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Ukraine has upgraded the Pechora anti-aircraft missile system C-125М

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According to his blog Diana Mikhailova, the Ukrainian company Radionix and the state-owned Luch Design Bureau conducted the first missile launches from the upgraded C-125 anti-aircraft missile system.


Ukraine has upgraded the Pechora anti-aircraft missile system C-125М


According to the report, the new “Pechora” in the version from “Radionix” includes the modernization of all elements of the C-125M complex. The main element of the modernization of the Ukrainian designers called the alteration of the 5B27D missiles for the S-125М Pechora. It provides for the installation of semi-active or active guidance heads on 5ВХNUMXД rockets, which were developed by Radioniks specialists. The frontier of the C-27M air defense system with new missiles (125B5D-M27 and 1B5D-M27 SAM) is 2 km, the maximum height of the affected area is 40 km.



The installation of new homing heads provides for a complete rework of the electronic equipment of the missile guidance station. The new radar was named FCR-125.

FCR-125 radar is designed for autonomous detection, identification, tracking of flying objects (targets) and missile guidance. FCR-125 slotted antenna array provides an overview of the space in the sector in azimuth - ± 30 deg; on a corner of a place - from-2 to 45 a hail. Detection range of air targets (EOP = 5 square meters) - 130 km. FCR-125 provides simultaneous tracking of the 1 target and targeting it to 2's 5ВХNUMXД missiles; simultaneous tracking of targets to 27 and targeting of 3ВХNUMXД-М6 missiles on them to 5; simultaneous tracking of targets up to 27 and targeting of 1ВХNUMXД-М4 missiles on them to 8.
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  1. Pirogov
    Pirogov 23 September 2017 15: 03
    16
    It is ridiculous to read such news on fishlessness and cancer.
    1. himRa
      himRa 23 September 2017 15: 09
      +6
      Quote: Pirogov
      Fishless fish and cancer

      That's for sure...
      Fantastic option: even if a dozen or two rockets are riveted, the launcher is destroyed at a time!
      1. Pirogov
        Pirogov 23 September 2017 15: 16
        +4
        Quote: himRa
        That's for sure...
        Fantastic option: even if a dozen or two rockets are riveted, the launcher is destroyed at a time!

        Yes, no one cares, the next cut ..... who war, and who crazy profit.
        1. Vladimir16
          Vladimir16 23 September 2017 15: 53
          14
          The far border of the S-125M air defense zone with new missiles (5V27D-M1 SAM and 5V27D-M2 SAM) is 40 km, the maximum height of the affected zone is 25 km.

          How did the rocket fly further if the guidance system was modernized ???
          1. cniza
            cniza 23 September 2017 16: 48
            +1
            I suppose that the next cut of money, a couple of the three units will be painted, and denyuzhki bye - bye.
          2. Captain Pushkin
            Captain Pushkin 24 September 2017 18: 10
            +1
            Quote: Vladimir16
            Vladimir16 Yesterday, 15:53 ​​↑
            The far border of the S-125M air defense zone with new missiles (5V27D-M1 SAM and 5V27D-M2 SAM) is 40 km, the maximum height of the affected zone is 25 km.

            How did the rocket fly further if the guidance system was modernized ??

            There, the distant border was limited not by a rocket, but by a guidance system.
      2. 210ox
        210ox 23 September 2017 16: 43
        +2
        Well, don’t say so, say GOP .. Launched mobile, Belarusians poured in. Although any air defense system is being destroyed. They are trying to eliminate all this in the first place.
        Quote: himRa
        Quote: Pirogov
        Fishless fish and cancer

        That's for sure...
        Fantastic option: even if a dozen or two rockets are riveted, the launcher is destroyed at a time!
        1. Normal ok
          Normal ok 24 September 2017 11: 27
          +1
          Quote: 210ox
          Although any air defense system is being destroyed, they are trying to eliminate it all in the first place.

          Reading your comments, I was of the opinion that you are a normal person (not a couch), and you understand what you are commenting on. Therefore, you have the thesis - everything is easily destroyed only on paper! In reality, NATO had to make a lot of efforts to break the air defense of Yugoslavia. Ukraine has much stronger air defense. If the 125 are returned to service, it will be even stronger. Think about it.
          1. Al z
            Al z 13 February 2018 16: 16
            0
            Quote: Normal ok
            to break the air defense of Yugoslavia, NATO had to make a lot of effort. Ukraine has much stronger air defense.
            Seriously? No kidding?
            Stronger?! Question: Ukraine’s air defense is generally combat-ready, well, at least somehow? Did you serve in the Armed Forces (Powered by Powers) of Ukraine or do you judge by inheritance of the USSR? Unlike Ukraine, the Army of Yugoslavia had a very high level of combat training, and the air defense forces were of the highest level (at least the ZRV and reconnaissance of the air enemy were excellently organized). Much, much higher than even in the USSR 90-92 years.
      3. Nikolai Grek
        Nikolai Grek 24 September 2017 01: 46
        +4
        Quote: himRa
        Quote: Pirogov
        Fishless fish and cancer

        That's for sure...
        Fantastic option: even if a dozen or two rockets are riveted, the launcher is destroyed at a time!

        and if another civilian side is knocked down ??? recourse recourse recourse
        1. Ezhaak
          Ezhaak 24 September 2017 10: 55
          0
          Quote: Nikolai the Greek
          and if another civilian side is shot down?

          Is it really so hard to find the extreme? This is the first time there have been problems, I had to confess. The second time they’ve better prepared. And then everything is simpler and easier. Soviet technology? Read Russian. So Russia is guilty of everything.
    2. NIKNN
      NIKNN 23 September 2017 15: 12
      +3
      To be honest and surprising, and glad at the same time that something is still being done in such hellish conditions, I think the state defense will not order (or only on paper), which means work in vain ... there is nothing for the people to earn money or at least repel .... request
      1. samoletil18
        samoletil18 23 September 2017 15: 21
        14
        If only the third passenger plane was not shot down.
        1. NIKNN
          NIKNN 23 September 2017 15: 25
          +3
          Quote: samoletil18
          If only the third passenger plane was not shot down.

          laughing One rocket? Clamped, all the same, fisted nationality, and then there will be nothing to brag about ... laughing
          1. WUA 518
            WUA 518 23 September 2017 15: 33
            11
            Quote: NIKNN
            One rocket?

            Yes, no longer fly over it.
            1. Normal ok
              Normal ok 24 September 2017 11: 29
              0
              Quote: WUA 518
              Yes, no longer fly over it.

              Why post fakes? Go to the website of the sale of tickets of any international airline and hammer in the search for tickets to Ukraine. Recently flown, - the mass of offers. Including transit.
              1. Nikolai Grek
                Nikolai Grek 24 September 2017 16: 39
                +4
                Quote: Normal ok
                Quote: WUA 518
                Yes, no longer fly over it.

                Why post fakes? Go to the website of the sale of tickets of any international airline and hammer in the search for tickets to Ukraine. Recently flown, - the mass of offers. Including transit.

                it would be strange if the airplanes whose destination is in hohland could fly around hohland wassat wassat lol lol but in transit through its territory they try not to fly !!! laughing laughing laughing By the way, the Euros recently thought about the threat of flights to some Hohljat airports !!! tongue tongue tongue laughing laughing

                The European Union said that Ukraine should ban flights near the ATO zone and in a number of areas. This was reported in the State Aviation Service, reports RBC.

                The European Aviation Safety Agency has developed a special document that suggests recognizing flights to the eastern regions of Ukraine as unsafe. This justifies the ban on flights to the international airports "Kharkov", "Dnepropetrovsk" and "Zaporozhye".
                laughing laughing laughing
                http://vesti-ukr.com/strana/257621-zakrytie-aerop
                ortov-ukrainy-es-trebuet-zapretit-polety-v-polovi
                ne-strany-iz-za-ato
                1. Normal ok
                  Normal ok 24 September 2017 19: 39
                  0
                  Quote: Nikolai the Greek
                  The European Aviation Safety Agency has developed a special document that suggests recognizing flights to the eastern regions of Ukraine as unsafe.

                  Let's not talk at the level of political cartoons. Firstly, a huge number of transit flights (see map of Ukraine) went through the Crimea and Donetsk. Essentially, no one is flying there right now. So what are we talking about? It’s not around Ukraine))) it is around Crimea and Donetsk.
        2. enot73
          enot73 23 September 2017 16: 28
          +4
          Quote: samoletil18
          If only the third passenger plane was not shot down
          According to German data, MN-17 could have shot down precisely S-125.What does the government know about the air defense activity on July 17? “The federal government has no confirmed information that the MH17 was hit by a ground-to-air missile. It follows from the correspondence that on that day 2 NATO AWACS electronic reconnaissance patrols patrolled the airspace of Ukraine. So, according to their data, the German government reports to the German left, the signals of the air defense system identified as the SA-3 anti-aircraft missile system, as well as a signal from another radar device that could not be identified, were recorded. ”And here the fun begins. SAM SA-3 according to NATO qualifications, this is SA-125 according to ours, it is also “Neva” or “Pechora”. According to the tactical and technical characteristics, he could well bring down the aforementioned Boeing, but he was removed from the armament of the Russian army a long time ago, but the Ukrainian one still uses it. No less misunderstandings and "unidentified device." Oh, the “Buk”, aka S-300, NATO intelligence officers are obliged to identify, as they say, at first sight. Well, he doesn’t look like Neva / Pechora either externally or by radar signals.
          1. evil partisan
            evil partisan 23 September 2017 16: 50
            +9
            Quote: enot73
            Oh, "Buk", aka S-300
            belay
            This is when this "Buk" became the S-300 ?? Wikipedia to help you ...
            1. enot73
              enot73 23 September 2017 17: 54
              +1
              Quote: Angry Guerrilla
              This is when this "Buk" became the S-300 ?? Wikipedia to help you ...
              And you are probably the smartest on this forum? But thanks for the comment, I will continue to carefully quote other resources.
              1. XXXIII
                XXXIII 23 September 2017 17: 57
                +3
                It's kind of a beech repeat
              2. evil partisan
                evil partisan 23 September 2017 18: 04
                +4
                Quote: enot73
                Are you probably the smartest on this forum?

                Snapped, like? Keep- love
                Just at one time, quite a while ago, I was involved in the production of one of the modifications of the S-300.wink He knew those who made "Buki". By the way. Now at the factory, where at one time was lucky to work, at the same time collect and “Buki” and S-300. Again- wink
              3. Burbon
                Burbon 23 September 2017 22: 09
                +2
                Quote: enot73
                And you are probably the smartest on this forum?

                not only he, but a dull beleberd seal - this is up archaism fool
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    3. Orionvit
      Orionvit 23 September 2017 16: 01
      +2
      Quote: Pirogov
      Fishlessness and cancer.

      Do not formulate the saying correctly. In relation to the Ukrainian reality, it sounds something like this: "on fishlessness and fish with cancer" laughing
      1. Mikhail m
        Mikhail m 24 September 2017 05: 06
        +1
        But where can I get it on the lack of fish?
    4. 210ox
      210ox 23 September 2017 16: 39
      +2
      Actually, this is not funny .. And so everyone flies around the territory of the 404 side. The complex is serious.
      Quote: Pirogov
      It is ridiculous to read such news on fishlessness and cancer.
    5. Captain Pushkin
      Captain Pushkin 23 September 2017 17: 53
      +1
      Quote: Pirogov
      On fishlessness and cancer, fish,

      The far border of the affected area is 40 km, it’s like the American 1961 Hawk. Well done. Now we need to work on bringing the affected area to the Advanced Hawk level of the 70s. And take it to the museum.
    6. Maz
      Maz 23 September 2017 20: 09
      0
      Shaw fat smeared Schaub did not rust?
    7. LeonidL
      LeonidL 23 September 2017 21: 18
      +1
      Modernization of antiques? Very, very creative, however!
    8. Alex ros
      Alex ros 24 September 2017 05: 51
      +2
      Quote: Pirogov
      Fishless fish and cancer

      As my friend used to say, in the lack of fish and the bra belt!
      1. Captain Pushkin
        Captain Pushkin 24 September 2017 18: 16
        +2
        Quote: Alex Ros
        aka my friend used to say, on a lack of fish and a bra belt!

        It seems to me that when a bra is on fishless and harness, it will be more creative.
  2. himRa
    himRa 23 September 2017 15: 06
    +5
    Watch out for the civilian sides!
    Well at least Amergf35 can't detect tongue
  3. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 23 September 2017 15: 10
    +1
    Goal for invention is cunning. It’s obvious that things are quite bad ..,
    1. HAM
      HAM 23 September 2017 15: 23
      +1
      And old Powers in the course ??
    2. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 23 September 2017 15: 23
      +3
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Goal for invention is cunning. It’s obvious that things are quite bad ..,

      I do not see modernization, the creation of an absolutely new air defense system using old workflows. There, from the old C-125, there was practically nothing left except iron.
      1. himRa
        himRa 23 September 2017 15: 34
        +7
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        I do not see modernization, the creation of an absolutely new air defense system using old workflows. There, from the old C-125, there was practically nothing left except iron.

        Where did you see the new?
        The characteristics are the same as during the Powers shooting down. laughing
        The missiles are new, maybe .... the launchers are old, the dimensions of the missiles are coming out too, the analog ones have been replaced by a digit maybe ... but there are no passive detection systems like there weren’t ...
        So .... the complex is destroyed as before ..
        An image intensifier that can detect 5m2 for civilian aircraft will do laughing
        1. evil partisan
          evil partisan 23 September 2017 16: 54
          +3
          Quote: himRa
          New missiles, maybe

          I doubt it. Anti-aircraft missiles in Ukraine were not produced in the early 2000s. I don’t think it’s gotten better since then ...
          1. himRa
            himRa 23 September 2017 19: 43
            +3
            Quote: Angry Guerrilla
            I doubt it. Anti-aircraft missiles in Ukraine were not produced in the early 2000s. I don’t think it’s gotten better since then ...

            I share your doubt ... but most likely I mean sample 1 copy for the MO offer to buy what ... so that they together with Belarusians can, in principle ...
            Doubts that they can quickly expand production and produce in large quantities because this complex not mobile unlike ours and ... it’s out of date for export, but for yourself without money they will not be able to need not a little money, not only in production but also in specialists ... hi
      2. just exp
        just exp 23 September 2017 15: 44
        +3
        Well, then SAM is made of iron.
        but in fact, they updated the radar and GPS, that is, part of the electronics, and this does not pull on the new complex.
        1. Captain Pushkin
          Captain Pushkin 23 September 2017 18: 02
          +3
          Quote: just explo
          there updated radar and GOS

          And where did the GOS come from with radio command guidance?
      3. Orionvit
        Orionvit 23 September 2017 16: 10
        +3
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        I see no modernization, the creation of an absolutely new air defense system using old workflows

        But I see incomprehensible statements, such as: "we can do the same." I’m not familiar with the Ukrainian military-industrial complex, in particular in the field of electronics and radar systems, and I will say bluntly, nothing new can be developed in Ukraine in principle. There were no specialists, no sensible material base. Maxim what they are capable of is to support the piece production of products, still of Soviet developments.
      4. Normal ok
        Normal ok 24 September 2017 11: 32
        0
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        I do not see modernization, the creation of an absolutely new air defense system using old workflows. There, from the old C-125, there was practically nothing left except iron.

        Judging by Google, you're right. Will it go into the series? - that's the question?
    3. Equalized
      Equalized 23 September 2017 15: 34
      0
      Wow!

      https://topwar.ru/36487-zrk-pechora-2m-vtoraya-zh
      izn-s-125.html

      laughing
      1. himRa
        himRa 23 September 2017 15: 54
        +2
        Quote: Equalized
        Wow!
        https://topwar.ru/36487-zrk-pechora-2m-vtoraya-zh
        izn-s-125.html

        1st news for 2013 ... says nothing?
        2-compare characteristics:
        target detection range with EPR = 2 sq. m about 100 km, targets with EPR = 0,15 square. m about 50 km, in the absence of interference. When using active jamming noise - 40 km;
        the time of bringing the complex into a combat position is 25 minutes.

        The complex is mobile ... significant differences!
        And most importantly: the resources are such that in a very short time, Russia can rivet them like missiles to them incomparably more ... stop
  4. Equalized
    Equalized 23 September 2017 15: 30
    +2
    Well, if Ukraine has modernized, then this is certainly bad. But when the Russian Federation and Belarus pushed it was normal laughing

    But in reality there is little left of C-125. There are two options for equipping the new GOS, active and semi-active. The Radar plant took part.

    What do we have in the course of the bill? An excellent tactical-level air defense system capable of working well on all kinds of attack aircraft. And for other types of aviation most likely too.

    The main disadvantage is poor mobility, Ukrainians could take the example from Polyakov and make the launcher self-propelled on the truck chassis, then it would be even more chic.

    1. Gransasso
      Gransasso 23 September 2017 15: 40
      +4
      These are the same people who write in a day how s-125 with one left detects any "invisibility" and how they click like f-117 seeds.
      1. Equalized
        Equalized 23 September 2017 16: 01
        +7
        After the events of 2014, hypocrisy is the norm, all articles on military subjects in 99% of cases turn into srach and stupid comments, alas.
        1. himRa
          himRa 23 September 2017 16: 44
          +3
          Quote: Equalized
          After the events of 2014, hypocrisy is the norm, all articles on military subjects in 99% of cases turn into srach and stupid comments, alas.

          Eh Had Muscovites! Shot down on take-off while trying to shout SUHS
          BUT it is already necessary to decide on whose side you are ... the hut from the edge does not pass here!
  5. JD1979
    JD1979 23 September 2017 15: 40
    +5
    Quote: Aron Zaavi
    I do not see modernization, the creation of an absolutely new air defense system using old workflows. There, from the old C-125, there was practically nothing left except iron.

    I will continue the thought. at such a pace, they will soon reach the creation of a completely new tank based on ... t-34, old iron - the filling from the bacon is new. Rarity on the black market will cost more. Do you also see modernization among amers? They are from something in the same "axes" where even the case is new from a platik, not iron, only the Block number is changed, not the name.
  6. Irek
    Irek 23 September 2017 16: 01
    13
    Kakelya has upgraded a lot of things ... F
  7. Snowball
    Snowball 23 September 2017 17: 00
    +2
    Well, what kind of army does Ukraine have - you’ll fight with that one (
    1. XXXIII
      XXXIII 23 September 2017 17: 36
      +2
      Probably a couple of Israelis in the atom ?! wink
      1. Popovich
        Popovich 23 September 2017 18: 11
        +1
        There is still a calendar “from the creation of the world”, which is considered official by Byzantium, saying that such a calendar was approved by the Byzantine emperor in 988 and took the year -5509 as the starting point (in 2017 it is 7526).
        With what joy? Since they were Christians, why didn’t they count from Jesus? What did they think from before, before 988? Maybe they took the calendar from the Jews from the Old Testament? So no! Jews count from -3761 (in 2017 they have 5778), and this is a spread of 1748 years.
        So where did the Byzantines get this date?
        Moreover, in 988, the genocide under the guise of Baptism in Russia just happened! Coincidence?
        We fought with Byzantium!
        Shield nailed to the gates of Constantinople? Nailed it!
        And they paid us tribute! And who then was the more powerful empire? So we were!
        But when we conducted the orange revolution with baptism and denazification, we began to draw up the imperial inheritance, to unite the empires into one, set up one calendar and apparently took ours as more ancient, and therefore more authoritative in the eyes of other empires? Maybe something like this ...
      2. Snowball
        Snowball 23 September 2017 18: 41
        0
        Quote: XXXIII
        A couple of Israelis in the atom probably have

        I don’t know, 99 percent there are Russians.
        1. XXXIII
          XXXIII 23 September 2017 19: 00
          +3
          Russians do not celebrate such a holiday ... fool
        2. Burbon
          Burbon 23 September 2017 22: 33
          +2
          Quote: Snowball
          Do not know

          then what post?
          Quote: Snowball
          99 percent there are Russians.

          I don’t know there ... I know and I’m sure ... although everything is about the same thing ... how the Jews were the instigators of all wars ... they remained ... Christ - the Jews crucified .... we have Trotsky, Dzerzhinsky, Sverdlov ... hundreds of thousands of liters of blood shed .... what to talk about with you? .....
          1. Al z
            Al z 13 February 2018 17: 21
            0
            And they drank water from a faucet, and then urinated into it .... And the right-winger thought compote ... How would I think so a tear and shibat ....
      3. Servisinzhener
        Servisinzhener 24 September 2017 19: 03
        0
        What does it have to do with it?
    2. HAM
      HAM 23 September 2017 17: 52
      +1
      Rather, you will fight with them. The entire top leadership of Ukraine will blow you with their private armies ..
  8. Firework
    Firework 23 September 2017 17: 10
    +1
    Such an upgrade will probably cost a lot, it’s easier to buy something modern, the characteristics are not impressive at all
    1. XXXIII
      XXXIII 23 September 2017 17: 32
      +1
      Yes, buy expensive and greedy ..... laughing
  9. Aviator_
    Aviator_ 23 September 2017 18: 39
    0
    Well, they’ll deliver a new GOS, but how then will the missile range increase from 25 to 40 km? Will a new engine be used running on fat?
    1. the lord
      the lord 23 September 2017 19: 01
      +2
      Ali is not clear? An ionized space forms in front of the launched missile on a new air defense system, which significantly dilutes the "ether" and the rocket, without experiencing usual resistance, flies on.
      1. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 23 September 2017 20: 30
        0
        I understand everything, ionized fat reduces air resistance.
    2. PVOSV
      PVOSV 24 September 2017 03: 56
      0
      In addition to the engine, it will be necessary to redo the entire rocket: the new GOS will require more energy - put the turbogenerator more powerful onboard the missiles, reflash the BAUP for control from the GOS again ...
      This is so offhand)))
      1. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 24 September 2017 21: 56
        +1
        If you grease everything with lard and paint it in a yellowish-black color, then there will be enough energy to fly to Mars, not that for some 40 km
  10. Bronevick
    Bronevick 23 September 2017 19: 00
    +3
    Yes, the system is good. Another 15 years will be relevant for banana republics.
  11. Govorun
    Govorun 23 September 2017 19: 18
    +4
    Ukraine has upgraded the Pechora anti-aircraft missile system C-125М
    Something I did not understand, it’s the legacy of the terrible Soviet regime, urgently to decommunize ... in place ... with hammers and crowbars.
    1. garri-lin
      garri-lin 23 September 2017 19: 46
      +3
      Ukraine itself is the legacy of the Soviet regime. And the fact that Ukrainian designers make of the legacy of the Soviet military-industrial complex cause tears.
  12. rocket757
    rocket757 23 September 2017 20: 04
    +8
    If you DO NOT UPGRADE an old rocket, it will not become noticeably better ... those designed. data cannot be changed significantly. Unless to get a ton of money into modernization and still get a mediocre result ...
    It is clear that it is more profitable to buy, design, manufacture a new, modern product .... if it is not possible - there is no money to buy it, it will produce the material and technical base by-by-bye ... it looks like an empty mess or an attempt to cut down pennies !!!
    PS I had to "communicate" with the rocket - for its time it was VESCH !!! But. to bring it to the modern type of level "replace the brain ... make it more beautiful" !!! And kinematics, dvigun and other kit identity change ?? et certainly nonsense !!! So as they wrote correctly ... to the natives !!! can be left to themselves, since they decided to return to the last century.
    1. Topotun
      Topotun 24 September 2017 08: 49
      +1
      It’s debatable that at one time we proposed the option of upgrading the Mig-21 to generation level 4. And Israel also offered its own version of such an upgrade. It would also seem an old glider, the engine is so-so. And it seems nothing came of it. Not the MiG-29, but quite a budget option to replace it. The complex of avionics also changed, the opportunity appeared to use modern weapons. It is possible here, even if the noise immunity of the control channel and the GOS simply increase, it is already a gain. With the same missile consumption, the probability of destroying the target increases. And modern complexes of money are worth it. True, one already has to look here - whether modernization will come to the price of a new one ....
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 24 September 2017 11: 00
        +4
        No modernization will help expand the scope of the tasks to be performed if the design of the product does not lay the foundation for this !!!
        Well this is a fundamental and expensive alteration to be done ... it is more rational to design a new product.
        Airplanes, bombs, missiles - something that air defense must fight with is also changing, becoming "smarter - faster" .... to combat them, a fundamentally different air defense system is needed.
        1. Topotun
          Topotun 24 September 2017 11: 36
          +1
          I will not argue here, although all the products of the USSR period have a very large supply for modernization. But smarter, faster have become better possible in the smarter area. As the speed of fixed assets remained unchanged. And on the contrary, for some reason, a bias towards slower CDs went. Although, perhaps the period of the departure of some systems and the advent of new ones was simply superimposed. But you must agree to already have a complex that is better to work in the same functionality than to have nothing. Especially in conditions of chronic lack of funds.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 24 September 2017 21: 37
            +4
            Why did the T-34 earn the title of the best WWII tank ??? Price-quality ratio.
            Anti-aircraft missiles of the USSR - the Russian Federation, are always made at the limit of the technical, economic and other capabilities of their time !!! However, this is done everywhere. a very important function for this type of weapon.
            There is no fundamental stock of the main components of the rocket.
            Replace the "brains" of the rocket is not to make it better for the rest of the performance characteristics.
            Those. a “smarter system” will fit into some not very advanced air defense system ... in a serious, advanced system it may turn out to be a WEAK LINK.
            PS "smarter, faster" is not about straightforward flight speed, it's stealth, maneuverability of airplanes, missiles, UAVs and smart planning bombs from which you really need to defend !!!! And she couldn’t !!!
            1. Gransasso
              Gransasso 24 September 2017 21: 40
              +1
              ".... For which the T-34 earned the title of the best WWII tank ??? Value PRICE-QUALITY ...."



              And can you name the Price t-34? ... and what quality was for this price ..
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 24 September 2017 21: 54
                +4
                I did not want to go into polemics over the T-34. Not in the subject and not for the comparison was.
                This is the TANK OF VICTORY, and the rest is blah blah blah.
                PS about the technical excellence (design) of German tanks, the comfort of the English and the reliability of the American ... there is no need to argue with me, not my topic.
      2. Captain Pushkin
        Captain Pushkin 24 September 2017 18: 25
        +1
        Quote: Topotun
        you need to look - whether modernization will come at the price of a new one ...

        At one time, the Americans offered Israel M-60 tanks for free withdrawal from Europe.
        The Jews said thanks for the kindness, but refused to take them, because the cost of bringing the M-60 to mind was comparable to the construction of new Merkavs.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 24 September 2017 21: 39
          +4
          The most important thing is that they do not do with the M-60 ... merkava would not work ANYTHING !!!
  13. Machete
    Machete 23 September 2017 20: 26
    +1
    I wonder how IT can be modernized now?
    I'm crying.
  14. vearey
    vearey 23 September 2017 21: 59
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    Quote: rocket757
    it seems like an empty mess or an attempt to cut down pennies !!!
    Or maybe they already have a buyer?
  15. APASUS
    APASUS 23 September 2017 22: 33
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    There is a negative point in this news. You cannot upgrade from a T-55 to a T-14
  16. mechanic 77
    mechanic 77 23 September 2017 23: 58
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    Under Yanyka, even dshk was sawn into German money (such as disarmament) Now Yanyk is in Russia. Here we are modernizing that the convict has not completed and has not sold ...
  17. mechanic 77
    mechanic 77 23 September 2017 23: 59
    +1
    And in stationary positions during the current hostilities, maxims of the 44th year work well.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 24 September 2017 10: 04
      +4
      It works ... until the enemy "sniper caliber that way 125 mm" in the position did not appear !!! It’s painfully noticeable position with MAXIM !!!
      And so, against the infantry, why didn’t he "work" effectively. Over the past decades, people have not changed physically or psychologically.
  18. mechanic 77
    mechanic 77 24 September 2017 00: 03
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    last comment did not go-When Yanyka sawed the DShK for German money - (disarmament type) So the modernization of the S-125 are happy.
  19. SergF123
    SergF123 24 September 2017 07: 01
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    Do not underestimate Pechora - This is a strong air defense, especially against the NATO forces, as practice has shown!)) And I hope the "western" radar will not complicate the downing of NATO aircraft in case of war!)
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 24 September 2017 09: 54
      +4
      Air defense is a whole complex of various systems. "Pechora" is one of the systems included in the air defense, performing a completely specific range of tasks, in accordance with the technical specifications.
      Everything changes ... good, but obsolete missiles do not "fit" into modern air defense.
  20. Topotun
    Topotun 24 September 2017 08: 39
    +1
    Ukraine or Belarus? In fact, Belarus has long been trying to push its modernization of this complex into the arms markets. And it seems in exactly the same directions. So the question is who and what upgraded.
  21. Green Chukotka
    Green Chukotka 24 September 2017 12: 15
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    semi-active and active hover heads is like a slingshot, no? explain)
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 24 September 2017 22: 42
      +4
      If, on a simple basis, semi-active, it’s like “idiots”, they’ll “see, a little crap”, but basically they are controlled from the base-land. Active - "very smart" types see everything, mumble and chase the goal ... a primitive, truncated description, but something like that.
  22. Ilja2016
    Ilja2016 24 September 2017 13: 26
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    Quote: Normal ok
    Quote: 210ox
    Although any air defense system is being destroyed, they are trying to eliminate it all in the first place.

    Reading your comments, I was of the opinion that you are a normal person (not a couch), and you understand what you are commenting on. Therefore, you have the thesis - everything is easily destroyed only on paper! In reality, NATO had to make a lot of efforts to break the air defense of Yugoslavia. Ukraine has much stronger air defense. If the 125 are returned to service, it will be even stronger. Think about it.

    And you do not compare Yugoslavia with Ukraine. The mentality is different
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 24 September 2017 22: 57
      +4
      Although any complex is destroyed, the question is at what PRICE !!!
      Everything has long been determined - you want to sleep, reign, calmly do not press on the costs of creating, purchasing a full-fledged, modern air defense ... provide high-quality staff training and training and do not forget for the motivation of those who will protect you country !!!
  23. vviller
    vviller 24 September 2017 19: 03
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    they just help North Korea, missiles are firing into nowhere. if only Trump did not recognize.
  24. Servisinzhener
    Servisinzhener 25 September 2017 10: 42
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    Modernization is certainly good, especially if you still put the complex on tractors making it more mobile. But there is only one problem, such a complex is useful to Ukraine if it suddenly decides to fight with Moldova or Georgia. For the war with Russia about which many horses dream, it will be suitable only as a target. Because the launch range of our PRR far exceeds the range of even a modernized complex. Yes, and the EPR of anti-radar missiles is orders of magnitude less than 5 square meters. What was perfectly shown by the example of the war of 8 years, when the Georgian air defense was taken seriously with the use of PRR and electronic warfare. It was enough for one day. Even radars were killed at airports.
    Well, or for export, to reflect the Nambian Air Force raids on Wambia laughing
  25. Al z
    Al z 13 February 2018 16: 28
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    Does it bother me alone that there is no information about the tests and the adoption of the Armed Forces of Ukraine?