Turkish news agency spoke about the capabilities of the C-400 system on the example of US aircraft

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The Anatolian Agency of Turkey has published in the Infographics section information on the capabilities of the Russian C-400 system to hit air targets using the example of US and NATO military aircraft.

The agency posted a link to the relevant material on its page on Thursday in Twitter.





First of all, the agency indicates that the systems are capable of targeting a potential enemy at a distance of 600 km, and hitting a target at a distance of 400 km. At the same time, the rocket is capable of developing speed in 4,8 km / s. The agency also lists aircraft and missiles that C-400 can destroy. These include the strategic bombers B-52 Stratofortress and B-1 Lancer, the E-3 Sentry long-range radar detection aircraft, the F-15 Eagle, F-16 Fighting Falcon, F-22 Raptor fighters, and Tomahaw type cruise missiles, Tomahaw-type cruise missiles, and the Tomahaw type cruise missiles, and the Tomahaw fighter planes, and the cruise missiles, and the manners, and the Tomahaw fighter planes, and the Tomahaw combat aircraft. rockets.

Meanwhile, in social networks, users began to criticize the Anatolian Agency and accuse it of advertising the Russian system.

News agency hints that Turkey acquires S-400 in order to bring down NATO planes
- says one of the commentators of the publication.

Turkish state agency Anadolu boasts of buying S-400 from Russia, showing the effectiveness of systems against the military aviation NATO and the USA
- Turkish journalist Abdullah Bozkurt writes on Twitter.

On September 12, Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan announced that Ankara signed an agreement with Moscow on the acquisition of C-400 systems, and the deposit has already been made. Vladimir Kozhin, an assistant to the President of the Russian Federation on military-technical cooperation, confirmed in an interview with TASS that Russia and Turkey had signed a contract, and he was preparing for execution.
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  1. +14
    21 September 2017 20: 40
    Hurry to try them in action
    1. +36
      21 September 2017 20: 43
      On NATO aircraft.
      1. +56
        21 September 2017 20: 58
        In vain the Yankees tried to bang the Turkish Sultan. You see what a life-giving coup with people does fellow
        1. +7
          22 September 2017 06: 57
          Quote: Zibelew
          You see what a life-giving coup with people does

          Well, not with everyone. We recall a rag Yanukovych and compare ...
      2. +26
        21 September 2017 21: 01
        The predecessors themselves are well in Vietnam, Egypt, etc. showed up. So do not hesitate.
        I think that the Turks need to explain the need for the acquisition of medium and short-range air defense systems to build a complete air defense system. It would be great if in the end the Turks left NATO. Erdogan, after the assassination attempt, does not exactly trust them, therefore it is necessary to use this to the fullest. hi
        1. +7
          21 September 2017 21: 05
          Sultan s400 will not be able to use against our VKS ... It will be something like this.
          1. +13
            21 September 2017 21: 55
            Quote: Zibelew
            Sultan s400 will not be able to use against our VKS ... It will be something like this.

            Here you can see right away - there is nothing to say, what is the connection between a failed start and the inability to hit the target?
            PS: specially for you - there is a test funnel in the spear, an unguided missile from c300 just fell there, don’t bring God to fall where it is not necessary, even without a warhead, it will not seem enough.
            1. +6
              21 September 2017 22: 21
              If you look at the performance characteristics, then there the minimum height of application is measured in meters; therefore, it can be used as the OTRK. Especially naval complexes, they can also hit surface ships. hi
              1. +1
                22 September 2017 07: 10
                Quote: Locksmith
                PS: especially for you - in spear Yes

                Where is it? At the back desk, where did you sit in your pants instead of learning geography?
                Kapustin Yar, try at your leisure to choose the abbreviations for the name of this village.

                in a spear wassat lol
                1. +2
                  22 September 2017 12: 33
                  Quote: Vladimir16
                  Where is it? At the back desk, where did you sit in your pants instead of learning geography?

                  VUS119, 81-83, they were tracking the complex for Syria, and I, like sheep, didn’t pass, it’s not worth it to be familiar.
                  PS: and a spear is just a PZhnikov jargon, no one in their right mind would begin to call the location of a landfill out loud just like that.
          2. +2
            22 September 2017 00: 41
            Where did the people get their mobile phones?
          3. +3
            22 September 2017 06: 13
            Why the military need cell phones, and even with cameras in the service? So that then d .......... MI expose to the whole world !!!!!! Only for this, probably, and even a bunch of other additional options to boot.
            1. 0
              22 September 2017 07: 15
              Quote: yuliatreb
              Why did the military use cell phones ...

              Then, like everyone else, call.
              Any piece of iron can break. There are no such systems that do not fail.
              What you need to be a senile, so that on the basis of one unsuccessful launch of a rocket say "So that then d .......... MI expose to the whole world !!!!!! "
              Judging by the nickname, the woman wrote. Explains a lot.
          4. 0
            22 September 2017 15: 39
            The warhead did not work, everything is fine.
          5. 0
            22 September 2017 16: 44
            naive Chukchi guy ...
        2. +2
          22 September 2017 00: 20
          they have already developed a small and medium air defense system, right now they are testing it in a series of hisar-a and hisar-o. they need s400 technologies to develop hisar-u.
      3. 0
        22 September 2017 00: 22
        Do you personally want to fight? Or are you planning to watch this show on channel 1?
    2. +4
      22 September 2017 00: 15
      Quote: Tolstoevsky
      Hurry to try them in action

      They have already tested on a Russian plane.
      1. +11
        22 September 2017 00: 26
        Quote: Snowball
        Quote: Tolstoevsky
        Hurry to try them in action

        They have already tested on a Russian plane.

        fool Who tested it and when? tongue Turkish F-16 does not offer our SU-24.
        1. 0
          22 September 2017 16: 53
          why not offer ???? can offer several Russian-Turkish wars, claims to our territories, help and supplies to the militant in s. Caucasus and Russian contempt by the vast majority of the Turkish population ????? this is not enough for you ?????????
          1. +7
            23 September 2017 07: 36
            Quote: aws4
            why not offer ???? can offer several Russian-Turkish wars, claims to our territories, help and supplies to the militant in s. Caucasus and Russian contempt by the vast majority of the Turkish population ????? this is not enough for you ?????????

            And you read first what it is about, and then you will throw slogans. hi
            1. 0
              23 September 2017 12: 59
              and I read it do not worry
      2. +6
        22 September 2017 02: 02
        Again the mouse flag in the bad answer. Well, what a misfortune it is.
        1. 0
          22 September 2017 07: 59
          Ukrainians hope to see a holy visa-free visa, but just in case, they teach Hebrew and look for Jewish relatives ...
        2. 0
          22 September 2017 16: 55
          better mouse flag than mouse brain how are you
      3. +1
        22 September 2017 16: 50
        they don’t understand and don’t understand until the Turks knock our plane with this complex and maybe a dozen ... they already have Jews and Armenians and many who still blow in their ears that the Turks shouldn’t be given weapons and they’re like in a saying until thunder strikes ...
      4. 0
        24 September 2017 14: 22
        Quote: Snowball
        Quote: Tolstoevsky
        Hurry to try them in action

        They have already tested on a Russian plane.

        Your desire is understandable, wishful thinking for a truly accomplished fact. Congratulations, intellectually you have caught up with the fabulous DLB from a villa that is not stale.
        1. 0
          24 September 2017 19: 24
          Quote: MKPU-115
          Quote: Snowball
          Quote: Tolstoevsky
          Hurry to try them in action

          They have already tested on a Russian plane.

          Your desire is understandable, wishful thinking for a truly accomplished fact. Congratulations, intellectually you have caught up with the fabulous DLB from a villa that is not stale.

          Apparently, in the Soviet past, the boys in the yard beat him a lot, so he took out the complex of the omitted from childhood. To bark from the gateway, from the safe is far away - it is precisely such daredevils.
    3. Maz
      0
      22 September 2017 01: 19
      Oh Turks, oh well done !!!
    4. +1
      22 September 2017 09: 17
      Will we destroy the whole world of violence? To the ground - and then? What then? Why do we need a full-scale war in the Middle East using modern weapons? Russia is not so far that it would not affect us ... So, in my opinion, it would be better if Erdogan only scared his neighbors ...
    5. 0
      22 September 2017 16: 43
      don’t worry, they’ll try it only on Russian planes ... nothing Ivanov teaches
  2. +4
    21 September 2017 20: 43
    in reality, even the plywood glider has not yet been shot down, and PR for the whole world
    1. +25
      21 September 2017 20: 45
      Well, Messer is definitely sinking ..... wassat
    2. +45
      21 September 2017 20: 47
      Your vaunted F-35 shot down a plywood glider in reality?
      And PR for the whole world.
      And there are a million such examples.
      If a missile with a nuclear warhead has never been used in reality, do you doubt its effectiveness?
      1. 0
        21 September 2017 20: 50
        Quote: _Jack_
        Your vaunted F-35 shot down a plywood glider in reality?

        he has other targets, ground-based and he destroys them well, in Syria and Iraq
        1. +32
          21 September 2017 20: 52
          as far as I understand the F-35 is not a ground attack aircraft to claim that "it has other targets, ground-based," but a fighter-bomber, so there are great doubts about it as a fighter and in practice they’re just not verified, which doesn’t interfere with PR ” to the whole world "
          1. +17
            21 September 2017 21: 11
            And like a bomber, not really. Very small amount of internal bomb bay. Hang out and the whole stealth disappears. Nevertheless, the speed for the fighter in the 2M area cannot be called good, but rather satisfactory (by three points). Well, the stealth is probably already "probed". It is they who say the EPR in cases of fighter rapprochement head-on-head, but this does not happen. Therefore, it is important to know the EPR from different angles. hi
            1. +13
              21 September 2017 21: 43
              Dauren, infa slipped that the Syrian pilots took the f-35 to our radars with a specialist.
              1. +11
                21 September 2017 22: 30
                Good evening, it’s clear that they are working out. Including the Far East (Japan accepted) and Europe (they seem to have flown to the Baltic states). In fact, the radars of the meter range, ground-based, should take them without problems. American experts themselves noted this. That radar of the Sky family, and these are new, should take F-22s and 35s (the Iranians purchased). They are transportable. In fact, after the war, the West abandoned the meter range radars (they did not calculate the altitude well), and in the USSR, in Nizhny Novgorod, the Design Bureau continued to work on this matter. Two emitters began to put steel, etc. .. We had a P-12, then we drove a P-18, but with it I was already a demobil. hi
              2. +9
                21 September 2017 23: 09
                Similarly, my friend, they considered all the parameters as a primer ...
        2. +10
          21 September 2017 20: 59
          Quote: Messer
          he has other targets, ground-based and he destroys them well, in Syria and Iraq

          This is not the first article on this topic, in the sense of Turkey’s purchase of the C 400, but here the message is very clearly visible:
          The agency also lists aircraft and missiles that the S-400 can destroy. These include strategic bombers B-52 Stratofortress and B-1 Lancer, early warning radar E-3 Sentry, F-15 Eagle, F-16 Fighting Falcon, F-22 Raptor, as well as Tomahawk and ballistic missiles rockets.
          I want to say that Erdogan suggests the likelihood of someone from whom Turkey may have to defend. It looks like Turkey is becoming the same member of NATO as the EU. By the way, Israel from the list above has everything or almost everything.
          1. 0
            21 September 2017 21: 02
            we have a lot of things
            1. +19
              21 September 2017 21: 39
              Not a fact that remains.
            2. +12
              21 September 2017 21: 41
              Well, tell me how many and what destroyed the F-35 in Syria and Iraq, in those countries where they have never been.
            3. +23
              21 September 2017 21: 45
              Quote: Messer
              we have a lot of things

              And the "Death Star," pah, that is, David? belay
              1. +7
                22 September 2017 03: 18
                Quote: sabakina
                Quote: Messer
                we have a lot of things

                And the "Death Star," pah, that is, David? belay

                ett gear
            4. +4
              21 September 2017 22: 03
              Already smaller, you have circumcised after birthhi
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                1. +14
                  21 September 2017 22: 28
                  Quote: Messer
                  we have and circumcised more, ask aunt
                  Yet...

                  One at all?
              2. +9
                21 September 2017 22: 38
                Quote: dr.star75
                Already smaller, you have circumcised after birthhi

                Particularly patriotic, three times.
            5. +8
              21 September 2017 22: 34
              Quote: Messer
              we have a lot of things

              There’s a lot of stink that you have there.
            6. +10
              21 September 2017 22: 53
              we have a lot of things

              Yes, and mostly on free American money. What would you have without them? Almost nothing, and Israel would not have existed for a long time.
            7. +11
              21 September 2017 23: 18
              Quote: Messer
              we have a lot of things

              There is a lot of things, but with a little mind, God clearly deprived you. Yes Wouldn’t it be dishonored, or shame on your country? fool
            8. Maz
              +2
              22 September 2017 01: 21
              Stealing 2000 years or 5758? Kaneshno there are many things
              1. 0
                22 September 2017 08: 02
                or maybe just go to work for you, and not blame the Jews?
                here you personally how much and what the Jews stole?
        3. +6
          21 September 2017 21: 22
          Quote: Messer
          he has other ground targets

          Who can not answer?
        4. +4
          21 September 2017 22: 37
          Quote: Messer
          Quote: _Jack_
          Your vaunted F-35 shot down a plywood glider in reality?

          he has other targets, ground-based and he destroys them well, in Syria and Iraq

          Is this when in Syria? Americans brought everything more or less modern, as soon as our S-400 and S-300 appeared there. The French, having pissed away, took away their only Charles de Gaulle. What would it be from?
        5. +7
          21 September 2017 23: 21
          and you try to shoot at our
          Quote: Messer
          and you try to shoot at our

          and you try to shoot at ours, at the same time and check how the ejection seats work lol
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      2. 0
        21 September 2017 20: 53
        Quote: _Jack_
        If a missile with a nuclear warhead has never been used in reality, do you doubt its effectiveness?

        Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Stupid not to know.
        1. +38
          21 September 2017 20: 54
          it's silly not to know that there were nuclear bombs
      3. +5
        21 September 2017 22: 40
        Quote: _Jack_
        ...
        If a missile with a nuclear warhead has never been used in reality, do you doubt its effectiveness?

        And here you are wrong. The USSR is the only country in the world that launched a real rocket with a real nuclear charge, which worked where necessary at the test site. Search the web.
        1. +1
          21 September 2017 22: 55
          I mean the use in real combat conditions, but at the training ground these are exercises
        2. +2
          21 September 2017 23: 27
          Yes, it was, the P-1956 flew in 5 from Kapyar to Karakum for 1200 km with its head, but I don’t remember how many kT. In Chertok’s memoirs there is about it.
    3. +35
      21 September 2017 20: 53
      Quote: Messer
      in reality, even the plywood glider has not yet been shot down, and PR for the whole world

      laughing You look! Ours also learned to PR. So much so that the Jews are envious. wink
      1. +1
        21 September 2017 21: 07
        This is the only thing ours learned.
        1. +26
          21 September 2017 21: 14
          Quote: kotuk_ha_oxote
          This is the only thing ours learned.

          I don’t know about yours, but our, Russian, industrialists, military and designers have learned a lot. You just don’t want to notice it. You are rooting for it. smile
          1. 0
            22 September 2017 06: 07
            They can’t do anything, because instead of working on a public debt, the powers also talk about the great past.
        2. +5
          21 September 2017 22: 06
          Come on, we are launching people into space, and no one else can.
      2. +3
        21 September 2017 21: 10
        Quote: Monos
        You look! Ours also learned to PR. So much so that the Jews are envious. wink

        They have a lot of optionsє wink The State Department repulsed their hands to build their planes feel
      3. +10
        21 September 2017 21: 19
        Quote: Monos
        also learned to PR. So much so that the Jews are envious.

        Yes, this is, as usual, the "runners" while away the time, citizenship "beat off." fellow laughing They seem to have filters installed on the words: "Turkey", "Syria", "Iran", "DPRK" (??? belay ), Hezbollah, F-35, etc. .... So they are funny, funny, and this despite the fact that they have a sense of humor - zero. wassat
      4. +2
        21 September 2017 21: 26
        Quote: Monos
        You look! Ours also learned to PR. So much so that the Jews are envious.


        You’ll be careful with gestures - I’m again imposed another fine for a historical homeland ...
        1. +1
          21 September 2017 21: 41
          Who is so nasty?
          And for what such historical?
      5. +8
        21 September 2017 21: 33
        Quote: Monos
        You look! Ours also learned to PR. So much so that the Jews are envious.

        It is only for our PR, I think, that the REAL capabilities are of this complex, and not the Death Star, inflated to the size, as happens with the same mattresses in relation to even their F-35. hi
        1. +9
          21 September 2017 21: 43
          Quote: NEXUS
          Only for our PR, I think, REAL opportunities are worth this complex

          hi
          I am sure. Oh, something, but we know how to do air defense systems. He himself was convinced more than once on Emba.
      6. +2
        21 September 2017 21: 49
        Quote: Monos
        So much so that the Jews are envious.

        Yes, yes, as in that joke: Rabinovich, why do you read the anti-Semitic press, but the Jewish one? laughing
    4. win
      +9
      21 September 2017 20: 58
      plywood glider not shot down


      A plywood and you can’t get it!
      The most invisible bomber is the plywood maize
    5. +16
      21 September 2017 21: 01
      Quote: Messer
      in reality, even the plywood glider has not yet been shot down, and PR for the whole world

      F 35 did not participate in air battles, but everyone “pissed” with delight, including Israelis. hi
      1. 0
        21 September 2017 21: 08
        Quote: kapitan92
        F 35 did not participate in air battles, but everyone “pissed” with delight, including Israelis.

        who does he have to participate with, he has no competitors today
        1. +13
          21 September 2017 21: 20
          Seriously ? no? well good luck think so
        2. +17
          21 September 2017 21: 20
          Quote: Messer
          who does he have to participate with, he has no competitors today

          In the sense that he is not a competitor to anyone?
        3. +3
          21 September 2017 21: 21
          Quote: Messer
          Quote: kapitan92
          F 35 did not participate in air battles, but everyone “pissed” with delight, including Israelis.

          who does he have to participate with, he has no competitors today

          And the MiG-21 drive?
          Messer, your avatar is just hard laughing
          1. +11
            21 September 2017 21: 51
            Ilya Butenko, what a Jew, and such an avatar. Well this is not a warrior wow ....
            1. +2
              21 September 2017 22: 10
              Quote: sabakina
              Well this is not a warrior wow ....
              On clav scribble uh ...? Or just a scribbler?
            2. 0
              22 September 2017 07: 44
              Quote: sabakina
              Ilya Butenko, what a Jew, and such an avatar. Well this is not a warrior wow ....

              And the warriors wow what?
        4. +10
          21 September 2017 21: 22
          Well, this is also not a fact! It’s small there, then it’s being finalized, then the pilot’s neck will “come off” during ejection, then the stealth is worthless, then the price ... will increase by the nth number of times! The issue is debatable, there were no real applications in a real war!
          who does he have to participate with, he has no competitors today
        5. +11
          21 September 2017 21: 36
          Quote: Messer
          who does he have to participate with, he has no competitors today

          Hmm ... what can I say, as they say, stupidity is contagious. If you use it as an attack aircraft, for example, or a bomber, then apparently in the world there is absolutely no one or the other, relying on your stupid post.
          Well, if as a fighter, then apparently yes, there are no competitors at all. wassat
          1. +8
            21 September 2017 22: 05
            Quote: NEXUS
            If you use it as an attack aircraft, for example, or a bomber, then apparently in the world there is absolutely no one

            Class F / B / A (Fighting, Bomber, Attacks) Has only one Bird - Duckling hi
        6. +3
          21 September 2017 21: 42
          And what's the point of buying a fancy Merce if there are no roads for him?
        7. +5
          21 September 2017 22: 33
          Quote: Messer
          he has other targets, ground-based and he destroys them well, in Syria and Iraq


          Quote: Messer
          who does he have to participate with, he has no competitors today

          Schmidt completely lied ...
        8. +2
          21 September 2017 22: 57
          who does he have to participate with, he has no competitors today

          By your logic, you can say about the S-400 that it has no competitors for today
        9. +1
          22 September 2017 08: 02
          Quote: Messer
          who does he have to participate with, he has no competitors today

          laughing wassat fool it means in your fi15 when su22 is shot down it is equivalent, competitive aircraft ?? ... would say by Lavrov .... well, in general, you understand me ....
        10. 0
          22 September 2017 12: 36
          Of course, you can think so, but for persuasiveness, following your logic, he should have fought.
          Moreover, starting with I-16.
          Then it will be seen. are there rivals to him or not.
          And then suddenly it turns out that he does not pull on the first generation of jet fighters ...
          So, one advertisement .....
          1. 0
            22 September 2017 12: 37
            I wrote it to Messer, if that
    6. +10
      21 September 2017 21: 03
      Quote: Messer
      in reality, even the plywood glider has not yet been shot down, and PR for the whole world

      And cheat? A boar (such a training target), it is much more difficult to fill up than a pot-bellied Penguin, but they are always felled. Once every six months, the so-called control goals pass, which on the approach drown everyone, but we see and say: "Puff bang, you are killed." It doesn’t matter that the S-300 and S-400 have never worked for real goals, it is important !!! As the pans say: "Dumb bad" hi
    7. +11
      21 September 2017 21: 07
      Quote: Messer
      in reality, even the plywood glider has not yet been shot down, and PR for the whole world

      Well take a chance laughing try at least one bomb to drop at Hmeymim, then there will be a conversation, and now there’s an empty transfusion from empty to empty. hi
      1. 0
        21 September 2017 21: 15
        if you’re behaving badly in our backyard, we can drop it in response. don't even doubt wassat
        1. +16
          21 September 2017 21: 21
          Quote: Messer
          we can drop it in response. don't even doubt

          Here at the same time and bite S-400, do not even hesitate. wassat
          1. +7
            21 September 2017 21: 55
            Vova, what if we stop eating with them for a vacation? In my opinion, it will be steeper than Shakespeare's "Hamlet" ....
        2. +9
          21 September 2017 21: 28
          Quote: Messer
          if you’re behaving badly in our backyard, we can drop it in response. don't even doubt


          Baby, and it doesn’t seem to YOU ​​that YOUR place is at ...

          I hope everyone understood me?
        3. +7
          21 September 2017 21: 39
          Quote: Messer
          you will behave badly in our backyard

          Thoth, when the Triumphs first appeared in Syria, your pilots sat quietly at their airfields and did not cower.
          And what will happen if we behave badly? M Can I go from this place in more detail?
          1. +8
            21 September 2017 21: 45
            Quote: NEXUS
            And what will happen if we behave badly? M

            Then Citizen Messer will go drop the bomb on Hmeimim. laughing Hi Andrew! drinks hi Fools are not only with us. lol
            1. +2
              21 September 2017 22: 18
              Quote: vovanpain
              Fools are not only with us

              But interestingly, you do not happen to know how “hooray” will sound in their language? Damn after your post, introduced the Israeli soldiers in the attack with a cry of cheers, caught myself thinking that it was our soldiers turned out.
              1. +6
                21 September 2017 22: 29
                Quote: Jura
                But interestingly, you do not happen to know how “hooray” will sound in their language?

                I don’t know my colleague, but in my opinion there’s a quarter of our former people. As Vysotsky sang, that’s how it works
                Quote: Jura
                I caught myself thinking that these were our soldiers.

                hi
          2. +1
            21 September 2017 21: 49
            Quote: NEXUS
            Thoth, when the Triumphs first appeared in Syria, your pilots sat quietly at their airfields and did not cower.

            once every two weeks, our Air Force bombed something in Syria, then a factory, then a column with weapons, well, yours, as usual, stand in Triumph, such proud ones, red faces))
            1. +9
              21 September 2017 21: 59
              Quote: Messer
              once every two weeks, our Air Force bombed something in Syria, then a plant, or a column with weapons, well, yours are standing there as usual in Triumph, proud such, red faces

              Well, bomb wassat I repeat especially for you, take a chance on a friend to bomb Khmeimim or Tartus, check the system. Let’s see then whose face turns red Yes Blah blah blah solid, pah. laughing
            2. 0
              21 September 2017 22: 09
              This is to raise your ego
            3. +6
              21 September 2017 22: 12
              Quote: Messer
              once every two weeks, our Air Force bombed something in Syria, then a plant, then a column with weapons, well, yours are standing there as usual in Triumph, proud of them,funny faces))

            4. +5
              21 September 2017 22: 33
              Quote: Messer
              , well, yours, as usual, stand in Triumph, proud ones such, red faces))

              fool Where are they, dear? laughing In Hmeimim and Tartus? And where can your air force bomb bomb find out? Hmeimim and Tartus, or within a radius of 400 km from these bases?
              Or do you have infa that somewhere in Syria our S-400s still stand? wassat
            5. +1
              22 September 2017 08: 07
              Quote: Messer
              once every two weeks our air force

              Well, they shot down 3 of your drones for proforma .... it was a hint and food for you to "think"
              1. 0
                22 September 2017 08: 13
                Quote: Burbon
                Well, they shot down 3 of your drones for proforma.

                Why not 33?
                And they didn’t bring down, but they didn’t show debris as they didn’t show it (by the way, the famous tomahawks have the same thing)
                Quote: Burbon
                .it was a hint and food for you to "think"

                We thought .. and how to bomb and bomb? When was the penultimate time?
                And the last (or as you say - extreme) --- today. wink
                1. 0
                  22 September 2017 08: 33
                  Quote: tamnun
                  Why not 33?

                  to a stupid post - I will answer yours and with words - where are your bombs? on a Russian base ?? ... and before hezbollah we’re like a drum ...
                  3 of your Jewish drones are shot down and this is a fact, and you write what you want here, we also have a drum ...
                  1. +1
                    22 September 2017 08: 37
                    Quote: Burbon
                    to a stupid post - I will answer yours and with words - where are your bombs? At the Russian base?

                    Have we bombed a Russian base? belay
                    Quote: Burbon
                    .a before hezbollah we’re like a drum ...

                    and to us the same laughing
                    And with 300, 350 and 400 in Syria that would be protected from the ISIS air force wink
                    Quote: Burbon
                    3 of your Jewish drones shot down and this is a fact

                    Debris in the studio.
                    Quote: Burbon
                    and you write what you want here, we are also on the drum ...

                    And to us good
                    1. 0
                      22 September 2017 08: 43
                      Quote: tamnun
                      Have we bombed a Russian base?

                      so, following your logic, a shell flew in, right away an answer, and we shot down your flying machine .... we should already mix everything with sand with sand ....
                2. 0
                  22 September 2017 10: 07
                  Quote: tamnun
                  Quote: Burbon
                  Well, they shot down 3 of your drones for proforma.

                  Quote: tamnun
                  Why not 33?
                  And they didn’t bring down, but they didn’t show debris as they didn’t show it (by the way, the famous tomahawks have the same thing)

                  now get the fourth ..so RF-Israel = 4-0 ... a reference to you on the road and mood ... although you still say I don’t believe .... http: //x-true.info/60597-nad- siriey-sbit-
                  udarnyy-bpla-izrailya-atakovavshiy-damask.html there and about the previous three it is written))) ....
                  1. 0
                    22 September 2017 10: 14
                    Quote: Burbon
                    now get the fourth ..so RF-Israel = 4-0

                    44-0 laughing
                    a photo of the wreckage is it possible
                    And that Syrians we already f-16 and f-15 shot down - but at least a small fragment, a small wheel - well, nothing to show. laughing
                    1. 0
                      22 September 2017 10: 36
                      Quote: tamnun
                      a photo of the wreckage is it possible

                      photo to you? .... ask your command ... it will give you ... no, it will definitely give and it will say das ist good!
                      1. 0
                        22 September 2017 10: 42
                        Quote: Burbon
                        photo to you? .... ask your command.

                        Strange, you say you shot down, so prove it.
                        Ours, as always, is silent, and even when the Syrians yell that we’ve bombed, they’re all the same silent.
                        In general, we prefer to do business, rather than sharpen the hair.
                        So, proofs in the studio - 4-0 laughing laughing laughing
            6. +1
              22 September 2017 08: 19
              Dearest! They already answered you, but could not help but also not to kick, I’m guilty ... "Yours" were bombed in the south, hundreds of kilometers from the S-400. They flew low, low, so God forbid, on the S-400 radars, not to light up. Often they fired rockets with almost no entry or no entry into Syrian airspace. What is it for?
              Judging by the tonality of statements, erudition and vocabulary, your flag should be of a different color, by golly.
              1. 0
                22 September 2017 08: 42
                Quote: Gregory_78
                Dearest! They already answered you, but could not help but also not to kick, I’m guilty ... "Yours" bombed in the south, hundreds of kilometers from the S-400.

                Why not in thousands?
                But it seemed to me that the penultimate time was 10 km from the s-400 positions.
                Quote: Gregory_78
                They flew low, low, so God forbid, on S-400 radars

                You have not added - having no analogs in the world with s-400
                Quote: Gregory_78
                Often they fired rockets with almost no entry or no entry into Syrian airspace. What is it for?

                I don’t understand the same thing, why the heck are chasing strategists to Syria and hollowing sheds of babahs with calibers of several lyam - if the airborne assault aviation is within walking distance?
                Quote: Gregory_78
                Judging by the tonality of statements, erudition and vocabulary, your flag should be of a different color, by golly.

                The normal flag is the flag of a country whose air force is performing all the tasks assigned to it by the command in Syria. good
        4. +6
          21 September 2017 22: 35
          Quote: Messer
          if you’re behaving badly in our backyard, we can drop it in response. don't even doubt wassat

          He dropped one such, had to bring to suicide.
        5. +1
          22 September 2017 08: 06
          Quote: Messer
          if you’re behaving badly in our backyard, we can drop it in response. don't even doubt

          you fly there, only from our Call .... clearly God's chosen for you?
          1. 0
            22 September 2017 08: 09
            Quote: Burbon
            Quote: Messer
            if you’re behaving badly in our backyard, we can drop it in response. don't even doubt

            you fly there, only from our Call .... clearly God's chosen for you?

            We fly wherever we want and when we want.
            tongue
            You can certainly amuse yourself with the thought that this is with your permission.
            What else can you say?
            tongue
            1. 0
              22 September 2017 08: 15
              Quote: tamnun
              What else can you say?

              I already said - your 3 drones were shot down, and gave you the opportunity to fly and work on hezbollah ... step to the left or to the right and the kaput of your aircraft ... did you even hit us once? ... no and we landed 3. ..3-0 in our favor ... okay?
              1. 0
                22 September 2017 08: 27
                Quote: Burbon
                I already said - your 3 drones shot down

                He said, but I said - they didn’t bring down. Photo of the wreckage in the studio.
                Quote: Burbon
                and gave you the opportunity to fly and work on hezbollah ...

                Strange behavior towards an ally (like fighting together in Syria?)
                Quote: Burbon
                .step to the left or to the right and kaput your aviation

                Of course, what else can you say about this?
                laughing
                Quote: Burbon
                Have you ever hit us once?

                But why?
                Quote: Burbon
                .no and we 3 landed ... 3-0 in our favor ... okay?

                no clear

                more than 100 hits in 3 years.
                the day before yesterday, by the way, as it is not particularly highlighted
                Arab sources said the Israeli Air Force attacked four targets near a military airfield in the Hamat area.

                According to these reports, the airfield commander was injured.

                The IDF press service has traditionally not commented on messages published in foreign media.

                Earlier, IDF air defense was shot down by a drone launched from Syria. The head of the IDF’s press service, Ronen Menelis, said: “We noticed an Iranian drone used by Hezbollah for reconnaissance purposes. It flew from one of the airfields in Damascus in the direction of the Golan Heights and operated in the airspace of the separation zone between the two borders. It did not penetrate on Israeli territory. Air Force planes were lifted in the air, and the drone was shot down with one Patriot missile. It crashed in the area of ​​Ahamadiyah "

                hi
                1. 0
                  22 September 2017 08: 39
                  Quote: tamnun
                  He said, but I said - they didn’t bring down. Studio photo of wreckage

                  fragments of each bomb with corpses, etc. into the studio .... and with convincing evidence (keep Photoshop for yourself)
                  Quote: tamnun
                  Strange behavior towards an ally

                  it's not your Jewish business, it's up to us to decide on temporary allies
                  Quote: tamnun
                  Of course, what else can you say about this?

                  I can say fly to the base in Tartus or Hmeimim - the answer is why not offer it!
                  Quote: tamnun
                  But why?

                  for downed drones
                  Quote: tamnun
                  more than 100 hits in 3 years.

                  Well, we also love to bomb sand in the deserts of the Astrakhan region ....
                  1. 0
                    22 September 2017 08: 49
                    Quote: Burbon
                    fragments of each bomb with corpses, etc. into the studio .... and with convincing evidence (keep Photoshop for yourself)

                    Well, understandably, the statements of the Syrian authorities do not convince you
                    laughing
                    The Syrian army officially announced on Thursday morning, September 7, that Israeli combat aircraft attacked at 2:42 a.m. military facilities in the city of Masyaf (near the city of Hama) in the west of central Syria. The attack was made from Lebanese territory. As a result, two people were killed and material damage was caused.


                    Quote: Burbon
                    it's not your Jewish business, it's up to us to decide on temporary allies

                    Of course not for us, your attitude to your allies is your own business, as is our attitude to your allies.
                    Quote: Burbon
                    I can say fly to the base in Tartus or Hmeimim - the answer is why not offer it!

                    Why do we fly there? Russia is not our enemy.
                    Quote: Burbon
                    for downed drones

                    what kind ?
                    Quote: Burbon
                    Well, we also love to bomb sand in the deserts of the Astrakhan region ....

                    a strange howl from Syria is heard about the bombing of sand wassat
                2. 0
                  22 September 2017 08: 47
                  Quote: tamnun
                  the day before yesterday, by the way, as it is not particularly highlighted

                  Quote: tamnun
                  Arab sources said

                  Quote: tamnun
                  IDF Press Service traditionally does not comment

                  Quote: tamnun
                  He fell in the region of Ahamadiah "

                  a brain explosion ... they contradict themselves ... a fragment of a video and a video when they knock down (Iranian) .... a link to the Arabs and the know-how right there ..... ravings of propaganda!
        6. 0
          22 September 2017 17: 30
          Quote: Messer
          if you’re behaving badly in our backyard, we can drop it in response. don't even doubt

          damn that .. how far can Jews throw caps wassat
    8. +7
      21 September 2017 21: 15
      Well, Messer, "Burn, tambourine!" can be heard in Arabic or Farsi ... Yes?
      1. 0
        21 September 2017 21: 19
        learn yiddish boy
        1. +12
          21 September 2017 21: 57
          Quote: Messer
          learn yiddish boy

          Messer, along with you, in addition to what you need, something else was cut off .... wink
        2. +8
          21 September 2017 22: 55
          Quote: Messer
          learn yiddish boy

          Dear, you didn’t answer, -What will happen if we behave badly in your “guest”? wassat You can read more ... horror how interesting to listen. wassat
          1. 0
            22 September 2017 01: 35
            A malicious provocateur of yavé throws you a bone so that they pay attention to him, and you are glad. Not solid, comrades.
        3. 0
          22 September 2017 08: 21
          Do you even know that there is a tiny difference between Yiddish and Hebrew? Or are you such a Jewish Jew that you don’t even know this?
    9. +9
      21 September 2017 21: 17
      `` in reality, even the plywood glider has not yet been shot down, but PR for the whole world. '' We take an example from amers. The advertisement is engine of the trade. And if the Amerov (or brazen Israeli) plane is overwhelmed, then the queue for the S-400 will be up to the North Pole without any arm twisting, as Americans do by selling all kinds of crap.
      1. +5
        21 September 2017 21: 48
        Quote: papas-57
        then the line for the S-400 will be up to the North Pole without any twisting of arms, as the Americans do by selling all kinds of crap.

        We must pay tribute that the Yankees do not sell air defense systems to anyone. But they take money for the roof. Two THAADs are gigabax per year, and we sell to Turkey for a penny, and the performance characteristics are not comparable. Everything is one and a half - 2 times better
        1. 0
          22 September 2017 08: 50
          TTX are not comparable, right. THAAD - missile defense system, but not air defense. S-400 - air defense + missile defense, but missile defense performs tasks at much lower ranges and altitudes, although it is able to work on much faster goals. Yes, and you can sell THAAD very conditionally - without being included in the overall system, it can do little. When disconnected from the general detection system, this complex easily and naturally turns into a suitcase without a handle. Because it is not capable of intercepting missiles at the final section of the trajectory at all - the speeds and the number of targets are not the same ... The Pentagon has always been laid for this.
          So there are a lot of nuances in this matter.
          1. 0
            22 September 2017 09: 55
            For the C 400, a long-range missile with an interception range of 400 kilometers has not yet been accepted into service; its missile defense capabilities are limited.
            1. 0
              16 October 2017 04: 50
              Apparently you are right. I thought to refute you, rummaged ... And did not find. There are references to the successful tests of 40H6 from 2012, there are about the adoption of the armament from 2015. However, the Relic missile defense system has been in service since 2005, however, they actually started putting it on the T-72B3 about a year ago ... So yes, it’s not at all a fact that there are 40N6 in the troops. But even with her, the ability to intercept ballistic targets in the S-400 is not so hot. And basically catch up.
          2. 0
            22 September 2017 11: 11
            Quote: Gregory_78
            THAAD - missile defense system,

            Brighten the parameters
            S-400 which is not a missile defense system 400 km in range 350 in height 7 missile missiles
            THAAD which is PRO. 200 in range 200 in height rocket 3.5 Mach.
            The Americans and I have completely different views
            1. 0
              16 October 2017 06: 06
              Read carefully.
              THAAD is not designed to combat aerodynamic targets. Therefore, she and missile defense. There one rocket costs so much that several F-35s can be bought for that kind of money. Or a couple of dozen Su-35S. With similar success, recently in the Middle East they shot down a drone of terrorists for 200 bucks with a Patriot rocket, which costs 3 bucks, as it turned out. Then followed a tearful request to his own not to do so anymore. So even the United States can’t afford to fight.

              THAAD - 200 in range, 150 (in some sources - 200) in height. The speed of the rocket (the complex itself!) Is up to 3 max. Given the "hit-to-kill" - is not critical. Interception, of course, only counter. External additional target designation (satellites, long-range radars not included in this complex) is highly desirable.

              C-400 - 400 km in range for aerodynamic targets. On ballistic - a maximum of 60 km in range, a maximum of 30 km in height. Only medium-range ballistic missiles fit here - no more than 3500 km. Interception of ballistic targets is preferable - after. Where did you get 350 in height - I don’t understand. We are developing such missiles, but at what stage now is the secret behind seven seals. And such missiles simply do not fit into the S-400.
    10. +2
      21 September 2017 21: 17
      all natives like to brag about new trinkets ... you are no exception with the f-35 like the s-400 turks
    11. +4
      21 September 2017 21: 18
      Quote: Messer
      in reality, even the plywood glider has not yet been shot down, and PR for the whole world

      Yeah, the news is from Turkey, and the Jews are already there, with the "poop" they came running ..
      1. +8
        22 September 2017 02: 13
        Quote: Stas Snezhin
        Yeah, the news is from Turkey, and the Jews are already there, with the "poop" they came running ..


        Yes, it's just a provocateur, and certainly not from ours ...
        Maybe the padded jacket became bored, or the mikhan was sad ... laughing
        Quote: Messer
        learn yiddish boy

        Yiddish in Israel speaks a scanty percentage of the population ....

        And site traffic must be maintained. How is it, the topic suddenly and without srach about Israel. Out of order ... that's the stuffing on the fan.
        1. +1
          22 September 2017 09: 38
          For some reason, the jumping neighbors on this site do not like to speak under their own flag, prefer Israeli. Why - you can only speculate. But, judging by the lexicon and some other signs - these are they. Yes, the advice to learn Yiddish is very characteristic. To live in Israel and not even know the name of the language? Funny, is not it?
    12. +2
      21 September 2017 21: 34
      So check out my friend.
    13. +2
      21 September 2017 22: 19
      Quote: Messer
      in reality, even the plywood glider has not yet been shot down, and PR for the whole world


      In Russia, everything, only the ex-smart ones who escaped in time. It’s good that we have fewer of these. And in Israel, more.
      1. +1
        22 September 2017 09: 42
        I beg of you! This "Israeli" is unlikely to have tried matzo at least once in his life ... But for fat and buryak can tell a lot.
    14. +1
      21 September 2017 23: 18
      Messer. I think the S-400 has filled up a lot of any kind of flying stuff so you can not scuffle. Mossad also performed many feats. how do you check?
    15. 0
      22 September 2017 07: 58
      Quote: Messer
      in reality, even the plywood glider has not yet been shot down, and PR for the whole world

      envy? .... would you in a Jewish country such a PR man ?!
    16. 0
      24 September 2017 14: 33
      Quote: Messer
      in reality, even the plywood glider has not yet been shot down, and PR for the whole world

      You doubt it, try it on plywood Messerschmitt.
  3. +9
    21 September 2017 20: 56
    Turks do not care, they can also check their effectiveness)
    1. +2
      21 September 2017 21: 00
      on Sushki and Migahs, they don’t care for that anyway
      1. +6
        21 September 2017 21: 10
        What do you think of the Holocaust?
        1. +9
          21 September 2017 21: 59
          Quote: brr1
          What do you think of the Holocaust?

          How can he think if he has not been there?
          1. +1
            21 September 2017 22: 42
            Anyone can think, it doesn’t hurt
      2. 0
        21 September 2017 21: 36
        Good you Messer! Your name is not Schmitt, by chance?
        1. +2
          22 September 2017 09: 43
          I beg of you! Krivopupenko (aka Sukhodrishchenko), but not to admit? How are you, right word ...
      3. +2
        21 September 2017 22: 22
        Quote: Messer
        on Sushki and Migahs, they don’t care for that anyway

        Do not dine on the F-35. And do not eject. For such a complexion as you, land without a head. In the ass scores acceleration.
  4. +10
    21 September 2017 21: 02
    However, it clings to our Israeli friends.
    Yes.
    Times come new unknown.
    1. +2
      21 September 2017 21: 06
      Yes, nothing doesn’t catch us, we laugh cynically)
      1. +5
        21 September 2017 21: 24
        Quote: Messer
        Yes, nothing does not catch us

        Then what are you writing here?
        1. 0
          22 September 2017 06: 13
          Just for lulz
          1. 0
            22 September 2017 19: 43
            We can talk in Russian?
            1. 0
              22 September 2017 20: 04
              Quote: Dart2027
              Just for lulz

              Translator Socrates (available on the Internet) translated:
              Just for lulz. But who is lulz is not clear.
            2. 0
              23 September 2017 06: 14
              Quote: kotuk_ha_oxote
              Just for lulz


              Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
              Quote: Dart2027
              Just for lulz

              Translator Socrates (available on the Internet) translated:
              Just for lulz. But who is lulz is not clear.


              Quote: Dart2027
              We can talk in Russian?


              Just for fun, neighing, have fun
      2. +8
        21 September 2017 21: 25
        `` Yes, nothing catches us, we laugh cynically. '' Laugh, laugh. He laughs best who laughs last. After all, you can’t lose a single war, immediately the khan to the state. But you can’t always hope for the USA, if it is profitable for them, they will surrender any of their ally without a twinge of conscience. They have an excuse for all occasions - `` Nothing personal, it's just business. ''
      3. +1
        21 September 2017 21: 37
        Cynical - perhaps, but the main thing is to have a good laugh.
      4. +2
        21 September 2017 22: 23
        Quote: Messer
        Yes, nothing doesn’t catch us, we laugh cynically)

        Well, he laughs, who laughs without consequences.
      5. 0
        24 September 2017 14: 40
        Quote: Messer
        Yes, nothing doesn’t catch us, we laugh cynically)

        Laughs the one who laughs without consequences ...
        how many were ....
    2. +1
      21 September 2017 21: 12
      No enemies with such friends
      1. 0
        21 September 2017 21: 25
        we have such friends, a whole museum
        1. +3
          21 September 2017 21: 48
          Quote: Messer
          we have such friends, a whole museum


          One of the copies Russia returned in May 2016 - the Magah tank, captured by the Syrians in the early 1980s feel Well, history does not teach anything ... request Moses is not on you .... for 400 years you had to walk, benevolently they could become b ... ("b" is not abbreviated from ... although sometimes it tries to break loose feel )
          1. 0
            21 September 2017 21: 57
            so that you know what kind of copies we have in the Tank Museum, you’d be surprised, your memory is short
            1. +2
              21 September 2017 22: 40
              Quote: Messer
              so that you know what kind of copies we have in the Tank Museum, you’d be surprised, your memory is short


              I know much more than YOU think, do not waste your precious time here - you will not find either understanding or sympathy ... well, why do you need all this? No.
            2. +1
              21 September 2017 22: 58
              It’s not necessary to fight a lot with the Arabs. They either prayer, then diarrhea, then scrofula. Therefore, they give you modern weapons.
          2. +2
            22 September 2017 09: 47
            I sincerely ask you - keep yourself in control. This helmet is clearly not even a Ukrainian Jew, I'm not talking for more ...
          3. +1
            22 September 2017 09: 53
            Quote: Yuyuka
            captured by the Syrians in the early 1980s, well, history does not teach anything ...

            Indeed - history teaches nothing laughing
            How many times did Syria get on the face and how did we get to our Golan?
        2. +8
          21 September 2017 21: 50
          Your main museum is the Holocaust Museum. This is the apotheosis of your attitude towards others.
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            1. +2
              21 September 2017 22: 45
              This is not an answer. I don’t care at all. Your opinion is interesting.
        3. +5
          21 September 2017 22: 01
          Quote: Messer
          we have such friends, a whole museum

          Are there Russians? No? Will seek....
        4. +6
          21 September 2017 22: 24
          Quote: Messer
          we have such friends, a whole museum

          That's over the past year, the number of promised has declined by half a million. They run to friends, because you have to fight at home.
          1. 0
            21 September 2017 22: 37
            Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
            That's over the past year, the number of promised has declined by half a million. They run to friends, because you have to fight at home.

            Over the past year, the total population has increased by 139.000.
            More details: http://yafogatetours.com/naselenie-izrailya.html
            1. +2
              21 September 2017 23: 09
              This is yahuda propaganda.
            2. 0
              22 September 2017 20: 18
              Quote: Messer
              Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
              That's over the past year, the number of promised has declined by half a million. They run to friends, because you have to fight at home.

              Over the past year, the total population has increased by 139.000.
              More details: http://yafogatetours.com/naselenie-izrailya.html

              ... and 2 million Arabs. 20% of the population is your Arabs. Which do not serve in the army, and spit on your ambitions. Say thank you that this part of the population has ceased to multiply so quickly compared to you. Otherwise, the new Intifada cannot be avoided.
            3. 0
              16 October 2017 06: 21
              A travel site as a source of information? !! You provided me with a good mood for a couple of hours at least ... Thank you.
    3. 0
      21 September 2017 22: 57
      Quote: Livonetc
      However, it clings to our Israeli friends.
      Yes.
      Times come new unknown.

      Interestingly, how would you react after your best allies have raped you, having forced you to buy an allegedly invincible airplane for so much? 480 million if you consider the price and cost of service for the entire service life. Exactly how much is a piece of pure gold with a mass equal to this miracle.
      1. +2
        22 September 2017 02: 25
        Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
        480 million if you consider the price and cost of service for the entire service life. Exactly how much is a piece of pure gold with a mass equal to this miracle.

        even if you accept for truth your statement about the price, still a couple of tons of gold coin is not enough ... wink
        at $ 1 mil. = 24.07 kg of 999 gold
        respectively for $ 480 mil. = approximately 11.5 tons.
        weight empty F-35A = 13.29 tons
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        2. 0
          22 September 2017 15: 45
          Quote: Neksel
          Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
          480 million if you consider the price and cost of service for the entire service life. Exactly how much is a piece of pure gold with a mass equal to this miracle.

          even if you accept for truth your statement about the price, still a couple of tons of gold coin is not enough ... wink
          at $ 1 mil. = 24.07 kg of 999 gold
          respectively for $ 480 mil. = approximately 11.5 tons.
          weight empty F-35A = 13.29 tons

          Driving, training flyers and washing the purchase were not counted. And so everything is true.
  5. +4
    21 September 2017 21: 04
    Quote: _Jack_
    If a missile with a nuclear warhead has never been used in reality, do you doubt its effectiveness?

    He probably thinks that the system was put on duty just like that - without testing ?!
    1. +1
      21 September 2017 21: 08
      And on which, for example, f-35s tested the system? ...
      1. +1
        21 September 2017 21: 26
        Apparently on the American, such as after the response of the Russian Federation Supreme Soviet for the Euphrates, the United States did not brazenly answer about the position to shoot down aircraft and ask to establish a more reliable channel for transmitting information. Israel clarify the downing or damage of the f-15 complex with -200 analog and suppressed.
        1. +1
          21 September 2017 21: 30
          like an adult, but you believe in Arabian tales
          1. +6
            21 September 2017 21: 38
            Suggest to listen to the Jewish?
          2. +5
            21 September 2017 22: 02
            Quote: Messer
            like an adult, but you believe in Arabian tales

            And what? 1002 night is very interesting! For you!
      2. +3
        21 September 2017 22: 26
        Quote: Gransasso
        And on which, for example, f-35s tested the system? ...

        Americans are not allowed. They are afraid that it will be a shame in Syria. How then to sell these airplanes at 100 million apiece, and even without engines?
      3. +4
        21 September 2017 23: 00
        Quote: Gransasso
        And on which, for example, f-35s tested the system? ...

        And why ruin such an expensive piece of iron, acquiring it through many hands? Isn't it smarter, simpler, and cheaper to try on targets with the same EPR? The speed, maneuverability, and so on, so necessary for a front-line fighter for this wimp at the level of 60 years. So the target costs three pennies.
        1. +1
          21 September 2017 23: 06
          And on what specific targets with the same EPR as f-35 trained?
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          2. +1
            22 September 2017 19: 09
            Quote: Gransasso
            And on what specific targets with the same EPR as f-35 trained?

            For a quarter of a century I worked as a designer, but in a different industry. Although the approaches to creating any new are the same everywhere. So don’t knock on spoons, young man.
  6. +11
    21 September 2017 21: 10
    Not so long ago there was a case when Israeli planes were rapidly approaching the territory of Turkey, Turkish air defense calculations decided to take on escort, which Petriot "said", "I will not aim at friendly aircraft." to be sure that the weapon will fire when necessary and where it is necessary to them, and not to uncle.
    1. 0
      22 September 2017 11: 06
      You look ... And after all, everyone must step on this rake for some reason before clever thoughts begin to come to mind.
    2. +1
      22 September 2017 11: 16
      Quote: screw cutter
      Not so long ago there was a case when Israeli planes were rapidly approaching the territory of Turkey, Turkish air defense calculations decided to take on escort, which Petriot "said", "I will not aim at friendly aircraft." to be sure that the weapon will fire when necessary and where it is necessary to them, and not to uncle.

      Storyteller laughing
  7. +2
    21 September 2017 21: 13
    Interestingly, but ours will also insert chips there that can turn off the S-400 in the event of a war with Turkey ??
    1. +1
      21 September 2017 21: 39
      And what do you think?
      1. +1
        21 September 2017 21: 54
        Quote: NordUral
        And what do you think?

        Or maybe it’s more efficient to turn it off on approach? Straight from the plane ... It seems like they missed ...
    2. +1
      21 September 2017 21: 45
      Do you doubt it?
    3. 0
      21 September 2017 21: 57
      Quote: mashinist
      Interestingly, but ours will also insert chips there that can turn off the S-400 in the event of a war with Turkey ??


      no one is going to hide it request
    4. +6
      21 September 2017 22: 04
      Quote: mashinist
      Interestingly, but ours will also insert chips there that can turn off the S-400 in the event of a war with Turkey ??

      I wonder why the letter "E" exists?
      1. +2
        21 September 2017 22: 49
        Quote: sabakina
        Quote: mashinist
        Interestingly, but ours will also insert chips there that can turn off the S-400 in the event of a war with Turkey ??

        I wonder why the letter "E" exists?


        for thought - "Uh ... seem yours!" laughing
      2. +1
        22 September 2017 06: 28
        Quote: sabakina
        I wonder why the letter "E" exists?

        Well, people were carried away by controversy, they lost Export from sight ...
    5. 0
      22 September 2017 09: 57
      Such chips do not exist when they are repaired, they will be immediately detected - it will not work to hide and hide them.
  8. +4
    21 September 2017 21: 18
    Quote: Messer
    Quote: _Jack_
    If a missile with a nuclear warhead has never been used in reality, do you doubt its effectiveness?

    Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Stupid not to know.

    It is foolish not to know that these are bombs and dropped on defenseless cities. It is sad for the Jewish people, who themselves suffered in that war ...
    1. +2
      21 September 2017 23: 13
      The people suffered - the state won.
  9. +7
    21 September 2017 21: 19
    Let it be a surprise full of opportunities.
    And if there is interest, it’s already worth checking in the Middle East.
    Fly in to touch on the F35.
    There, the Russian military police, at the instigation of some, tried to feel the debris so immediately they massively moved to the category of deed.
    1. +6
      21 September 2017 22: 03
      Let it be a surprise full of opportunities.
      And if there is interest, it’s already worth checking in the Middle East.


      until the gauges "flew" they were not taken seriously winked so that the unknown in relation to Russian weapons is much worse than the weapons themselves - hell knows what it can do? belay
  10. +2
    21 September 2017 21: 20
    Previously, the Greeks trained and explored opportunities in the Greeks, but they are outdated.
    Mutual understanding will be reached and the Turks will provide such an opportunity. Erdogan’s policy is changeable like a weather vane in the wind, and with NATO and the Western world, though not quite simple, but fairly stable ties.
  11. +3
    21 September 2017 21: 35
    S-400 hits targets with an EPR of at least 2 m2.
    It can detect targets with less ESR, but it is not able to direct missiles at them and hit them.
    1. 0
      21 September 2017 21: 54
      What do you think of the Holocaust?
      1. 0
        22 September 2017 01: 54
        Why are you tormenting everyone with this question ?!) I will answer what I think, although not a Jew.
        And my answer will be like this: if Hitler and especially Goebbels and Himler are more Aryans than jive, then I am Santa Claus! wink
      2. +2
        22 September 2017 06: 17
        Sometimes it’s better to chew than write, the face is fascist.
        1. 0
          22 September 2017 08: 55
          Where is fascism?
    2. +1
      21 September 2017 22: 00
      Quote: voyaka uh
      S-400 hits targets with an EPR of at least 2 m2.
      It can detect targets with less ESR, but it is not able to direct missiles at them and hit them.


      what's the point? it's like an American strike on the Syrian airfield with “60 axes” - more material damage to yourself than to the enemy request
      1. +1
        22 September 2017 10: 02
        And a clear demonstration of the fact that even the comprehensive air defense of Syria and ours is not able to intercept complex targets.
        1. +1
          24 September 2017 15: 03
          Quote: Vadim237
          And a clear demonstration of the fact that even the comprehensive air defense of Syria and ours is not able to intercept complex targets.

          But it was impossible to intercept, the United States warned earlier about the launch. But as a result of an incomprehensible failure, half of the axes fell in the Mediterranean Sea ...
    3. +3
      21 September 2017 22: 02
      Quote: voyaka uh
      S-400 hits targets with an EPR of at least 2 m2.
      It can detect targets with less ESR, but it is not able to direct missiles at them and hit them.

      So I understand, are you from the design bureau? If the authors say that the F-35 sees and destroys, then it is. Will it become easier if you see it with your own eyes? You ask the sailors from Donald Cook how they wanted ... belay but could not. Ask Zolton Dani how he shot down an invisible plane ...
      And advice is given to you, fly near the Hmeimim air base. You’ll see everything yourself ... wassat as soon as dawn, you’ll see everything ... lol
    4. +2
      21 September 2017 22: 05
      Radar S-400 early detection 91N6E:
      Maximum range of target designation (detection range greater) for:
      Ballistic targets - 230 km (speed up to 4800 m / s and effective dispersion area 0,4 m²)
      For targets with EPR 4 m² - 390 km
      For strategic aircraft - 570 km
    5. +4
      21 September 2017 22: 06
      Alexey, I thought you were smarter .........
    6. +1
      21 September 2017 22: 08
      Oh well, did the developers themselves tell you that? Anyway, we’re making cardboard rockets - they don’t fly! American AJIS is another matter, they will fall into a fly, only they don’t want to hit a Korean missile, and Eun is having fun!
      1. 0
        24 September 2017 15: 04
        Quote: Shadow of Darkness
        Oh well, did the developers themselves tell you that? Anyway, we’re making cardboard rockets - they don’t fly! American AJIS is another matter, they will fall into a fly, only they don’t want to hit a Korean missile, and Eun is having fun!

        They fall into a fly easily if the latter is equipped with a radio beacon.
    7. +3
      21 September 2017 22: 25
      The layered air defense system includes, inter alia, air defense aircraft. Therefore, to consider the confrontation between S-400 and F-35 in its pure form is not correct.
      1. +2
        21 September 2017 23: 02
        Here to call air defense aircraft against stealth aircraft - yes - the S-400 can. I do not argue with that.
        1. +2
          21 September 2017 23: 16
          It is not intended to confront one-on-one with stealth S-400 aircraft (there are no such air defense at all) and use it like that - just lose it. And as a part of layered air defense, she really has no competitors in her segment.
          1. +3
            21 September 2017 23: 38
            "Confront one on one with stealth aircraft S-400 and is not intended" ///

            So I about it. No one has such an air defense yet. But the S-400 can help if you wind aviation around it, AWACS aircraft, early radars, and other air defense systems.
    8. 0
      21 September 2017 22: 26
      Yes, they are visible ..... The task is not so set ...... Learn to manage ......... Do not be surprised if your device sits somewhere ......
    9. +4
      21 September 2017 23: 08
      '' S-400 hits targets with an EPR of at least 2 m2. It can detect targets with less ESR, but it is not able to direct missiles at them and hit them. '' What is the difference between American advertising of weapons from Soviet and Russian. The Americans have always exaggerated the capabilities of their weapons, and the USSR and Russia downplayed. And with proper combat use, our weapons have always won. Learn the story.
      1. +2
        21 September 2017 23: 42
        "Americans have always exaggerated the capabilities of their weapons," ////

        Americans, on the contrary, admit that their air defense is not seen by stealth. And they have all kinds of radars. And Russians, for checks, they bought through third countries.
        1. +1
          22 September 2017 00: 36
          I did not mean only air defense systems. This applies to all American weapons. An exaggeration of the quality of everything American and an understatement of everything that is not American in their blood. And to admit that someone did something better than they will not allow them to `` American exclusivity. ''
          1. +2
            22 September 2017 00: 41
            The meme of "no analogs" is not an Amerian invention ...
            1. 0
              24 September 2017 16: 55
              Do you have an analogue? "Unparalleled" - this is the same trick as "You're not the same when you're hungry," from Snickers! Any parameter that is different from similar products, technically, can be called "unparalleled" and those who know the Russian language understand the true meaning of this phrase, but for people with poor knowledge of the Russian language, it causes a tantrum! fool
          2. +1
            22 September 2017 11: 33
            '' American exclusivity '' - a phrase coined in Russia and existing only in Russian. Why? - a question for psychologists. In English, she has no analogue.
            1. +1
              22 September 2017 14: 21
              “Your untruth, Uncle Bidenko”
              American exceptionalism is the worldview of national exceptionalism, according to which the United States occupies a special place among other peoples in terms of its national spirit, political and religious institutions. The origins of this position date back to 1630 when John Winthrop’s book, The Model of Christian Charity (Stephen Brooks. Understanding American Politics. - Toronto: University of Toronto Press,), was published, but some scholars attribute its origin to Alexis de Tocqueville, who claimed that the United States has a special place among all countries.
              Belief in American exclusivity is more characteristic of conservatives than liberals. Howard Zinn and Godfrey Hodgson argue that it is myth-based and that “there is a growing number of rejections of the idea of ​​exceptionalism” at the national and international levels. In contrast, conservative leader Mike Huckabee says that “denying American exceptionalism essentially means denying the heart and soul of this people.”
            2. 0
              24 September 2017 15: 08
              Quote: voyaka uh
              '' American exclusivity '' - a phrase coined in Russia and existing only in Russian. Why? - a question for psychologists. In English, she has no analogue.

              English is very meager and "poor" compared to Russian.
        2. +1
          22 September 2017 01: 21
          Quote: voyaka uh
          "Americans have always exaggerated the capabilities of their weapons," ////

          Americans, on the contrary, admit that their air defense is not seen by stealth. And they have all kinds of radars. And Russians, for checks, they bought through third countries.

          Export options, to put it mildly, not quite TE.
          1. +1
            22 September 2017 06: 19
            Pilots who received substandard Algerian MiGs giggle.
          2. 0
            24 September 2017 16: 58
            They know about it, but they don’t know what the catch is! So they are trying to provoke frankness to find out the difference! hi
        3. 0
          22 September 2017 10: 06
          To be honest, the target on the radar screen is not clear - but not invisible.
        4. +1
          22 September 2017 11: 55
          Even the old Soviet meter range radars perfectly see all these "stealth". About it there was a bunch of articles and even "In Young Technique" (there was such a magazine in the USSR).
          1. +1
            22 September 2017 12: 39
            Quote: vvvjak
            Even the old Soviet meter range radars perfectly see all these "stealth". About it there was a bunch of articles and even "In Young Technique" (there was such a magazine in the USSR).

            of course they see wink
            And then why are PAK FA and the like developing themselves?
            Or only RF have meter radars?
            1. +1
              22 September 2017 14: 03
              to gain superiority in the air. Stealth technology gives an advantage in aerial combat. And attack the objects protected by multilevel air defense well, come on.
              1. 0
                23 September 2017 13: 53
                Tell us how to aim a rocket at a target using a meter range radar.
            2. +1
              24 September 2017 15: 11
              Quote: tamnun
              Quote: vvvjak
              Even the old Soviet meter range radars perfectly see all these "stealth". About it there was a bunch of articles and even "In Young Technique" (there was such a magazine in the USSR).

              of course they see wink
              And then why are PAK FA and the like developing themselves?
              Or only RF have meter radars?

              Not to the detriment of avionics, but the states have set everything to stealth technology to the detriment of everything else.
            3. +1
              24 September 2017 17: 00
              That's why PAK FA is created, that YOUR radars do not see them well! lol
            4. 0
              24 September 2017 19: 32
              Quote: tamnun
              Quote: vvvjak
              Even the old Soviet meter range radars perfectly see all these "stealth". About it there was a bunch of articles and even "In Young Technique" (there was such a magazine in the USSR).

              of course they see wink
              And then why are PAK FA and the like developing themselves?
              Or only RF have meter radars?

              That is why this miracle has such stunt qualities. To show guests that their place is at the bucket. To which the praised stealth will have no answer. With almost equal invisibility, hundreds of millions will be beaten in a multitude. On bends.
    10. 0
      22 September 2017 04: 03
      ??? what about nuclear warheads. mistaken 0,02 km more indicate for 2m "
    11. +1
      24 September 2017 14: 47
      Quote: voyaka uh
      S-400 hits targets with an EPR of at least 2 m2.
      It can detect targets with less ESR, but it is not able to direct missiles at them and hit them.

      Try on the F-35, no risk.
  12. 0
    21 September 2017 21: 54
    Quote: Messer
    we have such friends, a whole museum

    Your main museum is the Holocaust Museum. This is the apotheosis of your attitude towards others.
  13. 0
    21 September 2017 22: 13
    Judging by the indicators that they boast, the Turks got full-fledged systems, rather than an export version. How so?
    1. +3
      21 September 2017 22: 58
      If these are still the characteristics of the export option, then what are a complete system?
      1. 0
        21 September 2017 23: 19
        I don’t know about the reliability of Wiki, but according to the characteristics there and stated here it turns out that they are selling a full-fledged version.
        1. KCA
          +2
          22 September 2017 05: 59
          They will not be able to sell a full-fledged option in any way, the range of missiles in any case will be limited to 300 km
        2. +1
          22 September 2017 06: 33
          And where did the WTX TTX have a full-fledged version? Spies leaked?
          1. KCA
            +2
            22 September 2017 09: 41
            Why are spies? There is open information, there is closed
            1. +1
              22 September 2017 11: 25
              Well, for “E” it’s open, but the fact that for the native army is closed to other countries is only through spies.
  14. +1
    21 September 2017 22: 22
    [quote = WarNoob] Judging by the indicators by which they x
    [quote = WarNoob] Judging by the indicators they brag about, the Turks got full-fledged systems, not an export version. How so? [/ Quote]
    Are you sincerely perplexed?
    Ali what goal are you pursuing?
  15. +3
    21 September 2017 22: 35
    Quote: Messer
    if you’re behaving badly in our backyard, we can drop it in response. don't even doubt wassat

    You behave badly with all neighbors. It feels like the Jewish government as small children in the sandbox. What’s the government there, you Messer are no better! What is your avatar worth! How do you want your neighbors to treat you after that?
    1. +14
      22 September 2017 04: 07
      Alex, hi hi Pay attention to how Israeli pilots are fighting. They fired at ground targets without entering the airspace of a foreign state and home. So this "stray" - crap from someone else's territory. Well this is not scary. I won’t be surprised if after some time he will be doing the same thing in another branch and under a different nickname and flag.
  16. +8
    21 September 2017 22: 47
    So what is it? Well, the Turks illustrated the principle of the new system.
    They have a right.
    laughing
  17. 0
    21 September 2017 23: 10
    Already signed. Cystitis in all kinds of media.
  18. +5
    21 September 2017 23: 25
    The Turks practically acquired the S-400, it remains now to buy from Russia a batch of aircraft of the SU or MIG family, so that their planes (they have the same ones) would not be knocked down during the operation of the S-400.
  19. +1
    21 September 2017 23: 40
    Quote: Messer
    F-35 has not yet destroyed a single target, both ground and air, let it be known to you. And this despite the fact that they have already built them in batches. But this is bad luck, the plane is not ready and did not participate in any sortie. And they spent so much on the program there that Russia with this money could place weapons in space and make Reagan's "SOI" tales a reality.


    F-35 has not yet destroyed a single target, both ground and air, let it be known to you. stop And this despite the fact that they have already built them in batches. But bad luck, the plane is not ready and did not participate in any sortie Yes . And they spent so much on the program there that Russia with this money could place weapons in space and make Reagan's "SOI" tales a reality laughing .
  20. +3
    22 September 2017 00: 00
    systems are capable of targeting a potential enemy at a distance of 600 km, and hitting a target at a distance of 400 km.

    To be honest, from such performance characteristics it is already breathtaking. At one time he was involved in the release of "Antei-2500". One had only to dream about such performance characteristics ... But the Cypriots and Greeks liked it. laughing How much time did we give them illiquid details (military envoys, bad people, hacked ...) vparili - it's just a song. feel Almost all... winked But at the firing range they shot very well. Yes
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  22. +2
    22 September 2017 00: 14
    And how did they bring down the Russian plane?
    1. +2
      22 September 2017 00: 45
      Quote: Snowball
      And how did they bring down the Russian plane?

      Ipt ... Newspapers do not read?
    2. +4
      22 September 2017 01: 26
      Quote: Snowball
      And how did they bring down the Russian plane?

      I can knock out any athlete’s eye if I do it all of a sudden, from underneath, and being almost allied with him.
      1. +2
        22 September 2017 06: 36
        And also to the retired athlete ....
  23. +2
    22 September 2017 00: 25
    I wonder why the patriots were the first to react to such articles, eager for victories over the USA and NATO with the wrong hands in virtual reality mode on TV? Why users who know the taste of army bread do not break them off once and for all?
    1. +6
      22 September 2017 00: 34
      You also read this article and then stuck all your clever thoughts. Draw conclusions yourself.
  24. +1
    22 September 2017 00: 35
    I had some suspicions about the events in Tkruiya, but I will not voice them. And about c400. I tried to get an answer to which we really need it !!! With a description of all perspectives and historical perspectives and histories. With my philanthropic philistine sofa expertise. That's what I got. I’ll cover up some things. He wrote through the website of the President of the Russian Federation. If they are forwarded from there, the answer usually comes, maybe in half a year or a year but it comes. On a straight line if you send it, then not a word of spirit. This is generally not just these hadres.
  25. 0
    22 September 2017 01: 04
    Quote: Locksmith
    Quote: Zibelew
    Sultan s400 will not be able to use against our VKS ... It will be something like this.

    Here you can see right away - there is nothing to say, what is the connection between a failed start and the inability to hit the target?
    PS: specially for you - there is a test funnel in the spear, an unguided missile from c300 just fell there, don’t bring God to fall where it is not necessary, even without a warhead, it will not seem enough.




    Near which point?
  26. 0
    22 September 2017 03: 46
    Quote: sabakina
    Quote: Messer
    we have a lot of things

    And the "Death Star," pah, that is, David? belay

    ..this stuff we have at all levels ...
  27. 0
    22 September 2017 07: 26
    I hope that due to the expansion of the warning zone, we agreed with Turkey.
  28. 0
    22 September 2017 07: 31
    Turkish news agency spoke about the capabilities of the C-400 system on the example of US aircraft

    Well, for this she was created.
  29. +1
    22 September 2017 07: 35
    Looks like mattresses such a presentation is clearly not to your liking :))
  30. 0
    22 September 2017 08: 00
    And where does the Anatolian Agency, if the infographics are originally Russian in Russian. I have already seen the complete infographic in Russian, if I am not mistaken, on the Rossiyskaya Gazeta website.
    Therefore, any accusations of advertising by the Anatolian Agency - look idiotic.
  31. 0
    22 September 2017 08: 25
    Most likely, the Turks with their bid for S-400 are trying to bring down prices in a tender, at the same time annoying their NATO partners, once again emphasizing their importance.

    It has happened before, counting on a contract in all seriousness is not worth it.
  32. +1
    22 September 2017 08: 43
    Good publicity. Turks are almost well done laughing
  33. 0
    22 September 2017 08: 52
    I think that the chest just opened. Does Russia exchange a lot for Syria?
  34. 0
    22 September 2017 08: 58
    everything would be fine, but the toad is pushing to sell the best anti-aircraft defense to a NATO member, they themselves are not yet fully equipped, and at one point, the Turks, under a provocative pretext, will hand over a S-400 copy for Yankee study ...
  35. 0
    22 September 2017 09: 37
    Quote: Messer
    we have and circumcised more, ask aunt wassat

    Like in a joke. I knew you were being cut, but I didn’t know that so short)
  36. 0
    22 September 2017 10: 47
    If the Turks bought the S-400 (NATO members and one of the most powerful army in this alliance) .. This is already an advertisement for our air defense systems! But this is an export option and there is still the S-500, etc.
    1. 0
      23 September 2017 06: 27
      Quote: DEPARTMENT
      and there is also the S-500

      Shaw, is there anyway? And how much did they put in the troops?
      Nothing that the first prototype of the S-500 system will be ready (possibly) by 2020?
  37. 0
    22 September 2017 12: 25
    I remembered a video clip from Votsap - Anatoly Anatoly)))))) showed the same drin - handsome!)))
  38. 0
    22 September 2017 14: 35
    What kind of shooting are we talking about? The division was taken from the unit and at the 60th site it was only upon delivery by the military manufacturer, and at 58 on shooting only 1 machine from the regiment, by the way, missiles do not start but are fired. And the location of the landfill has not been a secret for a long time the valiant city. The sign is on all maps. And as the locals say, the Earth has the form of an ass and the hole in it is Kapustin Yar. I disagree with them. The place is wonderful especially in autumn.
  39. 0
    22 September 2017 19: 17
    It would be necessary to shoot at the goals indicated in the training manual.
  40. 0
    22 September 2017 19: 39
    If only they didn’t try it on Russian planes! ( God forbid!)
  41. 0
    23 September 2017 06: 32
    Quote: Messer
    in reality, even the plywood glider has not yet been shot down, and PR for the whole world

    Do you want to test on your Air Force? attack randomly Tartus or Khmeinim. I think not only the S-400, but you will test the calibers with the Bastions on yourself.
  42. 0
    24 September 2017 15: 10
    Erdogan is aware that, in the event of a global conflict between Russia and Nato, it is better to be on the right side. And the memory tells how the ass hurt after the war of 1878
  43. 0
    25 September 2017 14: 48
    It must be assumed that the tractor is also Russian, or did the Turks “tie” the complex to their chaise?
  44. +1
    25 September 2017 17: 41
    Today the CEO of the subsidiary Almaz-Antey, who produces missiles for anti-aircraft defense systems, https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3421195, was dismissed. There is one wording: "For ... causing reputational harm to the interests of society and JSC" East Kazakhstan Concern "Almaz-Antey". Maybe the director general was trying to convey to the leadership that the S-400 missiles have not yet hit 400 km targets, and the plant is not able to produce them. Why conclude a contract with the Turks when we cannot fulfill it. They could have been fired for such a position.
  45. 0
    26 September 2017 07: 32
    Well, perhaps so! Then let the Amer bases be removed from their territory and in general we need to think about organizing the Central-Middle Asian Military Union. I think there are people who want to join.
  46. 0
    27 September 2017 16: 07
    Or maybe he tries ... to sell such systems to Turks, albeit export ones? I don’t believe them, they’re like shit in the hole - now to one crib, then to another. Yes, and "stab in the back" is difficult to forget

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