The timing of the first Su-57 flight with new engines has become known.

Deputy Defense Minister Yury Borisov said that the fifth flight of the fifth-generation Su-57 fighter with new engines, designed specifically for this vehicle, will take place this fall.

According to him, promising aviation the front-line aviation complex is already ready for mass production today.

The aircraft confirmed a number of flight tactical characteristics that we present to it. New engines will provide him with supersonic cruising speed

- told Yuri Borisov in an interview with the newspaper "Military-Industrial Courier" -

At the same time, the adoption of one type of weapon or another requires the conduct of state tests, the first stage of which is coming to an end. Of course, there is still work to be done at the second stage; it will show the real readiness for release.

Recall now Su-57 flies on the intermediate engine AL-41Ф1, an upgraded version of the power units for the Su-27 family. The new engine, known as the “30 product”, will have increased thrust to 17,5 - 19,5 tons and increased fuel efficiency. It is with him that the aircraft will be launched into mass production.

The first deliveries of a super modern fighting vehicle to the troops should begin in 2018, reports WG-Force

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[Firework]

Su-57 is a long time, so it is better to bring to the required level of reliability, and then let them into a large series.

[DEPARTMENT]

Well, not bad ... We all look forward to!
In a combat situation I would try it out! Then garno will be

[Thrall]

It is strange why Rogozin did not voice this news? Or is it not his scale

[Nashensky city]

Rogozin no longer has confidence

[iConst]

Quote: Nashensky city

Rogozin no longer has confidence

It’s just not his profile - to freeze a thread about trampolines or attach a relative to the director, yes. And here...

[yehat]

but was it, trust?

[Igor V]

Quote: Nashensky city

Rogozin no longer has confidence

If there is no trust in the chairman of the military-industrial complex, then who is there then ?!

[210ox]

Yes, to feed breakfast is his privilege. But when he flies, then we’ll discuss it.

Quote: Thrall

It is strange why Rogozin did not voice this news? Or is it not his scale

[DEPARTMENT]

Quote: Thrall

It is strange why Rogozin did not voice this news? Or is it not his scale

Thrall will stop mocking ... hehe he Rogozin, of course, he talks a lot of superfluous, but in essence he’s right, all the same .. His chatter brings panic to Western partners .. ha ha ha! Is it bad?
We have enough whiners in abundance!

[okko077]

No, they snore much more ....

[ZVO]

Quote: Thrall

It is strange why Rogozin did not voice this news? Or is it not his scale

Because. that nobody else believes all the other newsmakers talking about PAK-FA Su-57 ....

[jjj]

The good news is that everything is going on routine, without triumphant broadcasts for another anniversary.

[Thrall]

Quote: jjj

for another anniversary

Hinting at the warehouses near Vinnitsa for Poroshenko’s day?

[helmi8]

Quote: DEPARTMENT

In a combat situation I would try it out!

Where? This is a fighter with whom to conduct a real air battle?

[figwam]

Quote: helmi8

Where? This is a fighter with whom to conduct a real air battle?

This is not a fighter, this is an aviation complex, it should work on the ground.

[79807420129]

Well, thank God

[Hagalaz]

Still with AFAR to resolve the issue as soon as possible.

[Voyager]

What is his question with AFAR?

[Muvka]

And what is wrong with AFAR?

[Hagalaz]

Quote: Muvka

And what is wrong with AFAR?

There are flaws with which the series can not go. Now eliminated.

[Muvka]

What are the flaws? The T-50-9 is already flying - and the final version of the electronics is being taken from it. I think AFAR refers to electronics.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Hagalaz

Still with AFAR to resolve the issue as soon as possible.

And why did you get the idea that the SU-57 has any problems with AFAR? It was recently clearly stated that all the avionics of the SU-57 is ready and already stands on it. At the same time, work is underway to create ROFAR ... by the way, it is still not clear how many radars will be on the SU-57 ... three and five or even more have been announced.

[Voyager]

About three did not hear, by the way, only about five at least. But the topic with ROFAR is stalled, I think it is still a promising future and not very close.

[voyaka uh]

"And where did you get the idea that the SU-57 has any problems with AFAR?" ////

The question is posed differently: is there an AFAR or not an AFAR?

[Voyager]

An official clearly stated several years ago that samples were already being tested.

[Bronevick]

For a long time this is the Su-27,30,35. Su-57, as it should be in Russia, will make 20 to 2025 pieces and will beat themselves in the chest, which is a super weapon that has no analogues in the world and in general the Khan’s amerikos. That Armata, that the Su-57 will be piece pieces for a very long time.

[polev66]

and there’s Alyoshka and ducks - it’s also a long time to poke on YouTube

[Thrall]

Quote: Bronevick

That Armata, that the Su-57 will be piece pieces for a very long time.

Maybe, in general, produce "products" one at a time, but with maximum power?

[Yuyuka]

Quote: Thrall

Quote: Bronevick

That Armata, that the Su-57 will be piece pieces for a very long time.

Maybe, in general, produce "products" one at a time, but with maximum power?

as I understand this is the first modification, the next with wings

[Lycan]

... with a long beak and strong, ostrich-like legs.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Salute

Su-57 is a long time, so it is better to bring to the required level of reliability, and then let them into a large series.

Declared for the next 50 years. Regarding reliability and bring ... the fighting machine is brought and improved throughout its life. There are many examples ... take at least the SU-27 of the first batch and compare it with the SU-35S ...

[Shadow shooter]

Faster! Waiting, Waiting, Waiting

[210ox]

Don’t you be “waiting” Calm, only calm! (As Carlson bequeathed to us)

Quote: Shadow shooter

Faster! Waiting, Waiting, Waiting

[figwam]

I can’t even believe it, will we really see it this fall !?

[pjbunny]

and the engines should be open from above as in the photo? who will understand this question, answer.

[Hagalaz]

This is such a coloring). Engines as it should be inside the airframe. Outside, only nozzles.

[Orel]

Quote: Hagalaz

This is such a coloring). Engines as it should be inside the airframe. Outside, only nozzles.

Interestingly, with thermal noise from the engine and its shielding. According to F-22, this was decided by the materials of the blades and by "drowning" the engine in the airframe. Judging by the layout of our "drying" the problem of thermal noise for the aircraft remains serious. Engine nacelles are open. In terms of stealth, this is a problem.

[Voyager]

It has been discussed many times, the engines are separated, which leads to an increase in dispersion

[Orel]

Quote: Voyager

It has been discussed many times, the engines are separated, which leads to an increase in dispersion

The question is to what extent. Of course, I am not an engineer, but I think that in the USA, the experts in the design of the engines arranged the engines for nothing, this is clearly to the detriment of maneuverability, but in order to increase stealth in the thermal spectrum. It turns out that our aircraft is maneuverable, but much more noticeable in the thermal spectrum. What is more effective in the end: maneuverability or stealth. You can not say. No one checked.

[Voyager]

Quote: Orel

What is more effective in the end: maneuverability or stealth.

This is also an ancient question)) I am not an engineer either, but in rough language, in my opinion the Americans have relied on the “shot and forgot” concept, being sure that stealth technologies will remain a panacea, but, apparently, modern radars calmly catch all these comrades at fairly large distances and are constantly being upgraded. Engines and Su-57 as they are, and F-22 engines will still glow brightly, although these are much lower. If the rocket enters, these measures to reduce the thermal spectrum will not stop it. So while we are seeing a compromise, yes, but having its advantages. Over-maneuverability gives another chance to the common piggy bank to survive.

[Orel]

Quote: Voyager

but, apparently, modern radars calmly catch all these comrades at fairly large distances and at the same time are constantly upgrading.

If everything were so, then there would be no need for us to make a stealth aircraft. The point of spending money, if you can still see it from a long distance. I think that you are not quite right here. To see one thing, and to point another weapon. If the signal from the target is unstable, it is lost and appears, then missile weapons may not be easily aimed at such a target. It is clear that there is nothing completely invisible, but the question is different. The capabilities and effectiveness of the use of weapons for such complex goals.

[aKtoR]

In principle, Voyager is right. This topic has already been discussed many times ... When you talk about an unobtrusive plane, what kind of detection system do you mean? Probably infrared and radar)))
In the radar range, the aircraft is detected earlier than in the thermal one. The complex under discussion is designed to detect and launch missiles on a target, until its detection by the enemy. When an adversary detects a complex, the main emphasis is on maneuvering care using various countermeasure systems. Melee is the last chance. We have fewer aircraft and we will take care of them)))
Of course, the plane will soon be taught to fly and use aircraft weapons and equipment. But in order to become an airplane of conquering air supremacy, you need up to 5 years. Until that time, mass deliveries of the complex are not advisable. A small number of aircraft is enough for summer centers, and later for 1-2 schools.

[Voyager]

Quote: Orel

If everything were so, then there would be no need for us to make a stealth aircraft.

So how is that? Understand that the need to improve all the parameters of a fighter is always there, the question of priorities. Stealth is not a panacea. Measures to reduce visibility on the fighter were carried out very seriously (the glider itself in the first place), but not to the detriment of maneuverability. That is what I wanted to tell you :)

[aKtoR]

You are right, we see part of the engine turbine, afterburner and nozzle. Can not see only the compressor

[pvv113]

The first deliveries of an ultramodern combat vehicle to the troops should begin in 2018,

And then there will be ballots for improvements

[helmi8]

Quote: pvv113

And then there will be ballots for improvements

And it always has been, is and will be ...

[pvv113]

Yes, this is already an established practice. Only in operation, it is possible to identify shortcomings that are invisible in production, as well as optimize any characteristics, including ergonomic

[Mar.Tirah]

Finally, they gave birth to tell the good news. But now there will be a second stage of testing. This time the engine. I hope not very long but with high quality, without bureaucratic delays and the next pulling of money from the budget.

[Egorovich]

The good news is balm for the soul.

[210ox]

This news would be good about two years ago. What are the dates then to remind?

Quote: Egorovich

The good news is balm for the soul.

[Egorovich]

Everything has its time. F-35 showed its haste in all its glory. And still does not actively fly, although many are already buying a pig in a poke. But Russia is not really running out of time. SU-35, SU-34, SU-30 are successfully operated, MIG-35 is practically on the wing. The future is very decent. So all is not bad.

[ZVO]

Quote: Egorovich

Everything has its time. F-35 showed its haste in all its glory. And still does not actively fly, although many are already buying a pig in a poke.

How many hundreds of thousands of flying hours does the F-35 have?
You yourself do not want to see what would not carry nonsense ???

[Nashensky city]

this fall, the first flight of a fifth-generation fighter Su-57 with new engines

Is this really going to happen !? Yes, and this year!

[Zaurbek]

On such an engine would be a light fighter ....

[Zaurbek]

Interestingly, they solved the issue with the restriction of overload in 9g?

[lance]

???? question about the plane or the pilot. airplane over 15g. light is the instant 35. su on light fighters has not been qualified for 30 years.

[Zaurbek]

On the early T-50s, it seemed that before the 8th instance there were questions about the strength of the airframe (due to the weapons compartment), then the modified fuselage went from 8 or 9 ...

[Gransasso]

"In our opinion, in the current configuration, the fighter will complete tests in the next year or two," Mikheev said after the awards ceremony for the annual V.A. Revunova at MSTU. "



In the current configuration .... means with engines, avionics, radars, etc. 4 generations .... and then after 2 years

[Firework]

Quote: Zaurbek

On such an engine would be a light fighter ....

By the way, yes! a fighter of the same generation as the Su-57 but lightweight, the same with the use of stealth, but that would be noticeably cheaper than the Su-57. for potential buyers this option would be interesting and not so expensive

[Zaurbek]

Moreover, due to the development of technology and a later design period, the number of composites can be increased. As a result, thrust-to-weight ratio can be maintained

[Firework]

you mean single engine l. fighter?

[Zaurbek]

Yes, with one engine.

[senima56]

This "buttock" with the SU-57, it seems, will last a long time! Either "new weapons", then "new avionics", then "new engine" ... While they are experiencing one thing, a "new" other appears! And what? Money is flowing! Comfortable guys!

[bulvas]

Quote: senima56

And what? Money is flowing! Comfortable guys!

Yes, they didn’t call you under the trickle of money
You would have brought everything to mind in a couple of months and provided the VKS with thousands of newest machines

[lance]

do you need f-35, more than 100 in part-time combat readiness and other restrictions?

[Zaurbek]

But the Su-57 will be in service not for 30 years, as well as the F-35 ... and 50-70 years with constant modernization. So both engines and avionics are far from the latest options.

[Firework]

The Su-27 has been in service for 30 years and it can serve another 10, so the Su-57 may well last half a century and will become one of the last manned fighters

[Zaurbek]

Sukhoi-27/30/34/35 quite 20-30 years still serve. Taking into account the inheritance in technologies from the T-50 (engine, avionics, weapons). They will simply be used on secondary TVDs. And they are supposed to be replaced by a light medium fighter in the future.

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: Lance

do you need f-35, more than 100 in part-time combat readiness and other restrictions?

It’s just that they have a “series” and ours are an order of magnitude different, that's more than 100. When the car is licked, the serial production will be debugged, and the errors are not critical, because the customer is not going to refuse from F, but on the contrary plans to buy more.

[Zaurbek]

When the Su-57 will be on the conveyor, it will also be brought to the "mind." The 5th generation avionics is very difficult ...

[quote]

Quote: senima56

This "buttock" with the SU-57, it seems, will last a long time! Either "new weapons", then "new avionics", then "new engine" ... While they are experiencing one thing, a "new" other appears! And what? Money is flowing! Comfortable guys!

What a healthy envy, at the level of stupidity.

[Alexey-74]

Look forward to! Good luck to all participants.

[Chukcha]

"... thrust will be increased to 17,5 - 19,5 tons ..." - a pretty decent range of parameters.

[Alexander War]

This is all good, but for now you need a Su-27na Su-35S

[Best]

1. Is the manufacture and production of this complex relevant at the time when the SU-30, SU-35, SU-34 and other modifications are successfully solving the problems that arise, including with the F-35? Is it appropriate? Suppose they invest a huge pile of money, release a large batch of these complexes, and what will they do?
2. Of course, a small batch is needed, but only for the training of pilots and for the further improvement of the aircraft;
3. It must be assumed that our scientists, designers, and military are well aware of the main characteristics of the F-35 and others, and comparing the characteristics of the SU-57 that are not made public, they are in no hurry, because for the fight against the F-35, etc., there is already in operation and has perfectly recommended self technique.
4. At present, the MiG-31 is in operation and its modifications are capable of supporting safety in the field of their destination up to 800-900 km in pairs. and still ahead of the most advanced developments in the world, as a minimum, by 15 years. There are not so many of them, but a larger number is not needed.
5. Other relevant tasks are also facing the RF Ministry of Defense, the solution of which will require financial investments, and the SU-57 already exists, it flies beautifully, ahead of the F-35 and let it be finalized, modernized, this is only a gain.

[aKtoR]

It makes sense, very relevant. but it takes time to surpass

[Corsair0304]

Listen, well, things are moving slowly and let them move. Airplanes are a leisurely affair. The fighters available and under construction for current tasks are quite enough. As for the SU-57, let them bring it to their minds than to adopt a crude version.

[Retvizan 8]

First deliveries in 2018. This is good! What is not in the year 2050.

[ver_]

Quote: Salute

Su-57 is a long time, so it is better to bring to the required level of reliability, and then let them into a large series.

... the scribe to everything - you can’t believe it already ..., you really didn’t get it ..., however, 2018 is the same of 12 months .., maybe in December 2018 it’s the same thing - to take off ...

[ver_]

Quote: rudolff

Who says what. One is one, the other is another.

Tests of the promising fifth-generation Su-57 fifth-generation fighter can be completed within two years, Vladimir Mikheev, adviser to the first deputy director of the Radioelectronic Technologies Concern, told RNS.
"In our opinion, in the current configuration, the fighter will complete tests in the next year or two," Mikheev said after the awards ceremony for the annual V.A. Revunova at MSTU.
"After the delivery of the first production vehicles to the troops, the trial operation phase will begin. Now the fighters have been handed over to the Ministry of Defense and are at the testing ground," Mikheev noted. “According to the results of the pilot operation, modernization of the aircraft will immediately begin,” he added.

..on it could be a tan in two years to collapse under the strict guidance of Trump - it Bolivar cannot take two democrats and republicans away - it’s a shame that there’s no one to give the cookie to anyone ..

[Bert]

Quote: DEPARTMENT

Quote: Thrall

It is strange why Rogozin did not voice this news? Or is it not his scale

Thrall will stop mocking ... hehe he Rogozin, of course, he talks a lot of superfluous, but in essence he’s right, all the same .. His chatter brings panic to Western partners .. ha ha ha! Is it bad?
We have enough whiners in abundance!

A whiner is when everything is fine and something bothers him. That's when our media write that our SU 57 completely passed all the tests and the first batch of 600 aircraft arrived at the HF to replace obsolete models, and then those who are dissatisfied can be attributed to whiners. In the meantime, we are talking about prototypes in the amount of 2 pieces, then the big question is whether they will go into series and where. I'm not talking about simulating aerial combat Su 57 and F 35. to compare their quality characteristics in aerial combat. Who is against the strong, well-trained modern army armed with modern technology?

[dvvv]

What the engines do is great! New engines, if they do well, there is considerable progress, but the success of the Su-57 itself depends primarily on avionics and armaments, and of everything that follows with its use. It is very expensive and difficult and whether Russia will pull such an expensive pleasure is not a fact. The defense budget is being cut, reserve funds are melting, import substitution is impossible ... alas. They will do something, but much in any way due to the loss of competencies in many areas and sanctions, so that the downward movement will continue. The legacy of the Union is consumed and lagging behind in astronautics, aviation, science, and many branches of technology began. The integration of financial and economic and technical into the economy of the West deprived Russia of its independence and independence, because we have what we have and will have to become a third-rate power like Spain. Losses will be suffered first of all by the elites, and ordinary people will have to survive the falls that have already happened. the world economy of the strong is experiencing weakened Russia, even with the Su-57, even without it.

[V. shooter]

Quote: dvvv

the world economy of the strong is experiencing weakened Russia, even with the Su-57, even without it.

God will not betray, the pig will not eat.
So, do not worry about us, and it didn’t.

[Vladimir SHajkin]

No need to hurry, but still hurry. It's time to release it in a series