Expert: the use of "Caliber" in Syria is justified

The use of sea-based Russian-made Calibr cruise missiles at terrorist facilities in Syria is justified in a number of aspects, including those that are in line with the combat coordination of crews and the development of seafarers in a combat situation of the latest weapons, as well as the effective damage to international terrorists. This was stated by the former commander of the Baltic fleet (2001-2006) Admiral Vladimir Valuev.

RIA News quotes the words of the admiral:

The use of submarines with "Caliber" in the composition of the compounds is fully justified. Calculations of the correlation of forces of the parties are made, and on the basis of calculations, the methods and type of weapons to be used are determined. Our command very competently uses Caliber cruise missiles against the enemy. Coordination is carried out in combat training grounds. It is very expensive: practical missiles are used without a warhead. In this case, it is possible to combine the combat coordination of the crew with real combat operations. The use of rocket weapons is not in the conditions of the landfill, but in the conditions of hostilities on the basis of calculated data and the rules of warfare - this is fully justified, and, I think, even more profitable than just mastering them in landfills

- noted Valuev.

According to him, "the same missiles are used in the landfills, only, as they say, there is no particular effect."

Here at the same time combat tasks are solved. So it is very correct that the latest missiles are used. Expensive or not, it is necessary to calculate the value of objects destroyed by "Caliber". I believe that the damage inflicted on terrorists exceeds the value of our ship-borne missiles.

- said the source

He stressed that in any case, achieving victory over international terrorism and strengthening Russia's military security justifies the costs of using expensive weapons.

By the way, checking the effectiveness of the latest weapons in combat conditions will make it possible to further modernize it, taking into account the identified shortcomings

- Admiral added.

Comments

[forester]

Yes, who would doubt it !!!

[siberalt]

Learning and mastering new weapons is not harmful. Especially when there are live enemy targets! What really decided there with the American military in Syria, but the fucking in the baboons gloriously! Moreover, they also said that the Americans provoked an attack on our police officers, for which they received an answer. And this is a firm position.

[Thrall]

Everything is more complicated there, unfortunately. According to ideology, religion and genes, "Caliber" can not be fucked ...

[Inok10]

Quote: Thrall

Everything is more complicated there, unfortunately.

... really more complicated than most often try to imagine ... ATS is not a monoreligious state, but multi-confessional ... Muslims and then of different branches, Alawites, Kurds, Shiites, Druze ... Christians, Zoroastrians ...

Quote: Thrall

According to ideology, religion and genes, "Caliber" can not be fucked ...

... this is not necessary, and the current state of things clearly shows this ... an alien ideology was brought to the UAR, on the old soil of the Muslim Brothers ... this is an old story ... Muhabarat in the UAR always had enough work ...

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Inok10

it’s really more complicated than they most often try to imagine ... the SAR is not a mono-religious state, but a multiconfessional ... Muslims and then of different branches, Alawites, Kurds, Shiites, Druze ... Christians, Zoroastrians ...

Before the intervention in Syria of a digitalized "world" community, no one there did not divide according to national religious, etc., etc. sign !!!

[Inok10]

Quote: Nikolai the Greek

Before the intervention in Syria of a digitalized "world" community, no one there did not divide according to national religious, etc., etc. sign !!!

... alas, this is not so ... read how many coups Muslim Brotherhood tried under Papa Bashar, Hafez and why the Kurds were deprived of SAR citizenship and all property rights, as well as why his uncle, the pope’s brother, cooked in Paris since the 70s of the last century ... there are plenty of materials from the network ... emoticons are not an argument ...

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Inok10

read how many coups Muslim Brotherhood tried to arrange

the same nonsense as saying that in the 90s there was no outside interference in Chechnya, they say, there was no presence of world terrorism there !! still charge that the Muslim brothers are the original Syrian legal political party !!!

[Inok10]

Quote: Nikolai the Greek

still charge that the Muslim brothers are the original Syrian legal political party !!!

... for you, only for you, you do not belong to the number of people in VO who simply can easily tell me YOU ...
... when you do not smoke the situation, it would be better to keep silent ... The Muslim Brotherhood had a completely legal existence and activity from 1937 to 1964 (the Syrian Arab Republic was created in 1946) representing the Sunni extreme right wing of Islam - Wahhabism, the ruling Ba'ath of the Sunni / Shiite / Alawite moderate wing of Islam, the majority of Muslims of the SAR, and so it was until February 1964, before the rebellion in Hama, launched by the Muslim Brotherhood, which was suppressed by the Ba'ath and then Sunni leader Amin Hafez ... this only the tip of the iceberg, I feel I need to write an article, but this is not earlier than November ... but it will allow most VO readers to understand that DAISH did not appear from scratch in the SAR ... the soil was prepared by the Muslim Brotherhood ...

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Inok10

Quote: Nikolai the Greek

still charge that the Muslim brothers are the original Syrian legal political party !!!

... for you, only for you, you do not belong to the number of people in VO who simply can easily tell me YOU ...
... when you do not smoke the situation, it would be better to keep silent ... The Muslim Brotherhood had a completely legal existence and activity from 1937 to 1964 (the Syrian Arab Republic was created in 1946) representing the Sunni extreme right wing of Islam - Wahhabism, the ruling Ba'ath of the Sunni / Shiite / Alawite moderate wing of Islam, the majority of Muslims of the SAR, and so it was until February 1964, before the rebellion in Hama, launched by the Muslim Brotherhood, which was suppressed by the Ba'ath and then Sunni leader Amin Hafez ... this only the tip of the iceberg, I feel I need to write an article, but this is not earlier than November ... but it will allow most VO readers to understand that DAISH did not appear from scratch in the SAR ... the soil was prepared by the Muslim Brotherhood ...

Muslim brothers are an organization that has become a terrorist organization brought to Syria .... so there is no need for fairy tales about "not everything is so simple in Syria, Syria is to blame" !!! similar garbage was happening in our Chechnya !!!

[dubovitskiy.1947]

Quote: Thrall

Everything is more complicated there, unfortunately. According to ideology, religion and genes, "Caliber" can not be fucked ...

Each weapon has its own tasks. The fact that Caliber and similar means capable of putting American aircraft carriers on a joke, to educate in the mind of the enemy that it is available anywhere in the world, and punishment is inevitable, sober those who think to carry out provocations.

[Vadim237]

Alas, these missiles are not able to put the aircraft carriers on the joke, since the missile defense is hundreds of times larger.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Vadim237

Alas, these missiles are not able to put the aircraft carriers on the joke, since the missile defense is hundreds of times larger.

These missiles may not be capable ... but the upgraded Grenade on Cheeks-B, or Zircon is very capable, I think. By the way, if Zircon has not yet been adopted, then the Garnet has been with us since the 80s. And since then, I think it has been modernized more than once. It was he who was the answer to the mattress Tomahawks, and not Caliber, as many think.
By the way, the modernized Pomegranate is in the arsenal of Iskander ...

[opus]

Quote: NEXUS

then the Pomegranate has been with us since 80's

3K10, SS-N-21 SAMPSON was adopted by 31 on December 1983, decommissioned 1989 year, 2012 year left over scrap made in UdSSR
Therefore, "Caliber" was born.

Quote: NEXUS

not Caliber, as many think.

the stump is clear, it wasn’t even then when the Tomogawks were born and developed
The first stage of state testing of the Caliber complex and the 3M-14 rocket was carried out by the Novator Design Bureau in 2009-2011
Ps.
KS-122 has never been RCC

Quote: NEXUS

By the way, the modernized Pomegranate is in the arsenal of Iskander ...

9М728 on 1 meter with + shorter than КС-122 (Garnet) and also shorter than ЗМ-14
conclusion is not

Quote: NEXUS

upgraded pomegranate

Next is isho
9M729 rocket (more than 5500 km) - SSC-X-8, SPN 9X701, this is a variant of the X-101 rocket

[NEXUS]

Quote: opus

9М728 on 1 meter with + shorter than КС-122 (Garnet) and also shorter than ЗМ-14
conclusion is not
Quote: NEXUS
upgraded pomegranate

I don’t think so ... for so many years, Grenade must have been facilitated and possibly shortened ... so, Anton, your conclusion does not hold water.

[opus]

Quote: NEXUS

The pomegranate was probably relieved and possibly shortened.

3K10 produced the entire Union. There is no union with 1991.
Therefore, ZM-14.
"facilitate" and "shorten" just like that: aerodynamic quality, centering, cd and so on.
= new aircraft.
What do you think the country has no need for a light one-motor MFI?
what else, however, "Dry" cannot "shorten", "facilitate" and cut down the "" 1 engine.
From the word at all, it is a completely new car.
it seems so simple: the similarity theorem = reduce in proportions

[andrewkor]

And if with a vigorous warhead? (About Caliber and aircraft carrier) [quote] [/ quote]

[poquello]

Quote: Vadim237

Alas, these missiles are not able to put the aircraft carriers on the joke, since the missile defense is hundreds of times larger.

are you kidding the first thing that Americans will do with aircraft carriers in the event of a conflict is to hide them from heavy cruisers and nuclear submarines, they have no defense against granites, and the bourgeoisie’s ability to fly caliber from small ships has increased greatly, it’s too early to talk about zircons and new squalls, but if everything was as expected - the Americans lagged behind for decades

[dubovitskiy.1947]

Quote: Vadim237

Alas, these missiles are not able to put the aircraft carriers on the joke, since the missile defense is hundreds of times larger.

Two dozen simultaneously released will destroy not only the boxes themselves, but also the nature around them.

https://topwar.ru/125634-national-interest-rf-i-k
nr-postavyat-krest-na-amerikanskih-avianoscah.htm
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[Observer2014]

dubovitskiy.1947

Each weapon has its own tasks. The fact that Caliber and similar means capable of putting American aircraft carriers on a joke, to educate in the mind of the enemy that it is available anywhere in the world, and punishment is inevitable, sober those who think to carry out provocations.

Absolutely true. I want to add that the use of Caliber launchers by these crews in Syria trains them in combat use better than any training launches. Why thresh missiles at the training grounds if you can use the product for good (fighting terror). Well and the rest is a visual aid for partners. Let them see what happens. If that.

[andrewkor]

Where did you find this ++++ !!!! I'm talking about a cliff with a kid !!!

[max702]

The use of weapons not in the conditions of the training ground, but in the conditions of military operations on the basis of the calculated data and the rules of warfare is justified, and, in my opinion, even much more profitable than simply mastering them in the training grounds
This is one of the most important reasons for the presence of the US Armed Forces in Afghanistan .. They found a personal training ground, but sometimes they die, it’s nothing, anything happens in exercises (especially as close as possible to the database) ..

[79807420129]

Quote: max702

This is one of the most important reasons for the presence of US forces in Afghanistan.

Yes, and we are not bad in Syria And in the stripes, both Afghanistan and Iraq, the same Syria, and even drugs are being driven with might and main from Afghanistan, in which they got attached.

[opus]

Quote: max702

This is one of the most important reasons for finding the US Armed Forces in Afghanistan.

no
1. This bridgehead is very beneficial both against Russia and against China — if you place strategic aviation there, you can reach key strategic areas of both countries, and in those areas on which there is practically no air defense and even radar surveillance
2: Pocket Terrorists Supervised
3. In Nuristan and Badakhshan, ore deposits of rare elements (beryllium, tantalum, niobium, Lithium)
+ In the list of explored - iron, cobalt, gold, copper totaling more than 900 billion dollars
iron - the value of its reserves is estimated by American geologists at 421 billion dollars, copper costs 274 billion dollars, rare earth metal niobium at 81,2 billion dollars, cobalt - 50,8 billion, gold - 25 billion and molybdenum - 24 billion.
lithium deposits are the richest in the world.

[oldseaman1957]

Quote: opus

the bridgehead is very beneficial both against Russia and against China

- The bridgehead is profitable, but the FAR, Ulyanovsk and Manas were removed, adding problems to the “partners”. And the Afghans themselves “love” them and we need to help them in this “love”. Enough to be shy, debt payment is red!

[Yuyuka]

Quote: forester

Yes, who would doubt it !!!

yes there are comrades among us ... who are not at all comrades to us!

how they start whining - how much money flew into the pipe, it would be possible ... but didn’t you think about environmental pollution at home? and money for preparing worthy targets? for a salary for a warrant officer with an ax who, with a company of soldiers, is planing an "enemy" tank?

[Maz]

A rocket can be assembled within a day. Create and bring components in a week / two. But a person to grow, educate and train for twenty years at least. So sho by itself is justified. Learn from Israel to protect your soldiers, if it does not come naturally. No rocket is worth the life of my soldier. Let the bullet.

[Aaron Zawi]

Russia brilliantly seized the opportunity to test new weapons in Syria. If we compare the accuracy of the “Gauges” launched first and those that have been used recently, then these are “two big differences”.

[Pivot]

Previously, they fell into a circle with a radius of 10 m and now in a circle of 10 cm.

[Candratius]

yes who will check

[Pivot]

Well, Aaron somehow checked it. He must be asked.

[Pivot]

Lord Judea, there was already a sunset on Friday, why do you sin. Plains forbidden to use flame, or you fast with the power of thought?

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Pivot

Lord Judea, there was already a sunset on Friday, why do you sin. Plains forbidden to use flame, or you fast with the power of thought?

No, I'm in disagreement with them.

[marshes]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

No, I'm in disagreement with them.

And what about the holidays, by the way Happy New Year! ROSH HA SHANA,

[Maz]

In contrast, you can’t do anything. They are smarter, meaner, more cunning. And you depend on them, not they on you. And you will do what they decide. You are in their system. And you won’t get anywhere. I'm free. And my system is here. No priests.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Pivot

Well, Aaron somehow checked it. He must be asked.

All thanks to the “Caliber” hit videos provided by the Russian Ministry of Defense.

[Pivot]

Yes, these videos are computer graphics for the average citizen.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Pivot

Yes, these videos are computer graphics for the average citizen.

Well, the videos taken by the UAV from the graphics will not be cured only by the lazy.

[Pivot]

Yes, this is the machinations of the Putin regime.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Pivot

Well, Aaron somehow checked it. He must be asked.

[voyaka uh]

The Caliber Calibrators have about 10 m. And this is a good result. Unguided weapons - bombs, shells - 50-100 m

[iouris]

In theory, with a CVT - about 10 m with a probability of almost 1,00, the deviation will not exceed 40 m. In half the cases, the deviation will be higher than 10 m.

[DEPARTMENT]

Quote: Aaron Zawi

Russia brilliantly seized the opportunity to test new weapons in Syria. If we compare the accuracy of the “Gauges” launched first and those that have been used recently, then these are “two big differences”.

Thanks Aron for the assessment, we tried ..! Now, if Israel had originally helped us, it could have done without calibers .. Your punches to our backs are very painful for Russia! We are very angry and our allies, too, are looking at us with bewilderment ... Would you stop these bombings from far away for us ..! Russia’s nerves are not iron either!

[Livonetc]

Aron, who are you? :)

[Yura]

Quote: Livonetc

Aron, who are you? :)

The one whose portrait is on your avatar.

[bald]

Well answered, already neighing - simply and tastefully!

[Kasym]

Aron is a respected colleague by many. And you?
Well, what kind of question? You probably judge people by flags, but in vain. And, please, do not arrange a discussion on the Jewish theme.
I don’t understand how it is "without a warhead"? Is it just due to kinetic energy and fuel residues that the rockets “quench” the barmalei? Can anyone clarify?

[79807420129]

Quote: Kasym

I don’t understand how it is “without a warhead”?

A colleague, not special, but without a warhead, they are used in training exercises at a training ground or tests, in Syria, of course, all launches with a warhead.

[samoletil18]

The armed forces are simple. A fuse was taken out of the shell - it is training, a broken phone becomes training, a machine gun and a spoon with an enlightened hole are also training. It turns out, Caliber without without b / h training, and with it combat, i.e. on barmaley. At least that was the case in the Soviet Army. Not sure what is different now

[Yuyuka]

I don’t understand how it is "without a warhead"? Is it just due to kinetic energy and fuel residues that the rockets “quench” the barmalei? Can anyone clarify?
read again more closely -

Co-ordination is carried out in combat training grounds. It is very costly: practical missiles are being used without a warhead.

meaning if co-ordination in "home" conditions, in exercises.

[Kasym]

Thanks, got it. The pros will spin, that a simple curious can not immediately understand for "coordination", etc.

[poquello]

Quote: Kasym

I don’t understand

Kasym, it’s real to read diagonally only from the upper left to the lower right, other options let a part of the text pass by, without war in exercises

[Kasym]

It happens what to do !?

[bobba94]

This is physics. Energy is the result of multiplying mass by speed. A meteorite with a diameter of 10 meters can cause a large cucumber when it falls to Earth. This is speed. And if you throw this meteorite to the Earth from an altitude of 10 km, even 100 km, then there will be a simple zilch, because there is mass, but there is no speed. A shot that hit a tank at a speed of 100 Mach will turn it into dust.

[poquello]

Quote: bobba94

Pellet, hit the tank at a speed of 100 Mach, turn it into dust.

and snot?

[bald]

But it is a jellyfish substance, it will boil the atmosphere, it will not touch the earth (100 kg).

[samoletil18]

Shot at a speed of 100 Mach evaporate before reaching the tank. We need to think about how to create a vacuum in front of her. The pellet is 1000 orders cheaper than MANPADS! GIVE A FREE VACUUM!

[poquello]

Quote: samoletil18

We need to think about how to create a vacuum in front of her.

Sadness, but I thought - we’ll start to kill the tanks with nozzles.

[DEPARTMENT]

Quote: Kasym

Aron - respected by many colleagues

Looking here ... (quiet calm, judicious)))) But the "torpedoes" launches at the right time and on target ..

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Livonetc

Aron, who are you? :)

Old Jew.

[major071]

Oh, where did the earth go
No need to put pressure on old age
Aron, please tell me.
On women, even a little bit left?

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: major071

Oh, where did the earth go
No need to put pressure on old age
Aron, please tell me.
On women, even a little bit left?

A little bit

[andrewkor]

Half a bump? (Just kidding, don’t be offended)

[samoletil18]

Aaron, you hold on there

[Yuyuka]

Old Jew.
Well, the old one isn’t scary - after all, don’t cook it!

[padded jacket]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Old Jew. request

Well, why are you exaggerating Aron? How old are you? You wrote that you are from 1969 years, that is, you are 47 years old and this is only the middle of life

[marshes]

Quote: quilted jacket

Well, why are you exaggerating Aron? How old are you? You wrote that you are from 1969 years, that is, you are 47 years old and this is only the middle of life

And this is the middle of life, by the way, Kazakhs do not celebrate birthdays from 40 to 50 years old, very high mortality in these years due to health.

[padded jacket]

Quote: marshes

And this is the middle of life

Well, I’m talking about the same kind of Israeli Jew who claimed here that on average Israeli Jews have lived for more than 80 years, so by these standards our Aron is still in the prime of life

[marshes]

Quote: quilted jacket

Well, I’m talking about the same kind of Israeli Jew who claimed here that on average Israeli Jews have lived for more than 80 years, so by these standards our Aron is still in the prime of life

Jews have lived in Israel for quite some time, thanks to advanced medicine. What would we wish for.
And that he 47 is almost the age of my older brother, by the way, his wife is Jewish so four daughters who? did not work with the peasants, nature gave everything to her younger brother.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: marshes

And that he 47 is almost the age of my older brother, by the way, his wife is Jewish so four daughters who? did not work with the peasants, nature gave everything to her younger brother.

100 GALAX%% of Jews and their children will also be considered Jews.

[marshes]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

100 GALAX%% of Jews and their children will also be considered Jews.

This is what I’m talking about, now my brother and I are having a figurative competition, he is waiting and I’m waiting for the boy and I’ll be the daughter, considering that the younger ones went to school this year and the brother has already been grandfather twice.

[samoletil18]

In Soviet times, they would have been written down by Russians. My mother was in charge of the registry office in Soviet times, I was in Alma-Ata to exchange experience, there she was explained how to do it. I was then about 15 years old, and took it as a wise decision: anyway, we live in one country.
And now they are even better: in Israel - the Jews, in Kazakhstan - the Kazakhs. Along the way, and in Russia - Russian. What is this? When will the USSR be reborn and the Israeli Soviet Socialist Republic will appear? Well, well, my wife is Jewish too.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: quilted jacket

Well, why are you exaggerating Aron? How old are you? You wrote that you are from 1969 years, that is, you are 47 years old and this is only the middle of life

Something I feel myself stern.

[padded jacket]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Something I feel myself stern.

Maybe your wife just shut you up?
You are the one to be strong. Your posts all of us urgently need on the site.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: quilted jacket

Maybe your wife just shut you up?
You are the one to be strong. Your posts all of us urgently need on the site.

Probably not. Once again, lost in the ring. We have veterans 2 age 40-55. Young people come on 40let. It seems that we must finally switch to the rocking chair. Boxed out.

[dubovitskiy.1947]

Quote: Aaron Zawi

Quote: quilted jacket

Well, why are you exaggerating Aron? How old are you? You wrote that you are from 1969 years, that is, you are 47 years old and this is only the middle of life

Something I feel myself stern.

Come back to Russia. Feel young again.

[NKVD]

It seems that the caliber began to bake like pies. That's what our likely friends scream.

[newcomer]

of course justified, like the entire list of our weapons used in Syria, both new types and those that are in service, but have not been tested in battle.

[mgfly]

Long time ago (probably a year ago), argued with Batya that "Putin" (not mine, from the network) allows wild spending on desert rocketting! and Dad finally agreed with me (with which he was surprised and why he was grateful!) that our systems work there in combat conditions (although what kind of opposition do the women have?). calibers cost money, but here they work like polygons do not simulate! even if the calibers do not fit the target - this is information for analysts, and it will be needed in battle .... especially since I work at 5 + !!!!

[Sharansky]

Yes, it will be very comforting when we are left without pants.

[Roma 1977]

It’s better without pants than without calibers. Historical memory.

[zivXP]

Quote: Aaron Zawi

Quote: Livonetc

Aron, who are you? :)

Old Jew.

Well, most importantly, dear.

[Livonetc]

Quote: Kasym

Aron is a respected colleague by many. And you?
Well, what kind of question? You probably judge people by flags, but in vain. And, please, do not arrange a discussion on the Jewish theme.
I don’t understand how it is "without a warhead"? Is it just due to kinetic energy and fuel residues that the rockets “quench” the barmalei? Can anyone clarify?

You said that on a Jewish theme.
I am interested in something else.
Even if an old pro man is interested in opening access to materials on which it is possible to judge the progress in the accuracy and effectiveness of missile weapons used by Russia in Syria.
It's nothing personal.
Or maybe such conclusions can be drawn from materials laid out in the public domain.
And I'm a simple manager who served an urgent job in the construction battalion.
I just don’t believe in miracles.
Also not young. :)

[Snowball]

Expensive pleasure, and Putin said that the operation in Syria costs almost nothing, they say they are disposing of obsolete ammunition.

[region58]

Quote: Snowball

Putin said the operation in Syria costs almost nothing

Offhand for 2016:

The operation of the Russian Aerospace Forces in Syria cost 33 billion rubles, but these funds were planned in the budget of the Ministry of Defense for exercises and combat training. This was announced by Russian President Vladimir Putin at a meeting with the military.

"Of course, the military operation in Syria also required certain costs, but the bulk of them - the resources of the Ministry of Defense, about 33 billion rubles - had already been budgeted by the ministry itself in 2015 for conducting exercises and combat training; we simply reoriented these resources to provide groups in Syria, "he said.


More on TASS:
http://tass.ru/politika/2747726

[Karen]

Nearly half a century ago, the Arabs turned to a Moscow Jew - for decent money, to help speed up the delivery of an air defense component to them. This Jew, being a patriot of his historical homeland, turned to the Zionists for permission. The answer was very interesting: to do everything honestly (it still won’t work), and leave a third of the sum of the synagogue ...

[aszzz888]

... better on barmaley than on targets ...

[bald]

Combat experience is priceless. In addition to the launch, so much is being worked out, for example, the same departure and maneuvering of the nuclear submarines after the launch of the Caliber and this is all in combat conditions, because after the launch, tracking of the boat begins not only from satellites, and here it is necessary to "get lost".

[tlauicol]

not the Premier League, but the Premier League! And then, they pop up after every job

[bald]

Automatically wrote a nuclear submarine, of course diesel-electric (not essential). And what - surfaced in the same place (sea mill), where they made the launch?

[BVS]

Quote - "According to him," the same missiles are used in the ranges, only, as they say, there is no special effect. ""
According to this pensioner, and given completely, no matter what is taken out of context, the use of fire weapons at the training grounds does not have an effect.
Then you need to cancel all the training exercises and for a special effect to open the third world war.
The word is not a sparrow; you won’t fly out!

[andrewkor]

Dear BVS, there are no barmalei landfills and there isn’t that effect in the form of roasted meat of scattered brains and other parts of bodies in large quantities.

[Altona]

Quote: Vadim237

Alas, these missiles are not able to put the aircraft carriers on the joke, since the missile defense is hundreds of times larger.

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Not capable? Even as capable! I do not mean aircraft carriers, but those who steer them. Now these missiles are hammering not only terrorist bases, this probably wasn’t even necessary for using such expensive weapons, but they are cooling the fervor of our "partners".
PS By the way, if you follow the course of wars, then aircraft carriers come after cruise missiles. At first, air defense and coastguard infrastructure are smashed by cruise missiles so that nothing prevents the aircraft carrier from bombing.
PPS It is very difficult to knock down a flying object enveloping the folds of an area with a missile defense system.

[Gransasso]

".... PPS. It is very difficult to knock down an anti-ballistic missile flying around an area’s folds ...."



And what folds do these objects bend around at sea? ....

[dubovitskiy.1947]

Quote: Gransasso

".... PPS. It is very difficult to knock down an anti-ballistic missile flying around an area’s folds ...."



And what folds do these objects bend around at sea? ....

If they fly at a height of several meters above the water, then they are not visible with almost any locators.

[Gransasso]

If they fly at a height of several meters above the water, then their radius is not more than 150 km .... and the radius of the air defense / ПКО / ПЛО AUG-800/1000 km ...

[dubovitskiy.1947]

Quote: Gransasso

If they fly at a height of several meters above the water, then their radius is not more than 150 km .... and the radius of the air defense / ПКО / ПЛО AUG-800/1000 km ...

And who told you that they fly low all the time? It’s not even clear for a specialist that they’re getting closer to the goal, and they can overcome the entire route in the rarefaction zone.
And about 1000 km, you are very excited.

[Altona]

Quote: quilted jacket

Well, why are you exaggerating Aron? How old are you? You wrote that you are from 1969 years, that is, you are 47 years old and this is only the middle of life

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We are the same age as it turns out.

[Berkut24]

I recently read an article where the author wondered why expensive rockets hit penny goals. Well, firstly, they’re not hitting the shacks, but very interesting people inside this shack, and secondly, if you lift the aircraft, our partners manage to track it and warn the “democratic terrorists” - this has already happened more than once or twice. But the “Caliber” is not so noticeable, changes the flight path and, apparently, our “partners” do not even have time to throw their wards into the phone.

[Alexey-74]

That's right, all the moments are taken into account!

[BVS]

Quote: andrewkor

Dear BVS, there are no barmalei landfills and there isn’t that effect in the form of roasted meat of scattered brains and other parts of bodies in large quantities.

A sailor sitting in the cabin of a warship in the Mediterranean does not see, does not smell from the bodies of burnt barmales in Syria. And I don’t understand how the invisible and imperceptible can increase the effect of learning.

[andrewkor]

Dear BVS, a simple example: in order to evaluate the effect of an atomic bomb explosion, whole towns are being built at the test site, obsolete military equipment is being transported, ships are being tested at the marine training range, which one was effectively burnt in Hiroshima and Nagasaki? The same thing, on a smaller scale, and on the real barmels in Syria. And the respected admiral, in my opinion, clearly expressed the difference between the training ground and the war, what did you get to know it?

[Altona]

Quote: Gransasso

".... PPS. It is very difficult to knock down an anti-ballistic missile flying around an area’s folds ...."
And what folds do these objects bend around at sea? ...

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What kind? Yes, no, they just fly low. But no one knocks the ship down with a "caliber". Read the comment carefully.
PS I wrote that "calibers cool the ardor of our partners, and not the aircraft carriers themselves destroy." How do you read? You write a whole article in a comment, you don’t understand either. I crushed the site, some small trolls with Italian flags roam.

[Gransasso]

Because probably write nonsense ..... what is the range of RCC Caliber in flight mode "very low"? ...

[Gransasso]

Quote: dubovitskiy.1947

Quote: Gransasso

If they fly at a height of several meters above the water, then their radius is not more than 150 km .... and the radius of the air defense / ПКО / ПЛО AUG-800/1000 km ...

And who told you that they fly low all the time? It’s not even clear for a specialist that they’re getting closer to the goal, and they can overcome the entire route in the rarefaction zone.
And about 1000 km, you are very excited.

Even a non-specialist should understand that when they "cross the track in the air rarefaction zone", they fly at high altitude and accordingly become easily detectable .... and even in this mode, the distance of these anti-ship missiles is 300 km ... about target designation on these silent distances ...

About 1000 km did not get excited. This is the combat radius of the aircraft AUG

[Bronevick]

Bulk purchases will reduce the cost

[Alexey-74]

Very correct decision! I would love to observe how ours, after carrying out all the reconnaissance activities, would beat the "Caliber" on the barmales in the number of pieces so 20-30 .... I think the effect would be very powerful !!!!!!!!!!! !!

[Ace Tambourine]

Here, I swear, I am not a supporter of extremely utopian ways to solve problems ...
But, at least now, it is necessary to solve the problem clearly and unequivocally ...
Will all these Annanos disappear? No and never ... They will appear in another place under a different name and, which is unlikely, with other goals ..
Well, in my short-sighted opinion, it’s easier for Kuzkin to use Mother once to remember ...
Although ... the Japanes somehow don’t worry that their owners fucked up .. Maybe this is Munich syndrome?
And so, ... we just drive the problem into a long box, but it will come out and suck our resources and Time from there

[Ace Tambourine]

To be honest, there’s nothing to lose ...
Living in poverty under the cooperative "Lake" is not an option, because sooner or later it will burn ...
Follow the Nasral? .. Lake 2?
Wait for the squeezed barmalei to climb through Afghanistan?
Believe the "partners"?
Oh no ... It's just mine ... I don't want to live on my knees, I'd rather die on my feet ...