Maritime Space Intelligence and Targeting System

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Maritime Space Intelligence and Targeting System

Keep in mind that only five percent of the intelligence reports are true. A good commander should be able to allocate these percentages. /Douglas MacArthur/


One of the conditions that ensured the successful offensive of the German army in the summer of 1941, was the fact that the Wehrmacht was a decade superior to the Red Army in terms of the quality of army intelligence, guidance, communications and command and control systems. The Soviet leadership learned a brutal lesson in time - when planning supplies for Lend-Lease, much attention was paid to improving the quality of command of the Red Army. As a result, the Red Army received 177900 telephones and 2 a million kilometers of field telephone cable. Thanks to the supply of 400-watt radio stations, army headquarters and airfields were fully provided with communications. In total, during the war years, the Soviet Union received 23777 units of army radio stations of various capacities. To ensure reliable communication between the Stavka and the major cities of the USSR, 200 high-frequency telephone stations were received. The delivery of electronic detection systems was a particularly important area: until the 1945 of the year, the USSR received radar types of various types from the allies. In fairness it should be noted that the Soviet Union was able to independently master the mass production of the most complex technology - during the war years, the Red Army received 2000 domestic radars.



Modern military art makes high-quality intelligence, uninterrupted communication and accurate target designation the basis of any military operation. Recent events in Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya have demonstrated the correctness of this approach - NATO creates a kind of “information dome” over the combat area, within which it controls all movements and negotiations of opponents, disclosing their plans and selecting the most important goals. The result is predictable: entire states are erased from the face of the Earth with single losses from the Coalition. To ensure such an approach, both global satellite reconnaissance systems and local means, including manned and unmanned reconnaissance aircraft, electronic reconnaissance equipment, early warning radar aircraft, are used ... Feedback is excellent: during the battle, an order from the Pentagon can be achieved in a short time bring up the individual soldier.

Such a long preamble was needed in order for you to be able to imagine the importance for the Soviet Union of the development of the Maritime Space Intelligence and Targeting System.

Legend

In 60, industry science and industry were given the task of creating the world's first space-based all-weather surveillance system for surface targets in the entire ocean area with data transfer directly to land or ship command centers called the Legend. The prerequisite for the creation of the MKRTS was the search for a reliable method of targeting and targeting cruise missiles at the US aircraft carrier strike groups, which in those years were the main enemy of the Soviet Navy. The AUG itself, being a powerful percussion device combining deeply echeloned air defense and anti-aircraft defense, could travel a day to 600 nautical miles (more than 1000 km), which made them an extremely complex goal. The presence of numerous escorts and a false order in the AUG additionally set before our sailors the problem of target selection. The result was a complex problem with several unknowns that could not be solved using conventional methods.

Despite the presence of submarines in the USSR Navy (nuclear submarines pr. 675, pr. 661 Anchar, submarines pr. 671), missile cruisers, coastal systems of anti-ship missiles, numerous fleet missile boats, as well as the numerous complexes of anti-ship missiles P-6, P-35, P-70, P-500, there was no certainty about the guaranteed defeat of the AUG in the event of a similar problem. Special combat units could not correct the situation - the problem was reliable over-the-horizon detection of targets, their selection and providing accurate target designation for flying cruise missiles. Using aviation to guide the RCC, the problem did not solve: the ship's helicopter had limited capabilities, moreover, it was extremely vulnerable to carrier-based aviation of a potential enemy. Despite its excellent inclinations, the Tu-95RC scout was ineffective - it took many hours for an airplane to arrive in a given area of ​​the World Ocean, and again the scout became an easy target for deck interceptors. Such an inevitable factor as weather conditions completely undermined the confidence of the Soviet military in the proposed target designation system based on a helicopter and a reconnaissance aircraft. There was only one way out - to monitor the situation in the oceans from the icy abyss of outer space.

The largest research centers and design teams of the country, in particular, the Physics and Energy Institute and the Institute of Atomic Energy named after. I.V. Kurchatov. The calculations of the parameters of the orbits and the mutual arrangement of the spacecraft were performed with the direct participation of Academician M.V. Keldysh. The design office of V.N. was appointed as the head organization responsible for the creation of the MKRTS. Chelomey. The OKB-670 team (Krasnaya Zvezda Scientific and Production Association) took on the development of a nuclear onboard power plant for spacecraft.

At the beginning of 1970, the Arsenal plant (Leningrad) launched the production of prototype spacecraft. The flight tests of the spacecraft of the radar reconnaissance began in the 1973 year, and the radio reconnaissance satellite - a year later. The radar reconnaissance spacecraft was put into service in 1975, and the entire complex (with the radio intelligence reconnaissance spacecraft) later in the 1978. In 1983, the last component of the system was adopted - the P-700 supersonic anti-ship missile Granit.

1982 had a great chance to check the MKRTS in action. During the Falkland War, data from space satellites allowed the command of the Soviet Navy to track the operational and tactical situation in the South Atlantic, accurately calculate the actions of the British fleet and even predict the time and place of landing in the Falklands of the English landing force.

Technical aspects of the program

Technically, the MKRTS is a combination of two types of spacecraft and ship information receiving points directly from orbit, ensuring its processing and issuing target designation to the rocket arms.



The first type of satellite US-P (Managed Satellite - Passive, index GRAU 17Ф17), is a complex of electronic intelligence, designed to detect and direction-finding objects that have electromagnetic radiation. The spacecraft has a high-precision three-axis system of orientation and stabilization in space. The power source is a solar battery, in combination with a chemical battery. A multifunctional liquid-propellant rocket launcher provides stabilization of a spacecraft and correction of the height of its orbit. For the withdrawal of the spacecraft into Earth orbit, the Cyclone booster is used. The mass of the spacecraft is 3300 kg, the average height of the working orbit is 400 km, the inclination of the orbit is 65 °.


Sketch US-A


The second type of satellite US-A (Managed Satellite - Active, GRAU index 17Ф16) was equipped with two-way side-looking radar, providing all-weather and all-day detection of surface targets. Low working orbit (which eliminated the use of bulky solar panels) and the need for a powerful and uninterrupted power source (solar batteries could not work on the shadow side of the Earth) determined the type of on-board power source - BUC-5 “Buk” nuclear reactor, thermal power 100 kW ( electrical power - 3 kW, estimated operating time - 1080 hours).

The mass of the spacecraft is more than 4 tons, of which 1250 kg accounted for the reactor. US-A had a cylindrical shape with a length of 10 meters and a diameter of 1,3 meters. On one side of the hull was located the reactor, on the other - the radar. The reactor had protection only from the radar, so the hellish satellite was a permanent source of radiation. After the completion of the work, a special upper stage brought the reactor to the “burial orbit” at an altitude of 750 ... 1000 km from the surface of the Earth, the rest of the satellite burned when it fell in the atmosphere. According to calculations, the residence time of objects in such orbits is at least 250 years.

Russian roulette

18 September 1977 was successfully launched from Baikonur spacecraft "Kosmos-954", which is nothing more than an active satellite of the Legend International Center for Air Rocket Communications. Orbit parameters: perigee - 259 km, apogee - 277 km, orbit inclination - 65 degrees.
For a whole month, Cosmos-954 vigilantly kept watch in space orbit, paired with its twin Cosmos-252. October 28 The satellite 1977 suddenly ceased to be controlled by ground control services. The reason is still unclear, most likely a malfunction in the software of the corrective propulsion system. All attempts to orient the satellite to success did not lead. It was also not possible to put it into the “burial orbit”.

At the beginning of January 1978, the depressurization of the instrument compartment of the spacecraft occurred; the Cosmos-954 completely failed and stopped responding to requests from Earth. An uncontrolled descent of a satellite with a nuclear reactor on board began.
The Western world looked with horror into the dark night sky, expecting to see the falling star of death. Back in November, the NORAD Joint Command of the North American Continental Air Defense made a statement that the Soviet spacecraft had lost its orbit and was a potential threat due to a possible fall to Earth. In January, the 1978 world tabloids came up with the headings "Soviet spy satellite with a nuclear reactor on board is in orbit without control and continues to decline." Everyone was discussing when and where the flying reactor would fall. "Russian Roulette" has begun.


Scheme of the spacecraft "Cosmos-954"


Early in the morning of January 24, Cosmos-954 collapsed over the territory of Canada, filling Alberta province with radioactive debris.
The search operation "Morning Light" (in honor of the bright completion of the satellite career) began. The first object, which is the remainder of the reactor core, was found on January 26. In total, Canadians found more than 100 kg fragments with a total mass of 65 in the form of rods, disks, tubes, and smaller parts, the radioactivity of which was up to 200 X-rays / hour.
Fortunately for Canadians, Alberta is a northern, sparsely populated province, and no one from the local population has been hurt.

Of course, an international scandal happened, the Americans shouted the loudest of all, the USSR paid symbolic compensation and for the next 3s of subsequent years refused to launch US-A, improving the design of the satellite.

However, in 1982, a similar accident occurred on board the Kosmos-1402 satellite. This time the spacecraft safely drowned in the waves of the Atlantic. According to the experts, if the fall had begun on 20 minutes earlier - Cosmos-1402 would have landed in Switzerland.

Fortunately, no more serious accidents with “Russian flying reactors” were recorded. In case of emergency situations, the reactors were separated and transferred without incident to the “burial orbit”.

Results of the program

In total, under the program “Marine Space Intelligence and Targeting System”, 39 launches (including test ones) of US-A radar reconnaissance satellites with nuclear reactors on board were made, of which 27 were successful. Of course, numerous new, not yet tested, often too innovative solutions for the creation of this technology could not but affect the reliability of spacecraft. However, US-A in 80-ies reliably controlled the surface of the situation in the oceans. The last launch of this type of spacecraft took place on March 14 1988 of the year.

Currently, only the US-P radio intelligence satellites are part of the space group of the Russian Federation. The last of these, Cosmos-2421, was launched on 25 on June 2006 of the year. According to official information, there were some minor problems on board due to incomplete disclosure of solar panels. Farther story with "Cosmos-2421" became a source of American slander. Despite numerous statements by the Russian side that everything is in order with the spacecraft, it is in a regular orbit and is in communication with it, representatives of NORAD claim that 14 March 2007 of the year "Cosmos-2421" ceased to exist and collapsed into 300 fragments.


Assembly of the new spacecraft US-P


One of the US-P satellites, Cosmos-2326, in addition to specific tasks in the interests of the country's security, performed a purely peaceful function — with the help of the Konus-A module, he explored cosmic gamma-ray bursts.

In general, the Legend MKRTS has become one of the business cards of the Soviet cosmonautics. Many of its components still have no analogues in the world. And most importantly, unlike all the advertised programs of the PIO, it was adopted for service.
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  1. +2
    20 March 2012 08: 58
    A cool thing ... we did in Samara ... Who works for me at Kozlov ...
    1. VAF
      VAF
      0
      20 March 2012 09: 41
      Quote: ward
      Cool thing ... we did in Samara.


      Without controversy, the thing is cool and, most importantly, is very necessary now, when the stage of "rearmament and modernization" is underway associated with a sharp reduction in the number of strike carriers and reconnaissance aircraft, but .... "where is it all"?
      But the programs for "skating" tourists are in full swing ?! fellow
      1. +3
        20 March 2012 10: 05
        Satellites of the Cosmos series are regularly launched into orbit, which means that something is being done, the military will not blow the whole world, now we have this and that !!!
    2. Tram boom
      -5
      20 March 2012 10: 22
      From the article:

      BES-5 Buk nuclear reactor, with a thermal power of 100 kW (electric power - 3 kW, estimated operating time - 1080 hours).


      The last launch of this type of spacecraft took place on March 14, 1988.


      It turns out that the system has not been operational for 25 years, and they continue to hang noodles about space superiority and invincible rockets.
      1. +4
        20 March 2012 18: 51
        Quote: Tram boor
        It turns out that the system has not been operational for 25 years, and they continue to hang noodles about space superiority and invincible rockets.


        The Russian satellite espionage system includes not only the ICRC. but also other optical and RT reconnaissance systems.

        "Cobalt". Optical-electronic reconnaissance satellite. Circulation period - 89,69 minutes; minimum distance from the Earth's surface (at perigee) - 183 km; the maximum distance from the Earth's surface (at apogee) is 330 km. "Cobalt" was created in St. Petersburg KB "Arsenal". Precision optics installed on devices of this class makes it possible to capture details of the earth's surface up to 40 centimeters in size on photographic film.
        "Neman". Optical-electronic reconnaissance satellite. Created at TsSKB (Samara) on the basis of the Yantar spacecraft and since 1982 has been launched into orbit from the Baikonur cosmodrome. "Neman" are capable of photographing areas of the earth's surface, converting the resulting image into a digital signal on board and transmitting it to ground-based information receiving and processing points via a radio channel.
        "Enisey". Optical-electronic reconnaissance satellite. Unlike the spacecraft of previous generations, designed for 2-3 months, the Yenisei can operate in orbit for about a year. Created at TsSKB-Progress, Samara. The mass of the apparatus is about 12 tons. It is a fifth generation digital imaging satellite that transmits data in near real time.
        "Eagle". Optical-electronic reconnaissance satellite. Parameters: circulation period - 89,6 minutes; minimum distance from the Earth's surface (at perigee) - 220 km; the maximum distance from the Earth's surface (at apogee) is 315 km. Created at the Izhevsk Radio Plant. For its development the Order of Friendship, Vladimir Grodetsky, the current director of Izhmash.
        Almaz-T is a radar reconnaissance satellite, a response to the American Lacrosse. Resolution 10-15 m. The first Almaz-T satellite was launched in 1981. Developer NPO PM. Approximate parameters: orbital inclination - 72,7 degrees; circulation period - 88,7 minutes; minimum distance from the Earth's surface (at perigee) - 170 km; maximum distance from the Earth's surface (at apogee) - 280 km.
        MKRC "Legend". Since 1978, there has been the Legend Marine Space Reconnaissance and Targeting System (MCRTs). It includes satellites for radar and radio-technical reconnaissance. It is believed that the effectiveness of the ICRC system was confirmed in 1982, during the Anglo-Argentine conflict over the Malvinas (Falkland) Islands. It was with her help that the Main Headquarters of the Navy accurately predicted the moment of the landing of the British landing on the islands.



        Launches satellites of the Strategic Missile Forces. Coordinated by the GRU Space Intelligence Center. The transmission of intelligence data is carried out via the Geyser relay satellites located in geostationary orbit. The FAPSI is responsible for encrypting data transmitted from satellites. The analysis and processing of the information obtained in this way are entrusted to the so-called Dozor system, which is located in the central building of the GRU on the Khoroshevskoye highway.
        1. +3
          20 March 2012 19: 09
          Yes, there is information that "Cobalt" should be replaced by a new spacecraft "Persona" intended for obtaining high-resolution images with their transmission to the Earth via a radio channel. . In 2010 these devices were tested. According to unofficial data, the military department requires space photographs with a resolution of less than 30 cm. Apparently, Persona meets these requirements.

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          1. -1
            20 March 2012 20: 08
            I see, Ascetic. Russia has reconnaissance satellites and no one has denied this.

            But we are talking about a specialized naval target designation system - how without it the sailors will be able to direct their legendary "Granites" (the main weapon of the TARKR "Peter the Great" and 10 nuclear submarines of pr. 949A "Antey"?
            1. Eugene
              0
              20 March 2012 20: 14
              It would be something to direct - the Antei are modernizing and installing Yakhonts, which have a shorter launch range. I suspect due to targeting problems. Why else should you cut the range?

              Granites by the way EMNIP can be induced from Ka-31.
              1. 0
                20 March 2012 20: 40
                There is infa that there will be Zircons on the Batons.
                And onyx in range is no worse than granite, but in terms of development it is a step forward.
                Moreover, there are Tu-95 MRCs that are undergoing planned modernization.
                1. Eugene
                  0
                  20 March 2012 21: 03
                  According to what I saw, the range of the 3M55 is 300 km with a combined trajectory and 120 low-altitude. Bch - 250 kg.
                  Granite - 600 km combined, warhead - 750 kg or nuclear.

                  Based on these data, everything is sad (especially the lack of information about Special warhead for Onyx.)

                  Correct me if wrong.
                  1. +1
                    20 March 2012 21: 20
                    damn where smil hand face
                    You all look at the EXPORT CLUB data.
                    According to the caliber, the data for another 50 years will be under the stamp.
                    Cheat you think for onyx there is no UBC. But for 152 mm there is, but not for RCC. wink
            2. +5
              20 March 2012 22: 08
              Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
              But we are talking about a specialized naval target designation system - how without it the sailors will be able to direct their legendary "Granites" (the main weapon of the TARKR "Peter the Great" and 10 nuclear submarines of pr. 949A "Antey"?


              And what is the dispute then I do not understand MKRTs as far as I know restored. Now there are scheduled launches (if you are looking for it in the internet before it was a secret), the "Legend" is changed to a more modern "Lyra". And with target designation, there can only be problems of the organizational plan and the interaction of forces and means. if we assume that the space system will not give out the control center, there will be no AWACS aircraft, there is always the possibility of detecting a large enemy grouping that unmasks itself, at least by taking off planes and helicopters, and can also be detected by "fishing" trawlers, submarines and escort ships ... Thus, the problem of target designation turns into the plane of interaction between the forces of the fleet. As for the "Granite" itself. When creating it, an approach was used for the first time, the basis of which is mutual coordination of elements of a complex system (target designation means - carrier - RCC). As a result, the created complex for the first time acquired the opportunity to solve any task of naval combat with an outfit of fire weapons of one carrier. According to the experience of combat and operational training of the Navy, it is almost impossible to bring down such a missile. Even if you hit the Granite with a missile defense, the rocket, due to its enormous mass and speed, can maintain its initial flight speed and, as a result, fly to the target.

              Approximately from the year 1996 to we generally "fought" without MKRTs thanks to EBN, so what? The world has not failed, because there are always duplicate systems, because the satellite system is a priori not the most reliable. (31OIICH in Mirny reduced which "Cosmos" was taken out). Amers with their "Asat" still slurp spoons of shit
              1. Eugene
                0
                20 March 2012 22: 11
                Even if you hit the Granite with a missile defense, the rocket, due to its enormous mass and speed, can maintain its initial flight speed and, as a result, fly to the target.

                not sure if I still believe 5 km, and if 50?
                Amer in Iraq Scuds often didn’t knock down but simply knocked off course ...
                1. +3
                  20 March 2012 22: 46
                  Quote: Eugene
                  I’m not sure if I still believe 5 km, and if 50? Amer in Iraq The Scuds often didn’t knock down but simply knocked off course ...


                  They fly in the "order" for the lead rocket. If she is knocked down her place is immediately taken by a "friend".

                  after a salvo, the missiles line up one by one and "silently", at low altitude, at a speed of 1600 km / h, rush towards the target, adjusting the direction, for example, according to the operation of the enemy's radar. Any parameters of the physical fields of any potential enemy, up to the silhouette, can be stored in the memory of the on-board computer, which allows Granit not to be distracted by interference. A maximum of two, or even only one, target mark may appear on the radars of anti-aircraft complexes (one of the control missiles goes above the others and corrects their flight, and in case of a shootdown, the next one takes its place). Being confident of this, the SAM operators will issue a control center. What will it be like for them when, on approach, the missiles turn on homing, fan out, increase their speed and crash into the sides of the ships. Eyewitnesses tell what colossal destruction this missile inflicts on targets, cutting them off with a powerful dynamic strike. By the way, several missiles can be directed at a large target such as an aircraft carrier (classification and decision making is made on the move). To date, not a single country in the world has the means to combat the Granit missiles. Frightened by the deployment of this system, the Americans began to abandon lumped orders, take a stricter approach to radio silence modes, use the radar in a passive mode ("receive"), highlighting targets from aircraft.


                  http://www.navylib.su/ships/1144/10.htm
                  1. Eugene
                    -1
                    20 March 2012 22: 56
                    No, you said that by inertia when knocking down the head part will go to the target anyway. At 50 km, this is unlikely.

                    About the group. I read about it, but I never heard that it was tested in practice, at least for 3 missiles / I'm not talking about a volley from Antei.

                    Plus, if the rocket is so good, where is its direct descendant, whose performance characteristics would correlate with its Onyx warhead is small, and nothing is heard about the "group".
                  2. MURANO
                    -1
                    21 March 2012 01: 01
                    Quote: Ascetic
                    They fly in the "order" for the lead rocket. If she is knocked down her place is immediately taken by a "friend".

                    The tale has been replicated in good circulation. I'm tired of it already.
                  3. MURANO
                    -1
                    21 March 2012 02: 02
                    Quote: Ascetic
                    after the volley, the missiles line up one by one

                    Oh how! Well Pavlov ... smile
                2. Flanker66
                  0
                  3 November 2013 18: 41
                  Well Granite with Scud should not be compared ...))
              2. Tram boom
                0
                21 March 2012 11: 55
                Quote: Ascetic
                And what is the dispute, I don’t understand the ICRC as far as I know it has been restored.


                The main component of the ICRC were the US-A satellites, which had no analogues, with a reactor and powerful radar - without them, the ICRC turns into an ordinary RT reconnaissance system and cannot fulfill its MAIN TASK — THE DATA ISSUE FOR P-700.

                US-A satellite operating time - 1080 hours (45 days)
                Last launch - 1988
                I think you can make a conclusion yourself
              3. 0
                4 June 2016 23: 56
                Liana ...
                But it seems that it only partially works. There are 4 satellites ... Lotuses and Peonies ...
                Two lotos were launched, but the first was experimental, etc. Peony is only one, judging by the available data.
                Nevertheless, I believe that in this form they can do something. They are threatening, as I understand it, this year to finish it ...
  2. +1
    20 March 2012 10: 20
    And the new system is called LIANA.
    BUT all countries know about these satellites. Tk their launches are coordinated. So in all countries of the world.
    1. Tram boom
      -1
      20 March 2012 10: 25
      Liana is a purely electronic intelligence. To the ICRC, which has a very distant relationship and completely different tasks
      1. +1
        20 March 2012 11: 06
        Tram boom
        And in your opinion, how did the Legend find goals?
        1. Tram boom
          -1
          20 March 2012 11: 10
          Rummaged over the ocean
          1. +1
            20 March 2012 11: 15
            Yeah, and why is it not RT intelligence?
            Moreover, not the most effective.
            1. Tram boom
              +1
              20 March 2012 11: 18
              This is a radar. A completely different principle of work is not just passive collection of information, but active highlighting of goals.

              Offer more efficiently
              1. 0
                20 March 2012 11: 42
                um in the concept of our navy with its development
                Zircon for shock large surface ships and submarines
                and gauges for small and medium. It’s better to just know that somewhere. They do not need to know exactly the coordinates of the target they will find.
                But at the same time, the resource / price of the satellite is an order of magnitude lower.
                1. Tram boom
                  -2
                  20 March 2012 12: 05
                  The cheapest way is to create your own carrier-based aircraft, which will include AWACS aircraft as part of the wing.
                  In rocket and space technology, the payload weight is 1% of the starting mass, what kind of efficiency is there.

                  Quote: leon-iv
                  Gauges for small and medium. It’s better to just know that somewhere. They do not need to know exactly the coordinates of the target they will find.


                  Caliber is a common corruption project, there is no hope for this system. The latest Russian development Club-K was created 30 years ago. And it's called - BGM-109 TOMAHAWK

                  TTX Tomahawk (1983)

                  Length: 6 meters
                  Starting weight: 1200 ... 1500 kg
                  Warhead - thermonuclear 200 ct or regular 450 kg (in total there are 12 equipment options)
                  Flight range: 1250 ... 2500 km
                  Airspeed 0,8M


                  TTX of the Russian complex Club (2010):

                  Length - 8 meters
                  Starting weight - 1700 ... 2300 kg
                  Warhead - 200 ... 450 kg.
                  Flight range: 220 ... 300 km
                  Airspeed 0,8M

                  Conclusion: under the guise of the latest cruise missile, we are shown junk with understated characteristics.
                  1. +5
                    20 March 2012 13: 14
                    You, as always, fart in a puddle
                    Comparing missiles different in class and objectives.
                    Tk Caliber is a universal low-altitude rocket that is capable of working on all types of targets.
                    And also forget that the caliber in the final section of the trajectory goes to the super sound. And has a low-altitude flight profile along the entire flight path.
                    And what about the RCC version of the tomahawk?

                    Oh yes, I forgot to add in open sources there is data only for Klab, maybe it’s exported, and there are strict limits on the range
                    1. +1
                      20 March 2012 13: 14
                      Oh yes, I forgot to add in open sources there is data only for Klab, maybe it’s exported, and there are strict limits on the range
                      1. Tram boom
                        -2
                        20 March 2012 13: 29
                        Forgot to add. Tomahawk 30 years in production, went through a dozen wars, 5000 units. Full versatility in carriers: nuclear submarines, ships, aircraft, ground launchers ...

                        How many clubs are produced? Ah, just 2
                      2. +1
                        20 March 2012 13: 43
                        and now let's compare with the X-55 and X-555 laughing
                    2. Tram boom
                      -3
                      20 March 2012 13: 23
                      Well, we play by the rules of illiterate patriots.

                      Quote: leon-iv
                      Comparing missiles different in class and objectives.

                      The class is the same - a cruise missile.
                      The task is the same - shock functions.

                      Quote: leon-iv
                      Tk Caliber is a universal low-altitude rocket.

                      30 years ago it was said about Tomahawk

                      Quote: leon-iv
                      And also forget that the caliber on the final section of the trajectory goes on super sound

                      5 ... 10 times shorter range depreciates the entire system

                      Quote: leon-iv
                      And has a low-altitude flight profile along the entire flight path.

                      Tomahawk - similarly

                      Quote: leon-iv
                      And what about the RCC version of the tomahawk?

                      BGM-109E retired as unnecessary.

                      And about the supersonic you missed - only anti-submarine modifications possess such a property, the flight range is -70 km. smoking laughter
                      1. +5
                        20 March 2012 13: 32
                        The class is the same - a cruise missile.
                        The task is the same - shock functions.

                        No Clab (caliber) main task is anti-ship. And all its filling is built around this task.
                        30 years ago it was said about Tomahawk
                        And when black powder was better
                        5 ... 10 times shorter range depreciates the entire system
                        MTCR
                        Tomahawk - similarly
                        Really tell me how the tomahawk will go 10 meters above the ground
                        BGM-109E retired as unnecessary.
                        Tk was UG for air defense warrants.
                      2. Tram boom
                        -3
                        20 March 2012 13: 39
                        Quote: leon-iv
                        No Clab (caliber) main task is anti-ship. And all its filling is built around this task.


                        Then the Club loses out to Harpoon. Harpoon launch range 130 ... 200 km, warhead-227 kg. starting weight -650 kilograms (against two tons!)


                        Quote: leon-iv
                        Really tell me how the tomahawk will go 10 meters above the ground

                        The club also does not fly at supersonic 10 meters from the ground


                        5 ... 10 times shorter range depreciates the entire system and there is no explanation for this, except for obsolete technologies (with a 25% greater starting weight)
                      3. +2
                        20 March 2012 14: 26
                        Harpoon launch range 130 ... 200 km
                        depends on the carrier if the club is sawn to the carrier (although there is onyx / brahmos) the range will be higher.
                        But as you always forget physics, kinetic energy is E = (m * v2) / 2
                        And we remember that the club (the castrated version approaches the target at a speed of 3M) while the difference in 15kg of explosives is minimal
                        The club also does not fly at supersonic 10 meters from the ground
                        5 ... 10 times shorter range depreciates the entire system and there is no explanation for this, except for obsolete technologies (with a 25% greater starting weight)

                        MTCR
                      4. 0
                        20 March 2012 19: 24
                        Quote: leon-iv
                        But as you always forget physics, kinetic energy is E = (m * v2) / 2

                        So what?

                        Quote: leon-iv
                        And we remember that the club (the castrated version approaches the target at 3M speed)

                        5 times (!) A shorter range invalidates all of Klab's imaginary advantages. And export has nothing to do with it.
                      5. MURANO
                        +3
                        20 March 2012 18: 25
                        Quote: Tram boor
                        5 ... 10 times shorter range depreciates the entire system and there is no explanation for this, except for obsolete technologies (with a 25% greater starting weight)

                        300km is the range of the Caliber-Club export modification.
                        The caliber has a significantly longer range.
                        And how many grenades do you know?
                        Quote: Tram boor
                        The club also does not fly at supersonic 10 meters from the ground

                        The last supersonic step of the anti-carabile variant of Caliber flies below 10m.
                      6. -4
                        20 March 2012 19: 24
                        Autonomous high-precision CRs have 2 control options:

                        1 - GOS. In this case, the RC follows at an altitude of> 100 m. When the seeker locks on a target, the CD gradually decreases, without losing sight of the target, and attacks it. Example - ASM "Harpoon"

                        2 - Scanning the underlying terrain and comparing the received data with a map previously stored in the machine’s memory. The advantage is an extremely low flight path on the marching section. An example is the Tomahawk.

                        As additional measures to reduce the CVO, GPS and target illumination from external sources are used.

                        Club developers are proud of the low-altitude trajectory (speed 3M, flight altitude - 10 meters!). And at the same time, the usual GOS is installed on the Club! This is the price of all the screams about "the great and terrible Caliber". What are analysts at the Pentagon doing? Are they laughing or laughing? Or are they dumber than you, so as not to distinguish between a formidable combat system and a cheap dummy?
                      7. MURANO
                        +2
                        20 March 2012 19: 33
                        You have cereal in your head.
                        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                        1 - GOS. In this case, the RC follows at an altitude of> 100 m. When the seeker locks on a target, the CD gradually decreases, without losing sight of the target, and attacks it. Example - ASM "Harpoon"

                        GOS-homing head. And it is used at the final stage in any anti-ship missile or missile defense system. (The difference is only in the type of special missile defense) Here all missiles are all the same. These are Uranus, Harpoon, anti-ship missile Caliber, etc.
                        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                        Scanning the underlying terrain and comparing the data with a map previously stored in the machine’s memory. The advantage is an extremely low flight path on the marching section. An example is the Tomahawk.

                        This principle is used on the MARCH section of the Kyrgyz Republic (not anti-ship missiles) such as Tomahawk, Pomegranate, Caliber
                        Therefore, there is no crime in the fact that the Caliber has an "ordinary GOS".
                      8. -2
                        20 March 2012 19: 42
                        You have cereal in your head.
                        We do not seem to understand each other smile

                        GOS-homing head. And it is used at the final stage in any anti-ship missile or missile defense system. (The difference is only in the type of special missile defense) Here all missiles are all the same. These are Uranus, Harpoon, anti-ship missile Caliber, etc.

                        All is correct. But pay attention to the marching section - Harpoon's inertial system leads it in a given direction at a considerable height, the seeker seeks a suitable target.

                        Quote: MURANO
                        This principle is used on the MARCH section of the Kyrgyz Republic (not the anti-ship missile system) such as Tomahawk, Granat, Caliber. Accordingly, there is no "crime" in this phrase -


                        Naturally, this principle is not applicable to RCC - the water is the same everywhere.

                        There is "crime" - at the Club inertial guidance system and GOS. And at the same time, an extremely low flight altitude .... this is absolutely crazy idea - the KR will not be able to find a target in such conditions.
                      9. MURANO
                        +2
                        20 March 2012 19: 48
                        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                        But pay attention to the marching section - Harpoon's inertial system leads it in a given direction at a considerable height, the seeker seeks a suitable target.

                        Correctly. Only here "significant" is you zagnuli. And ANY RCC works in the same way.
                        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                        There is a "crime" - the Club has an inertial guidance system and a seeker. And at the same time, the extremely low flight altitude .... this is a completely crazy idea - the CD becomes completely blind.

                        Again, this is the NORMAL "work" of ANY PKR. Well, except for our "airplanes" such as Granite or Basalt when firing in the main way.
                      10. +3
                        20 March 2012 20: 43
                        [bAll is correct. But pay attention to the marching section - Harpoon's inertial system leads it in a given direction at a considerable height, the seeker is looking for a suitable target.]
                        this is due to the fact that the head at the harpoon is old enough similar to our basalts. Tk there is no normal target selection.
                        [b "Crime" is - Klaba has an inertial guidance system and a seeker. And at the same time, extremely low flight altitude .... this is a completely delusional idea - the RC will not be able to find a target in such conditions.]

                        oh yes is it really so wrong in her headlamp with a special mirror?
                      11. MURANO
                        +3
                        20 March 2012 19: 44
                        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                        Are they neighing or babbling? Or are they dumber than you, so as not to distinguish a formidable combat system and a cheap dummy?

                        Do not laugh.
                        The main trump card of Caliber is the versatility and secrecy of the placement of the ground version. I think they saw a cartoon about the container.
                        And so, 3M-14-Tomahawk.
                      12. -1
                        20 March 2012 20: 04
                        Only here "significant" is you bent
                        But there can be no talk about PMV, right?

                        I repeat, this is NORMAL "work" for ANY RCC
                        It turns out that "caliber" does not know how to work against ground targets?
                        On the other hand, like an anti-ship missile, "Caliber" is inferior to Harpoon

                        The trump card of Caliber is the versatility and stealth of the placement of the ground version

                        So, what new did the Caliber developers reveal to Raytheon engineers?
                        For over 30 years, axes have been placed on all types of carriers (deck / below deck launchers, ground launchers, air launch, launch from TA. From SLBM mines ... a dozen warhead options ...what's new?
                      13. MURANO
                        +1
                        20 March 2012 20: 15
                        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                        But there can be no talk about PMV, right?

                        Maybe the question is why. I will answer a little later.
                        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                        It turns out that "caliber" does not know how to work against ground targets?

                        Why? KR-3M-14.
                        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                        On the other hand, like an anti-ship missile, "Caliber" is inferior to Harpoon

                        Which one? and in what? Their two are 3M-54 and 3M-54.1
                        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                        So, what new did the Caliber developers reveal to Raytheon engineers?

                        They didn’t open it, they did it beautifully. For such universal and secretive use as here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xupOQSvnas
                        Tomahawk is incapable.
                      14. MURANO
                        +1
                        20 March 2012 20: 51
                        Quote: MURANO
                        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                        But there can be no talk about PMV, right?

                        Maybe the question is why. I will answer a little later.

                        It all depends on the shooting method chosen. It is either "creep" or "cover"
                        Crawling - with inaccurate control center (the coordinates of the target or MPC are determined (received) inaccurate) or incomplete - only the direction is known. In this case, the seeker turns on early and searches for the target ("creeps"). Flight altitude - maximum (for this type of anti-ship missile system) to increase radio horizon.
                        Covering - when the accuracy of the control center is beyond doubt. In this case, the seeker is on at the estimated range ("covering"). On the marching section in this case, the anti-ship missile flies as low as possible (according to the performance characteristics of a specific anti-ship missile) and is "silent" The seeker makes a "jump".
                      15. +1
                        20 March 2012 20: 32
                        Clab AGSN
                        Now tell me which air defense orders can intercept a sufficient number of anti-ship missiles at 3M, then we'll talk.
                      16. 0
                        20 March 2012 19: 33
                        Quote: MURANO
                        300km is the range of the Caliber-Club export modification.
                        The caliber has a significantly longer range.
                        And how many grenades do you know?


                        Yeah, how much is non-export?

                        The grenade flew like a Tomahawk on 2500 ... 3000 km.
                        Moreover, it was 1,5 times longer (9 meters against 6 at Tomahawk) and heavier 1,5 times.
                      17. MURANO
                        +3
                        20 March 2012 19: 40
                        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                        Yeah, how much is non-export?

                        1000+
                        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                        Moreover, it was 1,5 times longer (9 meters against 6 at Tomahawk) and heavier 1,5 times.

                        Smaller and lighter. But more Tomahawk. Well, it's no secret that there was a lag in some technologies.
                      18. -2
                        20 March 2012 19: 51
                        1000+
                        Your assumptions? Or indicate the source?
                        The story about the secrecy of trust is not credible - everything has been declassified, right down to the control and guidance systems.
                      19. MURANO
                        +3
                        20 March 2012 19: 53
                        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                        The story about the secrecy of trust is not credible - everything has been declassified, right down to the control and guidance systems.

                        The export modification has been declassified. A signature stamp is on the TTX Caliber. And they differ in the characteristics of the GOS and flight.
                      20. +3
                        20 March 2012 20: 35
                        1000+ can't be maybe can't find a target. with its flight profile, but 500+ and 600+ with SBC
                      21. MURANO
                        +2
                        20 March 2012 20: 41
                        Quote: leon-iv
                        1000+ can't be maybe can't find a target. with its flight profile, but 500+ and 600+ with SBC

                        I wrote about KR. And they are used when shooting at targets with known coordinates.
                      22. +3
                        20 March 2012 20: 51
                        the wrong size for this there are other tools and they are being developed.
                        The gauge for the corvette frigates will mainly be for other destroyers for destroyers.
                      23. MURANO
                        +2
                        20 March 2012 20: 54
                        KP 3M-14 is the main Navy KP for work on the coast .. It involves the use of a la Tomahawk.
                      24. +3
                        20 March 2012 20: 34
                        You again take the Murzilka, forgetting about the flight profile and average speed + electronic warfare.
                        Each tool is sharpened for a specific task and tactics do not consider military fools.
                      25. MURANO
                        +2
                        20 March 2012 18: 27
                        Quote: leon-iv
                        No, Klab (caliber) the main task is anti-ship

                        You can’t say that. Caliber is a family of missiles of three variants — KR, RCC, PLUR.
                      26. +3
                        20 March 2012 20: 36
                        I talked about RCC export version of CLUB.
                      27. +3
                        20 March 2012 13: 40
                        And about the supersonic you missed - only anti-submarine modifications possess such a property, the flight range is -70 km. smoking laughter
                        oh my god you don't even read pedagogy normally fool
                    3. +3
                      20 March 2012 18: 34
                      Quote: leon-iv
                      Oh yes, I forgot to add in open sources there is data only for Klab, maybe it’s exported, and there are strict limits on the range


                      According to an international treaty, the range limit is no more than 300km.
                      Let's say the export Iskander-E has -280 km.
      2. +3
        20 March 2012 22: 38
        Quote: Tram boor
        Liana is a purely electronic intelligence. To the ICRC, which has a very distant relationship and completely different tasks


        This is a UNIVERSAL ICRTs system, created at the St. Petersburg Arsenal, will allow conducting electronic reconnaissance not only in the water area of ​​the World Ocean, like the US-PU satellite, but also on land, like the Tselina-2 spacecraft purchased from Ukraine. ", Spacecraft, which were launched into orbit by a rocket of the Ukrainian design" Cyclone-2 ", satellites" Liana "should be launched by the Russian carrier" Soyuz-2 ". This will ensure independence from our unpredictable neighbor in yet another area of ​​creating weapons systems.
        Lotos-S (GUKOS index - 14F138, 14F145) is a series of Russian radio-technical intelligence satellites that are one of the components of the new generation Liana radio-technical intelligence (RTR) system. The satellite was created by the cooperation of TsNIRTI (Moscow), the Arsenal Engineering Plant (St. Petersburg) and TsSKB-Progress (Samara). The satellites of this series, along with the second component of the Liana RTR system - the 14F139 Pion-NKS satellites, should replace the Soviet-designed satellites of the similar designation Tselina-2 (Yuzhmash, Ukraine) and US-PU included in the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation RTR GRU system and the Maritime space reconnaissance and target designation system "Legend", respectively [1].


        http://mafia.tele2.ru/app/wiki/Лотос-С
  3. Roman A
    0
    20 March 2012 12: 48
    After reading the article, our falling satellites are recalled. I DO NOT BELIEVE I myself said that they fell; why not one crew with an American on board fell into the ocean
    1. Tram boom
      0
      20 March 2012 13: 00
      Quote: Roman A
      not one crew with an American on board fell into the ocean


      Before the advent of the Shuttles, the Apollo capsules only did what they splashed into the ocean
      1. Roman A
        +1
        20 March 2012 13: 46
        Tram boom
        Before the advent of the Shuttles, the Apollo capsules only did what they splashed into the ocean
        I meant joint flights to the ISS
    2. 755962
      +1
      20 March 2012 14: 37
      In this light, the complex system of high-precision aerospace-based weapons looks more than relevant. The recent test of the X-37B unmanned orbiter fits into this concept. According to military experts, this is the first step towards creating military robots capable of fighting in space. UAV X-37B - the real embodiment of the American concept of the possibility of delivering precision strikes anywhere in the world, precision global strike capability.

      Information that Washington is planning to conduct research is classified in space. So far the United States has only two copies of X-37.
      1. +1
        20 March 2012 14: 43
        in space it is forbidden to place weapons.
        1. Dmitry.V
          +2
          20 March 2012 18: 33
          California resident Dennis Hope declared himself the owner of all space objects in the solar system, except for the Earth and the Sun. And for a quarter century, not a single earthly court has been able to challenge Hope’s right to own the moon, Mars and Venus - simply because earthly courts have no jurisdiction to resolve such issues. Hope is the rightful owner of the planets of the solar system, because it is impossible to prove the opposite.
          1. -1
            20 March 2012 18: 54
            Quote: Dmitry.V
            simply because earth courts have no jurisdiction to resolve such issues. Hope is the rightful owner of the planets of the solar system, because it is impossible to prove the opposite.


            Newspaper duck. This option has long been enshrined in modern jurisdiction. The right to property cannot arise from anywhere - there must always be a source. Property can be bought, donated, bequeathed by someone. Just declare yourself the owner of Mars, based only on the fact that you first invented it not work.
            If the forum has lawyers, write it in a competent legal language.
            1. +4
              20 March 2012 19: 30
              Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
              Newspaper duck. This option has long been enshrined in modern jurisdiction. The right to property cannot arise from anywhere - there must always be a source. Property can be bought, donated, bequeathed by someone. Just declaring yourself the owner of Mars, based only on the fact that you first came up with this will not work.


              ... First, to sell any property, you need to own it. If the property does not belong to anyone, for example the Moon, it is necessary to own the property right to it. Contrary to popular belief that private ownership of cosmic bodies is prohibited, the "Agreement on the Moon and Other Celestial Bodies", signed in 1967 by UN member states, provided that neither one space body is not subject to national appropriation and, thus, did not deprive individuals and legal entities of such a right. In 1984, the UN tried to close this loophole by proposing the "Moon Agreement".
              This agreement prohibited the exploitation of extraterrestrial resources (which included ownership) by anyone, not excluding individuals and legal entities. But during the vote, only 6 UN member states out of 185 supported the Moon Agreement. Thus, most of the UN member states refused to sign this agreement. And it still makes sense. Just imagine if we found oil on the moon. Really we should have forbidden all mankind to use it. Of course not. In short, this "loophole" still exists.
              From the above, it follows that the cosmic body may belong to the one who first applied for registration and at this time there are no other applicants for this object. What does not belong to anyone can be taken for yourself. Dennis Hope noticed this loophole in the laws. In 1980, he applied to the appropriate California Department. The property was officially registered and the necessary documents were issued to prove its ownership rights.
              After that, Hope notified the administrations of the USA, China, USSR, UN, waited three years, as advised by lawyers, and began selling.
              The Lunar Embassy has been operating since 1980. Two AMERICAN PRESIDENTS bought PLOTS on the Moon from him. There was not a single problem with the law. The number of owners is growing every year. Perhaps in the near future the Lunar Embassy will create a Lunar REPUBLIC and take a place in the UN.
              http://www.lunarbaltic.lv/law_rue.html
  4. +1
    20 March 2012 15: 00
    The space reconnaissance and target designation system is a crucial thing ... one can only hope that this is understood in the Russian Defense Ministry as well.
  5. +6
    20 March 2012 20: 06
    Concerning the missiles of the "Caliber" complex.
    TFR... A direct analogue of the American Tomahawks were the SKR 3M-10 (RK-55) of the S-10 "Granat" complex (1984), D firing up to 3 thousand km, weight 1,7 t, V = 0,7 M, launch from TA, targets are ground. But this complex had only a nuclear warhead, so at the end of the 80s, according to the Gorbachev agreements, they were transferred to naval bases for storage.
    They were replaced by the S-14 "Caliber-PL" complex with the SKR 3M-14, the main difference of the new SKR was the installation on it not only of a nuclear, but also of a high-explosive fragmentation or cluster warhead weighing 450 kg. D firing 1300 - 3000 km (depending on the warhead), V = 0,8 M, weight 1,8 t, guidance of the INS, SNS and RLGSN. Flight profile 20 m above the sea, 50 -150 m above land.
    CRP... The 3M-54 was adopted as an anti-ship missile system (initially the Turquoise complex, then became part of the Caliber), the NCs with a developed air defense system are affected when the Onyx is not suitable. The mass is 2,3 tons, the sustainer stage gives V = 0,8 M, but the combat stage is made detachable and develops V up to 2,9 M to overcome the air defense. The flight profile is 20 m on the marching section and 10 m when approaching the target.
    PLUR... Another element of the "Caliber-PL" complex is PLR 91R ("Waterfall-2"). D rocket firing 50 km, weight 2,1 t, V flight P up to 2,5 M, warhead - a small-sized torpedo with D travel up to 20 km from V up to 50 knots. Total D max. up to 70 km (380 kb). But more than 50 km is not required yet, because this corresponds to the maximum detection ranges in the direction of the submarine - submarine.
    1. -1
      20 March 2012 20: 21
      SNA - satellite?
    2. Eugene
      0
      20 March 2012 20: 41
      Honestly, I have never seen that the Caliber has a possible launch range of 3000 km. Can the source be?
      1. 0
        20 March 2012 20: 52
        may he not fly at such a range the wrong profile and the wrong tasks.
        it's like comparing a machine gun and a machine gun, it’s kind of like but the ranges and tasks are different
        1. MURANO
          0
          20 March 2012 20: 55
          Quote: leon-iv
          may he not fly at such a range the wrong profile and the wrong tasks.

          Already flies and those tasks.
          1. 0
            20 March 2012 21: 22
            so for a second we are talking about caliber and 3000+ km or about something else.
  6. MURANO
    +2
    20 March 2012 21: 23
    Quote: leon-iv
    so for a second we are talking about caliber and 3000+ km or about something else.

    I'm talking about the KR 3M-14 complex Caliber. smile
  7. +5
    20 March 2012 22: 17
    SNS - satellite navigation system. The S-14 "Caliber-PL" is a deep modification of the "Granat" complex, and therefore it is not surprising that the range of the 3M-14 missile also has a maximum D limit of up to 3000 km. The data cited here by other authors - export missiles (with the prefix E), are not on them and SNS.
  8. +1
    20 March 2012 23: 57
    3000 km shit .... and that's good .... maybe I'm a maniac, but it got warmer right away ... (I also haven’t read about 3000 km anywhere)
  9. +4
    21 March 2012 15: 55
    I ask you not to confuse the strategic cruise missile (TFR) 3M-14, designed to defeat ground targets and therefore having a large firing range and satellite navigation, with an anti-ship missile (ASM) 3М-54, designed to destroy NK with strong air defense and having a firing range of up to 220 km.
  10. 0
    27 January 2015 20: 09
    It is a pity almost nothing about the current state of the system.

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