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The struggle of General Electric (USA) and Siemens (Germany) for the Russian market

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Received its development история with attempts to squeeze out the German company Siemens from the Russian market. As you know, representatives of Siemens were accused by the European Commission of violating the sanctions package against Russia. The reason for the steel supply gas Siemens turbines through a third company in the Crimea - for power plants under construction. Earlier, the Military Review has already reported that American companies may be behind attempts to squeeze a German manufacturer from the Russian market.


This week the information actually found its confirmation. It became known about the readiness of the American corporation GE (General Electric) to significantly expand its presence in the Russian market. In particular, there is evidence that General Electric plans to localize the production of power grid equipment in St. Petersburg.

Today, the corporation is represented far not only in the northern capital, but also in such cities as Moscow, Aksai, Kaluga, Kazan, Yekaterinburg, Rybinsk, Penza, Krasnodar, Vladivostok, Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk, etc. The management of the American General Electric perfectly understands that against the background of the scandal with Siemens, which is a direct competitor, it is possible to achieve even greater expansion of its presence in the Russian Federation.



Back in 2016, GE announced a partnership with Russian companies for a total of 1 billion to 2020. As you can see, GE does not pay any attention to any sanctions. The corporation, in particular, decided to invest in the creation of a joint venture in the Yaroslavl region - Russian Gas Turbines. And, it is believed that even if these gas turbines end up in the Crimea, then this will have no effect on GE activities in Russia.

Will German Siemens surrender without a fight with an American corporation for the Russian market?

For reference from the press service GE:
In Russia, GE has been working since the beginning of the 1920s, when large-scale electrification began in the country. Today, GE, in partnership with major Russian companies, is involved in solving key infrastructure problems in the energy, oil and gas, transport engineering and healthcare sectors. More than 1500 GE employees work in Russia and the CIS, the company's regional headquarters is in Moscow.
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  1. Herculesic
    Herculesic 16 September 2017 08: 49
    +27
    Here is one of them who will formally decide to put turbines in Crimea, and work with those! !!
    1. oleg-gr
      oleg-gr 16 September 2017 08: 50
      +17
      Big profits are at stake. For the sake of this, you can drive competitors under the baseboard. Moreover, their politicians are not against it.
      1. Herculesic
        Herculesic 16 September 2017 08: 54
        +7
        One fig, let them officially announce the supply of turbines to the Russian Crimea, otherwise we will turn to the Chinese, or worse, we’ll make the turbines ourselves wassat ! According to ancient technology, using an ax, and without a single nail! !!!
        1. Ivan Ivanov
          Ivan Ivanov 16 September 2017 09: 13
          +11
          Better to work with those who are ready for technology transfer. Although it is difficult to expect Chinese wisdom from our effective managers
        2. seti
          seti 16 September 2017 09: 29
          +20
          It is long and expensive to make it ourselves. And there are no necessary technologies. You can if you wish, but still probably not worth it - well, you can’t make everything and everything in one country and at the world level of development ... Even the USA cannot afford it. The market of heavy turbines is quite specific .. It is much easier to continue to do together with those and others. And it is advisable to pit them between each other and further. According to our laws, a turbine made in the Russian Federation is a Russian product. And in the Russian Federation it is possible to work only according to Russian laws and others need to be laid down with a device so that we are not told in the Higher and Highest Courts of America and Europe ..
          1. Pravodel
            Pravodel 16 September 2017 09: 47
            +26
            Misconception. In Russia there are and have been technologies for manufacturing gas turbines. Another thing is that in the dashing 90s, Chubais and the company did everything to cut this production in Russia. So it turned out that all the turbine factories now belong to Siemens. Those plants that Siemens could not or did not want to buy were simply destroyed.
            Now Russia continues to rake the achievements of traitors-reformers. The only question is whether Russia will be able to do this in a short time to prevent the next victorious invasion of legions of advanced geyropa and friends of mattresses on Russia and give a crushing answer to this invasion.

            "People-State-Fatherland" is the slogan of every Russian patriot. A united people in unity with a strong state creates the basis for the development of our Fatherland.
            1. Arikkhab
              Arikkhab 17 September 2017 11: 50
              +1
              http://geoenergetics.ru/2017/07/24/anatomiya-prob
              lem-vokrug-siemens /
            2. Nikolai Grek
              Nikolai Grek 17 September 2017 15: 50
              +4
              Quote: The Truth
              Misconception. In Russia there are and have been technologies for manufacturing gas turbines. Another thing is that in the dashing 90s, Chubais and the company did everything to cut this production in Russia. So it turned out that all the turbine factories now belong to Siemens. Those plants that Siemens could not or did not want to buy were simply destroyed.
              Now Russia continues to rake the achievements of traitors-reformers. The only question is whether Russia will be able to do this in a short time to prevent the next victorious invasion of legions of advanced geyropa and friends of mattresses on Russia and give a crushing answer to this invasion.

              "People-State-Fatherland" is the slogan of every Russian patriot. A united people in unity with a strong state creates the basis for the development of our Fatherland.

              will be able !! hi hi hi

              “The modernized engine is completing an engineering test at the Ivanovo State District Power Plant and with the GTD-110M index it will undergo a lengthy test with the end, probably until May 2018. This is the first large-power machine in Russia to replace the engines that were supplied to us by Siemens and General Electric,” said Deputy General Director - Managing Director of PJSC UEC-Saturn Victor Polyakov.
          2. basmach
            basmach 16 September 2017 10: 06
            +12
            Precisely. About 25 years ago there were the same "wise men", Gaidar and Chubais. They also shouted like that, we won’t buy anything we don’t do, but why do we need oil and gas.
            In general, it’s very significant - foreigners are fighting for our market, and our “developed” industry has evolved to a level of light bulb production over a quarter of a century, but we forgot how to make turbines. Excellent result.
            1. Megamarcel
              Megamarcel 16 September 2017 10: 18
              +5
              By the way, this also applies to ship turbines. After all, the essence is one. Why not produce dual, or even triple, turbines in one enterprise. For civil, military courts and generation.
              1. Pirogov
                Pirogov 16 September 2017 10: 59
                +2
                Quote: MegaMarcel
                By the way, this also applies to ship turbines. After all, the essence is one. Why not produce dual, or even triple, turbines in one enterprise. For civil, military courts and generation.

                Apparently not everything is so simple.
              2. SergeBS
                SergeBS 16 September 2017 15: 13
                +2
                Quote: MegaMarcel
                Why not produce dual, or even triple, turbines in one enterprise. For civil, military courts and generation.

                Will not work. Since the turbine at the hydroelectric power station should work for decades, it takes several years in the gas meter sensor, and half an hour on the dashboard. For instance. Different periods of operation - different materials, strength stocks, etc. ALL DIFFERENT! General only the principle of work.
            2. Nikolai Grek
              Nikolai Grek 17 September 2017 15: 51
              +4
              Quote: basmach
              and our "developed" industry for a quarter of a century has developed to the level of production of bulbs, but turbines have forgotten how to do it

              what what what I advise you not to draw info from dubious sources !! wink tongue laughing laughing laughing
          3. gridasov
            gridasov 16 September 2017 10: 18
            +7
            It is difficult and expensive to make a turbine with a modern level of knowledge. But it is possible to create turbines simpler but more efficient, which have a fundamentally different design and physical processes in which are qualitatively different.
            All talk too much about innovative developments that are fundamental and open up long-term prospects. So you need to listen and consider such developments with full scientific validity. Then Russia can become a country that owns priority technologies for a long period of time. Since new turbines have a fundamentally different concept of their work, it changes all types of turbines in all areas of application where screws are now used. propellers, impellers and actually all types of turbines.
            1. Alex_Rarog
              Alex_Rarog 16 September 2017 22: 52
              0
              Well, you exaggerate too much and I think that you don’t quite understand. I especially liked the simpler and more efficient way) and the new principles also went off with a bang ...
              1. gridasov
                gridasov 17 September 2017 11: 20
                +3
                You have a lot of superfluous arguments that have no direct connection with what I am talking about. I repeat once again that for me there are no authorities, which means that I simply work with objective information, while the vast majority are not capable of this. This means that, firstly, to analyze the processes that determine all levels of interactions medium flow in its dynamic state with outflow surfaces, completely different methods should be used. Yes, we can carry out mathematical calculations of individual details, but all the energetics of the process and physical phenomena in their algorithmic development and transformations must be analyzed as complex large mathematical data. Secondly. Speaking of simplicity, I mean, first of all, that a complex of those processes. which occur in a modern turbine and which are not subjected to exhaustive analysis, is replaced by a complex of completely new organized algorithmic processes, as stages, of transformation of these processes. Of course, the basis of the new concept is somewhat more complicated, but it allows you to surpass all those boundary levels and dimensions in radius and performance, after which the turbine either "locks" or it simply collapses.
                What is efficiency? Efficiency is the ability of the device with smaller radial dimension parameters to provide higher flow rate. At the same time, without prejudice to the quality factor of the device, and most importantly, without the need for an increase in the pressure flow at the entrance to it or an increase in fuel consumption for its operation, for example, as in aircraft turbines. This means that the turbine as a device can combine a “reactor”, both the possibility of transforming the potential energy of the substance of the passing stream, and the turbine itself converting the flow energy at the moment of rotation on the rotor shaft, but also an alternating magnetic flux generator. And this complexity of capabilities in one device is determined by what I call an efficient and optimal process in my organization that is provided by a new device. Therefore, I may not be normal, but only that I can distinguish between the real and the far-fetched and unjustified. Believe me. that it’s harder now to find a person with a sober and uncomplexed mind than psychos fanatics or dogmatists conservatives. But the main problem is. that people are not able to control the MEASURE of where and when to preserve conservative ideas and where and when to look for new solutions. . We say understanding not only that. which is discussed on the subject of the essence of the device itself, but also understanding the totality of processes and technological, but also political and military, scientific and educational, which will entail new scientific approaches and the very invention of a new design.
            2. r4space
              r4space 20 September 2017 14: 38
              0
              I fully support back in the 80s invented membrane turbines with unrealistic efficiency up to 96% (I read science and life in the journal)
          4. Msta
            Msta 16 September 2017 10: 59
            +3
            It is expensive to buy everything abroad and it is dangerous. It’s best to do both the Czech Republic and Spain, which have purchased technology from Volkswagen and produced the same Volkswagen under their Skoda and Seat brands, at the hands of their workers and in their own factories, which have a full production cycle and are not dependent on any sanctions.
        3. Nikolai Grek
          Nikolai Grek 17 September 2017 15: 48
          +4
          Quote: Herkulesich
          One fig, let them officially announce the supply of turbines to the Russian Crimea, otherwise we will turn to the Chinese, or worse, we’ll make the turbines ourselves wassat ! According to ancient technology, using an ax, and without a single nail! !!!

          in principle, testing our turbine is in full swing !!! tongue tongue good laughing

          “The modernized engine is completing an engineering test at the Ivanovo State District Power Plant and with the GTD-110M index it will undergo a lengthy test with the end, probably until May 2018. This is the first large-power machine in Russia to replace the engines that were supplied to us by Siemens and General Electric,” said Deputy General Director - Managing Director of PJSC UEC-Saturn Victor Polyakov.

          https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/97518
      2. soroKING
        soroKING 16 September 2017 08: 58
        +1
        yeah ... like "get away from the stall! you’ll get the alarm" wassat
      3. win
        win 16 September 2017 12: 10
        +3
        Big profits are at stake


        Power is money
        and patriotism for the people ...

    2. DEPARTMENT
      DEPARTMENT 16 September 2017 08: 54
      +6
      The struggle is not for life, but for the death of Western companies for markets in Russia, this is certainly great! But I hope our nevertheless such developments should be! And then again we’ll relax and the BACH of sanction .. Everything should be “from needles to orbital stations” Only in this way Russia will survive among these sharks
    3. 210ox
      210ox 16 September 2017 09: 28
      +1
      Come on! The turbines are already delivered .. But as for the medical equipment (tomographs, X-ray machines and the like), you need to look
      Quote: Herkulesich
      Here is one of them who will formally decide to put turbines in Crimea, and work with those! !!
      1. Mih1974
        Mih1974 17 September 2017 05: 43
        +1
        It is necessary to "look" at officials more closely am with the same tomographs there was an unpleasant story (overpaid for not the best 10 or so times) and there were reports about the development and start of production of some of the tomographs (or MRI) in Russia.
        And the one who blurted out stupidity "you can’t do everything in one country" - let him look at China. Here is who, not only in terms of volume (cost) of all the rest, has surpassed everyone, but also in terms of payroll, he is soon devoting the entire planet. good
    4. siberalt
      siberalt 16 September 2017 10: 24
      +5
      Until Chubais is imprisoned, nothing will change in the country. bully
      1. win
        win 16 September 2017 11: 40
        +2
        And Kvachkov is still sitting.
        So Chubais will not be imprisoned ...
        And Serdyukov and Vasilyeva will not be imprisoned ...
    5. Msta
      Msta 16 September 2017 10: 56
      +1
      I don’t think that anyone will officially go for it today. But Russia needs to work with those who agree to transfer to Russia the entire production and technology cycle, and then these turbines can be delivered anywhere in the Russian Federation, already under our brand.
    6. g1v2
      g1v2 16 September 2017 11: 25
      +5
      There are already turbines for Crimea. PM is not an indicator. In general, the general electric is really rushing to our market. For example, all network stores are littered with their bulbs. This has never happened before. request But siemens are not just turbines. This is a lot to fill any equipment. For example, the same controllers. I encounter a wide variety of imported equipment all the time, and so in almost any equipment - at least something is Siemens. Mostly controllers. request And this area of ​​import must be replaced. The filling of modern industrial equipment in terms of electronics is essentially a designer, where the desired configuration is typed from standard elements. And it is precisely these elements that Simens do. That is, the robot or equipment can be Japanese, German or Finnish, but the electronics inside the box are most often Siemens, or, for example, Mitsubishi.
      What you need is emphasis on your production of these bricks, which make up the stuffing of any equipment - controllers, chastotniks, relays, all kinds of sensors, thermal controllers, etc. hi
      1. Mikhail Zubkov
        Mikhail Zubkov 16 September 2017 13: 44
        +7
        Our defense industry complex produces controllers, and any foreign ones are faster in terms of speed. Turbines have also been manufactured and are manufactured for a long time, incl. energy special power for nuclear power plants. We almost figured out the quality of the blades, and this is the very core of the problem. While there is no seriality on the grains, it was mined only by world brands of the USA and Germany. In a year or two, we’ll pick up this hitch. If they deal with Medvedev’s “market” brake. Power engineering spread rot in the bud to please the Germans.
    7. Maz
      Maz 16 September 2017 12: 21
      +2
      This is a turn in the case of Simmens! Ah yes the general electric!
    8. KCA
      KCA 16 September 2017 12: 29
      +3
      So it seems like here, there was information in VO that German journalists in a picture from the Crimea next to Siemens turbines saw GE turbines
    9. svp67
      svp67 16 September 2017 17: 32
      +4
      Quote: Herkulesich
      Here is one of them who will formally decide to put turbines in Crimea, and work with those! !!

      The turbines are already there. Here the question is already about other orders. Over the next five years, we need about 60 turbines ... The jackpot is more than fat. And I would very much like that it went to our companies, and to foreigners.
    10. Nikolai Grek
      Nikolai Grek 17 September 2017 15: 44
      +4
      Quote: Herkulesich
      Here is one of them who will formally decide to put turbines in Crimea, and work with those! !!

      lol lol lol lol lol lol lol good good good
  2. Pereira
    Pereira 16 September 2017 08: 58
    +4
    I bet on the Americans.
    Although the recent refusal to ship products to Northern Gabon is a good move by Siemens.
    1. Herculesic
      Herculesic 16 September 2017 09: 02
      +3
      Pereira drinks hi and I lie on the Americans lol they are tired already, worse than the bitter radish am
      1. Pereira
        Pereira 16 September 2017 09: 08
        +2
        It’s as if I, too, betray them an air phak across the ocean, but it’s not very similar to them. It’s fun to watch him ride around Russia, declaring it to be his enemy before this.
    2. svp67
      svp67 16 September 2017 17: 33
      +1
      Quote: Pereira
      I bet on the Americans.
      Although the recent refusal to ship products to Northern Gabon is a good move by Siemens.

      And I'm on the Japanese ....
    3. Amurets
      Amurets 17 September 2017 12: 24
      +1
      Quote: Pereira
      Although the recent refusal to ship products to Northern Gabon is a good move by Siemens.

      So Ukraine seems to have been thrown. Representatives of Siemens refused to supply equipment for the modernization of the gas transmission system (GTS) of Ukraine. According to the head of the board of NAK Naftogaz Ukrainy Andriy Kobolev, this happened due to the reluctance of the German manufacturer to lose an order in Russia.
      He stated this, speaking at the forum Yalta European Strategy, reports "European truth."
      https://strana.ua/news/92971-siemens-otkazalsja-o
      t-postavok-oborudovanija-dlja-hts-ukrainy-iz-za-n
      ezhelanija-poterjat-rossijskij-rynok.html
  3. Will
    Will 16 September 2017 09: 03
    +2
    As always - "What is permitted to Jupiter is not allowed to the bull." But who and when decides who is who?
    1. Abigor
      Abigor 16 September 2017 09: 09
      +2
      It is always decided by the laws of the jungle - who is stronger ...
    2. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 16 September 2017 10: 21
      +1
      Quote: Will
      As always - "What is permitted to Jupiter is not allowed to the bull." But who and when decides who is who?

      It will be decided by those who will curtail the activities of the European Commission, which is 100% managed from the United States in the interests of developing the European market, in the field of energy, and in migration issues.
    3. Lelek
      Lelek 16 September 2017 11: 33
      +1
      Quote: Will
      "What is permitted to Jupiter is not permitted to the bull."


      Hey. "Business and only business." And the Russian market is large and very tasty, so it’s not up to politics. Let them fight for our market, and we need to set two conditions - the lowest price and the highest quality (well, plus technology, of course).
  4. 32363
    32363 16 September 2017 09: 05
    +2
    Siemens interrupted the supply of equipment to Ukraine so as not to lose the Russian market

    More details: http://www.newsru.com/world/16sep2017/siemens.htm
    l
  5. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 16 September 2017 09: 11
    +3
    Large-capacity combined cycle plants are the future of Russian thermal power plants. A fight has already begun for the Russian market, and here all the means are good.
    Only ours do not sleep. Slowly they are squeezing this market from the bottom, supplying small and medium power plants. And in this matter, we have good “progress”. Decentralization of electric generation - complicates the management of the power grid, but small towns and villages need to be heated. And if there is a gas pipeline ...
    1. weksha50
      weksha50 16 September 2017 09: 29
      +4
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Decentralization of electrical generation - complicates the management of the power grid,


      I agree with you ... BUT !!! At the same time, it does not make it possible for each redhead to fall apart at one moment to unite a single energy system ...
  6. aszzz888
    aszzz888 16 September 2017 09: 15
    +4
    It became known about the readiness of the American corporation GE (General Electric) to significantly expand its presence in the Russian market.

    ... continue to "tear the Russian economy to shreds" ... laughing
    1. SPACE
      SPACE 16 September 2017 09: 41
      +2
      good that's for sure, Siemans and General Electric are ready to tear each other's throats, for the torn apart Russian economy. As V.I. Lenin said, "The bourgeois themselves will sell the rope on which we will hang them later."
      But the "ediot patriots" vseravno continue to prepare for the land fool
  7. Machete
    Machete 16 September 2017 09: 18
    0
    Whoever doubts, the mericatos will immediately rush to occupy a niche.
    For this, everything was started.
  8. weksha50
    weksha50 16 September 2017 09: 25
    0
    "Will German Siemens surrender without a fight with an American corporation for the Russian market?"...

    Where will it go? Too different weight categories ...
    One more extra proof that powerful corporate capital didn’t spit on all sorts of presidents and government-senate-congresses ...
    However ... The question of choosing "partners" still remains with Russia ... What is not the lever of pressure on Germany, which is nevertheless closer to US in mentality than the United States ???
  9. keeper03
    keeper03 16 September 2017 09: 32
    0
    To impose sanctions on GE and to expel from Russia !!! am
  10. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 16 September 2017 09: 40
    +3
    Forgive us Germans, but the Americans are ordering them to buy --- that's how it turns out.
    1. Megamarcel
      Megamarcel 16 September 2017 10: 28
      +1
      Well, Trump promised American business orders. That's the promise. The process has begun.
  11. Popovich
    Popovich 16 September 2017 09: 59
    +1
    Here is an example of double shit democracy (Democracy is a slave system. Slavery through Money.)
    such as similar to their turbines in the Crimea put-ah-yay in court ... They sent them ... we will buy from others!
    so again, ah, don’t give us, we will give you discounts and we will provide a service ...
  12. Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 16 September 2017 10: 12
    0
    The Americans have already taught us the basics of a market economy. Now it's Germany's turn.
  13. Megamarcel
    Megamarcel 16 September 2017 10: 20
    +1
    Is it expensive to release your own? And turbines for the fleet? They are not needed? The principle is the same. Thus, profitability will increase and efficiency.
  14. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 16 September 2017 10: 22
    +2
    Well, as if 2016 were not 2017 at all, so much “water has flowed” in terms of sanctions during this time. Well, and as if the "electric grid" equipment is not at all that it is "energy-producing". The law on "eternal sanctions" against Russia has virtually destroyed all current and future contacts of American companies with Russian companies - no one in the US will have a good sense of risking their reputation, even for the sake of good profit, and in addition, exposing their business to various checks that are now provided for , virtually any contract with Russian companies. I would generally say that kirdyk came to American business in Russia ... everything, besides playing games on the stock exchange with futures ... wink
    1. vovanpain
      vovanpain 16 September 2017 14: 02
      +2
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      The law on "eternal sanctions" against Russia has virtually destroyed all current and future contacts of American companies with Russian companies - no one in the US with their right mind would risk their reputation,

      Yes Yes Colleague laughing good It’s time for them to expel the Mazurics from Rybinsk laughing and you see, the plant was built here, the monsters did not give a damn about their reputation laughing riveting their turbines with us you see negative The Eternal Sanctions Act is violated by mazuriks, while Monster Fat’s colleague bully
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      I would generally say that kirdyk came to American business in Russia ...

      Damn sure to give them, the poor fellow do not know that they kirdyk request In Kaluga, too, they don’t know what kind of nonsense they are being driven home, but they don’t want to. laughing Burn further colleague good
      1. Monster_Fat
        Monster_Fat 16 September 2017 14: 33
        0
        Do you know how to read? And if you know how to read, then you know how to understand what you read? In my post it is clearly written that from 2017 everything will be different. It is from 2017. Congress passed a law on “eternal” and severe sanctions against Russia in almost all areas of heavy industry, mining, machine tool construction and banking. Your notorious "factory in Rybinsk" when built? What is his form of ownership? Who does he belong to? winked
        1. vovanpain
          vovanpain 16 September 2017 17: 45
          +2
          Quote: Monster_Fat
          Your notorious "factory in Rybinsk" when built?

          First respected in Rybinsk, for the illiterate, the names of cities are written with a capital letter. Secondly, the year 2017 will end soon and the Americans will not gather together, despite all the wet Russophobian dreams and laws on eternal sanctions, the plant has been operating for the third year and is not experiencing any problems, and you dream further respected. laughing
          1. Monster_Fat
            Monster_Fat 16 September 2017 18: 02
            0
            Once again, "who is the owner of the enterprise"? Americans? The name of the company (legal entity) and its owner, please. And by the way, what are the products of the plant. Only then will there be substantive conversation. And so, this is not an argumented argument, it is only a “patriotic” run over on your part.
            1. vovanpain
              vovanpain 16 September 2017 20: 25
              +2
              Quote: Monster_Fat
              Once again, "who is the owner of the enterprise"? Americans? The name of the company (legal entity) and its owner, please. And by the way, what are the products of the plant.

              Avona how laughing Do not give the director’s phone? A joint venture of the American corporation General Electric (GE) and the Rostec state corporation and the Inter RAO group. And I don’t know who owns what shares, look for it and find it true. yes produces gas turbine units 6F.03 (6FA) with a capacity of 80 MW and provides their service. Satisfied, but what a patriot to be so bad? feel Oh well.
              1. Monster_Fat
                Monster_Fat 17 September 2017 02: 00
                0
                Ha. Well, this "enterprise" (actually a screwdriver assembly) was opened in 2014. And in 2017, I think GE will revise its cooperation plans in accordance with the new sanctions realities and in the light of the scandal with Siemens.
  15. XXXIII
    XXXIII 16 September 2017 10: 24
    +1
    What can I add, let their interests in Russia decide in a market way !!!
    Siemens LLC - 1851 Supply of 75 switch telegraph apparatus for the Moscow-St. Petersburg line under construction.

    GE has been working in Russia since the early 1920s
    drinks
  16. polev66
    polev66 16 September 2017 10: 58
    0
    in Rybinsk, soon there will be no place for plants near Saturn
  17. Berkut24
    Berkut24 16 September 2017 11: 28
    0
    It is necessary to arrange a competition on the subject "from whom there are less sanctions." And spend it once every half a year.
  18. Altona
    Altona 16 September 2017 12: 16
    +2
    Quote: seti
    It is long and expensive to make it ourselves. And there are no necessary technologies. You can if you wish, but still probably not worth it - well, you can’t make everything and everything in one country and at the world level of development ..

    -----------------------------
    Oddly enough, there are specialists, and people from Ukraine also want to catch up. And iron is just iron. It would be a desire, our people will master and do.
  19. Galleon
    Galleon 16 September 2017 13: 43
    +3
    Quote: seti
    Making it yourself is long and expensive.

    But vital!
  20. Topotun
    Topotun 16 September 2017 17: 56
    +1
    The big game continues. Europeans are squeezed out of the Russian market. And for some reason, none of the EU leadership is touching that they lose much more than they get. Masochists straight. Although in my opinion the Germans are much more reliable and better. But, the doctor said to the morgue .....
  21. Egorovich
    Egorovich 16 September 2017 18: 34
    +5
    Let each other squabble over the Russian market. The more rodents, the better for us. We need to develop our own production of gas-turbine equipment, but we also need to support the West with their technologies and full production in the Russian Federation.
  22. pafegosoff
    pafegosoff 16 September 2017 20: 05
    0
    And where, for example, Siemens will go against Edison Electric Light. The influence of the latter is greater, the effectiveness is stronger. And, it seems, the last turbine scandal happened not without the participation of a competitor who wants to build a fully localized plant in Yaroslavl, in spite of Simensky in St. Petersburg ... In general, the Americans will crush their European competitors with sanctions.
  23. not main
    not main 16 September 2017 21: 18
    0
    Quote: Msta
    It is expensive to buy everything abroad and it is dangerous. It’s best to do both the Czech Republic and Spain, which have purchased technology from Volkswagen and produced the same Volkswagen under their Skoda and Seat brands, at the hands of their workers and in their own factories, which have a full production cycle and are not dependent on any sanctions.

    Actually, this WV bought Skoda and Seat! And they’re not going to share technologies! It's just that production is cheaper than in Germany and as they say "nothing personal"!
  24. exo
    exo 16 September 2017 21: 50
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    As for turbines for this purpose, I will not say. But, GE aircraft engines do very good.
  25. MadCat
    MadCat 17 September 2017 02: 57
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    Fake news, none of these firms will deliver anything to Russia. Losing the US market is much more painful for them ...
  26. LeonidL
    LeonidL 17 September 2017 03: 11
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    Business is business and ... nothing personal, because money doesn’t smell, is it?
  27. l7yzo
    l7yzo 17 September 2017 07: 34
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    The good news is that the consumer will only win. Those. ordinary people will save a lot of money. New technologies will come (because you have to lure something). And from the East, Japan is pushing them with green technology. Well, the mass crushes China)
  28. Arikkhab
    Arikkhab 17 September 2017 11: 48
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    from the Internet - a cool article
    http://geoenergetics.ru/2017/07/24/anatomiya-prob
    lem-vokrug-siemens /
  29. Hadji Murat
    Hadji Murat 17 September 2017 12: 30
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    read the info about both companies, Siemens wasn’t even close by turnover, volume of production and influence in the world with General Electric, that the bull is not allowed, the Jupiter is allowed Quod licet Jovi, pop licet bovi
  30. ver_
    ver_ 17 September 2017 15: 53
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    Quote: Herkulesich
    Here is one of them who will formally decide to put turbines in Crimea, and work with those! !!

    ... you have to do your own ..
  31. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 17 September 2017 17: 14
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    Quote: Msta
    It is expensive to buy everything abroad and it is dangerous. It’s best to do both the Czech Republic and Spain, which have purchased technology from Volkswagen and produced the same Volkswagen under their Skoda and Seat brands, at the hands of their workers and in their own factories, which have a full production cycle and are not dependent on any sanctions.


    So they sold you the technology. Vaughn Pu tried to buy Opel, so immediately ran mattress covers: they say no way! And Opel is a lower class car in Germany ... We must do what we did with the car market: say. that if you don’t open the joint venture before 2020, then u. the violin is over! and let the Germans, Japanese and mattresses run here to race to open enterprises. drinks
  32. Vadim Sh.
    Vadim Sh. 17 September 2017 19: 25
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    So everything falls into place - ambition is one thing, and money is another.
  33. vlad7777kul
    vlad7777kul 18 September 2017 01: 04
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    "A holy place is never empty"