The manufacturer "Kurgantsa" may be bankrupt

The financial recovery of the concern "Tractor Plants" (KTZ) will not help, the company needs to be bankrupt, reports TASS statement of the head of Rostec Sergey Chemezov.

I believe that it is imperative to bankrupt the enterprise, because no financial recovery will not help. The company is in an extremely difficult financial situation, there are huge debts,

said Chemezov.

He noted that Rostec would claim a part of the company's property, since Kurganmashzavod (part of KTZ) owes the corporation's enterprises about 17 billion rubles.

We will also claim some part of the property together with Vnesheconombank (VEB),

said the head of Rostec.

Earlier it was reported that VEB admitted the failure of the debt restructuring plan of the troubled concern Tractor Plants. It is expected that at the next meeting of its supervisory board, Rostec will raise the concern’s bankruptcy issue. KTZ financial debt already exceeds 85 billion rubles.

In turn, the newspaper "Vzglyad" recalls that "Tractor Plants" were responsible for the development of the promising project of the tracked platform "Kurganets-25" - one of the key armored vehicles of the Russian army in the future.

Thus, Chemezov, in fact, confirmed the problems with the production of the platform, which were announced in August by the former deputy chief engineer of Kurganmashzavod for serial production of the BMP Danil Relin. Then he explicitly stated that the project "Kurganets-25", the BMP on the basis of which was called the future of the Russian infantry, was unsuccessful.

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[corporal]

Eh Lavrenty Pavlovich, sometimes you are sorely missed.

[Per se]

You put it mildly now ...

[210ox]

One of the "sharks" of the business decided to grab a tidbit for free? And those who have done these debts should put it to the wall. Together with the living founders of this vicious system.

Quote: By itself

You put it mildly now ...

[Alf]

Quote: 210ox

And those who have done these debts, it’s time to put to the wall. Together with the living still the founders of this vicious system.

Then the Kremlin will be empty.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Alf

Then the Kremlin will be empty.

It seems that one and a half months of continuous work of the Cheka. Many will leave for a while, but the ice axes will finish the rest.

[Alf]

Quote: Stroporez

It seems that one and a half months of continuous work of the Cheka.

Overtime, without days off and holidays.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Alf

Overtime, without days off and holidays.

Yes, and we will connect!

[corporal]

Quote: By itself

You put it mildly now ...

Well Duc ̶г̶е̶с̶т̶а̶п̶о̶ moderators do not sleep.

[pjastolov]

Eh Lavrenty Pavlovich,

[SRC P-15]

The manufacturer "Kurgantsa" may be bankrupt

Here the key word is "can." And tomorrow news will come that Chemezov did not mean this, and he did not say such a thing!

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: pjastolov

Eh Lavrenty Pavlovich,

This is a figure who has "cut" a lot. With readiness. By the way, I didn’t reach the States. Limited to those who are closer.

[pjastolov]

This is a figure who has "cut" a lot. With readiness. By the way, I didn’t reach the States.

didn’t have time, the farmer prevented

[siberalt]

It is understandable that real production is not speculative banks. Bankrupt, of course!

[stolz]

Well, yes, but all kinds of firms and offices bloom and multiply, which are of no use. An example is the technopark in Skolkovo, under the leadership of Nemtsov.

[igor67]

Quote: Stolz

Well, yes, but all kinds of firms and offices bloom and multiply, which are of no use. An example is the technopark in Skolkovo, under the leadership of Nemtsov.

The president and one of the co-chairs of the Skolkovo Foundation Council is Viktor Vekselberg [68]. The second co-chairman of the board of the fund is the former head of Intel Craig Barrett. The co-chairs of the advisory scientific council are Jaures Alferov [69] and professor of structural biology at Stanford University, Nobel laureate Roger Kornberg. [43] [70]. The Board of Trustees of the Skolkovo Foundation is headed by Dmitry Medvedev.

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[Oden280]

So what? From the fact that one half is fleecy, and the other half are some kind of muddy foreigners, they ceased to be thieves and crooks?

[Sailor]

There’s nowhere to get away from you!

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Stolz

An example of this is the technopark in Skolkovo, under the leadership of Nemtsov.

Is he still in charge?

[Olfred]

Well, he gives valuable instructions "from below" ... along with Vedmed and others like them, they are engaged in spiritualism

[maiman61]

This strategic production is so nightmare! Can you imagine how microbusinesses are nightmares!

[Olfred]

Can you imagine how microbusinesses are nightmares!

Yes, it's still put it mildly! It’s all smooth on TV, they say, do everything for you, but in fact they’re blown away so that you don’t need this business

[rotmistr60]

that the Kurganets-25 project, on the basis of which the BMP was called the future of the Russian infantry, was unsuccessful.

Was the project unsuccessful, or are managers useless?

[210ox]

No, the top is cunning

Quote: rotmistr60

that the Kurganets-25 project, on the basis of which the BMP was called the future of the Russian infantry, was unsuccessful.

Was the project unsuccessful, or are managers useless?

[bouncyhunter]

Something I do not feel the joy of such news. I only suspect unclean competition with all the consequences ...

[kapitan92]

Quote: bouncyhunter

Something I do not feel the joy of such news. I only suspect unclean competition with all the consequences ...

Pasha, hello! This "news" appeared in August 2017.
“The Kurganets 25 project was unsuccessful, a new machine is needed, which means the technical task for its development. But it is unclear who should make it up,” the Kurgan and Kurgan newspaper quoted Relin as saying.

Failures in the development of this platform were previously reported. At the same time, it was originally planned that testing of equipment on the Kurganets 25 platform will be completed in 2016, and they will go into production in 2017-2018. Later, the dates were postponed, planning state tests for 2017. Back in February 2017, it was reported that for “Almaty” and “Kurganets” they began the development of “smart” ammunition.

We add that the military, who received a batch of BMPs on the Kurganets platform in 2015, indicated the high profile of the vehicle as a drawback. The height of its profile is approximately the same as that of its western counterparts, and the thickness of the armor is equal. However, the Russian military prefers low-profile vehicles, and this BMP is called the "grenade launcher's dream." Ostensibly, therefore, the deadlines for completing research and development (R&D) on the Kurganets 25 platform were shifted by a year.

https://vz.ru/news/2017/8/10/882253.html
The article is dated August 10.08, 2017.

[bouncyhunter]

Hello, Glory! The article cited by you confirms my doubts. And links to the "grenade launcher's dream" are like translating arrows. Someone intends to chop off this piece for themselves.

[kapitan92]

Quote: bouncyhunter

Someone intends to chop off this piece for themselves.

Pasha, read the link. There is very interesting information about the family business of Mr. Chemezov.
Material about UVZ, etc.
So I think you're right!
http://utronews.org/economics/rodstvenniki_chemez
ova_zarabotayut_na_uvz_U3s3_2017 /

[bouncyhunter]

Thanks for the link, Glory!

[shoemaker]

somewhere in the news flashed information about Rostec’s interest in selling UVZ. Although officials have denied this. However, by 2020, the rearmament program of the RF Armed Forces will be completed (?). After this, the state order will be significantly reduced, Putin recently spoke about this at one of his endless meetings. That is, the tank factory will not be profitable after 2020

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: shoemaker

information flashed about Rostec's interest in selling UVZ

Wow, how interesting !!!
And where did she “flash”?

Quote: shoemaker

somewhere in the news flashed

Ahhhh ... well, then it’s not so interesting ...
It’s customary to give links to "news" ... for educated people, at least.
And what you drew here is, you know ... it’s wagging on the water ...

[shoemaker]

http://www.rbc.ru/politics/24/05/2017/592322279a7
9473687950049 - here's a link for you. The words "looking for investors" in an article on UVZ means "selling a stake in UVZ, which is equivalent to selling a plant." Any further questions?

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: shoemaker

The words "looking for investors" in an article on UVZ means "selling a stake in UVZ, which is equivalent to selling a plant"

Mdya ... how everything is started.

Quote: shoemaker

More questions?

To you? Not anymore. Himself recently from a madhouse, talked already ... with the contingent

[shoemaker]

It was nice to talk. Good night!

[shoemaker]

by the way about corruption in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. In July 2017, Anatoly Eduardovich Serdyukov was elected Chairman of the Board of Directors of Rostvertol PJSC (part of Rostec)

[kapitan92]

Quote: shoemaker

That is, the tank factory will not be profitable after 2020

You forget about serious contracts UVZ with in. by customers.

[ProkletyiPirat]

Quote: kapitan92

Quote: shoemaker

That is, the tank factory will not be profitable after 2020

You forget about serious contracts UVZ with in. by customers.

Yes, he forgets everything, even about the fact that UVZ produces not only military products

[cariperpaint]

competition a priori cannot be fair. for there are no such criteria. there is only a law that cannot be violated.

[bouncyhunter]

You correctly noticed it, but I'm not talking about:

Quote: cariperpaint

there is only a law that cannot be violated.

For the sake of a fat piece, the laws are violated with enviable constancy and composure.

[cariperpaint]

not in this case. here everything was like in a banal movie, in 2008 during the crisis they took money and simply could not give it back. and bankruptcy is a legal formality to at least pull out a military unit from there.

[bouncyhunter]

Your arguments look quite logical, but do not forget what interests are involved there. So I remain of my opinion, but I add yours to it too.

[DenZ]

Quote: rotmistr60

Was the project unsuccessful, or are managers useless?

"Earlier it was reported that VEB recognized the failure of the debt restructuring plan of the problem concern" Tractor Plants "" and then in the article ““ We will also claim some of the property together with Vnesheconombank (VEB) ”
That is, VEB turns out to derail the financial recovery of the enterprise and now simply share it. Well this situation is beyond censorship already. In our country soon, not Americans and other enemies, but our liberal-minded bankers (usually there are no others at all) will destroy the defense industry. And everything will be according to the law and sewn-covered.

[cariperpaint]

Yes, why? in 2008, due to the crisis, this concern borrowed 15 yards of money from the state bank. I didn’t give up this debt to VEB and got there. since that time they have not crawled out of experience.

[SERGUS]

that the Kurganets-25 project, on the basis of which the BMP was called the future of the Russian infantry, was unsuccessful.

It seems to me that somewhere we are being deceived, before that we were proudly shown the “Kurganets-25” at the parades and said that this is our future and the best that is in the world ... And then suddenly the bankrupt plant and the car they don’t really ... All what is happening can be called in one word - CIRCUS.

[Gardamir]

before that we were proudly shown

I have already said more than once, they urge us to rejoice in the future, either they dream of laying a ship, or the drawings of a new bomber have begun. But in fact, everyone is happy about successes that were not there. As an example, joy in Armata, when it will prove itself then we can say we have a tank. In the meantime, there is a name.

[SERGUS]

Quote: Gardamir

But in fact, everyone is happy about successes that were not there. As an example, joy in Armata

That's for sure. And past the Almaty is another striking example of the PAK T-50 (Su-57), how many words were said on it, and that so many cars will be bought that year (and how many such phrases were said, only years and numbers each time others) and that it surpasses the F-22 and F-35 combined, but in fact the aircraft is still being tested, it is not even in trial operation in the army - and why all this chatter?

[senima56]

A plant producing popular products ..... and suddenly, bankrupt! Wonders!? And "wonderland!"

[Mih1974]

Yes, what are the "miracles", the standard raiding a la 90 . But apparently "this Foot, who needs a Foot" is "bankruptcy." We are sitting here in the “sandbox”, we’re not just not able to see the “disassembling of big boys”, but we don’t even have to bother - we just need to scuff our nerves and ruin our liver with “medicine”.

[Esoteric]

Quote: senima56

A plant producing popular products ..... and suddenly, bankrupt! Wonders!? And "wonderland!"

A country that ranks second in the world in terms of GDP ... and suddenly in ... hard pressure ... Can't you see what happens when “effective managers” take up the management? And, most importantly, sanctions are to blame for everything ...

[Scalpel]

Why not the first? Do you still live in the USSR? )))

[NikolaiN]

Even in the 90s, when the entire defense industry "strewed" KMZ survived, it delivered BMP-3s to the United Arab Emirates. And now bankrupt ...

[weksha50]

I don’t understand what’s going on in the defense industry? Who, how and why could allow SUCH ???
And why did Putin, who often exercises manual control, miss such things (including with UVZ) ???
I can quite admit a thought in the spirit of conspiracy thesis that they do not report to EMU, and slowly, dynamically, they are breaking down the main components and mechanisms of the defense ... I immediately remembered the falling rockets and much more ...

[Sharansky]

Yeah, again the bad boyars got caught. Well, so the kings are not lucky.

[Mih1974]

In fact, it often happens. First, the official pathologically cannot want to talk about problems !! Yes, you remember how the public meetings begin "everything is fine with us, everything is fine, it is necessary to grow, mowing - ears." The exception is Shoigu, whether he is "not an official" or an irrational, but ALWAYS on the video he says "there are problems, here and here, we will solve it this way and that", never smiles in silly joy !! The second is Putin (any president), first Man, and then President. Now, mentally try to imagine how much is happening in Russia and the world all the time? how much you need to study in order to highlight the Important and get enough information on this important to make a Decision (correct). And now try to combine all this for yourself. And do not forget that officials reporting to Putin are considered “responsible persons” and he should take their words as “trustworthy”! Otherwise - they must first be shot, then "talk". Add to this that lime substance is breaking through, but not decent people, and that’s what you want to do in the President’s place. You want to shoot them all at once, you want to - put up with the fact that they steal and try to "drive into the framework."

[Sharansky]

Quote: Mih1974

Now, mentally try to imagine how much is happening in Russia and the world all the time?

In other countries, for some reason, they cope and nothing prevents them. Neither climate, nor boyars, nor Shoigu with Putin. Analysts analyze, managers - manage, people - live, but do not exist.
And no one needs to control the country manually. Well, besides any crazy Eunov and other dictatorships.

[vadsonen]

I can quite admit a thought in the spirit of conspiracy thesis that they don’t report to him,

Yeah, the labeled Judas didn’t know anything, they didn’t report anything to him, and meanwhile the country fell apart.

[kapitan92]

Quote: weksha50

And why did Putin, who often exercises manual control, miss such things (including with UVZ) ???

The guarantor is not the snake Gorynych. I think he has enough problems.
Otkritie Bank reorganization in the amount of 546 billion rubles, Bin-Bank reorganization in the amount of 346 billion rubles. The press on 1 trill is included. ruble "Wim Avia" according to estimates of hundreds of mil. ruble
The problem in a corrupt government led by a "dimon", by the way, seems to me that he is "kvas" no worse than a bucket, judging by the physics.

Quote: weksha50

I can quite admit a thought in the spirit of conspiracy thesis that they do not report to EMU, and slowly, dynamically, they are breaking down the main components and mechanisms of the defense ..

Perhaps preparing a "drain" of the cabinet, headed by his "friend." The election however! You can’t feed the people with "exaggerated" numbers and propaganda! Something like this.

[DenZ]

Quote: kapitan92

Otkritie Bank reorganization in the amount of 546 billion rubles, Bin-Bank reorganization in the amount of 346 billion rubles. The press on 1 trill is included. ruble "Wim Avia" according to estimates of hundreds of mil. ruble

That’s what I don’t understand yesterday when the Minister of Transport of GDP publicly reported that he said that "Vim-avia pier met all the standards." Putin said “what are these norms if such situations happen” Then why doesn’t he say to the Central Bank - “What kind of norms do you have, that you are essentially destroying the country's banking system by bankrupting banks for not being able to fulfill the requirements of the Central Bank? such?"
I think this is pure arbitrariness of the Central Bank in order to leave "their own" in the banking market. Why is Putin again silent and cannot even say a word against the Central Bank ?.

[kapitan92]

Quote: DenZ

I think this is pure arbitrariness of the Central Bank in order to leave "their own" in the banking market. Why is Putin again silent and cannot even say a word against the Central Bank ?.

The Central Bank of the Russian Federation (Bank of Russia) - the main bank of the first level, the main issuing, monetary institution of the Russian Federation, developing and implementing in cooperation with the Government of the Russian Federation a unified state monetary policy and endowed with special powers, in particular, the right to issue banknotes and regulation of banks.
I think answered your question.

[DenZ]

Quote: kapitan92

I think answered your question

Not completely. In its decisions, the CBR is obliged to adhere to the recommendations of the IMF
In accordance with the Constitution of the Russian Federation (Article 15, paragraph 4), the Law on the Central Bank (Federal Law No. 86) and the Resolution of the Plenum of the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation (No. 5 dated October 10, 2003), the Central Bank of Russia is obliged to comply with the instructions of the International Monetary Fund (IMF ) and actually turned into a branch of the US Federal Reserve System (FRS).
 
To carry out practical management at the Central Bank, under the guise of consulting companies, American companies operate - Price Waterhouse Coopers and Oliver Wyman.
 And further http://www.dnevniki.ykt.ru/VladimirDegt/1034652
Read. It is interesting

[kapitan92]

Interesting. Thank.

[Esoteric]

Quote: kapitan92

The guarantor is not the snake Gorynych. I think he has enough problems.

Yes, he’s not even Koschey the immortal ... He has one problem: either he is with the people and to complete victory, or he with his flattering surroundings (often non-executive and incompetent) and to a well-deserved retirement ...
Did his eyes oily him? He does not see who is capable of what? Took to be a guarantor, like this:

And then the impression was that on the one hand, with all the fibers of his soul, he hated Soviet power all his life, which gave him education, office, family and children, and longed for capitalist peace, and on the other hand, in the ranks of the Immortal Regiment. Would he ask his conscience, would his father approve of building a society where the leadership cannot get rid of mediocrity and thieves, or would he applaud a genius?

[weksha50]

Quote: Esoteric

And then the impression was that he, on the one hand, with all the fibers of his soul, had hated Soviet power all his life, which had given him education, office, family and children, and longed for capitalist peace, and on the other hand in the ranks of the "Immortal Regiment"

Are you talking about whom ??? Openly it was in THIS that Mikhail Gorbachev admitted ....

And about: "Did his eyes oily him? He does not see who is capable of what? Took to be a guarantor ... "...

Hmm ... Absolutely not specifically defending Putin, I ask you a question: Have you ever led a large team or a large enterprise ???
If so, then I don’t understand how YOU don’t see that without reliable, truthful information from subordinates to the leader it is difficult to make the right decision ... Especially on such a scale as a huge country ...
We are all talking about order and high economy in some Austria_Germany_France_Sweden-Netherlands, etc ...
And what are they compared to Russia, and even more so with the former USSR?
In the best case - across the territory - the region is not the largest ... Naturally, it is easier to manage in such spaces ...
Still, blaming, you need to be objective ...
And about the boyars, you didn’t knowingly vain, you just wanted Putin, but it turned out, in general, in the case ...
The same boyar-officials how much harm did the kings — Ivan the Terrible, Peter the Great and others — and, naturally, Russia ... This boyar tribe is indestructible, it only accepts modern colors, mimics ... And with no dust and napalm him you will not take ...

[Foundling]

I’m laughing nimagu! The boyars are worthless. But Putin has to endure them and wipe them! Only in Austria Germany, etc. top officials do not live so luxuriously, while the economy of these countries is a hundred times better than the helm. And our officials have such tricks that billions are stolen openly and the Guarantor doesn’t notice the type. So who is the ultimate recipient of these billions? Chemezov? Or the guarantor himself?

[rpek32]

turned out to be unsuccessful.

and what is the failure - no one knows? friend is just interested

[Großer feldherr]

https://topwar.ru/122250-proekt-kurganec-25-okaza
lsya-neudachnym.html
everything is blurry, but there is no more complete information on the topic

[rpek32]

a friend says, "thank you too"

[gukoyan]

That damn thing was originally clear that the car was unsuccessful, a garbage can with a gun, that it was launched into the series ...
Looking at their Bradley from amers, a tall silhouette is a huge minus, as the BMP itself can take part in hostilities.
We conclude the car is an excellent target.

[Per se.]

It's not even the case that the Kurganets, like the T-15, has huge dimensions, even larger than those of the Bradley and the Warrior ... It is not clear how such “platforms” that are not accepted for service, those who did not pass the entire test cycle, were quick to assign these same platforms in advance, spending money not only on their production for the Victory parade in 2015, but also on developing other equipment on a raw base. Generally, to hell with it, "Kurgants", but there is a wonderful BMP-3, which the company does, there is such a thing as NATIONAL SECURITY, which directly depends on the enterprises of the military-industrial complex. Bankrupt already Omsk Tank Plant, after putting a cross, as a T-80U M-1 "Leopard", and on the object 640 ("Black Eagle"). As for the dark history of T-95 (object 195) from UVZ, then, on April 7 of 2010, Mr. Popovkin, who was then the deputy of Anatoly Serdyukov and the chief of armament, announced the termination of financing the development of the T-95 tank and the closure of the project. According to him, the project of the machine is "morally obsolete." To all, the tank was called too expensive and difficult for "conscripts." It is with that. that the tank has already passed the State tests ... New leadership came to UVZ, and, voila, you say, T-95 is "expensive and difficult for conscripts", you already whole Armat’s "platform", where T-95 was disfigured by crossing with BMP ( tank T-14 and BMP T-15), depriving the tank 152 mm guns (for which everything was originally started in the project) and 30 mm auxiliary, spent 64 billion, almost 5 years on it, in order to rivet not the XIVUMX Victory adopted equipment on raw base. If T-2015 cost about 95 million, because of the novelty of the project, the wide use of titanium, then T-450 in “cheaper” and simplified form began to cost “only” 14 million (and already, definitely, was not for conscripts), not having special combat advantages over modernized T-400. That's how we burzhuiny "work." It was a pity for a promising tank, for a gamble with a “golden platform,” it wasn’t a pity for money, when making statements to scrape all T-90 reserves and, directly, re-equip the army with expensive and complicated equipment that wasn’t finished yet. No one is against progress, it is foolish to deny the need for a new one, but what is happening is different. as stupidity or betrayal is not perceived. They made a bourgeois feeder out of the army and the defense industry, and this is obviously the main reason ...

[VIX34]

Do not worry gentlemen ... There is a "consolidation" of all assets in one ✋ before the start of the new GPV. As they say, strangers do not go here.

[Berber]

Hopefully you're right.

[Bronevick]

Not long ago, this would be called a raider seizure.

[cariperpaint]

what is the capture? normal))) the concern took 15 yards. did not give. why should he flourish then?

[Bronevick]

That is, the plant didn’t produce or sell anything? Why then took the money?

[cariperpaint]

produced and sold. just could not get out of the pit. This happens.

[Großer feldherr]

Something still produced, but in a market economy this is not enough, profitability is also needed.
Kurganmash is not the only one, it is a common problem for the entire domestic defense industry, the same UVZ is always on the verge of bankruptcy, but weapons are sold cheaply.

[Bronevick]

Well, if it is expensive, no one will buy it. It’s just that countries need weapons that provide security guarantees.

[Sharansky]

and people need a decent salary to produce no shit.

[Roma 1977]

Salaries are the last thing you need so you don’t produce shit. Moreover: salaries are precisely the result when people do not produce shit, and not vice versa (which we see, for example, with the example of the Russian football team, which is not offended by salaries, but is not able to give out a product adequate to the money spent) .

[Sharansky]

There is such a purely Russian proverb: How they pay - so I work.
If a worker receives 20 thousand rubles, it is difficult to expect from him some sort of labor feats, besides daily drinking.

[Roma 1977]

This is the wrong saying. Footballers of the national team work poorly, which refutes this popular wisdom.

[Sharansky]

The people in Russia also go wrong lives. He doesn’t want to work hard on the master for a penny. Well it is necessary.
So you tell him that you can only eat spiritual food and work for the good of the people of Syria or Africa for free. Only damned imperialists in the decaying West work for money.

Quote: Roma-1977

Moreover: salaries are the result when people produce no shit

Quote: Roma-1977

National team footballers do not work well

You already decide, and it looks like a split personality. If salary is a consequence of the result, then they work well. And if everything as I said, then their result does not correspond to the salary. The question is, what result will football players worth 20 thousand rubles a month (a regional team for example) show at games of this level.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Sharansky

If a worker receives 20 thousand rubles, it is difficult to expect from him some sort of labor feats, besides daily drinking.

I wonder how much you get? Do you perform a labor feat every day? Get fucked up. Tell us about the exploits. Labor.

[Sharansky]

Eco bombing. Start with yourself again.

[NEXUS]

Then he bluntly stated that the Kurganets-25 project, on the basis of which the BMP was called the future of the Russian infantry, was unsuccessful.

What a fright? Financiers chemist something and this is even more alarming because this affects the country's defense and rearmament. I think the prosecutor's office and the FSB should deal with this issue and find out where the legs grow from.

[Berber]

If there are legs like Serdyukov, then a dead number - they will not find the ends.

[DenZ]

Well, yes, we have "not the 37th year" (to look for the ends). It’s just that grandmas decide everything again.

[Clone]

Barking ...
- How can you characterize the situation?
- Can I use obscenities?
- No!
- Then everything is fine...
There is money for “fireworks and salutes,” but there is no money for defense ... and there would only be “Kurganets”.

[Tuzik]

Well, bankruptcy is still that loophole from withdrawal of payment of obligations, maybe in this way they throw someone, do something they do not dismantle for bricks? I think the workshops for the production of military equipment will be left to Rostec for debts, and some kind of non-liquid will be left at the mercy of outside creditors, as they say, they will throw off the husks.

[Altona]

Bolotin at one time found everything he could. He has a tractor factory in Belgium, for example. In Kanash, he "rented" a car repair plant from Russian Railways, made a USGS car building workshop on its territory and named it "Promtractor Wagon", and broke down the old workshops. In Cheboksary, he owns the "Promtractor" and the aggregate. Why is he combing it all for himself?

[anjey]

oh, these financial bigwigs, you can’t figure it out without a gun ....

[Bronevick]

Just Rostec has not yet absorbed all.

[Esoteric]

Quote: Bronevick

Just Rostec has not yet absorbed all.

In addition to Rostec, in Russia there are a great many Rosech ... well, which are different, everyones go here and there ...

[Kotofeich]

Quote: kapitan92

Quote: weksha50

And why did Putin, who often exercises manual control, miss such things (including with UVZ) ???

The guarantor is not the snake Gorynych. I think he has enough problems.
Otkritie Bank reorganization in the amount of 546 billion rubles, Bin-Bank reorganization in the amount of 346 billion rubles. The press on 1 trill is included. ruble "Wim Avia" according to estimates of hundreds of mil. ruble
The problem in a corrupt government led by a "dimon", by the way, seems to me that he is "kvas" no worse than a bucket, judging by the physics.

Quote: weksha50

I can quite admit a thought in the spirit of conspiracy thesis that they do not report to EMU, and slowly, dynamically, they are breaking down the main components and mechanisms of the defense ..

Perhaps preparing a "drain" of the cabinet, headed by his "friend." The election however! You can’t feed the people with "exaggerated" numbers and propaganda! Something like this.

“During yesterday’s meeting with members of the government, Vladimir Putin expressed dissatisfaction with the situation with VIM-Avia. The President announced to the head of the Ministry of Transport Maxim Sokolov about incomplete official compliance, and said to overseeing Deputy Prime Minister Arkady Dvorkovich that he does not pay enough attention to the transport industry. Kommersant’s sources do not exclude that criticism of the head of state “clearly indicates the inevitability of the upcoming reshuffles.” https: //www.kommersant.ru/doc/34231
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[LOSTINLOVEization]

Kurganets a huge soap bubble for people hawala ... And the armata also looks like no other.

[Engineer]

overflows TASS statement by the head of Rostec Sergey Chemezov

How well said that. Well, the liberal part of the ruling elite has been trying to cut the budget of the Moscow region for a long time, it doesn’t work, they decided to go from the other side - to bankrupt, ruin, take away defense enterprises. Saints 90s in all its glory. I have the same question as from a straight line to the present: why aren't our prime minister and his gang still sitting? But as in a straight line, they will not notice him.

[rumatam]

Rostec will claim part of the company's ownership, together with Vnesheconombank (VEB and everything is immediately clear PILYAT, raiders.

[tchoni]

Yes, in the course of the Kurgan flies flies. Regarding the platform itself, I initially expressed an opinion about its uselessness. Apparently, it is being confirmed. Judge for yourselves: a tracked platform of a light weight that does not have either heavy heavy armored vehicle protection or wheeled infantry fighting vehicle mobility (a boomerang is close in security and firepower, but is much more mobile). The most annoying thing is that the factory workers have no fault in this fiasco. The customer is guilty, who issued awkward TK and promised billions of orders, under which he secured a loan factory. The loans that are now pulling it to the bottom ....

[shoemaker]

Those who are interested in the topic will find an article in the Kommersant newspaper for 2008. Just before the crisis in America, and on the eve of the IPO concern Tractor Plants on the Frankfurt Stock Exchange, and before this loan. The loan was taken by the concern from VEB on the security of the Kurganmashzavod, and the concern turned this money as it wanted. And when it was time for reckoning, the concern said, "Take the plant, it is unnecessary for us." But the trouble is that bankers do not know how to steer factories. It was decided to hire a management company ... the same concern, it has been a long time since 2010, the management company has brought the plant to technical bankruptcy. Suppliers of components filed a lawsuit to declare the plant bankrupt. On September 15, at a meeting of shareholders of OJSC Kurganmashzavod, it was decided to elect a board of directors of OJSC Kurganmashzavod in the amount of 9 people. Only two of them are representatives of the owner, Tractor Plants concern, chairman of the KTZ board of directors Mikhail Bolotin and general director of the holding Albert Bakov. That is, Bakov and Bolotin will again steer, although twice brought the plant to bankruptcy. But finally, about Putin’s attitude to this plant. On his last visit to the city of Kurgan, Mr. Putin visited several enterprises of the city, but drove past KMZ. Well, this enterprise is not interesting to him, from the word at all. PS Today, KMZ operates and ships BMP to the troops. A full article g.

[Gardamir]

The financial recovery of the Tractor Plants (KTZ) concern will not help, the company needs to be bankrupt

and right there

Rostec will claim part of the company's ownership, since Kurganmashzavod (part of KTZ) owes about 17 billion rubles to the enterprises of the corporation.

here it is a real tricky move, go bankrupt and raise money on this.
I am especially surprised by the indignation on the site, but you are all creamers, polymers and liberalists. As you do not understand that this is a cunning plan, it is not the time and officials are not reporting.
And the latest news, Himself, is not an interpreter of any kind, but Sam himself stated that Russian investors are interested in investing in New Guinea. You rated the scope! Miklouho-Maclay also dreamed of New Guinea. and now New Guinea is ours

[Alexey-74]

How long will this mess go on? Is it not the owners in their homeland? A plant executing a state order goes bankrupt to go nuts, so you can bankrupt all of Russia, and then what?

[ALEA IACTA EST]

The sword for the nation must be forged by the nation itself. Incomprehensible companies, corporations, and other concerns should not be allowed into such matters.

[razved]

Corruption and other bad things in the defense industry should be equated in treason and punished sooo strictly.

[Doliva63]

Quote: Per se.

They made a feeder for the bourgeoisie from the army and the defense, and this, obviously, is the main reason ...

From across the country, a feeder was made for the elite, not only from the defense industry.

[Roma 1977]

Karoch, did not have exactly the amount that was spent on Rusnano. However, this has long been clear to everyone.

[Mordvin 3]

Sharansky,
Yes Easy. I am a locksmith. I work as a handyman. And the Swiss and the reaper ... I get less than 20 thousand