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Hatred of Russians towards Gorbachev in the West is considered a “mystery”

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A review of the biography of Mikhail Gorbachev. The review is accompanied by a quote from a review of Gorbachev’s long-standing memoirs. It turns out that in the West they are perplexed by the hostility in Russia towards Gorbachev. After all, Mikhail Sergeevich led the planet away from the nuclear abyss, freed its people from fear and gave freedom to Eastern Europe!




Famous publicist, author of books on American foreign policy and CIA activities, William Blum in "The Counter Punch" spoke about the ongoing cold war, and cited the review of the new biography of Mikhail Gorbachev in the New York Times Book Review (September New York Times) as an example of misunderstanding by the West of Russia.

This review notes that Gorbachev "was not a hero for his people" because he was "the destroyer of his empire." The New York Times simply avoids saying anything positive about life in the Soviet Union and about socialism! Do observers believe that the Russian people were upset by the loss of Czechoslovakia or Hungary? Blum recalls that Gorbachev, who organized the “perestroika”, plunged his people into the abyss of collapse: living standards plummeted, problems with employment, medical care, education, and many other aspects of the “welfare state” began.

Moreover, the new review is accompanied by a quote from a review of Gorbachev’s own memoirs (1996). That review said: “In the West, it is considered mysticism that Mikhail Gorbachev is hated and ridiculed in his own country. This is the man who took the world a few steps back from the nuclear abyss and freed his compatriots from suffocating fear, a man who ended the bloody foreign adventures, freeing Eastern Europe ... But one can hardly imagine a more complete renunciation of his own people. His attempt at a political return in June attracted the attention of less than one percent of the vote. ”

Thus, Gorbachev’s unpopularity among his people is simply viewed by observers as “secret”, the content of which is not amenable to analysis, and therefore is defined as something mystical. We note that experts and journalists in the West often forget a simple fact: many people in Russia still consider the USSR to be a country of peace, progress, happy childhood and multiethnic fraternity. These same people accuse Gorbachev, who is largely focused on the United States, of betraying the interests of the Motherland and the collapse of the Union.

Gorbachev himself does not believe that he played a role in the collapse of the USSR.

“The collapse of the Soviet Union was perpetrated, guided by personal ambitions and a thirst for power, by the participants of the Belovezhsk agreements. This is above all the then leadership of Russia, ”he said in recent interview. And again: “I categorically affirm that the collapse of the Soviet Union did not occur as a result of the development of perestroika in the country. It would be big to think so historical a mistake. "

Apparently, all the Russians, who did not give Gorbachev even one percent in due time, made a big mistake.

Observed and commented on Oleg Chuvakin
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  1. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 28 September 2017 08: 48
    +83
    in the West, puzzled by the hostility in Russia to Gorbachev.
    - It's still put it mildly! Hatred - this is closer to the truth!
    1. Vend
      Vend 28 September 2017 08: 50
      +41
      Mikhail Sergeyevich took the planet away from the nuclear abyss, freed his people from fear and gave freedom to Eastern Europe!
      This could have been done without destroying and humiliating the country.
      1. Logall
        Logall 28 September 2017 08: 53
        +44
        Gorbachev's hatred is a mystery! And to America, a glaring misunderstanding?
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana 28 September 2017 09: 03
          +48
          However, despite the hatred and contempt of the ordinary people of Russia for Gorbach, the current Russian authorities will bury Mishka in Russian land with great honors: under the guards of the military guard, with elegant commemoration - and all at the national expense!
          And then the time will come when the people will dig out the traitor Gorbachev from Russian soil and let his ashes go into the wind. He deserves it from the people!
          1. Logall
            Logall 28 September 2017 09: 07
            +24
            Tatyana, you, as always in the Top Ten ...
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 28 September 2017 09: 39
              +13
              Good afternoon, Sasha! Honestly, you pamper me! I’m right with you fellow in the flowers! So I feel their delicate aroma! And where did you find such BEAUTY with my name from! Fantastic!

              You know, I personally saw Gorbachev close - a meter away from me - at an exhibition dedicated to some anniversary (I think 10 years) of the death of Raisa Maximovna Gorbacheva. He struck me with his appearance. Tall, in good physical shape, in a black immaculate suit and snow-white shirt. And on a black suit not a single dandruff! Gorbachev’s speech itself and its manner of holding on — the demagogue and artist, were unsurpassed!
              The people, of course, gathered at the exhibition not only because of the memory of R.M. Gorbachev, but some citizens also wanted to culturally ask Gorbachev himself explicitly unpleasant questions. So, Gorbachev did not have time to finish his speech and the people did not have time to ask at least one question, when Misha immediately left the room, closing the door behind him, and two strong men in civilian fenced the doors of the public. For some, their jaws fell off in surprise. The people just gasped!
              By the way, the audience was allowed to go on paid tickets, and even then not everyone. They asked at the entrance how a person relates to Gorbachev. If loyal, then missed. I went from the scientific community.
              1. Barbulator
                Barbulator 28 September 2017 09: 48
                +3
                Quote: Tatiana
                in a black immaculate suit and snow-white shirt

                The light turns on and I go out in a snow-white suit ... Almost everyone knows the rest.
                1. Shurik70
                  Shurik70 28 September 2017 12: 30
                  +11
                  Quote: Tatiana
                  authorities will bury Mishka in Russian soil

                  There must be a place to go spit
              2. oldseaman1957
                oldseaman1957 28 September 2017 09: 51
                +2
                Apparently, all the Russians who did not give Gorbachev even one percent at one time were very mistaken ...
                - Amnuel, Sytin, Kasparov, Yabloko crowd and other evil spirits could not be mistaken ...
              3. alatanas
                alatanas 28 September 2017 10: 03
                +3
                And on a black suit not a single dandruff!

                lol laughing laughing
                And the hair is intellectually styled and out of it with a brilliant mind and rushing!
              4. mat-vey
                mat-vey 28 September 2017 10: 14
                +4
                Quote: Tatiana
                when Misha immediately left the room, closing the door behind him, and two strong men in civilian fenced the doors of the public. For some, their jaws fell off in surprise. The people just gasped!

                So all the same, "the cat knows whose meat has eaten" ..
                1. Tatyana
                  Tatyana 28 September 2017 23: 20
                  +3
                  mat-vey
                  So all the same, "the cat knows whose meat has eaten" ..
                  That's all salt, Matvey, that Gorbachev knows exactly how “a cat whose meat she ate”, only in his speeches he pretends to be innocently naive without shame and conscience!
                  One word - "Tagged"!
              5. the monastery
                the monastery 28 September 2017 21: 52
                +1
                Tanechka, the whole vast country, until the end of your life, would have bombarded you with flowers every day IF YOU HAVE BEEN A METER PUSHED FROM IT ON THE LIFTING HOOK!
                1. Tatyana
                  Tatyana 28 September 2017 23: 45
                  +1
                  Honestly, when I stood so close to Gorbachev, I had a fear that someone from the audience would suddenly shoot him, and I would also be fired upon. But for some reason I didn’t even budge.
                  I looked around the audience. In the hall there were mostly only women. There were very few men. Three of the men were apparently security guards. During the performance, two of them stood in the hall on either side of the doors, and when Gorbachev came out they immediately “closed ranks”, blocking with their bodies the door to the exit for visitors. The third, in my opinion, stood very close to Gorbachev next to me.
                  No, nobody was going to kill Gorbachev. No wonder the tickets were distributed accountable to organizations. Yes, and many years have passed by then - and "a lot of water has flowed."
              6. mig.vlad2015
                mig.vlad2015 29 September 2017 10: 49
                0
                Well, where did the dandruff come from on his bald skull? He has it inside his skull.
          2. krops777
            krops777 28 September 2017 09: 12
            +5
            the Russian authorities will bury Mishka in Russian soil with great honors: under the guards of a military guard, with smart commemoration - and all at the national expense!


            Not at first the funeral service in the Cathedral of Christ the Savior. laughing and then everything else.
            1. pjastolov
              pjastolov 28 September 2017 10: 43
              +19
              Not at first the funeral service in the Cathedral of Christ the Savior.
              have to wait a long time
          3. enot73
            enot73 28 September 2017 09: 15
            +20
            Quote: Tatiana
            And then the time will come when the people will dig out the traitor Gorbachev from Russian soil and let his ashes go into the wind. He deserves it from the people!

            at least the monument to another traitor constantly has to be washed
            1. AUL
              AUL 28 September 2017 10: 40
              +9
              There was Stalin - and everyone applauded him.
              Khrushchev came, crap Stalin, and everyone applauded him.
              Brezhnev came, crap Khrushchev, and everyone applauded him.
              Gorbachev came, crap Brezhnev, and everyone applauded him.
              Yeltsin came, crap Gorbachev, and everyone applauded him.
              Putin came, crap Yeltsin, and everyone applauded him.
              X will come and the story will repeat. And why would she change?
              So we don’t have enough paint for all the monuments!
              1. mat-vey
                mat-vey 28 September 2017 11: 01
                +16
                Quote: AUL
                Putin came, crap Yeltsin, and everyone applauded him.

                When is this? Are you talking about the Yeltsin Center?
              2. viktorR
                viktorR 28 September 2017 11: 13
                +16
                Putin came, crap Yeltsin, and everyone applauded him.
                Are you confusing anything? Can I link to Putin’s words about Yeltsin in a negative way?
                Before you blurt out your tongue you would become familiar with the subject:
                1. AUL
                  AUL 28 September 2017 11: 25
                  +4
                  Have you ever heard of corporate solidarity? “Is it like that, the tsar is a dog ?!” (Ivan Vasilievich changes his profession) And you really think that without tacit support “from above” such an attitude of society towards EBN (by the way, it’s quite well-deserved) would last long? Would have smoothed, washed, jammed ... And so - like, now compare yourself, how it was all bad, and how it all got hurt!
                  Before you blurt out your tongue you would become familiar with the subject:

                  And then I am familiar with the subject. I’ve been living for a long time, I saw a lot of these objects, and I think with my own head, and not with quotes from the durovisor.
              3. weksha50
                weksha50 28 September 2017 13: 35
                +8
                Quote: AUL
                Putin came, crap Yeltsin, and everyone applauded him.



                Ahem ... Let me ask: when did Putin do this ??? request No.
              4. mig.vlad2015
                mig.vlad2015 29 September 2017 10: 51
                +2
                Aul he and in Africa aul.
            2. alexleony
              alexleony 28 September 2017 12: 17
              +14
              The monument is blue and should be blue. No need to launder.
            3. Yuyuka
              Yuyuka 28 September 2017 13: 22
              +6
              Quote: enot73
              Quote: Tatiana
              And then the time will come when the people will dig out the traitor Gorbachev from Russian soil and let his ashes go into the wind. He deserves it from the people!

              at least the monument to another traitor constantly has to be washed


              come on when people! but when the birds !!! I didn’t believe it, but several sources confirm -

              Last weekend, the Yeltsin Center was attacked by crows. For reasons that are still unclear, the birds went on to bombard the building, throwing stones from a flight altitude onto the glass roof of the atrium and museum of the first president of Russia. As a result of the aggression, several glasses are now broken in the presidential center. The head of the press service of the Yeltsin Center, Elena Volkova, told 66.RU that so far the experts have not yet calculated the amount of damage. The matter is complicated by the fact that the glass of the atrium and the museum have a curved shape, and not every company is ready to make them. The Yeltsin Center promises that in any case, all repairs will be completed before the end of this week, and the process itself will not affect visitors.

              Source: http://politikus.ru/v-rossii/99623-vorony-zabrosa
              li-kamnyami-elcin-centr.html
              Politikus.ru
            4. MaksoMelan
              MaksoMelan 29 September 2017 11: 13
              +2
              It is necessary at Yeltsin’s center to arrange a rampage as spontaneous markets in 90. And bring there what is left of 90. Plus all sorts of statements, who earned how much or who died of what died
          4. 210ox
            210ox 28 September 2017 09: 18
            +9
            Yes, and they’ll also build a Gorbachev center. There’s a lot to spit! I’d add. An incomprehensible manner for ordinary citizens to hold power to exalt the characters who brought the country to a pen. Example-EBN, Sakharov ... Makarevich will die and he will erect a “miraculous monument” to him. Ugh on them.
            Quote: Tatiana
            However, despite the hatred and contempt of the ordinary people of Russia for Gorbach, the current Russian authorities will bury Mishka in Russian land with great honors: under the guards of the military guard, with elegant commemoration - and all at the national expense!
            And then the time will come when the people will dig out the traitor Gorbachev from Russian soil and let his ashes go into the wind. He deserves it from the people!
            1. Alex Justice
              Alex Justice 28 September 2017 15: 21
              0
              K Sakharov what claims?
              1. Pancir026
                Pancir026 28 September 2017 15: 27
                +17
                Quote: Alex Justice
                K Sakharov what claims?

                Brain disabled person after 1975 and exposure to Russophobian radiation by Bonner.
                Sakharov will often swear by the name of morality and appeal to the commandment: "Thou shalt not kill." But he will write in 1973 a welcome letter to General Pinochet, calling the coup and execution he committed the beginning of an era of happiness and prosperity in Chile. The academician always believed that people have the right to life, freedom and happiness.
                His human rights followers do not like to remember this. Just as they deny in every possible way, at the end of the 70s, he wrote a letter to the US President urging to inflict — in order to enforce respect for “human rights” in the USSR — a preventive, awesome nuclear strike.
                In 1979, he will publish a letter condemning the introduction of Soviet troops into Afghanistan on the pages of leading Western publications. Prior to that, he had not published such letters condemning the American war in Vietnam or the Middle East wars of Israel. And he will not condemn either the war of England and Argentina over the Falkland Islands, or the American invasion of Granada or Panama.

                As a true intellectual and humanist, he knew how to condemn only his country. Obviously, believing that the condemnation of other countries is the business of their intellectuals and humanists.
                1. sharp-lad
                  sharp-lad 28 September 2017 20: 22
                  +6
                  Chile under General Pinochet really rose from the mud, both economic and liberal.
          5. NEXUS
            NEXUS 28 September 2017 09: 26
            +23
            Quote: Tatiana
            However, despite the hatred and contempt of the ordinary people of Russia for Gorbach,

            This is contempt and hatred among the peoples of all 15 republics not only for Gorbachev, but also for EBN. Burn these geeks in hell for what they have done with a great country.
            RE-CHANGE
            By moving the desks together for convenience,
            Two "educational and creative muses"
            Laid out a colorful card
            Former Soviet Union.
            Youth strives for innovation,
            And giving birth to new habits,
            Full of geek ideas
            Cuts a card with a brisk apprentice.
            Everything flies at the speed limit
            Living like an old man is no reason today!
            Each republic separately
            With jokes glued to the cardboard.
            Proud, great power
            That got stronger hundreds of years in a row
            Mercilessly cut the scissors
            And - goodbye to greatness and glory!
            From past discussions and tribulations
            There wasn’t even a semblance:
            There will be a new allowance at school -
            "Maps of foreign states."
            And, doing a terrible "work",
            Since the time of Khmelnitsky for the first time
            Scissors
            And run, ruthlessly run
            Between Ukraine and Russia.
            A sunset burst out from behind a cloud
            It became a bright pink wall.
            And from the wall of the classics look:
            Gogol, Pushkin. Chekhov and Shevchenko.
            The ray disappeared and reappeared.
            The crimson began to pour light.
            It suddenly seemed like blood
            Dropped from the card to the floor ...
            Thunderstorms rumble somewhere
            The wind rustles chilly in the branches
            And shine in the eyes of the classics
            Quietly wrapped tears ...
            17 February 1992 city
            Moscow
            Edward Asadov.
          6. killganoff
            killganoff 28 September 2017 09: 34
            +5
            However, despite the hatred and contempt of the ordinary people of Russia for Gorbach, the current Russian authorities will bury Mishka in Russian land with great honors: under the guards of the military guard, with elegant commemoration - and all at the national expense!

            Put me on this celebration nachkar and let me staff it. Volley will be on the participants of the ceremony.
          7. To be or not to be
            To be or not to be 28 September 2017 09: 52
            +21
            Who would doubt that
            all in orders and medals from the grateful
            1. BMP-2
              BMP-2 28 September 2017 12: 48
              +4
              And it looks like he still hasn’t understood what he’s done ... But does he accidentally have no orders for being unlearned?
          8. polev66
            polev66 28 September 2017 10: 25
            +4
            I’m afraid the people will go and dump buckets of dung on the grave of the spotted ... and no government can stop it ... rather, the bear will die in Europe and there it will be buried like a faithful dog away from sin
          9. Esoteric
            Esoteric 28 September 2017 10: 49
            +5
            Quote: Tatiana
            And then the time will come when the people will dig out the traitor Gorbachev from Russian soil and let his ashes go into the wind. He deserves it from the people!

            Danuna ... The people forget their executioners, as they forgot and offered to the saints of bloody Nicholas II. And this ... In comparison with EBN, this uncle is a European god dandelion. It was not with him that the public property and the assets of the USSR and the CPSU were taken. He did not cast the unsinkable corps of oligarchs. He did not organize the adoption of an externally imposed constitution with very “correct” concepts of justice and welfare for all (who succeeded). Something I do not see running around the grave of EBN, and no one comes to the Yekaterinburg house in memory of EBN creativity on a tank.
            And Gorbachev is the most common henpecked ... Third ... Raikin husband ...
            1. albert
              albert 28 September 2017 18: 45
              +5
              Quote: Esoteric
              . The people forgets their executioners, as they forgot and offered to the saints of the bloody Nicholas II.

              Do not confuse members of the Gundyaevskaya organized criminal group with the people.
            2. a housewife
              a housewife 22 March 2018 13: 41
              0
              Nicholas the Bloody. Is that why so? The organizers did not think that, due to souvenirs, the people would pass each other during the coronation. And why not a bloody Stalin? Not repression, not yet something. His funeral alone was so bloody that no Nikolai could ever dream of!
          10. Warrior with machine gun
            Warrior with machine gun 28 September 2017 11: 24
            +5
            good day, interestingly, but extras for this event will be collected on a voluntary basis?))
          11. weksha50
            weksha50 28 September 2017 13: 29
            +5
            Quote: Tatiana
            the current Russian authorities will bury Mishka in Russian soil with great honors: under the guards of the military guard, with elegant commemoration


            According to the status of a knight of the highest order of the country - Andrei the First-Called, who had given him DAM at the time ... For services ... I probably didn’t have time to hand over the Hero of Russia - it was time to give the chair, guarded to the owner, to give ...
          12. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 28 September 2017 14: 00
            +4
            Quote: Tatiana
            the current Russian authorities will bury Mishka in Russian soil with great honors: under the guards of the military guard, with smart commemoration - and all at the national expense!

            And now it is also supported by public money.
          13. SERGUS
            SERGUS 28 September 2017 15: 41
            +2
            Quote: Tatiana
            despite the hatred and contempt of the ordinary people of Russia for Gorbach, the current Russian authorities will bury Mishka in Russian soil with great honors: under the guards of the military guard, with gorgeous commemoration

            ... I won’t be surprised if, after his death, he is also considered a saint, in company with Nicholas II. And as long as the Russian elite will have such an attitude to the history of the country: who ruined the country - a hero, who made a great country - a crazy patient.
          14. Axel_Leman
            Axel_Leman 29 September 2017 12: 51
            0
            "And then the time will surely come when the people of Gorbachev will be picked out of Russian soil and put to dust. He deserves it from the people!"
            You first pick out Lenin, and then Gorbochevs, Yeltsins, Putin ...
            1. mat-vey
              mat-vey 3 October 2017 13: 14
              0
              And first you learn the story, read it and “Spark” from under your head, remove it when you go to bed ..
      2. mat-vey
        mat-vey 28 September 2017 08: 58
        +4
        Quote: Wend
        This could have been done without destroying and humiliating the country.

        Well, it’s necessary to think already .. And Raisa Maksimovna insisted - “to begin and to kill” ..
      3. INVESTOR
        INVESTOR 28 September 2017 10: 35
        +6
        The collapse of the Soviet Union was carried out, guided by personal ambitions and a thirst for power, the participants of the Bialowieza Agreements. This is primarily the then leadership of Russia, ”he said in a recent interview. And again: “I categorically affirm that the collapse of the Soviet Union did not occur as a result of the development of perestroika in the country. To think so would be a major historical mistake. ”

        And you were obliged to shoot them and would remain a hero in the people's memory.
        1. SERGUS
          SERGUS 28 September 2017 15: 55
          +4
          Quote: INVESTOR
          And you were obliged to shoot them and would remain a hero in the people's memory.

          What for ? Look, Stalin shot such people and now they are pouring mud on him and that he was a psychopath, and suffered from a clouding of his mind and was generally a fierce bloodsucker. It’s easier while your country is falling apart sitting back and then getting medals for it.
          1. INVESTOR
            INVESTOR 28 September 2017 20: 28
            +1
            Quote: SERGUS
            Quote: INVESTOR
            And you were obliged to shoot them and would remain a hero in the people's memory.

            What for ? Look, Stalin shot such people and now they are pouring mud on him and that he was a psychopath, and suffered from a clouding of his mind and was generally a fierce bloodsucker. It’s easier while your country is falling apart sitting back and then getting medals for it.


            This position is called betrayal.
            1. SERGUS
              SERGUS 29 September 2017 10: 33
              +2
              Quote: INVESTOR
              This position is called betrayal.

              Yes, ordinary people then understand this, but only the elite then exposes us to such traitors as heroes-liberators. We laugh at Ukraine when their politicians say that the Soviet Union occupied and tormented them, and good Germany wanted to free them from this yoke. What about our politicians? We lost the Cold War, but the worse is that our Motherland was torn apart and it plunged into social house and the main culprits of this are Gorbachev and Yeltsin! And we are told that these are our heroes-liberators, and why then are our politicians better than Ukrainian politicians who are called the hero-liberator Bandera?
      4. BecmepH
        BecmepH 28 September 2017 13: 07
        +1
        This is the man who took the world a few steps back from the nuclear abyss
        This man pushed the world a few steps forward to the nuclear abyss
    2. mat-vey
      mat-vey 28 September 2017 08: 51
      +5
      And contempt ...
    3. Cube123
      Cube123 28 September 2017 08: 53
      +22
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      in the West, puzzled by the hostility in Russia to Gorbachev.
      - It's still put it mildly! Hatred - this is closer to the truth!

      In order to understand this, it was necessary to live in the countries of the former USSR in the 80s and 90s. For those who have experienced this, the question “why” does not arise.
    4. krops777
      krops777 28 September 2017 08: 57
      +6
      Hatred of Russians towards Gorbachev in the West is considered a “mystery”


      Yes, there’s no mystery here, if for example Obama, under the guise of democracy and perestroika, had collapsed, the United States would have loved the Americans for it, Obama.
    5. 79807420129
      79807420129 28 September 2017 08: 57
      +17
      His attempt at a political return in June attracted less than one percent of the vote. ”

      This was firstly in June 1996, during the election of his friend Yelkin.
      The hatred of Russians for Gorbachev in the West is considered a "mystery

      No riddles, wake up someday a resident of another country, then you will understand. negative
      1. 210ox
        210ox 28 September 2017 09: 21
        +7
        I would not consider Chernomyrdin to be included in this fucking cohort .. He had the same pearls, but he was the leader.
        Quote: 79807420129
        His attempt at a political return in June attracted less than one percent of the vote. ”

        This was firstly in June 1996, during the election of his friend Yelkin.
        The hatred of Russians for Gorbachev in the West is considered a "mystery

        No riddles, wake up someday a resident of another country, then you will understand. negative
        1. mat-vey
          mat-vey 28 September 2017 10: 17
          +4
          Quote: 210ox
          I would not rank Chernomyrdin as one of this fucking cohort.

          same thief .. why did he push uranium there?
        2. Esoteric
          Esoteric 28 September 2017 11: 03
          +13
          Quote: 210ox
          I wouldn’t rank Chernomyrdin as part of this fucking cohort .. He also had pearls,but he was the leader.

          Of course!!! The head of the clan ... black-hearted and black-hearted with bloody hands that determined the future of Russia's gas heritage ...
          Remember! All who stood in power in the nineties were venal clerks from the State Department. Only they are to blame for the fact that the once rich, self-sufficient country fell into a bent position. It was they who spread rot their people in hunger, poverty in the name of (what ???) their own emotion and self-love. What can you say against? Or are you now so strong that you can get by with your own resources?
          And now we live in expectation of someone's insight from above. Say he will see and reward. Yes, it’s you who are blind that you don’t see ahead of the most ordinary void. Emptiness spiritual, moral, which, like rust corrodes our society ...
          1. Flexsus
            Flexsus 28 September 2017 20: 03
            +2
            And something in the 1991 year, there were no crowds of indignant people throughout the USSR when the Red Banner was lowered from the dome of the House of Soviets. Where were the people? First of all, the people betrayed their Power !!! And when the people betray their Fatherland, then the Troubles ensue ... So it was and will be so. And then the Poles come, then the fratricidal civil wars begin.
            P.S. God forbid everyone to think that with this comment I support the hunchback. It’s easy to deceive our people, but when they figure out lies, I don’t envy those liars!
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 28 September 2017 21: 37
              +2
              Quote: Flexsus
              And something in 1991 was not visible crowds of indignant people throughout the USSR,

              excuse me how old was then?
              I remember very well when this happened and I remember HOW it was presented, they say that everything hasn’t changed anything well, they say that they just changed the name and really the first time the same passports didn’t change, the same money, and when they recovered, it’s late, the train left
              we are all to blame, but I repeat again, not in betrayal, but in naivety
      2. killganoff
        killganoff 28 September 2017 09: 35
        +8
        in the lower right corner is missing the next figure after Yeltsin.
    6. Hammer
      Hammer 28 September 2017 08: 59
      +14
      [quote = Uncle Lee] [quote] in the West are puzzled by the hostility in Russia to Gorbachev. After all, Mikhail Sergeyevich took the planet away from the nuclear abyss, freed its people from fear and gave freedom to Eastern Europe !! [/ quote]
      Traitor! But to the traitors of other feelings, except - hatred, contempt and aversion, can not be. And this su..a is still trying to give advice on how to behave and what Russia should do. Scum ... Such at all times, they didn’t even shoot them, a lot of honor, but they hung them.
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      1. mat-vey
        mat-vey 28 September 2017 09: 04
        0
        Quote: Tatiana
        However, despite the hatred and contempt of the ordinary people of Russia for Gorbach, the current Russian authorities will bury Mishka in Russian soil with great honors, under the guards of the military guard, with gorgeous commemoration at the public expense!

        Well, so - if there hadn’t been tagged there would have been no such “successful” ones (KOs).
    8. Vend
      Vend 28 September 2017 09: 09
      +1
      G - ready
      O - implement
      P - decisions
      B - Brezhnev
      A - Andropova
      Ch - Chernenko
      E - if
      In - I will survive
    9. Serg65
      Serg65 28 September 2017 09: 10
      +14
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      it's still put it mildly

      Indeed, to say the least! A henpecked sold his homeland, afraid for his affairs to seem compatriots by sight - why should we love him ???
      From the statements of this changeling ...
      “The purpose of my whole life was the destruction of communism, the unbearable dictatorship of people. I was fully supported by my wife, who realized the need for this even earlier than I did. To achieve this goal, I used my position in the party and country. That is why my wife kept pushing me to consistently occupy an increasingly higher position in the country. When I personally became acquainted with the West, I realized that I could not retreat from my goal. And to achieve it, I had to replace the entire leadership of the CPSU and the USSR, as well as the leadership in all socialist countries. ”

      I would be very happy if Mikhail Malyukov and Nadezhda Voronova, who expressed in their actions everything that the common people of the former USSR think to this Judah, were awarded the title Heroes of Russia!
      1. sogdy
        sogdy 28 September 2017 10: 07
        0
        Quote: Serg65
        if Mikhail Malyukov

        http://www.voskres.ru/articles/peminov.htm
    10. siberalt
      siberalt 28 September 2017 09: 36
      +6
      Gorbachev will forever go down in Russian history as a bad boy. And what difference does it make to us how they think of him in the West. The main thing is that liberalism in Russia does not take root by definition.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 28 September 2017 10: 40
        +2
        "Gorbachev will forever go down in Russian history as a boy is bad" ///

        Is not a fact. In the coming decades, yes. In 100-200 years - I wouldn’t promise.
        Perhaps the opposite.
    11. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 28 September 2017 09: 39
      +2
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      in the West, puzzled by the hostility in Russia to Gorbachev.
      - It's still put it mildly! Hatred - this is closer to the truth!

      Mysterious Russian soul: From love to hate, one step. (They loved Mishka when he came and said the right words. And the Congress of the CPSU, oh .... poem)
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 28 September 2017 10: 51
        +3
        Quote: Mavrikiy
        Mysterious Russian soul: From love to hate, one step. (They loved Mishka when he came and said the right words. And the Congress of the CPSU, oh .... poem)

        Hehe hehe ... so with us Guy Borealis Alcoligulu loved. To such an extent that they did not even believe their eyes when on Soviet TV they showed a drunk EBN during a visit to the USA - "he was tired, he felt bad and took pills, you deliberately slowed down the film, this is completely off !!!".
    12. iouris
      iouris 28 September 2017 12: 09
      +2
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      Hatred - this is closer to the truth!

      No longer. Rather contempt.
    13. svp67
      svp67 28 September 2017 12: 49
      +1
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      Hatred - this is closer to the truth!

      I am generally surprised at this way of posing the question. You might think that the modern story with Trump didn’t teach them anything and they don’t understand how to dislike and hate their leader.
  2. Thrall
    Thrall 28 September 2017 08: 48
    +9
    For everything he did, Gorbachev should be buried in the Yeltsin Center ...
    1. 11128
      11128 28 September 2017 08: 51
      +34
      Better with the Yeltsin Center
      1. Pissarro
        Pissarro 29 September 2017 01: 30
        +1
        The Yeltsin Center is best preserved as a museum of the crimes of Yeltsinism. With detailed expositions of rampant poverty, collapse, crime
    2. Idunavs
      Idunavs 28 September 2017 08: 56
      +7
      No, it’s too much honor to bury in such a “mausoleum.” You should have put it in a junkyard of history. (And remake the Yeltsin center in the analogy of the Palace of Pioneers.)
      1. Smog
        Smog 28 September 2017 09: 09
        +9
        Quote: Idunawa
        to bury too much honor in such a "mausoleum"

        And what if, along with the "mausoleum"? Then it’s probably normal. And then on top with bulldozers, bulldozers ... And concrete on top of a meter three. So that even the smells would not come out of there. am
    3. sogdy
      sogdy 28 September 2017 10: 13
      +2
      Quote: Thrall
      must be buried in the Yeltsin Center

      during his lifetime ...
    4. weksha50
      weksha50 28 September 2017 13: 55
      0
      Quote: Thrall
      For everything he did, Gorbachev should be buried in the Yeltsin Center ...


      Um ... Another mausoleum will appear?
      One is a destroyer ... The second is a destroyer ... And - not a single creator ... request
  3. enot73
    enot73 28 September 2017 08: 48
    +18
    Hatred of Russians towards Gorbachev in the West is considered a “mystery”
    If they lived in the Gorbachev USSR and then in Yeltsin Russia, perhaps they would understand why the Russians hate such “reformers”.
  4. hrych
    hrych 28 September 2017 08: 48
    +1
    How can you not love this toad
  5. pvv113
    pvv113 28 September 2017 08: 52
    +14
    in the West perplexed by hostility in Russia to Gorbachev

    I don’t know, like the Anglo-Saxons, but we have the concept of “Judah” both in common and negative. They do not like traitors in Russia
  6. Strashila
    Strashila 28 September 2017 08: 52
    +5
    "Gorbachev himself does not believe that he played a role in the collapse of the USSR." ... and he also "did not play" a role in the collapse of the agriculture of the USSR, which he supervised through the Central Committee of the CPSU.
    1. uskrabut
      uskrabut 28 September 2017 09: 34
      +4
      He didn’t play anything; he squinted in all seriousness.
  7. newcomer
    newcomer 28 September 2017 08: 54
    +13
    Western zhurnalyugi and anal'itiki know very well why we despise the humpbacked. they simply turned on the fool, thereby justifying the thesis that had arisen a long time ago that the people were wrong, it would be necessary to “educate” us up to 15/20 million.
  8. Belyash
    Belyash 28 September 2017 08: 54
    +1
    Thanks to him, people were able to travel abroad.
    1. den3080
      den3080 28 September 2017 08: 57
      +16
      your brother always left)) at least a stuffed animal, at least a carcass)))
      1. Belyash
        Belyash 28 September 2017 09: 02
        +2
        Why. Look at Lavrov, Putin, etc. children live in the USA, have real estate, passports. It seems they are not Americans.
        And why the Jews cannot leave for the Jewish country, why it touches you.
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 28 September 2017 09: 20
          +3
          Quote: Belyash
          Look at Lavrov, Putin, etc. children live in the USA

          lol So well, one Jew life should be raspberries ???
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 28 September 2017 10: 12
            +6
            Belyash
            Look at Lavrov ... children live in the USA, they have real estate, passports.
            Do not talk about Lavrov. This is long outdated information.
            Lavrov has long been living in Russia with his daughter and his whole family and relatives. No one in his family has passports of other countries except Russian property abroad.
            1. analgin
              analgin 28 September 2017 10: 26
              +4
              Quote: Tatiana
              Belyash
              Look at Lavrov ... children live in the USA, they have real estate, passports.
              Do not talk about Lavrov. This is long outdated information.
              Lavrov has long been living in Russia with his daughter and his whole family and relatives. No one in his family has passports of other countries except Russian property abroad.

              Seriously? Did they tell you (once again) on TV? Here, who exactly lives in their own country and not from whom her dads do not hide. feel

              Weakly the same pictures, Tatyana? That's it ... wink
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 28 September 2017 22: 24
                +3
                Quote: analgin
                Weakly the same pictures, Tatyana? That's it ...

                And there is still security somewhere in the background hanging out. Didn’t fit in the frame? Or hid under the table?
                1. analgin
                  analgin 29 September 2017 20: 51
                  0
                  Quote: mordvin xnumx
                  Quote: analgin
                  Weakly the same pictures, Tatyana? That's it ...

                  And there is still security somewhere in the background hanging out. Didn’t fit in the frame? Or hid under the table?

                  Mordvin 3
                  Well, lay out the same pictures of the daughters of Putin and Lavrov, albeit without "hiding under the security table." What, no such? That's it. recourse
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 29 September 2017 21: 02
                    +2
                    Quote: analgin
                    What, no such?

                    Mute. Even the Korean is dumb. GB hid everything. feel
                    1. analgin
                      analgin 29 September 2017 21: 05
                      +1
                      Quote: mordvin xnumx
                      Quote: analgin
                      What, no such?

                      Mute. Even the Korean is dumb. GB hid everything. feel

                      I always suspected that the American "GB" - go @ you (since you didn’t hide it either), and you confirmed my guesses.
                      PS: More emoticons when there is nothing to answer. This is a win-win option!
                      1. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 29 September 2017 21: 12
                        +2
                        Quote: analgin
                        More emoticons when there is nothing to answer.

                        Interrupt. Why is this "nothing to answer"? Clearly said - there are no such photos. Only a cheap farce with Obama's daughter is also incomprehensible. Salary for the protection of the store accrued? Yeah. Any shopkeeper will send such a seller to hell. Mentally.
                  2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 29 September 2017 21: 10
                    0
                    Quote: analgin
                    Well, post the same pictures of the daughters of Putin and Lavrov,

                    Kindergarten
                    what for?!!!
                    why pull a tiger by a mustache, creating a situation in which you can influence the first persons of the state? !!!!!!!!
                    1. analgin
                      analgin 29 September 2017 21: 20
                      0
                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Quote: analgin
                      Well, post the same pictures of the daughters of Putin and Lavrov,

                      Kindergarten
                      what for?!!!
                      why pull a tiger by a mustache, creating a situation in which you can influence the first persons of the state? !!!!!!!!

                      And why is Obama not afraid to "pull the mustache while creating ..."

                      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 30 September 2017 08: 12
                        +1
                        fool because
        2. Setrac
          Setrac 28 September 2017 10: 21
          +1
          Quote: Belyash
          Why. Look at Lavrov, Putin, etc. children live in the USA, have real estate, passports. It seems they are not Americans.

          Why are you breaching?
          Quote: Belyash
          And why the Jews cannot leave for the Jewish country, why it touches you.

          The Jews are to blame for the collapse of the USSR ???
    2. Cube123
      Cube123 28 September 2017 09: 00
      +13
      Quote: Belyash
      Thanks to him, people were able to travel abroad.

      And where did you get the idea that this is the first vital necessity? Although, for a Jew, it is quite possible.
    3. Vard
      Vard 28 September 2017 09: 02
      +5
      We have twenty million below the poverty line ... and you are about abroad ...
    4. san4es
      san4es 28 September 2017 09: 02
      +9
      Quote: Belyash
      Thanks to him, people were able to travel abroad.

      ... to fight for the Donbass am
    5. Serg65
      Serg65 28 September 2017 09: 18
      +12
      Quote: Belyash
      Thanks to him, people were able to travel abroad.

      laughing Thanks to him, the Jews of the USSR lost the honorary title of zavmag, zabavolov, zavbaz, zavbani, zavsklad and were forced to emigrate to Israel, but many Jews were not comme il faut to reorganize into Israelis and they rushed to the USA bully
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 28 September 2017 10: 06
        +2
        Quote: Serg65
        Thanks to him, the Jews of the USSR lost the honorary titles of zavmag ...

        head in childhood did not knock ?!
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 28 September 2017 12: 54
          +2
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          head in childhood did not knock ?!

          belay but sho noticeable?
  9. Hagalaz
    Hagalaz 28 September 2017 08: 54
    +12
    The collapse of the Soviet Union was carried out, guided by personal ambitions and a thirst for power, the participants of the Bialowieza Agreements.
    One started, others finished. Therefore, people put Mechny and Alkash in one row. And there’s nothing for the hunchback to try to bounce to the side!
    1. Cube123
      Cube123 28 September 2017 09: 08
      +1
      Quote: Hagalaz
      The collapse of the Soviet Union was carried out, guided by personal ambitions and a thirst for power, the participants of the Bialowieza Agreements.

      Not only. If the hunchbacked, through the Supreme Council, had not extended his presidential powers to the year 2000, there would have been no need to liquidate the country to remove him from power. And so, this was the only legitimate way to prematurely remove him from power.
      1. Serg65
        Serg65 28 September 2017 09: 21
        +3
        Quote: Cube123
        If the hunchbacked, through the Supreme Council, had not extended his presidential powers to the 2000 year, there would have been no need to liquidate the country to remove him from power. And so, this was the only legitimate way to prematurely remove him from power.

        what Is this a new version of the reorganization of the USSR?
        1. Cube123
          Cube123 28 September 2017 09: 25
          +1
          Not at all. Read, for example, Doctor of History Anatoly Utkin. The book "Betrayal of the Secretary General. Flight from Europe."
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 28 September 2017 09: 31
            +6
            Quote: Cube123
            Read for example

            My friend, why should I read, all this was before my eyes! And how Raika built a summer house in the Crimea, and how GKChPisty left the plane half-bent in Kache, and how after the GKChP Gorbachev's superhero Gdlyan drove a fighter below the baseboard! Read better memories than analytics!
      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 28 September 2017 10: 05
        +1
        Quote: Cube123
        And so, this was the only legitimate way to prematurely remove him from power.

        this is something new

        According to the Constitution of the USSR, the President of the USSR was to be elected by citizens of the USSR by direct and secret ballot for a term of 5 years. As an exception, the first election of the President of the USSR was held by the Congress of People's Deputies of the USSR
        1. sogdy
          sogdy 28 September 2017 10: 31
          0
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          were held by the Congress of People's Deputies of the USSR

          Nothing that the Union treaties ended by the 1989 year? And yet, it was the actual existence of the Union that impeded any economic activity?
          Quote: Serg65
          My friend, why should I read, all this was before my eyes!

          Nobody argues. Of interest is the process technology in order to draw conclusions. Various.
          1. Pancir026
            Pancir026 28 September 2017 10: 38
            0
            Quote: sogdy
            And yet, it was the actual existence of the Union that impeded any economic activity?

            This is how and to whom it hindered the Americans? Well, then worry about them.
            But it seems closer to you ... "We all remember that Medvedev has no money, and you know why? Because they are at the head of the technical support department of the food department of the Ministry of Defense, Colonel Alexander Vakulin. And before that, they were at the deputy head of the “T” department of the Main Directorate of Economic Security of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia Dmitry Zakharchenko, and before that, at Serdyukov and Vasilyeva, and before that ... - and so on to infinity. "V. Rashkin
            1. sogdy
              sogdy 28 September 2017 10: 46
              0
              Quote: Pancir026
              How and to whom did it prevent it?

              For example, bank transfers were stopped -> factories were left without funds to purchase materials, pay salaries, but with obligations to deliver.

              So call me, this is a conversation without show-offs.
              And to me, to a light bulb, "vasmuschschonya shouts."
              1. Pancir026
                Pancir026 28 September 2017 10: 48
                +2
                Quote: sogdy
                For example, bank transfers were stopped -> factories were left without funds to purchase materials, pay salaries, but with obligations to deliver.

                Is that all you know? And why did it happen, you don’t know? You don’t know for sure or pretend that you don’t know?
                Pontees do not need to be twisted here, they lived at that time and saw who was turning something.
                1. sogdy
                  sogdy 28 September 2017 11: 38
                  0
                  Quote: Pancir026
                  And why did this happen, you don’t know?

                  I know. And I know for sure.
                  But I do not know all the "heroes" by name.
                  Still have a complaint?
                  Quote: Pancir026
                  lived at that time and saw who was spinning something.

                  He who does not see will not see.
                  You are talking about crime. I’m talking about the absolutely legal that crime preceded.
              2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 28 September 2017 12: 40
                +1
                Quote: sogdy
                For example, bank transfers were stopped -> factories were left without funds to purchase materials, pay salaries, but with obligations to deliver.

                it’s just a consequence of the collapse of the USSR. Apparently, you were either not there at the time, or you were a child.
          2. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 28 September 2017 11: 43
            0
            Quote: sogdy
            Nothing that the Union Treaties ended by 1989?

            and why is this ?!
            By the way, what kind of "Union Treaties" the agreement was ONE from 30.12.1922/XNUMX/XNUMX there were no others
            Quote: sogdy
            was it the actual existence of the Union that impeded any economic activity?

            What is it like?!!!!!!!!
            forgive you in 91-93 how old was ?!
            just the collapse of the USSR terribly affected economic activity
            1. sogdy
              sogdy 28 September 2017 11: 49
              0
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              the contract was ONE of 30.12.1922/XNUMX/XNUMX there were no others

              An agreement was concluded with each republic. Urgent, without automatic renewal. On the basis of the operation of these treaties the USSR existed as a legal entity (simplify).
              Actually, in our time it was studied at school.
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 28 September 2017 12: 37
                +1
                Quote: sogdy
                An agreement was concluded with each republic. Urgent, without automatic renewal. On the basis of the operation of these treaties the USSR existed as a legal entity (simplify).


                Treaty on the Formation of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (adopted at the I Congress of Soviets of the USSR December 30.12.1922, XNUMX)

                The Russian Socialist Federative Soviet Republic (RSFSR), the Ukrainian Socialist Soviet Republic (USSR), the Belarusian Socialist Soviet Republic (BSSR) and the Transcaucasian Socialist Federative Soviet Republic (ZSFSR - Georgia, Azerbaijan and Armenia) conclude this Union Treaty to merge into one union state - "Union of Soviet Socialist Republics" - on the following grounds.
                http://dslov.ru/txt/t85.htm




                Quote: sogdy
                Actually, in our time it was studied at school.
                apparently bad
                1. sogdy
                  sogdy 28 September 2017 12: 57
                  0
                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Treaty on the Formation of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics

                  This is the title of the Agreement. Well, it’s not the point.
                  Republics 15. Apart from exclusives such as Siberia and the Far East.
                  So where is the timing and extension?
                  But in international law, as in Roman, there are no perpetual agreements.
                  In the US, this is formulated “forever” - but it still has a limit.
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 28 September 2017 13: 20
                    +1
                    Quote: sogdy
                    This is the title of the Agreement. Well, it’s not the point.
                    Republics 15. Apart from exclusives such as Siberia and the Far East.
                    So where is the timing and extension?
                    But in international law, as in Roman, there are no perpetual agreements.

                    teach you no desire
                    finally give the text of YOUR contract
              2. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 28 September 2017 22: 39
                +3
                Quote: sogdy
                Actually, in our time it was studied at school.

                The textbook will not prompt? I want to read what they teach there.
          3. Flexsus
            Flexsus 28 September 2017 20: 14
            +1
            Quote: sogdy
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            were held by the Congress of People's Deputies of the USSR

            Nothing that the Union treaties ended by the 1989 year? And yet, it was the actual existence of the Union that impeded any economic activity?
            Quote: Serg65
            My friend, why should I read, all this was before my eyes!

            Nobody argues. Of interest is the process technology in order to draw conclusions. Various.

            I apologize to the ignoramus, and when were the union agreements concluded and for how long, which ended in the 1989 year? And in what regulatory documents of the USSR can they be found? And please, give without conspiracy theories, just the name of the document, the date of its publication and the number of articles where these treaties are written and the duration of their action. Thank you in advance))))
        2. Cube123
          Cube123 28 September 2017 11: 48
          +2
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          Quote: Cube123
          And so, this was the only legitimate way to prematurely remove him from power.

          this is something new

          According to the Constitution of the USSR, the President of the USSR was to be elected by citizens of the USSR by direct and secret ballot for a term of 5 years. As an exception, the first election of the President of the USSR was held by the Congress of People's Deputies of the USSR

          An exception was made for Gorbachev - his first term did not count. Therefore, his authority should have expired after a maximum of 10 years, i.e. in the year 2000.
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 28 September 2017 12: 38
            0
            Quote: Cube123
            Therefore, his authority should have expired after a maximum of 10 years, i.e. in the year 2000.

            you do not write nonsense, this does not mean that his powers expired in 2000, this meant that he could be in power, but NOT a fact that he would
            1. Cube123
              Cube123 28 September 2017 15: 09
              +2
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              Quote: Cube123
              Therefore, his authority should have expired after a maximum of 10 years, i.e. in the year 2000.

              you do not write nonsense, this does not mean that his powers expired in 2000, this meant that he could be in power, but NOT a fact that he would

              You can call it stupid, but the "customers" did not want to wait so long and as a result he was left behind after a year and a half.

              But seriously, the USSR was destroyed by Gorbachev. I don’t know, by his poor mind or "comrades" they helped. It was also done as before CMEA was destroyed. In the case of CMEA, the reason was the decision Gorbachev put forward on mutual settlements between countries in the "hard" currency. In the case of the USSR, a similar decision regarding mutual settlements between the republics. People are rational creatures and quickly realized that you need to earn money where they are found. And “hard” currency is easier to earn by working for the United States, which prints it, and not for the USSR, for which it is chronically lacking. Everything else was just a consequence of this reason.
    2. alstr
      alstr 28 September 2017 10: 07
      +5
      I am usually struck by the double standards of our liberals.
      On the one hand, for all the atrocities imaginary and real of the 30s and 40s, Stalin was responsible (and the defeat of 41 was also on his conscience), but Gorbachev was not to blame - you see, three of them gathered in the forest and all collapsed. And the people themselves ruined everything, and not he, he only went to meet the desires of the working masses.
  10. mat-vey
    mat-vey 28 September 2017 08: 54
    +4
    And how is it now with "nuclear security", "freedom of Europe" and I will not be afraid of this with the "fears of the people"?
  11. Corsair0304
    Corsair0304 28 September 2017 08: 56
    +11
    This is the man who took the world a few steps back from the nuclear abyss and freed his compatriots from suffocating fear, the man who put an end to the bloody foreign adventures and freed Eastern Europe ...

    Your division! Got away from the nuclear abyss? And Kim III - Trump now what, pipisk ... mi measured? Someone from the rostrum of the UN screams that it will destroy the country, the second commercials launched as the American AUG to smithereens!

    Bloody foreign adventures of the USSR or FSA, let me clarify?
    Here is an incomplete list of all wars after the moronic Gorbi destroyed the USSR:
    - Georgian-Abkhaz conflict
    - Nagorno-Karabakh
    - Transnistria
    - two Chechen companies
    - Georgia - South Ossetia 08.08.08.
    - Ukraine has been blazing in the fire for 4 years and no end-edge can be seen ...

    For the countries of Eastern Europe and about Yugoslavia I am generally silent.
    The Middle East and Afghanistan have flared up with Desert Storm and the end-edge is also not visible ..

    In 1988, 1000 rubles were left on the parents ’passbook - it was possible to buy a car, and as a result, they bought the Mars chocolate bar !!!!

    So tell me what to love and respect Gorby. No wonder he screwed into the UK, oh no wonder. Would tear it here in Russia.
    1. Gransasso
      Gransasso 28 September 2017 09: 17
      +1
      "..Middle East and Afghanistan as flared up with" Desert Storm "and also the end-edge is not visible .." "

      The Middle East has blazed like this since the mid-40s .... but Afghanistan flared up in the late 70s ... don’t you remember thanks to whom? ... which country?



      "... In 1988, 1000 rubles were left on the parents’ passbook - you could buy a car, and as a result, you bought a chocolate bar "Mars" !!!! ... "



      What kind of car could you buy in 1988 for 1000 rubles? ... except maybe a color TV ... after a couple of years of recording and big blast ...
      1. Stabilization
        Stabilization 28 September 2017 10: 03
        +1
        About Afghanistan, you should still refresh your knowledge and dig a little deeper than 70X. Not?) And to understand the essence of what happened and what happened there as a whole.
        How does the fact that the Middle East has been quiet for 2000 years already cancels the fact of NATO aggression in the 90s ??
        1. Gransasso
          Gransasso 28 September 2017 13: 46
          +1
          Quote: Stabilization
          About Afghanistan, you should still refresh your knowledge and dig a little deeper than 70X. Not?) And to understand the essence of what happened and what happened there as a whole.
          How does the fact that the Middle East has been quiet for 2000 years already cancels the fact of NATO aggression in the 90s ??



          We are not talking about NATO and not about history since time immemorial ... we are talking about Gorbachev ... but he didn’t kindle anything on BV or in Afghanistan
      2. sogdy
        sogdy 28 September 2017 12: 33
        0
        Quote: Gransasso
        What kind of car could you buy in 1988 for 1000 rubles? ... except maybe a color TV ... after a couple of years of recording and big blast ...

        in 1988, the price of Birch was reduced from 200 to 80 rubles.
        But with a car - a puncture. Less than 1000 - for production, the so-called "state price"
        1. Gransasso
          Gransasso 28 September 2017 13: 49
          +2
          Quote: sogdy
          Quote: Gransasso
          What kind of car could you buy in 1988 for 1000 rubles? ... except maybe a color TV ... after a couple of years of recording and big blast ...

          in 1988, the price of Birch was reduced from 200 to 80 rubles.
          But with a car - a puncture. Less than 1000 - for production, the so-called "state price"




          The price of the TV "KVN 49" in 1961 before the reform of money - 1200 rubles
          .
          The price of a b / w TV "Record 331" is 210 rubles.
          The price of the Rubin 401-1 color TV, one of the first color TVs, in 1972 was 1200 rubles.
          The price of the Electron 716 color TV set without an ACS unit in 1980 was 680 rubles. (most models 714 and 716-series cost the same)
          The price of the color television "Electron 716D" with an ACS unit in 1980 is 715 rubles. (also similar models).
          The price of the color television "Electron 718" with touch control is 780 rubles. (or 755 rub.)?
          The price of the TV "Youth 406", b / w image - 200 rubles.
          The price of the TV "Youth 406D" (with a decameter prefix) is 215 rubles.
          The price of the TV "Dawn 306" b / w image - 140 rubles.
          The price of the TV "Quartz 306" b / w image - 140 rubles.
          The price of the TV "Record VTs381" in color image is 635 rubles.
          The price of the “Record VTs381D” TV (with a decameter prefix) is 680 rubles.
          TV "Rubin Ts-201" The price of 1980 - 775 rubles.
          TV "Rubin Ts-202" The price of 1980 - 775 rubles.
          TV "Slavutich Ts-201" The price of 1980 - 775 rubles.
          TV "Birch Ts-201" The price of 1980 - 775 rubles.
          TV "Amber Ts-310" The price of 1980 - 550 rubles.
          TV "RUBIN-714" (G.Z.K.) Price of 1980 - 680 rubles
          TV "PHOTON-714" (G.Z.K.) Price of 1980 - 680 rubles.
          TV "HORIZON-728" (G.Z.K.) Price of 1980 - 720 rubles.
          TEMP-714 TV. The price of 1980 is 680 rubles.
          TV "ELECTRON-718" The price of 1980 - 755 rubles.
          TV "VITYAZ-722" The price of 1980 - 755 rubles.
          TV "SADCO-714" The price of 1980 - 680 rubles.
          TV "Seagull-714" The price of 1980 - 680 rubles.
          TV "SHILALIS TS-401" Price of 1980 - 450 rubles.
          TV "YOUTH TS-401" The price of 1980 - 450 rubles.
          TV "ELECTRONICS TS-430" ("AURORA") Price of 1980 - 470 rubles.
          TV "PHOTON-225" (G.Z.K.) Price of 1980 - 336 rubles.
          TV "HORIZON-206" (G.Z.K.) Price of 1980 - 296 rubles.
          TV "CRIMEA-218" The price of 1980 - 296 rubles
          TV "TAURAS-210" The price of 1980 - 296 rubles.
          TV "BIRCH-215" (G.Z.K.) Price of 1980 - 296 rubles.
          TV "CASCADE-205" The price of 1980 - 296 rubles.
          TV "Seagull-207" The price of 1980 - 296 rubles.
          TV "SADKO-306" (G.Z.K.) Price of 1980 - 200 rubles.
          TV "SHILALIS TS-402D" (G.Z.K.) Price of 1980 - 200 rubles.
          TV "SHILALIS TS-403D" The price of 1980 - 775 rubles.
          TV "Youth-402" The price of 1980 - 220 rubles.
          TV "ELECTRONICS-407" The price of 1980 - 191 rubles.
          TV "ELECTRONICS-11" The price of 1980 - 140 rubles.
    2. BecmepH
      BecmepH 28 September 2017 13: 25
      +1
      No wonder he screwed into the UK, oh no wonder. Would tear it here in Russia.
      By the way, here I ask myself: "And where will the GDP live after the presidency?
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 28 September 2017 13: 39
        +1
        Quote: BecmepH
        By the way, here I ask myself: "And where will the GDP live after the presidency?

        good question ... It seems that everything will depend on the events of the next couple of years.
  12. leonid-zherebtcov
    leonid-zherebtcov 28 September 2017 08: 58
    +5
    What can I say? ... "Tagged" - Judas, and this is for life, I'm afraid that by inheritance ...
  13. Belyash
    Belyash 28 September 2017 08: 58
    +1
    Strange people, but they love Stalin .. with Kadyrov
    1. mat-vey
      mat-vey 28 September 2017 09: 02
      +5
      That they just say so - "We love Kadyrov, I can’t eat it anymore"?
    2. 79807420129
      79807420129 28 September 2017 09: 03
      +11
      Quote: Belyash
      Strange people, but they love Stalin .. with Kadyrov

      Truly strange, once upon a time.after a democratic mess, many love Stalin.
    3. Serg65
      Serg65 28 September 2017 09: 24
      +9
      Quote: Belyash
      Strange people, but they love Stalin .. with Kadyrov

      Well, not all, not all ... that Jews do not like, but why ???
      What do Moses and Stalin look like?
      Moses led the Jews out of Egypt, and Stalin brought the Jews out of the Central Committee lol
      1. DEPARTMENT
        DEPARTMENT 28 September 2017 09: 35
        +3
        Quote: Serg65
        What do Moses and Stalin look like?
        Moses led the Jews out of Egypt, and Stalin brought the Jews out of the Central Committee

        As you are absolutely right ... Cheka, political department, everything was beaten by them and blood poured in streams!
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 28 September 2017 10: 01
          +2
          Quote: DEPARTMENT
          everything was hammered by them and blood poured in streams!

          she also poured blood in streams

          and he

          and now he poured the blood of the enemies of our country not even by streams of rivers


          at least sometimes they didn’t try to think, rather than wave their hands and write nonsense? !!!
          1. DEPARTMENT
            DEPARTMENT 28 September 2017 10: 17
            +1
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            at least sometimes they didn’t try to think, rather than wave their hands and write nonsense? !!!

            I thought for a long time and read a lot ... Alas, my opinion remains the same ..
            The 90s confirmed my suspicion in a complete and final conclusion.,! hi
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 28 September 2017 12: 42
              +1
              Quote: DEPARTMENT
              I thought for a long time and read a lot ...

              apparently bad
              Quote: DEPARTMENT
              The 90s confirmed my suspicion in a complete and final conclusion.,!

              apologize to those noble to whom you scribble your nonsense there is no desire? !!!
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          3. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 28 September 2017 12: 48
            +4
            Quote: DEPARTMENT
            Detachments of Jewish partisans, will anyone remember?

            are you friends with brains at all ?!
            maybe enough already to insult those who fought including for you? !!!

            the detachment under the leadership of Lev Gilchik consisted entirely of Jews.
            a unique phenomenon arose in the partisan movement of Belarus - Jewish family partisan detachments. The most famous of them was a detachment of them. Kalinin Baranavichy region under the leadership of Tuvye Belsky. As part of this detachment at the time of joining the units of the Red Army in July 1944, there were 1233 people, including 296 armed.
            Partisan detachment No. 106 under the command of Sholom Zorin was composed mainly of former prisoners of the Minsk ghetto. It consisted of 596 people, 141 of whom were part of the battle group. The "household" groups of Jewish family units, consisting of tailors, shoemakers, bakers, doctors, watchmakers, repairmen and other specialists, became the base serving many partisan units.
            Jews who fell into the forest in the spring and summer of 1942 also organized Jewish Jewish guerrilla groups. One of the first such detachments under the leadership of Boris Gindin, consisted mainly of Jews who escaped from captivity or who left the encirclement.
            Of the most famous detachments created from among the former prisoners of the Minsk ghetto, we should name the detachment named after them. Kutuzov led by Israel Lapidus. In the detachment under the command of Pavel Vasilyevich Pronyagin, a separate 51st regiment was created from former prisoners of the Slonim ghetto, in which there were more than 150 people.
            1. DEPARTMENT
              DEPARTMENT 28 September 2017 13: 33
              +1
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              a unique phenomenon arose in the partisan movement of Belarus - Jewish family partisan detachments. The most famous of them was a detachment of them. Kalinina

              That's exactly the unique phenomenon .. hehe
              The farther into the forest, the thicker the partisans! laughing
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              apologize to those noble to whom you scribble your nonsense there is no desire? !!!

              Not in front of anyone hi
              I read their memoirs rare, very rare .. Yes there were heroic men Jews! But there was no general uplifting before the Nazis ... They ran away with suitcases all over the world .. And in the watered departments of the TT waved Russian soldiers to attack the frontal ... Then they treated them ... more often they cut their legs, there were no drugs.
              Or am I wrong ..?
              A moan stood over all of Russia!
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              2. Chadan Khemchiksky
                Chadan Khemchiksky 28 September 2017 14: 19
                +2
                And here I am.
                I read and cry, laughing.
                Jewish partisan detachment. 1233-number of the detachment. And only 296 with weapons.
                Poor Jewish tailors and hairdressers ...
                Well, their handles are not adapted for machine guns and machine guns. They would be in Tashkent ...
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 28 September 2017 14: 26
                  +2
                  Quote: Chadan Khemchiksky
                  I read and cry, laughing. Well, their handles are not adapted for machine guns and machine guns. They would be in Tashkent ...

                  how are you “right” Polina Vladimirovna Gelman (October 24, 1919 - November 29, 2005) - communications chief of the aviation squadron of the 46th guards night bomber aviation regiment of the 325th night bomber aviation division of the 4th air army of the 2nd Belorussian front, senior guard lieutenant. It made 860 sorties. Hero of the Soviet Union.
          4. Pissarro
            Pissarro 29 September 2017 01: 44
            +1
            A partisan detachment was operating in Belarus under the leadership of the Belsky brothers, Jews of nationality. What is surprising, they were either in the forest or in the execution moat
    4. uskrabut
      uskrabut 28 September 2017 09: 31
      +4
      Quote: Belyash
      Strange people, but they love Stalin .. with Kadyrov

      Well, do not worship Judas! Russians have a special relationship with traitors, and Gorbachev is the first of the traitors.
    5. sunzhenets
      sunzhenets 28 September 2017 10: 46
      +6
      Belyash Today, 08:58
      Strange people, but they love Stalin .. with Kadyrov

      Only a very stupid person can put on one board Stalin and Kadyrov
    6. BecmepH
      BecmepH 28 September 2017 13: 27
      +3
      Quote: Belyash
      Strange people, but they love Stalin .. with Kadyrov

      And who loves Kadyrov? The first time I've heard.
    7. the monastery
      the monastery 28 September 2017 21: 56
      0
      Beat the Jews save Russia
      1. oldseaman1957
        oldseaman1957 29 September 2017 02: 37
        0
        Quote: monastery
        Beat the Jews save Russia
        - Teapot.
        .
      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 29 September 2017 06: 46
        +1
        you would first write Russia with a capital letter
  14. scrap123
    scrap123 28 September 2017 08: 59
    +1
    bald in one word ...
    1. Nitochkin
      Nitochkin 28 September 2017 09: 11
      +4
      Not bald, labeled.
      1. 79807420129
        79807420129 28 September 2017 09: 36
        +9
        Quote: Nitochkin
        Not bald, labeled.

        Rather, two in one, and bald and tagged. hi
  15. Vard
    Vard 28 September 2017 09: 00
    +7
    He also knew ... stood a meter away ... in his hand a gas key wrapped in a newspaper ...
    1. uskrabut
      uskrabut 28 September 2017 09: 29
      +5
      but could change the course of history wink
  16. Corsair0304
    Corsair0304 28 September 2017 09: 01
    +3
    liberating Eastern Europe ... From whom? from hardworking and peaceful Slavs? But now in Eastern Europe there are a lot of bearded "refugees" who do not care about European values, the culture and traditions of the peoples living there.
    1. mat-vey
      mat-vey 28 September 2017 09: 07
      +8
      It’s not true about Europe. As they already wrote here, the peaceful bombing of Yugoslavia was released ... True, if the USSR had been alive this could not have happened in principle ...
  17. Hariton laptev
    Hariton laptev 28 September 2017 09: 11
    +7
    Whenever there will still be a trial, and even this leader is found guilty of the collapse of the USSR, in the fact that the fires of war broke out in the territory of the once greatest country, in the deaths and deaths of millions of fellow citizens, in the infinite nineties, in that thanks to his transformations, the country lowered to the bottom and the miracle that she rises from her knees. Judgment and eternal damnation.
    1. DEPARTMENT
      DEPARTMENT 28 September 2017 14: 52
      +4
      Quote: Hariton Laptev
      Whenever there will still be a trial, and even this leader is found guilty of the collapse of the USSR, in the fact that the fires of war broke out in the territory of the once greatest country, in the deaths and deaths of millions of fellow citizens, in the infinite nineties, in that thanks to his transformations, the country lowered to the bottom and the miracle that she rises from her knees. Judgment and eternal damnation.

      Then these immediately surfaced (50 billion are required by you and me, one of them is fluent, etc.)))) .. And how much later?
  18. hhhhhhh
    hhhhhhh 28 September 2017 09: 12
    +3
    ... freed from normal life ....
  19. bddrus
    bddrus 28 September 2017 09: 13
    +1
    I completely agree that the blame for the collapse rests with everyone, otherwise they are used to choosing a scapegoat. Gorbachev was weak and not ready to defend his position. Yes, remember how they rallied for Yeltsin-that is, Gorbachev did not have support, and Yeltsin, winged, took power and with the "colleagues" signed the collapse of the union, so that everyone would get a presidential chair. Would the police and Gorbachev’s army support? unlikely, but if supported, then he would quickly be renamed into dictators and those who now hang everything on him would moan about the "co-op" regime
    1. Serg65
      Serg65 28 September 2017 09: 56
      +7
      Quote: bddrus
      those. Gorbachev did not have support

      And where does this support come from? For three years, it has collapsed what has been built for decades!
      Quote: bddrus
      Would the police and Gorbachev’s army support?

      Of course they wouldn’t support him; he lowered this army below the baseboard! Even the unspoken order was "To go beyond the territory of a unit only to a citizen!"
      Quote: bddrus
      those who now hang everything on him would moan about the "co-op" mode

      laughing Are you a storyteller? Hans Christian is not your relative?
  20. den3080
    den3080 28 September 2017 09: 18
    +10
    Gorbachev and Yeltsin, both two, statesmen fellow
    I will never forget Gorbachev’s poverty, I will never forget how people cooked on stoves in Khrushchev’s five-story buildings in Kazakhstan, and on the street it’s frost -30, it’s a little warmer in apartments, there is no water in the pipes.
    I won’t forget how I stood in line for humanitarian aid in St. Petersburg - NATO Suhpai, only once ... a classmate carried away (kakol from Dnepropetrovsk, this is in their blood, now I remember and wonder) he didn’t go anymore, it’s better to die.
    I will not forget the oily Gaidar face and the ever-drunk Yeltsin, who had only one goal - to steer, to feel like the main shishkar, and there - at least the grass does not grow.
    eekhma, it is easier for young people winked
    but they must be warned against these ... gozman, stankevich, red-headed, bulk, white and other riffraffers without honor, without conscience, without a homeland.
  21. The brightest
    The brightest 28 September 2017 09: 18
    +5
    You can explain to them in just one word - traitor.
  22. magician
    magician 28 September 2017 09: 21
    +4
    Gorbachev’s name is associated with a rather difficult period in our country: perestroika (and in my opinion it’s just a division of the country between the party elite, officials of different stripes and their close circle). They don’t build a new house without preparation, they don’t break down the old house, where is it to live during the construction? The collapse of the whole industry: where is our chemical industry working from the zero stage, light industry, agriculture? Factories in ruins, in the fields of cottages, all that remains in private hands, often foreign. Not only Gorbachev is to blame for this, there are many such persons in his circle and their names are known to everyone. So, that not only him needs to be judged for the poor old people, homeless people on the streets and the ruins of factories. I hope all of them reward history as they deserve.
    1. oldseaman1957
      oldseaman1957 29 September 2017 02: 50
      +3
      Quote: wizard
      ... It’s not only Gorbachev who is to blame for this, there are those around him ...
      - What a pop, such a parish! A narcissistic talker and a sloth, by the will of the wildest irony of fate, who became the head of a superpower. He upheld adequate, scored along, until he was hysterical, was afraid to take any responsibility. No one has ever harmed Russia so much as this insignificance.
  23. Pacifist
    Pacifist 28 September 2017 09: 23
    +6
    And how else to relate to the stupid upstart enemy who surrendered a great country ?! He is an idiot and a traitor. According to him, the prison cries according to the article Treason to the Motherland.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 28 September 2017 09: 51
      +6
      Quote: Pacifist
      According to him, the prison cries according to the article Treason

      yes no no prison
  24. g1v2
    g1v2 28 September 2017 09: 25
    +13
    Really and why do we hate him so much? Maybe that's why?

    THIS IS THROUGH SEVERAL MONTHS AFTER THE DESTRUCTION OF THE COUNTRY CONFIRMED TO HIM. ENJOYING LIFE IN THE CIRCLE OF REAL FRIENDS, WHICH FROM FRIENDLY DO NOT UNDERSTAND, FOR WHICH IN THE DESTROYED COUNTRY DO NOT LIKE THEIR FRIENDS.
  25. uskrabut
    uskrabut 28 September 2017 09: 27
    +9
    "This is the man who took the world a few steps back from the nuclear abyss and freed his compatriots from suffocating fear, the man who put an end to the bloody foreign adventures, freeing Eastern Europe ..."
    It was thanks to his "peacekeeping" activities (and simply surrendering the position of the state) that bloody adventures such as the bloody collapse of Yugoslavia, the genocide in Iraq and Libya, US aggression against Syria in alliance with ISIS, the creation of international terrorist organizations that let rivers of blood throughout planet massacre in the former Soviet republics. Here we add the death of the USSR economy due to the clumsy, and maybe wrecking, Gorbachev administration. So who is Gorbachev for the people of Russia? It is unlikely that there will be many Russians who have said warm and kind words to him.

    “I categorically affirm that the collapse of the Soviet Union did not occur as a result of the development of perestroika in the country. To think so would be a major historical mistake. ”
    Gorbachev himself is the biggest historical mistake.
    1. Scalpel
      Scalpel 28 September 2017 11: 31
      0
      Yugoslavia, Iraq and Libya should not worry you. Take care of your country and do not blather. Assad may be left alive if ISIS helps to fight.
      1. Pissarro
        Pissarro 29 September 2017 01: 47
        0
        What should concern us and what should not be your business. Assad turned out to be too tough for you, you can sob
    2. BecmepH
      BecmepH 28 September 2017 13: 36
      +2
      It is unlikely that there will be many Russians who have said warm and kind words to him.
      Impossible, but ... On the site there is unanimity regarding this type.
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  27. Million
    Million 28 September 2017 09: 28
    +3
    I don’t understand why a criminal case has not yet been brought against him.
    1. mat-vey
      mat-vey 28 September 2017 09: 47
      +2
      But what about billions?
  28. CAT BAIYUN
    CAT BAIYUN 28 September 2017 09: 30
    +9
    Riddle, riddle .... Had this happened to the states, probably there would have been no riddle. They would understand everything on their own skin ....
    If they don’t understand, then there’s no need to explain why many people hate the “tagged” one.
    Let them take it as a fact. And we will take our own. Let them not doubt it.
  29. free
    free 28 September 2017 09: 30
    +6
    Judah is his real name
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  31. corporal
    corporal 28 September 2017 09: 33
    +7
    To paraphrase an old American joke:
    "-you have a revolver with one cartridge, before you is Yeltsin and Chubais, who will you shoot at?
    -in Gorbachev three times "
  32. genpolitproject
    genpolitproject 28 September 2017 09: 38
    +3
    But no one considers Yeltsin and his w-environment of hatred ???
  33. Skay
    Skay 28 September 2017 09: 42
    +4
    gave freedom to Eastern Europe!

    Then half of Eastern Europe washed her face with blood.
  34. faterdom
    faterdom 28 September 2017 09: 47
    +2
    That's when Trump will be able to ruin the United States (it is possible if he grapples seriously with Kim, and as a result - with the PRC), here and love him for health, even though all of America by all known methods.
  35. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 28 September 2017 09: 48
    +5
    freed his people from fear

    It turns out I was afraid all this time !!!
    and I thought I enjoyed life
  36. aszzz888
    aszzz888 28 September 2017 09: 49
    +4
    And again: “I categorically affirm that the collapse of the Soviet Union did not occur as a result of the development of perestroika in the country. To think so would be a major historical mistake. ”

    ... the historical mistake is that they don't judge you, CIA agent ... angry
  37. ver_
    ver_ 28 September 2017 09: 49
    +1
    Quote: Uncle Lee
    in the West, puzzled by the hostility in Russia to Gorbachev.
    - It's still put it mildly! Hatred - this is closer to the truth!

    ... even more correctly - hatred and contempt for this henpecked, and even the bribe taker ...
    1. DEPARTMENT
      DEPARTMENT 28 September 2017 10: 28
      +3
      Quote: ver_
      even more correctly - hatred and contempt for this henpecked, and even the bribe taker ...

      The henpecked and on Raika, too, the wine hangs, that bitch was still .. (she died a terrible death from cancer ..)

      Oh Russia ...
      Women not only destroy men, but entire countries .. hehe
  38. ver_
    ver_ 28 September 2017 10: 00
    +1
    Quote: bddrus
    I completely agree that the blame for the collapse rests with everyone, otherwise they are used to choosing a scapegoat. Gorbachev was weak and not ready to defend his position. Yes, remember how they rallied for Yeltsin-that is, Gorbachev did not have support, and Yeltsin, winged, took power and with the "colleagues" signed the collapse of the union, so that everyone would get a presidential chair. Would the police and Gorbachev’s army support? unlikely, but if supported, then he would quickly be renamed into dictators and those who now hang everything on him would moan about the "co-op" regime

    ... and who did not allow * the labeled * to put the drunk Yeltsin for the state. treason - conspiracy in the Bialowieza Forest - this was a sovereign crime .. * Tagged * cowardly - Gromyko’s mistake (his length) and the victim of a drunk midwife ..
    1. Scalpel
      Scalpel 28 September 2017 11: 34
      +1
      During the Bialowieza Gorbachev already left.
  39. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 28 September 2017 10: 02
    +1
    Gorbachev an interesting shot - the country was ruined by the Yeltsinoids. Well, yes, but where did they come from? And, in general, who anointed Tsar Boris to the kingdom? am

    It was necessary to say with the words of a famous character: "Borisku? To the kingdom? Guilty of death!" am
    1. Scalpel
      Scalpel 28 September 2017 11: 37
      0
      Where did you come from? Yes, Lenin and Stalin gave birth, where else! And the KGB did not just blink, but it helped them!
  40. Love is
    Love is 28 September 2017 10: 21
    +3
    All that Gorbache did-opened the curtain. Gave freedom. Gave a choice. He sincerely wanted to make peace with everyone. But was deceived. Yourself. He loved his country and his fellow citizens. He believed in man and in himself. But man is a lie. A person absorbs evil very quickly. Gorbachev did not know what good and evil were. Rather, he did not know that Good is one, and evil has a million guises. I did not know the Truth. And he opened this Pandora's box without suggesting how much anger and hatred in the Soviet people. In one, he was right. The fact that the USSR rotted from above. Like a dead fish. God Judge Michael. Guardian Angel Michael and his family. Amen.
    1. screw cutter
      screw cutter 28 September 2017 10: 55
      +2
      During the meeting with the “Iron Lady,” as Margaret Thatcher was then called, the incredible happened. Here is how the participant of this meeting Yakovlev described this episode in his memoirs “Omut Remembrance”: “The negotiations were sounding until Mikhail Sergeevich pulled out a General Staff card with all the vultures on the table in a narrow composition (I attended) secrecy, testifying that the card is genuine. It depicted the directions of missile attacks on Britain ... The prime minister examined the English cities, which were approached by arrows, but not rockets yet. Gorbachev interrupted the prolonged pause: “Madam Prime Minister, we must end all this, and as soon as possible.” “Yes,” replied Thatcher, somewhat confused. “Http: //sofya1444.livejournal.com/460304.h
      tml
  41. yehat
    yehat 28 September 2017 10: 34
    +8
    many pay attention to what happened already during the collapse, but it is worth remembering what Gorbachev did before, in a country still firmly on its feet. And then tell me if he tried to ruin her.
    I will list the solutions of Misha.
    the destruction of CMEA - the main mechanism opposing the economic isolation of the USSR or the Russian Federation.
    destruction of the Warsaw Pact
    a huge amount of financial abuse at the expense of the state, which amounts to trillions.
    changing the image of the nation instead of respected to shameful, because of which recently the Turks beat our tourists.
    catastrophic scrapping of the country's economy in many directions without replacing with something sane
    entering artificial shortages, creating a huge number of external gifts and debts
    it was under Gorbachev that the most cattle tradition of drinking was created anew — partly the production of high-quality wines, an absurd version of Prohibition, etc.
    legitimization of that layer of hucksters, crooks and bandits, fused with the new party financial elite, which was fought not only by the OBXSS in the USSR, but also in the west by the police and other institutions.
    as a result, the impoverishment of the country and its CMEA neighbors, the growth of chaos that created a bunch of conflicts and claimed millions of non-virtual lives, a catastrophic decline in fertility and increased mortality.
    The consequences of Gorbachev’s actions are several times higher than the results of the Second World War!
    It was he who brought to power cannibals like Chubais or Gaidar, who did not give a damn about those who "did not fit into the market." And yes, a person is just a darling ...
  42. Professor
    Professor 28 September 2017 10: 41
    +3
    Gorbachev and his activities are too early to evaluate. Not enough time has passed.

    Those who read that Gorbachev or Yeltsin destroyed the USSR are fundamentally mistaken. There was not and was not a person on the planet who possessed such power. The scoop was blown away by himself. He went into the sewer. And no one (absolutely no one) did not defend the Soviets. None of those who are pouring mud on Garbachev here called into the hands of the sickle-hammered red banner and did not go out into the street. All blundered "approvals." So blame yourself.

    Was it possible to save the scoop from the inevitable end? Not. It was possible to delay its inglorious end by tightening the nuts for ten years (ala North Korea) and pray for raising oil prices to astronomical 100 bucks per barrel. But this would not save him from death. Socialism and "communism" are not able to feed themselves. This is an axiom. Even the Chinese understood this and allowed capitalism to take off. However, this is another topic.
    1. BecmepH
      BecmepH 28 September 2017 13: 47
      +4
      Professor
      Gorbachev and his activities are too early to evaluate. Not enough time has passed.
      Well yes! You evaluate Putin’s activities today, but it’s too early to evaluate Gorbachev’s activities)))) Clowns ...
    2. Alex Justice
      Alex Justice 28 September 2017 15: 47
      +1
      I have no complaints against Gorbachev. I wanted the best, it didn’t work, I lost control.
      1. Pissarro
        Pissarro 29 September 2017 01: 52
        +2
        to the driver who threw the wheel, jumped out of the bus, which without control flew into the abyss with passengers, you also have no claims? wassat
    3. Doliva63
      Doliva63 28 September 2017 19: 46
      +13
      "Socialism and" communism "are not able to feed themselves. This is an axiom."
      Is there any help from the madhouse?
      1. ogi
        ogi 28 September 2017 22: 41
        +1
        Quote: Doliva63
        Is there any help from the madhouse?

        Who? You?
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 29 September 2017 06: 57
          0
          Yes, not the one who wrote nonsense about the axiom
          1. ogi
            ogi 29 September 2017 08: 00
            +1
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            Who wrote nonsense about the axiom

            Everything is written correctly. Socialism is a synonym for the words "deficit" or "hunger." Depending on the situation. The words prosperity and abundance do not correlate with the word socialism.
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 29 September 2017 08: 29
              +2
              Quote: ogi
              it is synonymous with deficit or hunger

              Yes?
              to remind you of the famine in the United States?
              Quote: ogi
              The words prosperity and abundance do not correlate with the word socialism.

              my parents were piggy engineers at home, in the refrigerator black caviar was in three-liter jars
              1. ogi
                ogi 29 September 2017 09: 39
                +1
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                to remind you of the famine in the United States?

                And in Zimbabwe?
                And here is the USA?
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                in the refrigerator black caviar was in three-liter jars

                Well, we’re all lying.
                Also, is that a sign of affluence?
                Their apartment was rented. There was no summer house, at most a piece of land for food. Machines most likely, if simple engineers, were not there either. Lived from payday to payday.
                Get rid of "wealth."
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 29 September 2017 10: 08
                  +1
                  Quote: ogi
                  And here is the USA?

                  mowing under a fool, you said that hunger is an integral part of socialism, I brought you an example of a developed capitalist country where there is hunger
                  Quote: ogi
                  Well, we’re all lying.

                  funny, but why do you think I'm lying? !!!!!
                  Quote: ogi
                  Lived from payday to payday.
                  Get rid of "wealth."

                  how do you know how anyone lived if you were not there? !!!
                  Quote: ogi
                  Their apartment was rented.

                  that is, you, in principle, do not know the living conditions in the USSR, but at the same time you undertake to reason
                  1. ogi
                    ogi 29 September 2017 11: 20
                    +1
                    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                    hunger is an integral part of socialism, I gave you an example of a developed capitalist country where there is hunger

                    1. The USA during the period of depression was not a developed capitalist country.
                    2. There was no famine in the USA. This is an invention of runet.
                    3. Hunger is not an exclusive feature of socialism alone. Many underdeveloped societies cannot feed their members.
                    After all, what is "socialism"?
                    This is a theocratic society with a slaveholding system of management, built on pseudo-religious principles.
                    What is "developed socialism"?
                    This is a theocratic society with a feudal economy, built on pseudo-religious principles.
                    Those. there is a lot of noise, and the essence is described by the usual classical political economy.
                    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                    how do you know how anyone lived if you were not there? !!!

                    Yeah. Unlike you, long before the collapse of the USSR, I managed to serve urgent.
                    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                    that is, you, in principle, do not know the living conditions in the USSR, but at the same time you undertake to reason

                    Removable, do not hesitate. At the state. Or do you seriously think that the apartments that "gave" were in the property of those to whom they were "given"?
                    It was only then that the "bad democrats" gave immovable property. And from the Bolsheviks figs you will wait. Only if they could take something away.
                    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 29 September 2017 12: 00
                      0
                      Quote: ogi
                      . The USA during the period of depression was not a developed capitalist country.

                      fool
                      Quote: ogi
                      There was no famine in the USA. This is an invention of runet.

                      Well, yes, and the civil war was for the abolition of slavery
                      Quote: ogi
                      Yeah. Unlike you, long before the collapse of the USSR, I managed to serve urgent.

                      then for what purpose are you lying
                      Quote: ogi
                      Removable, do not hesitate. At the state. Or do you seriously think that the apartments that "gave" were in the property of those to whom they were "given"?

                      if you lived then you are well aware that you are disingenuous
                      Quote: ogi
                      And from the Bolsheviks you will come. Only if they could take something away.
    4. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 29 September 2017 06: 57
      +4
      Quote: Professor
      Socialism and "communism" are not able to feed themselves. This is an axiom.

      and where is such idiocy written? !!!
      to substantiate something in a condition or the main thing to spoil the air ?!
      1. ogi
        ogi 29 September 2017 08: 20
        0
        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        the main thing is to spoil the air

        In your likeness?
        1. Professor
          Professor 1 October 2017 20: 10
          0
          Quote: ogi
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          the main thing is to spoil the air

          In your likeness?

          Do not argue with them. Useless. They love komunyak so much that they are ready to drop everything and move to a prosperous North Korea, a Cuban factory or a Chinese collective farm. They really will not have the Internet and other other bourgeois excesses there, but these are already details. wink
          On the road, prosperous North Korea.
  43. sauvage
    sauvage 28 September 2017 10: 44
    +4
    While he is still alive - it is necessary to show justice and punish him for life. And it turns out that you can ruin the country, make people poor and then live happily in the West and still say from there that he is not to blame.
  44. ogi
    ogi 28 September 2017 11: 02
    +1
    Quote: Oleg Chuvakin
    Hatred of Russians towards Gorbachev in the West is considered a “mystery”

    Well, let's say, part of the Russians. Those that "the owner" is easier and better. They feed and dress a little fig, but for free. Work, again, is not necessary, just go to work. Their physiological reasons are constantly decreasing. And soon enough only those who perceive Gorbachev with gratitude will remain. Better a terrible end than horror without an end.
    1. Pissarro
      Pissarro 29 September 2017 15: 12
      +1
      99% of Russians, regardless of their political preferences, have the same negative attitude towards Mecheny. Because a traitor in Russia is always worse than the enemy. Your dreams that they will all die out and only the lackeys of the West and parasites will remain untenable. Parasites can not create benefits, they can only live off the body, die on their own.
      1. ogi
        ogi 29 September 2017 22: 33
        0
        Quote: Pissarro
        99% of Russians, regardless of their political preferences, have the same negative attitude towards Mecheny.

        Opinion polls show other numbers.
        Quote: Pissarro
        Parasites can not create benefits, they can only live off the body, die on their own.

        Are you talking about the Bolsheviks?
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 30 September 2017 08: 12
          +1
          Quote: ogi
          Opinion polls show other numbers.

          numbers in the studio
  45. Vendora
    Vendora 28 September 2017 11: 08
    +3
    Quote: Love is
    All that Gorbache did-opened the curtain. Gave freedom. Gave a choice. He sincerely wanted to make peace with everyone. But was deceived. Yourself. He loved his country and his fellow citizens. He believed in man and in himself. But man is a lie. A person absorbs evil very quickly. Gorbachev did not know what good and evil were. Rather, he did not know that Good is one, and evil has a million guises. I did not know the Truth. And he opened this Pandora's box without suggesting how much anger and hatred in the Soviet people. In one, he was right. The fact that the USSR rotted from above. Like a dead fish. God Judge Michael. Guardian Angel Michael and his family. Amen.

    Citizen you are mistaken. Did you live at that time? What freedom, what curtain?
    1. alexhol
      alexhol 28 September 2017 12: 20
      -1
      Dear, maybe in Russia everything is really so bad that such a powerful nostalgia for the USSR? Come to us in Belarus.
  46. ver_
    ver_ 28 September 2017 11: 16
    +2
    Quote: Professor
    Gorbachev and his activities are too early to evaluate. Not enough time has passed.

    Those who read that Gorbachev or Yeltsin destroyed the USSR are fundamentally mistaken. There was not and was not a person on the planet who possessed such power. The scoop was blown away by himself. He went into the sewer. And no one (absolutely no one) did not defend the Soviets. None of those who are pouring mud on Garbachev here called into the hands of the sickle-hammered red banner and did not go out into the street. All blundered "approvals." So blame yourself.

    Was it possible to save the scoop from the inevitable end? Not. It was possible to delay its inglorious end by tightening the nuts for ten years (ala North Korea) and pray for raising oil prices to astronomical 100 bucks per barrel. But this would not save him from death. Socialism and "communism" are not able to feed themselves. This is an axiom. Even the Chinese understood this and allowed capitalism to take off. However, this is another topic.

    ... Putin pulled the country out of the abyss ..- no need to Gorbatov otmazyvat-against Putin's clinical
  47. ver_
    ver_ 28 September 2017 11: 20
    +2
    Quote: sauvage
    While he is still alive - it is necessary to show justice and punish him for life. And it turns out that you can ruin the country, make people poor and then live happily in the West and still say from there that he is not to blame.

    ..on his stake, for the edification of others, whose Schaub was not accustomed to reign so who took control of the scepter of power ..
    1. den3080
      den3080 28 September 2017 12: 38
      +2
      funny.
      All the rulers of Russia, during whose reign the territories were added, remain in the people's memory good (strong, worthy, harsh, but fair), no matter how they try to denigrate, defame them after their death,
      But those who lost territory - at least you won’t hear anything good, except that some details (I liked kitties, conditionally)
      From this statistical point of view)) neither the Gorbachev nor Yeltsin will get a bright memory of descendants.
      The Gorbachev Foundation and the Yeltsin Center will fall apart in the near future, the first of those mentioned almost immediately after its founder dies, the second - as soon as the GDP that resolves this matter (ugliness) goes to retire in gratitude for the succession.
  48. sogdy
    sogdy 28 September 2017 12: 06
    0
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    just the collapse of the USSR terribly affected economic activity

    Congratulations, noticed.
    The collapse of the USSR began in 1984. It became especially noticeable by 1987.
    All business agreements - intra-union, international - were carried out through the organs of the USSR, well, of course, control.
    And here the USSR becomes illegitimate on the basis of the absence of treaties defining its existence.
    You notice that the picture is the same, only in profile. And the details appear.
    Which empty cries just blur. Accidentally or intentionally?
    1. alexsipin
      alexsipin 28 September 2017 18: 26
      +3
      Quote: sogdy
      The collapse of the USSR began in 1984. It became especially noticeable by 1987

      The collapse of the country began after the reform of 61 years, when market prices became higher than store prices and a trade mafia began to form, which was sold by the state. products at market prices. By the year 80, the mafia had completely taken shape, into an all-encompassing system. Even Brezhnev’s daughter was engaged in buying and speculating in gold with her wife Shchelokova. Just think - the daughter of the Secretary General and the wife of the Minister of Internal Affairs are engaged in speculation. This is Ales, the head of the fish has rotted, the USSR could not help but fall apart. The Uzbek business was only the tip of the iceberg - the elite in the country has completely decayed, the collapse was not inevitable.
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 28 September 2017 19: 35
        +2
        Quote: alexsipin
        The collapse of the country began after the reform of 61 years

        the collapse began with the 20th Congress, it was there that the first stone was knocked out of the foundation
      2. Doliva63
        Doliva63 28 September 2017 19: 49
        +5
        In general, you are almost right with the date, but it’s not right to give out consequences for the reasons.
  49. Berkut24
    Berkut24 28 September 2017 12: 13
    +2
    Hatred of Russians towards Gorbachev in the West is considered a “mystery”

    They will understand this when Muslims in Germany take power and make Merkel another Prophet.
  50. stolz
    stolz 28 September 2017 12: 15
    +2
    Quote: Uncle Lee
    in the West, puzzled by the hostility in Russia to Gorbachev.
    - It's still put it mildly! Hatred - this is closer to the truth!

    Because of this ugly creature, I served for a whole year at the Central Exhibition Hall, in Czechoslovakia, and returned to the Union, to Far Eastern Military District. And why did he not die in infancy, and even better at birth ?!
    1. alexhol
      alexhol 28 September 2017 22: 06
      0
      Ha ha ha In the Czech Republic it is certainly better. "but this is our homeland, son." laughing