National Interest: the Russian Federation and China will put an end to American aircraft carriers

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The development of anti-ship assets in Russia and China threatens the very value of the American aircraft carriers as the main "currency" of the Navy, writes The National Interest.





“Since the 40s of the XNUMXth century, aircraft carriers have been the backbone of the naval fleet, and to this day remain the main "currency" of the Navy. However, all the time of their existence, plans were developed to combat them. Although the particulars of these plans are changing, the basic principles remain unchanged. Nevertheless, many believe that the innovations of China and Russia in the field of armaments can put an end to the aircraft carrier, ”the article cites InoTV.

“Suppose you want to sink an aircraft carrier. What will you do for this? ”, Asks the author. And he himself answers:

“First, back in the Second World War, submarine torpedoes were used to destroy aircraft carriers. To this day, the Russian and Chinese fleets are practicing attacks on the US carrier strike forces (AUG); The fleets of the Western powers are doing the same.

Secondly, cruise missiles launched from airplanes, ships, submarines and ground installations are of considerable danger to aircraft carriers. At the moment, China and Russia are armed with a wide range of systems for launching cruise missiles capable of delivering strikes against US AUG.

Thirdly, to combat aircraft carriers in recent decades, the latest anti-ship ballistic missiles have appeared. For example, the Chinese Df-21 is capable of hitting American aircraft carriers from hitherto inconceivable distances, bypassing existing protection systems at high speed. Even the kinetic energy of this rocket is enough to, if not sink the aircraft carrier, then destroy its deck, which would make the ship almost useless. "

Appearance of the like weapons pushed the US Navy to force the development of anti-missile systems. However, "the ability of the Navy to provide reliable protection for its aircraft carriers is under big question, which made the US Navy think about the value of aircraft carriers in a full-scale war, especially given their astronomical value."

It is possible that Russia and China do not need to sink aircraft carriers to bring the ships of this type to extinction. All the above factors - types of weapons that can destroy aircraft carriers, and their high cost - can lead to the fact that these ships will be used very carefully. In the event of a conflict, American admirals and the president may begin to worry so much about the vulnerability of aircraft carriers that they will not use them effectively,
the author writes.

The enormous value of these ships will be their main weakness, which will lead them to remain on the outskirts of intense conflict, he believes. This, in turn, will lead to the obsolescence of ships.

But does this mean that aircraft carriers have become obsolete weapons? Not. Russia and China have persistently developed methods of dealing with them, because they consider these ships as the most serious threat. Moreover, these countries have created a whole range of weapons, as aircraft carriers have something to respond to. In addition, China has recently initiated its own aircraft carrier development program,
notes journalist.

And yet, aircraft carriers are in real danger from advanced military technology. The main threat comes more from a lack of material and technical equipment, and “if the US cannot stop the rising cost of aircraft carriers and aircraft on board, then it will not be easy for these ships to maintain their place in the current architecture of the US defense policy,” he concludes.
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  1. +32
    22 September 2017 14: 58
    Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, Igor Konashenkov: "Aircraft carrier is a convenient naval target."
    1. +4
      22 September 2017 15: 06
      Russia and China put an end to US aircraft carriers
      - Oh, how many lards were buried! Plus hemorrhoids: what else scare us ??? But the strengths are not the same ...
      1. +28
        22 September 2017 15: 33
        The main threat comes rather from a lack of material and technical equipment
        In my opinion, this is the key phrase in the article ...! All their "expert" opinions, especially the opinions of the "experts" of the National Interest, boil down to a banal "give money, otherwise we have nothing to fight with Russia and China ...!"
        1. +1
          22 September 2017 17: 32
          Totally agree hi
      2. +2
        22 September 2017 20: 27
        Quote: oldseaman1957
        - Eh, how many lardov buried!

        La la la la
        NI-Dimka Sainz (at birth Dmitry Konstantinovich Simis-Tsi (s) mus probably?), Jew, excuse me for any stigma (on the Jewish line there is nowhere to put)
        worked as a scientific and technical officer in the State Historical Museum, then entered the day department of the Faculty of History of Moscow State University, from where he was forced to switch to extramural from the second year after he entered a dangerous debate with the teacher of the history of the CPSU regarding the assessment of Lenin's works. At the same time, Dmitry Simis got a job in the Fundamental Library of Social Sciences of the USSR Academy of Sciences (

        +
        Dave Mudzhmahar- this generally hzk.
        They will not give you such a drink.
        Alternative: Eugene Damancev
        The big antisubmarine game in the North Atlantic! Type 26 "GCS" is preparing to meet with "Ash" and "Pike"

        https://topwar.ru/125500-bolshaya-protivolodochna
        ya-igra-v-severnoy-atlantike-type-26-gcs-gotovyat
        -k-vstreche-s-yasenyami-i-schukami.html
        that over NI you laugh to hiccups (this is Purgen), and if you need a fastener, then to Eugen Damantsev.
        The result is one: erotic fantasies (both there and there)
        Quote: stas
        Our unsinkable aircraft carrier "Crimea" is better and well protected.

        It’s a pity that he can’t get Amerimka to the shores, and yes, yes: unsinkable, by the forces of the Black Sea navy
        1. 0
          2 October 2017 23: 00
          Yes, opus agrees, Iugen Damantsev and Mudiljamar Heck are still those experts, they have a bomb door that opens easily at hypersonic speed.
    2. +13
      22 September 2017 15: 08
      Our unsinkable aircraft carrier "Crimea" is better and well protected.
      1. +13
        22 September 2017 15: 18
        Let’s already, send him to Syria, otherwise the old Kuzyu was tortured
        1. +3
          22 September 2017 15: 35
          It already has its own. On it and with the “Kuzi” lodged at the same time.
          And the group from the aircraft-carrying cruiser trite trained and tested their work in combat conditions. As we understood, there are nuances and it is planned to eliminate them in the near future by the next approach to the slipway.
          1. mvg
            +1
            22 September 2017 18: 36
            practiced corny and tested her work in combat conditions

            Did you exercise? wassat and the fact that MiG’s drowned is also a component of training? How is it possible and cheaper to train or something ..
        2. +2
          22 September 2017 16: 30
          Quote: Deck
          Let’s already, send him to Syria, otherwise the old Kuzyu was tortured

          In Syria, our aviation is doing pretty well even without aircraft carriers.
      2. +16
        22 September 2017 15: 20
        It is necessary to develop options for the Cuban Aircraft Carrier. soldier
        1. +7
          22 September 2017 16: 11
          It is necessary to develop options for the Cuban Aircraft Carrier.

          Not new, but very effective ... Even if you make of it not an Aircraft Carrier, but a REB Carrier!) soldier soldier
        2. +3
          22 September 2017 16: 36
          Quote: Chelentanich
          It is necessary to develop options for the Cuban Aircraft Carrier.

          They will answer with the Ukraine carrier, and this is problematic for many reasons, because if there was an opportunity, there would certainly be movement in this direction, but on the contrary, the latter was turned there. Again, this requires a strong fleet for transatlantic support, and it is not even framed in ideas.
          1. +1
            22 September 2017 16: 52
            because if there was an opportunity, then there would certainly be a movement in this direction,

            This is alarming .... how much is flying time? wink
            1. +4
              22 September 2017 17: 15
              Quote: Kerensky
              This is alarming .... how much is flying time?

              The distance between Havana and Washington is 1824 kilometers, and from Kharkov or Tallinn it is 600-800 km to Moscow, so this "exchange" is not profitable for us.
              And to the Cubans, what is the benefit of exposing their island to a possible blow? Previously, there were good gifts for the cause of the world revolution, but now there are no revolutions, no gifts. It’s not planned to intrude upon them, so what is the use of substituting them for what?
          2. 0
            22 September 2017 18: 59
            They will choke on Ukraine!
      3. +2
        22 September 2017 15: 47
        Yes, Crimea is the best aircraft carrier in the world! tongue good
      4. +2
        22 September 2017 16: 27
        But the aircraft carriers Kaliningrad and Transnistria are in a much worse situation.
      5. +1
        23 September 2017 18: 30
        Quote: stas
        Our unsinkable aircraft carrier "Crimea"
        And I also know unsinkable aircraft carriers - Cuba, the Philippines, the Kuril Islands laughing And mattress AUGs are dangerous only for countries that do not have the means to destroy them. For their intimidation and created. If they are sent to enslave China or Russia, then Pearl Harbor will no longer be considered the largest naval disaster for the United States. hi
    3. +3
      22 September 2017 15: 08
      AUG USA has long since gone to a safe distance where Russia and China (now North Korea))) hehe heh .. Their robbery time has ended! These troughs, we will soon sink (not we, of course) ...
      1. +10
        22 September 2017 15: 46
        Quote: DEPARTMENT
        These troughs, we will soon sink

        wow .... Vitalka ... well, Rimbaud)) .... you already fought in the trenches in the Donbass ... bombed in Syria ... now you will sink aircraft carriers .... when will it rest ??. .n’t you tired?
        1. +13
          22 September 2017 16: 22
          .to rest when ?? .. not tired? You do not anger Mikhan. He has a “Commander-in-Chief” to destroy everyone from the sofa on the site! (It does not matter where the sofa is in the submarine, plane or surface ships.) bully
    4. +9
      22 September 2017 15: 09
      Let Konashenkov first get to him through the horde of retinue, and then say, a convenient target, uncomfortable ...
      1. +11
        22 September 2017 15: 18
        In the summer, there was information, Iranian drones flew near Amerian aircraft carriers, one flew at a distance of 70 meters ... Americans, as always, started talking about unprofessionalism ... That's the whole "retinue"!
      2. +1
        22 September 2017 15: 24
        So Konashenkov doesn’t personally go with the charge on his back to destroy him laughing For suites, their own hotels are available.
      3. +4
        22 September 2017 16: 38
        Quote: By itself
        Let Konashenkov first get to him through the horde of retinue, and then say, a convenient target, uncomfortable ...

        Well, for our submariners this is not a problem, they wandered between retinues at home, and more than once.
        1. +3
          22 September 2017 17: 23
          Well, for our submariners this is not a problem, they wandered between retinues at home, and more than once.


          To do this, the AUG must stand still for a week, fish and wait for the submarine. laughing Or do you have boats that are not noisy even at least at 20 knots?
          There is another way - to fill the oceans with boats, and let them wait. lol
      4. +3
        22 September 2017 16: 55
        "Tolstoy" in his wake! Miles for 50 .....
      5. +6
        22 September 2017 21: 22
        Quote: By itself
        Let Konashenkov first get to him through the horde of retinue, and then say, a convenient target, uncomfortable ...

        A submarine drone equipped with a nuclear charge at a depth of 500-1000 meters is unlikely anyone will be able to intercept. It remains to calculate the power of the charge, under the explosion of which the aircraft carrier is guaranteed to fall under water. Sailors, what ideas will be on approach to the goal from the depths?
        1. +5
          22 September 2017 22: 17
          Any ship should be based somewhere .. pass straits ... On our ball there are only a few points where the ship will definitely be ... When? It doesn’t matter, but it will ...
          Am I clearly hinting? feel
          1. +2
            22 September 2017 22: 54
            Quote: Kerensky
            Am I clearly hinting?

            I console myself with the hope that this option is being considered by those who are supposed to, but are not voiced for obvious reasons. Once in my childhood I read stories when, when methane exited from the bottom of the sea, a ship was broken in half by a gas bubble. This was explained by the fact that part of the hull of the ship fell into the environment with a much lower density and part of the ship turned out to be suspended. And the hull could not withstand such a non-specific load.
            1. +2
              22 September 2017 23: 59
              True thought think comrade! I will add that each side has its own individual noise, which is recorded by cunning devices in a special base upon the appearance of this side on the open sea.
              And also the ship has a wake stream (and this is far from the foam behind the stern, everything is more complicated there).
              Something I lost my mind today! feel
    5. +4
      22 September 2017 15: 22
      Quote: bagr69
      Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, Igor Konashenkov: "Aircraft carrier is a convenient naval target."
      Yes
      Damn it is, I already wrote that these are just jobs for US citizens! With such modern means of delivery, he is just a shed in the field ... laughing
      1. +1
        22 September 2017 16: 29
        Watching against whom.
      2. +1
        22 September 2017 17: 09
        They want to build the same barn here) that Kuzyu for scrap? Yes, and B2 was a coffin, only the pack is so very similar to it)
    6. +6
      22 September 2017 15: 27
      It is necessary to get close to the aircraft carrier from the beginning, in combat conditions it will be practically unrealistic, escort ships and carrier-based aircraft will carry everything that swims up or flies up at a distance of 400 to 1000 kilometers.
      1. +9
        22 September 2017 15: 31
        escort ships and carrier-based aircraft will carry everything that swims up or flies up at a distance of 400 to 1000 kilometers.

        Only that time, the rest will have to take on board! Yes
        1. +5
          22 September 2017 16: 10
          That's just to carry out such a massive missile attack will have to put together almost the entire fleet of Russia, capable of carrying long-range anti-ship missiles, plus coordinated aviation actions. It is possible, but it will not be a walk.
          1. +5
            22 September 2017 16: 31
            So, after all, not Russia in the ocean will hunt for American AUGs, but they themselves will approach a distance of less than 1000 kilometers to the shores of Russia. This simplifies the task in a non-nuclear conflict.
      2. +6
        22 September 2017 15: 33
        Well, in the case of an aircraft carrier group, it’s not from RPGs that they will be attacked if something happens and they will not attack the An-2, Russia has its own arsenal to combat the “carrier democracy” troughs.
      3. +7
        22 September 2017 15: 49
        Quote: Vadim237
        escort ships and carrier-based aircraft will carry everything that swims up or flies up at a distance of 400 to 1000 kilometers.

        What are you? belay really ?? feel and how ours floated in the middle of the warrant ?? ..... and how ours flew over the decks .... and when they went under the warrant in Middle-earth, the president of the United States was on board, do not believe the propaganda .... not theirs and not our .... you need to live with your mind Yes
        1. +11
          22 September 2017 15: 59
          Yes, a long time ago I watched a film about the death of the Kursk nuclear submarine and about the crew. The commander (I do not remember the name, Eternal Memory of the Hero!) Received the title of Hero of Russia for the fact that in 1999 he surfaced in the middle of the USG in the Mediterranean Sea when they “ironed” the former Yugoslavia. Politically, Russia was not so strong then, and the Americans were in shock, several salvos of torpedoes-- and there is no AUG. I don’t know if the commander himself made a decision or requested Moscow, but the information ran into memory!
        2. +1
          22 September 2017 17: 03
          In combat conditions and in full combat readiness - no one will swim.
      4. +1
        22 September 2017 16: 57
        Ek dismantled you! Yes, the American just now closets fucked up, what did they do?
    7. 0
      22 September 2017 15: 51
      Moreover, these countries have created a whole range of weapons, as aircraft carriers have something to answer them.


      Everything has long been calculated how many anti-ship missiles are needed to guarantee the destruction of enemy AUGs and AUGs are always losing.
      1. 0
        22 September 2017 17: 16
        This is a long time ago - it has already passed, new missiles, radars and guidance systems - it is time to increase the number of anti-ship missiles - only due to which there are no new ships in the right quantities.
    8. +3
      22 September 2017 16: 16
      Once again, dear, I recommend listening and reading not only Igor Konashenkov (in essence a good, probably a person), but also professionals ... Here in this https://vz.ru/politics/2017/6/29/876660 .html article is very short, but lucidly painted about the "convenient target" ...
      1. +3
        22 September 2017 16: 31
        Quote: P0LYM
        Here in this https://vz.ru/politics/2017/6/29/876660.html article is very short, but intelligibly written about the "convenient target" ...

        you still give the Washington post link .... look .... e-mine .... kapets what source (professional)
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          1. 0
            23 September 2017 05: 58
            For those who, damn it, in the tank, I’ll pay attention to the words of the commander of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Navy, Admiral Vladimir Komoyedov .... or not authority?


            Well, I don’t believe that this is an “expert” article, according to Vladimir Komoyedov, I would say that it’s too superficial, it’s yellowness, or politically ordered because it is a member of the Communist Party.
    9. Maz
      0
      22 September 2017 16: 57
      Maybe a cross. We’ll make a stop, and we’ll make needles from aircraft carriers.
    10. 0
      23 September 2017 11: 47
      : "Aircraft carrier - a convenient naval target" ////

      He has a lot of such mistakes. When he does not know what to say in essence, he makes a meaningless catchy slogan that has nothing underneath.
  2. +5
    22 September 2017 15: 01
    And yet, aircraft carriers are in real danger from advanced military technology. The main threat comes more from a lack of material and technical equipment, and “if the US cannot stop the rising cost of aircraft carriers and aircraft on board, then it will not be easy for these ships to maintain their place in the current architecture of the US defense policy,” he concludes.
    and then what will the admirals saw? they immediately become impoverished? recourse
    1. 0
      22 September 2017 15: 04
      It's not a problem. In the independent have already found what to cut. wink
      Everything is in order with the admirals and their well-being, despite the absence of aircraft carriers.
      1. +4
        22 September 2017 15: 05
        go down to scrap? how low lol
    2. +1
      22 September 2017 15: 13
      its place in the current architecture of the US defense policy

      Poor, peace-loving Americans, everyone wants to sink their aircraft carriers. sad
      1. 0
        22 September 2017 15: 28
        But they can sink anyone on the seas and oceans.
        1. +3
          22 September 2017 15: 46
          Undoubtedly laughing and, most importantly, they prove it in a war with countries that do not have modern anti-ship means and a modern fleet. Here democracy is heard only by the weak on this earth ...
          1. +1
            22 September 2017 17: 05
            So, Russia does not have the same modern fleet and is not expected in the next 15 years - since financing was cut off until 2025.
            1. 0
              22 September 2017 17: 58
              Quote: Vadim237
              So, Russia does not have the same modern fleet and is not expected in the next 15 years - since financing was cut off until 2025.

              Actually, it’s time to build spaceships. and we all sail in the seas.
              1. 0
                22 September 2017 19: 26
                And wake up to the end of planet Earth.
                1. 0
                  23 September 2017 13: 25
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  And wake up to the end of planet Earth.

                  But not in battle formations
                  1. 0
                    23 September 2017 22: 02
                    Future will tell.
  3. +2
    22 September 2017 15: 08
    In response, the US will lower / lower the dollar as they like. And the next global economic crisis will come. Remember 2008, it all happened because of the mortgage lending market. Echoes are still heard all over the planet. Imagine the consequences of a centralized “economic offensive” by US authorities. China and the Russian Federation can win, but, in general, it will be a Pyrrhic victory.
    1. 0
      22 September 2017 15: 45
      But is it worth the Americans to lower the dollar? All over the world they will see that the dollar is unstable and everyone will dump dollars and buy a more stable currency, for example, Chinese. Imagine that all over the world they will start dumping dollars, how much extra green will rush into the states, minds cannot be comprehended. recourse request
      1. +1
        22 September 2017 16: 25
        The trick is that this will be a centralized operation. And not from, say, China, but from the issuer and the regulator. So they will be able to foresee many problems in advance and, therefore, find ways to solve them.
      2. +1
        22 September 2017 19: 49
        Quote: Simon
        But is it worth the Americans to lower the dollar?

        Their products are becoming MORE profitable for purchases than other countries ....
  4. +5
    22 September 2017 15: 09
    The enormous value of these ships will be their main weakness, which will lead them to remain on the outskirts of intense conflict, he believes. This, in turn, will lead to the obsolescence of ships.
    ------------------------------------
    Familiar to the pain. German battleship Tirpitz during the Second World War? No?
    1. +4
      22 September 2017 16: 42
      And indeed the battleships of the "dreadnought" type, the First World War. They were built specifically for the war, and as the war began, they stayed in the bases for two years because of the mutual fear of the accidental loss of such expensive ships. Then we met head-on-head in battle once (Jutland), left us in suitcases for half an hour and parted, so that we would never meet again. For expensive. As a result, the First World War became a vulgar war of cheap submarines and the same tin destroyers. And after 20 years, aircraft carriers were added to this company, which were best drowned by other aircraft carriers. But the battleships were, by and large, expensive toys.
  5. +9
    22 September 2017 15: 10
    I remember at headquarters exercises in Britain that they immediately admitted that the aircraft carrier and cover ships were destroyed at the same time ... I can assume that they do not think that aircraft carriers make sense in a full-scale war. They know that an aircraft carrier must be used as a deterrent or support base for attacking scattered or underdeveloped states and territories ...
  6. +5
    22 September 2017 15: 14
    "in the event that the United States can not stop the growth in the cost of aircraft carriers and aircraft on board, then these ships will not be easy to maintain their place in the current architecture defense US policy ""...

    Um ... Does the US have a defense policy? Carriers have always been a testament and confirmation of an aggressive, offensive policy ...
    And as for the place in the current architecture of ANY fleet .... It was correctly said: a huge pelvis is a huge goal ... no matter how you protect it ...
    Let the US build them bigger and more expensive ... Enough to scare the banana republics, but enough for a serious opponent with a serious adversary ???
    China, although it is developing its carrier fleet, is not exactly against the United States ... Does it have anyone to scare in the area ....
  7. +1
    22 September 2017 15: 15
    As I understand it, the author is immediately paid three countries whose interests he defends in his articles? lol So far, the Yankees and Chinese are paying more than us lol ...
  8. +1
    22 September 2017 15: 21
    aircraft carriers are a weapon for intimidating the weak, and if it comes to "serious showdowns", then the entire "power" of these aircraft carriers will instantly multiply by zero the nuclear missile potential of those who have it, but they still play an important role in local conflicts
    1. +3
      22 September 2017 15: 37
      "And if it comes to" serious showdowns "There are B63 atomic bombs on board aircraft carriers - for serious showdowns, in which case, no country in the world has, and even in the long term, doesn’t have effective weapons against carrier strike groups. Fight with the fleet The United States in the open ocean is a disastrous business - for both the Chinese navy and Russia.
      1. 0
        22 September 2017 15: 49
        why bomb aircraft carriers? it is enough to cause unacceptable damage to the owner of these aircraft carriers, and the issue itself is resolved. I repeat, aircraft carriers, these are weapons against the weak
      2. +2
        22 September 2017 15: 51
        Quote: Vadim237
        Fighting with the US fleet in the open ocean is a disastrous business - for both the Chinese fleet and Russia.

        feel really chtol? .... but what about Lyachin (the kingdom of heaven to him)? ... and then the president of the United States was on board? ... what do you say?
      3. +2
        22 September 2017 15: 56
        "Fighting with the US Navy in the open ocean is a disastrous thing." The same thing was once said about the fleets of Sweden and Turkey ...
      4. +2
        22 September 2017 16: 55
        The article about this is written. That no one will arrange a second Midway, but layered missile defense / air defense, hypersonic land, air and sea-based anti-ship missiles and new generation submarines will make the fulfillment of combat missions practically impossible.
        1. 0
          22 September 2017 17: 08
          In addition to hypersonic anti-ship missile, the United States has all of the above.
          1. +1
            22 September 2017 17: 50
            It is necessary that it is not just there, but that the enemy fleet comes as close to your shores as possible. Then, relying on the basic reconnaissance, fighter and missile-carrying aviation developed by air defense / missile defense, it is possible to create local tactical superiority in both defense means and attacks over very limited ammunition forces and means in conditions of intense combat operations. And do not go into the open ocean with two and a half destroyers without air cover.
            1. 0
              22 September 2017 19: 29
              Before approaching the enemy’s shores, it’s necessary to destroy the entire fleet, as well as the entire coastal infrastructure, and then it will be simpler — constant air raids and cruise missiles.
          2. 0
            22 September 2017 19: 43
            praised on youtube hohloukry ... abrams .... s letaki ... and the fleet ... a large unsinkable floats supposedly everywhere ... and in general you are not a sailor by chance ????!
            1. +1
              22 September 2017 23: 05
              The enemy should not be underestimated, but overestimated. Article biased nonsense.
      5. +2
        22 September 2017 20: 32
        Quote: Vadim237
        no country in the world has, and even in the long term, effective weapons will not appear against aircraft carrier strike groups.
        Vadim, you're wrong. GZPKR type "Zircon" is already being tested. The hongfuz DF-21D adopted. In the USSR, anti-aircraft submarine divisions, the basis of which were 949A ... MRAs with the SU-22M3 missile carriers-- all this worked normally when the fleet was used to destroy the AMG Yankees in an integrated manner.
        Quote: Vadim237
        Fighting with the US fleet in the open ocean is a disastrous business - for both the Chinese fleet and Russia.
        I agree, it’s difficult, but it’s possible ... I’m sure that the Strategic Missile Forces in this difficult matter will not stand aside.
        1. 0
          22 September 2017 23: 22
          Alas, we still have units in service with the 949ok, the Granit missile system is outdated, and the enemy’s air defense systems have intensified both in equipment and in Zircon missiles, and it is not known when it will be adopted. DF 21D - there are big doubts about the kinetic defeat of an aircraft carrier, since there is no satellite system for target designation, tracking, selection of ships throughout the oceans, as well as the ability to create a warhead with self-maneuvering - technically a daunting task and it’s just beyond China's strength. In the USSR, they tried to make such warheads, but they worked only on stationary objects.
      6. +1
        23 September 2017 00: 14
        To compete with the US Navy in the open ocean is a disastrous business

        I don’t agree! We were taught a little how to find a local store on the carrier of adversaries (there are two of them). feel
        I actually what? Remove the fuse of desalination plants and what ?! Pokapat at the base, how dear! The ship’s salvation is in the ocean, but it must return to base.
  9. 0
    22 September 2017 15: 22
    Well, let the Americans now put their aircraft carriers in ports for fun or turn them in for scrap. laughing The end has come to the American sea mafia! tongue
  10. 0
    22 September 2017 15: 27
    And the fact that the Chinese are going to do bundles of aircraft carriers?
    1. +2
      22 September 2017 19: 47
      Quote: Mimoprohodil
      And the fact that the Chinese are going to do bundles of aircraft carriers?

      So they don’t know how otherwise ... or a series of 20 buildings or not to start at all ...
  11. +3
    22 September 2017 15: 52
    Why from one extreme to another. Yes, the goal is large, noticeable. But the aircraft carrier does not hang out anywhere alone. There is always a fairly serious ship group providing its protection. A gemmoroya aircraft carrier group can bring solidly .... No, of course, one special warhead can quickly fix the problem. But if it is not a nuclear conflict? In general, do not underestimate this type of ship. And the main thing of his means of defeat is aviation.
  12. +3
    22 September 2017 15: 54
    Quote: Vadim237
    It is necessary to get close to the aircraft carrier from the beginning, in combat conditions it will be practically unrealistic, escort ships and carrier-based aircraft will carry everything that swims up or flies up at a distance of 400 to 1000 kilometers.

    However, in November 2000, there was still a meeting of American carrier-based aircraft with fighters of the Russian Air Force, which was "as close as possible" to combat.
    According to the Commander-in-Chief, the intelligence results "were impressive." Su-24MP performed several calls to the aircraft carrier, photographing everything that happens on the flight deck. The panic on board the ship was recorded in the pictures: the sailors urgently cut hoses connecting the aircraft carrier to the tanker, which was transferring fuel to the Kitty Hawk at that time.

    F / A-18 fighters managed to be lifted into the air only after the second call of Russian scouts, but the Su-27s were immediately taken away from the ship by a distracting maneuver, which allowed reconnaissance aircraft to perform several more flights over the aircraft carrier completely defenseless from the air. According to the press, the Russian round-trip of Kitty Hawk aircraft was repeated on November 9 and was also successful.

    Not so long ago wink
    1. +3
      22 September 2017 15: 59
      This is from what Murzilka’s number? ...
      1. +1
        22 September 2017 16: 54
        http://svpressa.ru/society/article/6117/
      2. +1
        22 September 2017 16: 57
        https://www.yaplakal.com/forum2/topic233924.html
        1. +1
          22 September 2017 17: 32
          These tales are Murzilka
          1. +1
            22 September 2017 17: 45
            Yes Yes. Where to us. This is only you Information ....
            1. +1
              22 September 2017 18: 38
              Yeah, the link to yaplakal with a Photoshop article is a worthy proof.
    2. 0
      22 September 2017 17: 10
      More like a fairy tale - in the photographs panic captured well, well.
    3. 0
      22 September 2017 17: 20
      And hoses than chopped - maybe with axes.
  13. +1
    22 September 2017 15: 57
    Quote: Altona
    The enormous value of these ships will be their main weakness, which will lead them to remain on the outskirts of intense conflict, he believes. This, in turn, will lead to the obsolescence of ships.
    ------------------------------------
    Familiar to the pain. German battleship Tirpitz during the Second World War? No?

    Yes, and the same US battleships, such as Missouri Yes They were cherished so that they almost did not participate in the war and were decommissioned Yes
  14. 0
    22 September 2017 16: 04
    For the most part, reasoning is meaningless. And the maintenance of an airfield with a hundred airplanes is really cheap. And the construction of another and another with infrastructure in another place. As for the cheapness. Americans have experience building escort from any city ...
    1. +1
      22 September 2017 17: 01
      The airfield will not drown. And to restore the airfield after carpet bombing is easier than building a new aircraft carrier. And it’s easier to protect the airdrome by creating around it air defense rings. And escort aircraft carriers of WWII times are no longer suitable for modern realities.
      1. +1
        22 September 2017 18: 34
        First, not an airfield, but airfields. And a lot. After all, an aircraft carrier can move with all the infrastructure. And by the way, leave the strike area until the missiles reach. And for the escort, the f35 with vertical take-off will do well
        1. +1
          22 September 2017 19: 17
          Not so simple, from a technical point of view. Although the British used civilian ships to base the Harriers in 1982. But this is with the absolute helplessness of Argentina at sea.
  15. 0
    22 September 2017 16: 05
    Quote: WarNoob
    In response, the US will lower / lower the dollar as they like. And the next global economic crisis will come. Remember 2008, it all happened because of the mortgage lending market. Echoes are still heard all over the planet. Imagine the consequences of a centralized “economic offensive” by US authorities. China and the Russian Federation can win, but, in general, it will be a Pyrrhic victory.

    The dollar is just a piece of paper. It holds only due to the fact that it measures the cost of oil, that is, energy stop If they start to do something abruptly with him, it could push the states to switch from the dollar to settlements in the national currency or the same gold standard and the whole Bretton Woods system will collapse No. They won’t take such a risk request
  16. +3
    22 September 2017 16: 12
    Last, yesterday, a movie about the actions of Amer. deck aviation. From 13 minutes on meetings in the air with "partners" from the videoconferencing.
    1. +3
      22 September 2017 16: 50
      "partners" from the Navy
      1. 0
        22 September 2017 17: 24
        Missiles will not be enough, as well as their carriers.
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  17. +1
    22 September 2017 16: 26
    The American marine mobile incubator is not only a big target for missiles, but also a very attractive target for real birds .. How many mattress ships I have not seen, everything is completely dirty with seagulls ..
    1. +1
      22 September 2017 16: 43
      How many mattress ships I haven’t seen, everything is completely dirty with seagulls ..

      Seagull air forces, however allies too! wassat
  18. +3
    22 September 2017 16: 32
    I don’t know how with the cross, but we’ll drive the aspen stake!
  19. +2
    22 September 2017 17: 36
    Until Iran and North Korea win, aircraft carriers will be needed ... bully
  20. 0
    22 September 2017 19: 27
    Quote: Gransasso
    This is from what Murzilka’s number? ...

    If you consider that in two months the US Navy rammed two container ships I personally would not be surprised recourse request
    It would seem nonsense, but it was the same, two modern destroyers did not see the huge civilian vessels wink
    1. 0
      23 September 2017 04: 14
      a ram by a cattle truck of a reconnaissance ship of the Russian Navy is still out of the competition laughing
  21. 0
    22 September 2017 19: 33
    Purely Friday. Well, purely, in the style that the stool is very very encrypted. Stirlitz ... Rusnan
    the ryzhik will officially announce the presentation in Skolkovo of an aeronautical carrier the size of (say) a cow cake, which is / say / called the "Paseka-M project", and by means of 100 nanowires it can soon eat any missouri / or whatever they have right there. Let the Messenger of Mordovia write . Here I am, ofigue. Friday. I apologize.
  22. 0
    22 September 2017 21: 05
    Duc aircraft carriers like should not go unaccompanied. Escort cruisers may well protect the aircraft carrier. Incomprehensible article. Explain the teapot.
  23. 0
    22 September 2017 22: 22
    a nuclear train is a weapon, and an iron snag the size of a microdistrict in the sea is not a threat in the 21st century
  24. 0
    22 September 2017 22: 25
    Quote: Vadim237
    Missiles will not be enough, as well as their carriers.


    God forbid this happens, but in war conditions when transferring everything to military rails, how much we need to stamp)
    1. 0
      22 September 2017 23: 24
      We have been building ships from five years in peacetime, and you say to build quickly - this is not a T 34 tank to do.
  25. +1
    22 September 2017 22: 36
    Quote: Oleg7700
    Last, yesterday, a movie about the actions of Amer. deck aviation. From 13 minutes on meetings in the air with "partners" from the videoconferencing.

    And what, you want to say they keep us on the fly? So there is nothing surprising - the parties are on the verge of conflict, the war is on, we also keep all their sorties on the fly - the usual work of the military!
    1. 0
      23 September 2017 14: 16
      For the movie plus. Thank. hi Films of the sworn enemy are very useful to watch.
  26. 0
    23 September 2017 14: 14
    Well, damn it, Americans made the discovery of the century!
    It was as if no one had ever seen a Tu-22M3 regiment operating with X-22 missiles on board that swarm at supersonic reach aircraft carriers, and AUG radars hit with X-28 missiles.
    Again, there are all kinds of Onyxes in the assortment, well, there are P-700 / P-1000 sea and land based. These in the amount of three pieces issued by the aircraft carrier, it is guaranteed to be eliminated as a combat unit, even if the aircraft carrier stays afloat.
    Aircraft carriers against the USSR and Russia have been useless for thirty years, and only now they have started talking about it.
    https://topwar.ru/71926-tu-22m3-groza-avianoscev.
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    1. 0
      23 September 2017 22: 06
      All this will not reach the aircraft carrier with a 80% probability, since it will be destroyed on approach by carrier-based aircraft and air defense missiles of escort ships.
  27. 0
    23 September 2017 15: 04
    Quote: Vadim237
    But they can sink anyone on the seas and oceans.

    Tell this to those two container ships that nearly drowned the pride of the "unsinkable" US fleet - two destroyers ("John McCain and Fitzgerald") lol
    1. +1
      23 September 2017 22: 09
      With our communications ship, the same nonsense happened on the Black Sea - the cattle depot tried, ours drowned.
  28. +1
    23 September 2017 19: 15
    Like it or not, an aircraft carrier is indispensable for seeing a war.
  29. 0
    24 September 2017 16: 10
    Quote: Vadim237
    With our communications ship, the same nonsense happened on the Black Sea - the cattle depot tried, ours drowned.

    Yes, there was a case - an unfortunate incident.
    What about the super-duper Zumvolta ?! Nobody came across him - he just broke down by himself: from getting sea water into the sea, and twice for one reason, and this is a “miracle trough”, which cost almost 5 billion green pieces of paper! good
    1. 0
      24 September 2017 17: 53
      We would have such "troughs" - and all his diseases are childish and easily eliminated.
  30. 0
    24 September 2017 16: 24
    Quote: kotuk_ha_oxote
    Yeah, the link to yaplakal with a Photoshop article is a worthy proof.

    Will the link to bourgeois resources suit you?
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2000/dec/7/20
    001207-013430-1199r /
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1374315
    /Russian-planes-buzzed-US-carrier-three-times.htm
    l
    1. +2
      24 September 2017 16: 41
      http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2000/dec/7/20
      001207-013430-1199r /



      And you read the original of this article? ..... tell me briefly what is written there ......
  31. 0
    24 September 2017 19: 16
    Quote: Gransasso
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2000/dec/7/20
    001207-013430-1199r /

    That the Americans were screwed up and in a combat situation they would not have done much good, from the word at all ...
    "But two Navy sources say that in the first incident, the Russian planes, an Su-27 Flanker and Su-24 Fencer, flew directly over the Kitty Hawk's tower. One source said they swooped to 200 feet; another Navy official said" several hundred feet. "
    From the moment the commander ordered planes launched, it took 40 minutes to scramble aircraft. "
    [B] [/ b]
    1. +1
      24 September 2017 19: 27
      Yeah .... unnamed anonymous sources ..... and official sources in the same article that they say?
  32. 0
    24 September 2017 19: 22
    Quote: Vadim237
    We would have such "troughs" - and all his diseases are childhood and easily eliminated.

    Well, who would doubt it - however, an expensive project: 5 billionth (!!!) marine iron lol
    To eliminate the distressing sores, they will write off another billion or two from the military budget, and do not care that the country's national debt has exceeded 20 trillion!

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