Point of no return passed. The peace initiative of Moscow in the Donbass is thrown "into the furnace": a blank check for Kiev is ready for activation

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Within a few days, a whole series of significant events took place, demonstrating the complete failure of the Russian initiative to deploy the UN peacekeeping contingent on the contact line between the LDNR and the territory of the republics occupied by Ukrainian military formations. One of them, without any doubt, can be considered an attack by US Vice President Mike Pence and the illegitimate President of Ukraine P. Poroshenko at the 72 session of the UN General Assembly. The latter decided to leave the hall of the ministerial meeting of the UN Security Council immediately before the speech of Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, which can already be perceived as a kind of boycott of any proposals by the Russian Federation on the peaceful settlement of the conflict in the Donbas. However, against the background of the announcement of the provision of additional military assistance to Kiev, including the transfer of several hundred all-wheel drive armored cars HMMWV and 500 million dollars for the development of the defense industry, there is nothing surprising in this.



To the second indicator, we can safely count the results of the last meeting of Sergey Lavrov with US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson in New York, held on September 18, according to which the head of the Russian Foreign Ministry made a brief statement that “work on the Russian draft resolution on the deployment of peacekeeping forces in Donbas continues. " Speaking directly, the American side "under no sauce" will not accept the Russian formula for deploying a peacekeeping contingent on the front lines of Novorossia. After all, the West regards the artillery units of the Armed Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine as the basis for the cessation of shelling of residential areas of Gorlovka, Donetsk, Kominternovo and other localities of the republics, and the Ukrainian regular and volunteer military forces, where the so-called "selective peacekeepers" of the UN should clean up these territories a kind of "barrier" of "vultures" and "looking" that will impede the supply of Russian weapons and volunteers across the border when the APU begins to mennuyu artillery training in cities of the republic and the advanced units of the militia LDNR Corps. Such a situation in the root does not suit Moscow, in connection with which the ignore the cunning American proposal was not long in coming.

Moreover, the press secretary of the president of Russia, Dmitry Peskov, said that the UN peacekeeping mission can be located on the contact line only after approval by all the warring parties. The position voiced by the leadership of the republics completely coincides with the Russian one, but, as we see, no one is going to listen to it. What is even more alarming, there are more and more prerequisites that should now force the command of the LDNR people's militia corps to think about their defensive potential and counter-offensive capabilities in the Telman and Debaltsev operational areas. And given the imminent start of deliveries to Kiev of additional armament and radio-electronic equipment for the network-centric war, a significant “north wind” may be required, which was observed only in the summer and autumn of 2014. Delays can lead to fatal consequences for Novorossia and the extremely difficult operational and strategic situation on the western borders of the Southern Military District of Russia. This is clearly evidenced by the large-scale transfer of regular units of the Ukrainian Armed Forces to the border of the Republic of Crimea.

The last meeting of the Trilateral Contact Group within the framework of Minsk 2.0 pushes even more vague thoughts. This three-year-old “masquerade” has not brought any constructive proposals from the Ukrainian side for a long time; on the other hand, he contributed greatly to the creation of a decree of the military leadership of the Lugansk People’s Republic on the complete prohibition of return counter-battery fire on artillery batteries fired at the Armed Forces of Ukraine. It got to the point that the “Minsk format” became the direct generator of the genocide of the Russian population of the LPR. The picture is really absurd! And what to expect in the near future? To be honest, a regular three-year search for new answers to this boring question has had time to annoy most sensible political analysts and analysts who are preparing predictive works; but if the real hopeless “stagnation” of the conflict in the Donbas was previously observed, then very soon several resolution models may appear at once. As you already understood, none of them provides for a peaceful "loophole", and soon we will be able to make sure of this.

At the time, while Poroshenko continues to amuse the world community with demonstration of documents allegedly by Russian servicemen “in the Donbas in the number of 6 thousand people”, and Saakashvili collects brainless electorate to implement the next “pseudo-maid” plans against the background of issuing the first autumn receipts with increased tariffs on thermal energy, diverting the population from more serious military-political metamorphosis, inevitably approaches a rather important date (October 18), which can be a turning point in the operational-t actual situation in the Donbass theater of military operations, or even completely “pull” the large-scale conflict in the region of the Southern Military District of Russia. On this day, the term “On the Special Status of Donbass” expires and Kiev legally leaves the field of the “Minsk Agreements”. Despite the fact that the Vice-Chairman of the People’s Council of the LPR Vladislav Dane, as well as the Acting The Minister of Foreign Affairs of the DPR, Natalya Nikonorov, more than once officially called on the Ukrainian side to immediately extend the action of this bill, in order to avoid further “surprises”, in Kiev they don’t even think about it.

Moreover, they are preparing their own escalation "surprises" there. Bit by bit, the current situation is extremely beneficial for the Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics in that after the first attempt to "wash with the blood" of the republic, the NM LPR corps receive carte blanche for very serious retaliatory measures, up to a full-fledged counteroffensive in the main operational areas. This offensive can end both along the borders of the former Donetsk and Lugansk regions, and in the southwestern regions of Ukraine, where an anti-Ukrainian sentiment among the population is being expressed more and more often and on an ever larger scale. The armored potential of the 1st Army Corps of the DNR NM, represented by 250 - 300 MBT T-72A / AV / B and T-64BV, is quite enough to break through the only powerful line of fortified areas of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, located in the area of ​​the Mariupol-Donetsk highway (n. Granitnoe, Anadol, Donskoe, etc.), after which the "Mariupol boiler" will be formed. The most important stage for the 1st AK NM DNR before the counteroffensive will be the timely destruction of Ukrainian artillery batteries carrying out artillery barrage at the same long-suffering settlements of Novoazovsky and Telmanovsky districts, as well as preventing a breakthrough tank platoons of the 59th separate motorized infantry brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine from Shirokino, Lebedinsky and Talakovka deeper than strongholds in Sakhanka, Zaichenko and October.

Virtually all the data coming in today from the operational command of the NM of the DPR indicate an escalation of the conflict precisely on the southern part of the contact line. So, 19-21 September 2017 of the year, 2 tank platoon (6 tanks) 59 th OMBR moved from the village of Old Crimea (north-western outskirts of Mariupol) in the settlement Primorskoe, which is just 9 -10 km from the contact line. In September alone, no less than 5 was made in the new Azov movement, which means that the front line is constantly updated with new technology designed for the maneuverable phase of the war. In addition to two or three dozen deployed tanks, Priazovskiy theater of operations is saturated with large-caliber barrel artillery, arriving in Sartana, Pavlopol and Granite to support future offensive moves.

Against the backdrop of the apparent refusal of Washington and Kiev from the Russian peacekeeping initiative in the Donbass, it looks very interesting that the almost simultaneous conclusion of a contract with the Polish company WB Electronics SA for the purchase of Warmate unmanned loitering munitions, capable of loitering in the air for up to 30 minutes and attacking ground targets on distance 10 km. Some reviewers and incompetent bloggers claim the data drones do not pose a big threat to the armored units of the NM LDNR, since it is almost impossible to clearly aim a “drone projectile” at a moving target; similar conclusions can be found in the Militia Briefs community. However, this is absolutely not the case.


“Warmit” ammunition "Warmate" with a control panel and a directional antenna post for two-way communication and receiving telemetry information


Firstly, “Warmate”, which has a diving speed of about 200 km / h, is easy enough to send to a large mobile ground object like “tank”, because their glider is represented by a developed direct wing of a large area, which allows you to vigorously maneuver both in horizontal flight and in dive mode. Secondly, the "equipment" can be represented by a cumulative GK-1 warhead with armor penetration from 100 to 120 mm. An experienced operator is fully capable of directing Warmate ammo in such vulnerable areas of the tank as the upper armor-guard of the turret or military equipment. The two Warmate vulnerabilities are the radio command control system and the television homing head.

The electronic intelligence units of the LDNR have vast experience in intercepting and determining the frequency parameters of the analog control radio channel by the American MQ-11 Raven UAVs, and therefore the Polish Drones can complicate the task only if equipped with broadband radio control modules with frequency hopping. On the flight path, it is possible to confuse the operator by setting up a smoke screen from the GPA. Another option is to intercept a drone using the ZU-23-3, or the Osa-AK air defense missile system using a television optical sight, because the widespread use of composite materials can reduce the RCS to 0,02 m2, through which radar detection and tracking stations complex "Osa-AK" do not work. All the facts of the militarization of the Armed Forces of Ukraine demonstrate active preparation for hostilities, not inferior to those observed in the 14th year; events will begin to develop more contrastingly and quickly immediately after the upcoming consultations of the leaders of the "Normandy Four" and after the end of the "crown law" on October 18.

Information sources:
https://www.donetsk.kp.ru/online/news/2875692/
http://www.politnavigator.net/dejjnego-ukraina-ne-sobiraetsya-prodlevat-zakon-ob-osobom-statuse-donbassa.html
http://wb.com.pl/warmate-en/?lang=en
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  1. +12
    22 September 2017 06: 54
    Oh, I feel that a mess in the Donbass is outlining, if only “Mariupol2014” did not happen!
    1. +19
      22 September 2017 07: 27
      Quote: andrewkor
      Oh, I feel that a mess in the Donbass is outlining, if only “Mariupol2014” did not happen!


      I believe that nothing will happen. It is not beneficial to either side. The discussion of peacekeepers will continue. Fundamentally, everyone agrees on their participation and this is a way out for everyone. It is no accident that all parties seized on this. Just the mandate of the peacekeepers will have a compromise character. There will be no purely Russian or Western option. This will be a compromise option, and it should be discussed for a long time. You just have to wait.
      1. +41
        22 September 2017 08: 26
        And who said that Parashenko is not "legitimate"? Our leadership does not think so, shakes hands. Here and draw conclusions.
        1. +1
          26 September 2017 09: 27
          Tired of this chewing lips in relation to Ukraine. Why does the Armed Forces of Ukraine steal on LDNR, and they are silent? They would give the APU-Schnick and all sorts of "Azov" ... lyuley so that they would run and fart to Galicia itself. So no! Our all worry that they will think in the "West", hope that the sanctions will be lifted ...
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            1. +1
              26 September 2017 13: 42
              I’m not talking about whether people are shooting from the territory of the LPR or not. I was about to bring back all the heavy artillery, hail, tanks, send the hell out of the OSCE, and not listening to the squeals of Europe, let ukrovermaht burst through. And without any truces, go all the way.
      2. +26
        22 September 2017 10: 15
        Quote: Orel
        It is not profitable to either side

        Think about the parties:
        1. Ukraine - profitable, because not really inside, and Saakashvilli is about to break into Kiev! It is necessary to aggravate the war in order to send all the national battalions and the other riffraff there, to divert attention. Well, to raise patriotism! And there where the curve will lead!
        2. USA - profitable, because destabilization at the borders of Russia is good for them, another reason to spur Russophobia in Europe, to draw Russia into an expensive company to force Ukraine into peace. Their envoys to the Russian Federation (bulk-like) will also be happy with such a turn.
        3. Europe - profitable, because it’s profitable for the USA, that’s it ...
        4. Russia is not profitable at all, because it’s not clear how to act, whether to deploy troops or not, but I think we’ll introduce them. In any case, it plays against us ...
        5. LDNR - obviously they don’t need a war, they would have to prepare for the heating season ...
        I appoint a batch at the end of the current - beginning of next year, in connection with the presidential election, including to split society within the Russian Federation and undermine the Kremlin. what
        1. BAI
          +11
          22 September 2017 11: 29
          I appoint a batch at the end of the current - beginning of next year, in connection with the presidential election, including to split society within the Russian Federation and undermine the Kremlin.

          On the contrary, it is disadvantageous for the West and others like it, because Russia without fail will render assistance to Donbass and this will raise Putin’s rating. And depending: "The more help, the higher the rating."
          1. +7
            22 September 2017 12: 31
            Quote: BAI
            because Russia without fail will render assistance to Donbass and this will raise Putin’s rating

            Well, I wouldn’t be so sure, because pro-Western forces in the Russian Federation will immediately calculate how much it costs our poor budget, they will play with numbers, rallies shouting that Putin, like Hitler, attacked Ukraine and they will be right ...
          2. +3
            23 September 2017 05: 51
            On the contrary, it is disadvantageous for the West and others like it, because Russia without fail will render assistance to Donbass and this will raise Putin’s rating. And depending: "The more help, the higher the rating."
            Putin’s rating has nothing to do with it, he will be reelected anyway, but society can be destabilized. America allocated a fair amount of money to influence the outcome of the elections, and since this does not hinder re-election in any way, the lion's share of these funds will be used to try to challenge the election results, to protest rallies and, possibly, to try to arrange a maidan in Moscow.
        2. +8
          22 September 2017 12: 25
          Quote: raw174
          Think about the parties:

          Well, let's think about ... the points
          Quote: raw174
          1. Ukraine - profitable, because not really inside, and Saakashvilli is about to break into Kiev! It is necessary to aggravate the war in order to send all the national battalions and the other riffraff there, to divert attention. Well, to raise patriotism! And there where the curve will lead!

          Ukraine, and more precisely Kiev, is not at all beneficial. If hostilities begin now, the Kremlin will not stop the New Russians anymore. And then they will drive the Natsiks at least further than Odessa. What will mean an increase in the area of ​​New Russia and increased influence of the Russian Federation in these territories.
          Quote: raw174
          3. Europe - profitable, because it’s profitable for the USA, that’s it ...

          Europe is not profitable, because in the light of sanctions and the aggravation of relations with the Russian Federation, many European countries are stupidly losing money. But barking in the direction of Russia, some European countries, more than the Circus Chapito to call the language does not turn.
          Quote: raw174
          4. Russia is not profitable at all, because it’s not clear how to act, whether to deploy troops or not, but I think we’ll introduce them. In any case, it plays against us ...

          If we take into account the fact that in the state in which New Russia is now, as well as the very protracted war near our walls, I believe that it is just beneficial for the Kremlin to get the New Russians army to the walls of Kiev. At the same time, given the combat effectiveness of the Donbass army, she can do it. And in the event of the beginning of the third full-scale hostilities, I am sure that the Kremlin will not stop the New Russians anymore and this stupid truce game will also not.
          Quote: raw174
          5. LDNR - obviously they don’t need a war, they would have to prepare for the heating season ...

          In any case, the Novorossiysk need to solve something with the war. By negotiation it has been proven many times that it does not work. This is not beneficial to Kiev. And therefore, I see only one way to approach peace in the army of Donbass is to move the borders of New Russia to the capital, Independent. At the same time, upon the liberation of such cities as Kharkov and Nikolaev, a strong blow will be inflicted on the Ukrainian defense industry, which will prevent Kiev from replenishing its armored forces with new armored vehicles.
          Quote: raw174
          I appoint a batch at the end of the current - beginning of next year, in connection with the presidential election, including to split society within the Russian Federation and undermine the Kremlin.

          I believe the beginning of a new round of war is not long to wait. hi
          1. +6
            22 September 2017 12: 41
            Quote: NEXUS
            And then they will drive the Natsiks at least further than Odessa. What will mean an increase in the area of ​​New Russia and increased influence of the Russian Federation in these territories.

            If only there was enough gunpowder in the powder flasks ... If the LDNR goes on the offensive, only the NATO contingent introduced will be able to restrain them. Petro, as the country's prezik, may ask NATO to intervene. Americans and other blue bloods will not go, of course, but the Baltic states easily ...
            Quote: NEXUS
            Europe is not profitable, because in the light of sanctions and the aggravation of relations with the Russian Federation, many European countries are stupidly losing money.

            It is not profitable for her, but it is painful for the USA to keep them on a short leash, in fact everything that the White House offers is supported by the European authorities, though through gritted teeth ...
            Quote: NEXUS
            that the Kremlin is just beneficial for the Novorossiysk army to reach the walls of Kiev.

            Without direct help, the Russian Federation will not reach. Partners will not give ...
            1. +10
              22 September 2017 12: 45
              Quote: raw174
              Without direct help, the Russian Federation will not reach. Partners will not give ...

              Do you still think that Novorossia kept it only thanks to its forces? Kiev supplies and finances the State Department, while Donetsk and Lugansk support the Kremlin.
              1. +3
                22 September 2017 13: 20
                Quote: NEXUS
                Do you still think that Novorossia kept it only thanks to its forces?

                No, I know for sure that we are helping, but in a quiet one. Of course, the material and technical base, intelligence and military specialists are ours there (I personally know the current military man who was there without documents, commanded in the transport part). I mean real military assistance, such as in Syria, here it’s easier for us, a large land border, the Crimea and the fleet are nearby, but in the political plan it’s more complicated. In Syria, we are at the invitation of the government, but we will not invite to Ukraine ...
          2. +3
            23 September 2017 06: 04
            And then they will drive the Natsiks at least further than Odessa. What will mean an increase in the area of ​​New Russia and increased influence of the Russian Federation in these territories.
            If another Boeing does not fall or some other large-scale provocation does not happen.
            At the same time, given the combat effectiveness of the Donbass army, she can do it.
            Do not forget that propaganda was doing its job, inciting hatred of the Russians. In 2014 there would be a liberation campaign, now there will already be a war.
            I believe the beginning of a new round of war is not long to wait.
            War during the Autumn Thaw? My forecast is that if something there begins at the end of winter (closer to the elections in Russia (March 18)).
          3. +1
            24 September 2017 10: 40
            the army of novorossov reached the walls of Kiev
            The question is not whether the army of Novorosov will be able to get to Kiev or not, the question is how will this all happen now?
            The brains of most of Ukraine in three years have changed so much that the advance of the novoros army towards Kiev will cause an even greater surge in civil strife with the involvement of civilians in these actions. And Russia will be even more accused of aggression and occupation, only Kiev will have an extra argument already in its innocence.
        3. +2
          22 September 2017 13: 33
          IMHO LDNR war needs blood from the nose because will allow you to divert artillery from the cities and secure the rear.

          And you can prepare for the heating season, but after a couple of shots from the APU, the season will be disrupted.
          1. +3
            22 September 2017 13: 37
            Quote: Krabik
            IMHO LDNR war needs blood from the nose because will allow you to divert artillery from the cities and secure the rear.

            They need peace, real peace ... It is necessary to rebuild everything destroyed, everything collapsed ... Maybe a bad world is better than a good war?
            1. +7
              22 September 2017 13: 45
              "Whoever is afraid of war will receive both war and shame."

              Of course a bad world is better, but in a situation where troops are being pulled up and fired at, periodically throwing DRGs, I don’t know.

              Here, they also suffered before the Second World War, but they could have defeated the bridgeheads of Germany on the approaches to the union and there would have been no battle for Stalingrad, cannibalism in Leningrad and lost Kiev!
              1. avt
                0
                22 September 2017 19: 18
                Quote: Krabik
                "Whoever is afraid of war will receive both war and shame."

                Is it like you quote yourself? Then it's real fool Sir Winston specifically about Chamberlain’s actions spoke completely differently and with the situation in the Donbass, the Munich conspiracy was generally nothing to do with it ... All the more so in relation to Russia.
                1. +1
                  22 September 2017 20: 07
                  Maybe in the Donbass, our Foreign Ministry wants to replay the West in the information field and discredit their actions against the Russian Federation.

                  But no matter how it happened, as last time.
                  Maybe a different situation, but the Americans are building missile bases in eastern Europe, the troops are gathering.
                  The analogy suggests itself.

                  Here are 2 scenarios for you:

                  1) They will complete the missile bases and hit us with nuclear missiles, we will respond with the rest on them.

                  2) We will now preemptively strike with nuclear missiles at the bases and cities of the United States and they will respond to us with remnants.
                  1. +2
                    23 September 2017 06: 10
                    Here are 2 scenarios for you:
                    1) They will complete the missile bases and hit us with nuclear missiles, we will respond with the rest on them.
                    2) We will now preemptively strike with nuclear missiles at the bases and cities of the United States and they will respond to us with remnants.
                    In both cases, nuclear winter and the death of most of humanity, if not all. And those who strike first and suffer less from the explosions will envy those who died immediately - the losing side.
                    1. 0
                      23 September 2017 17: 26
                      Radiation increases the breakdown of DNA and accelerates evolution.

                      After a nuclear war, humanity will begin to develop faster, getting rid of excess ballast;)

                      The same film "terminator", literally after the war, a time machine appeared.

                      So you can always find something good even in a major nuclear conflict ...
                      1. +3
                        23 September 2017 18: 34
                        radiation accelerates the evolution of protozoa - this does not concern us. Here only oncology is threatened. Sluggish changes are needed for the evolution of complex organisms
                  2. 0
                    26 September 2017 20: 20
                    Quote: Krabik




                    Here are 2 scenarios for you:

                    1) They will complete missile bases and hit us with nuclear missiles, we will reply with balances on them.

                    2) We will now preemptively strike with nuclear missiles at the bases and cities of the United States and they will answer us with the rest.


                    It is precisely for these reasons that neither we nor they will begin.
            2. 0
              26 September 2017 04: 46
              Build under art shelling ?! What is it like? But what about the occupied territories of LDNR ??
      3. Lem
        +2
        22 September 2017 11: 38
        Quote: Orel
        I believe that nothing will happen. It is not beneficial to either side.

        This is beneficial to the states.
        1. +1
          22 September 2017 12: 07
          Quote: Lem
          This is beneficial to the states.

          In Ukraine they already say that it is time to free Russia!
          1. +7
            22 September 2017 13: 39
            Quote: volodya
            In Ukraine they already say that it is time to free Russia!

            It is high time! Let them take their labor, free jobs for our homeless people))) Although the industry of women with low social responsibility will suffer (((
          2. +3
            22 September 2017 19: 19
            Who is this? Is the daughter of Novodvorskaya ?? Well, very similar
            1. +1
              26 September 2017 20: 23
              If only a clone: ​​a dead toad was proud of its virginity.
      4. 0
        22 September 2017 11: 44
        No, you are not an Eagle. The USA and some EU countries need a mess.
        And they will not wait for your expectations, fly on.
      5. +1
        22 September 2017 12: 25
        If nothing happens, then these five billion bucks spent on the Maidan, were spent in vain?
      6. 0
        22 September 2017 13: 14
        Quote: Orel
        I believe that nothing will happen.

        nothing will happen before the elections in Ukraine, and you will see
      7. +1
        22 September 2017 15: 41
        Quote: Orel
        Quote: andrewkor
        Oh, I feel that a mess in the Donbass is outlining, if only “Mariupol2014” did not happen!


        I believe that nothing will happen. It is not beneficial to either side. The discussion of peacekeepers will continue. Fundamentally, everyone agrees on their participation and this is a way out for everyone. It is no accident that all parties seized on this. Just the mandate of the peacekeepers will have a compromise character. There will be no purely Russian or Western option. This will be a compromise option, and it should be discussed for a long time. You just have to wait.

        They are needed only for a ceasefire and the protection of the OSCE and that’s it! Moreover, in the framework of the Minsk agreements and with the consent of the republics! In short, the outskirts of the ass with its Maidan politics! fellow
      8. 0
        23 September 2017 21: 28
        evidence of the large-scale transfer of regular units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to the border of the Republic of Crimea.
        WILL NOT IF COVERED COCHLES FROM 3 PARTIES - FROM BRYANSK IN AN ARC TO CRIMEA (3 TIMES BIG FORCE)
        AND IT IS DIFFICULT, ALL THE SAME, TO BELIEVE IN THE WORLD - BY 2019 THE TRANSIT TO 2 BILLION AND JV2 WILL BE CONSTRUCTED - THIS IS ALL EQUAL FOR LIFE CONDITIONS. SO WELL SORRY FOR THEIR FUTURE POVERTY.
    2. 0
      22 September 2017 11: 48
      as always .... dill will jerk .... get their teeth and howl about peace talks ...
      1. 0
        23 September 2017 21: 41
        Mariupol is no longer needed cohlama?
        - they set a condition --- they must enter the EU without metallurgy !!!!!!!!!!!!
        Akhmetov discarded? who will take his assets in the center of the outskirts - only 3-4 people
    3. +3
      22 September 2017 12: 40
      The defense minister, the independent Poltorak, filed a resignation report and said that the APU did not want to fight with their people. So, to fight in the Donbass from Ukraine will go only "scumbags."
      1. 0
        22 September 2017 13: 15
        Quote: siberalt
        Defense Minister Square Poltorak filed a resignation report and said that the APU did not want to fight with their people

        Do you think that the years of propaganda are in vain?
        1. +3
          22 September 2017 15: 08
          Quote: cyberhanter
          Quote: siberalt
          Defense Minister Square Poltorak filed a resignation report and said that the APU did not want to fight with their people

          Do you think that the years of propaganda are in vain?

          Yes, he just doesn’t want to be extreme when the leadership of the Ruins forces the APU to advance - and so he leaves on time, realizing that the relatively quiet days are ending!
          This information about this passed a couple of days ago, and he resigned last week.
          “According to our information, last week he put Poroshenko a statement on his resignation. Why? Because they are forced orally: get ready for war. There is no ammunition, the mood in the Humpty Dumpty army. General Nikitenko showed his burrows, ”said Oleinik, referring to the case when Major General of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Peter Nikitenko, who called the nationalists from the Donbass battalion looters.

          According to Oleynik, there is a problem with the legal support of the Ukrainian army.
          “In the ATO it is impossible to use armed forces in clashes, only for protection. The military understands: Poroshenko will run away, and they will be responsible for serious crimes against their own people. And Poroshenko has no way out. A war is not a solution to his problem, but an extension of his term in power, ”said the politician.http: //www.politnavigator.net/ministr-obo
          rony-ukrainy-podal-v-otstavku-ne-khochet-novojj-v
          ojjny.html
      2. +3
        22 September 2017 15: 11
        Quote: siberalt
        The defense minister, the independent Poltorak, filed a resignation report and said that the APU did not want to fight with their people.

        All this was stated by Oleinik in Moscow. I invented it myself, filed it myself, explained it myself. Probably personally took a report.
        There are no official posts. All refer to Oleynik. And he said such a strange thing that he was still quoted.
        1. 0
          22 September 2017 17: 22
          http://www.politnavigator.net/ministr-oborony-ukr
          ainy-podal-v-otstavku-ne-khochet-novojj-vojjny.ht
          ml And here Oleynik, read here.
        2. 0
          22 September 2017 19: 00
          And Oleynik said that Poltorak walks in a southeast direction to the east. laughing There is no smoke without fire. Without a change, there is no motivation. hi
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    5. +2
      22 September 2017 23: 57
      The West has set the Ukrainian president Petro Poroshenko the task in the next five months to unleash a war with Russia. However, overseas patrons of Ukraine insured themselves and gave the same order to the former governor of Odessa region Mikhail Saakashvili in case of failure of the Ukrainian “guarantor”.
      1. 0
        23 September 2017 06: 06
        Well, most likely not 5 months, but until Syria ended. And Saakashvili is an evil nanny.
        1. 0
          23 September 2017 10: 25
          Quote: LAWNER
          until Syria is over.

          After the defeat of the igil, the conflict will flare up with renewed vigor, 4 pawn will soon be knocked out and 3 will remain.
    6. 0
      26 September 2017 09: 28
      Quote: andrewkor
      Oh, I feel that a mess in the Donbass is outlining, if only “Mariupol2014” did not happen!

      On that we argue that nothing will happen? Such articles have already become an obligatory attribute on VO. Every month someone scammers about the imminent offensive of the Armed Forces, but over the past 2 of the year not a single forecast has come true.
    7. +3
      26 September 2017 17: 30
      I don’t know what the author of the article seeks, but I need to understand elementarily what a possible offensive from the LPR and the DPR is. The republics simply do not have enough infantry to control the expanding territory, even if the offensive passes without any losses and therefore it is already doomed. Calls to advance are more like a dumb provocation.
      The power option is one of the simplest and most harmful decisions.
      The only thing that republics can do is to clear their borders from aggressive military groups. A variant of Czechoslovakia, when there is a march of tanks to the capital, is possible only with a radically different balance of forces. The Americans gave Ukraine enough money to create a cordon covering Kiev from such throws for another year.
      In my opinion, there is only one real option - active support of the discontent of the population and political activity in order to create real opposition to the Kiev radicals in the government.
  2. +1
    22 September 2017 07: 03
    So what is war after all? If full-scale hostilities begin, what will be the reaction of Russia? Three years have not been drawn into the conflict, but what will happen if?
    1. +15
      22 September 2017 07: 33
      Quote: rotmistr60
      So what is war after all?

      private opinion article of Comrade Damantsev.
      Quote: rotmistr60
      If full-scale hostilities begin, what will be the reaction of Russia?

      expectant as always ... of course we will not let LDNR "sweep", vacationers will go first, and if things go really badly (which I doubt) we will harness ... (my opinion)
    2. +1
      22 September 2017 09: 12
      "Three years have not been drawn into the conflict, but what will happen if?" may operation "peace enforcement"
    3. +1
      22 September 2017 12: 05
      The reaction of Russia is quite predictable. Russia as a guarantor of the Minsk agreements, in response to Ukraine’s violation of Minsk-2 and Ukraine’s invasion of LDNR, recognizes the republics and, at the request of these republics, provides military assistance to them. Russia until this time, the World Cup-18 would have time to hold. But it is felt that during the opening of the ZOI in Korea, everything will start. Some people really like to play war games just during the Olympics.
      1. +1
        22 September 2017 12: 10
        Why is everyone so worn with this World Cup 18!? They will not be able to pick him up, only to boycott. But do we need guests from Russophobian countries? I think they are not needed.
      2. +1
        26 September 2017 17: 35
        in Ossetia there was an attempt at a blitzkrieg, not a war.
        Georgia was completely unprepared for war.
        in DNR, a blitzkrieg is not possible.
  3. +11
    22 September 2017 07: 13
    Three hot spots: LDNR, Transnistria and Korea. If they flare up at once, you’ll have to turn around, like in a frying pan!
    1. +4
      22 September 2017 08: 22
      Syria was forgotten ...
    2. +2
      22 September 2017 11: 49
      The first two are actually one. And Korea is China’s problem.
    3. +1
      22 September 2017 12: 10
      And Korea is to us from which side? Russia condemned Pyongyang for launching missiles and testing hydrogen bombs. Then let China be preoccupied with Korea and agree with the United States. And we need to finish off the barmales in Syria.
  4. +35
    22 September 2017 07: 34
    There are no words! Some expressions! Reached with all sorts of Minsk! They were afraid that the socialist republic would be on hand !? What guys were put to please the oligarchs! But they wouldn’t hold them back - long ago the whole Donbass would be free!
    1. +10
      22 September 2017 08: 03
      Egoza hi
      But they wouldn’t hold them back - long ago the whole Donbass would be free!
      We are in an ambush. We are waiting. If someone doesn’t understand what we have, Zheleznyak with Yarovaya and so on will be released on TV. They will garbage everyone in three boxes. And we will continue to sit in an ambush.
      1. +12
        22 September 2017 08: 23
        Yeah ... I'm sitting in an ambush ... I feel - they planted ....
        1. +7
          22 September 2017 09: 55
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          Yeah ... I'm sitting in an ambush ... I feel - they planted ....

          condolences ... recourse
        2. +16
          22 September 2017 11: 04
          What planted it for sure! The pension was three hundred dollars in equivalent, and it became one hundred and kopeks with a jump in prices and every day now they show me on TV like either a junta or Bandera trample the lands of Donbass shelling civilians. But the guarantor with an important look said that we won’t let us offend Russian speakers.
    2. avt
      +7
      22 September 2017 11: 37
      Quote: Egoza
      Reached with all sorts of Minsk! They were afraid that the socialist republic would be on hand !? What guys were put to please the oligarchs! But they wouldn’t hold them back - long ago the whole Donbass would be free!

      Well Elena! Well, let's all the same honestly and as objectively as possible, without emotions (although this is of course completely impossible) to analyze the past years and the course of the war in the Donbass. Indeed, in fact, unlike the Crimea, the situation there in the beginning of 1917 actually repeated at first, when without some kind of centralized leadership of the resistance, naturally there was a walk with atamans of all stripes. Well, just remember how many, besides Girkin / Strelkov, there were ,, defense ministers! ”By the way, Natsik seized one near Mariupol. Yes and Debaltseve was carried out well .... not quite as beautiful and fun as shown on TV. After all, only more or less they build a civilian management system with subordination of REAL material and production resources and, I hope, have completely formed two corps, which can already be called full-fledged army units in the sense of understanding what the military means by this. even worse - howl an old song about the main
      Quote: sapporo1959
      But the guarantor with an important look said that we will not allow to offend Russian speakers.

      ,, Putin! Enter the troops! "The words of Girkin, music of an unknown liberalist. The guarantor is generally responsible for at least 1/8 of the land and MUST take into account ALL scenarios from the consequences of the decisions made. And he has more information than the aspect of the reconstructor. Well, let's honestly, not according to Basurin- How many REALLY since the beginning of the conflict did the Armed Forces of Ukraine, have they directly switched to LDNR parties? Or stupidly a bayonet to the ground and huts? They didn’t count down from the Ruins. But there are eight times more under two arms there LDNR, well, taking into account the Avakov National Guard. So
      Quote: Egoza
      But they wouldn’t hold them back - long ago the whole Donbass would be free!

      Maybe, maybe .... and then?
      1. +3
        23 September 2017 07: 56
        Your faith in Putin's insight is simply touching. Your transfers in the last paragraph about the presence of any forces at the ruins of Shchas-Kakensky you are an expert. Only we are talking about 2014, when all this pack was draped in red shorts for Marik. Here's the answer to your question, how many would fall down in the huts. They would have blamed everything on the huts. This Chechen campaign also showed the national game and they are the champions in it. And right now they’ll run, only our border will cross, because the shit on their ruins cannot be scooped up. And then - just the most necessary.
        Why is it for Russia? If we do not want to be again within Muscovy, this is our main problem. We don’t decide, we are in decline, and the solution by shaking it off has not worked. What Strelkov was talking about back in 2014, when the “pigeons” ransacked the entire Kremlin elite and Putin played in his “polls”, where he was counted, pouring disa about the “red lines” into his ears.
    3. +1
      22 September 2017 12: 25
      You say so mysteriously that many questions arise. They put the guys in favor of which oligarchs? Kolomoisky and Potroshenko? And from whom would the Donbass be free? Now Donbass is occupied by two warring parties. Your quote is painful: “Frightened that the socialist republic will be at hand” !? embarrassing, because it is not clear who was scared? Is Russia the initiator of the Minsk agreements, or Ukraine, which was forced to sign these agreements because of the threat of the complete defeat of the Armed Forces of Ukraine? If Russia, then why should it be scared of the "Socialist Republic at hand"?
      1. +6
        23 September 2017 07: 39
        What oligarchs are you asking? Yes, for the sake of Akhmetov, who would have reduced his whole business to zero without Marik.
        Who would be scared of a socialist republic? Is it not clear? - Putin and company. These dark guys, bright fighters for the Russian world, such as Mozgovoy and Strelkov, could spoil the picture of future rule in the Russian Federation. The ancient history since the tales of Rustam Takhnatam, when the ruler begins to fear a commander who wins or brilliantly confronts superior forces. It is unpleasant for the darks from the Cheka to confront those who can openly solve problems. And the attitude towards the “socialist” shifts that Mozgova announced, for example, is very strange for Putin, like from the Chekists, but at the same time gravitating towards monarchists and liberals, all zero ones continued to create the elite in the country, instead of technological development of the economy.
    4. +2
      22 September 2017 15: 48
      Quote: Egoza
      There are no words! Some expressions! Reached with all sorts of Minsk! They were afraid that the socialist republic would be on hand !? What guys were put to please the oligarchs! But they wouldn’t hold them back - long ago the whole Donbass would be free!

      Therefore, these guys threw land from Slavyansk and Severodonetsk, as well as Mariupol? Stop talking nonsense!
      1. +3
        23 September 2017 07: 43
        And who liked you your openly unsightly comment. Slavyansk and Severodonetsk with Mariupol surrendered? And you from the militia, which was without a week a week already, have become professional? It is much more important that by September 2014 they had prepared an attack on Marik. And they would have taken it if it had not been for the Chechen Surkov-Dudaev if it weren’t the darkest with his “knee plans”. That’s because the Khazarin of the Russian Federation was lucky to wet it with the wrong hands. Where there to his namesake in 1994.
  5. +8
    22 September 2017 07: 35
    Quote: Orel
    I believe that nothing will happen. It is not beneficial to either side. The discussion of peacekeepers will continue. Fundamentally, everyone agrees on their participation and this is a way out for everyone.

    -----------------------------
    Now the question is not worth it, the United States needs an escalation in the Ukrainian direction, which they consider as yet winning as a painful boil on the side of Russia. It is desirable under the wrong flag, hands of non-slaves. At the same time, steps are being taken to dissolve the western part of Ukraine, the adoption of an unacceptable and violating all conceivable norms of the law on language actively contributes to this.
  6. +3
    22 September 2017 07: 37
    Quote from Uncle Lee
    Three hot spots: LDNR, Transnistria and Korea. If they flare up at once, you’ll have to turn around, like in a frying pan!

    ----------------------------
    Has Syria flashed by you already? And Yemen, too, and Iraq, and Libya.
    1. +4
      22 September 2017 08: 37
      Quote: Altona
      Has Syria flashed by you already?

      And in Syria, it’s not over yet! And it will burn for a long time!
  7. +20
    22 September 2017 07: 39

    Quote: Egoza
    There are no words! Some expressions! Reached with all sorts of Minsk! They were afraid that the socialist republic would be on hand !? What guys were put to please the oligarchs!

    ------------------------------
    Chubais, Medvedevs, Sechins, Friedmans, Kudrins, Grefs, Prokhorovs, Khodorkovskys directly resist this. And in most cases, they directly sponsor ATOs like Sberbank, Alfa Bank, Khodorkovsky and Prokhorov.
    1. +25
      22 September 2017 09: 02
      Quote: Altona
      Chubais, Medvedevs, Sechins, Friedmans, Kudrins, Grefs, Prokhorovs, Khodorkovskys directly resist this. And in most cases, they directly sponsor ATOs like Sberbank, Alfa Bank, Khodorkovsky and Prokhorov.

      But it’s a pity that it wasn’t 1937. Over time, it becomes clear who, why and why the Great Stalin disposed of before the war. And it is their followers and like-minded people who are now cribbing the name of the Great Leader.
      1. +2
        22 September 2017 09: 55
        .. The US Congress has already sent a black mark to the Russian oligarchs: -OR -OR ..
        They -y come from the fact that if the oligarchs get angry, then they will certainly arrange a palace coup. How can you not recall the late Brzek ..
        "A bill on additional appropriations for intelligence was introduced into the US Congress by chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee Richard Burr, which proposes a series of measures to counter cyber espionage by Russia ... It is proposed to prepare no later than 180 days from the date this law comes into force. a report (which will be created in the office of the Director of National Intelligence in collaboration with the U.S. Treasury Secretary) on the level of money laundering by Russian oligarchs affiliated with the Russian government, and all available sources, including data from the Counterterrorism and Financial Intelligence Office under the U.S. Treasury Department, should be involved. The report will also need to indicate the so-called "entry points" for laundering Russian money in the United States, as well as structures at the global level that are involved in such activity, including in the United States. "
      2. +3
        22 September 2017 12: 43
        Quote: Antianglosaks
        It’s a pity that it’s not 1937.

        Aren't you afraid to be disposed of with them? We would find connections, for example, a client of Sberbank or a consumer of electric energy from Chubais. Would find something. After all, “they cut down wood - chips fly”, right? )))
        1. +2
          22 September 2017 15: 56
          Quote: verner1967
          Quote: Antianglosaks
          It’s a pity that it’s not 1937.

          Aren't you afraid to be disposed of with them? We would find connections, for example, a client of Sberbank or a consumer of electric energy from Chubais. Would find something. After all, “they cut down wood - chips fly”, right? )))

          Do you know what happens to the forest if you do not carry out sanitary felling? He begins to hurt and at the end of the whole process he dies from the fire! Slippers yepta! fool
          1. +1
            22 September 2017 19: 18
            Quote: analyst1973
            Do you know what happens to the forest if you do not carry out sanitary felling?

            so
            Quote: analyst1973
            sanitary
            not general. Moreover, who conducted them before they were invented, and then there were much more forests, and analyte? fool
            1. +1
              22 September 2017 22: 31
              Quote: verner1967
              Quote: analyst1973
              Do you know what happens to the forest if you do not carry out sanitary felling?

              so
              Quote: analyst1973
              sanitary
              not general. Moreover, who conducted them before they were invented, and then there were much more forests, and analyte? fool

              Is it important for you to snap back? Well, have a drink!
            2. +1
              22 September 2017 23: 19
              Hacked, and how! The serif strips from the enemy did!))) Well, the fires helped to keep the forests in a sanitary sense healthy!
              1. +1
                23 September 2017 07: 12
                Quote: dmitry.kashkaryow
                The serif strips from the enemy did!

                serif strips are not a sanitary felling, everything fell down there.
                Quote: dmitry.kashkaryow
                Well, fires helped to maintain forests in a sanitary sense healthy!

                Well, fires also do not selectively burn trees, I don’t understand what is the sanitation?
            3. +1
              23 September 2017 07: 59
              Do you consider 0,75% of the population of the repressed "general logging"? This is just sanitary. All rank by rank. Right now they don’t carry out, that's the result, which only creatures and not one pair you will not meet in the Russian Federation. And even more those who are not in the Russian Federation, but with its property
              1. +1
                23 September 2017 08: 35
                Quote: znavel
                Do you consider 0,75% of the population of the repressed "general logging"?

                According to the historian N.V. Petrov, in 1939-1940. 100 to 150 thousand people were released from places of detention, and mainly at the expense of those who were arrested but not convicted until November 17, 1938.
                It was only under Stalin that they were released, but who didn’t have time? And how many more were rehabilitated later posthumously? Maybe the names of Korolev and Rokossovsky do not tell you anything.
                Quote: znavel
                0,75% of the population repressed
                What does the whole population have to do with it? The leaders and military leaders, on whom the fate of the country's development depended, were repressed, among them percent must be calculated. Engage in pharisaism.
                https://www.novayagazeta.ru/articles/2010/06/16/2
                916-generaly-velikoy-otechestvennoy
                1. +3
                  23 September 2017 08: 38
                  But how does this refute my words? Over the entire period of Soviet power, 2,7 million people were repressed. About 500 thousand of them were shot, of which, according to the really political paragraphs of Article 58, about fifty thousand. Data of the Memorial Society
    2. +1
      22 September 2017 10: 26
      Do you really believe the word PS?
    3. +1
      24 September 2017 23: 34
      Why is she not in jail? Or is it no longer a crime to sponsor terrorists?
  8. +7
    22 September 2017 07: 58
    Maybe not in the subject, but it was remembered .. Death Aria from the rock opera "Star and Death of Haokin Muritei":
    For everyone, travel is free on my ship,
    And we don’t charge for the return fare,
    The reverse will not be where you moor
    Your earthly fervor will cool the breath of darkness
    Everything will be decided right there, listen to my sister,
    You will have to go abroad.

    There will be a mess, I won’t get away
    Oh, that will be uncle, at least swim back,
    The bridegroom awaits with a scythe bride,
    Hee hee ha ha ho ho ...
    The wedding cake will be in the blood.

    There will be a mess, in bulk and by installments,
    Then look, look and turn around in a spinning top,
    The son will quarrel with his father, the mother will rob her daughter,
    Hee hee ha ha ho ho ...
    The priest will dig gold with a cross.

    There will be a mess, believe it,
    In this case, you need to stay on top,
    Two steps, no more, from star to death,
    Hee hee ha ha ho ho ...
    Where it smells of gold, it smells like lead.
  9. +9
    22 September 2017 08: 12
    Russia needs to be more decisive. As the GDP used to say, if fights cannot be avoided, then you need to beat first. Namely, the recognition of LDNR, an agreement on mutual military assistance, the introduction of troops, the arrangement of the border. And let them try to shoot at least once, lose all of New Russia. And for Ukrainians the States, especially the EU, will not fight with Russia. There will be a howl, but nothing more. Moreover, at some meeting it is very popular to explain this to the Americans. Having added that the Iskanders will be at their missile defense facilities in Romania, and not only ...
    1. 0
      22 September 2017 22: 48
      Quote: Alex von Dorn
      As GDP used to say

      I remember that GDP used to say on May 7, 2014. Many do not even understand that this date has become a point of no return.
  10. +10
    22 September 2017 08: 25
    It seemed to me that the author was writing a script for a science fiction novel on an alternative story. Let's start with one of the first phrases. and illegitimate president of Ukraine P. Poroshenko Damanites, generally aware that the whole world (including our president) recognized Don Pedro?
    1. +4
      22 September 2017 10: 32
      Delays can lead to fatal consequences for New Russia and the extremely difficult operational and strategic situation on the western borders of the Southern Military District of Russia. This is clearly evidenced by the large-scale transfer of regular units of the Armed Forces to the border of the Republic of Crimea.

      Yes, the author lives in a parallel world where Ukraine is about to attack Russia.
  11. +16
    22 September 2017 08: 26
    Stopping the advance of the DPR troops in 2014 is a strategic mistake of our leaders (more precisely, the leader). Huge amounts of money have been spent, thousands of people have died and most importantly not a single issue has been resolved in favor of Russia and LDNR. Yes, the whole Western world would have ganged up on us, but he has ganged up on that as well. We could not add the whole Southeast to Russia, but help create our own state there, like the Donetsk-Kryvyi Rih Republic. The Americans blinded Kosovo and nothing, it would have come to them, and it would have been for us to create a new state.
    1. +14
      22 September 2017 08: 38
      Quote: captain
      and help create your own state there, like the Donetsk-Kryvyi Rih Republic.

      They didn’t want her! Separated Donetsk and Lugansk, put in charge ...... (censorship will not miss) and EVERYTHING! it remains only to read "the Russians do not abandon their own. Let them only try to bomb."
    2. +6
      22 September 2017 12: 37
      And would Russian troops guard this "Donetsk-Kryvoros Republic"? The people of the South-East of Ukraine are not in a hurry to free themselves from Bandera and are even surprised that only the Russians see Bandera from them, and they themselves do not see them. Not until the Ukrainians themselves South-East are fully satisfied with all this chaos, blood, deprivation and do not understand that the salvation of drowning people. The work of the drowning people themselves, and not Russia, should save them, Russia has nothing to do there.
      1. +2
        22 September 2017 16: 07
        Quote: Alexsin
        And would Russian troops guard this "Donetsk-Kryvoros Republic"? The people of the South-East of Ukraine are not in a hurry to free themselves from Bandera and are even surprised that only the Russians see Bandera from them, and they themselves do not see them. Not until the Ukrainians themselves South-East are fully satisfied with all this chaos, blood, deprivation and do not understand that the salvation of drowning people. The work of the drowning people themselves, and not Russia, should save them, Russia has nothing to do there.

        Exactly! They at the congress in Kharkov rejected Yanukovych and the creation of the South East! Dobkin and Kernes led this repainting, but the delegates from Crimea, returning, muddied the Crimean spring! She was later picked up in the Donbass and other regions of the south, but the betrayal of the elites did not lead to the desired result! Alas!
      2. +2
        22 September 2017 19: 24
        Quote: Alexsin
        salvation of drowning people. the work of the drowning people themselves, and not Russia, should save them, Russia there is nothing to do

        I agree. Why should we fight for them if THOUSAND men capable of holding weapons escaped from LDNR? And help? So Russia is already providing it in huge volume.
        1. +4
          23 September 2017 08: 15
          Do you know many who will trample against a checker with a bare heel? Yes . heroes were found, but they are now called up to the “girkin’s gang” on the branch above, moreover, authoritatively. When the Russian Federation blows the breeze to the winds, but does not render assistance in full, it is military assistance. Who after this will rush to fight? How many glorious men disappeared, fully confident that we could hold out a bit right now, and there the Russians, as in 2008, would come to the rescue and chase the bastards ... I'm not talking about Slavyansk. It seemed that everyone had done so that the Russian Federation entered the battle and ended everything with victory, but the Russian Federation framed it and had to leave ...
      3. +2
        23 September 2017 08: 10
        It’s enough to heal. It was back in the middle of the last century that the people could rise up against the state and overthrow it themselves, as the country's population. And now . in the world of special services, without serious and explicit support of powerful forces, nothing will come of it. As it happened in Kharkov. The people rose, leaders appeared, and these leaders came down under white streams into casemates. Yes, without any rights, but with torture or transfer to the National Guard and Terbat troops. And there is not only physical torture; about the "tornado" to remind you of how you fled?
        Now one special is worth thousands of ordinary people, so wherever people rebel for our interests, the participation of the Russian Federation is mandatory and as large as possible
        1. 0
          23 September 2017 15: 21
          Quote: znavel
          and Russians, as in 2008, will come to the rescue and chase reptiles.

          Quote: znavel
          It seemed that everyone had done so that the Russian Federation entered the battle and completed everything with a victory

          Beautiful, emotional words. To help someone? Do you offer Russians to shoot Ukrainians? By the way, Poroshenko is doing everything for Russia to send its troops. Well, at the expense of help, I wrote above.
          1. +2
            23 September 2017 18: 29
            Yes, I suggest Russians shoot dill. When you are informed that criminals were shot during resistance, you don’t lament: Ah, poor things, how so! After all, they are Russian, but they were shot! And Poroshenko does everything so that this does not happen upon the introduction of NATO or just the United States into the ruin. He does not bring to war in which he will lose
            1. 0
              25 September 2017 17: 17
              Quote: znavel
              Yes, I suggest Russians shoot dill

              How do you distinguish a Ukrainian from dill?
              Quote: znavel
              when resisting, criminals were shot

              Tens of thousands of criminals? There everything is worse, there is a CIVIL war. And with the introduction of the troops of ANY country, MILLIONS of Ukrainians will consider them occupiers. So what? Shoot them all? So Russia should continue to help LDNR; Ukrainians themselves must end this war.
              1. 0
                27 September 2017 01: 26
                Yes, everyone who dares after such a betrayal of common interests also needs to protect these reptiles, too, will have to be beaten. To get to the point that amerograms are licking assholes, hire all shit from around the world for murders and looting in the Donbass. After such a betrayal, death is a well-deserved punishment. It is unpleasant, but for the calm development of our world this is a necessity. In the end, not all mutations of consciousness are acceptable - skakly and their defenders are just one of these. And the Russian Federation should not provide assistance, as it does today, it is useless action. which also costs a lot. And you yourself will end this war correctly, so that no one from the EU and NATO remains on our lands, if you can or do not want to. And time is lost, people are lost, the consciousness of growing children is lost ...
                You can fool around like, well, come here, see how they roll you out or something like that, it won’t. We will come and punish. And myself
                1. 0
                  27 September 2017 16: 29
                  How emotional everything is. Well, let's go in order:
                  Quote: znavel
                  after such a betrayal of common interests

                  What are common interests? They ended in the 91st (by the way with a large participation of Ukraine). And now we need only worry about Russia's interests.
                  Quote: znavel
                  And the Russian Federation should not provide assistance, as it does today, it is useless action

                  Well, I meant the help of LDNR. Otherwise, several million more refugees.
                  Quote: znavel
                  We will come and punish.

                  laughing Come, we have a big Siberia at the same time and emotions will cool down wink
                  1. 0
                    29 September 2017 01: 29
                    Well, who is it that crossed out the common millennial interests of the Russian people in the whole space of his residence? Where did you please so much? You will be worried only about the interests of Russia - end with concern only about the interests of Muscovy ... already as a refugee from Siberia.
                    Does history teach so few people? We were concerned about the interests of the Soviet people and get out of Afghanistan, and the war came to Turkestan. Gone from Turkestan - the war came to the Caucasus. We saved the lives of our soldiers in the first case, and their younger brothers had to answer and die. We saved their lives - and their children or nephews had to answer from older brothers rescued from Afghanistan. Well, we haven’t gone further ... yet. And then after all, all kinds of people advise you to continue to snuggle up to the ground, reptilians
                    And I do not care about your Siberian frosts. In our Pomorie frosts are lower than a degree, but at the same time it’s much worse because of high humidity- my emotions will not cool down, but rather the opposite)))))
                    1. 0
                      30 September 2017 15: 40
                      Emotions, emotions. Finding non-existent meanings, the transition to personal insults. Let's figure it out:
                      Quote: znavel
                      leave Afghanistan, and the war has come to Turkestan. Left Turkestan, the war has come to the Caucasus

                      But do not remind why we came there? And they sent 18-year-old guys there.
                      I must say right away about the difference in the situation in Syria: professional soldiers, not conscripts, are fighting in Syria.
                      And so that the war does not come to us, Russia must be strong and put things in order at home.
                      And as for the military accession of Ukraine: are you sure that in 10-20-30 years another shouting about autonomy, independence, “Muscovites-invaders” will not start? So let them understand among themselves clever to them or to beautiful. And we need to make our country strong.
                      1. 0
                        2 October 2017 00: 11
                        I do not know where you, dear, have found emotions. I showed all the frailty of the behavior of the Khataskrainism in Russian. And I remind you, if you ask, we entered Afghanistan at the invitation of a friendly government, at the same time defending our national interests. What are these interests? Take a look at the statistics on drug abuse at least, it's like one of them. Why were 18-year-olds sent there? And what to send there? Which small children already have, which need to be raised? Tell me what they can in their 18s? I’ll answer a lot, especially if you study carefully. For the entire Soviet period, saboteurs and white bandits, as well as invaders, were beaten by conscripts.
                        And the oxbmoron that you want to stain in your comments: so that the war does not come to us, for some reason we must put things in order in Russia))))). Are you out of your mind? Do you think external war is an internal cause? Otchpsti and so-indecision and slurred leadership + inability to avenge defeat. But for the most part, this is an external reason. And we at one time, "Afghanistan-Turkestan-Caucasus" behaved like amoebas, November and crying.
                        And the military annexation of the ruins does not threaten any war, for the Ukrainians have a national peculiarity, to change clothes in a jump. In ten years. if you introduce these concepts, they will begin to call themselves Novorossiysk on most of the current ruin. Here are just a Galychan reserve can be given a special status, maximally separated from the rest of the region. Nothing new, all according to Machiavelli, clearly and focused.
                        For the finale of your comment, the huge fat minus is too carapace, and we know what happened to the carapace in the course of evolution- lose your significance and dominance.
        2. +3
          24 September 2017 01: 15
          Say that in Kharkov people have risen. And how many people have risen there. I know for sure that the majority of Kharkiv citizens sat home and waited for how things would end. That the people just in Kharkov did not rise. And those who rose from this people did not receive support. How many Natsik came to Kharkov? Yes, if thousands of Kharkiv citizens would take to the streets, then all these Maidan activists would flee from Kharkov promptly and no SBU could do anything. This is the whole difference between the events in the Crimea and Kharkov.
          1. +3
            24 September 2017 02: 41
            You are talking nonsense while in the coordinate system, where the masses are still doing something. The people could not rise when the security services began to clean the leaders. One special is equal to thousands of simple. And the people know about this and are very afraid to speak when the specialists begin to act. And the SBU not only arrested the leaders, but also gave them to the Natsik’s hand, torturing them, exchanging them for ransom. The peculiarity of Crimea is precisely the work of our military intelligence, which has already been there in sufficient quantity. They didn’t have time to go to Kharkov. And the people came out in sufficient numbers and many were already sure that they would win. But at that moment the leaders of the region and the city began to behave inappropriately. Apparently influenced by information about the activities of the SBU. Surely they were promised to bang them and brought a mass of evidence that they were hooked. The people saw it. And at that time a good summer was drawn, the sun was shining, beauty was around. And so the People's Republic of China resolved. There was no other friend at home against the sbushnoy.
  12. +4
    22 September 2017 08: 36
    Quote: Leader of the Redskins
    Syria was forgotten ...

    And in Syria, it’s not over yet! And it will burn for a long time!
    1. 0
      22 September 2017 11: 17
      In Syria, it’s impossible for it to end, a sluggish war is beneficial for Gazprom, so that the gas pipeline from Qatar to Europe does not begin to build, so few people can come to power after Assad in Syria.
      1. +1
        22 September 2017 12: 18
        In Syria, for many years, nothing serious can be built, there are so many opposing gangs supported by world players that the world will not come for a long time, with or without Assad.
        1. 0
          22 September 2017 14: 40
          it may well be, however, PMCs will have to keep a finger on the pulse .. that’s huge
  13. +6
    22 September 2017 08: 46

    It's time to get out of the store! Every day, month, year makes Ukraine increasingly aggressive enemy of Russia and Russians. No treaties eliminate this growing threat. After a certain number of years with the support of the West, Ukraine will begin aggression against the Russian Federation. Why give the enemy to strengthen? The problem can be solved only by raising the Russian flag over Kiev. Hundreds of victims now or thousands and tens of thousands tomorrow?
    1. +1
      22 September 2017 12: 16
      Hundreds of victims would have been in 2014, and today much more ... But everything will not happen in the "nth number of years", but in the near future, months
      1. +1
        23 September 2017 11: 18
        This had to be done at the very beginning. Not to export Yanukovych to Russia, but under the agreements “On Cooperation, etc.” signed with him send troops. Then there would be less losses and less civilian deaths ...
  14. Owl
    +2
    22 September 2017 08: 54
    “Warmate” is a very convenient tool for targeted attacks on important goals: on the military and political management link, bodyguards are trying to protect against terrorists and saboteurs, but they will not save them from a high-precision strike from airspace.
  15. +6
    22 September 2017 08: 55
    This is how liberal-oligarchic Nazism in both Russia and Ukraine kills the Russian spring and Russian people
  16. +16
    22 September 2017 09: 31
    Quote: Antianglosaks
    But it’s a pity that it wasn’t 1937. Over time, it becomes clear who, why and why the Great Stalin disposed of before the war. And it is their followers and like-minded people who are now cribbing the name of the Great Leader.

    ---------------------------
    I believe that Stalin was still a rather gentle ruler and did not touch much evil at all.
    1. +5
      22 September 2017 16: 15
      Quote: Altona
      Quote: Antianglosaks
      But it’s a pity that it wasn’t 1937. Over time, it becomes clear who, why and why the Great Stalin disposed of before the war. And it is their followers and like-minded people who are now cribbing the name of the Great Leader.

      ---------------------------
      I believe that Stalin was still a rather gentle ruler and did not touch much evil at all.

      Stalin gave them a chance, but Khrushchev forgave and even rehabilitated, making them innocent victims! soldier
  17. 0
    22 September 2017 09: 46
    Nothing will change.
  18. +2
    22 September 2017 09: 50
    250-300 tanks? Where is it interesting? With pedestals? Throw a reference. Several times I searched for info, how much they could pick up at the storage bases and recover abandoned APU, I really did not find the info
    1. +1
      22 September 2017 11: 19
      where ... the world is not without good people
    2. +1
      22 September 2017 16: 20
      Quote: Captain Nemo
      250-300 tanks? Where is it interesting? With pedestals? Throw a reference. Several times I searched for info, how much they could pick up at the storage bases and recover abandoned APU, I really did not find the info

      Watch the video from the Ilovaysky cauldron, there is a moment where there are five captured tanks and one BMP, and this is only in one place, and the equipment is absolutely operational, sit down and go into battle! good
      1. +1
        23 September 2017 00: 51
        OK. Five. And the rest 245?
        1. 0
          23 September 2017 08: 19
          Duck all over Ilove multiply. and even better, a summary from VSU how many troops were brought in in this direction. There, along the way, by agreement with the militia, they left the circle without equipment. It was impossible to damage it. otherwise they were threatened with destruction as those who continued resistance
  19. +4
    22 September 2017 10: 58
    Quote: netslave
    Do you really believe the word PS?

    ------------------------------
    And who buys PS berets for 25 thousand for a pair, sneakers for 7-12 thousand for a pair, camouflage for 34-70 thousand for a suit? Modern Russian AK-103 assault rifles? And moreover, their supply is constant, and not episodic. Is it otherwise only Ukrainian oligarchs? I don’t think so. RBC sometimes turn on, learn a lot of interesting things.
    1. 0
      22 September 2017 23: 27
      I clarify: RBC sometimes turn on, learn a lot of interesting nonsense!)))
      1. 0
        23 September 2017 08: 22
        Set aside, do not use desa. They are supplied specifically. We have dill tied up with dill since the reign in the USSR of Dnepropetrovsk.
  20. +1
    22 September 2017 11: 49
    Yes, there will be nothing, another magazine ... I decided to earn money on my writings ...
    * Poor * militiamen shoot from AK * 47 * and jamming * homemade jammers *))))
    1. 0
      23 September 2017 08: 24
      Why self-made, bought on alik. And they are poor only in terms of the fact that they have to fight back from superior forces, but there are still financial resources - they are in the industrial region. Here is the coal to the ruin under the guise of "Pennsylvania" sell. Giblets offal ...
  21. 0
    22 September 2017 12: 08
    ".... the failure of the Russian initiative to deploy a UN peacekeeping contingent on the line of contact between the LDNR and the territory of the republics occupied by Ukrainian forces." - The UN Security Council is engaged in the Peacekeeping Forces - it is in its competence and the Kremlin not to understand what was supposed to happen - at least naively! The Kremlin pushed the situation as it was with blue helmets in Kosovo, Serbia. The result is known to all. Therefore, everyone in the Kremlin understood perfectly that the United States and Ukraine would only oppose the demarcation functions of the UN Forces, and would require full control over the Donbass, including the state border with the Russian Federation. This is a drain of Donbass .... It is sad, but quite expected. And such people as Kedmi and Satanovsky and others spend a good job on Ross.TV by rubbing glasses, if someone does not understand where the wind is blowing from.
  22. +1
    22 September 2017 12: 34
    You just need to say that Russia will not allow the entry of UN troops into the Donetsk region, otherwise it will turn out even worse than in Kosovo.
    After all, you don’t have to be a visionary that along with the UN troops there will be thugs from the right sector. Why am I writing that
    “it will be worse than in Kosovo,” because hatred of eastern Ukraine can be seen in Poroshenko’s speeches and in his loyalty to
    outright Nazis.
  23. 0
    22 September 2017 12: 34
    A concrete action plan for the Donbass is surely available; in three years it can be developed. And until October we still have to live, and we'll see. The main Romanian refused to go to the villages, the Hungarians declared a "diplomatic war", the "European hyenas" are slowly restoring the armchairs, Mishiko is agitated. APU say that Pedro will run away, and will have to answer for war crimes - the army should not be used in the ATO and do not want to fight.
  24. +1
    22 September 2017 12: 51
    The accelerated preparation of the Donbass for the attack of the Armed Forces should include total mining in tank hazardous areas, with the obligatory use of powerful landmines. It is also necessary to limit saturation of the LDNR units with anti-tank means and counter-battery warfare. It is necessary to have everything in order to effectively “burn” the APU tanks and suppress their artillery. For civilians to build more reliable dugouts, all that can be hidden under the ground. Part of the children to study in Russia. They will start soon. It is necessary to prepare persistently and urgently. It will also be revenge for the victory in Syria. It’s the tactic of the United States to take revenge somewhere else. Perhaps the next step is Transnistria, the Caucasus, Central Asia. But the closest thing is a terrible blow to the Donbass. In extreme cases, our aircraft should be ready to destroy the attacking forces of the Armed Forces, those that will be able to break through. The threat is growing rapidly. But I would like our country to be able to force Ukraine to abandon this blow.
  25. +2
    22 September 2017 13: 06
    About how, Poroshenko is "illegitimate", and before that was legitimate?
  26. +2
    22 September 2017 13: 30
    Each regular article like this leads me to the thought: why does the site publish such materials ?? For those who are familiar with the military service and the requirements for the information that it presents, the author simply "throws in" data on the sides' weapons and the alleged combat options! ! Why? Scare the enemy-give options for attacking the other side? Even if the enemy is stupid, he will still understand that this is DESA!
    those who simply would like to express their opinion on the situation in the Donbass, such articles will not say anything, but only confuse! The topic is, of course, hot — you can earn certain dividends on it! Oh, what a military strategist the author! In my opinion no need to powder people’s brains
    their different amateurs powder from morning till night on TV channels! Thank God in our guide
    not everyone knows how to look for the bottom, but competently build a military and diplomatic strategy!
    when peaceful initiatives are exhausted, other more effective measures will be found !!!
    1. +2
      24 September 2017 02: 06
      Russia is now categorically unprofitable war in Ukraine. For the first time since 2014, Europe has now clearly sent the United States with its war against Russia. Sent with their gas. The war in Ukraine will allow the United States to restore complete order among vassals in Europe. We are completely isolated from Europe, energy trade will stop. That is the plan. This is the end of the current Russian economy. It will be different with Little Russia ... Therefore, if Russia nevertheless enters the war in Ukraine, it will be a total war. From Donbass to Odessa and Lviv with Tiraspol. I am sure. But this is only after rivers of Russian blood ... That's why Putin grabbed onto the UN like a straw. We do not have other cards there. Next - a total war against Nazism in Ukraine and Moldova ... full-scale war in Europe ...

      The main task in it is not so much to tear the APU in the Donbas with tank wedges, but to completely stop the possibilities for NATO strategic landing in the West of Ukraine and in Kiev. This is possible only due to preemption, surprise. This will be an unprecedented counter-Nazi operation to suppress the Russian genocide in Ukraine and Moldova. But for this there must happen an act of genocide, thousands of victims. Otherwise, Putin will not twitch. I am sure. The moral side of the issue here is the most important. That is, after all, Russia will begin its Nuremberg and the United States and the West will be officially declared guilty of organizing, sponsoring the genocide in Ukraine. After this back to the world, the road will definitely not be there. NATO will become our official enemy. A full iron curtain abruptly the first ... That's how serious it is. Because the only way Russia will have a strong moral position in the information war. Fact-based position, investigation-based.

      Therefore, the gopnic cries of the whooper of war play no role here. This is not a life-to-death battle for mistakes and mistakes, emotional cries and outrages for the leadership of Russia are criminal. They will not be!

      There will be no war. Rather, something around Korea and Syria. The Yankees will not let Ukraine ignite completely ...
  27. +3
    22 September 2017 14: 29
    Well, you can immediately see that the article was written by a person with very strong patriotic feelings, very biased

    > "The illegitimate president of the United States

    If he’s illegitimate, why is Russia negotiating with him and Putin holds meetings with him? Moreover, I’m wondering if Gunpowder is illegitimate according to such writers, then the better the Russian Federation came to power in the same way in the 93rd year?
    > The armored potential of the 1st Army Corps of the DNR NM, represented by 250 - 300 MBT T-72A / AV / B and T-64BV, is quite enough to break through the only powerful line of fortified areas of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, located in the area of ​​the Mariupol-Donetsk highway (n. . Granitnoe, Anadol, Donskoe, etc.), after which the "Mariupol boiler" will be formed

    Well, it's generally just an out, if the author believes the news about Donbass and their invincibility, he should take into account that 300 tanks will not be able to withstand millions of APU tanks according to Baturin’s reports, which every day reports about dozens and hundreds of tanks arriving at Donbas. If you look adequately without God help these corpses of NM, God forbid, just stand on the defensive, and if the ATGMs are still placed in the APU, then all these 300 tanks will burn like matches.
    1. 0
      22 September 2017 16: 11
      It is clear that West-17 was preparing for such a development of events. I believe with the struggle with the Americans. For, again, as in the thirties, did everyone think how to deal with VET? The Germans came up with: 150 mm guns. And aviation.
    2. +1
      22 September 2017 16: 31
      Many letters, but zero meaning! Conclusion, APU tanks do not burn! laughing
    3. +1
      22 September 2017 21: 03
      Tanks themselves do not go into battle, and the concept of "mobile defense" was worked out in the winter of 1941-1942 near Moscow, for which Mikhail Efimovich Katukov was promoted to major general. And then the mobile, mobile defense based on field fortifications brilliantly proved itself in the summer of 1943 in the Oryol-Kursk direction. The army of the DPR and LPR will not go on the offensive, its task is to “play from defense”. soldier Russia has already given us enough, and now we are scientists. Polish policeman kamikaze drones are bad, such is ersatz aviation. But even they will not be enough for a long time.
  28. 0
    22 September 2017 15: 43
    We'll wait and see, but apparently the denouement will come in the coming months.
    1. +2
      22 September 2017 20: 57
      That e so uncle, then e so! .. laughing laughing
      The main thing is that the “banderlogs” have time before the cold weather, otherwise somehow in November they will run a little chilly to run away in shorts to the Russian border, ringing as “independence”! laughing
  29. +1
    22 September 2017 15: 48
    Everything is well narrated, but one important point is missed: Russia may have a second / after Syria / front, under a lulling conversation about peacekeepers.
    1. 0
      22 September 2017 17: 00
      Russia is ready! Urraaa!
      1. +1
        23 September 2017 00: 48
        Give a mosquito? Will you go For Russia then?
  30. +2
    22 September 2017 16: 04
    It is clear to everyone that only the dumping of the Armed Forces of Ukraine into the Dnieper will stop the war. 43 year again?
  31. 0
    22 September 2017 16: 40
    Dombass, dear, if you only knew how much you are loved! There is no dearer word to the Russian heart than Dombass! We are waiting for you in Russia, our hero, our hero. And all the rest, go for the fuck!
    1. avt
      +3
      22 September 2017 19: 25
      Quote: Irkutsk philistine
      Dombass, dear, if you only knew how much you are loved!

      What to see in a goiter, the breath was stolen and we couldn’t spell the name correctly! wassat Had to throw a cap in the air? Well before you send
      Quote: Irkutsk philistine
      And all the rest, go for the fuck!
      you are our patriot in orgasm.
    2. 0
      23 September 2017 00: 48
      Finished? Or could not?
    3. +3
      23 September 2017 11: 18
      I'm sorry, but what is Dombass?
      1. avt
        0
        23 September 2017 18: 32
        Quote: seal78
        I'm sorry, but what is Dombass?

        request what Probably when House Bass yelling. bully
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  32. +2
    22 September 2017 20: 55
    Yes, there will be no armed peacekeepers in the Donbass! For Kiev, this threatens with the termination of a number of "gray schemes", including smuggling. I speak as a person living in Donetsk for the third year. For Kiev, any offensive is a fatal level of losses. Yes, and to hell that the Americans and others teach them tactics, when a battalion of Republican tanks moves against you and starts to e ... go forward - you pray that they are for us, and not vice versa! And then there the infantry followed by the BMP, on the flanks of the AGS they beat, behind the battery of howitzers and the Grad division, the 120th mortars hit! Lepota! Horseradish "banderlogs" will turn up to us! Although they will try. To hell with good use - they will be taken back in zinc ... soldier
    1. 0
      22 September 2017 22: 58
      Quote: Grach-25SM
      Yes, there will be no armed peacekeepers in the Donbass! For Kiev, this threatens with the termination of a number of "gray schemes", including smuggling. I speak as a person living in Donetsk for the third year. For Kiev, any offensive is a fatal level of losses. Yes, and to hell that the Americans and others teach them tactics, when a battalion of Republican tanks moves against you and starts to e ... go forward - you pray that they are for us, and not vice versa! And then there the infantry followed by the BMP, on the flanks of the AGS they beat, behind the battery of howitzers and the Grad division, the 120th mortars hit! Lepota! Horseradish "banderlogs" will turn up to us! Although they will try. To hell with good use - they will be taken back in zinc ... soldier

      That's right! Not by number, but by skill! And the tamper just cuts the loot and catches the streams, but when they are bought by the western masters, everything will end! And then to the Dnieper! angry
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    1. 0
      23 September 2017 08: 30
      People's republics appear where the central power is impotent. The Kremlin will show us obscenity, will also appear. In the meantime, there are none, an indicator of effectiveness at an acceptable level.
      And yes, it’s possible for you, since the brains do not have enough modern methods to use, and your hands itchy.
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  35. +1
    23 September 2017 10: 29
    My opinion on this discussion is that the Russian Federation’s economic problem doesn’t send troops. Any Navalny and others like shaking the power inside the country all depend on the maturity of our society, we will survive, we will not resist, we will lose the promises of the Leberast people, so we must first unite ourselves and then everything will be on our own historical places.
  36. +1
    23 September 2017 11: 14
    Quote: raw174
    Americans and other blue bloods will not go, of course, but the Baltic states easily ...

    Do not tell which of the Baltic fighters?)) Especially against LDNR, I'm not talking about Russia))
  37. +1
    23 September 2017 11: 15
    With good intelligence, having received sufficient evidence (interception of orders, etc.) in the event of international proceedings, the most optimal would be to deliver an outstripping blow to the APU clusters. And go on the offensive. But only with the maximum amount of evidence of an attack on LDN
    1. 0
      23 September 2017 15: 29
      No one will accept any evidence.
      1. 0
        23 September 2017 18: 37
        And here it’s kind of trying to talk about the evidence and the future, for the students of history and diplomatic battles. And the fact that someone will not accept the evidence now is a completely insignificant fact. We are a nuclear power; nobody is attacking the DPRK. at least she’s behaving provocatively, and only after our souls they’ll just wipe themselves out with fact
  38. 0
    23 September 2017 14: 36
    In the event of intensification of hostilities in the Donbass, one solution to the problem is the recognition of the people's republics by the Government of Russia. And this is Kavkaz-08.08.08, with all that it implies.
    The best solution is a warning that this will be so, in the event of intensification of hostilities by the maydanutyh.
  39. +3
    23 September 2017 16: 43
    It is a pity that there are no such people as I. Stalin, G. Zhukov and others in the leadership of the current government. Only political stupidity, if not betrayal, can be called the actions of the Kremlin schukolov who forbade Donbass and Lugansk in the 14th to free their territories.
  40. 0
    23 September 2017 18: 42
    And, finally, it begins to come to the conclusion that the Minsk format is not a solution to the problem, but one of the tools of the genocide of the Russian people ... And now we should remember those who advised Putin to introduce him and send them to prison bunkers, those who prevented in 2014 send troops of the Russian Federation to Donbass and take Donbass together with Crimea to the Russian Federation, preventing the massacre of the Russian population in the Donbass ...
  41. 0
    23 September 2017 20: 20
    Quote: Krabik
    Radiation increases the breakdown of DNA and accelerates evolution.

    After a nuclear war, humanity will begin to develop faster, getting rid of excess ballast;)

    The same film "terminator", literally after the war, a time machine appeared.

    So you can always find something good even in a major nuclear conflict ...

    In the "Terminator" the movement in time was invented not after, but during the war.
  42. +1
    23 September 2017 20: 43
    This peacemaking will end badly for the republics and Russia. It's time to decide, stop playing giveaways! What about external contractors, what are internal agents and servants of the State Department.
    And no peacekeepers!
  43. 0
    24 September 2017 01: 35
    As for the failure of the Russian initiative, as the author characterizes, at the UN. And why did the author decide that introducing this initiative, Russia was supposed to be successful. The position of Ukraine and the United States on this issue was clear. The fact that Putin’s initiative would not be accepted was clear from the start. So the purpose of the proposal was different. I believe that the goal was to attempt to split between Ukraine and the United States on the one hand and Germany and France on the other. To show that the Poroshenko regime is not going to implement the Minsk agreements and he does not care about the opinion of Germany and France on the implementation of paragraph one. But the question is, what is next. Today there is one big dead end. There really is no military solution to the problem. The only alternative is direct negotiations between the Poroshenko regime and the leadership of the DPR and LPR. Kiev does not go for it and is not even going to. Therefore, the current situation will continue indefinitely.
  44. 0
    24 September 2017 10: 15
    With the introduction of the peacekeeper, everything was clear at once - nothing will work. Well, the fact that the United States wants to fight with Russia until the last Ukrainian soldier is a no brainer. Therefore, no swarm will come of this ...!
  45. +1
    24 September 2017 10: 39
    Quote: NEXUS
    the army of novorossov reached the walls of Kiev

    The question is not whether the army of Novorosov will be able to get to Kiev or not, the question is how will this all happen now?
    The brains of most of Ukraine in three years have changed so much that the advance of the novoros army towards Kiev will cause an even greater surge in civil strife with the involvement of civilians in these actions. And Russia will be even more accused of aggression and occupation, only Kiev will have an extra argument already in its innocence.
  46. +2
    24 September 2017 10: 44
    Quote: andrewkor
    Oh, I feel that a mess in the Donbass is outlining, if only “Mariupol2014” did not happen!

    It is high time to destroy Bandera and their patrons with Fascistton
  47. +2
    24 September 2017 15: 48
    It’s already high time we finished with this state education created and cherished by misunderstanding (Lenin’s legacy), dividing it into all those who are thirsty (there will be less screaming), we will still get the majority, otherwise this abscess will stink to gangrene. whether our taxis have the courage, or rather independence, to make a tough, but necessary decision, put an end to it quickly once and for all, or will we smear the snot and express regrets, and at the same time give out the heroes of the defenders to the hell of these nonhumans. Or so it will be our bisesmafia smearing blood from a broken nose, holding on to a kick beaten back after they are put out the door, climb through the window in the hope of at least snatching something, while continuing to humiliate and indistinctly whine. Something tells me something about the fact that our corrupt liberalism will not do this, they are too dependent on the opinion of the overseas host, to whom they invest all the money in attempts to get leniency and favor for themselves and their children, they sell too much in the country, depriving her of the strength and possibilities of strengthening, not seeing and not connecting her future with her. The Crimea accidentally fell off, fell into his own hands, so they are still with frightened faces, shaking hands, what have we done, Uncle Sam is dissatisfied .And as the Zaokensky president, the powers hostile to us, they chose what kind of bacchanalia was happening on all media and on top, how they all jumped up and were happy for the new owner, we talk less about our elections than about the amer, we’ve gotten sick.
  48. 0
    24 September 2017 17: 52
    This will be what Vanga said, for which they gave money to push Russia into the war
  49. 0
    24 September 2017 18: 32
    how sideways Americans climb here - in Minsk agreements they are not participants
    1. 0
      25 September 2017 04: 12
      Where they want to go there and climb, it's the Americans who forbid them.
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  51. 0
    24 September 2017 23: 58
    with cute faces they talk about some kind of Minsk agreements, but now Russia has a clear and considerable enemy, besides all the others, with an extended border and a modern army. We got a war with brothers who hate us and blame us for all their troubles. It will be interesting for a long time ..should we use our brains about the negotiation process, or will they finally make a normal decision, although time has passed, as they say, it’s a pity for the people. And it’s disgusting, as if the gopniks were smoking bad, and now they’re hiding behind the fence, we say it has nothing to do with it, I want to talk obscenities
  52. 0
    25 September 2017 03: 57
    Russia must help the LDPR in the liberation of the occupied territories by the Armed Forces of Ukraine!! And period! Everything is ok
  53. 0
    25 September 2017 04: 07
    It is necessary to restore the territorial integrity of the LDPR! Everything else is BLAH BLAH BLAH.
  54. 0
    25 September 2017 04: 18
    Quote: Black Sniper
    Russia must help the LDPR in the liberation of the occupied territories by the Armed Forces of Ukraine!! And period! Everything is ok

    Talent BLAH BLAH BLAH!!!
  55. 0
    26 September 2017 00: 41
    Quote: andrewkor
    "Mariupol2014"!


    Hmm... But "Mariupol 2017" will remove one more problem from the Ukrainian authorities: There is no controlled port - there is no problem with the passage of large-capacity ships through the Crimean bridge.
  56. 0
    26 September 2017 16: 57
    Quote: Lohmatyi_imperator
    the army of novorossov reached the walls of Kiev
    The question is not whether the army of Novorosov will be able to get to Kiev or not, the question is how will this all happen now?
    The brains of most of Ukraine in three years have changed so much that the advance of the novoros army towards Kiev will cause an even greater surge in civil strife with the involvement of civilians in these actions. And Russia will be even more accused of aggression and occupation, only Kiev will have an extra argument already in its innocence.

    Their brains changed not in three years, but in thirty. Already in the late 80s, many there shouted that it was enough to feed the Muscovites, it was time to separate.
  57. DPN
    +1
    27 September 2017 09: 54
    this is called missed, it was necessary to beat the reptile on the rise of popular anger, and now the activists have been imprisoned, there is no one to raise the people in Ukraine, the inert mass of Ukrainians is unlikely to help. The LDPR will be much harder than in 15. Previously, the republics could have taken Kyiv; now, God willing, they survive.

"Right Sector" (banned in Russia), "Ukrainian Insurgent Army" (UPA) (banned in Russia), ISIS (banned in Russia), "Jabhat Fatah al-Sham" formerly "Jabhat al-Nusra" (banned in Russia) , Taliban (banned in Russia), Al-Qaeda (banned in Russia), Anti-Corruption Foundation (banned in Russia), Navalny Headquarters (banned in Russia), Facebook (banned in Russia), Instagram (banned in Russia), Meta (banned in Russia), Misanthropic Division (banned in Russia), Azov (banned in Russia), Muslim Brotherhood (banned in Russia), Aum Shinrikyo (banned in Russia), AUE (banned in Russia), UNA-UNSO (banned in Russia), Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar People (banned in Russia), Legion “Freedom of Russia” (armed formation, recognized as terrorist in the Russian Federation and banned)

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