Chinese media: Scientists fleeing the Russian Federation have developed a fighter 6-generation "Hong Loon"

According to the Internet portal Inosmi.ru, Shanghai news published a material on the development of the PRC multi-purpose fighter "Hong Lun" ("Fire Dragon").

It is indicated that this machine belongs to the 6 generation of fighters and is the most advanced technology in its class. Advanced innovations applied to the aircraft relate to the pneumatic design, control system, radar, increasing the accuracy of fire on ground targets, equipment for repelling fighter attacks. The maneuverability of the machine allows you to perform "Cobra Pugacheva».

Reportedly, this breakthrough was made possible thanks to several dozen first-class scientists from Russia who went to China and worked there, despite the demands of Vladimir Putin to return them to their homeland.

(c) Connie Bransilver

On equipment of the car the advanced navigation system capable to function effectively in difficult meteorological conditions, at all seasons of the year, day and night, at sea and on land, consists. Auxiliary navigational aids include an inertial navigation system, a Doppler velocity and demolition meter, an automatic radio compass, a radio navigation (satellite) system operating at long distances; radio system of near navigation, the system for determining the mutual coordinates and the signal light.

The aircraft is equipped with an advanced weapons control system, and radar and optical laser systems are used, which make it possible to intercept and track a target during a battle using missiles. Control system weapons Includes a radar aiming system and a photoelectric navigation system.

Pulsed Doppler radar is responsible for detecting and tracking ground objects and air targets, including large air objects. It is capable of blocking several dangerous nearby targets. On the back of the product is installed special electronic equipment. The system of radar in the tip allows you to set the nationality of the object.

The antenna is capable of detecting from the front a fighter plane at a distance of about 150-180 km, and behind at a distance of up to 90 km, it also allows you to detect Tanks at a distance of 60-90 km, at a distance of 150-180 km notice a marine object. Aircraft radar is able to simultaneously track 20 air targets and simultaneously attack 8 nearby targets.

Comments

[Thrall]

A lie, in fact, a 7 ++ generation fighter

[DEPARTMENT]

It’s not sad to admit it, but promising scientists and designers are outbidding us and the development is different .. Although again, create “sharashki”! It is difficult for us to live and work especially scholars in Russia .. Oh Russia! It's a shame and sad ...

[jonhr]

why sharashka? free space in kb such as you can easily take. judging by the comments such as you understand almost all issues. and since the level of patriotism rolls over, you don’t have to pay a salary either. enough grocery cards. and if you play it big. not 6, but immediately a 100 generation fighter design. and do not drag out this process since the state is not obliged to feed you indefinitely

[Thrall]

Write me down with your father-in-law. Only a month later somewhere. We are a little busy right now - we are taking over the Baltic states.

[jonhr]

no problem. because, as they say, the Motherland will not forget about you, but it will never remember

[Andy]

We are waiting for a visit. roll through the little one.

[tol100v]

Quote: Andy

roll through the little one.

Why small?

[LSA57]

Quote: Thrall

We are a little busy right now - we are taking over the Baltic states.

Well, not all. leave me a piece. and I will give you a plot in Poland for release

[Omskgasmyas]

If treukh, padded jacket and kirzachi with footcloths are added to the cards, I also agree. Write me down in sharaga!

[DEPARTMENT]

Quote: jonhr

free space in kb such as you can easily take. judging by the comments such as you understand almost all issues. and since the level of patriotism rolls over, you don’t have to pay a salary

Well, I would go to the heads of the secret laboratory ...))))

Quote: jonhr

enough grocery cards. and if you play it big. not 6, but immediately a 100 generation fighter design. and do not drag out this process since the state is not obliged to feed you indefinitely

The party said it was necessary, the Komsomol replied there ...!
It’s time for us to switch to this, we are surrounded on the brink of war with the West again!
I except stock and not to liberal disputes ..

[Alstorm]

To implement what you propose, a revolution is needed. But in the current environment this is not possible. The temptation of capitalism is too great, and the oligarchs will not look at it through their fingers.

[tol100v]

Quote: AlStorm

need a revolution.

Thank God we are already undergoing a revolution, BUT, technical!

[LSA57]

Quote: jonhr

enough grocery cards

Still an Internet with Wi-Fi and VO. You can printer, but the flash drive will come down. this is not to forget ideas

[Juborg]

And I want you, alas, not respected jonhr, to take your ear and sun.

[DOC]

Well, then you immediately became the president of the Russian Federation ..

[KCA]

Who told you that? It’s even not at all that things have even been started up by civilian scientists, we have nowhere to park a car about 500 meters from the Joint Institute for Nuclear Research and you’ll go to hell on foot, very rarely there are VAZs, some foreign cars, and about military scientists, especially if on a promising topic, so there MNF without a degree for a hundred a month gets

[Gradus HuK]

... despite the demands of Vladimir Putin to return them to their homeland. I demand too! Somehow this is not capitalistic.

[rvRomanoff]

They recently invented the perpetual motion machine on which a hamster can be sent to space at the speed of light. Now here is the sixth generation airplane. Tomorrow they will invent endless rice. Although, after the lines about Putin’s will, behind the slanting Chinese eyes loomed a pigskin nickel who knows whom.

[tol100v]

Quote: GradusHuK

... despite the demands of Vladimir Putin to return them to their homeland.

There were no requirements. (Capitalistically). And I want to look at the request, and even more at ORDER!

[Aleks2048]

So that it would not be insulting and sad, it was necessary that in enterprises where a person is confronted with a state secret, on the one hand there should be a normal salary and social package, and on the other hand, the FSB should work out their bread - so that the scientists who left for the long ruble clearly understood that the dead do not need money and so that no illusions are built that relatives will receive the money.

[tol100v]

Quote: Alex2048

clearly understood that the dead do not need money

Not only scientists, but all traitors should KNOW! And tell everyone else in the other world where the devils will turn away from them!

[Galleon]

Think about the fact that these promising scientists initially worked in their homeland, but did not get the opportunity to realize their technical ideas and developments: they were overwhelmed by influential opponents from normal orders, salaries and grants, eaten up by schemers or spit on the "formed opinion". In general, what a marvelous illustration to the idea that Russians can be destroyed only by the hands of the Russians themselves.

[tol100v]

Quote: Galleon

In general, what a marvelous illustration to the idea that Russians can be destroyed only by the hands of the Russians themselves.

And who thought you so wise, Russian?

[bouncyhunter]

Something from this news smells of tabloid press ...

[Popovich]

rather sub-boulevard, yellowness and rushing ....

[Red_Hamer]

Just, before you, the Chinese approach to advertising, your (Chinese) defense industry!

[bouncyhunter]

Pretty clumsy and frankly false advertising, I must admit. Reminds an advertising campaign of the second half of the twentieth century in Matrasia around the notorious AR-15.

[Hammerlock]

this is how many people should have blamed ?! At least one design office
I wonder who they copied it from.

[bouncyhunter]

I have the impression that there are no more aircraft designers in Russia - everyone pulled into the Celestial Empire.

[LSA57]

Quote: Hammerlock

At least one design office

and in full force, up to the barmaid and the cleaners

[LSA57]

Quote: bouncyhunter

Something from this news smells of tabloid press ..

taken from there, or from the site of the agency OBS (One Grandmother Said) Hello Paul

[bouncyhunter]

Hello, Sergey !

Quote: LSA57

from the site of the agency OBS (One Grandmother Said)

Ltd ! This is a very "authoritative" source.

[LSA57]

Quote: bouncyhunter

Ltd ! This is a very "authoritative" source.

with a huge staff. and with a salary to employees in one pension

[tol100v]

Quote: bouncyhunter

Something from this news smells of tabloid press ...

Much worse. Skunks - have a rest!

[bouncyhunter]

I would even say: skunks nervously smoke on the sidelines and in Russian curse with envy.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Thrall

A lie, in fact, a 7 ++ generation fighter

do not trifle 25 ++++++

[LSA57]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

do not trifle 25 ++++++

No, you can 7, but of course there are more pluses

[Red_Hamer]

Very unusual An interesting Chinese approach to advertising your wunderwaffle. Since Russian weapons are a sign of quality, then the "Hong Lun" must have been created by the "Russian engineers"! And it doesn’t matter that the cut of eyes is different for these “Russians,” they, “Russians,” come from Siberia!

[Buffet]

And I also heard that the North Koreans landed their astronaut in the sun and he talked personally with Kim Il Sung.

[sanja.grw]

All the same, they built it

[warriordima]

The new Chinese super-weapon is the "escaped Russian scientists."))

[tol100v]

Quote: warriordima

The new Chinese super-weapon is "

This is a poorly copied Russian weapon; several lamps burned out in the "draloscope"!

[Alex_Rarog]

Damn, like the first of April has passed)

[not main]

Quote: Thrall

A lie, in fact, a 7 ++ generation fighter

Really! What is presented as TTX in the majority of the last century, or rather a set of "smart" words! So this is just an ordinary linden!

[kotdavin4i]

"It is indicated that this machine belongs to the 6th generation of fighters" ..... "The maneuverability of the machine allows the execution of the" Cobra Pugachev "." - Around the world, this is done by 4+ generation airplanes - and somehow they don’t take a steam bath anymore, but among the Chinese it’s a sign of the 6th ... Well, what can I say GOOD FELLOWS ....

[LSA57]

Quote: kotdavin4i

and among the Chinese it’s a sign of the 6th ...

and if Cobra does, then 7 + 8 +++

[zivXP]

Reportedly, this breakthrough was made possible thanks to several dozen first-class scientists from Russia who left for China and worked there.

If so, what are the reasons? Money?

[voyaka uh]

All specifications relate to 4 ++
or to the 5th generation.
It is not clear about stealth and cruising speed.

[Topotun]

Well, for them it is possible this is the 6th generation .... What are you clinging to the Chinese .....

[LSA57]

Quote: Topotun

What are you clinging to the Chinese .....

Yes, until recently, after each launch of a satellite, at least one and a half million people received a hernia

[iConst]

Quote: voyaka uh

It is not clear about stealth and cruising speed.

These parameters, kagbe, do not make sense. He moves through the transitions through zero space: Here he is three hundred kilometers from you, a second - and he’s behind you ten meters away, another moment - and he is already on the other end of the globe ...

[novel66]

impressed with the opus about the antenna "detecting a tank with 60 km"

[askort154]

voyaka uh .....All characteristics relate either to 4 ++ or to the 5th generation.

You flatter them. Almost all of the above, especially Doppler measurement of speed and drift angle (I'm bastard) are on the civilian armed forces from the 60-70s of the last century. It seems that someone pinned over the author, over a cup of Chinese moonshine.

[tol100v]

Quote: voyaka uh

It is not clear about stealth and cruising speed.

So it’s inflatable!

[NordUral]

The author does not write about the generation of technology.

[Engineer]

China does not have a normal 4 generation, and where they are up to 6. In addition, aircraft are not being designed with scientists. Here it is necessary to withdraw all TsAGI in full force, and a dozen more technologists, material scientists, engine engineers, etc., etc.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Engineer

China does not have a normal 4 generation, and where they are up to 6. In addition, aircraft are not being designed with scientists. Here it is necessary to withdraw all TsAGI in full force, and a dozen more technologists, material scientists, engine engineers, etc., etc.

You're wrong. I saw two janitors in a copper at a half liter, they invented a hypersonic tank ... And I must say after the second half-liter, the tank went to state tests.

[Smog]

Quote: NEXUS

after the second half liter, the tank went to state tests.

And can I clarify whether it came out in hypersound or on autopilot?

[NEXUS]

Quote: Smog

And can I clarify whether it came out in hypersound or on autopilot?

And without the afterburner, please note.

[gridasov]

An article with a very serious hint that a progressive school is being created to create its own high-tech aircraft manufacturing facilities. There is more than enough information to understand that those who carry the ideology of the Soviet school of aircraft construction are included in the process of creating the latest technology. And since the Chinese are more mobile and free to choose technical ideas, the pace of progress may be more advanced than in other countries.

[NordUral]

So the Americans once made fun of Japanese cars. What became then well known.

[gridasov]

Absolutely right! Moreover, I remember very well many of the Japanese innovative developments in the field of creating email. DC machines that are now replacing ICE. And for me it’s obvious. that many of their achievements are simply preserved until timely circumstances. I am even sure. that they are actually ready to transfer their vehicles to e-mail. cravings. This confidence is based on an understanding of the technologies that they used in these machines. In general, do not think that someone is dumber than us

[HEATHER]

I don’t understand! Where did the 9th generation get lost? Enough old stuff to throw out. 15 generation on the way. Two days ago I saw. After a couple of liters. . Flew. Near the balcony.

[NEXUS]

Quote: VERESK

Two days ago I saw. After a couple of liters. . Flew.

So the Russian designers who "escaped" apparently did so. They took a liter per capita, and after adoption, delighted the good and gullible Chinese.

[HEATHER]

NEXUS! My submission. I don’t understand anything.

[Uncle lee]

to the demands of Vladimir Putin to return them to their homeland.

Here are parasites, even Putin did not obey!

[Ivan Ivanov]

It’s possible to argue what was built, but the departure of scientists! Hello to the reformers !, in combination with the town for Antonovites in China, it’s especially insulting.

[gridasov]

This is not the worst. The fact is that the higher echelons of the scientific communities understand that we are on the verge of new technologies and any breakthrough idea can become a key source of development for decades to come. For instance. We are positioning a fundamentally new concept of an aircraft engine-aircraft turbine and for years we have remained out of the spotlight. At the same time, we justify all the processes at a level that not everyone dreams of. That is, a new technique for analyzing super-large mathematical data is positioned. Russia simply ignores the existence of such innovative ideas and the very possibility of their existence. But we are .. Therefore, a "roulette game" is taking place in the world - who can fall into the hands of certain innovative ideas, which can still be fundamental decisions. Moreover, you need to understand that the new YOUNG generation itself has already been born and is developing in a more dynamic information space, which means they just need to plant the idea so that it "blows up the world." And it’s not likely for me to educate many that the Chinese are very aggressive and simply conduct natural selection in the search for talent in the same education issue. At the same time, everything is done in Russia and America humanely and without stimulating the selection of young people according to their abilities

[NEXUS]

It is indicated that this machine belongs to the 6th generation of fighters and is the most progressive technique in its class.

Why not 10 generations then? Walk so walk!
I would like to hear the requirements for the 6th generation of destroyers.

[bouncyhunter]

Hi Andrey!

Quote: NEXUS

I would like to hear the requirements for the 6th generation of destroyers.

What are you doing? They are so secret that neither their customers, nor even the developers know them!

[NEXUS]

Quote: bouncyhunter

Hi Andrey!

Hello Pasha!
This all reminds me of the plot of the film with Evdokimov, when on the river bank his hero found a barrel of alcohol.

[bouncyhunter]

I agree ! And in the final of the film I caught the second.

[NEXUS]

Quote: bouncyhunter

I agree ! And in the final of the film I caught the second.

This fighter, apparently also with buckshot hats, will be able to shoot down on the ground.

[bouncyhunter]

Quote: NEXUS

This fighter, apparently also with buckshot hats, will be able to shoot down on the ground.

Kartech is the day before yesterday for such a letak. An air-to-ground rocket (if an aeroplane takes off) or a ground-to-ground missile in a hat-making factory - this is the scale!

[Thrall]

The sixth generation is when an uncontrolled “barrel” bomb hits the barrel 10% more in volume on the ground

[novel66]

complete invisibility including optical (technicians will have hemorrhoids, serve the invisibility!)

[NEXUS]

Quote: novel xnumx

complete invisibility including optical (technicians will have hemorrhoids, serve the invisibility!)

She will be invisible, even to her technicians. What are you! The 6th generation is not a bullet to you in sparrows. In my apartment, I know for sure, an 8th generation fighter is standing ... only the infection is invisible, and therefore I can’t find it.

[novel66]

it’s very difficult for a spouse to get into a sparrow, even theoretically

[Mountain shooter]

Meaningless fiction. Baseless and resembles a supersonic submarine - information also slipped through. Russian scientists flee to China? No, they don’t run. And it is a fact!
And this information is fake. And what about their 5th generation? That they did not qualify him?

[NordUral]

You are not looking at the numbers, but at the heart of the problem.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

the fifth generation is not yet mass-produced but there are already 6+
not even funny

[gridasov]

Generational separation is generally ridiculous because the fundamental principles of flight remain at the level of the nineteenth century. Elemental base. how the foundation of electronics remains at the same level as the old fundamental foundations. Therefore, there is no desire to prove or explain. While the Russians will breed demagoguery, the Chinese "tear the claws"

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: gridasov

Generational separation is generally ridiculous because the fundamental principles of flight remain at the level of the nineteenth century.

engineers would be surprised

[gridasov]

You believe that this is not an obvious fact that the blades in any turbine are located in the same way as in the primitive propeller. At the same time, the physical process itself proceeds according to an absolutely identical algorithm. In this case, neither in the turbine, nor on the screw and blades is used an extremely important physical effect, using which we fundamentally change the entire quality of the process. Therefore, before conducting a conversation with engineers, it is necessary to explain to all physicists and mathematicians that turbulent outflow processes must be analyzed using new methods for analyzing super-large data in which it is necessary to consider the movement of each point of the flow in local space and in the aggregate of all interaction groups.

[freddyk]

Well, as I understand it in the article, the emphasis is not on the fighter, but on "dozens of first-class scientists who escaped !!! from Russia"

[gridasov]

Drop these unhealthy runaway terms. In the courtyard of the 21st century, everyone, and especially talented people and real specialists, not only have the right to live and work in normal conditions. but also obliged to live a normal life in order to realize their full potential. And if the country in the person of their leaders is not able to evaluate the work of these people, then in other countries they understand their significance.

[freddyk]

Yes, no one argues, you are right. The term "escaped" is used in the article, and as if intentionally. Emphasizing in what terrible conditions experts work for us, that they are already fleeing to China

[gridasov]

So we really assess the situation. China is seriously raising the issue of educating the younger generation, while Russians and Ukrainians are doing it themselves without suspecting double work. The first is that which relates directly to the transfer of scientific and technical knowledge according to the methods of its SCHOOL and the one that relates to the education of young people in the spirit of familiarity with the peculiarities of the Slavic worldview. I don’t know how from Russia, but from Ukraine they are now also collecting teachers from schools and universities in all basic areas of knowledge.

[lance]

It seems that in China, scientists from Ukraine and the Russian Federation are one and the same. spoken language alone.

[Monster_Fat]

The cutting-edge innovations applied on the plane concern the pneumatic design,

"Inflatable" or what? The level of technical literacy who wrote directly is "off scale" ....

[NordUral]

Of course, our designers and scientists are not geniuses and other thieves for you. They don’t have to pay at all, let them die or live in poverty under the patriotic cries of the greatness of Russia by the patriotic liberals in power. Those for whom the Motherland is not an empty phrase, who has a core - they even work for this "our" power in Russia, and those without a core - they are looking for where you can live humanly. And China - there is a smart and popular government, not a couple of ours.

[bk316]

our designers and scientists

Our designers and scientists at the level of the head of the design bureau or head of the department of a specialized university, which you clearly have never seen before. To put it mildly, very non-poor people, in the mid-90s, most (and even not all) were in poverty. And now you are meeting with them for a glass of tea, they are kidding, they say that he left in vain then, it would be better if he suffered five years, although I am not a rogue.

[unignm]

what is jaundice?

[Retvizan 8]

... "It is reported that this breakthrough was made possible by several dozen first-class scientists from Russia" ...
Who is reporting?
Dozens of specialists? It would be an awesome scandal. The first time I hear about this.
It’s more like the work “Squeeze”: the Russian economy is collapsing, there is no industry, people are eating dandelions, scientists with design bureaus scatter in dozens and invent on the side the technology of the future!

[Bert]

Quote: Engineer

China does not have a normal 4 generation, and where they are up to 6. In addition, aircraft are not being designed with scientists. Here it is necessary to withdraw all TsAGI in full force, and a dozen more technologists, material scientists, engine engineers, etc., etc.

And what are not scientists at TsAGI? The article is correct in general. If we do not need brains, they go where they are in demand. The construction of aircraft is next to space technology. The hardest industry. I’m not only about the military but also the civilians that we released but then asked .... whether. all.

[Retvizan 8]

Mixed up nothing? This is by chance not from the outskirts, scientists dumped? And then we are talking about dozens of scientists.

[Overlock]

From 2003 to 2013, more than 1,5 thousand graduates left the leading university of the country, MIPT, abroad, 20% of each graduation. In the world market, $ 0,8-1 million is spent on training one university graduate in physics or mathematics (MSU spends $ 0,4 million). for only 10 years, only one Russian university gave the West a healthy life of about $ 1,5 billion. Plus, those who are forced to leave science and commerce.
President of the Russian Academy of Sciences (RAS) Vladimir Fortov in an interview with TV "Russia 24" said: "Our salaries are not comparable with those that are there, they differ by several times, and differed before the appreciation of the dollar against the ruble. Over the past year and a half, this segment has been the most painful for us; I thought that the outflow has increased. ”
The reason for the increase in brain drain is obvious: the imperative devaluation of the ruble is in the interests of raw materials, primarily oil companies, which compensate for their losses due to both ordinary citizens of the Russian Federation and non-oil sectors. Due to the devaluation of local currency, non-resource sectors in the Russian Federation are being phased out.

Russia ranks 32nd in terms of the share of GDP in research and development, after Tunisia immediately after Estonia, Brazil, and Hungary. The share of expenses on civil science in the federal budget expenditures of the Russian Federation decreased from 2,6% in 2013 to 1,9% in 2016.

[bk316]

On the world market, $ 0,8-1 million is spent on training one university graduate in physics or mathematics (MSU spends $ 0,4 million)

Do you have anything to do with MSU or just balabol? If you have, we can talk about brain drain and about the cost and about the quality of training (VMiK, MEHMAT)

[Overlock]

[i] [/ i] worked in 2 years. You do not like the academician's score or are you a balabol? Your university is not appreciated, so it is impossible to evaluate everything.

[polev66]

yeah, it's a pity that the engine’s resource is only there for take-off and take-off

[ultra]

The site is turning into trash!

[cariperpaint]

advanced navigation system ... it seems to me alone that this article smacks of yellowness /

[Berkut24]

So china! Everything is yellow there.

[viktor_ui]

And in the photo, apparently, the azm is the escaped Russian scientist ... apparently in the half-profile ... boisterous shmal

[Mikhail m]

From personal experience, all Chinese parameters should be multiplied by a correction factor from 0,5 to 0,005

[AID.S]

.... several dozen first-class scientists from Russia who left for China and worked there,

Is it really so incredible?

despite the demands of Vladimir Putin to return them to their homeland.

Officially, he didn’t seem to require it, so he always seemed to wait until the very end, that with partners, that with the Georgian, that with Ukraine.

[BAI]

If whole towns are being created in China for Yuzhmash and Antonov specialists, then why shouldn’t they lure Russian specialists as well? And tanks, and missiles, and planes, and ships - soon they will have everything.

[sir_obs]

[quoteOn the equipment of the machine is an advanced navigation system capable of functioning effectively in difficult weather conditions, at any time of the year, day and night, day and night, at sea and on land. Aids to navigation include an inertial navigation system, a Doppler speed and drift meter, an automatic radio compass, a radio navigation (satellite) system operating over long distances; short-range radio engineering system, a system for determining mutual coordinates and signal lights.] [/ quote]
When is the navigation system (if we are talking about modern technology) depended on the weather or time of day (well, if only the pulse-phase junk showed the devil what during sunrise and sunset)? And everything else that is listed there is generally used since the time of the king of peas.
They drive the blizzard.

[Berkut24]

It is indicated that this machine belongs to the 6th generation of fighters and is the most progressive technique in its class.

And what happened with the 5th grade, nothing went right away, immediately went to the sixth? Engines for the sixth class fighter also exported from Russia?

[demo]

Of course, I could be wrong, but!

Here are two images.
It seems to be both Chinese.
But one depicts an airplane not with the traditional Chinese Air Force identification marks.
This is most likely the US Air Force.
And why on the computer sketch layout published by the Chinese portal http://inosmi.ru/military/20170918/240295502.html this image for the article appeared - it is not clear.

[yehat]

according to the first picture, Sukhoi refused such aerodynamics during the development of the su-27 and there were reasons for that. The duck is more interesting, but it is also nothing new, and there is at least a little about stealth technologies.

[JonnyT]

Vova gives China a chance to survive in the war for the Asia-Pacific region.
USA Japan Taiwan do not sit back

[Altona]

Quote: DEPARTMENT

Oh Russia! It's a shame and sad ...

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Looking at the existing Chinese aircraft, I can say without irony that the Chinese “6th generation” is the 5+ generation, and the 5+ is all the same 4th generation stuffed into a duck fuselage with chopped wing contours. Why not irony, because they still have the Tu-16 as a bomber in service. Of course, they will make more modern aircraft, provided that these will be clones of existing ones. And by the way, what are the requirements for the 6th generation? Speed ​​for Mach 3? Let them show the engines and samples of the skin that can withstand it. Let them show a flier of Chinese blood, who can withstand an overload of 12-14g and a flight into the stratosphere. And to write that we brought scientists and they made us the 6th generation, as many as you want.

[kotuk_ha_oxote]

And what does not suit TU-16? Or life without a strategic bomb?

[Altona]

Quote: demo

Of course, I could be wrong, but!

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The top photo resembles the Nazi jet interceptors P60 Gota and Me163 Komet. For this, Russian scientists would not be needed at all.

[ODERVIT]

Nonsense. Those who are familiar with the ORC understand that if a hundred, a thousand had left, all the best Chinese minds had been attracted, the topic could not be raised. What is the development of a power plant. I do not believe.

[Antokha]

... "To dozens of first-class scientists from Russia who left for China and worked there, despite Vladimir Putin's demands to return them to their homeland." It seems to me that if Putin really demands, they will stand in front of him tomorrow morning. The Chinese lure, but remember Sikorsky. He was a genius in his field, but the branch does not live separately from the tree. Yes, success was, but Homeland has already produced new designers who were better. I do not think that the best leave because you cannot be the best when you have no principles.

[African]

You can talk about anything, but the fact remains, Silicon Valley, the operating systems are our programmers, who, even in the heyday of IBM, were pulled out for very decent money for work. In Europe, a lot of research institutes and companies in which they work and get very decent money, which Russian specialists cannot get here. There is no smoke without fire. Technologies are created only by specialists, and for these specialists the Russian State is obliged to create conditions so that they do not leave, and those who leave return back.
How to do it? Yes, everything is clear in principle: - creation of material conditions and patent policy. There are still nuances, but ..))

[yehat]

that is not all. For advanced developments, an appropriate technological environment and implementation prospects are already needed. And with this it was tight even in Soviet times.

[fzr1000]

Compared to the USSR, in Russia with the introduction of the pipe.

[Golub Ilya]

In the photo, apparently, one of the Russian scientists.

[Egorovich]

The 6th generation Chinese airplane is a complete, one hundred percent fawn. Rave. Want and be able to do different things.

[Seraphimamur]

This is the same news as: China invented a rocket engine that works contrary to the laws of physics. What is China's information about promising military developments that are state secrets published on the pages of the yellow press? Is it worth believing?

[Zomanus]

Well, no wonder. It would be better if they wrote that the Motherland offered them for their work and what China gave them.
It seems to me that in China they did not feel like losers-nerds.
And we will be awarded with a certificate for excellent work and a hand shake.
Well, maybe a medal will be handed over, while the same will be handed to the buffoon-singer by mouth.

[Bert]

Quote: Seraphimamur

This is the same news as: China invented a rocket engine that works contrary to the laws of physics. What is China's information about promising military developments that are state secrets published on the pages of the yellow press? Is it worth believing?

It’s worth it. A simple example China ordered 200 of the most modern brands from us, I don’t remember the planes. Having received 20 from the others refused. After a short time, China began to produce aircraft one-on-one, like ours, but named J. They do it just take it apart to the last screw and draw it and on their equipment use their engineers and workers to create an exact copy. But that's not all. In the process of copying, they study what was done before them and make their own changes that improve both individual parameters and the product as a whole. The finished capia of our T90 has an engine of 1500 liters. with. Well, a number of improvements. And the fact that TU 16 flies is still about nothing. To know soundly we did planes in due time. By the way, when he served in the Far East in 71, then they still flew with us. But in terms of equipment with electronic systems, they have no problems. They make computers and their elements. What are the problems with aircraft electronics. All his own. But we need to buy.
It’s not so much about money. Here we have who needed them? Even if we carry equipment for gas production and other things from over the hill ... Scientists are needed where the production of all ship planes, etc. is developed. And where only trade resources are needed, scientists are not needed at all. What order he will work all the foreign.

[Will]

Do you need those that you can just buy?

[l7yzo]

And having remained with us - 90% would have invented nothing. They would not be given the opportunity. We have forever sitting in the design bureau, who know everything better, would be kicked out with shame.
And even if they had invented, then most likely it would have gone under the cloth.
In general, we rarely have development going to the people. And so they remain with the military, and then, already through the west they come to us in national goods ...

[midshipman]

Comments on the article confirm the alarm. In my youth I was Ch. Designer of many systems listed in the list of this aircraft. Then he directed their creation at the level of the Head of the State Institution of one of the Defense Ministries. Ponder:
- More than 400 GA pilots left for China (reason: earnings and working conditions);
-Our specialists create an aircraft carrier of the People's Republic of China with aircraft such as Su-30 and board. equipment is similar to ours;
- By 2020, 2000 airdromes will be commissioned in China, and we do not have a program in this direction. In 1989, there were only 2 thousand airfields in the Russian Federation. Now there are 254 citizens. and 163 military;
-In China, in 2016, more than 1 million patents were issued and implemented, and in the Russian Federation about 30 thousand.
Today I held a meeting in one NTO of one of the research institutes (now I am the Scientific Secretary of the research institute) on the implementation of the R&D of one system that we created back in 1982. Specialists say (and this is an industry research institute) there is no one to work. Earnings are low. Here's what's going on in industry science. I think there will be changes soon. I have the honor.

[Dart]

That helicopter is unmanned, now the plane is .... today is not the first of April, dear newmakers. What audience is it for?

[APASUS]

The news is published on three sites and one of them is the Voice of Sevastopol. Does something tell me that we will not see the plane soon?

[Geisenberg]

Now let's see if he can take off with all this garbage on board)))

[tol100v]

Quote: Tol100v

relate to pneumatic design,

A duck filled with air. And that’s all.