Nemok, say, raped?

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Nemok, say, raped?


The fact that there was a village here is only reminded by large, half-ruined and mud-smoked mud-brick kilns with wide open mouths and square eye sockets standing like monuments over graves.



Burned black skeletons of age-old trees crowded around the stoves, resembling unhappy people with arms outstretched up, and as if they were turning to the Almighty, begging for mercy from him, but without waiting for it, they burned down and are now so frozen that everyone can see and see , that there is never any God in the sky and there is not! ...

Around here, homemade iron beds with openwork, curved backs, bent in the conflagration, are lying around the stoves. There are also large and small cast-iron and clay pots. And on the sides and in front of the stoves, through the soot, naive and amusing pictures written in chemical ink are viewed: “Sunflower Baskets”, “A Litter with My Divchina”, “Kittens with a Ball”, “Fighting Roosters” and “Chickers with Chickens” ... We are slowly moving along the street.

In the center of the village, as in any, stands the crane with a high raised empty wooden bucket. We hurried to the well, hoping to take a sip of fresh and cool water ... We lower the wooden tub down. The bucket hits something incomprehensible, but not on the water surface, as if the well had dried. We take out the bucket and see blood on it ... Everything is clear, the Germans dropped corpses into the well ...

Not far from the well, the corpses of completely naked women and even young girls are again visible. We covered them with our cloaks and went, completely depressed, on ...

In one of the stoves, I saw a large and slightly scorched gray cat. He lies on his stomach in a classic pose, picking up his paws and putting a bushy tail next to him. His sad look is completely indifferent to the whole world.

The cat does not pay any attention to me and is not going to run away. I had a doubt: “Is he alive?” And suddenly I saw tears flow from his eyes. So, alive ... I really wanted to stroke this cat, but I did not dare, because I did not deserve it ...

At the end of the ashes, we saw an almost ghostly female figure that suddenly appears in the smoke and also disappears. She, apparently, has long been waiting for us here at the edge of the road. We approach it closely and stop ... The woman, even to the extreme, is exhausted, but stands straight. Her ash-gray, thick and wavy hair, to the waist, suggests that she is still young. Her head and face are parchment skin stretched over the skull. Pointed and thin nose-beak and deep-down eyes, powerless lowered bony arms and legs-matches suggest that we face a man who came out to meet us from the next world. We are afraid to ask her about anything because life is barely warm in her. One of the elderly infantrymen, who still has water, pours it into a glass and serves it to her. She took the cup in her thin and trembling fingers and slowly drank it with pleasure. Then she returned the empty cup, saying in syllables: "Spa-si-bo-chki, but you are late." Having uttered these words, she fell into the arms of the infantryman, who stood closest to her. Her head hung back with her eyes open, and her arms hung like empty sleeves. We realized that she was dead ...

Finally, we were on the outskirts of the village and thought that everything was over. But the worst thing we saw only here. Here they are - all the inhabitants, from young to old, lie near the road. The infantrymen, exposing their heads, slowly move past the several hundred women, old people and children who have been shot. We are heavy and ashamed. I cry bitterly, choking with anger and rage. In my thoughts I swear to avenge the Vlasovites and Fritz for this atrocity! And I will perform it very soon! ”
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  1. +33
    25 September 2017
    ... one episode of a terrible war ... and how many were there in 1418 days and nights? ...
    1. +43
      25 September 2017
      It is impossible to read about this abuse and genocide of invaders against Soviet people and the Russian people - tears pour out of our eyes - but we must read and know about it so that it never happens again on our earth.
      1. +22
        25 September 2017
        Whoever has anyone to learn from, let them at least read.
        Near my village on the other side of the field was another one the same. 14-year-old boys made a slingshot of car rubber and a piece of brick successfully hit the German. They killed. Mother said that for this the Germans themselves burned the whole village with the living people. I have little doubt that the Germans began to wait for the Einsatz group - those who acted a little further. Just next door in the city was the Magyar division and the GFP (field Gestapo). They, in addition to robbery and looting, did just that.
        A little further from us, closer to the forest zone, where there was a partisan power with airfields, etc., the Magyars led by the Gestapo made a safety belt - they burned in a wide strip along the entire border of the forest zone all villages with people. Someone managed to escape, but the majority of those who lived there at that time were burned or, at best, shot. And the Hitlerites and the Magyars did this under the civilized European Jesuit demagogy, which, they say, were all partisans and accomplices of the partisans, and what, they say, we are great warriors, how many partisans won without losses at once, they say, completely overpowered.
      2. +8
        25 September 2017
        Quote: Tatiana
        It is impossible to read about this abuse and genocide of invaders against Soviet people and the Russian people - tears pour out of our eyes - but we must read and know about it so that it never happens again on our earth.

        so that no one could distort the story, and make black white!
        1. +16
          25 September 2017
          But Merkel there is still something yapping and some kind of sanctions against Russia. Who is it and against whom?
          It’s high time for her to shut up her mouth and remind all of these crimes and conduct them to all these places and let her kneel there.
          And we are all ... "partners, partners." It is disgusting and insulting for the country. Germany generally does not have the right to poke its snout with any claims to Russia and Ukraine, each time it turned into many deaths of our people, blood and grief.
          Once again, Germany put its snout into Ukraine in 2014 and again the death of people, tears and blood.
          May be enough? Yes, he has the audacity about some sanctions against Russia meow.
    2. +16
      25 September 2017
      Quote: aszzz888
      ... one episode of a terrible war ... and how many were there in 1418 days and nights? ...


      This is not a war!

      This is the destruction of an innocent civilian population!

      Wow, you bastards ....
      1. MrK
        +11
        25 September 2017
        Quote: Titsen
        This is the destruction of an innocent civilian population!

        And how is this destruction different from the Holocaust and genocide?
        1. +9
          26 September 2017
          Quote: mrark
          And how is this destruction different from the Holocaust and genocide?

          Because the Russians were raped and killed, and they are not sorry for the West, they are not people. And someone is still yapping about the "great and enlightened Europe" and trying to set us an example.
        2. +3
          26 September 2017
          Quote: mrark
          And how is this destruction different from the Holocaust and genocide?

          The fact that the West is accustomed to destroy the Slavs with impunity. Yes, and people do not consider barbarians.
    3. +12
      25 September 2017
      Quote: aszzz888
      ... one episode of a terrible war ... and how many were there in 1418 days and nights? ...

      That is what this is about. And when they start yelling about millions of raped Germans, then we still need to figure out who raped and how much. And in general, our ancestors had even a reason for revenge, but for what did the Americans take revenge and rape the Germans?
      1. +16
        25 September 2017
        Quote: svp67
        And when they start yelling about millions of raped Germans, then we still need to figure out who raped and how much.


        no matter what happened in Germany at 45, it was a retribution for the atrocities of this people.
        it is impossible to drive tens of millions of people into the ground and then they will be surprised at the brutality of wartime.
        1. +15
          25 September 2017
          That's it. It is simply amazing how restrained our soldiers and officers in Germany were, not falling into total revenge, and they had every right after what they saw in the liberated cities and villages.
          A lump comes up to my throat and I really want to shout for Erenburg, kill the German.
          Although of course this is wrong today. What was right then is unacceptable today.
          But the Germans should not be allowed to forget about what they have done, otherwise they will also begin to review the results of the Second World War and the Nuremberg Tribunal and films like “Our Fathers and Mothers” will appear, and one of the leaders of “Alternative for Germany” stated that one must be proud of the exploits of the Wehrmacht.
          Poke his nose into these "exploits" on our land.
          But he will certainly come to Russia and will meet with our deputies if he dares to express his attitude for what was said about the Wehrmacht.
          I have big doubts.
          1. +9
            25 September 2017
            for our deputies, the dollar is more important
            1. +4
              26 September 2017
              Well this is without options.
    4. +16
      25 September 2017
      We need to write books about these episodes, references, albums of burnt villages, tortured and hanged by our people, and then distribute all this in the West, on the Internet, so that the Poles, Balts, Anglo-Saxons choke on malice while reading all this: how Russians dared to tell the truth, which we are hiding intensely.
      In our homeland, the Yeltsin center should be redeveloped into the center of the truth about the Great Patriotic War, and our children from all over Russia should be brought there so that they know what kind of freedom Russia enjoys from liberals, sodomites and different Baltic states with Poles.

      "People-State-Fatherland" is the slogan of every Russian patriot.
      1. +15
        25 September 2017
        I fully support and repeat once again why they still haven’t made the film “Ordinary Fascism-2”, where you can submit all the new materials, including about punitive from the Baltic and Ukrainian battalions, Bandera. Vlasovites, fascist accomplices from the Baltic states.
        What are we afraid of? Why all the time we make excuses, and not beat them right away with the truth.?
        What, is someone afraid for their money in the west? Afraid of conflict? So we are already in the state of the Cold War, which in Syria and Ukraine turned into a hot one. Where to retreat further.
        1. +6
          25 September 2017
          Quote: Ulan
          What, is someone afraid for their money in the west? Afraid of conflict?

          Obviously, there is no money and state order for this. It’s easier to finance porn on the stage of theaters. And the "progressive" directors (former and present), together with the administrators of Mosfilm, were only capable of patriotic parties at Solovyov da Babayan. To ask Shakhnazarov and Mikhalkov: "And what have you, gentlemen, gained in the past decade?" Only scribbles and scribble in defense of thieves from art. Today, no matter how the new film, then spit in the history of the great country. Our movie ended, there were crafts "a la hollywood" under the slogan "I see it." It’s time for Putin to ask the question “before the count” on the election campaign? I think that the Ministry of Culture, in between its own little books, is implementing the Guarantor program.
          1. +6
            26 September 2017
            I completely agree. Only there is no money, namely the State Order, among the country's patriots there is such an order, but not among officials from the state apparatus.
            I specifically registered "Vkontakte", there is a page of Medinsky to ask him this question.
            Yes, fig-two, he only leaves his comments, but he cannot personally ask him a question. Such an opportunity is not provided.
  2. +18
    25 September 2017
    The most ridiculous thing you can imagine is the fault for the raped German women%)

    I usually say this, that I would rape them, and then I would smash their heads with a boot ...
    1. +24
      25 September 2017
      The text is very sincere and soulful. Regarding your comment, I can say that although it may seem a little ... but if you think about it, you said very correctly. The Soviet Union showed excessive in my opinion humanism towards the Germans, who for the most part supported the fascist regime to the point of madness and were full accomplices of all its crimes.
      1. +1
        25 September 2017
        Not everything is so simple with the Germans, as it seems at first glance, and humanism has nothing to do with it.

        Firstly, the Germans are also Slavs, and secondly, the owner of the 3rd Reich with a nuclear bomb loomed behind us.
    2. +11
      25 September 2017
      Quote: Krabik
      I usually say this, that I would rape them, and then I would smash their heads with a boot ...

      When you are at war with monsters, the most difficult thing is to remain human yourself ...
      1. +9
        25 September 2017
        Quote: svp67
        When you are at war with monsters, the most difficult thing is to remain human yourself ...


        It’s difficult, very difficult ... But it’s necessary, otherwise you will become a monster ... This is how ours differed from the Germans and “allies”.
        1. +11
          25 September 2017
          Quote: EwgenyZ
          In this ours differed from the Germans and "allies."

          Absolutely right. Yes hi In the photo in the article, the tortured inhabitants of Kharkov in 1943, and this is a photo of Dresden 1945. Allied aviation worked.
          Taken from here:
          www.perspektivy.info/print.php?ID=35854
          hi
          1. +4
            25 September 2017
            The Americans did the right thing! They do not consider an enemy to be a man and destroy him without any remorse. The civilian population of the enemy is also an enemy, because serves as a mobresource of his army and works for his economy. The war is very cruel, therefore, the manifestation of humanism in the course of hostilities is unacceptable.
            1. +4
              26 September 2017
              Quote: Krasnyiy komissar
              The war is very cruel, therefore, the manifestation of humanism in the course of hostilities is unacceptable.

              Actually, there are RULES of WAR, under which they have signed, including the United States.
              1. +3
                26 September 2017
                And every time ALL rules violate these rules. War is not a knightly duel, but a survival game. Survive yourself, kill or subjugate the enemy, take away his property - these are the true goals of any war, starting with the Neolithic.
                1. +4
                  26 September 2017
                  Moreover, the Americans do not hesitate to demonstrate this in their films and pass it off as heroism. Yesterday I accidentally stumbled onto TV on an American film about tankers on DVD? there the tank commander forces him to shoot a captured German and at the same time says - it’s your duty.
                  And no one in the USA is soared about this.
                  There is also about relations with the Germans.
                  1. +1
                    26 September 2017
                    Oh ... Of course, WWII.
                  2. +1
                    26 September 2017
                    The film is called "Rage." The tank commander makes the guy kill a captured German not just like that, but for educational purposes. Because of the pacifism of this blockhead, the entire crew of another tank died.
                    1. +6
                      26 September 2017
                      Exactly. Only because of pacifism, you need to send to the convoy to serve, and you need to kill in battle. Actually, this is a violation of the convention in relation to prisoners.
                      The murder of prisoners without trial is a crime.
                      And to present this as the right action, no matter for what purpose, it is clearly "in the wrong steppe."
                2. +5
                  26 September 2017
                  Quote: Krasnyiy komissar
                  Survive yourself, kill or subjugate the enemy

                  ENEMY, that is, an armed enemy, but not like defenseless women, children and the elderly ...
            2. +1
              26 September 2017
              Quote: Krasnyiy komissar
              The Americans did the right thing!

              The purpose of the war for the "Anglo-Saxons" is enrichment. For them, everyone is an enemy who a) does not give access to necessary resources at an affordable price for the "Anglo-Saxons", b) who produces their own products and does not buy Anglo-Saxon products at an inflated price.
          2. +4
            26 September 2017
            I humbly want to note that bombing is a normal practice of warfare.
            Fighting partisans by exterminating settlements is also common practice.

            But the Germans went further, destroyed everything in its path and created enterprises to destroy the population on an industrial scale.
            Well, things like catching children, downloading blood from them and throwing half-dead into a hole.
            I can understand the Germans that they took blood for their soldiers, but we must behave ourselves with children in a humane way, and not throw it out like rotten potatoes into a pit.

            Well, or handbags made of leather, just a little bit more and the stew from prisoners would be twisted, cannibals in a word.

            In short, I wish that the Germans were exterminated by the Arabs to zero and in this I am absolutely in solidarity with the Americans;)
      2. +10
        25 September 2017
        Quote: svp67
        When you are at war with monsters, the most difficult thing is to remain human yourself ...


        Berlin 1945
        1. +7
          25 September 2017
          Quote: igordok
          Berlin 1945

          You know such photos I can show you on the other side ...


          Here the question is otherwise, a photo of German atrocities can be laid out a million, but ours ??????
          1. +6
            25 September 2017
            Many of these photos where the Germans treat Soviet civilians are staged. This is not a secret for a long time.
          2. +3
            25 September 2017
            kill the bitches in the photo
        2. +3
          27 September 2017
          the children in the photo by the way are not very exhausted. I have not seen a starving photo in Germany.
      3. +2
        26 September 2017
        I completely agree with you, therefore, looters and rapists were punished quite strictly so that the army did not turn into bandits.
    3. +18
      25 September 2017
      But these martes and clars, deserve it quite.
      Remember the letters they published, which they sent to their husbands in Russia - darling, they sent me gold earrings and a fur coat, etc.
      And their chances, these earrings with meat pulled from the ears of our women.
      So I support you, these March and Clars easily got off.
    4. +7
      26 September 2017
      I understand your anger and hatred, but we are not them and our soldiers instead of raising bayonets of German children (as their fathers did in Russia) saved them and shared the last piece of bread, and sometimes our life! That’s the whole difference between Orthodox Russian warriors and Western animals in human guise! I ask you not to be offended by the representatives of the multinational Soviet people who took an active part in the bat against the black force, for me they are all RUSSIAN WARS and all of them, no matter what denomination, OUR MOST RELATIVE and CLOSE and thank you so much for our life !!!
    5. +1
      26 September 2017
      Quote: Krabik
      The most ridiculous thing you can imagine is the fault for the raped German women%)

      I usually say this, that I would rape them, and then I would smash their heads with a boot ...

      I propose to read:
      https://tsargrad.tv/articles/pervaja-mirovaja-voj
      na-kak-resultat-dehristianizacii-evropy_85989
      https://tsargrad.tv/articles/o-hristianskom-pacif
      izme-i-military-dolge_86192
      -------------------------------
      ... and think about "raping and breaking heads with a boot."
      1. +1
        26 September 2017
        They deserved a boot, but it is not necessary to fall to the German level.
  3. +12
    25 September 2017
    Stalin was not a stupid man, and if the Nazis destroyed civilians of the USSR indiscriminately, the Soviet army in 1945 fed the inhabitants of Berlin with soup and only SS-sheep with perfect lead!
    1. +14
      25 September 2017
      Firework
      Stalin was not a stupid man, and if the Nazis destroyed civilians of the USSR indiscriminately, then The Soviet army in 1945 fed the inhabitants of Berlin with soup and only SS-sheep with perfect lead!

      Stalin was a wise and visionary man. And no war crimes from the Soviet side were necessary to Stalin and our country in any way at all and in principle!
      The USSR in the gravel with Stalin precisely forced the aggressor to PEACE!
      1. +14
        25 September 2017
        My grandfather ended the war in artillery (117 howitzer artillery brigade BM RGK), so he said that before representatives of the army came to the USSR’s borders they came with explanations in the spirit - Comrade Stalin believes and hopes that the Soviet man is not what it’s a Nazi animal, and therefore you need to grit your teeth and act like people. To the question of those whose family died in the occupation and those who themselves were in the occupation, what would happen if everyone remembers nothing? ) do not even count, at best, shooting.
        PySy When Babi Yar (Kiev) released his grandfather on the "light work" Rybalko drove - I saw it all with my own eyes ..
        1. +2
          25 September 2017
          Also my grandfather commanded a howitzer battery, and fought for Berlin.
          1. 0
            25 September 2017
            Accidentally not "Sledgehammers"?
            1. +3
              25 September 2017
              Axon
              Also my grandfather commanded a howitzer battery, and fought for Berlin.
              War usually historically always returns to where it started - in its very den and in the heart of the criminal "beast"!
              1. +4
                26 September 2017
                Our army did not reach the heart of the beast. It was in London.
            2. 0
              30 September 2017
              I think if there was an opportunity, it would be Sledgehammers, ..banged on the head.
              1. 0
                October 3 2017
                Actually, it’s wild to see such a dilettantism on such a site as “Stalin's Sledgehammer”, it’s B-4 and anyone who is even a little interested in the Army and WWII knows this ..
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  4. +18
    25 September 2017
    "So kill at least one!
    So kill him quickly!
    How many times will you see him,
    So many times and kill him! "
  5. +20
    25 September 2017
    The population of the Reich did not have comprehensive information that the Wehrmacht and SS troops were on the Soviet soil for three long years. However, the little that was known did not allow hope for mercy. This moment was clearly recognized by so many. In the diary of a German guy there is a characteristic entry. “At noon we drove off in a completely crowded city train from the Ankhtalsky railway station. There were many women refugees from the Russian-occupied eastern regions of Berlin with us on the train. They carried with them all their belongings: a stuffed backpack. Nothing more. Horror froze on their faces, anger and despair filled people! I had never heard such curses before ... Then someone yelled, blocking the noise: "Quiet!" We saw a plain, dirty soldier, in the form of two iron crosses and a golden German cross. On his sleeve was a patch with four small metal tanks, which meant that he knocked out four tanks in close combat. “I want to tell you something,” he shouted, and there was silence in the train. - Even if you do not want to listen! Stop whining! We must win this war, we must not lose courage. If others win - Russians, Poles, French, Czechs, and at least one percent do with our people what we did for six years in a row, then in a few weeks not a single German will survive. This tells you one who has been in occupied countries for six years! ” "It became so quiet on the train that it would be heard how the hairpin fell"

    Dyukov Alexander R.
    "For what the Soviet people fought"
    1. +4
      25 September 2017
      Yes, it’s for sure, the French are so under the Germans (in the literal sense of these words) "na-astrada-a-ala ..."
    2. +1
      25 September 2017
      These are the memories of a German who was a boy and rode that day that transport.
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    1. +1
      25 September 2017
      And can a reference to his work, where he writes it? I have not seen such lines in him. Svetlana Alekseevich - a native of Belarus and a Nobel laureate, this defecated. But Weller - alas.
      1. 0
        26 September 2017
        I won’t leave a link, but from memory I can say that I read his interview or an article on the site or Echo Matzah, or radio freedom ....
  7. +13
    25 September 2017
    The city of Minsk was completely destroyed, are there three, or how many whole buildings are left there? It was completely rebuilt after the war. And even fleeing from our land at tremendous speed, Nazi-German creeps continued to crap, killing civilians and taking property from him, even simply throwing them away without using them. And after such abominations they squeak "about violence and the invasion of dirty Bolshevik hordes." Yes, the Germans themselves mated with the Americans, for example, for a pair of fildekosovye stockings or chocolates. In the villages, the elders themselves offered "young women for gentlemen of officers and soldiers," our truth was shocked by such proposals, but not the Americans and the French, the "winners" who dragged into Europe the Berber and Moroccan regiments, who raped everything that moves.
    1. +10
      25 September 2017
      Not only Minsk, but also Kiev, but Voronezh? Voronezh was the same sight as Stalingrad and the same question was - is it worth it to rebuild the city, is it easier and cheaper to build a new one.
      Restored. They restored everything, all the cities and villages, and few in the west know what strength, sweat and blood it cost us. About Europeans, only one thing can be said - pigs ... ungrateful.
  8. +7
    25 September 2017
    I saw a photo of a Russian soldier taking a bicycle. A bicycle of a German woman, I’ve probably not the only one seen. Photo of the days of the 45th year. There is a picture of soldiers in a cap of Serbia, and the roll is not ours, and the boots are not ours ... By the edge you notice the American military in the distance and two just like passers-by (the rest are mass extras). Our fault? I do not want to say what they did with us. About violence in general ...
    1. +1
      25 September 2017
      Quote: Amitryakin
      I saw a photo of a Russian soldier picking up a bicycle


      Here there is a small article about this photo: http://www.pravda-tv.ru/2016/05/08/228278/krugom-
      vrane-ili-sovetskij-soldat-otbiraet-u-nemki-velos
      iped? utm_campaign = transit & utm_source = mirtesen
      & utm_medium = news & from = mirtesen
    2. +1
      25 September 2017
      Quote: Amitryakin
      I saw a photo of a Russian soldier picking up a bicycle.

      At VO, this photo was taken apart. For a long time, perhaps more than two years.
    3. +3
      25 September 2017
      Quote: Amitryakin
      I saw a photo of a Russian soldier picking up a bicycle
      We discussed this picture here. You can search: "Popandopulo in Berlin"
  9. +2
    25 September 2017
    The answer is quite simple, hold exhibitions of memory. There are a lot of photos of that time. And I think the government will find money to go with them around Europe.
    1. +4
      25 September 2017
      I think Europe will not want to see this evidence of its meanness. Here are the museums of the Soviet "occupation", please.
      1. +4
        26 September 2017
        Quote: Ulan
        I think Europe will not want to see this evidence of its meanness. Here are the museums of the Soviet "occupation", please.

        The beginning of European degradation, duplicity and hypocrisy was laid long ago!
        https://tsargrad.tv/articles/chto-takoe-oriflejm-
        ili-devalvacija-smyslov-2_86720
        1. +5
          26 September 2017
          I looked. That's right, complete devaluation and moral decay. Such an impression is the Roman Empire before its fall, mired in all the vices that are possible.
          By the way, the barbarians have already come.
          An almost complete analogy.
  10. +1
    25 September 2017
    Inhumans have no nationality, have nothing to do with any religious movements, have no relation to diverse ideologies, nationalities ... you can continue to list many and tedious things further. They, nonhumans, just do it like it and they catch it at the same time. The age limits of nonhumans here are also blurred ... can do such chaos as snotty youths with girls, and seasoned scumbags ... and the perpetrators of such acts must be for life OUTSIDE THE LAW, regardless of age and social status.
    1. +7
      25 September 2017
      From Hitler’s appeal to the Wehrmacht soldiers before going to the USSR (not verbatim) —I will free you from a chimera called conscience and I will be responsible for everything that you do before God.
      Well and further about the Slavic subhuman, etc.
      in general, kill, force, burn, everything is forgiven to you in advance.
      So scum tried.
  11. +6
    25 September 2017
    There was no need to take prisoners !!!
  12. +10
    25 September 2017
    Strictly speaking, of course, the Red Army had some episodes of looting and violence. It doesn’t happen otherwise, it’s an army, but still not all of them are angels, but taking into account the fact that almost every fighter lost someone in this war ... well, of course, in general. BUT!!!
    The Red Army is the ONLY army in which purposeful educational work was conducted that we, the Soviet people, came to liberate Germany and not to take revenge, and that it was unworthy of a Soviet person to behave like fascist kams. And the Red Army is the ONLY army in which they were shot without mercy for bullying the German population, despite the ranks and merits.
    That is why the rape and robbery of Soviet soldiers, as it were, is not an order of magnitude less than those of the same British or Americans. These at all did not make a difference about this. Robbed whom? Woe to the vanquished. Raped? Well, so it was necessary to relax and have fun, business then ... About how to somehow blame the rapists and there was no question - in the end, it's just German!
    1. +1
      25 September 2017
      So it is not in vain that for all the Americans who, for one reason or another, arrived in Germany of that period, they were given an army uniform ...
    2. +5
      25 September 2017
      There were direct orders from the command prohibiting violence and looting against civilians, under pain of execution.
    3. +5
      26 September 2017
      my father told me how they shot an elder who was supposedly raped by a polka before the formation. The foreman began to take off his outfit before the formation, the Polish, when she realized that the foreman was shot, rushed to the feet of the regiment, but late. From the regiment's mauser, his head shattered. Father was in the ranks
      1. +1
        26 September 2017
        The first written mention of the use of the Mauser in WWII
  13. +10
    25 September 2017
    This is not forgotten and not forgiven.
    From the word NEVER.
    Maybe through 4-5 generations, the severity of pain and loss will pass.
    But the memory, hear, must remain.
    1. MrK
      +3
      25 September 2017
      Quote: demo
      Maybe through 4-5 generations, the severity of pain and loss will pass.

      I agree with you completely. But I am afraid with the current propaganda in the West, and sometimes in Russia, something else will happen. For example:
      2020 year. The USSR is an occupier and would lose the war if not for the USA. Stalin is a monster. The Germans generally defended themselves.
      2025 year. The USSR began World War II and built concentration camps. The Germans tried to stop him.
      1. +7
        25 September 2017
        It is painful to read all this, but I am afraid it will be so if we continue to languidly and helplessly make excuses.
  14. +2
    25 September 2017
    We are not going to forget and are not going to, from the word TOTALLY and NEVER FORGET THEM, in our society there are a handful of individuals who are ready to forgive and apologize to them, but not the majority.
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  16. +1
    25 September 2017
    Quote: Krabik
    The most ridiculous thing you can imagine is the fault for the raped German women%)

    I usually say this, that I would rape them, and then I would smash their heads with a boot ...
    1. +1
      25 September 2017
      we have every right
  17. +4
    25 September 2017
    All family members of persons serving in the SS needed to be put against the wall and shot.
  18. +4
    25 September 2017
    Quote: svp67
    That is what this is about. And when they start yelling about millions of raped Germans, then we still need to figure out who raped and how much. And in general, our ancestors had even a reason for revenge, but for what did the Americans take revenge and rape the Germans?

    Father said that when they entered East Prussia there was an order that punished for violence. Maybe there were some cases, but that it was massive - he did not hear.

    Quote: The Truth
    We need to write books about these episodes, inquiries, albums of burnt villages, tortured and hanged people.

    At one time, such books were published in the USSR. EMNIP one of them was called the "Black Book of SS Crimes" (or something like that)

    Quote: Ulan
    I fully support and repeat once again why they still haven’t made the film “Ordinary Fascism-2”, where you can submit all the new materials, including about punitive from the Baltic and Ukrainian battalions, Bandera. Vlasovites, fascist accomplices from the Baltic states.

    They won’t take it off. In-1 there is no second Romm, in-2 they simply will not be allowed to remove. The wrong people are at the helm of the cinema
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    2. +3
      25 September 2017
      Quote: Old26
      At one time, such books were published in the USSR. EMNIP one of them was called the "Black Book of SS Crimes" (or something like that)

      And now there is. "SS in action." One of the few books that I could not read to the end.
  19. +3
    25 September 2017
    Quote: Salute
    The Soviet army in 1945 fed the inhabitants of Berlin soup


    It was about this that my mother told how they stood in line for food. And then the Germans brought her a basket of kittens, all in ribbons and bows. Mom asked: "Why is this?" Then the Germans grinned foolishly and said: "Eat! You have nothing to eat there in Russia!"
  20. +3
    25 September 2017
    Quote: mrark
    Quote: demo
    Maybe through 4-5 generations, the severity of pain and loss will pass.

    I agree with you completely. But I am afraid with the current propaganda in the West, and sometimes in Russia, something else will happen. For example:
    2020 year. The USSR is an occupier and would lose the war if not for the USA. Stalin is a monster. The Germans generally defended themselves.
    2025 year. The USSR began World War II and built concentration camps. The Germans tried to stop him.

    It seems you overslept. Already I see such people about my age and older (20-30 years).
    I want to come some.
    And it comes all from the literature, which is available in a wide assortment on the Internet with 'arguments, facts, evidence'. Horror.
    1. +4
      26 September 2017
      Well, if for two generations in a row to hear the phrase "you are a pig," it’s not your will to bawl. “Brain dusters”: the Internet, cinematographs (especially cheap TV shows), books and articles in the glossy press shout “facts” that distort the truth exactly the opposite. How does the younger generation know the REAL truth and not the convenient west?
      THERE ARE EXCELLENT MOVIES filmed during the union. Do not show. There are many authors who went through the war. Young people do not even know about them.
      Half of history teachers tolerantly talks about the war without trying to convey the atmosphere of horror that was going on.
      The correct look at the events of the past among youth must be FORMED. but this is not done.
      1. +7
        26 September 2017
        That's it. Where is the film about Pokryshkin, the greatest ace of World War II? But there is a snotty “Admiral”.
        1. 0
          29 September 2017
          Now about Alexander Ivanovich will be removed so that we spit. As an example - Chkalov.
    2. +2
      27 September 2017
      another thing is sad - people have nothing in their minds about history, there is nothing. They fill their knowledge with random sources, and most of the first sources they come across propagate outright lies and people, having read, take this position without even trying to critically think about the information. This applies, by the way, to the notorious Poklonskaya. This is the direct fault of the current education system, specifically of every history teacher, whose school has at least one student / graduate who has accepted the historical lie. And as a direct consequence, this is an article about the subversive anti-state activities of the ministry responsible for education. I still draw gently conclusions.
      If someone thinks the process cannot be controlled, look at China.
  21. +2
    26 September 2017
    Quote: Krasnyiy komissar
    The Americans did the right thing! They do not consider an enemy to be a man and destroy him without any remorse. The civilian population of the enemy is also an enemy, because serves as a mobresource of his army and works for his economy. The war is very cruel, therefore, the manifestation of humanism in the course of hostilities is unacceptable.

    Civilian Vietnamese, Koreans, Yugoslavs and other peoples who felt the club of "free democracy of the USA" on themselves were not worthy to live?
    1. 0
      26 September 2017
      End justifies the means. This is called geopolitics, so it’s foolish to talk about humanism in relation to the Papuans. If the USSR acted similarly to the USA, I would unconditionally support any actions of our military towards the enemy.
  22. +4
    26 September 2017
    Filling our country with blood, destroying more than 28 million people, these "Western Democrats" are trying to blame those who freed the world from the brown plague! Well, what can I say: scum, they are always scum ... Every time I come across the fabrications of these "devil's advocates" I remember the village where my grandmother and mother were born and which these "representatives of the humanistic west" simply, in a businesslike way, burned to the ground in 1943. But there are thousands of such villages, unlike Khatyn, completely unknown - in Russia! And these scoundrels, instead of repenting for the crimes of their ancestors, put a "shadow on the wattle fence" and watered with slops the savior of European-Soviet soldiers, accusing them of all sins and crimes.
  23. +2
    27 September 2017
    The Germans need to be reminded more often of this. To understand that they were incredibly lucky that their people were not cut out at the root even then.
  24. +5
    27 September 2017
    Do not forget and do not forgive!
  25. +1
    28 September 2017
    It is a pity that Stalin was too big a humanist!
    For such crimes, some other "civilized" peoples of ALL Germans would then have ended up as a nation.
    And we ... Eh ... Then they didn’t touch them on our own head ... :(
  26. +1
    28 September 2017
    How much strength did a Soviet soldier cost to restrain himself by capturing the Nazis ...
  27. 0
    29 September 2017
    Quote: Msta
    All family members of persons serving in the SS needed to be put against the wall and shot.

    Bravo! Take little Gunther born in 1944 and in his stove SSovtsa! Where do you get that .. blood is not enough for you on the planet

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