About Christian terrorists and Russian perspectives

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About Christian terrorists and Russian perspectives


“Too believing” is translated as “fanatic.” In relation to the Orthodox, it sounded wildly until recently. It is as if on Easter Day an Orthodox would go to the mosque during namaz and with a cry of "Christ is risen" would activate a backpack with explosives.



Apparently, everything is still ahead.

Incidents are alarming. And the actions of Mrs. Poklonskaya, who are so active both in violating the second commandment and using the administrative resource for the fight against a film she dislikes, are alarming.

It is alarming that some fans have appeared, who, following the example of their guru, begin to act precisely from a position of strength.



From the very beginning, for some reason, there was absolutely no reasoned controversy regarding the "Matilda". Exceptionally squeals on the topic “To ban, this is an insult to the feelings of believers!” More precisely, one individual believer, who simply has more opportunities. Do not happen Poklonskaya in the State Duma, you see, and no one would have heard the scream.

Meanwhile, the film was tested by the General Prosecutor's Office: nothing offensive was found.

But even in this case, it would be possible to leave it all on her conscience. Everyone has his own idol, each turns his head as he sees fit.

But the arsons of the studio, cars, rams of cinemas, threats - this is like over the edge.

We have already got used to the fact that religious fanaticism is more inherent in certain trends of Islam. Some, because not every Muslim is a fanatical believer, the overwhelming majority of people are quite reasonable and peaceful.

It turns out now that in the Orthodox environment everything is no better. And the prospect is so-so, because after the attack with “Molotov cocktails,” then you can expect anything. With what, in general, I congratulate the entire Orthodox world. Survived.

Total: no one saw the discussion, but the actions of a frankly terrorist nature are obvious.

I personally really liked the reaction of the ROC. From the press secretary of the patriarch to ordinary priests. It is fat to emphasize that, despite the fact that they did not like the essence of the film, None of the ROC did not raise the question of banning the film.

Alexander Volkov, a spokesman for Patriarch of All Russia Cyril, said the words that I greatly liked:

“You ask: should the church officially rebuke? It is important that the evaluation of this film, like any other cultural work, does not come from the church, from the pulpit. It should be strictly avoided that the priest, standing on the ambo, said in a sermon: this is a good work, but this is bad, you cannot go to this film, and go there to burn movie theaters. This, of course, is impossible.

It is necessary for everyone to be patient when this film comes out on the screens in order to have an objective assessment of it. ”

Competently? Full Balanced? Definitely.

Moreover, many priests just condemned all acts of terrorism.

Dionisy Kostomarov, priest:

“For me, as for a priest and a Christian, these actions, which we heard about — in St. Petersburg, in Moscow, in Yekaterinburg — the arsons of cinemas, film studios, cars — this is barbarism, not Christianity. It has nothing to do with the teachings of Jesus Christ. ”

Igor Prekup, Archpriest:

“We have too long ignored“ Orthodox gopnichestvo ”as detrimental to the church identity and discrediting the phenomenon. Not all, of course, one of us was outraged before, but there was not a sufficiently authoritative and consistent rejection of this abomination, hiding behind the mask of “Boz jealousy”. And it’s good that now at the proper level, both on the part of the ROC and the state, there was a categorical rejection of quasi-Orthodox pogrom sentiments and actions. ”

So, representatives of the Orthodox Church openly call “offended believers” barbarians and gopniki.

However, the position of the position, but how to continue to be? Who is responsible for those who with the name of the Lord on their lips promises to set fire to and destroy? Sorry, but this is not what the “Prophet’s Banner” or the “Holy Jihad” is doing today in Russia. This is done by the officially registered organization "Christian State - Holy Russia."





What, it turns out, we have drew a state-authorized terrorist organization? So, what is next? And, most importantly, who will further slow down these terrorists from Christ?

Very surprised by the sheer inaction of the relevant departments and the ROC. What do you have to ask, the church? Well, the analogy is simple. If the fans of “Spartacus” smash the stadium of another club and fight with the fans, then the club is responsible. Fines, empty stands and so on.

Oh yeah, our church is separated from the state ... So what? Does not matter shepherds are responsible for the affairs of the flock. Thugs Mr. Kalinin not with the name of Magomed or Navalny go to arson. Where then are the anathemas? Where are the relevant programs on the TV channel “Spas” and the radio “Radonezh”?

As I understand it, the ROC is happy with everything for now. They disown, and that's all.

But no, not all.

But as a layman, I am interested in another alignment around the film. And here I would argue even with some representatives of the ROC. For example, with Bishop Yegoryevsky Tikhon.

When asked whether the church would demand a ban on the film, Bishop Tikhon stressed that this is “an absolutely dead-end and wrong path” and not demands for prohibitions, “but a warning about truth and untruth is a goal that can and should be set in connection with the upcoming wide screening of the film. "

Where is untrue? Where is fiction?

Well, Nikolai Romanov was canonized as a martyr and passion-bearer. I do not dispute, although I have a slightly different opinion about holiness. Anyway.

The film is not about the saint.

The film, if anything, about the 20-year-old heir to the throne, a very nice young man. And about Malechka Kshesinskaya, 18 years old. And, as her contemporaries say in the memoirs, at that time it was still a sex bomb.



Could Nikolai Aleksandrovich "bother" at the ballerina? Not only could, but realized it. If for someone the relationship of a couple is a secret, it is not for St. Petersburg at that time. The facts were in bulk. Yes, and no one (!!!), I emphasize, did not hide this.



So, the heir to the throne, not the king, Tsarevich Nikolai Romanov fell in love with a beautiful woman. And how can this offend the religious feelings of the Orthodox? Yes, any priest signs under the words that "God is love."

And then, where it is said that since Nicholas was destined to become an emperor, then he had to be a monk, shy away from female beauty? In addition, it was all before his official wedding. And Matilda was not a lover. In love.

And indeed, in his place, each of us would hoo turn. Is not it?

Speaking from face stories, and what to make a film when it comes to the last emperor?

The fact that he could not cope with a gang of his relatives, earning huge fortunes on military supplies?

About the lost Russian-Japanese war?

The fact that when in the 1905, it was necessary to speak, and he agreed that it was necessary to shoot?

Or that when you really had to shoot, in 1917, he denied it?

Or about Rasputin?

If by and large, the emperor from Nicholas was, to put it mildly, unsuccessful. If you make films, why not about first love? Well, you can still about how after the defeat in the Russian-Japanese war, Nikolai did a lot for the army. Really a lot. But it will not be as interesting as a beautiful story about two young people. And about the end of this story, very instructive.

Well, the ROC voted for his canonization as a martyr. There is generally a controversial issue, we have millions of such martyrs. And even among them there are more worthy ones for canonization. The only question is that canonization is not an indication that there is nothing more to be said about holiness.

Nikolai Aleksandrovich Romanov was a normal man. Overly romantic, yes. No sovereign is also true. But as a husband and father, there is no question here, a positive example. And with Matilda behaved really like a king. No complaints.

And why not show it? Or is it necessary to tell everyone that Nikolai only had sex with Alexandra? And did it only five times in your life? And the physiology carried rainbow?

By the way, many people from the world of cinema spoke very positively about the film. For example, People's Artist of the USSR Inna Churikova, who in the cinema understands something, I think, and Sergey Selyanov, the producer of my favorite films “Brother” and “Brother-2”.

But to hell with the movie.

And then, where is democracy and the right of personal choice?

Why some lady from Ukraine, quickly turning over to the Russian woman, along with the “barbarians and Gopnik” religious movements that nobody knows (now, according to representatives of the Russian Orthodox Church) will decide which actions of historical characters fall out of history and which are not?

Why will these obviously inadequate people decide with the help of gasoline and kerosene, which movie can I watch, and which one should I not? What can you shoot a movie, and what can not?

Sorry, this is not Ukraine. Here is Russia. And here the issues of freedom are not decided by Ukrainian standards. Not "Molotov cocktails." It may be difficult to get used to and difficult to understand, however.

But, dear, this jumble smells disgusting. Religious fanatics plus football "ultras" plus "Molotov cocktails" and overt threats, what does it smell like?

You know, it smells of Odessa in May.

Yes, there were no religious fanatics. But the cocktails and the "ultras" were. And that was enough.



Where, tell me, were all these people, when the story was spat upon in the “Standing Up”, “Citadel”, “Vikings” and “Stalingrad”? Let them go there too. Either sit quietly in the holes, or applaud such film masterpieces.

And we ourselves will figure out whether this film is worth something or not. But with Ukrainian zakosy in beliefs - dismiss. All these cases, law enforcement agencies are obliged not only to do, but to find real customers and performers and punish them to the fullest extent.

By the way, the authorities themselves must be extremely interested in this. Today the Molotov cocktails flew into the objectionable studio of the Teacher and the cars, tomorrow at the cinema, which showed the objectionable according to some of the film, and the day after tomorrow?

Yes, the most interesting question: where to the day after tomorrow?

Maybe in a private school, where the Directorate does not want to introduce the lessons of the law of God? Or in barbecue during the post? To restaurants? In the mosque to the cries of "For Russia Orthodox!"?

But fly. For a fanatic, to do justice is the highest grace! And when there is someone to shove into the fanatical brain another idea, with which antichrist to fight ...

So, apparently, “there will be more blood.” At least for now this is the case. While in the State Duma there are people suffering from chronic idleness and trying to carry out the cultivation of a new prohibitive marasmus.

However, all this has already passed. In Ukraine.

There were "onizhedeti", remember? And we have? And we have "Orthodox who want to give their lives for Christ, for the saints who laid down their lives for us. For the Tsar and their Fatherland." Yes, beauty, what else to say. Your energy would be "Orthodox", but for peaceful purposes ... You would not have a price.

P.S.

On the "Matilda" will definitely go. And because it is interesting, and because historically in that era it is grounded. And I will definitely write, as I wrote on the “Sevastopol Battle”, “28 Panfilov Heroes” a detailed review. And if all the assaults on this film will be groundless, then I will definitely return to this topic.
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  1. +17
    18 September 2017 06: 39
    Apparently, everything is still ahead.
    I agree with the author that if we are not able to crush this "Orthodox extremism" in the bud, then the "Maidan" will seem to us - a childish prank. In a multiconfessional country this is NOT ALLOWED. Our ancestors, so far as they were religious, didn’t even allow us to allow religious wars, for the time being. And it was under Nicholas 2 that “punctures” began in this matter, it is worth recalling the “pogroms” of that time and what it led to in 1917, I think it’s not worth explaining.
    1. +13
      18 September 2017 07: 01
      Unfortunately, you are right ... Although I am Orthodox myself, I understand that religious fanatics should be put in order. Within the framework of the law, of course ... The director of the film acts as an “agent of influence”, a provocateur, on the one hand, and “true” believers, on the other, as two different factors, but equally affecting the destabilization of the situation in the country. They are “rocking” the situation, escalating religious hysteria ... The idea is ingenious, it was not otherwise the CIA put their hands: it is very similar to their “strategy of not direct actions”. Personally, I won’t go to this film, and I won’t watch it - that’s how I will legitimately express my protest against this “presentation” of historical material by this “teacher”.
      1. +5
        18 September 2017 07: 04
        Quote: Brylevsky
        Personally, I won’t go to this film, and I won’t watch it - that’s how I will legitimately express my protest against this “presentation” of historical material by this “teacher”.

        Truly correct decision in case of DISSENT. But to tell the rest, and even to intimidate ... No, so no one has ever sought peace and prosperity in the country.
        1. +9
          18 September 2017 09: 19
          Quote: svp67
          But to tell the rest, and even to intimidate ... No, so no one has ever sought peace and prosperity in the country.

          and yet there is such an infection. never heard of rallies against the TIN. just for religious reasons, the number of beast, etc. construction of new and restoration of old churches is a good thing, I guess. here are just more of them than concert halls. interfaith contacts are increasingly being declared ecumenism. proposals to introduce God's law in schools are sometimes reminiscent of requirements. I have already heard from believers something like you owe, you owe. is there a “CIA hand” or not, but such an approach to the issue is unacceptable. with all due respect to the church and believers, I’ll say straightforwardly that we must get rid of such commercial and totalitarian moments. only the church itself, which is now more occupied by itself, can do this. instead of positive humanitarian influence, don’t understand what else. so it’s not far from trouble.
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            1. +10
              18 September 2017 10: 42
              Who do you need? Live as you want.
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            2. +3
              19 September 2017 14: 16
              Quote: Diana Ilyina
              I do not want to be an obedient sheep in the hands of the Russian Orthodox Church


              The Russian Orthodox Church and the Orthodox Faith are somewhat different concepts.
              You do not want to be an obedient sheep in the flock of Christ, you will be an obedient pig in another.
              The degree of freedom and color differentiation of the pants, depending on the number of dough (chat) in your pocket, is the "excellent" religion of a secular state!
              Isn’t it, Diana?
      2. +4
        18 September 2017 12: 53
        Extremism and terrorism have neither skin color, nor nationality, nor religion! Who cares who detonates a subway bomb? If this is an atheist fanatic, it will become easier for the victims of this (like, well, at least not an Arab wassat ) The main thing is to strangle this infection, and preferably in the womb. And for this it is necessary to conduct educational and propaganda work. Lead despite the costs. Otherwise, we’ll get a “result” very soon.
      3. +2
        18 September 2017 22: 11
        In my opinion, hysteria is just anti-religious here. Perhaps this "believer" tried for her sake
      4. 0
        19 September 2017 18: 05
        Quote: Brylevsky
        not otherwise the CIA

        You would have to take a vacation. When the State Department’s hand is visible in everything ... it’s not far from a fool.
    2. +11
      18 September 2017 07: 24
      Quote: svp67
      Our ancestors, even though they were religious, didn’t even allow us to allow religious wars,

      Violent Christianization of the Volga region, mass executions of schismatics, the Pale of Settlement for Jews.
      1. +8
        18 September 2017 08: 19
        Quote: ism_ek
        mass executions of schismatics,
        examples on the barrel. self-immolation will not go. it is not execution but suicide.
        1. +5
          18 September 2017 13: 36
          Quote: kashtak
          examples on the barrel.

          The Twelve Articles by Princess Sophia
          1. Which schismatics of the holy church oppose and blaspheme, and do not go to church and church singing and spiritual fathers for confession, and do not partake of the holy mysteries, and do not allow priests in their homes with shrine and church need, and between Christians obscene in their own words mend temptation and rebellion, and stand stubbornly in that theft: they will torture those thieves, from whom they are taught, and for how long, and who they will speak to and talk about and talk about and give them to stakes, and torture with confrontations; and who learn from torture to stand stubbornly, but won’t bring the conquests of the holy church, and such, for such heresy, through interrogation three times by execution, if you do not submit, burn in a log house and dispel the ashes.
          2 ...
        2. BAI
          +3
          18 September 2017 13: 55
          Well, for example:
          In 1654, Nikon convened the Local Council, which was to justify the church reform that he had unlawfully begun. At it, Bishop Pavel Kolomensky expressed disagreement with Nikon, for which was beaten personally by the patriarch, arrested and exiled to Novgorod limits, where he was soon killed.
          But actually:
          1. The Great Moscow Cathedral of 1666-1667 finally approved the fact of a church schism. Its participants wrote: “Whoever ... doesn’t listen, though in a single order, he will command from us, or begin to rebuke ... we will punish such people spiritually, but our spiritual punishment will also be despised, and we will apply bodily bitterness as such” ( that is, if someone doesn’t at least listen to what we have commanded, or begin to rebuke us, then we will punish them with spiritual punishment, and if we begin to neglect our spiritual punishment, we will add bodily torment to those )
          And "bodily bitterness" was attached. In the XNUMXth century, against the Orthodox Christians, the government, led by the New Believers bishops, even launched real military operations. The troops besieged the Solovetsky and Paleostrovsky monasteries, were sent to comb the forests near Volokolamsk, near Vyazniki.
          2. Under Tsar Theodore Alekseevich, special decrees began to be issued on the persecution of adherents of the old faith, which included punishment with a whip, torture, exile with confiscation of property, and the death penalty.
          3. April 7, 1684 were published the so-called "Twelve Articles" of Princess Sophia. According to this Decree, those who were suspected of containing the old faith were to be tortured, and those who stood in torture stubbornly and did not obey, burned in a log house and scattered ashes.

          Well and so on 300 years. Although only actions against the Solovetsky and Paleostrovsky monasteries can be called massive
        3. +1
          18 September 2017 13: 57
          Quote: kashtak
          examples on the barrel. self-immolation will not go. it is not execution but suicide.

          https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%90%D0%B2%D0%B2%
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    3. +5
      18 September 2017 08: 06
      Quote: svp67
      Our ancestors, so far as they were religious, didn’t even allow us to allow religious wars, for the time being.

      Did you hear anything about the Jewish pogroms?
      And what about Nikon’s reform?
      1. +5
        18 September 2017 08: 11
        Quote: Mik13
        Did you hear anything about the Jewish pogroms?
        And what about Nikon’s reform?

        Of course, and what did it bring GOOD to our land?
      2. +3
        18 September 2017 10: 48
        Quote: Mik13
        Did you hear anything about the Jewish pogroms?

        Of course I heard. chauvinism has not bypassed any country. just remember that the Black Hundreds is far from the whole society. and the pogroms, which although a shameful spot were not at all as massive as they are sometimes described, no? and with religion were loosely connected. the light did not converge on them. in our country, people of different religions lived peacefully. and we don’t need new Black Hundreds. there are enough other problems. peace to you.
    4. +6
      18 September 2017 09: 01
      Quote: svp67
      I agree with the author that if we are not able to crush this "Orthodox extremism" in the bud, then the "Maidan" will seem to us - a childish prank.

      I would say that this is a consequence of the current education system and the general stupidity of the people, with the help of TV - we are growing a thoughtless consumer (Fursenko), and not a creative and thinking person (as in the days of Comrade Stalin). Accordingly, the revelry of obscurantism is happening!
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    6. +1
      18 September 2017 14: 21
      Why is opium for the people?
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    1. +6
      18 September 2017 07: 29
      For 200 years, the church has inspired the people that the horde is "the god of god" and prayed for the health of the Mongol khans.
      1. +3
        18 September 2017 07: 43
        Quote: ism_ek
        For 200 years, the church has inspired the people that the horde is "the god of god" and prayed for the health of the Mongol khans.

        But at the moment when it became clear that it was possible to throw this yoke off, it was she who blessed Dmitry Donskoy, Ivan-3 and Ivan-4, for their feats of arms ....
        1. +1
          18 September 2017 07: 48
          The Mongols simply stopped paying.
          1. +3
            18 September 2017 07: 49
            Quote: ism_ek
            The Mongols simply stopped paying.

            You already decide who paid to whom.
            1. +1
              18 September 2017 08: 09
              Quote: svp67
              You already decide who paid to whom.

              The metropolitans, like the princes, received “labels” from the Mongols in which privileges for the Orthodox Church were prescribed.
              the population, which was in vassal dependence on the church, was exempted from financial obligations both from rural occupations (post-service) and from trade (tamga), from national (tribute), from in-kind duties (transport - pit and military - war), from individual and random "requests."
              1. +3
                18 September 2017 08: 12
                Quote: ism_ek
                Metropolitans, like princes, received “labels” from the Mongols in which privileges for the Orthodox Church were registered

                Nevertheless, the Church opposed her "benefactors"
          2. +4
            18 September 2017 11: 03
            Enough nonsense to verb already. There were no Mongols in Russia. Tales of the Romanovs and lured churchmen. Sheer lies. In salvation?
    2. +8
      18 September 2017 07: 41
      Quote: Vasily50
      The church, as always, took a very vile position.

      And how is it always like that? It may be worth recalling that it was the Orthodox Church that blessed our soldiers for feats of arms, for the sake of human life. In the difficult years of World War II, the church persecuted by the Bolsheviks collected money for weapons to the Soviet wars and products for the dying Leningrad .. All the same, apparently the matter is in the people who are at the levers of power
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        1. +7
          18 September 2017 08: 15
          Quote: Mik13
          In the occupied territory, the Russian Orthodox Church licked the Germans under their tail so that they didn’t have to spend money on pipipax, probably ...

          And at the same time, she worked against them reporting news from the Sovinformburo, collecting money, things and products to help the Red Army.
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            +3
            18 September 2017 08: 41
            The Russian Orthodox Church (as well as the RAS, the State Duma, the government, the Army, etc.) is not a monolithic organization. For example, now both Kuraev and Chaplin from the Russian Orthodox Church, but in fact they say and do diametrically opposite things.
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      1. +2
        18 September 2017 08: 58
        Quote: Vasily50
        The church is openly lying about its role in the history of RUSSIA

        Winners write history, but this does not mean that what is written must be unconditionally believed. "Moscow is the third Rome" is a project of the Vatican. Alexander Pyzhikov


        The historian Yevgeny Spitsyn and the doctor of historical sciences, professor of Moscow State Pedagogical University Alexander Pyzhikov talk about how and why the church schism of the 17 century arose. What significance did he have for Russian history, why did they look at this key milestone both in the Russian Empire and in the USSR from a distance as a secondary phenomenon.
      2. +4
        18 September 2017 14: 46
        The Russian Orthodox Church began to be called the Russian Orthodox Church only in 1943, before that its official name * Orthodox Greek Catholic Church *.

        Where did such Svidomo come from? belay
        1. 0
          18 September 2017 15: 34
          Quote: Shadow of the Dark
          Where did such Svidomo come from?

          Do you doubt it? Well then googol to help you. laughing
          1. +4
            18 September 2017 19: 08
            Do you doubt it? Well then googol to help you. laughing

            Google also needs to be able to use. If you knew the question, you would not have confused the Western Ukrainian Uniate Greek-Catalan Church and the Orthodox Church! fool Apparently the site from which you took this nonsense, wrote the same "diplomas" like you! laughing The rest was written to you by super.ufu hi
      3. +5
        18 September 2017 15: 34
        The Russian Orthodox Church began to be called the Russian Orthodox Church only in 1943, before that its official name * Orthodox Greek Catholic Church *.


        In the legislation of the Russian Empire and in other official documents, both secular and church (until 1942) the name "Orthodox Russian Church" was used. However, the names “Russian Orthodox”, “All-Russian Orthodox”, “Orthodox Catholic Catholic Greco-Russian”, “Orthodox Greek-Russian” and “Russian Orthodox” church were often used. At the same time, the corresponding abbreviations (for example, “PRC” or “ROC”) were not used.
        After September 1943, when a religious organization with a fixed name “Russian Orthodox Church” appeared on the historical stage (which will be discussed later), the abbreviation “ROC” was established in historiography. (Probably, the abbreviated name arose by analogy with the abbreviations “USSR” and “CPSU”, which were widespread at that time). The same reduction began to be used in relation to the pre-revolutionary Russian Orthodox Church.



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    5. +7
      18 September 2017 12: 53
      Why is there such anger at the church?
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        1. +5
          18 September 2017 13: 14
          All that you wrote, only rumors and much was invented by a sick fantasy. Where is the evidence of the bloody deeds of the church?
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        2. +3
          18 September 2017 13: 19
          Everyone knows about the murders, the persecution, the imprisonment of clergy and monks by the Soviet government. And for this, you of the so-called atheists, should have been punished properly.
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      2. BAI
        +6
        18 September 2017 14: 02
        Why is there such anger at the church?



        From here. Because the upper ones are units, and the lower ones are the majority.
        1. +3
          18 September 2017 14: 42
          Have you identified by faces?
        2. +1
          18 September 2017 20: 31
          In Orthodoxy, there are no priests at all .. Where did this Ruskonenavalnichesky and Christian non-independence nonsense come from ....
        3. +1
          19 September 2017 03: 13
          The sin of gluttony for Orthodox priests is forgiven by default. In our city there was a priest in the past, an Afghan paratrooper, a wonderful, clever man, Well, he was very fat. But wonderful !! I am an atheist and I believed in his presence !!
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      3. 0
        18 September 2017 14: 55
        I hope a rhetorical question ?!
        1. +2
          18 September 2017 14: 57
          Well, I'm serious. What do you dislike about the priest in the bottom photo?
          1. 0
            18 September 2017 19: 15
            He is "filled with the spirit of God!" laughing On the other hand, one should not interfere with God's gift with scrambled eggs, if you evaluate all people according to individual personalities, then humanity is unworthy of existence, what, can you start Armageddon? am
    6. +3
      18 September 2017 20: 28
      But in RUSSIA, besides Christians, no one else has rights?
      [quote = basil50]
      Well, do not tell our slippers ...))) laughing laughing
      In Russia, everyone has rights. Besides Orthodox Christians .. Do not lie so stupidly .....
    7. +1
      18 September 2017 20: 29
      But in RUSSIA, besides Christians, no one else has rights?
      [quote = basil50]
      Well do not tell our slippers ...))) laughing laughing
      In Russia, everyone has rights. Besides Orthodox Christians .. Do not lie so stupidly .....
  3. +7
    18 September 2017 07: 11
    The family is not without a freak, and if you still direct these "freaks" in the right direction, and with the idea, the result will not be long in coming. You need to pay attention not to those who shout the loudest, but to those who stand behind them.
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      1. +1
        19 September 2017 03: 16
        Why Canals? that it would be sweet to drink and eat more and talk must be able to. only against Matilda they did not survive it seems?
  4. +2
    18 September 2017 07: 25
    I agree with the author on all points. But I won’t go to the film. Like the church.
    1. +5
      18 September 2017 07: 50
      Quote: Alex_59
      I agree with the author on all points. But I won’t go to the film. Like the church.

      Free will ... Only one question, but if they will force me to do this or that, what will you do?
      1. +8
        18 September 2017 07: 57
        Quote: svp67
        and if they are forced to do this or that, what will you do?

        If mom and dad, then I will do what they say. And if a bearded uncle in a black cassock, then I’ll send him to hell - I read a fairy tale about the priest and his worker balde, now I know them laughing
      2. +4
        18 September 2017 08: 40
        Quote: svp67
        Only one question, but if they will force me to do this or that, what will you do?

        Year in the yard 17. That's what I will do.
      3. +3
        18 September 2017 09: 32
        Quote: svp67
        Free will ... Only one question, but if they will force me to do this or that, what will you do?

        Sorry to interrupt. The question is important. I just already came across a question like "why haven’t you chosen a religion yet?" to which I honestly answered, I am an atheist, and the church is not a meeting, the appearance is not obligatory.
  5. +2
    18 September 2017 08: 15
    I’ll definitely go to Matilda. And because it is interesting, and because historically in that era was savvy. And I’ll surely write, as I wrote on the Battle of Sevastopol, to “28 Panfilov Heroes” a comprehensive review.

    To get started, watch previous Teacher movies, such as The Edge. I really look forward to your feedback on this film!
  6. aiw
    +16
    18 September 2017 08: 26
    This is not all started with Poklonskaya alas. You can recall Enteo and his comrades, who smashed exhibitions and museums with impunity, who beaten Pastpharians with the connivance of the police. And this is against the background of Tolokonnikova and two other little fools who received a penny for actions in which no one and nothing was physically injured.

    And there is still a wonderful law on the protection of the feelings of believers, which is applied very selectively, but there is still no law on the protection of the feelings of unbelievers. Well, the statements of some ROC officials (like V. Chaplin) to the heap ...

    These "Orthodox Gopniks" were grown for more than one year.
    1. 0
      18 September 2017 13: 35
      Quote: aiw
      These "Orthodox Gopniks" were grown for more than one year.

      Christian State "Holy Russia" of two people - fake special services, and not what they say in the media.
      The hype raised in the media around the so-called “Organizations” of the “Christian State“ Holy Russia ””, which actually consists of 2 (in words - TWO) people and is just a fake of the Russian special services, is logically inexplicable. First, the fake of the special services publicized the obscene movie, and then the media are already promoting the fake of the special services, inciting it to the layman as “Orthodox terrorism”. Although all this phenomenon in the aggregate is a very dangerous phenomenon. And I personally began to say this when it had not yet become mainstream - in January-February, and an interview with half of the “organization” Miron Kravchenko has been on my channel since April.
      I also saved a video where the other half of the “organization” Alexander Kalinin talks about how they met with the FSO general, he made a pass for them to the Kremlin so that they could attend services in the Assumption Cathedral of the Kremlin, and then explained that the President was actually Putin is a sincere Orthodox man, but cannot alone cope with a bunch of liberal traitors around him, and he needs the help of Orthodox people. Since then, Sasha da Miron, with the support of the Chekists, has become "Holy Russia."
      V. Kryukov https://vk.com/id31356924
  7. +12
    18 September 2017 08: 54
    Why did everyone cling to this film? Nicholas Ⅱ was a worthless ruler who had ruined a great empire. The Bolsheviks were able to return almost all the land they lost, but tons of shit are poured on them. The IVS was able to win the most brutal war in the history of mankind, but for some reason it is considered a bloody dictator. Kolya Ⅱ merged the country and himself along with it, and he was counted among the saints.
    1. +7
      18 September 2017 09: 36
      Well, here's for you to think. Putin did a lot for Russia? I think yes. But (God forbid, of course) our elite overwhelmed by the West overthrows it (eliminates it even worse), and then comes to power .. Well, let's say Navalny .. and went on the continuation of the collapse of the country begun by Yeltsin .. after 10 years they will say that Putin is weak and pissed off the country? What do you think? Given that the liberals will seize power, they will quickly rewrite history for their tasks, where Putin, Lavrov, Shoigu and others like them will be bloody tyrants who unleashed a war with Georgia, Ukraine, threatening the Baltic states and Europe, in which people simply bent and even jamon I could not eat for breakfast, etc., etc. And your grandson on the same site will write that Putin is a rag and a wimp. He pissed off the country that the Great Reormator Yeltsin left him. Not?
      1. +4
        18 September 2017 09: 58
        Life does not stand still. Russia needs to move forward. We need new, strong leaders, patriots of the country. Which are very few now. Why Putin and the country's leadership do not create such strong personalities. Putin, Zyuganov, Mironov, Zhirinovsky are not eternal in the political arena. We need new, strong politicians who could move the country forward. To develop industry, fight corruption, protect the interests of Russia at the international level.
        1. +4
          18 September 2017 10: 56
          Quote: Stalingradpobeda
          We need new, strong politicians who could move the country forward.

          it cannot be said that cadres decide a lot, cadres decide everything.
      2. +1
        18 September 2017 15: 11
        But (God forbid, of course) our elite, crushed by the West, overthrows it (eliminates it even worse), after which it comes to power .. Well, let's say Navalny .. and go

        in 10 years they will say that Putin is a wimp and prosral the country?

        If this happens, will it not be so? So I could not surround myself with the right people and could not grow myself a worthy replacement! The strength of any leader in his environment.
        1. +2
          18 September 2017 15: 41
          No need to think in kitchen categories. The President is not King. Heads of disgraced boyars have no right to chop-this is firstly. The president is not omnipotent, this is the second. He simply cannot be removed from office. all the more to plant (only through court). Democracy is the most rotten form of human existence. Well and most importantly, where are the good, smart devotees? I’m like that :) I’m only afraid of GDP I have not heard and will not hear about me.
          In the most democratic country in the world, Trump can also do something different, right?
          1. 0
            18 September 2017 20: 04
            No need to think in kitchen categories.

            I'm like a scumbag and not think.
            The President is not King. Heads of disgraced boyars have no right to chop-this is firstly.

            Thank God! Why hack? It is enough to bring him out of his surroundings. Move away. Transfer to a less responsible site.
            The president is not omnipotent, this is the second.

            Therefore, the president comes with a team that should help him and ensure a confident position among the elite and other groups of applicants. The greater the support of the elites: financially, politically, and powerfully, the more weight it has when interacting with other opponents. Everything else depends on the president and his ability to bargain with his circles and opponents, and to break through his interests.
            Democracy is the most rotten form of human existence.

            At the same time, there are countries that, in principle, are developing well with this very democracy.
            Well and most importantly, where are the good, smart devotees?

            This is the most important sign of a true leader - to create your environment! bully
            In the most democratic country in the world, Trump can also do something different, right?

            That such a vision is the kitchen. In the USA, the president is not a monarch, even for a while, he is a representative of certain circles, and one does not have to think that his decisions are his personal decisions. He personifies the collective decision of the elites who helped in his achievement of the presidency. His personal bonus is a transition from a purely financial elite to a political one.
            Putin, too, is not a monarch, precisely for this reason he keeps around himself personalities that many people who are not related to the elites evoke negative feelings, although for Putin they provide some support. He maneuvers between different circles, and many try to evaluate his maneuvers from the point of view of his vision. Putin is trying, as in that task, when it is necessary to transport a goat to the other side. cabbage and a wolf on a boat in which only one can be transported. We do not have healthy, formed elites yet, therefore, he has a more difficult task and his role is higher.
            1. 0
              18 September 2017 21: 55
              I don’t want to talk about banal things. Close the book of fairy tales and look at the world (society) for an adult. Believe it helps. And all this opus is similar to idealistic teenage views on life no more.
              1. 0
                21 September 2017 21: 33
                Close the book of fairy tales and look at the world (society) for an adult.

                Tales are: “Putin wants, but they interfere with him,” “In the most democratic country in the world, Trump also can’t do something special,” “Well, and most importantly, where are the good, smart devotees?”
                But this is generally a pearl and slobbery dreams of a person stuck in childhood:
                I’m like that :) I’m only afraid of GDP I have not heard and will not hear about me.

                And such things are called idolatry and fanaticism! So, let me stay with my "fairy tales"! lol
          2. +1
            19 September 2017 05: 20
            He simply cannot be removed from office.


            Luzhkov was suspended "for loss of confidence", that is, just like that, without any courts.
      3. +1
        19 September 2017 01: 58
        If the driver did not hold the wheel and made a disaster, then it is his fault. Nikolai let himself be overthrown, while Putin is holding the wheel.
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    3. +4
      18 September 2017 11: 00
      Quote: Krasnyiy komissar
      Nicholas Ⅱ was a worthless ruler who had ruined a great empire. The Bolsheviks were able to return almost all the land they lost, but tons of shit are poured on them. The IVS was able to win the most brutal war in the history of mankind, but for some reason it is considered a bloody dictator.

      Have you watched Master’s previous films? This is exactly the man who "shed tons of shit" and the Bolsheviks and the ITT
  8. +10
    18 September 2017 08: 55
    Russian self-consciousness is oppressed at the state level, the only Russian whose culture is not as unprotected, Muslims behave quite cohesively and sometimes aggressively. Because there will be football and not only ultras, and Orthodox fundamentalists and there will be more from hour to hour until the state will change its policy within the country and will not begin to protect the rights of Russians. [i] Today, Russians need healthy nationalism to survive as a nation![/ I]
    1. +4
      18 September 2017 09: 14
      Quote: free
      Russian identity is oppressed at the state level, the only Russians whose culture is not as unprotected

      Could you give a definition of who the Russians are, as you understand it?
      My vision: Russians are those who rose above their tribal relations and began to defend the interests of Russian civilization as a whole, the interests of everyone living in it. As soon as one of the Russians begins to defend the interests of individual ethnic groups (nations), he ceases to be Russian.
      1. 0
        18 September 2017 15: 07
        Boris55 Today, 09:14 There were Russes! Im-pe-ra-TOR Petya called all Russians. For some reason, the only adjectives in the world. And Borukh went further, now all Russians. hi
        1. 0
          18 September 2017 15: 49
          Yes, it seems like before the revolution there were great Russians like that. This is comrade Lenin and comrades, instead of the Great Russians, Little Russians and Belarusians, he introduced the Belarusians, UKRAINTS, Russians .. so you are not presenting to the address :)
      2. +3
        18 September 2017 15: 28
        This is cosmopolitanism, and this led the USSR to destruction and poverty. Russians are a very specific nationality and culture, and leave Europeans tolerance as having generated ideology, communism, fascism and now tolerance! In Russia, for the normal coexistence of peoples, the laws of hospitality are quite enough, these are quite ancient laws, but for some reason they try not to remember them, replacing another newfangled utopia.
        1. +1
          18 September 2017 15: 39
          Quote: Shadow of the Dark
          Russian is a very specific nationality

          Can you imagine what will happen if each Russian is scrubbed properly? How many small principalities will Russia fall apart?

          1. +4
            18 September 2017 15: 57
            And if you don’t scrub, it turns out that Ivan doesn’t remember kinship! A geek who spits on his past and with leaps deserves his future: "Anyhow, not Muscovite!".
  9. +9
    18 September 2017 08: 59
    The article is frankly provocative, like all these “arson” and “pogroms”
    The terrible Orthodox organization mentioned by the author is impostors unknown to anyone in the Orthodox world. Where these comrades came from is unknown, although one can guess. Liberal comrades rejoice.
    1. +6
      18 September 2017 09: 14
      and what did the church say condemn? tamed? banned and anathematized?
      Well, at least somehow admonished?
      indicate where, otherwise I missed
      1. +5
        18 September 2017 09: 20
        Quote: super.ufu
        and what the church said

        The church urged to pray for the cancellation of the film. appeals many, including the Metropolitan of Vladivostok and Primorsky Benjamin.
        1. +6
          18 September 2017 09: 24
          Quote: bober1982
          Church urged to pray for film cancellation

          Now I'll see for sure. The forbidden fruit is always sweet. laughing
          1. +2
            18 September 2017 09: 30
            I don’t advise, good advice, otherwise God knows what you think, better read something, such as the psychological aspects of the fall.
            1. aiw
              +1
              18 September 2017 10: 34
              Interestingly, why did you decide that the film shows the process of the fall? Or do you think that watching the movie itself is already a fall?
              1. +2
                18 September 2017 10: 39
                Quote: aiw
                I wonder why you decided

                I wonder why you decided that I decided so.
                The film was created by an ultra-liberal director, is a lie and slander, is provocative in nature.
                1. aiw
                  +1
                  18 September 2017 10: 47
                  Well, instead of watching a movie, you recommended reading about the psychological aspects of the fall - apparently you think these things are somehow connected?

                  What kind of lies and slander are present in the film? Where and when did you see it?
                  1. +2
                    18 September 2017 11: 03
                    But if I suggested going to a football match, then would you also consider the football match and the film interconnected? You are very stubborn and persistent.
                    Quote: aiw
                    What kind of lies and slander are present in the film?

                    A dirty and monstrous lie, an anti-Russian and anti-Orthodox film. It does not correspond to historical reality, if we talk only about history, we discard provocation.
                    Quote: aiw
                    Where and when did you see it?

                    I haven’t watched it anywhere, there are expert opinions, including from the Church - the film is filth, an abomination.
                    1. +5
                      18 September 2017 11: 25
                      Quote: bober1982
                      Dirty and monstrous lies, anti-Russian and anti-Orthodox film.

                      The most monstrous thing is that the King plays a western porn actor!
                      1. +2
                        18 September 2017 11: 32
                        Quote: aybolyt678
                        The most monstrous thing is that the King plays a western porn actor!

                        Specially picked up, thought out everything to the smallest detail.
                      2. +1
                        18 September 2017 17: 03
                        Well, and in what name he starred?
                    2. aiw
                      +4
                      18 September 2017 11: 40
                      That is, you didn’t watch the film, exactly what facts were distorted there, you can’t say (like the experts from the side of the Church - they also didn’t see the film), but you already made up your mind. I have no more questions.
                      1. +1
                        18 September 2017 11: 46
                        Quote: aiw
                        as well as experts from the side of the Church - they also did not see the film

                        And why did you get that they did not look? there was a special show for them, and after watching it, a conclusion was drawn. Do not be misled.
                      2. +3
                        18 September 2017 12: 26
                        Quote: aiw
                        That is, you didn’t watch the film, exactly what facts were distorted there you can’t say (like the experts from the side of the Church - they also didn’t see the film), but you already made up your mind.

                        Bravo! laughing The subscriber’s brain has been taken out, the party’s opinion relay has been inserted ... oh, that is, the patriarchs. I have not read it, but I condemn it.
                        Darkness...
                2. +2
                  18 September 2017 11: 26
                  Quote: bober1982
                  The film was created by an ultra-liberal director

                  But there is a large amount of Budget money! Is there really no agreement?
                  1. +1
                    18 September 2017 11: 35
                    Quote: aybolyt678
                    But there is a large amount of Budget money! Is there really no agreement?

                    And to whom to coordinate with whom? Mr. Teacher with Mr. Serebrennikov except.
          2. +4
            18 September 2017 09: 35
            Quote: Boris55
            Now I'll see for sure. The forbidden fruit is always sweet.

            + 1. Initially, I didn’t want to, but now I’ll look.
        2. +3
          18 September 2017 12: 05
          stop, once again where is the condemnation of the church for Enteo, for the arson of the cinema, give the opinions of the synod, congregation, patriarch, the opinion of the father of the father of the village church, I am not interested
          Quote: bober1982
          There are many such appeals, including Metropolitan of Vladivostok and Primorsky Benjamin

          ok, let them pray, nov I'm talking about something else
          1. +2
            18 September 2017 12: 34
            Quote: super.ufu
            ok, let them pray, nov I'm talking about something else

            About arson? but who exactly set it on fire, how can you know? Those who set fire to it are the loudest and shout, there was the Reichstag, there was the Odessa House of Trade Unions, the Boeing was shot down, the Vietnam War and the like began with such cries.
            As father Paphnutius would say - the hat is on the thief.
            1. aiw
              +2
              18 September 2017 13: 05
              "They burned themselves" - somewhere I already heard it ...
              1. +1
                18 September 2017 13: 11
                "The air conditioner itself exploded" - somewhere I already heard it ...
            2. +3
              18 September 2017 14: 26
              nenad me about the Reichstag
              I ask the question again
              how did the church, in the person of any body, condemn extremism - arson, etc.?
              clearly, who is punished, anathematized, banned, and so on and so forth?
              1. +1
                18 September 2017 14: 37
                Quote: super.ufu
                clearly, who is punished, anathematized, banned, and so on and so forth?

                This is something beyond! What does it mean to anathematize, and prohibit, and punish? Whom?
                Leo Tolstoy was anathematized as a blasphemer, citizen Denisenko, who is now raging in Ukraine.
                Quote: super.ufu
                distinctly

                I clearly speak.
                1. +3
                  18 September 2017 15: 10
                  This is something beyond! What does it mean to anathematize, and prohibit, and punish? Whom?

                  well that is there is no condemnation of the Church’s hooligans, that means we can safely talk at least about tacit consent.

                  Q.E.D.

                  Well, you can still refute the arguments against
                  1. +1
                    18 September 2017 16: 07
                    well, that is, there is no blame for the hooligans by the Church,

                    And what do you have evidence of the Church’s appeal to burn a movie theater? To search for the guilty, there must be investigative bodies, and the conviction of the gopniks by the Church will immediately transfer them from the category of criminals and hooligans to the category of lost believers. You certainly will not like this look, but it has the right to life.
                    1. +2
                      18 September 2017 16: 59
                      And what do you have evidence of the Church’s appeal to burn a movie theater?

                      these your fantasies you yourself and refute


                      and the condemnation of the gopniks by the Church

                      not Gopniks, but people calling themselves its members, and if there is no answer, then these Orthodox Gopniks supported her,
                      1. +1
                        18 September 2017 20: 48
                        these your fantasies you yourself and refute

                        And these are your fantasies:
                        there is no blame for the hooligans on the part of the Church, which means we can safely speak at least about tacit consent.

                        but for some reason you insistently demand evidence of their refutation!
                        not Gopniks, but people calling themselves its members, and if there is no answer, then these Orthodox Gopniks supported her,

                        If they stop you in a dark alley and demand money from you by putting a knife to your throat and posing as tax inspectors, will you also then demand an explanation from the tax authorities or will you still call them gopniks? A person who never went to church, did not observe rituals, but suddenly became a "believer" just to hooligan under a "specious" pretext - that's for sure, a fantasy over the edge! The church did not call for pogroms, but only condemned the film, calling it far from historical truth. The rest is all your fantasies. The pogroms and arsons themselves were called barbarism, they can’t use anything more for people, only law enforcement services. Anathema or other punishments can be applied to believers, those who visit the parish, and to the gopota who only call themselves believers, but are not such, it is impossible to apply penance, as well as depriving a person of a person who had not had it before.
                    2. 0
                      19 September 2017 08: 45
                      Shadow of darkness,
                      there is no blame for the hooligans on the part of the Church, which means we can safely speak at least about tacit consent.

                      Well, bring the words of the patriarch, the synod, etc., which reproach, threaten with anathema, prohibition, etc.
                      any such bully?
                      where no Well, what are we talking about

                      A person who never went to church, did not observe rituals, but suddenly became a "believer" just to hooligan

                      once again, this govot acts on behalf of the church, did the church distance itself from them?
                      not?
                      Q.E.D.
                      1. 0
                        19 September 2017 10: 21
                        Well, bring the words of the patriarch, the synod, etc., which reproach, threaten with anathema, prohibition, etc.

                        I have already explained everything above, penance does not apply to a secular person, and you continue to insist on your own. The church did not call for protests, let alone carry out pogroms; she called such actions barbarism, in fact, distanced herself from the pogromists and called on law enforcement agencies to conduct serious investigations. If desired, all this can be found on official sources of information, and not to take a bunch of garbage dumped by the yellow press and inadequate experts.
              2. +3
                19 September 2017 02: 06
                The church must condemn every arson and anathema do not understand who? More cops didn’t come to the place, but you already demand an anathema
                1. +1
                  19 September 2017 03: 20
                  Nicholas 2 - their saint! Is there anything wrong with the movie in the film? incomprehensible!
                2. 0
                  19 September 2017 08: 47
                  The church must condemn every arson and anathema do not understand who?

                  why don’t you understand whom?
                  quite understand the people who act on her behalf, and at least the duty of the church to distance themselves from these characters
      2. +1
        18 September 2017 19: 41
        Anathema is a curse. And all the church people. And such a person is no longer remembered as living. And these - may also grow wiser: who knows? But how much anger and hatred! And to whom !? To the one who created us and those who pray to him for Russia ... By the way, the fish in my aquarium are also sure that I do not exist ... And again: let's ask Teacher on behalf of the site to make a film about someone’s love affairs from the young leaders of the Jewish world. Oh, what will happen ...
    2. +2
      18 September 2017 18: 10
      Quote: bober1982
      The terrible Orthodox organization mentioned by the author is impostors unknown to anyone in the Orthodox world ...

      They talked about these exactly the same ... recourse
      1. +1
        18 September 2017 22: 00
        And behind these, someone’s special services were either yours or American.
        1. +2
          19 September 2017 21: 46
          Quote: User Kont
          And behind these, someone’s special services were either yours or American.

          Qatari and Turkish, for that matter. But this does not change the essence.
          This is your national misfortune, instead of solving the problem, you are looking for the guilty (this is easier). And when you find (or simply appoint) the guilty party - kicking him together and taking your soul away, you forget (or pretend) that the problem itself has not gone away. request
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      1. +2
        18 September 2017 14: 51
        Quote: ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH
        It seems that the Ukrainian political hemlock recalls just those who insult a brave man, a patriot of the Russian Federation.

        oh, how can I not remember the immortal Schweik again with his "I like when people become idiots squared." - Indeed, recently about the same "patriot of the Russian Federation" the article was published
        “The inhabitants of the peninsula greet the third anniversary of the Crimean spring with lost illusions. One of the losses was the bright image of Natalia Poklonskaya. The ex-public prosecutor’s immoderate passion for Nicholas II turned her from a symbol of returning to her homeland into an object of irony. And now a new spot in the sun: it turned out that in 2005, speaking as a state prosecutor in court, a certain N.V. Poklonskaya demanded 7,5 years in prison for an activist of the Russian community, Viktor Sazhin, because he tried to stop the train with the Orange Revolution participants who were going to “re-educate” Crimea. Sazha’s life was broken and still hasn’t been taken off.
        More details here, with all scans of documents

        https://primechaniya.ru/home/news/mart_2017/poklo
        nskaya_viktor_sazhin_poezd_druzhby /? _ utl_t = tw
        1. +2
          18 September 2017 14: 58
          Natalia Poklonskaya was put on the wanted list by Bandera Ukraine for her anti-fascist and pro-Russian activities. Will you deny this ?!
          1. +5
            18 September 2017 15: 04
            Quote: ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH
            Natalia Poklonskaya was put on the wanted list by Bandera Ukraine for her anti-fascist and pro-Russian activities. Will you deny this ?!
            well announced and what's next? along with it, tens of thousands more people were declared, from the Crimea and the Donbass, and from the Russian Federation. She just changed her shoes on time, now she is sitting in the State Duma. The truth is that nothing is heard about the fight against corruption, only it’s fighting Matilda
            1. +2
              18 September 2017 15: 17
              Quote: Stirbjorn
              well announced and what's next?

              That is, you are in solidarity with the Security Service of Ukraine and other Ukrainian Nazis regarding Poklonskaya ?!
              1. +1
                18 September 2017 15: 47
                Quote: ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH
                That is, you are in solidarity with the Security Service of Ukraine and other Ukrainian Nazis regarding Poklonskaya ?!

                Do you want to troll me? I have clearly expressed my opinion
                1. +2
                  18 September 2017 16: 05
                  Quote: Stirbjorn
                  I have clearly expressed my opinion

                  Your opinion coincides with the opinion of Ukrainian Bandera. Does this mean that you share the views of the ukronatsists ?!
                  1. aiw
                    +4
                    18 September 2017 20: 16
                    Your opinion coincides with the opinion of Bandera about the shape of the Earth. So you ukronatsist !!!
  11. +8
    18 September 2017 09: 31
    How many comments are here condemning the church. You will go to the temple, and there are few people and most women. But all evil in the world is flourishing. And now the attacks went to the church.
    1. aiw
      +9
      18 September 2017 09: 54
      Nothing harms the reputation of the Russian Orthodox Church as much as the actions of the Russian Orthodox Church and its ministers.
      1. +3
        18 September 2017 10: 19
        And what, the church has no right to protect itself?
        1. aiw
          +4
          18 September 2017 10: 23
          It has of course. But when the Church is defended by young people like Enteo, when the statements of some Church officials are contrary to the Orthodox canons, such a “defense” discredits the Church much more than any scandals involving luxury watches, cars, and priest’s apartments.
          1. +3
            18 September 2017 10: 33
            But what were the statements of Church officials that would go against the Orthodox canons?
            1. aiw
              +3
              18 September 2017 10: 45
              For example, google about V. Chaplin, when he was chairman of the Synodal Department for the Interaction of the Church and Society of the Moscow Patriarchate - he talked a lot. Yes, and now does not stop ... agreed to the fact that Kuraev called him an atheist. Kuraev is generally a recognized expert in theological matters hi
              1. +2
                18 September 2017 10: 53
                And you can’t say specifically.
              2. +2
                18 September 2017 13: 03
                Quote: aiw
                Kuraev is generally a recognized expert in theological matters

                Here you are mistaken, Father Andrew is a recognized expert in issues of "release", do not mislead people.
            2. +2
              18 September 2017 11: 05
              Quote: Stalingradpobeda
              But what were the statements of Church officials that would go against the Orthodox canons?

              what is at the entrance to almost any temple? correctly icon shop. how to relate this to the religious tradition of serving God and not mammon?
              1. +4
                18 September 2017 11: 09
                Well, the old record played. The church is trading. And where, tell me to buy more candles and icons?
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                  1. +3
                    18 September 2017 11: 19
                    And the services in the temple, the funeral of the dead and prayers for the people?
                    1. +3
                      18 September 2017 11: 28
                      funeral service for the dead, worship is by itself but it is inside the church. the church must be with the people, which is not. what does the church do for society? although it may well. at least organizationally or in terms of psychological assistance. and price list prayers frankly cause the wrong reaction.
                2. +1
                  18 September 2017 15: 40
                  What does "where" mean? Did I forget something, or did Jesus not expel merchants from the temple of God? No, that's right, he banished him according to the gospel.

                  So for any real Orthodox Christian, the question will not be “where else to buy candles and icons?”, But “why is it that what Jesus himself forbade is happening in the church?”
          2. +6
            18 September 2017 15: 11
            Sorry to interfere.
            One priest wrote: “There are people, there are a lot of them, whose lives have been given to disgrace the idea of ​​God by serving Him.”
            I explain: the Church did not ask anyone and did not authorize itself to protect itself. Thugs like Enteo are self-sufficient and act on their own behalf. Therefore, they cannot discredit the Church, if they can - only in someone's blunt brains, but this is no longer being treated. The size of the scandals due to cars, watches and apartments directly depends on the greed and envy of the observers of these scandals.
            1. aiw
              +1
              18 September 2017 20: 12
              Cool said, I just plus. The trouble is that among such people there are many ministers of the church ...

              The church did not ask anyone and did not authorize itself to protect.

              The role of the Russian Orthodox Church in the Pussy Riot case, Chaplin’s statements on this subject (and many others), as well as the clear connivance of the Russian Orthodox Church to the actions of Enteo and Co. are not consistent with your words.

              The size of the scandals due to cars, watches and apartments directly depends on the greed and envy of the observers of these scandals.

              Those. Do you think it is normal when a person who has the annual budget of a small orphanage in his hand and who, due to some old conflict, is ready to squeeze an opponent out of his opponent preaches non-possessiveness and humility? OK.
              1. +3
                19 September 2017 10: 44
                Quote: aiw
                The role of the Russian Orthodox Church in the Pussy Riot case, Chaplin’s statements on this subject (and many others), as well as the clear connivance of the Russian Orthodox Church to the actions of Enteo and Co. are not consistent with your words.
                Chaplin is no longer a "talking head", and his morale causes a certain skepticism. I already forgot this leader, so you recalled smile Well, then, my friend, I don’t speak on behalf of the Church - only the Council can speak on her behalf - I speak from my own. Of course and naturally, this is not consistent with one's perception. If I speak sensibly, someone else thinks not quite logically. If it brings me to the side of my commitment, the other thinks coldly and aloof. You can agree, you can disagree. If you think that with guns ... With guns there was a bust. With the guns there was a blow to the destruction of the shrine. You know, life can wind us up differently: someone goes to the temple, someone doesn't go, someone doesn't. But let the shrine be, there will be a place to come: to the temple, to the mosque, to the synagogue - let them be, and let these places remain holy in human understanding, so that there is where to come. I saw a granny of about 80, an old Komsomol worker who first came to the church to be baptized (!!). She could not stand and sat on a stool. I have not seen such light, such a transformation on a human face anymore. The shrine should be.
                About connivance: the Ministry of the Interior is responsible for connivance. You do not confuse? How many faces regularly spit in the throne of the church fence, and now there was one that spat in the opposite direction. And you want her to spit a cuspidor right away from this fence? Would you do that yourself? Suppose someone writes bad words on your summer cottage, and a passerby scolded or grabbed a bastard by the ear (and they are not artists, but real bastards). Will you run that passer by hand to grab? Oh oh You will sit by the window in the quiet joy that at least one decent person has been found. wink
                The size of the scandals due to cars, watches and apartments directly depends on the greed and envy of the observers of these scandals.
                Those. Do you think it is normal when a person who has the annual budget of a small orphanage in his hand and who, due to some old conflict, is ready to squeeze an opponent out of his opponent preaches non-possessiveness and humility? OK.
                I don’t think so. I don’t think so. And even add that: in the Orthodox Encyclopedia, an article about Jesus Christ takes 39 pages. An article about the patriarch of the present - 119 pages. I will not comment, so as not to judge. Condemning this is not my business. Is this your business? As you wish. Sincerely and with respect.
                1. aiw
                  +1
                  19 September 2017 11: 05
                  First of all, thanks for the well-balanced answers, it’s a rarity now - I’m right now you are deeply cute hi

                  About Pussy - I do not approve of their actions, but the IMNO punishment did not correspond to the gravity of the act. Especially against the backdrop of the actions of Orthodox activists. Of course, one can say that the Russian Orthodox Church has nothing to do with it, and so it happened by chance - but the facts say the opposite (when you begin to bring the code of the Church Councils in court, you know ...). Together with everything else ... Our church is de jure separated from the state, de facto this is not so (well, there is such a feeling). And this, IMNO, primarily harms the Church itself. I completely agree with you that “The Shrine should be ...” - and so, in my eyes, no dancing by outsiders on the pulpit can destroy the Shrine - people like Chaplin and Co., whose actions run counter to by the Ideas on which this Shrine is based.

                  About "not to judge and not to condemn ..." - every action gives rise to opposition. If the Russian Orthodox Church and its entourage begins to actively engage in secular life, if some of its ministers are actively trying to ban films and theatrical performances, then let the Russian Orthodox Church be prepared for non-churches to discuss and condemn the Russian Orthodox Church. Because by such actions the ROC automatically loses in the eyes of citizens the status of the Shrine itself, which should be, and turns into an ordinary public organization, such as the CPSU of the late stagnation era. For many, communism was also a Shrine; people consciously went to death for it ...
                  1. +2
                    19 September 2017 12: 52
                    First of all, thanks for the well-balanced answers, it’s a rarity now - I’m right now you are deeply cute
                    drinks
                    The Russian Orthodox Church has nothing to do with it, and so it happened by accident - but the facts speak otherwise (when you start to bring the code of the Church Councils in court you know ...).
                    I think that church laws, church law are much older than the current secular one - these laws are on average 1500 years old, this is the very charter in the very monastery where you should not go with your own. In a secular court, these rules of law were cited as illustrations, which should emphasize the sacrilege of this vile trick and the degree of insult.
                    The church cannot be destroyed by anything and nobody. This was stated by its Founder, on whose Blood it is based.
                    If the Russian Orthodox Church and its entourage begins to actively engage in secular life, if some of its ministers are actively trying to ban films and theatrical performances, then let the Russian Orthodox Church be prepared for non-churches to discuss and condemn the Russian Orthodox Church.
                    Poklonskaya is not a servant of the Russian Orthodox Church. You know, I’m not at all a fan of the king who abandoned his country and his people in such a difficult moment - and with the blood of how many millions the country paid for it over the next 40 years! He denied - and as a king does not matter. If citizen Romanov after renunciation becomes a martyr, pray to him as a citizen. But we are not talking about this, I'm sorry.
                    You know, they condemned and condemned the Founder of the Church - to painful and shameful execution. The Church has been condemned for one reason or another for 3 thousand years, but it will not become a public organization. And never will be. Because she has her own secret. And for this secret people will go to death or stand to death until the end of the century. wink This is not because I think so - it is a fact. The Russian Orthodox Church does not bend under someone’s opinion. She is what she was born 1000 years ago.
                    Look at those that have caved in - Western Christianity. Chairs, short and comfortable services, lack of fasting, slot machines or beer machines in temples, wedding of perverts, female priesthood ... is a common public organization. hi
                    1. aiw
                      0
                      19 September 2017 13: 07
                      Duc in the Russian Orthodox Church and no one with some charter does not come. Does anyone give instructions on how to conduct rituals, etc.? On the contrary, the Russian Orthodox Church is trying to go into the world with its charter ...

                      Poklonskaya is not a minister, but Chaplin is quite for himself.

                      And as for the inflexibility of the Russian Orthodox Church, I would argue ... The Russian Orthodox Church caved in under any authority, whatever comes from the Tatar-Mongol to the Bolsheviks. If any particular hierarch or group of hierarchs was against it, it was destroyed. Yes, and in the present history there are examples - say, blessed memory, Alexander Men ...

                      The Western Church has adapted to the world, the Russian Orthodox Church is not quite. It is difficult to judge which is better - and in both ways there are pros and cons. The world has changed, and literally following the canons of 1000 years ago will not end in anything good ... especially if you leave a letter from these canons and emasculate the spirit.
                      1. +4
                        19 September 2017 15: 42
                        Two, the canons of the Church two thousand years ago. However, it is time to stop this conversation, it is becoming more empty and absurd. All the canons of the Church fit into a prayer called the Creed. Every liturgy is sung by everyone who came to the temple, and everybody who reads the morning rule also speaks daily. You can read it, it is in every prayer book. The Church has no other canons. I leave all your rest without objection. In the Gospel you will find all the objections that I have not made. hi
    2. +1
      18 September 2017 11: 22
      Quote: Stalingradpobeda
      And now the attacks went to the church

      And rightly so, let's go. Now they go to the Church only when you are really afraid of death. There is no other motivation. Well, maybe a wedding. Where is faith? And where is the struggle for minds and hearts? Where is the upbringing? Smartphones win.
      1. +2
        18 September 2017 14: 09
        Dear aybolyt678, people themselves must first of all fight. You will not be forcibly sweet.
  12. +8
    18 September 2017 09: 47
    Quote: Stirbjorn
    Why some lady from Ukraine, quickly turning over to the Russian woman, along with the “barbarians and Gopnik” religious movements that nobody knows (now, according to representatives of the Russian Orthodox Church) will decide which actions of historical characters fall out of history and which are not?
    Very subtly noticed, because Poklonskaya essentially copies the Ukrainian elite. There is such a limitless clowning, just in fashion - the same Lyashko, Tymoshenko and other smaller ones ... all in order to stay in the rating. So the crazy Nyasha, the same product of the Ukrainian political system, is clowning around with us, without brakes

    I agree, the article is provocative, the film is a provocation. The whole situation with the film serves to split Russian society. Poklonskaya is simply used for this purpose. But the article is dirty, the author needs to be remembered, he is not a well-wisher of Russia, definitely. Poklonskaya earned Russian citizenship more than having it since birth. The argument is still good that the wars on the Kulikovo field are not related to the Orthodox Church, and indeed it is Orthodox, and not Russian at all, but Greek. Here we must remember Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya, who is crazy and generally caused a lot of problems to the local population. All go to the canvas. The information war is in full swing. The battle goes on in all significant directions: history (including iconic persons), sports, ROC, state. figures. But I think that the Russian state will successfully pass this period, and we will all gain experience and vaccination of the information war. All peace and prudence.
    1. +6
      18 September 2017 10: 27
      Poklonskaya earned Russian citizenship more than having it since birth
      In fact, the author at the time when it seemed to us that the wind of change blew (2014) helped Donbass a lot. But who is Poklonskaya? She happened to be in the right place at the right time. Suddenly I arrived at the place where the events began, now it’s clear, prepared in advance. Poklonskaya was not part of the prosecutor’s corps of Crimea, and suddenly she alone turned out to be the most daring of all prosecutors. And the form was found, you, too, go on vacation in uniform? She sat quietly for a year. And suddenly on Victory Day pulled out her Nicholas. By the way, then I wrote a lot on this topic, but why the fact of replacing the story of Nikolai on Victory Day did not offend anyone.
      1. +7
        18 September 2017 10: 55
        Nicholas on Victory Day, did not offend anyone.


        Nicholas 2 at the celebration of Victory Day - this is some kind of. Honestly, I did not believe my eyes, and then I had to admit: yes, here’s the "icon" of Nicholas in the hands of the Crimean prosecutor, here’s the march "Immortal Regiment". I still don’t understand what this performance is for and what it means.
        1. +2
          18 September 2017 11: 08
          what is this performance for
          Well, that was the beginning, today we are seeing a sequel. And God forbid they will be allowed to complete.
      2. +3
        18 September 2017 11: 18
        Quote: Gardamir
        Poklonskaya was not part of the prosecutor’s corps of Crimea,

        She was a prosecutor, my friend, even as she was. Damage to the facial nerves has earned her for her love of truth, so there are few wrinkles. Study the question
        1. +1
          18 September 2017 11: 27
          Study the question
          Who argues, was. But not in the Crimea, but in the Crimea she allegedly came to her mother.
          1. +2
            19 September 2017 03: 23
            All of us, my friend, are supposedly Russian ... but we come to Canada, Australia, and we are already theirs.
            unlike Jews, gypsies, Chinese.
      3. +2
        19 September 2017 02: 18
        Despite the fact that Poklonskaya moved on Nikolai, Her past real merits in the return of Crimea cannot be underestimated. What the author of this libel did there is unknown, and Poklonskaya is a public man and has really done a lot. In my opinion, they are now using it stupidly, but she does not shine with her mind and cannot understand this.
    2. +3
      18 September 2017 12: 46
      Quote: ALSur
      Poklonskaya earned Russian citizenship more than having it since birth

      but in relation to Nikolai Alexandrovich Romanov, I disagree with her.
  13. +6
    18 September 2017 10: 14
    Well, Nikolai Romanov was canonized as a martyr and martyr. I do not dispute, although I have a slightly different opinion about holiness.

    I absolutely share the point of view of the author. I will say more - the crown is always removed with the head! If he voluntarily denied it, he knew what you were going to, and what his family (at least), and his country, with hundreds of millions of inhabitants, were doomed to in such a difficult, historical moment. Moreover, you had a very thorough hand in this historic dead end. This means that those inhabitants who went to death for Vera, Tsar and Fatherland simply betrayed.

    I can not get past the attacks on the Russian Orthodox Church. Lay people, doesn’t it seem to you that the matter is not in the Russian Orthodox Church, not in the Law of God in schools, and not in secular laws about insulting the feelings of believers? This is a topic for another discussion. It's about a specific movie. The Orthodox Church, which is outside of state policy, has remained above the situation: it does not prohibit and does not allow. Those. each is given his choice: act in conscience. If you want - go look and reason, do not want - do not look and continue to condemn! I think that’s right. I think if one of the modern directors would think of making a film about the hot revolutionary love of Lenin and Armand, or Dybenko and Kollontai, then there would be no less debate. Again - look and reason! Do you want to watch - all the conversations - not in essence the filmed "movie masterpiece" but from the category "by the way, about the birds."

    Personally, I’ll go and see to have my own opinion about a particular film!

    Mrs. Poklonskaya N.V., a State Duma deputy, an outstanding lawmaker and a lawyer by training, would allow himself to remind popular wisdom: (C) "Make a fool pray to God - he will break his forehead", and also wish him great success in his work!
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      1. +4
        18 September 2017 10: 37
        As for the story, I’m not at all sure of anything. History is a corrupt girl and always falls under the winners. And you know about it no worse than me.

        I emphasize that the main message of my statement is not about history, not about the Church and other things that are currently of secondary importance, but that if you didn’t look, there’s nothing to talk about. Look and reason! What does the lament for the mutilated pogroms (to which I have nothing to do either historically or nationally) and the Revolution of Stainless? The revolution was admitted precisely by the Vicar of God, the canonized Tsar and the Emperor of All Russia. And when the smell is fried -
        he tore off the Crown, and drove into the bushes. It is he who is responsible for everything that happened, therefore, my opinion about his canonization is very, very critical. Just what is done is done. You can’t go back now, because it will cause a huge public outcry. Better, let it stay.
        1. +2
          18 September 2017 13: 48
          Ursus, you, like many, look too narrowly at the overthrow of the king. It was not just one person’s renunciation of power. But there was a betrayal of Russia, a large part of the power structures, the nobility, and officials.
          1. +1
            18 September 2017 17: 37
            You know, my friend, I already look to the extent of modest intellectual capabilities.
            The leader is always evaluated according to 2 main criteria:
            - whom does he bring to himself
            - how they work in his absence.
            And no need for the nobility, clergy, boyars and Cossacks. If the autocrat is a jerk, then the state is ruled by all and sundry.
    2. aiw
      +3
      18 September 2017 10: 31
      I can not get past the attacks on the Russian Orthodox Church. Lay people, doesn’t it seem to you that the matter is not in the Russian Orthodox Church, not in the Law of God in schools, and not in secular laws about insulting the feelings of believers? This is a topic for another discussion.

      If we talk about this particular picture, the arson and threats associated with this particular picture, IMNO, would have been unthinkable without some background - Anteo's tricks, the trial of Pussy, etc. Radically-minded fanatics from scratch do not start. Well, the reaction of the Russian Orthodox Church to the tricks of these fanatics is much more restrained than to the same Pussy Riot - although this and that is directly connected with faith and the Russian Orthodox Church, it is incommensurable in terms of public danger.

      And I agree, +1.
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  14. +8
    18 September 2017 11: 01
    I liked the article: honestly and on business. Surprising only this phenomenon is not worth it. VS remember last year and Ambassador Teft: $ 500 million to destabilize Russia. Money works. And these "Orthodox gopniks" - for the very money. They are the same Orthodox and patriots, as criminals and gopniks from the Ukrainian terbats - one nature, crappy.
    1. 0
      18 September 2017 22: 07
      He is from some sect.
  15. +2
    18 September 2017 11: 14
    Enrages the fact that Nicholas II plays a porn actor
    1. +4
      18 September 2017 11: 21
      They are swine in our past. Finding out the bad.
    2. 0
      18 September 2017 12: 31
      Quote: aybolyt678
      Enrages the fact that Nicholas II plays a porn actor

      What kind of porn actor is he? Do not make me laugh.
      1. +2
        18 September 2017 12: 53
        In life, he paints nails for example. Infa a lot. The question is also that with State money, the state took 25 percent of real expenses to invite an actor abroad ?? rest assured that the 75 percent remaining are just postscripts. theft
        1. +2
          18 September 2017 13: 31
          Quote: aybolyt678
          In life, he paints nails for example.

          Remember "Girls Only in Jazz"? - Yes, I'm generally a man! - Each has its own shortcomings.
          The fact that he is a porn actor does not prove it. Nicholas II himself also did not have black earth and fingernail slag under his nails. So without experiencing any warm feelings either for this movie or for this actor, it’s still worth recognizing the fact that this is a lie.
        2. +3
          18 September 2017 15: 44
          In life, he paints nails for example.


          It is very interesting how this nail polishing makes a porn actor out of a man? By the way, you might be surprised, but a huge number of actors and other public figures and manicures are doing, and they use makeup regardless of gender (a TV presenter without special makeup on television is simply unthinkable) and generally do plastic surgery. And this is the norm of the industry, each news release that you watch, each at least a modern film and series. And so I suspect do not frown. And here you see the nails are painting!
  16. +5
    18 September 2017 11: 32
    I have a question for our government. When do you start making good films with taxpayers' money? The films "Defenders", "Pregnant", "Return of the Musketeers", now "Matilda". Where does the money go?
    1. +5
      18 September 2017 11: 43
      The defenders showed the film by February 23. But in fact the main defenders crap. And traitors and do not know a damn. Seeing the trailers thought at last they will show how our specialists can act, our equipment. And here they are both traitors and downs, and they don’t know a damn thing. Provided that we have not forgotten how to work without electronics at all and without electronics.
      1. +3
        18 September 2017 11: 47
        The government allocates huge amounts of money to create films discrediting our army, patriotism and religion.
  17. 0
    18 September 2017 11: 33
    21st century ..... Tin ..
  18. +4
    18 September 2017 11: 40
    Let me remind you that H2 abdicated. He is not a king, but an ordinary worldly man.
    1. +4
      18 September 2017 11: 56
      He is not a king, but an ordinary worldly man.
      That's it! For example, Alexander 2, blown up by the Narodnaya Volya, did not die immediately, but suffered for almost half a day, but not a martyr. Paul 1 killed by vile conspirators and no one grieves the same.
  19. +1
    18 September 2017 11: 44
    I don’t understand, what is the problem of this film? Matrosit and quit? So he is not the only one. Is he king? So at that moment he was not only a non-king, but also a non-heir. What is the problem? Why has this movie been persuaded for over a year now?
    1. +3
      18 September 2017 12: 01
      Why has this movie been persuaded for over a year now?
      Well this is such a tricky chip. Praising the tsar they beat throughout Soviet. And then they hit the Christians, because the Christians burn. And I’m more than sure that these so-called Christians, even Our Father’s, will not be considered
      And who knows, maybe a lot of things and maidan and other countriesquake begin.
  20. +5
    18 September 2017 11: 53
    who wrote this rubbish with a paper-maraca, not a damn thing can be understood either in Orthodoxy or in human ethics in general
  21. +7
    18 September 2017 11: 56
    read the comments of deeply respected each other participants in. Satanic Sabbath
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  22. +1
    18 September 2017 11: 59
    I really wondered who the author was. In other matters, nothing new. By the way, your conclusion "I’ll go see what kind of movie it is," don’t you think that with this black PR you, like a lamb in a stall, that is, to a movie theater, were brought and told you to "watch"? Does life teach you anything? What does the story absolutely repeat with the “28 Panfilovites” like a lamb, like a lamb ... And something is not heard so that devastating articles about the “myth” come out again. A month after the rental, everyone forgot about the film. And about Viking, here you rightly noticed. It’s up to the viewer to decide what to watch and what not. And I belong to those who liked the film. And no one else's opinion affected my.
  23. +4
    18 September 2017 12: 21
    It's not about Nicolas and Matilda, not in the church. But if someone brings the fuse to the barrel of gunpowder, then someone needs it. The film will be held. And people who like to burn will be sent in a different direction.
    Therefore, as always, I am in my repertoire. But what about this one, which is responsible only for foreign policy, does not interest him at all in the peace of the country. Or, as his supporters say, it’s not time yet ... they didn’t burn everything.
  24. +7
    18 September 2017 12: 32
    The novel, in my opinion, this whole story is a solid “mutilda”, sucked out of a finger, provoked before the release of the screens, and here you are stuck in it like in a cow cake. Your article, like its root cause, pulled into the world a bunch of garbage stored in the heads of communists / monarchists / liberals / democrats and all who consider themselves worthy write a story. You wanted to scandal on the site - it so happened, the abomination in the comments blooms and smells, it is disgusting to read. About Kerensky why the film was not made, how he ran in a dress - where the plot! Did the transgender topic attract something? No, K. is simply not interested in anyone. But to hook society on such a scandalous figure as Nikolai, to cause controversy - this is the dream of the "artist". And I will say so - I will consider “Matilda” as a literary work immediately after filming by the same group of authors of a film about four Righteous Caliphs, with a “small artistic refinement” about human weaknesses inherent in each of them. Then we look at the reaction of the corresponding part of society. And then their Orthodox extremism appeared ... I’m disgusted with extremism in general, and here, judging by the comments, extremism bloomed godless.
  25. +4
    18 September 2017 12: 44
    I want to express my point of view different from most of those present: - Matilda is a film created with state money. Does the state need such films? A film about a canonized person ... there are two questions at once: for what suffering and deeds did the church canonize Nicholas? Well, the church was wrong. But the state should still have some sort of commission that asks on what basis for the role of the protagonist was invited a foreign pornstar? What historical facts were highlighted? what educational and enlightening work is carried out? How many historians have advised?
    Poklonskaya is trying to fight from all sides, but where is the Church protecting its martyrs? Where is the state defending its interests through financing dubious scenarios?
    1. +3
      18 September 2017 13: 12
      Quote: aybolyt678
      invited to the role of the protagonist overseas pornstar?

      Can you list in which porn movies this actor starred?

      I’ll make a reservation right away - I’m not justifying anyone, the film is not interesting to me, this actor is also, the ROC is all the more boring. It's just that if a person is called a pornstar, then there is a list of his works, not from scratch, they call him that. So I wonder what kind of star this is.
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    2. +3
      18 September 2017 18: 24
      for what suffering and deeds did the church canonize Nicholas? Well, the church was wrong.

      The church was not mistaken. They canonized Nicholas as a man who accepted death with dignity, but not for his lifetime work.
      on what basis was a foreign pornstar invited to the role of the protagonist?

      the actor was invited as the most similar to the main character. Sylvester Stallone also starred in porn films in his youth. So what? Good actor. Or maybe you can’t act in the role of the king to the one who played the role of red commissars before this?
  26. +4
    18 September 2017 12: 50
    Double opinion from the article. Extremism, whatever you call it, remains. It’s bad that the phrase “Orthodox extremism” turned out. This for me as a believer sounds ridiculous and insulting. But it says, “The Church is not a meeting of saints, but a crowd of repenting sinners,” according to which the film “Matilda” and the noise created around it are working out money invested in certain “ultra-patriotic” circles and structures. Yes, and perhaps in the film itself. You understand by yourself. And in the church environment there are a lot of unbalanced, and even mentally unhealthy people. So, I support the position of the Russian Orthodox Church.
    I don’t agree about “strangling this“ Orthodox extremism ”in the bud. The film will pass and all will calm down. And all sorts of“ gonfalon bearers ”and others like them will remain in the minority. Who knew about them until it was created, as they say“ hype ” "? So soon everything will calm down by itself. If there are illegal actions, it is necessary to recover from the guilty in all severity .. And we must write about this in the press.
    I won’t go to the film myself. For ideological reasons. I sincerely think that in our history there is much that could be made to make a good film. Something like this...
    1. 0
      18 September 2017 15: 50
      I don’t agree about “strangling this“ Orthodox extremism ”in the bud. The film will pass and all will calm down. And all sorts of“ gonfalon bearers ”and others like them will remain in the minority. Who knew about them until it was created, as they say“ hype ” "? So soon everything will calm down by itself.


      It has not calmed down since the process of "dogs", it was then that the same Etneo began to perform his antics and continues to this day. And not only he, there are many groups of "Orthodox" extremists, and, characteristically, some even almost officially enjoy church support. As an example, “Forty Magpies” and Torfyanka Park. At the same time, what happens when nothing happens for the “activists” for absolutely specific offenses, cases with the wave of a magic wand cease, and so on. alluding to support in power ...
  27. +2
    18 September 2017 13: 09
    Alex_59,
    Quote: Alex_59
    Bravo! The subscriber’s brain has been taken out, the party’s opinion relay has been inserted ... oh, that is, the patriarchs. I have not read it, but I condemn it.
    Darkness...

    Twenty-five again, I’m talking about peer review, but you’re talking about something you didn’t read.
    1. +2
      18 September 2017 13: 33
      Quote: bober1982
      I read carefully - these same conclusions.

      Have you personally watched a movie? Yes or no? (just one word in the answer)
      1. +1
        18 September 2017 13: 35
        Quote: Alex_59
        Twenty-five again
        1. +4
          18 September 2017 13: 50
          Quote: bober1982
          Quote: Alex_59
          Twenty-five again

          That is, there is nothing to answer. Okay.
          I'm interested in history. Previously, in Soviet times, Bolshevik and party leaders with their own independent thinking were very ill. Often they very much accepted the thoughts thought up by them by the top leaders without questioning them. Why think? There is a Central Committee for this. So, in fact, the persecution of many talented engineers, military, and cultural figures took place. If the party has decided that one or another phenomenon is harmful, then that is the way it is, and we must engage in its condemnation. For example, if Mandelstam is dirt and abomination, then it is. Well and so on. The result we know. It happens when you think laziness, but there is someone who thinks for you. Here. Well, this is me, by the way, of course, this has nothing to do with this topic, and even more so I did not want to offend the feelings of believers.
          1. +2
            18 September 2017 14: 21
            Comparing the Central Committee with the Church is certainly something. The Bolshevik party leaders, together with the Central Committee and senior leaders + many cultural workers, military and engineers, have gone into oblivion, and the Church has been, is and will be, and has always been persecuted, and this film will survive.
            Quote: Alex_59
            It happens when you think laziness, but there is someone who thinks for you. Here.

            The church never .........thinking for you, just the opposite, you have to strain yourself.
            1. +1
              18 September 2017 15: 12
              Quote: bober1982
              The church never ......... thinks for you, just the opposite, you have to strain yourself.

              Well. Have you watched a movie? The question is simple as twice two. Yes or no?
  28. BAI
    0
    18 September 2017 13: 42
    And today an article just appeared with this gentleman: / http: //www.mk.ru/social/2017/09/17/li
    der-khristianskogo-gosudarstva-o-matilde-i-poklon
    skoy-zreet-dukhovnograzhdanskaya-voyna.html /

    33-year-old leader of the “Christian state - Holy Russia” Alexander Kalinin

    As they say, find 10 differences in appearance and action from ISIS (How is the Islamic state (prohibited in the Russian Federation) different from the Christian state (allowed in the Russian Federation))?
    But the photo of the letter is in doubt. Because this leader directly speaks in the specified interview:

    "“But did your people send threatening letters?”

    - Sent. But these letters were checked, and the corpus delicti was not found in their content. We added company zest to the text of the letter, used the word “if”. I'm not either. Once I was in charge of a legal consultation, among my friends there are many lawyers who compose literate letters. The letters contained only a warning; no threats were discussed. "

    And in the photo of the letter there is no word "if".
    1. +4
      18 September 2017 15: 13
      Comparing Orthodox Christians with terrorists is very stupid.
  29. +5
    18 September 2017 15: 15
    The article is "with a darling." The author either does not know or knows, but deliberately ignores both the historical texture and the development of events around the "controversial" film. And, most likely, the essence of the matter is deliberately blundered: budget cuts that flourish in the Ministry of Culture. As for the so-called “creativity” of the so-called “teacher,” don’t take what you share, except it does not cause a gag reflex. That the "Edge", that the "Cosmos as a Premonition", that ... I believe that our people did not deserve to have their history, its achievements spit like that. Therefore, people rebel against this lie. But Natalya Poklonskaya did not shrink from her deputy duties an iota. Don’t hang noodles. Everything is done strictly in accordance with the Law. And it responds to hundreds of thousands of calls from voters.
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    2. +1
      18 September 2017 17: 52
      historical texture
      share your knowledge.
  30. +5
    18 September 2017 16: 36
    After Poklonskaya’s statement about the myrrh-streaming bust of Nicholas in the courtyard of the Prosecutor’s Office (which is refuted by the diocesan commission), I realized that she should be shown to the profile doctor
  31. 0
    18 September 2017 16: 52
    Matilda does not violate any human laws. Atheists live in this world on a par with Christians and Muslims. And the atheists want themselves, their low entertainment. "Come on to the film!" And they have a right to it. The right given by God. They serve mammon. And Jesus Christ never condemned us sinners in anything. But warned. And that means the Orthodox Church, which is the Body of Christ, cannot condemn and forbid, but exhort. Christ in the gospel told us
    "If your brother sins against you, go and convict him between you and him alone; if he listens to you, you have acquired your brother;
    if he does not listen, take one or two more with you, so that by the mouth of two or three witnesses any word will be confirmed;
    if he does not listen to them, tell the church; and if he doesn’t listen to the church, then let him be to you, as a heathen and a tax collector. "(Matthew 18)
    From this Word we conclude that no one is obliged to listen to the Church, but only one who wants to be saved.
    The gospel is commanded by Christians not to harm the Gentiles and the atheists. Here is an example.
    "When the days of His taking from the world were drawing near, He wanted to go to Jerusalem; and he sent messengers before his face; and they went and went into the village of Samaryan; to prepare for him; but they did not receive him, because he had the appearance of a traveler in Jerusalem: Seeing that, his disciples, James and John, said: Lord, do you want us to tell the fire to come down from heaven and destroy them, just like Elijah did? But He turned to them, forbade them and said: you don’t know what spirit you are, for the Son of Man did not come to destroy the souls of men, but to save. And they went to another village. "(Luke 9:51)

    Praying to God, we see.
    1. That Poklonskaya and other fighters with Matilda act recklessly, seeing specks in the eyes of others, when they do mischief in the Name of the Lord.
    2. For some reason, our Most Holy Patriarch did not exhort (but perhaps he exhorted, I do not know) the Teacher in his godly undertaking.
    3. And that a Christian who wants to save himself and his family will not go to the film Matilda, but will not participate in its discussion. Keeping peace in the shower.


    The film can be judged by a worldly court. And blame him for lying to the king. And the invention of his relationship to people. The king-personality is not fictitious, which means inventing acts for him to discredit his crime, both moral and criminal. I think the king’s family will sue Teacher.
    1. +1
      18 September 2017 17: 41
      Quote: Love is
      I think the king’s family will sue Teacher.

      He will not sue, there is no Tsar’s family. Olga Nikolaevna Kulikovskaya-Romanova filed a lawsuit against the Teacher.
      Quote: Love is
      That Poklonskaya and other fighters with Matilda act recklessly, seeing specks in the eyes of others, when they do mischief in the Name of the Lord.

      Very rash words, it turns out they see specks, but you do not see them.
      Quote: Love is
      For some reason, His Holiness our Patriarch did not exhort (but maybe he exhorted, I don’t know) Teachers in his godless venture.

      If you are not sure, why talk at all? if not known.
      Quote: Love is
      Keeping peace in the shower.

      Not the case, far gone.
      In my opinion, you are fond of quoting the Gospel, no one here needs this, only to anger and run into blasphemy with their side.
      1. 0
        18 September 2017 19: 55
        Very rash words, it turns out they see specks, but you do not see them.
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          18 September 2017 20: 02
          Quote: Love is
          For some reason, His Holiness our Patriarch did not exhort (but maybe exhorted, I do not know) the Teacher in his godless undertaking.

          Here is what you say: that our Patriarch did not exhort, you affirm, this was fixed in the head (s), but then you report absolutely ridiculously
          Quote: Love is
          but maybe exhorted, I don’t know
          , but somehow modestly, they even indicated in parentheses. How to understand this? and according to the gospel texts that you love to quote, you have a log in your eye.
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            18 September 2017 22: 48
            Nor should anyone ask whether it is necessary to spread the glory of God with the writing hand, either verbally or by good deeds. We are obliged to do this to the best of our ability and ability. Talents must be used. If you think about this simple matter, then the devil, perhaps, will inspire you with the absurdity that you need only internal work.

            St. right John of Kronstadt
    2. +1
      18 September 2017 18: 46
      Did you get a license to preach? No? The king’s family? Who do you mean?
      1. 0
        18 September 2017 19: 05
        Quote: Captain Nemo
        I think the king’s family will sue Teacher.

        You ask him (Love is) that you are asking me a question.
        Quote: Captain Nemo
        there is no king family

        That was my answer.

        Quote: Captain Nemo
        Who do you mean?

        I repeat, not a question for me.
        1. 0
          18 September 2017 20: 24
          Sorry, I'm braking wink
          1. 0
            18 September 2017 20: 29
            Sometimes it’s probably enough for today, everyone was already overexcited.
      2. 0
        18 September 2017 20: 59
        I do not need a license. So I did not get it. The king’s family is his family. Romanovs. Something like this.
  32. +2
    18 September 2017 18: 30
    Who does he believe? And Teacher himself said that the film is "promonarchical." He showed Nicholas as good (already takes a tear), which he had never been. Despite his love for Matilda, he found the strength to become the head of the state and lead a life worthy of the king. According to the film, having learned about the tragedy on Khodynka, Nikolai came there and knelt praying for the innocently dead people. Although really having fun at the ball.
    Let's watch a movie and then discuss.
  33. V
    0
    18 September 2017 19: 27
    Nothing changes.
    And what, all of a sudden forgot how Christianity was imposed on Our Motherland? When was this "religion" imposed on us in Russia? About half the population was destroyed. Have there been few deaths in Europe from the "Holy Inquisition", few "Crusades" in which representatives of other religions were destroyed in the Middle Ages?
    First, one religion is used by the "owners of money" as a ram for other people, of another religion. The situation has changed, so we need to use others as a battering ram, which we see in the current situation.
    It is not surprising that one religion was "steered" perfectly, blew up the entire near and far east. Now, once again, the situation has changed and you can “steer” another religion - you can make Christianity radical. And then, all of a sudden, they need more than 30 thousand (!) Denominations in Christianity, they still need to radicalize local “imams” in order to be sure.
    "Divide and Conquer" - in all its glory.
  34. +2
    18 September 2017 19: 42
    with a prayer to Christ, Russia won ALL of its victories, without God and Orthodoxy Russia will not be! The enemies of Orthodoxy - the enemies of Suvorov, Kutuzov, Ushakov, Lazarev and even Stalin, he had one education and it was Seminar, and if anyone says that it does not matter, he’s just a fool.
  35. 0
    18 September 2017 20: 35
    Everything is written correctly. The author is a plus.
  36. 0
    18 September 2017 21: 53
    Interestingly, and those who did not watch Matilda in the movies, but downloaded from the torrent, will the members of the KHSR calculate IP by IP? what
  37. +3
    18 September 2017 22: 29
    Every day in the media I see at least one article on this topic. This srach already really got it! All these matildas, teachers, worshipers and other crap. It seems that the passions are heated specially in order to divert attention from something more significant.
  38. 0
    19 September 2017 09: 34
    I respect Skomorokhov for good analytical articles, but for objectivity in a vision you should read O. Tikhon Shevkunov’s answer to the question of the correspondent of CP about this film. What the Orthodox and the Russian Orthodox Church disagree with.
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  41. +1
    20 September 2017 08: 22
    I still do not understand why everyone is running around with this Matilda? Well, the king-rag ran some kind of ballerina, so what? Raised high from scratch.
  42. 0
    20 September 2017 15: 25
    Judging by the name "organization" - a provocation sewn with white thread in the style of a novel by Yu. Semenova about "TASS is authorized ..." etc. The leader was detained at the request of Poklonskaya herself, now let's see who he worked for. Pogroms, to be exact, began back in the time of Vladimir Monomakh (L. Gumilyov, "From Russia to Russia", 1113, Kiev, beating, and then expelling Jewish moneylenders), they also happened during the years of Polish occupation of Ukrainian lands, and they cannot be justified even if representatives are coming under the slogan "We gave you God and we will give the king. " Russia has become a powerful power thanks to the union of Russians, Tatars, peoples of the North, Volga, Urals, Siberia, other lands, and Jews, of course, too. Any extremism is disgusting - but here it is either a mentally ill and socially dangerous type, or a provocation. Therefore, not being an orthodox, I do not support the film. The author is right, cautious about the canonization of the royal family - but nevertheless, we leave this decision, as it should be, to the church, and believers should accept it as a fact. Well, unbelievers can take advantage of the opportunities of non-public viewing, on the Internet, for example. I believe that after the canonization and recognition by the church of the feat of the martyrs, who consciously went to the slaughter in the name of saving the country from the big cove, although it did not work out again, such exacerbations should be avoided, since it also looks like a provocation, like a stone thrown into water (in the hive, as you wish, there is also someone to call a hornet’s nest). Provocation. Slaughter about the patient, and then shout about extremism, fanaticism, human rights, democracy, the Maidan to collect your own .. And this is a painful, very painful place, because even - you see - they also don’t understand canonization, well, they forgot in the country in for the majority of their foundations of Orthodoxy, etc., they don’t want to study in any way, the civil war hasn’t ended yet, especially in our situation, aggravated by such a stratification of society, and it’s so easy to undermine peace, to blow up relative stability - and again the revolution blood again? To embitter people, and then condemn. You see how - in 1905 it was necessary to speak, not to shoot, but in 1917 it turned out that it was necessary to shoot - and someone thinks differently. The king was defeated and died as a martyr. So bad? Peter is good, with garlands of archers on the Kremlin walls. Success is never blamed. Let's just leave the king alone, this is our pain, no need to fiddle, emery to drive along the wound. Let's think about whether we can make an objective film about the tsar, including with the participation of the Orthodox public, balanced, and the mistakes and plans are quite progressive to remember him. Ask Zyuganov - would you also shoot at them? George, a good English relative, was recalled who refused to accept the royal family when Kerensky proposed this. About peace proposals, about the fight against illiteracy, which began under the tsar, about alcoholization, about the plans for electrification, interest in the country's technical development, the way to the East, I’ll travel along the Volga with the reception of shipowners in Nizhny, after which the merchants launched such charity there. And yes, Rasputin, yes, on January 9, the commission that never found the perpetrators of the Lensky execution ... The prophecy, whether you believe it or not, was, and there was a choice, it was made - and therefore canonization. No, it’s easier to say from the height of your era - the king is weak, the king is bad, you can wipe his feet on him. So he is a saint - but what are they worth, your shrines, and you don’t have anything sacred, and you have to be beaten for all this, with sanctions and resources, and this is unfair, in general, a chain.
  43. 0
    20 September 2017 17: 34
    like husband and father - here the author went too far. as a result, the husband and father turned out to be bad - did not protect his family. what other criterion is more important for the husband and father?