Ukraine allowed the assembly of Zenit missiles by Russia

27 September 2017

Ukraine theoretically allows for the final Russian assembly of Ukrainian Zenit launch vehicles at the launch site of the Sea Launch program, although this is very difficult to accomplish, a representative of the Ukrainian state-owned enterprise Yuzhmash said.

Theoretically this is possible, but very difficult. It is actually necessary to build a factory in order not only to carry out the final assembly of the engine and rocket equipment, but also to check the quality of the entire product.

- conveys his words TASS.

So he commented on the refusal of Russia from a complete set of Ukrainian Zenit launch vehicles.

Ukraine allowed the assembly of Zenit missiles by Russia

A company representative noted that the launch platform Sea Launch is deployed in the port of Long Beach (USA) and at the Baikonur launch complex, and it is very difficult to organize an assembly there - it is profitable only when ordering 20-30 engines. At the same time, according to him, “Russian colleagues are not enthusiastic about Russia's refusal to supply components to Yuzhmash.”

2 June was informed that under the Sea Launch project, Yuzhmash signed a contract for 12 launch vehicles Zenit with S7 Sea Launch Limited, registered in the United States.

However, Russia refused to supply Yuzhmash with components for missiles - control systems and the first stage engine, which will be delivered directly to the launch site, bypassing Ukraine.

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newcomer 27 September 2017 17: 14
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let them give the paid engines for the frigates, then blather something with a smart look. although here soon our engines will do.
1. kapitan92 27 September 2017 17: 22
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  No one is going to save the missile industry of the outskirts. Unfortunately, an order for Yuzhmash products is a necessary measure. In Russia, there are currently no missiles suitable for sea launches. Our experts are working on the Sunkar missile, but it will only be created in a few years. State funding for the project will begin in 2020.
  S7 Sea Launch Limited is indeed a Russian company that was created in the fall of 2016, when the S7 group signed a contract with Sea Launch to purchase the Sea Launch space-rocket complex. The subject of the transaction was the Sea Launch Commander, the Odyssey platform and ground equipment in the US port of Long Beach.
  Business is business. Money must be beaten off.
  1. newcomer 27 September 2017 17: 28
    
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    In this regard, I liked the last paragraph of the article. it’s even worse than just expressing distrust (to put it mildly).
    1. Shurik70 27 September 2017 17: 41
      
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      According to him, “Russian colleagues are not enthusiastic about Russia's refusal to supply components to Yuzhmash”
      
      Yes, we are generally not happy with the whole junta
      So would generally refuse contacts. But not all there Svidomo. I have to help people, put engines in place Ukrainian missile assemblies bypassing Ukraine (insanity in the world grows stronger). Not everyone can leave their homeland.
      1. cniza 27 September 2017 19: 05
        
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        Junts lead Ukraine to the African level.
    2. kapitan92 27 September 2017 20: 33
      
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      Quote: newbie
      In this regard, I liked the last paragraph of the article. it’s even worse than just expressing distrust (to put it mildly).
      
      The last phrase of my post: Business is business. Money must be beaten off.
      What didn’t you like? Distrust of what?
      The Russian company bought a sea launch. In practice, such purchases draw up money borrowed from banks — loans that need to be paid (repaid). The "owner" of the launch absolutely does not care what kind of media will work on the satellite output!
      Let me remind you that Yuzhmash was one of the shareholders of this sea launch.
      Please explain more clearly!
    3. kapitan92 27 September 2017 20: 44
      
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      Quote: newbie
      In this regard, I liked the last paragraph of the article. it’s even worse than just expressing distrust (to put it mildly).
      
      Mr. Novice, in my subsequent reply I did not understand the addressee. You did not quote the last paragraph of the article, but I did not pay attention and considered your post an answer to mine. To blame.
      With respect.
      1. newcomer 27 September 2017 21: 26
        
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        I just went to the site, read your comment, honestly I was a little surprised, from the next comment I understood you. with respect.
        
        kapitan92 27 September 2017 21: 30
        
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        Thank. All the best.
  2. pjastolov 27 September 2017 17: 50
    
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    No one is going to save the missile industry of the outskirts.
    why save?
    1. CooL_SnipeR 27 September 2017 18: 20
      
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      And then flat earth ends and voila - a rocket in space
  3. Shura Perm 27 September 2017 18: 31
    
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    Give them an engine, and then he accelerates North Korean or Iranian missiles ... it’s true that bypassing them, the engines will put ...
2. 79807420129 27 September 2017 17: 27
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  Theoretically this is possible, but very difficult. It is actually necessary to build a factory in order not only to carry out the final assembly of the engine and rocket equipment, but also to check the quality of the entire product.
  
  Interestingly, this representative of Yuzhmash is not aware that we are testing our own rocket engines, and not carrying Yuzhmash.
  At the same time, according to him, “Russian colleagues are not enthusiastic about Russia’s refusal to supply Yuzhmash components
  
  Yeah, they sleep and see: - "What can I do for Ukraine today?"
  Quote: Nashensky town
  Kaaaneshn, Yuzhmash is such an important link
  
  Of course the important His specialists are already collecting Eunu engines.
  1. Logall 27 September 2017 17: 32
    
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    Vlad !
    Eunu is good! Let them collect it. America is bad. Therefore, we collect ourselves so that they depend on us ...
    But in which case, you can stop.
  2. Nashensky city 27 September 2017 17: 46
    
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    Of course, important His specialists are already collecting Eunu engines.
    
    That’s what I look, he has fanned out. But it won’t be that it turns out he’s just fighting spirit rose from the presence of "unique" technologies of the "missile" power well tady krants mattresses
Blombir 27 September 2017 17: 18
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And they did it right that they refused. Dill in its role, the aggressor, give it, give it to you.
1. Logall 27 September 2017 17: 21
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  Quote: Blombir
  aggressor, give that, give that.
  
  And I will punish you for this under the door ...
  Neighbors
2. DenZ 27 September 2017 19: 36
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  Quote: Blombir
  And they did it right that they refused. Dill in its role, the aggressor, give it, give it
  
  As for Yuzhmash specifically, it’s basically very adequate and educated people who work there and many of them would be glad to see in Russian design bureaus (I know that for sure)
  1. Lganhi 28 September 2017 01: 12
    
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    Yeah, their CEO Kuchma was especially "adequate"
Nashensky city 27 September 2017 17: 20
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It is theoretically possible, but very difficult

Well, if they said that we will assemble it ourselves - it means we will assemble it ourselves, without the "great missile" power
According to him, “Russian colleagues are not enthusiastic about Russia's refusal to supply components to Yuzhmash”

Kaaaneshn, Yuzhmash is such an important link
Mavrikiy 27 September 2017 17: 21
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These hungry people should not stick a finger in their mouth, they will bite off at the elbow. Where they do not eat, they bite. The mentality.
Masya masya 27 September 2017 17: 37
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reminded ...

Itself, herself, herself ...
Old26 27 September 2017 17: 52
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Quote: 79807420129
Theoretically this is possible, but very difficult. It is actually necessary to build a factory in order not only to carry out the final assembly of the engine and rocket equipment, but also to check the quality of the entire product.

Interestingly, this representative of Yuzhmash is not aware that we are testing our own rocket engines, and not carrying Yuzhmash.
At the same time, according to him, “Russian colleagues are not enthusiastic about Russia’s refusal to supply Yuzhmash components

Yeah, they sleep and see: - "What can I do for Ukraine today?"
Quote: Nashensky town
Kaaaneshn, Yuzhmash is such an important link

Of course the important His specialists are already collecting Eunu engines.

You can test the engines at least two hundred times. But the final assembly and testing of the Zenit launch vehicle took place at Yuzhmash. And the writer is right. If we want to launch Zenit rockets, we will be forced to build a plant for the final assembly and testing of products.
In this case, whether we like it or not, Yuzhmash is really an important link if we want to exploit the Sea Launch not in 2022-2025, but now

Quote: Blombir
And they did it right that they refused. Dill in its role, the aggressor, give it, give it to you.

Of course it’s right that they refused. Another 5-7 years, “Sea Launch” will rust at the pier, and competitors will come up with something. After which the Sea Launch will be superfluous. After all, the main thing is "dill" do not give anything. You are like that collective farmer who caught a goldfish and demanded that his neighbor have everything doubled. "I will gouge out an eye - the neighbor has two eyes"
You can score on Yuzhmash for political reasons. But now is not the time to “fingers fan” and say that everyone does not care, and we will not deal with Ukrainians. Now it’s more expensive for yourself ...

Quote: Nashensky city
It is theoretically possible, but very difficult

Well, if they said that we will assemble it ourselves - it means we will assemble it ourselves, without the "great missile" power
According to him, “Russian colleagues are not enthusiastic about Russia's refusal to supply components to Yuzhmash”

Kaaaneshn, Yuzhmash is such an important link

As in such cases they say: "But xp ... n all over the face." We are not able to collect the “Zenith”. We need to build a technological chain so that this can be done. And "something" from this chain is being done in Ukraine. And remodel Zenit for yourself - it’s easier to make Falcon in 5 years
1. VadimSt 27 September 2017 18: 24
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  Partnership with Bendery Usraina, Russia, probably already ate! It’s not twice or thrice, on occasion, to step on a rake, it is to stand still and stomp on them, trying to dodge another blow to the head. Masochism, and even at his own expense - in the trash!
2. marshes 27 September 2017 18: 28
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  Quote: Old26
  And remodel Zenit for yourself - it’s easier to make Falcon in 5 years
  
  Do not think that this is an attack from the Ukrainian side, so that the launch pad for SUNKAR is not altered, a kind of proposal to fit into the program that will appear soon.
3. 79807420129 27 September 2017 18: 34
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  Quote: Old26
  You can score on Yuzhmash for political reasons. But now is not the time to “fingers fan” and say that everyone does not care, and we will not deal with Ukrainians. Now it’s more expensive for yourself ...
  
  Well, then what? Substitute the right cheek for spitting. For God's sake, substitute yours if you are pleased. For the sake of Ukrainians we will not build our own.
  Quote: Old26
  And remodel Zenit for yourself - it’s easier to make Falcon in 5 years
  
  So you gave the answer.
  Quote: Old26
  We need to build a technological chain so that this can be done. And "something" from this chain is being done in Ukraine.
  
  Just like them, the process is reciprocal and we did not start it.
  1. antivirus 27 September 2017 19: 09
    
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    IF THEY-COHLES-- A SEPARATE SOVEREIGN AND THE ENEMY FOR THEM - a small dirty trick of the gdp, THEN LET BE UNDERSTANDED IN OUR POLITICS - we dare not climb.
    their own, pro-Russian should be supported, but mainly - THE GREAT Ukrainians MUST DEFINE "WHO YOU ARE MASTERS OF ARTS WITH?"
    IN DNIPROPETROVSK AND DR, ON THE COOPERATION CHAIN, MUCH AGAINST US AND GDP. We slaw soup cabbage --- LET GOLDEN SPOONS EAT YOUR BORCH
  2. SpaceCom 27 September 2017 19: 15
    
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    This, of course, you correctly disassembled. There is one But! The development of the Zenith was carried out in the Design Bureau of the South. And the whole ideology is from there. And the Samara Progress, which took upon itself the development of Union 5 (Sunkar), the bearer of a completely different ideology. But the task (and this is the first time) is to develop a carrier for an existing start. And oh, how difficult! Now, if the specialists from the South had been lured ... But then China and Korea worked faster
Ulan 27 September 2017 18: 51
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Well, thanks for allowing, otherwise we suffered so much, suffered so without their permission.
Maybe they are out of kindness and will allow Russia to exist in general?
den3080 27 September 2017 18: 52
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But now is not the time to “fingers fan” and say that everyone does not care, and we will not deal with Ukrainians. Now it’s more expensive for yourself ...

and when "imagine it" will be cheaper? when will the "then" time?

here it is: oh we do not need! what for? it is expensive and inefficient, especially now, well, out of place! better buy from ... further down the list ... usa, france, germany - you can even list "purchases", from the last ... paid by Russia, failed (before the usual scam) and turned into a terrible crap for a refund.

the aviation industry (at least civilian aircraft manufacturing), shipbuilding, mechanical engineering (tractors, machine tools) were ruined under this mound of "effective managers" ... but it doesn’t count.
the defense industry and military education are almost ruined ... Mr. Serdyukov (effective manager) stated: why do we need it? there are successful foreign military educational institutions - west point, for example ... although our green men (as his chill called military personnel) may not be worthy of a west point.

now we have to restore, catch up, with enormous labor and money.
She died, she died (Yuzhmash, Ukraine). Why resurrect? There will be no good.

Maybe I don’t understand what? explain.
Old26 27 September 2017 18: 58
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Quote: Old26
And remodel Zenit for yourself - it’s easier to make Falcon in 5 years

Do not think that this is an attack from the Ukrainian side, so that the launch pad for SUNKAR is not altered, a kind of proposal to fit into the program that will appear soon.

I don’t know, but in any case, SUNKAR will not take off in the next 3-5 years. Okay, the launcher on the 45th site can now be redone, and after 3 years. There are other sites on Baikonur. But the Sea Launch will be a dead weight all these years, if there are no Zenit
Малый 27 September 2017 19: 42
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you would think that without Ukraine our missiles did not fly? !!!! Or Ukrainian will fly ??? Kaklov will not succeed ... Kakland without an Donbass is an agrarian country .. and nothing more ...
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Quote: Old26
And remodel Zenit for yourself - it’s easier to make Falcon in 5 years

Do not think that this is an attack from the Ukrainian side, so that the launch pad for SUNKAR is not altered, a kind of proposal to fit into the program that will appear soon.

I don’t know, but in any case, SUNKAR will not take off in the next 3-5 years. Okay, the launcher on the 45th site can now be redone, and after 3 years. There are other sites on Baikonur. But the Sea Launch will be a dead weight all these years, if there are no Zenit

If something happens when the rocket is launched, well, there is a short flight, a flight ...
Who will they hang all the dogs on? And who will scream the loudest?
Such a development was not expected?
Old26 27 September 2017 20: 32
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Well, then what? Substitute the right cheek for spitting. For God's sake, substitute yours if you are pleased. yes For the sake of Ukrainians we will not build our own.

No need to be at the same time, sorry URAKOLOY. Do you want further FURTHER FAILURE Russia in the space industry - continue to fuss and talk about cheeks, spitting, and the like.
If I knew, then SANKAR - it is too NOT OWN. This is a joint with Kazakhstan. Yet again NOT PURE OURso it’s not worth being holier than the pope.

If this is necessary (and this is necessary, because the absence of "ZENITH" is a multimillion-dollar loss), we must cooperate. Including with Ukraine. Conclude an agreement with draconian conditions in case of violation of the agreement by Ukraine. If necessary - even let it be THE THIRD SIDE

Quote: 79807420129
So you gave the answer.

This is not an answer yet. These are intentions. How much SANKAR will be through is not yet known. In the meantime, he will appear - a dozen Zeniths in question - will not be superfluous

Quote: 79807420129
We need to build a technological chain so that this can be done. And "something" from this chain is being done in Ukraine.
Just like them, the process is reciprocal and we did not start it.

While we need it more than they do. We depend on them, and not vice versa. Ukraine does not launch carriers - we launch

Quote: den3080
and when "imagine it" will be cheaper? when will the "then" time?

It will be cheaper only after developing your own carrier. Not earlier

Quote: den3080
here it is: oh we do not need! what for? it is expensive and inefficient, especially now, well, out of place! better buy from ... further down the list ... usa, france, germany - you can even list "purchases", from the last ... paid by Russia, failed (before the usual scam) and turned into a terrible crap for a refund.

In this case, the only effective option for us is to work with Yuzhmash on ZENIT. There is no other option. Otherwise, for a decade, the Sea Launch we bought will stand idle and bring only losses. So what? "To spite grandmother's ears frostbite"?

Quote: den3080
the aviation industry (at least civilian aircraft manufacturing), shipbuilding, mechanical engineering (tractors, machine tools) were ruined under this mound of "effective managers" ...

It's about the space industry. And there is something else

Quote: den3080
the defense industry and military education are almost ruined ... Mr. Serdyukov (effective manager) stated: why do we need it? there are successful foreign military educational institutions - west point, for example ... although our green men (as his chill called military personnel) may not be worthy of a west point.

You don’t have to lead everything to one thing ... In the short term, Serdyukov’s reforms for the most part had a negative result. What's in the long term - let's see

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now we have to restore, catch up, with enormous labor and money.
She died, she died (Yuzhmash, Ukraine). Why resurrect? There will be no good.
Maybe I don’t understand what? explain.

One way or another will have to catch up. Sorry we missed the time. Yu The biggest minus of our space programs is confusion and reeling. We accept the project, then abandon it, then replace it. We do not have that stability in our projects, as in the same China, France, and the USA. And in some situation it is necessary to compromise even with such a partner as Ukraine. We had a single industry and that would not talk about the current state of the Ukrainian part of the industry - we CONNECTED...
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2. marshes 27 September 2017 21: 15
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  If I knew, then SANKAR is also NOT OWN. This is a joint with Kazakhstan.
  
  SUNKAR-Sokol according to your opinion. A small eagle, though not Golden Eagle, is a heavyweight, cops with a wolf, a carcass sometimes happens over 20 kg.
3. slipped 28 September 2017 03: 45
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  Here the problem is not that Russia does not want, the problem is that Ukraine can no longer. She cannot pay for the equipment already delivered, she does not want to give the equipment already paid, her leadership is directly forbidden to work with Russia, and if their oligarchs are still trying to secretly do something together, then Semenchenko is quickly at them.
Lganhi 28 September 2017 03: 55
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I, too, were lordly allowed to build Ukrainian missiles by Russia. Ugh on you, on European Zimbabwe! They still consider themselves to be the navel of the Earth, still consider themselves to be the breadbasket and nurse of Russia, as was said about them in the USSR. It’s just that there was no breadbasket and nurse of the USSR, on the contrary, it fed the RSFSR: