Croatia offers its experience in resolving the situation in the Donbass

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Croatia has practical experience of armed conflict on its territory in the 90-s, which can be used to resolve the situation in Ukraine, said Prime Minister Andrei Plenkovic, speaking on Thursday at the UN General Assembly.

We have unique practical knowledge and expertise. This is an important addition to the efforts of the international community in similar situations, such as the implementation of the Minsk agreements in Ukraine. We can draw numerous parallels.
- Plenkovich said.

Croatia offers its experience in resolving the situation in the Donbass


We remind you that the Croatian army and police carried out 4-7 of August 1995 of the year operation "Storm" (Oluja) with the aim of destroying the self-proclaimed Republic of Serbian Krajina (RSK) - the Serbian territorial entity, which was created in Croatia in 1991, with the support of Belgrade.

The operation, during which more than 200 thousands were expelled and more than two thousand Serbs killed, ended with the victory of the Croatian forces, who established control over the fifth part of the country's territory that was lost at the beginning of 1990-s.

At the end of August in Kiev, a meeting was held between representatives of Ukraine and Croatia on the experience of “returning uncontrolled territories”, which Zagreb applied during the war in 1990. A working group on cooperation between Croatia and Ukraine was even set up to transfer “experience” The Russian Foreign Ministry called this experience unsuccessful.
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  1. +24
    22 September 2017 07: 49
    Croatia has practical experience of armed conflict on its territory in the 90-s, which can be used to resolve the situation in Ukraine, said Prime Minister Andrei Plenkovic, speaking on Thursday at the UN General Assembly.
    Why didn't you remember THAT EXPERIENCE about the 40s? There, the Croats received "rich experience" ...
    1. +7
      22 September 2017 08: 04
      Quote: svp67
      Why didn't you remember THAT EXPERIENCE about the 40s? There, the Croats received "rich experience" ...


      Unfortunately, the authorities of the Serbian Krajina also have nowhere to go further. According to the 1991 census, 35 percent of Croats lived there, and by 1992 only 7 percent remained. In total, almost 170 people of Croatian nationality were expelled. Therefore, there are no rights there. Both sides are to blame for ethnic conflicts. You can't shield someone alone, there are no white and fluffy ones. Everyone suffers and everyone commits terrible crimes.
      1. +21
        22 September 2017 08: 08
        Quote: Orel
        Unfortunately, the authorities of the Serbian Krajina also have nowhere to go further.

        Listen there now the perpetrators - those who LOST, and these are the overwhelming majority of Serbs. Although the winners of "fluff on the snout" may have more
        Quote: Orel
        You can't shield someone alone, there are no white and fluffy ones. Everyone suffers and everyone commits terrible crimes.

        And no one is arguing. But the leadership, that Krajina, that Serbia at that time was being judged by an international court and imprisoned for real terms, but somehow their opponents are forgiven.
        1. +4
          22 September 2017 08: 27
          Quote: svp67
          Listen there now the perpetrators - those who LOST, and these are the overwhelming majority of Serbs. Although the winners of "fluff on the snout" may have more


          These are meaningless calculations, more or less. There were criminals on both sides. Therefore, I prefer not to shield anyone. For me, anyone who participated in such purges is a fascist and scum. And I don't care if it's a Serb or a Croat. To whitewash some in opposition to others means to become their accomplice. We are used to pitying the Serbs always, but in the West we are used to pitying everyone else who suffered from the Serbs. As a result, there are no rightists. They are all guilty of crimes. Both those and others were killed, both were purged, concentration camps were created by both. Therefore, I do not want to take sides. There is simply no right side.
          1. +6
            22 September 2017 08: 30
            Quote: Orel
            To whitewash some in opposition to others is to become their accomplice yourself.

            Which, alas, is happening there now. And it must be understood that having worked this technology THERE, it is now being used against the DPRK, Iran, China and Russia.
          2. +7
            22 September 2017 08: 42
            In war, people for the most part lose their human face, degrade to the level of animals, because they want to live and are ready to kill others for their survival. Therefore, once-good neighbors come to kill each other, kill children, women, old people. The West professionally played on the disagreements in Yugoslav society, this was the beginning of working out the technology of destroying states, if it worked in an educated European country, then greedy Arabs are even easier to quarrel with each other.
          3. +8
            22 September 2017 09: 11
            Since there is no right side, then should the Serbs answer?
          4. 0
            22 September 2017 10: 54
            As a result, there are no rightists. They are all guilty of crimes.


            And now everyone should repent and sprinkle ashes on their heads. It's like in a well-known little book, so that everyone would understand the depth of the fall and take all the sins upon themselves. Well, how could it be otherwise, because the world community thinks so. only who was behind it modestly keeps silent.
        2. 0
          22 September 2017 08: 34
          Quote: svp67
          And no one is arguing. But the leadership, that Krajina, that Serbia at that time was being judged by an international court and imprisoned for real terms, but somehow their opponents are forgiven.


          If this is so, then this is unfair, but because of this I cannot change my position, the fact that some are not judged and others are punished does not relieve anyone of responsibility. Therefore, I cannot absolve the Serbs from responsibility on the grounds that Croats are being punished less. Although they were also condemned, there were even some statistics. Maybe not everything is so one-sided here. It's just that the Serbs had more opportunities and a stronger army, they were the titular nation of Yugoslavia and the scale of their actions was simply greater, so there may be more convicts. We need to understand in more detail.

          The Hague Tribunal has indicted 38 Croats. Of these, 12 were acquitted. The rest were sentenced to different terms. Among the Serbs, there are more accused, but as I said, this is rather an effect of scale, there were more opportunities. However, there are many acquitted among the Serbs. Propaganda overshadows our eyes, maybe there was more or less objective work in the tribunal. Not everything looks one-sided, judging by the numbers.
          1. +3
            22 September 2017 09: 18
            Quote: Orel
            ... Although they were also condemned, there were even some statistics.

            Well let's see ...
            Serbs:
            - accused - 102 people, of the total number 60%
            - convicted - 70 people, 70% (41%), of which 15 people were released early, 21%
            - the case was dropped due to the death of the accused -16 people, 15%
            - 16 people are acquitted, 15%

            Montenegrins:
            - accused - 3 people, of the total number 2%
            - convicted - 3 people, 100%, of them released early - 2 people, 67%
            - the case was dismissed due to the death of the accused - NO
            - justified - NO

            Croats:
            - accused - 38 people, of the total number 22%
            - convicted - 24 people, 63%, of which 8 people were released early, 33%
            - the case was dropped due to the death of the accused -2 people, 5%
            - 12 people are acquitted, 32%

            Bosniaks:
            - accused - 17 people, of the total number 10%
            - convicted - 9 people, 53%, of whom were released early - NO
            - the case was dropped due to the death of the accused -1 people, 6%
            - acquitted - 3 people, 19%
            - case pending - 4 people, 24%

            Albanians:
            - accused - 9 people, of the total number 5%
            - convicted - 3 people, 33%, of which 1 people were released early, 33%
            - the case was dismissed due to the death of the accused - NO
            - acquitted - 6 people, 67%

            Macedonians:
            - accused - 2 people, of the total number 1%
            - convicted - 1 people, 50%, of whom were released early - NO
            - the case was dismissed due to the death of the accused - NO
            - acquitted - 1 people, 50%
        3. +2
          22 September 2017 09: 47
          Yes, those judges themselves would be imprisoned
      2. +3
        22 September 2017 09: 02
        But this WAS the territory of Serbia. What would you do if the guest you invited started claiming that these rooms are now his? Just because he lives there?
      3. +4
        22 September 2017 09: 31
        Quote: Orel
        Quote: svp67
        Why didn't you remember THAT EXPERIENCE about the 40s? There, the Croats received "rich experience" ...


        Unfortunately, but the authorities of the Serbian Krajina ...

        Why did you even begin to say that someone there also has a stigma in the gun? Not talking about that. In this case, your high objectivity is worthless. The point is that by condemning outright criminals on both sides, the very CRIMINAL experience of one of the parties, the solution to the problem is not only not condemned, but is also allowed to be implemented in another conflict.
      4. +6
        22 September 2017 09: 33
        both sides are to blame

        oh how !!!!! but only the Serbs were bombed ... cool ...
      5. +2
        22 September 2017 11: 09
        If you were destroyed, as the Croats did in the 40s in relation to the Serbs, what would you do? Would you wait - when will they come to you and stab you or take up arms? No need to lie and "cast a shadow over the fence"!
    2. +2
      22 September 2017 08: 21
      what to say Croatian g ... s, teach Ukrainian rubber bags how to get into plastic ...
    3. Maz
      +4
      22 September 2017 10: 23
      Have become impudent. This is not the nineties and Yeltsin is no more. And Primakov's spirit soars over Russia. After all, we can not only deploy civilian boards, as the primus did in its time. And remember the pinch. And Serbia with the collapse of Yugoslavia and NATO bombing. Look, guardians, how the tail will press. They don't want to stay in the backyard.
  2. +9
    22 September 2017 07: 50
    There is nothing new, except for the genocide of our own people, there is not enough intelligence to offer.
    1. +3
      22 September 2017 09: 46
      Quote: Yuri Nikolayevich
      There is nothing new, except for the genocide of our own people, there is not enough intelligence to offer.

      But there are not enough Croatian executioners in the Donbass. We would have sat quietly and not stink, otherwise they will ogrebut again as during the Second World War.
  3. +5
    22 September 2017 07: 50
    We compared the ass to the finger. Who was behind the RSK then and who is behind the LPNR now.
    1. +3
      22 September 2017 08: 17
      I agree. Only partially. Yes, we stand behind the LPNR. But our leadership is led by all kinds of "peaceful" initiatives, and it's good when there is someone with whom to conduct a dialogue. There are also sharper and scoundrels sitting opposite .. And we shake their hand.
      Quote: olhon
      We compared the ass to the finger. Who was behind the RSK then and who is behind the LPNR now.
  4. +4
    22 September 2017 07: 51
    And if you just take and bomb the Croats? Well, we wanted to, we can't help ourselves? By the way, there is an opinion that Trump tacitly gave the go-ahead to the Bender government to solve the problem according to the Croatian scenario.
    1. +1
      22 September 2017 08: 01
      Sorry. Whose opinion is this?
      Trump's own opinion?
      Or is this the opinion of people from his inner circle?
      Or is this the opinion of the leaders of Ukraine?
    2. +2
      22 September 2017 08: 10
      Quote: Herkulesich
      And if you just take and bomb the Croats?

      Why bomb when they are already suffering from Ukraine. Suffice it to recall the "suffering" of their Air Force.
  5. +11
    22 September 2017 07: 51
    Oooh, the classics went, the Ustashi, as usual, suggested genocide under the guise of a "unique" experience.
  6. +6
    22 September 2017 07: 51
    It remains only to call NATO, bomb and let the axes go!
  7. +6
    22 September 2017 07: 59
    And the United States has excellent experience in resolving the issue with the indigenous population of the country, the Indians. And why doesn't the middle United Nations judge them for genocide?
    1. +2
      22 September 2017 22: 33
      And who will condemn them? We only hope for God and his judgment, but we are tired of waiting for something. Or maybe hurricanes are just the beginning of Divine judgment?
  8. 0
    22 September 2017 08: 04
    There are a lot of options and experiments. The main thing which one will choose in Washington ...
    1. +2
      22 September 2017 09: 36
      It's difficult with Washington. When Mishako was introduced from Poland to dill, there was a symptomatic moment: this "Ukrainian" had a frontier chief with his subordinates and all honest people, and he got nothing for it. Moreover, he calmly moves around Ukraine, and is rude to the Supreme Commander-in-Chief! Rezun wrote a little book once, the Icebreaker was called. It's about something else, but Saakashvili cannot be called a consolidator ... I would, in Poroshenko's place, Misha arrange an accident with a magnificent funeral and accusations of opponents, followed by their imprisonment, liquidation, discrediting and exultation. So that in Washington only Petya is taken into account as the only figure worthy of attention, in the absence of others.
      And so, Croatian or some other scenario will not go further than conversations. Until it goes.
  9. +8
    22 September 2017 08: 05
    We don't need such "experience" ...
  10. +5
    22 September 2017 08: 13
    Do the Ustashs want to introduce their experience of using "Serborez" in the Donbass?
  11. +6
    22 September 2017 08: 30
    What is there to compare. Croats are the same Serbs, and the language is one - Serbo-Croatian, only they write in Latin. Weak preparation and motivation of the troops of the Serbian Krajina, which relaxed with the appearance of the "blue helmets" and led to disaster. The helmets simply "parted", and I had to fight seriously, but I didn't want to ...
    1. +3
      22 September 2017 10: 54
      Serbs are Orthodox. Croats are the vanguard of traitors and Catholic Janissaries. and our western, and primarily Middle Eastern partners, for 30 years have been intensively implanting an artificial peculiarity of the "Croatian" language. On the outskirts, the same strategy is not the first hundred years
  12. +7
    22 September 2017 08: 32
    We have our own unique experience of forcing American slaves to peace, it worked perfectly on the example of Georgia.
  13. +3
    22 September 2017 09: 10
    Here's a soft kick in the ass! laughing
    1. +2
      23 September 2017 04: 37
      This guy just doesn't know how to handle such ass! He's probably not traditional, poor thing!
      1. +1
        23 September 2017 09: 03
        He's probably not traditional, poor thing!
        Are you outraged by something? Or have you ever seen how a kick is weighed? In general, for a "kick" there is no difference whose ass it is and what it is !!! s laughing
  14. +1
    22 September 2017 09: 32
    Bragglers Croats, if Russia were not so weak, you would not have succeeded .. We will remember everything with the Serbs!
  15. +2
    22 September 2017 09: 32
    Both Bandera and Ustashi are two boots of a pair, both have experience of Nazism and genocide.
  16. +4
    22 September 2017 09: 38
    Quote: Pivot
    In war, people for the most part lose their human face, degrade to the level of animals, because they want to live and are ready to kill others for their survival. Therefore, once-good neighbors come to kill each other, kill children, women, old people. The West professionally played on the disagreements in Yugoslav society, this was the beginning of working out the technology of destroying states, if it worked in an educated European country, then greedy Arabs are even easier to quarrel with each other.

    You about the majority of animals degrading in the war with such confidence assert ...
    My ancestors did not degrade in any wars and remained people.
    The Soviet army took Berlin and began to restore it in terms of communications and provision of the population.
    The main thing is not to betray your Motherland and the memory of your ancestors and to honor traditions.
    And in Donbas, both the traditions and memory of ancestors are fundamentally different from the Nazi past of both the Krains and Croats.
  17. +1
    22 September 2017 09: 46
    Lord, why does he (Plenkovich's) have a frightened face ??? I suppose the owners organized the "stick"?
  18. 0
    22 September 2017 09: 53
    Croatia has practical experience of armed conflict on its territory in the 90s

    Russia has fresh experience - 2008
  19. +1
    22 September 2017 10: 14
    Whose cow mooed, and the Croatian one would be better off silent.
  20. 0
    22 September 2017 10: 22
    The operation, during which more than 200 thousand Serbs were expelled and over two thousand killed, ended in victory for the Croatian forces

    Therefore, Ukrainian politicians do not stop howling about the need for a "Croatian option" in the Donbas. To roll everyone to the root, to squeeze the survivors into Russia and transfer the Donbass under American control.
  21. 0
    22 September 2017 10: 51
    The Kosovars would have suggested!
  22. 0
    22 September 2017 10: 53
    the pendulum will soon swing in the opposite direction
  23. 0
    22 September 2017 11: 33
    This is exactly what I expected. The United States wants to shove the armed forces of its sixes into the Donbass, under the guise of peacekeepers, and arrange a genocide of the Russian people in Donbas, similar to Kosovo.
  24. +1
    22 September 2017 12: 58
    Quote: Orel
    Unfortunately, the authorities of the Serbian Krajina also have nowhere to go further. According to the 1991 census, 35 percent of Croats lived there, and by 1992 only 7 percent remained. In total, almost 170 people of Croatian nationality were expelled.

    These data are from the new European myth-making.
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  26. 0
    22 September 2017 14: 09
    Croatia has no experience with Russia's response.
  27. 0
    22 September 2017 15: 00
    The Russian Foreign Ministry called this experience unsuccessful

    And MO suggested that he would be ... in the case of the faq. Vacation time can come unexpectedly at the same time.
  28. +1
    22 September 2017 16: 49
    Quote: 72jora72
    Quote: Orel
    Unfortunately, the authorities of the Serbian Krajina also have nowhere to go further. According to the 1991 census, 35 percent of Croats lived there, and by 1992 only 7 percent remained. In total, almost 170 people of Croatian nationality were expelled.

    These data are from the new European myth-making.

    Even so, even if it is correct data, but! Since the Croats in this territory were not the majority, and then supposedly and in general 7%, then why did the Ustasha get the territory?
    1. +2
      23 September 2017 04: 29
      These are false numbers - almost 100% of Serbs were expelled - 138 people. How can 000% be 7 from 170000 ??? the territory of Serbian Krajina was practically depopulated. By the way, I advise you to watch the American film "Savior" on this topic - it clearly shows how the Croatian Ustashi destroyed both Orthodox Serbs and Muslim Bosnians. They crushed their heads with sledgehammers, just like their forerunners in the WWII concentration camps. The film is not easy, I warn you, and it was not in wide distribution, which is quite natural.
  29. +1
    22 September 2017 21: 06
    This gentleman must be thanked for the fact that they are far enough from Russia, do not have common borders with us, and at that time Russia was not at all up to them.
  30. +2
    23 September 2017 04: 27
    Experience of the genocide that Croatian Nazis applied to Serbian Krajina and went unpunished? Or the fact that their forerunners in World War II were used to clear the territory of Croatia from Serbs, Roma, Jews and all other non-titular nations? good experience, just what Potroshenko needs.
  31. 0
    24 September 2017 08: 43
    after applying this "experience" in the Donbass, the population simply will not remain. and maybe such a Donbass Paroshenko and Co. and their hands of the drivers are required? Empty, deserted ...

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