Turkey offered Azerbaijan joint production of Altay tanks

Turkey and Azerbaijan negotiate joint production of Turkish main combat tanks Altay, reports ANN. Details of the Turkish proposal are not yet known. At the same time, the Azerbaijani Ministry of Defense is negotiating with Ukraine on the creation of several joint ventures to modernize obsolete armored vehicles. We are talking about enterprises for the production of BM "Bulat", BMPT-64 and BTR-4, lenta.ru

In the armament of the ground forces of Azerbaijan are about 350 tanks T-54, T-55 and T-72 of various modifications. Currently, the Ministry of Defense is considering several foreign proposals on the organization of the production of new tanks or the deep modernization of existing ones.

The Altay tank was created jointly by the Turkish company Otokar and the South Korean Hyundai Rotem based on the K-2 Black Panther. The Turkish Ministry of Defense intends to replace all outdated Leopard, M48 and M60 tanks with a promising vehicle. As expected, the delivery of Altay to the troops will begin in 2016.

The mass of the tank Altay will be about 60 tons. The machine will be armed with a 120-mm smooth-bore gun, a remote-controlled weapon module with stabilization and a machine gun of the 12,7 caliber of millimeter. About booking a tank so far nothing is known. Altay can reach speeds of up to 70 kilometers per hour. According to preliminary estimates, the cost of a new Turkish tank will be about 5,5 million dollars.

Comments

[domokl]

In the face of the slow integration of Azerbaijan and Turkey .. What we have been talking about for a long time in relation to Belarus and Ukraine is happening here quietly and without unnecessary victorious broadcasts .. The Turks are reuniting ...

[755962]

Well, it seems that this project will not be limited to one. Azerbaijan is also interested in the TR-300 Kasiri missile systems, Pars, Kirpi and Arma armored vehicles.

The TR-300 Kasiri long-range system is manufactured by Roketsan, which already supplies various types of missiles to Azerbaijan.

[domokl]

You are simply not in the topic .. This is not one project, this is ANOTHER project ... Add BMP, add aviation and small arms ... There remains only an agreement on the joint use of airfields and military bases ...

[Yarbay]

Alexander!
Well, the joint use of airfields and military bases does not need a separate agreement!
There is an agreement on strategic military cooperation, everything is spelled out there!

[MinNatSec]

Quote: Yarbay

There is an agreement on strategic military cooperation, everything is spelled out there!

correctly. and also signed a long time ago.

[Yarbay]

Ukrainian enterprises are interested in the Azerbaijani program to create a new tank based on old Soviet models, APA reports.

Last year, several meetings were held between the parties on this occasion, military sources said.

Ukrainians put forward a number of proposals for joint projects with Azerbaijan on the production of ammunition for military vehicles and the modernization of engines and transmissions.

The Ministry of Military Industry of Azerbaijan is currently considering the proposals, a detailed discussion is planned in mid-2012.

Ukraine has several projects for the modernization of obsolete Soviet tanks, including the creation of the T-64 Bulat, BMP-64 and BTR-4U.

[Yarbay]

Azerbaijan joins Turkish ATAK program

Azerbaijan and Turkey are planning to sign a joint contract for the production of an ATAC attack helicopter. The signing of this contract is expected by the middle of this year. The parties have already reached an agreement on the participation of Azerbaijan in the project.

To this day, representatives of the leading company in the project TUSASH several times visited Baku and discussed technical issues. Also last year, the defense ministers of both countries discussed cooperation on this project. Corresponding instructions for the implementation of cooperation were given. Azerbaijan has already placed orders within the country. Although the number of machines ordered is not specified, some military departments of the country have expressed interest in including ATAK helicopters in their inventory.

Note that the attack helicopter ATAK T-129, which should be produced by TUSASH in conjunction with the Italian company AgustaWestland. As part of the project, this helicopter was designed taking into account the geography and climate of Turkey. The helicopter will be equipped with the most modern avionics and weapon systems. According to some indicators, the ATAK helicopter is considered a more advanced machine than the AH-1 Super Cobra.

[David]

"Note that the attack helicopter ATAK T-129, which should be made by the TUSASH company together with the Italian company AgustaWestland "
Note that one Turkish investor company "GUNAL INSHAAT TIJARET VE SANAYI ANONIM SHIRKETI" (Turkey, Ankara), invested a considerable amount of money in the construction near Pushkin Square in Moscow and the result is known

[MinNatSec]

Don’t get excited. Someone will send you metal and the troughs written off. And if you ask the Kremlin well, maybe they will give something new. Just what will you pay?

You have 2 ways.

1) Create an entire guard Kim Kardashianov and a new market
2) or give Armenia to Russia. There is no other choice.

Money is being cut off from Europe.

[Kamila]

Quote: MinNatSec

1) Create an entire guard Kim Kardashianov

who uh need them ..? Have you read about the beauty contest in Armenia? here they are taxed .. (((

[David]

Camila, you're so vain
Omar, as a man, does not tell you everything. )))))))

[MinNatSec]

AZERBAIJAN AND TURKEY CAN SIGN AGREEMENT FOR PRODUCTION OF BATTLE HELICOPTERS
April 17, 2012 16:25 - Army. Read - 817 times

In the middle of this year, Azerbaijan and Turkey may sign an agreement on the joint production of ATAK combat helicopters. A preliminary agreement between the parties was reached after representatives of the Turkish company TUSA traveled to Baku to discuss technical aspects, Vesti.Az reports citing azeridefence.com.
In addition, last year the ministers of defense and defense industry of the two countries discussed issues of cooperation in the framework of this project. Several Azerbaijani enterprises have already expressed interest in participating in this project, which provides for a redesign of the T-129 attack helicopter jointly produced by the Turkish company TUSA and Italian AgustaWestland in accordance with the conditions of Turkey.
Such a modified helicopter is considered more perfect than the AH-1 Super Cobra.

Signed. They just let the duck in and don't spread all the info.

[Pharao7766]

So it’s time for Armenia to think very hard ...
Because she alone with Turkey will not hold out, and her reverence towards NATO is also not God knows what an attempt to protect herself.

[David]

Where is even stronger? )))
Yes, and you won’t stop thinking either http://rubsev.ru/2012/03/oleg-rusin-xodzhaly-i-srebrenica-istoricheskaya-pravda-

protiv-virtualnyx-genocidov /

[Kamila]

Quote: David

http://rubsev.ru/2012/03/oleg-rusin-xodzhaly-i-srebrenica-istoricheskaya-pravda-


protiv-virtualnyx-genocidov /

change the record ..... there are other pro-Armenian sites ... do you want to help, will I drop the link?

[David]

Try it)

[Kamila]

http://www.gandzasar.ru/nagorno-karabakh.htm

http://karabah88.ru/history/karabah/28.html

[David]

IIIiiiiiiiiiii?

[Kamila]

well read .... what do they write, what ii? you wonder ... I don’t.

[David]

I visited these resources without your prompts.
You wanted to ask why I do not refer to them, or what?
The fact is that I give a link to a specific article by Oleg Rusin: “Khojaly and Srebrenica: The historical truth against virtual genocides”, and not to all the material from that site.

[Kamila]

But how do these materials differ from your Rusyn?

[David]

Would be read, sorted out.

[Kamila]

I read...

[David]

Why are questions left?

[MinNatSec]

they were abandoned by everyone .. everyone got their lies. in everyone's throat they are like a stone. they do not allow them to develop in the region. We got everyone.

[Yarbay]

Maksim!
Armenia alone and not with Azerbaijan !!!!
It's time to really think !!

[VAF]

Quote: domokl

On the face of the slow integration of Azerbaijan and Turkey ..

Not certainly in that way!
Our guys again hoped for "maybe", but with these guys it doesn't work:
1.Our contract for the T-90 almost collapsed.
2. Aizers are going to take the Ukrainian Oplot.
3. Take our Mi-35, and 24 bring to the state of G-roughly speaking to Super Hide with the Yuarovtsy
4. The Belorus brothers are engaged in the modernization of air defense and so on and so forth.

That is, our Rosoboronexport again shows its "spinelessness" or follows someone's "clear instructions"?
I honestly don’t know, but I’m unpleasantly surprised by the news!

[Yarbay]

what about tanks is not true
T-90s purchased - the contract was signed at the end of 2011 !!
A stronghold, yes, too!

[MinNatSec]

Quote: Yarbay

what about tanks is not true
T-90s purchased - the contract was signed at the end of 2011 !!
A stronghold, yes, too!

Right.
Buy both. I will say even more, there are also other options. Consider for now.

[David]

So where?
Turkey has over 4 thousand.
You have around 1000 and are going to buy more?
You are about to deploy production.
"Great Turan"?

[Kamila]

Quote: David

You are about to deploy production.
"Great Turan"?

Are you so afraid? and?

[David]

Yes, I'm afraid.
There is too much blood on the Turks.
And they are too narrow-minded to carry "progressive" ideas.
They only know how to kill.

[Kamila]

Quote: David

They only know how to kill.

but they said they were loyal to the Turks ...

Quote: David

There is too much blood on the Turks.

well, no more than the Armenians, crusaders, or the same Germans of Nazi Germany ..

Quote: David

And they are too narrow-minded to carry "progressive" ideas.

smacks of chauvinism .... (((

Quote: David

Yes i'm afraid

afraid, then respect ...

[David]

No, Camila, I do not respect.
And I'm afraid - only in terms of grief that they can bring.
Chauvinism has nothing to do with it. Have you read the book "My name is red" by Orhan Pamuk?
Still in the palm of your hand.
Everything that is progressive in Turkey is brought into it by Europeans.
The two main achievements of Turkey in the letter I:
Janissary and Scimitar.

[Kamila]

Quote: David

Have you read the book "My name is red" by Orhan Pamuk?

yes, I read it, I wasn’t shocked ... I don’t understand why the prize was given ... there are much stronger writers in Turkey, they just don’t speak for Armenians and Kurds ... that’s the whole difference .. by the way he is not a Turk, but a Circassian. .

Quote: David

The two main achievements of Turkey in the letter I:
Janissary and Scimitar.

so can say a person who does not know well the Turks and the history of this country ..

[David]

Any other achievements?

[Kamila]

The history of the emergence of national baths dates back to the time when the Turks conquered Anatolia. Bringing their traditions to the Roman and Byzantine bathing culture, the Turks created a unique bath concept based on the Islamic cult of purity and respect for water. Over time, she turned into an established tradition, known throughout the world. The main feature of the Turkish bath is dry steam, which not only cleanses the body beautifully, but also has a therapeutic effect.

But, Hamam - it’s not much more than just a place for washing. Historically, Turkish baths were closely associated with everyday life, playing the role, expressed in modern language, of the club. Moreover, unlike club rules, Hamam erased (or washed away) social, age and other barriers between interlocutors, allowing you to fully enjoy communication. The doors of Turkish baths are open for both women and men, meaning at different times. The hamam was familiar to the Turks from the first weeks of life, since traditionally youngsters were bathed here soon after birth.

[David]

Wow )))))))

[Kamila]

and what did the Armenians create?

[Kamila]

Saddle and Stirrup

The horse’s equipment, as we now know it, is over. This was a great leap in the development of military affairs and transport. The cavalry’s combat characteristics improved: being in a hard saddle, and having support in the form of stirrups, the rider felt confident when cutting with a saber or archery.

Weapons were also modernized: the Türks made extensive use of the complex compound bow, which was invented back in the Hun period, the straight heavy sword was replaced by a crooked checker.

Before the riders of Asia, Europe and Africa, armed with spears and swords, did not know either a hard saddle or stirrups, and dispensed only with blanket and triangular litter. Antique architecture and murals, which could be seen by tourists who made tours to Turkey, depict a horseman bareback and stirrups.

[David]

Camila.
I about the same.
With military affairs, everything was fine.

[Kamila]

It should be noted that the diplomatic successes of Turkey boiled down not only to a review of the Straits regime. It is necessary to indicate some bilateral and multilateral diplomatic documents with the participation of Turkey, such as, for example, the Romanian-Turkish agreement of 1933 on friendship, arbitration and non-aggression, which preceded, along with other treaties, the creation of the Balkan Entente. This alliance of Greece, Romania, Turkey and Yugoslavia was concluded in Athens in 1934 with the goal of preserving the balance of forces that developed after the First World War in the Balkans (World War II put an end to this alliance).

An important place in the same list was taken by the Saadabad Pact of 1937, which issued the political bloc of Turkey, Iran, Iraq, and Afghanistan. It was signed at the Saadabad Palace of Tehran. The pact provided for the inviolability of common borders, the rejection of aggression, non-interference in internal affairs, etc.

Turkey was successful in resolving a territorial dispute with another recent military adversary, France, which had the League of Nations mandate to govern Syria and annexed the Alexandretga Sanjak (Hatay), which Turkey also considered to be its territory.

[Kamila]

Quote: David

With military affairs, everything was fine.

and Armenians with what business ..... everything is fine ???????

[Eugene]

About a straight sword - not the topic. A direct sword and a saber have different tasks. A sword is a universal weapon, a saber is only against unarmored opponents, it will not be taken with a direct hit. The direct sword was used not from the fact that the European knights were fools, but from the fact that it was possible to chop armor with a sword (although not very well, an ax and some other types of special weapons are better) and a peasant in a flaw. With the end of the era of armor, the direct sword also disappears.

Quote: Camila

compound compound bow

The thing is not bad, but the glory of the English longbow will be louder. As is well known, he also punched armor, however, the Turkic tribes did not have such a task, apparently.

[Kamila]

Turkey's success in the gold jewelry market


According to the Turkish Export Promotion Center (IGEME) in 2009, consumers from Arab countries and the United States preferred to buy Turkish gold. Last year was a record for the Turkish jewelry industry. Total gold jewelry exports totaled $ 1,1 billion. Turkey is now one of the three largest gold jewelry markets along with Italy and India.

The United Arab Emirates imported $ 348,9 million worth of gold from Turkey. In the United States exported jewelry worth $ 120 million. In addition to these countries, Germany, Iraq, Russia, Kazakhstan, Israel, Italy, Azerbaijan and Libya imported gold products from Turkey. In 2008, jewelry worth a total of $ 1,6 billion was exported from Turkey. In the general list of jewelry markets in the world, Turkey ranks 11th.

[David]

Turkish know-how too
http://rubsev.ru/2012/03/oleg-rusin-xodzhaly-i-srebrenica-istoricheskaya-pravda-
protiv-virtualnyx-genocidov /
Since 1989, when Turgut Ozal became president, the crowding out of official Turkish ideology (Kemalism) began. Kemalism was replaced by neo-Ottomanism (new Ottomanism), which suggests that the Turks have historical responsibility for the Ottoman heritage and must protect the interests of countries formerly belonging to the Ottoman Empire. By a strange coincidence, all the territories that were ever part of the Turkish-Ottoman Empire (Iraq, Bosnia, Kosovo, Libya) were used by the Americans to dispose of their nuclear waste and are now radioactive trash. But the Turks are clearly not going to stop there. After all, the structure of the Turkish-Ottoman Empire once included Syria and Crimea. So, in accordance with the doctrine of "neo-Ottomanism", the Turks will also "defend their interests" according to the Iraq-Yugoslav-Libyan scenario.
In conclusion, a few words should be said about Syria. In 1990, a decaying socialist bloc limited its economic assistance, and therefore, Syrian leader Hafez al-Assad began to draw closer to the West for pragmatic reasons. Indicators of this new course were a meeting with US President Bush in Geneva in November 1990 and support for the West Islamist-Zionist alliance in the war against Iraq. Even after the malevolent Saddam Hussein fired on Scud rockets in Israel, Syria said it would remain in the anti-Iraq coalition with Israel. Presumably, American submarines in the Mediterranean Sea launched Tomahawk missiles into Iraq through Syrian airspace. In total, Syria sent and placed under the command of the Allies 19.000 people, more than 50.000 people were stationed next to the Syrian-Iraqi border. Three weeks after the start of the bombing, Saddam Hussein, realizing that something needs to be done and tried to inflict a flank attack on coalition troops in northeastern Saudi Arabia, however, the Syrian military contingent was February 5, 1991. powerful artillery fire forced the Iraqis to retreat. Thus, the Syrians fought shoulder to shoulder with the Americans against the Iraqis ... After 12 years, Syria opposed American aggression, but that no longer mattered. An easy American walk to Baghdad in 2003 was made possible by the Desert Storm, which completely destroyed Iraq’s military and industrial potential. Now the secular state of Syria has become the main target of NATO-Islamic aggression. This is an inevitable retribution for the fact that Hafez al-Assad (father of the current Syrian leader Bashir al-Assad) made his country an accomplice in unleashing the Third World War.

[Kamila]

I am not impressed by this Rusyn ... he is a clear chauvinist, anti-Islamic ... ridiculous to refer to him ... !! give independent sources!

and you never answered ... what did the Armenians create ?? something that belongs only to them ???? and?? is it really only armenikum? cure for HIV ??

Armenikum is a fiction. He’s never been a cure for HIV immunostimulant. Applied therapy is quite effective for fighting colds ...

[MinNatSec]

Only Armenians can love Russians, and at the same time splash sulfuric acid in Miss Russia.

Only Armenians can adore their country and at the same time leave it.

Only Armenians can claim all the lands of their neighbors.

Only Armenians can hate Turks and at the same time marry their women to them (I am silent about prostitution)

Only Armenians can be Christians and bear the names of Allahverdyan.

Only Armenians can talk about the outpost of Christianity, and they themselves can be friends with Iranian, Lebanese, Syrian terrorists.

Only Armenians can speak the language where there are 3 thousand Turkic words, and say that they are Armenian.

Only Armenians can say that Yerevan is their capital when, according to Efron and Brohepuzen, 90 percent of Azerbaijanis lived there at the beginning of the century.

[Eugene]

Do the Turks?
Of course - they destroyed the last European civilization of the Ancient World - Byzantium.
Moreover, Hagia Sophia was rebuilt into a mosque.
Does it look gorgeous against the background of ancient mosaics?

And then for another 400 years, the Slavs were oppressed and slaughtered in the Balkans and carried out all kinds of expansion to Europe, thank God they were first given a light at Lepanto, and then they were trampled from other places.

[David]

And so, in general, nice, kind and helpful people)))))

[Eugene]

Modern, it’s nothing, I normally talked with them, drank coffee.
They even talked about literature.
Russians (not cattle tourists) are respected, Bulgarians are not considered people.

[MinNatSec]

Quote: David

"Great Turan"?

History has always been repeated. And Great Turan will come. So don’t worry. This time it is necessary to arrange genocide for real so that our grandchildren and grandchildren do not live like we, tormented by double standards.

[David]

History always repeats itself.
How (If) comes - and leaves)))))
Only this time, for good ...

[synchrophasatron]

Quote: David

History always repeats itself

5-6 more such repetitions and we will have no one to discuss with

[MinNatSec]

Quote: veteran.air force

2. Aizers are going to take the Ukrainian Oplot.

NOT ISISERS but Azerbaijanis. Learn to spell nationality.

Quote: veteran.air force

The Belorus brothers are engaged in the modernization of air defense and so on and so forth.

right and the Ukrainians are working on air defense and pilots.

Quote: veteran.air force

1.Our contract for the T-90 almost collapsed.

If you do not know, then the T-90 and OPLOT are going to buy.

[Eugene]

Why 2 types of tanks of the same generation and at the same time very different in spare parts

[David]

So scary))))
In Azerbaijan, "a good show is more expensive than money")))))

[MinNatSec]

Quote: David

In Azerbaijan, "a good show is more expensive than money")))))

FOR PONTS, we have a steeper car. Tanks bought to arrange you a real genocide and not a lie. All Turks will participate.

Answer for Khojaly.

[CCCP1980]

V OSMANSKUYU IMPERIU RVUTSYA

[David]

"Great Turan" in action http://rubsev.ru/2012/03/oleg-rusin-xodzhaly-i-srebrenica-istoricheskaya-pravda-
protiv-virtualnyx-genocidov /

[MinNatSec]

It’s a pity to look at you. A little news, run with some kind of pathetic links. One barely barely 2 word can not express in Russian and the other with cheap links.

Calm down comrades hai.

What do you think, Khojaly will get away with you?

[David]

http://rubsev.ru/2012/03/oleg-rusin-xodzhaly-i-srebrenica-istoricheskaya-pravda-
protiv-virtualnyx-genocidov /
The Azeri-Turkish version of the Khojaly genocide, circulated by the world media with the help of the Baku petrodollars, states: “during the capture of this city in one night ... 613 civilians were killed with particular cruelty, including 63 children, 106 women, 70 old people.” However, Khojaly has never been a city. It was a village, which in 1990 was artificially turned into a city at the expense of Azerbaijani immigrants from distant regions and 465 Meskhetian Turks who fled from the Ferghana Valley. In addition, Khojaly was just stuffed with Grad and Alazan rocket and rocket launchers, armored vehicles and artillery, from which destructive shelling of Armenian settlements was carried out, including the NKR capital, Stepanakert. Two months before the assault, Azerbaijanis were invited by radio communication to withdraw civilians from the village. The authorities of Azerbaijan partially fulfilled this proposal, having evacuated a number of Azerbaijani women, children, old people, patients and livestock by helicopter, but then the decision to evacuate was sabotaged, soldiers and their families, adult men, and Meskhetian Turks remained in the city. According to entries in the diary of the Khojaly chief executive Elman Mammadov as of February 22, 1992, the population of Khojaly was 1.000 people [What are the diary entries of Elman Mammadov // karabah88.ru]. However, it is not clear whether Mammadov was included among the “1.000 people” of the Meskhetian Turks or not. What fate was destined for refugees from the Ferghana Valley, it becomes clear during the reconstruction of the “Khojaly events”:
1st event: On the night of February 25-26, 1992, Armenian units, attacking from three directions (Mehdishen, Novy Nyuragyukh and Kyatuk) and leaving the northeast corridor open for civilians to exit, took Khojaly. Soldiers with part of the peaceful Khojaly people retreated along the humanitarian corridor. The remaining 700 people in the village (including 300 Meskhetian Turks), for various reasons, could not leave Khojaly, were transported to Stepanakert and on February 28, without any preconditions, transferred to the Azerbaijani side. In addition, on the day of the operation, 47 Armenian hostages were in Khojaly, of which only 13 were found after the assault, including 1 child and 6 women. The remaining 34 hostages and 165 Meskhetian Turks were taken away by Azerbaijanis retreating along the humanitarian corridor. Also, after the capture of Khojaly, Armenian troops found eleven corpses of civilians there (naturally, without taking into account the dead members of armed groups dressed in military uniforms). Judging by the characteristic wounds, they died during the shelling preceding the offensive.
2nd event: The topographic map shows that there is only one road from Khojaly to Askeran, resembling a kind of tunnel and which is covered by 600-800-meter mountains on both sides. Trying to cross such mountains in winter and at night is tantamount to suicide, so the Khojaly residents traveled to Askeran along the humanitarian corridor. But it was near Askeran that it became clear that the fanatic-pan-Turkists did not strive for the liberation of the Khojaly, but for more blood on the way to the overthrow of Ayaz Mutalibov. The people of Abulfaz Elchibey, located in Agdam, told the refugees via a walkie-talkie that the Armenian village of Nakhichevanik was “recaptured from the militants” and ordered the refugees to go southeast. A small part of the Khojaly residents refused to obey this order, bypassed Askeran on the right and, walking along the humanitarian corridor (along the road along the Karkarchay river bed), safely reached Agdam. NFA soldiers drove the remaining refugees to Armenian positions between Shelley and Nakhichevanik.
3rd event: Armenian militias confirm that a group of retreating Khojaly residents unexpectedly turned towards Nakhichevanik and caught the villagers defending the village by surprise. As a result of this attack, two people were killed and 10 defenders of the village were wounded. After the Azeris destroyed one of the Karabakh posts, other posts opened machine-gun fire to kill, not making out in the predawn twilight who was who in the crowd approaching them, from where the fire was also coming. Detachments under the command of Shin Mirzoyev and Yagub Rzayev [Who is responsible for Khojaly? // karabah88.ru] moved to “help” the Khojaly people from Aghdam. As a result of the crossfire, part of the Khojaly residents also died, and the Armenians managed to knock out two tanks, one of which was the son of Yagub Rzayev, Dzhanpolad, who was posthumously awarded the title of “national hero of Azerbaijan”. Subsequently, the Armenian side admitted that as a result of this confusion, a mixed military-civilian convoy was destroyed: “... the soldiers of the Azerbaijani national army decided to break through with battles, taking with them part of the residents. According to the NKR law enforcement bodies, the death toll on the way from Khojaly to Aghdam is 200 people, including about 40 soldiers of the Azerbaijani army. The NKR authorities are ready to exchange 100 captured Azeri soldiers for Armenian hostages ”[Nezavisimaya Gazeta, March 5, 1992]. This event can in no way be recognized as a “war crime”. First, part of the Khojaly residents died from the “friendly fire”. Secondly, at the posts near the village of Nakhichevanik there were people who daily lost their relatives and friends during the shelling of Stepanakert and surrounding villages. Therefore, their actions can be regarded as a blood feud. Thirdly, the Azerbaijani soldiers covered themselves with a “human shield”, which the Armenians were forced to destroy, exercising their right to self-defense. But the tactics of "human shields" are prohibited by the 1949 Geneva Convention, and therefore the Azerbaijani side bears responsibility for the deaths of civilians near Nakhichevanik. One more fact is worthy of attention: those people (Shirin Mirzoev, Allahverdi Bagirov and Yagub Rzayev), who “rushed to the aid” of the Khojaly people from Aghdam, subsequently died under mysterious circumstances.
4th event: What happened to that group of refugees who managed to break through Shelley to Agdam? According to Czech journalist Dana Mazalova, who saw a genuine video of Chingiz Mustafayev on February 28, 1992, Azerbaijanis shot their Meskhetian Turks here and threw them to die. Then, various bodies were manipulated with the bodies of the Meskhetian Turks and the bodies of machine-gun victims between Nakhichevanik and Shelley to represent them as victims of “Armenian fascism”: barbed wire binding, point blank shots, knife wounds, crushing skulls with ax blows, scalping, gouging eyes cutting off fingers and ears, etc. Part of the corpses were taken to Agdam by truck and helicopters. Perhaps it was then that 34 Armenian hostages (women and children), taken away from Khojaly, were killed. As George Deev wrote about this, “it is obvious that those who wanted to create the appearance of desecration of corpses by Armenians disfigured, first of all, precisely the bodies of the Armenian hostages so that they could not be identified. For this purpose, the outer clothing was removed from many corpses, and it was for this reason that the bodies of the unfortunate victims were abused, which changed them beyond recognition. ” On March 2, 1992, fifty mutilated bodies, including thirty corpses of women and children, were shown to Western journalists. This video became the reason for Ayaz Mutalibov’s resignation and changed the information coverage of the Karabakh conflict in favor of Azerbaijan. Cameraman Chingiz Mustafayev, amazed by the changes in the state of the corpses, began his own investigation and managed to send only two materials to the DR-Press news agency in Moscow, informing him of the grounds for suspecting the Azerbaijani side of the crime, but was killed in June 1992 under suspicious circumstances. What really happened near Agdam is impossible to say, since the territory on which the disfigured bodies were shown to reporters was under the complete control of the Azerbaijani troops. But one thing is for sure: now Azeragitprop summarizes all the military and civilians who died at different times and in different places (the assault on Khojaly, who died from frostbite and hypothermia during the transition, the battles between Nakhichevanik and Shelley, the Agdam events) and gets a very spectacular “ equals ”:“ Armenian fascists in one night wiped out the city of Khojaly from the face of the Earth and killed 613 unarmed Azerbaijanis ”. This “Khojaly arithmetic” also somewhat resembles Srebrenica. In the cemetery in Potochari, where, according to the official version, the victims of the “genocide July 11-22, 1995” are buried, they are actually buried:
1) Muslims killed in Zvornik and Bratunac in 1992,
2) Muslim Mujahideen who died in the battles of 1992-1995,
3) the Serbs killed by Mujahideen Nasser Orich in 1992-1993,
4) victims of a shootout between supporters of the defense and supporters of the retreat from the city on July 11, 1995,
5) soldiers of the 28th division who died during the breakthrough,
6) it is not known who shot in Branievo and even
7) Muslim soldiers secretly exhumed in various parts of BiH, transported and reburied in eastern Bosnia, publicly exhumed as “victims of genocide” and again reburied at the cemetery in Potochari as “victims of genocide”!

[Kamila]

Quote: David

http://rubsev.ru/2012/03/oleg-rusin-xodzhaly-i-srebrenica-istoricheskaya-pravda-

protiv-virtualnyx-genocidov /

you stuck on this site ... !! come up with a new thread ..

[MinNatSec]

Kamila Khanum, he will do everything in order not to answer my questions, he will spread all kinds of nonsense, so that the truth that I spread will somehow merge with his noodles. But still it won’t help.

Everyone already understands who is who. The parliament has already kicked them.
The State Department has reduced alms.

[David]

Write your questions in PM.
I'm already tired of chasing you in different branches.
You spit in your eyes - all God's dew

[itr]

It’s interesting how they’ll drive around in the mountains on a 60 ton tank

[fuad-m7]

and you look at it and you will understand how to drive http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJwveDxGt60 on these 44 ton tanks in the mountains

[David]

Beautiful movie))

[MinNatSec]

Quote: David

Beautiful movie))

God grant our tanks will ride in Karabakh. Amine.

[MinNatSec]

Quote: itr

It’s interesting how they’ll drive around in the mountains on a 60 ton tank

the mountains will fly.
will be fired by peonies, howitzers, tornado, dot-y, Israeli RZO and so on.

Further, Azerbaijan purchased Israeli clearance equipment. And then we will find something to ride on our land.

[Eugene]

What about aviation? EW?

Point-U? Why is this junk? Would buy Iskander-E.

[MinNatSec]

Quote: Eugene

Would buy Iskander-E.

Buy :) We will buy everything.

[YARY]

The name of the tank warps !! Hint?
And the fact that azerbots with the Turks is not so surprising, their own, their raven is a crow ...

[kNow]

write the name of the people correctly, do not run into rudeness

[MinNatSec]

Already wanted to open my LEXICON)))))))

[Yarbay]

Andrey, if you do not want to disrespect yourself, then have respect for others and write the names of the people for what they are!

[MinNatSec]

Quote: Ardent

And the fact that azerbots

learn to call the nation correctly

[SAMEDOV SULEYMAN]

Quote: Ardent

YARY

Andrei, you really didn’t understand why? Seen to be smoked! You don’t understand anything, you write incorrectly, you are misinterpreting the words, in one word x - you make a nude!

[dred]

apparently the tank will be expensive since the Koreans K2 turned out to be very expensive.

[MinNatSec]

Quote: dred

apparently the tank will be expensive since the Koreans K2 turned out to be very expensive.

We do not care. One million more, one less. Here they sent a million to Afghanistan to feed their army somehow.

[Eugene]

I am glad for you that there are dumb oligarchs, and in general to the people. But by and large, we, too, have nothing to be proud of - up to 60% of your export is crude oil. And another 25 percent of other petroleum products.

[David]

Is it in Azerbaijan then to the people? )))))
By analogy with Russia, is this the people that live in Moscow City? )))

[Yarbay]

Eugenny where did you get this information ??
She's out of date long !!
High oil prices helped Azerbaijan accumulate significant foreign assets, both in the State Oil Fund and in the CBA reserves.

This is stated in the statement of the International rating agency Moody's Investors Service, distributed on Friday, Trend reports.

The country's strategic foreign exchange reserves amounted to $ 2011 billion by late 40 (75 percent of GDP).

Moody's believes this level of overseas assets will help protect the Azerbaijani economy from future adverse impacts from internal and external shocks. Moreover, the agency expects an increase in the state's reserves in the coming years.

"With a break-even price of about $ 56 per barrel (the price per barrel of oil needed by the general government to balance its budget), Azerbaijan could withstand a steady drop in world oil prices without seriously deteriorating its financial and debt performance," in the message.

As for the second factor, large government spending on infrastructure and the creation of new industrial enterprises increased the non-oil sector of the economy from 7,9 percent in 2010 to 9,4 percent in 2011. Such high rates helped the economy avoid a sharp decline in GDP amid falling oil production in 2011.

High levels of government investment in sectors such as social infrastructure, construction, and the services sector will continue to be a key driver of non-oil sector growth. The agency believes that high government revenues should continue to support further development and diversification of the economy.

"The stable outlook reflects the strong financial position and the direction of oil revenues to diversify the economy," the statement said.

Moody's Granting New Rating Raises Upper Limits on Azerbaijan's Domestic and Foreign Currency Bonds and Deposits
"This decision was caused by two main factors: the continuing strengthening of the state's financial position, which is reflected in the rapid increase in foreign assets of SOFAZ (State Oil Fund of Azerbaijan) and the Central Bank of Azerbaijan, as well as in the strong development of the country's non-oil sector in recent years as a result of investment activities of the state. and efforts to improve the business environment and diversify the economy "

[Olegovich]

According to Rostekhnologii, negotiations are currently underway to supply T-90 tanks to Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan and Indonesia. At the same time, the Russian military department refused to purchase the T-90. According to the calculations of the Russian Ministry of Defense, upgrading the T-72 to the T-90 level will cost three to four times cheaper than the new T-90. In addition, in the interests of the department, a universal Armata platform is being developed, on the basis of which a new tank will be created for the Russian Armed Forces.
Lenta.Ru
The cost of the T-90S is approximately 4,16 million dollars.

[nnnnnnnnn]

Quote: Olegych

According to Rostekhnologii, negotiations are underway to supply T-90 tanks to Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan and Indonesia.

As far as I know, Kazakhstan has refused to buy the T-90, the modernization of the tank fleet will be carried out jointly with Russia, and negotiations are underway to purchase the Oplot tanks in Ukraine. The contract for the purchase of the T-90 fell through after criticism of the T-90 NGSH RF.

[Hauptmann emil]

It seems to me all the same, a deep modernization of Soviet tanks will cost less than buying new ones from Turkey. And besides, Turkish is a completely different weapons and military equipment, i.e. NATO standard. It will cost more.

[DeamonFIre]

Cheaper then it is cheaper ... but politics is politics ...

[MinNatSec]

Yes, one million more or less, somehow the treasury of Azerbaijan does not make the weather.

[Yarbay]

The fact is that the armed forces have already switched to NATO standards!
in 2007 ohm ended !!

[Yarbay]

The fact is that the tank Emil does not buy from the Turks! And co-production begins!
I think you understand the difference !!

[uladzimir.surko]

And please list what Azerbaijan produced?

[David]

Pomegranate juice))))))))

[MinNatSec]

Quote: David

Pomegranate juice))))))))

Better all the same than any Kim Kardashian

[David]

Are you on the move?
Oh, Omarchik? ))))
Envy blackman
You, like, women, nothing like that
Not all of course))))

[synchrophasatron]

Quote: David

Envy blackman

is that on Kim Kardashian? David, others in your place would hang themselves with shame ... And you are proud

[MinNatSec]

Quote: synchrophasatron

is that on Kim Kardashian?

Who just didn’t lie on it.

Quote: synchrophasatron

David, others in your place would hang themselves with shame ... And you are proud

Are you surprised? I am not a gram. If they had a conscience and honor, they would either be silent about genocide, or they would not go there to earn money.

[David]

In place of Omar, all the more knowing that Camila is watching this thread, I would certainly be ashamed to spread naked women and men.
But dignity, you can’t teach him.
It is either there or it is not.

[Kamila]

Quote: David

You, like, women, nothing like that
Not all of course))))

On April 10, Yerevan will host the Miss Armenia 2012 contest, which will be attended by girls aged 18-24.

According to the terms of the competition, the height of applicants for this title must be at least 170 cm with the corresponding model data. However, the materials from the qualifying rounds that appeared on the Internet greatly disappointed fans of female beauty. In social networks, Armenian users, actively discussing the photos of the girls, mostly expressed their disappointment with the external data of the candidates for the high title of "Miss Armenia".

Note that the winner of the competition will receive a ticket to "Miss Universe 2012".


Details: http://novostink.ru/armenia/32615-konkursantki-miss-armeniya-2012-razocharovali-
poklonnikov-zhenskoy-krasoty.html # ixzz1sekTjfEe

[MinNatSec]

Azerbaijan produces 413 types of defense products.
Cotton, oil, gas, agriculture, and much more. Chemical industry, non-ferrous metals. All you want. Even makes cars.

[SAMEDOV SULEYMAN]

My friends! Approach this issue from a different angle, because the production of modern military equipment (not deep modernization, but production) is primarily new technologies, production capacities, a new approach to training personnel, new jobs and, of course, the defense capability and independence of Azerbaijan. The leadership of the republic is leading the economy to deep modernization. Not only energy resources, but above all new technologies and joint ventures of the defense industry (which includes the whole spectrum of the latest technologies) is the future of the republic. And it is not surprising that the so-called petrodollars are actively working in this direction. Recently, a contract was signed with Ukraine for the joint production of space satellites. I am very happy about this and it is nice when friends and good neighbors are happy about it, and the rest are on my drum!

[SAMEDOV SULEYMAN]

I’ll acquaint you friends, about other contracts for joint production in the defense region — 1 — between Azerbaijan and Turkey it is planned to sign a joint contract for the production of an ATAC attack helicopter. The signing of this contract is expected by the middle of this year. The parties have already reached an agreement on the participation of Azerbaijan in the project.

To this day, representatives of the leading company in the project TUSASH several times visited Baku and discussed technical issues. Also last year, the defense ministers of both countries discussed cooperation on this project. Corresponding instructions for the implementation of cooperation were given. Azerbaijan has already placed orders within the country. Although the number of machines ordered is not specified, some military departments of the country have expressed interest in including ATAK helicopters in their inventory.

Note that the attack helicopter ATAK T-129, which should be produced by TUSASH in conjunction with the Italian company AgustaWestland. As part of the project, this helicopter was designed taking into account the geography and climate of Turkey. The helicopter will be equipped with the most modern avionics and weapon systems. According to some indicators, the ATAK helicopter is considered a more advanced machine than the AH-1 Super Cobra. 2- The management of Zastava Arms signed a contract with Azerbaijan on the transfer of technology for the production of weapons.
According to the MNP, in accordance with the contract, in the next three years, Zastava Arms will build and equip a small arms factory in Azerbaijan. This is the first export agreement concluded by Arms Outpost this year. According to statements, it is planned to conclude a number of other arms contracts with foreign partners. In March of this year, Zastava Arms also signed a contract for 400 million dinars for the supply of weapons for the Serbian Army. 3- Ukraine is interested in developing cooperation with Azerbaijan in the aerospace industry.
According to 1news.az, the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine Viktor Mayko stated this in Baku during an Azerbaijani-Ukrainian business meeting. According to him, in particular, Ukraine is ready to take part in the implementation of the program for the development of the space industry. “Cooperation between the countries in this area implies not only the establishment of interconnections between the state-owned enterprise Ukrkosmos and OJSC Azercosmos. We propose to organize the production of satellites in Azerbaijan, which implies the creation of related industries in the country - components, etc., ”V. Mayko said.
4-In 2012, the Radiogurashdirma enterprise of the Ministry of Defense Industry of the country will begin production of combat helmets and body armor under the license of the Jordanian company NP Aerospace Jordan in Azerbaijan, Azerbaijani media reported.

A contract has already been signed for the supply of raw materials to "Radiogurashdyrma", whose employees have passed the appropriate refresher courses, including at the enterprises of "NP Aerospace Jordan". A production site has been created at the enterprise, where the first products have already been tested.

An agreement between MNP and the Jordanian Design Bureau was signed in May 2010. The 5th Israeli Aerospace Industries Corporation (IAI) signed an agreement with Azerbaijan on joint production of UAVs.

[Eugene]

Suleiman, let me ask you a first-hand question, but how is the Russian language in Azerbaijan now? Many still know? If you ask, they will understand on the streets? Is it taught in schools?

[Kamila]

I can answer ... a fine state with the Russian language, it is full of Russian schools, the old generation certainly knows, but the young generation also speaks Russian well ... Russian speech is very often heard on the streets, which you can hardly find in other former republics ... ...

[Eugene]

Thank you Camila. Honestly, I have long wanted to see your country. If you can tell and it’s not difficult for you, tell me in a personal place where to visit and what to see.

[MinNatSec]

Quote: Eugene

where to visit and what to see.

You do not have enough months to see all the beautiful places in Azerbaijan. It depends on what you like. Nature, architecture, the beach, hunting, fishing, driving on autobahns, Baku can offer a lot of things.

[synchrophasatron]

There is a Russian school in every city. There is a Slavic University in Baku, a branch of the Lomonosov Moscow State University. In Azerbaijani schools, you can choose Russian, English, French as a foreign language. In the capital, almost everyone knows Russian, in the districts they know it, but I would not say that it is very good.

[MinNatSec]

Quote: synchrophasatron

There is a Russian school in every city. There is a Slavic University in Baku, a branch of the Lomonosov Moscow State University. In Azerbaijani schools, you can choose Russian, English, French as a foreign language. In the capital, almost everyone knows Russian, in the districts they know it, but I would not say that it is very good.

but it was necessary to close all this. Cover the shop in full, then they would respect us. Usually those who stick them in wheels, they respect them.

Plus the Christian factor.

[MinNatSec]

to camila.
This article came out yesterday. Just read Camila Khanum and think about how openly he made it clear that if the archives are opened, then it is not yet known who committed the genocide and whether or not genocide actually occurred.
I really hope that many forum users will finally understand that the Armenian genocide, like the Sumgayit pogrom, which they call the genocide where 20 people of Armenians and about 10 Azerbaijanis died, is simply ridiculous to call genocide. If the Armenians begin to open all their archives, and the identical archives are also in Russia, then the Armenian nation will not wash out of shame. That is, what we see, Armenia wants to improve relations and agrees to forget the topic of the Armenian Genocide. And why? Yes, because the whole world will force to open archives. And the one who hides, therefore, wants to hide the truth and truth. If there is nothing to hide, if there was genocide, what are you hiding? Another defeat of Armenian diplomacy. Aleluja

[David]

“Do not give the shrine to the dogs and do not drop your pearls [beads church-glory.] Of yours before the pigs, so that they do not trample it under their feet and, turning, do not tear you to pieces” (Matt. 7, 6)

[Kamila]

Quote: David

Do not give the shrine to the dogs and do not drop your pearls [beads church-glory.] Of yours before the pigs, so that they do not trample it under their feet and, turning, do not tear you to pieces ”

what self-critical !! everything is correct ...

it makes no sense to waste words with people who cannot understand and appreciate them.

[Yarbay]

This was only the beginning of the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict.
Somewhere in the middle of 1988.
Everyone, as many remember, brought or told some historical materials about Armenians.
So here is the cottage of Maksud Ibragimbekov. The company is sitting drinking and having a snack.
And one of the companies tells such a story, I do not know the truth of the past or legend.
That when the Great Tamerlan conquered the Armenians. They met him with bread and salt, and in sign of assuming the status of vassal, their king publicly kissed his hand.
Tamerlan left his ambassadors there and went on a military campaign.
On the way, he found out that his ambassadors were executed by the Armenians, and the Armenians were again ready to fight Tamerlane.
Tamerlane again turned his troops to the Armenians and finally defeated the Armenians and began to destroy them for their treachery.
But I left only two villages untouched with the phrase: I deliberately leave these two villages of Armenians to humanity, so that later on humanity would understand why I cut them out.
To which Maksud Ibragimbekov said: It is in vain, we would take his word

[David]

And the truth is in vain))
Do not be lazy, read here - http://www.tema.in.ua/article/6974.html

[Sokol (Falcon)]

Very interesting

[hly]

well done. we also need to be friends with Armenia