"The cause of revolution should not be tarnished with dirty hands."

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"The cause of revolution should not be tarnished with dirty hands."The vivid personality of Israel (Alexander) Lazarevich Gelfand (Parvus) - Russian revolutionary and German imperialist, Marxist scholar and major entrepreneur, cosmopolitan and German patriot, backstage politician and international financier, social democratic publicist and political adventurer - has long attracted the attention of historians . This interest is clear: without Parvus, as well as without “German money”, there probably would not have been a Bolshevik revolution in the form in which it occurred in Russia in 1917 year.

DOCTOR ELEPHANT



Alexander Parvus, also known as Israel Lazarevich Gelfand, was born on September 8 on 1867 in the town of Berezino, Minsk province, in a family of a Jewish artisan. After the pogrom, the Gelfand family was left without a home and property and moved to Odessa, where Lazar worked as a loader in the port, and Israel studied at the gymnasium. Apparently, it was precisely the Odessa gymnasium that Israel Gelfand owed his beautiful literary Russian language and knowledge of European languages: linguistic barriers for him did not exist. In Odessa, the young high school student Gelfand joined the people groups. In 19 years he went to Switzerland, in Zurich, where he met with the members of the "Labor Liberation Group". Under their influence, Gelfand became a Marxist. In 1887, he enrolled at the University of Basel, graduating from 1891, receiving his Ph.D. His thesis was called: "Technical organization of labor (" cooperation "and" division of labor "))". Israel Gelfand often appeared in the socialist press under the pseudonym Alexander Parvus (“small” - Latin), which became his new name.

Dr. Parvus did not return to Russia, but moved to Germany, where he joined the Social Democratic Party. The leader of the German Social Democracy, Karl Kautsky, reacted to Parvus with sympathy, giving him the playful nickname Dr. Elephant. Indeed, in the appearance of Parvus was something elephant.

Publicist Parvus writes a lot and is snooty. His articles are credited young Russian Marxists. Vladimir Ulyanov, in a letter from the Siberian exile, asks his mother to send him copies of all the articles of Parvus. Out of friendship with the Russian Marxists, the Iskra newspaper was born, which from the second issue began to be printed in a printing house arranged at Parvus’s apartment in Munich. Parvus’s apartment became a meeting place for Russian revolutionaries, especially Parvus became close to Trotsky. Essentially, it was Parvus who advanced the thesis of the permanent revolution that Trotsky later adopted. Parvus predicted the inevitability of world war and the Russian revolution.

In 1905, with the beginning of the first Russian revolution, Parvus went to Russia. Together with Trotsky, he heads the St. Petersburg Soviet of Workers' Deputies. After the defeat of the revolution, Parvus finds himself behind bars in the “Crosses”, he is sentenced to three years of exile in Turukhansk. But everything is ready for escape: a fake passport, turnout, money. In Yeniseisk, having drunk the escorts, Parvus runs, is announced in Italy, then finds himself in Germany and never returns to his homeland.

The name of Parvus is associated with a series of scandals: he throws, without means of livelihood, two wives and sons, spends on his mistress the income from the copyright of Maxim Gorky abroad, who were entrusted to him. The Bolsheviks and Gorky are demanding a refund, Germany is starting to hand over to Russia runaway revolutionaries, and Parvus disappears from the sight of the German and Russian authorities for several years.

In 1910, he emerges in Turkey as a successful merchant, becoming the largest supplier of food for the Turkish army, the representative of the trader weapons Basil Zakharov and Krupp concern.

MEETING GOALS

Parvus's finest hour begins with the beginning of the First World War. He advocates the victory of Germany, since this should lead first to a revolution in Russia, and then to a world revolution. “Germany’s victory over Russia is in the interests of European socialism, therefore the socialists must conclude an alliance with the German government to overthrow the tsarist regime, including by revolutionary means,” he said.

In 1915, the goals of Germany, who was seeking victory on the Eastern Front and Russia's withdrawal from the war, and Parvus, who had inflamed the revolutionary fire in Russia, coincided. Germany struck at Russia from the front, and revolutionaries from the rear.

In the course of his political and trade activities, Parvus met Dr. Max Zimmer, who was authorized by the German and Austrian embassies for anti-Russian nationalist movements, which were funded by Germany and Austria-Hungary. In early January, 1915, Parvus asked Dr. Zimmer to arrange a meeting with the German ambassador in Turkey, von Wangenheim. At the 7 reception on January 1915, the merchant socialist told the German ambassador: “The interests of the German government completely coincide with the interests of the Russian revolutionaries. Russian democrats can achieve their goals only if the autocracy is completely destroyed and Russia is divided into separate states. On the other hand, Germany will not be able to achieve complete success if there is no revolution in Russia. In addition, even in the event of a German victory, Russia will pose a considerable danger to it if the Russian Empire does not fall apart into separate independent states. ”

The next day, January 8 1915, von Wangenheim sent a telegram to Berlin to the German Foreign Ministry with detailed information about the conversation with Parvus, expressed a benevolent attitude to his ideas and conveyed his request to personally present to the Foreign Ministry a developed plan for bringing Russia out of the war through revolution.

10 January 1915-th State Secretary of the German Foreign Ministry Gottlieb von Yagov telegraphed to the Great Kaiser General Staff: "Please accept Dr. Parvus in Berlin."

At the end of February 1915, Parvus was admitted to the German Foreign Ministry Yagov, a representative of the military department Dr. Ritzler (authorized representative of the Reich Chancellor) and Dr. Zimmer, who returned from Turkey, participated in the conversation. Minutes of the conversation were not kept, but following its 9 March 1915, Parvus submitted a memorandum on the 20 pages to the Foreign Ministry, which was a detailed plan for the overthrow of the autocracy in Russia and its division into several states.

“Parvus’s plan,” write the biographers of Gelfand Z. Zeman and U. Sharlau, “contained three major points. First, Gelfand offered to support the parties fighting for the socialist revolution in Russia, first of all the Bolsheviks, as well as nationalist separatist movements. Secondly, he considered the moment suitable for conducting anti-government propaganda in Russia. Third, it seemed important to him to organize an international anti-Russian campaign in the press. ”

PLAN FOR FIGHTING

Here is a fragment of the plan of Parvus, written by him on the sheets of a notebook of the Berlin Hotel Kronprinzenhof at the end of December 1914: “Siberia. We need to pay special attention to Siberia also because the huge supply of artillery and other weapons from the United States to Russia will probably pass through Siberia. Therefore, the Siberian project should be considered separately from the rest. It is necessary to send several energetic, cautious and well-equipped agents to Siberia with a special task for the explosion of railway bridges. They will find enough helpers among the exiles. Explosives can be delivered from the Ural mining plants, and their small quantities - from Finland. Technical directions could be developed here.

The campaign in the press. Assumptions about Romania and Bulgaria were confirmed after the work on this memorandum was completed and during the development of the revolutionary movement. The Bulgarian press is now exclusively pro-German, and there has been a noticeable change in the Romanian press. The measures we have taken will soon yield even more tangible results. Now it is especially important to get to work.

1. Financial support for the Bolshevik Social Democratic faction, which by all available means continues to fight against the tsarist government. It is necessary to establish contacts with its leaders in Switzerland.

2. Establishment of direct contacts with the revolutionary organizations of Odessa and Nikolaev through Bucharest and Iasi.

3. Establishing contacts with organizations of Russian sailors. Such a contact is already through one gentleman in Sofia. Other connections are possible through Amsterdam.

4. Support for the activities of the Jewish socialist organization "Bund" - not the Zionists.

5. Establishment of contacts with authoritative figures of Russian social democracy and Russian social revolutionaries in Switzerland, Italy, Copenhagen, Stockholm. Support of their efforts aimed at immediate and tough measures against tsarism.

6. Support for those Russian revolutionary writers who take part in the struggle against tsarism even in the conditions of war.

7. Relationship with the Finnish Social Democracy.

8. Organization of congresses of Russian revolutionaries.

9. Influence on public opinion in neutral countries, especially on the position of the socialist press and socialist organizations in the struggle against tsarism and for joining the central powers. In Bulgaria and Romania, this is already being successfully implemented; continue this work in the Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Switzerland and Italy.

10. The equipment of the expedition to Siberia with a special purpose: to blow up the most important railway bridges and thereby prevent the transport of weapons from America to Russia. At the same time, the expedition should be provided with rich funds to organize the transfer of a certain number of political exiles to the center of the country.

11. Technical preparation for the uprising in Russia:

a) providing accurate maps of the Russian railways, indicating the most important bridges that must be destroyed in order to paralyze transport links, as well as indicating the main administrative buildings. Arsenals, workshops, which should be given maximum attention;

b) a precise indication of the amount of explosives necessary to achieve the goal in each individual case. Thus it is necessary to take into account the lack of materials and the difficult circumstances in which the actions will be carried out;

c) clear and popular instructions for handling explosives in the explosion of bridges and large buildings;

d) simple recipes for the manufacture of explosives;

e) development of a plan of resistance of the insurgent population in St. Petersburg against the armed government, with particular reference to the workers' neighborhoods. Protection of houses and streets. Protection against cavalry and infantry. The Jewish socialist "Bund" in Russia is a revolutionary organization that relies on the working masses and that played a certain role back in the 1904 year. He is in opposing relations with the "Zionists", from whom nothing can be expected for the following reasons:

1) because their party membership is fragile;

2) because the Russian patriotic idea has become popular in their ranks since the beginning of the war;

3) since after the Balkan war, the core of their leadership actively sought the sympathy of the British and Russian diplomatic circles, although this did not prevent them from also cooperating with the German government. Because he is not capable of any political actions at all. ”

Parvus has compiled a list of urgent financial and technical measures. Among them: the provision of explosives, maps showing the bridges to be exploded, the preparation of couriers, contacts with the Bolshevik faction located in exile in Switzerland, the financing of radical left-wing newspapers. Parvus asked the German government (in mid-March 1915, he became the main government consultant for the Russian revolution) to finance his plan.

MILLIONS IN TOPKOVA REVOLUTION

March 17 1915 th von Yagov telegraphs to the German state treasury: "To support revolutionary propaganda in Russia 2 million marks are required." A positive response comes in two days. It was an advance. From 2 million, Parvus receives immediately and transfers them to his accounts in Copenhagen. There he founded a commercial empire that deals with trading operations. Including illegal deals on the sale of coal, metals, weapons to Germany, Russia, Denmark and other countries. Parvus received huge profits, which he left in Russia or transferred to accounts in other countries. Most of the funds Parvus invests in creating media around the world. They had to tune the world and the population of Russia against the tsarist regime.

The Leninist slogan of turning the imperialist war into a civil war is the essence of the Parvus program. Only Parvus talked about 5 – 10 million marks on the Russian revolution, and in the end, the figure is much larger. In addition to Gelfand, who was the main link between the Bolsheviks and the German imperial government, in the summer of 1917, the Bolsheviks had other channels of communication with Berlin. German Social Democrat and Lenin’s ardent critic Edward Bernstein estimated the total amount of “German aid” at about 50 million gold marks. The figure in 50 million marks, received by the Bolsheviks from Germany, calls the English historian Ronald Clark.

Parvus's personal funds served as a cover for "German money", which still confuses researchers. No matter how large sums the “sponsors of the Russian revolution” spent, they expected not only to acquire political capital for their own money, but also to compensate their financial expenses with excess. Reforms, restructuring, revolutions and civil wars, which led Russian society to a state of destruction and discord, were always accompanied by a drain of tremendous wealth to the West.

Particularly sensitive issue is the relationship between Parvus and Lenin. “Lenin is needed in Russia for Russia to fall,” wrote Parvus. This is the whole essence of Parvus’s relationship to the Bolshevik leader. They were familiar even before the 1905 revolution of the year: they were creating the Iskra newspaper together. After Parvus received an advance in 2 million marks from the German authorities, his first intention was to go to Switzerland to Lenin to include him in his plan.

In mid-May, 1915-th Parvus arrived in Zurich to talk with Lenin. Alexander Solzhenitsyn more or less accurately described the circumstances in which Parvus imposed his society on Lenin, but Solzhenitsyn could not know the content of their conversation. Lenin, naturally, preferred not to mention this episode. Parvus, on the other hand, was brief: “I expounded to Lenin my views on the social revolutionary consequences of the war and drew attention to the fact that while the war continues, a revolution cannot happen in Germany; that now the revolution is possible only in Russia, where it can break out as a result of Germany’s victories. He dreamed, however, of publishing a socialist journal, with the help of which, he believed, he would be able to immediately throw the European proletariat from the trenches into the revolution. ” The irony of Parvus is understandable even in hindsight: Lenin did not go into direct contact with Parvus, but kept the channel of communication with him constantly free.

Austrian researcher Elizabeth Heresh, Parvus had published a plan quoted as saying the chairman of the Bolshevik Cheka, Felix Dzerzhinsky in 1922 year, "Kuzmich (. One of the nicknames of the party of Lenin - BH) was really hooked in 1915, the representative of the German General Staff Alexander Gelfand Lazarevich (he is Parvus, he is Alexander Moskvich) ”.

Lenin in 1915 continued to rave about the idea of ​​a world revolution, no matter where — in Switzerland, America or Russia. Parvus, on the other hand, offered enormous money to organize the revolution in Russia. Whose money is that for Lenin did not matter. Although Lenin did not officially tell Parvus: “Yes, I will cooperate with you,” a quiet agreement to act in compliance with the secrecy rules, through intermediaries, was reached.

Can Parvus Lenin's proposal be considered a recruitment? In the narrow "spy" sense of the word - probably not. But politically, the anti-Russian goals of Kaiser Germany, the “businessman from the revolution” Parvus and the “revolutionary dreamer” Lenin at this stage coincided. For Lenin, as a revolutionary internationalist, it was perfectly acceptable to cooperate with the German Empire against the Russian Empire, of which he was an irreconcilable enemy. Simply put, the Bolsheviks did not care on whose money to make a revolution.

At the same time, the German authorities, by giving Parvus the money, opened the Pandora’s box. The Germans had no idea about bolshevism. Walter Nikolai, head of the German military intelligence, wrote: “At that time, like any other, I did not know anything about Bolshevism, and I only knew about Lenin that I lived in Switzerland as a political emigrant Ulyanov, who delivered valuable information to my service about the situation in tsarist Russia, against which he fought. " The Kaiser’s military intelligence, together with the German Foreign Ministry, ensured that Parvus’s plan was fulfilled in the part in which he was in line with the goals of Germany to withdraw Russia from the war.

OWN GAME

However, Parvus would not have been a financial genius and political adventurer of a world scale if he had not played his own game: the revolution in Russia was only the first part of his plan. It was to be followed by a revolution in Germany. At the same time, the financial flows of the world revolution would be concentrated in the hands of Parvus. Of course, the Germans did not know about the second part of the plan of Parvus.

Parvus took up the creation of his own organization to influence events in Russia. The headquarters of the organization Parvus decided to locate in Copenhagen and Stockholm, through which the illegal connections of the Russian emigration with Russia, Germany with the West and Russia were carried out. First of all, Parvus created in Copenhagen the Institute for Scientific and Statistical Analysis (Institute for the Study of the Consequences of War) as a legal “roof” for conspiracy and information gathering. He brought five Russian émigré socialists from Switzerland to Copenhagen, ensuring them unimpeded passage through Germany, thus anticipating the famous history with a "sealed car". Parvus was nearly acquired by the staff of his institute Nikolai Bukharin, who refused this offer only under Lenin pressure. But Lenin provided Parvus as a contact person for his friend and assistant Jacob Fürstenberg-Ganetsky, a former member of the Central Committee of the united RSDLP.

Political, analytical and intelligence work Parvus combined with commercial activities. He created an export-import company that specialized in secret trade between Germany and Russia and financed revolutionary organizations in Russia from its revenues. For this company, Parvus received special import and export licenses from the German authorities. In addition to business, Parvus's company was also involved in politics, had its own network of agents who, traveling between Scandinavia and Russia, maintained contact with various underground organizations and strike committees, coordinated their actions. Soon the Netherlands, the United Kingdom and the United States entered the scope of Parvus's activities, but its main commercial interests were focused on trade with Russia. Parvus bought copper, rubber, tin and grain, which were badly needed for the German military economy, and supplied chemicals and machinery there. Some goods were transported across the border legally, others were smuggled.

Dr. Zimmer got acquainted with the structures of Parvus and made the most favorable impression about them. He conveyed his positive opinion to Count Brokdorf-Rantzau, the German ambassador to Copenhagen, who opened the doors of the German embassy before Parvus. The first meeting between Count Brokdorf-Rantzau and Parvus took place at the end of 1915. “Now I have learned Gelfand better and I think there can be no doubt that he is an extraordinary person whose unusual energy we simply have to use as now, when the war is going on, and later - regardless of whether we personally agree with his convictions or not, "wrote Count Brokdorf-Rantzau. He took Parvus's ideas about Russia to heart and became a constant intercessor for his affairs at the German Foreign Ministry.

Parvus and his structures vigorously prepared X-day in Russia: they should have been the next anniversary of Bloody Sunday - January 22, 1916. On this day, a general political strike was planned, designed, if not to bury, then to shake the Tsarist regime as much as possible. The strikes in the country did occur, but not as many as Parvus had expected. So the revolution did not happen. The German leadership considered this to Parvus to defeat. During the year, Parvus was not approached from Berlin on the sensitive issues of organizing subversive activities in Russia.

THIRD OPTION

The situation has changed the revolution in Russia, which occurred in February 1917 year. Germany needed Parvus again. In a conversation with Count Brokdorf-Rantzau, Parvus expressed the conviction that after the revolution only two versions of Germany’s relations with Russia are possible: either the German government decides to extensively occupy Russia, destroy its imperial state system and dismember Russia into several states dependent on Germany, or it makes a quick peace with the Provisional Government. For Parvus himself, both options were equally unacceptable: the first was associated with the risk of a rise in the patriotism of the Russian people and, accordingly, the morale of the Russian army; the second - with the slowdown in the implementation of the revolutionary program Parvus.

However, there was also a third option: Lenin. The German side, through the mediation of Parvus, forwards the leader of the Bolsheviks to Russia, where Lenin immediately unleashes anti-government activities, inclines the Provisional Government to sign the peace, or, with German assistance provided through Parvus, comes to power and signs a separate peace with Germany.

In the delivery of Lenin to Russia, Parvus enlisted the support of the German General Staff and entrusted Furstenberg-Ganetsky to inform Lenin that a railway corridor was arranged for him and for Zinoviev in Germany, without specifying that the proposal came from Parvus.

The departure of Russian émigrés from Zurich was appointed to 9 on April 1917. Together with Lenin, several dozen Russian revolutionaries left Zurich. There were several "Russian" trains. Parvus immediately informed the German Foreign Ministry that he was going to meet Russians in Sweden. The main goal of Parvus was contact with Lenin. This contact was provided by Furstenberg-Ganetsky, who was waiting for Lenin and his companions in Malmo and escorted them to Stockholm. Lenin did not go to a personal meeting with Parvus: for the leader of the Bolsheviks it was impossible to come up with anything more compromising than showing a connection with Parvus.

The role of the main negotiator with Parvus on the part of the Bolsheviks was assumed by Radek. 13 April 1917, Parvus and Radek talked in complete secrecy all day. Apparently, it was then that Parvus directly offered his support to the Bolsheviks in the struggle for power in Russia, and they, in the person of Radek, accepted it. Russian emigrants moved further to Finland, and Parvus - to the German embassy. He was summoned to the German Foreign Ministry, where a secret, without protocol, conversation with Secretary of State Zimmermann took place.

On 3 on April 1917, the German treasury, by order of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, allocated to Parvus 5 million marks for political purposes in Russia; Apparently, Zimmermann agreed with Parvus on the use of these huge funds. From Berlin, Parvus departed again to Stockholm, where he was in constant contact with members of the foreign bureau of the Central Committee of the Bolshevik Party Radek, Vorovskiy and Furstenberg-Ganetsky. Through them there was a transfer of German money to Russia, to the Bolshevik box office. Lenin's letters from Petrograd to Fürstenberg in Stockholm are full of phrases: "We still have not received money from you."

A year later, in 1918, Erich von Ludendorff, Chief of the Big Kaiser General Staff, admitted: “We took upon ourselves a great responsibility by bringing Lenin to Russia, but this had to be done to make Russia fall.”

CALCULATIONS DON'T EQUITABLE

October Revolution in Russia Parvus received with enthusiasm. But Parvus’s calculations that Lenin would give him a portfolio of the People's Commissar in the Soviet government were not justified. Radek told Parvus that the Bolshevik leader could not allow him to return to Russia. According to Lenin, “the cause of the revolution should not be stained with dirty hands.” After the Bolsheviks took power, Parvus began to interfere with both the Germans and the Bolsheviks: he knew too much.

Already in 1918, Parvus became a vehement critic of Lenin. Especially after Lenin's Sovnarkom announced a program for the nationalization of banks, land and industry. This program, which Parvus called criminal, struck his commercial interests. He decided to politically destroy Lenin and began collecting millions to create an empire of Russian-language newspapers from China to the borders of Afghanistan and their delivery to Russia. But it was too late. Lenin and the Bolsheviks were strengthened in power.

Disillusioned with Bolshevism, Parvus withdrew from public affairs and decided to spend the rest of his life in Switzerland, but he was expelled from there, because his true role in the destruction of Russia gradually began to emerge.

After the Kaiser Empire fell in 1918, they began to ask who was behind all these events (the second part of Parvus’s plan came up). The Swiss found a reason to invite Parvus to leave the country. He moved to Germany, where he bought a large villa near Berlin, where he died in the same year as Lenin - in the 1924 year. The death of the “chief financier” of the Bolshevik revolution did not cause sympathetic comments either in Russia or in Germany. For the right, Parvus was a revolutionary and a destroyer of foundations. For the left, the “pimp of imperialism” and a traitor to the cause of the revolution. “Parvus is part of the revolutionary past of the working class, trampled into the mud,” Karl Radek wrote in an obituary in the Bolshevik newspaper Pravda.
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  1. +6
    17 September 2017 07: 11
    ... the Gelfand family was left without a house and property and moved to Odessa, where Lazar worked as a loader in the port, and Israel studied at the gymnasium ....

    Interestingly, now the docker family, where one head of the family works, can afford to pay for the child’s education in a paid, prestigious school ???
    1. +1
      17 September 2017 10: 09
      Here you can ask a lot of questions)))
      And who reported this? Israel Gelfand itself? Or the author of the article? Or a meticulous biographer?
      Or...
      Did he work as a loader? Or led a brigade? Or in what other way did he manage the distribution of financial flows?
      Does the artisan Gelfand Sr. have no savings? Was the former artisan Gelfand so poor artisan that until the end of his life he worked in the port?
      And finally (although you can generate questions further), did the Gelfand family in Odessa not have rich relatives? Or Odessa Jewish community did not do charity work?
    2. 0
      17 September 2017 13: 12
      And in those days, she couldn’t - but allowed: Jews at that time were simply fanatic about education, the family could deny themselves the necessities - but pay for the child’s studies at the gymnasium!
    3. 0
      22 September 2017 01: 17
      Now it can’t, but under the tsarist regime it’s easy.
  2. +9
    17 September 2017 07: 18
    Yeah, really. Evidence of interested, without documents and eyewitnesses. So, if you want to denigrate someone and voice your thoughts, and even emotions. Spit on the fact that this is not true. No one could even find the Germans' documents on financing the Bolsheviks, or on the countless riches of V. And Lenin. But there is an order for spitting. In the last century it was * fashionable * to cook up evidence against the SOVIET UNION and Joseph VISSARIONOVICH STALIN. Today in the * West * they are concocting evidence against Vladimir Putin and against RUSSIA, and they are finding those who agree to crap and lie. But after all, there are the same mercenaries in RUSSIA.
    1. +2
      17 September 2017 07: 31
      Quote: Vasily50
      Today in the * West * they are concocting evidence against Vladimir Putin and against RUSSIA, and they are finding those who agree to crap and lie. But after all, there are the same mercenaries in RUSSIA.

      Read, a very entertaining analysis of the activities of one commission.
      https://cont.ws/@mzarezin1307/716316
    2. +2
      17 September 2017 08: 14
      Quote: Vasily50
      No one could even find the Germans' documents on financing the Bolsheviks, or on the countless wealth of V. Lenin.

      Any revolution requires material support. The people simply do not have money, but you cannot earn money by robbing banks for such an event.
      The revolution does not happen all of a sudden. It is cooked for a long time and carefully. The release of Iskra, the Narodniks, etc., solved the problem of spreading the idea among the masses. All this requires money and not small.
      1. +9
        17 September 2017 09: 24
        Quote: Boris55
        Any revolution requires material support

        Therefore, for example, Prince Lvov took greyhound puppies in the amount of 10000 bucks?
        Quote: Boris55
        The people simply do not have money, but you cannot earn money by robbing banks for such an event.

        Do not give your wish for reality, expropriation. There is no robbery. Your notorious slogans "rob the loot .." with which the Chubais operate, it sounds normal.
        Quote: Boris55
        The revolution does not happen all of a sudden. It is cooked for a long time and carefully.

        Well, her, with his clumsy actions, was prepared by the tsarist regime, along with Stolypin, now so glorified by him.
        Quote: Boris55
        The release of Iskra, the Narodniks, etc., solved the problem of spreading the idea among the masses.

        These ideas turned out to be stronger than the ideas of whites and Februaryists.
        Quote: Boris55
        All this requires money and not small.

        White to pay ANTANTE arms supplies. In an attempt to return to the past?
        or Chubais in 90 years, to overthrow the legitimate authority-boxes from under the photocopy everyone remembers.
        1. +2
          17 September 2017 09: 54
          Quote: Pancir026
          to overthrow the legitimate authority-boxes from under Xerox everyone remembers.

          So you understand that revolution needs money. What are the Xerox boxes with FOREIGN currencies, that Nuland with five billion greens and cookies on the Maidan ... It's good, but it’s not clear why you so stubbornly don’t want to admit that the same thing needed money for the 17 revolution and not small ones. Are you embarrassed to admit to yourself who bought you along with all your giblets?
          For the rest of your questions - see my post below.
          1. +4
            17 September 2017 11: 14
            Quote: Boris55
            the revolution of the 17th needed money, and not small ones.

            You don’t realize that February 17 did exactly-BIG money? And October 17, is it cleaning up the corrupt stuff to create a country?
            Here is a one-piece answer Stroporez Today, 09:52 ↑
            1. 0
              17 September 2017 14: 20
              Quote: Pancir026
              October 17, is harvesting trash corrupt in order to create a country?

              "Workers of all countries unite." This slogan was on all Soviet newspapers. The revolution in Russia was made for the sake of a worldwide revolution. The signing of the "Brest Peace" frustrated these plans. Only after that did the construction of socialism in one country begin. But the ideas of the world have not been forgotten ...
        2. +3
          17 September 2017 13: 05
          Quote: Pancir026
          Therefore, for example, Prince Lvov took greyhound puppies
          That is, the fact of the need for money does not raise questions?
          Quote: Pancir026
          , expropriation. there is no robbery
          And the attendant death of random people is not a tragedy.
          Quote: Pancir026
          Well, her, with his clumsy actions, was prepared by the tsarist regime
          Considering how many times revolutionaries escaped from links, one can say so.
          Quote: Pancir026
          These ideas were stronger than ideas.
          USSR collapsed, in fact. offering the same ideas.
    3. +6
      17 September 2017 09: 38
      Actually, documents on the financing of the Bolsheviks by Germany were partially discovered. So, the cooperation of future communists with the German Empire is an open secret. The Bolsheviks were fierce enemies of Russia and were ready for anything to destroy it.
      1. +7
        17 September 2017 09: 52
        [quote = ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH] Actually, the documents on the financing of the Bolsheviks by Germany were partially discovered. [/ quote]
        Dear, Dr. Goebbels came up with your thesis. Are you his follower?
        Particularly touches [quote]partially discovered [/ Quote]
        About Katyn still get a worn-out record. [Quote = ALEXEI VLADIMIROVICH]. The Bolsheviks were fierce enemies of Russia and were ready to do anything to destroy it. [/ Quote]
        fool
      2. MrK
        +7
        17 September 2017 11: 26
        Quote: ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH
        Actually, documents on the financing of the Bolsheviks by Germany were partially discovered.

        Strange somehow - partially discovered. Well so imagine these documents.
        As far back as 1916, Lenin openly declared Parvus a German agent acting in the interests of the German General Staff. And these documents are published.
        A true revolutionary money at least the hell. Everything that benefits the revolution and brings its bright moment closer is moral. This simple rule was guided not only by the Bolsheviks, of whom scapegoats were made with naive eyes, and all up to a single party and movement, not necessarily Russian. The question is not who to get from. The question is - what will give after the revolution?
        And to the question of the “sealed wagon”, on which the Bolsheviks arrived in Sweden. The fact, as they say, took place. However, it is less known that, in addition to a couple of dozen Bolsheviks, 169 members of other parties — Mensheviks, Socialist-Revolutionaries, Anarchists, Bundists, Lithuanian Social Democrats, Finnish nationalists, etc. — also got through Germany from Switzerland to Sweden through Germany. So, by analogy with Lenin, all of them can also be called "German spies." But the current liberals and the author of the article are modestly silent about this.
        And the last one. As information. The famous English spy George Hill, in his autobiographical book My Spy Life, published in Russia in 2000, tells who produced the fake documents about the financing of the Bolsheviks by the Germans.
        Hill was an ardent anti-communist and participated in several conspiracies against the Soviet government. So there is no reason to suspect Hill of sympathy for the Bolsheviks.
        And the initiator of the legend that the Bolsheviks, in particular Lenin, were agents of Germany, according to Hill, was the Minister of Arms of France Albert Thom, and the developer and executor was the captain of the French intelligence, Pierre Laurent. It was he who propagated in the summer of 1917 the idea of ​​the Germans using the Bolsheviks and Lenin personally as "paid German agents." The head of counterintelligence of the Provisional Government, Boris Nikitin, helped him disseminate this information. Previously a Bolshevik, by the way.
        1. +1
          17 September 2017 13: 59
          Quote: mrark
          Strange somehow - partially discovered.

          And what's so strange about that? Such matters are carefully concealed by all parties concerned.On April 1, 1917, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Berlin requested the Reich Ministry of Finance to allocate (“further”) 5 million marks for expenses “for political purposes” in Russia. In general, Germany financed many people, from Finns and Poles to Georgians and Ukrainians. The Bolsheviks are simply the most lying scoundrels, otherwise they would not have won.
    4. +4
      17 September 2017 09: 44
      What it came to. Abundant quoting and extrapolation of modernity to the past is already seemingly obligatory. In February * rrrevolutionaries * paid for the coup themselves because they were not poor, and besides, foreign curators promised them a lot. The Bolsheviks did not take money from any government. In Brest, the Bolsheviks were forced to negotiate and concede with the Germans, since the temporary had to decompose the army and, together with the Entente, determined the zones of occupation of RUSSIA. In fact, there was no army in RUSSIA, and even the allies stole the money that paid for military supplies.
      The fact that today the coups are called rrrevolution and paid from abroad does not mean that it was the same in RUSSIA in 1917. It is not necessary to give manuals from the USA for history.
      1. +3
        17 September 2017 11: 37
        In Brest, with the Germans, the Bolsheviks were forced to negotiate and cede
        ,
        ... It is somehow not mentioned that a delegation of the Ukrainian Rada participated in the negotiations in Brest, by the way a big mistake of the Bolsheviks that they invited to participate, and the Bolsheviks signed the enslaving conditions of the Brest Peace in March, and in February an agreement was signed in Brest between Vkarina and the Central Powers, according to which, the troops of the Central Powers were stationed on the territory of Ukraine .. The front was opened ..
      2. 0
        17 September 2017 14: 17
        Quote: Vasily50
        The Bolsheviks did not take money from any government.
        Of course. Money was provided by the "German proletariat" in the person of Parvus and Reich officials.
    5. +4
      17 September 2017 10: 04
      Quote: Vasily50
      Today in the * West * they are concocting evidence against VV Putin and against RUSSIA,

      A colleague, GDP is not Russia, it is only a manager hired by the people for a high position, and hired by no means an overwhelming majority. His "shoals" and "shoals" of his Co. have nothing to do with Russia.
      1. +2
        17 September 2017 10: 12
        Therefore, he wrote that in the * West * they are concocting evidence against Vladimir Putin and Russia.

        By the way, descriptions of the countless riches of Vladimir Putin himself are popular, or those who are appointed to the post * pocket * of Vladimir Putin. The method is very similar to the manuals from Dr. Goebels.
        1. +5
          17 September 2017 10: 32
          Quote: Vasily50
          By the way, descriptions of the countless riches of Vladimir Putin himself are popular, or those who are appointed to the post * pocket * of Vladimir Putin.

          Do you doubt it? I’m personally sure. If his portfolio secretary by the name of Sechin has several million a day, and his boss is an altruist? Don't you think this is nonsense?
          Recall Comrade Stalin and his French.
      2. +3
        17 September 2017 10: 12
        Quote: Stroporez
        Colleague, GDP is not Russia,

        Yes.
        Quote: Stroporez
        His "schools" and "schools" of his Co. have nothing to do with Russia.

        No.
        and why not, here
        http://www.stoletie.ru/politika/zagovor_protiv_pu
        tina_116.htm
      3. +1
        17 September 2017 11: 06
        Sling cutter, you are not a fan of V.V. and I, too, am not enthusiastic about his policy, but there is NO BETTER. After all, it’s not Kasyan’s “reigning”, Papa Zyu missed his chance in the 90s (Korzhakov says that everything was hanging on a string), and then Papa Zyu himself admired on TV that his “red nose” called for tea to drink. It seems that on our site Umalatova’s words cited that he did not seek to defeat
        1. +4
          17 September 2017 11: 11
          Quote: Monarchist
          It seems that on our site the words of Umalatova were quoted

          She better keep quiet.
          Quote: Monarchist
          (Korzhakov says that everything hung on a string)

          And if it weren’t for the activities of two imitators for the national happiness of a swan and Zhirinovsky, much would have been different. By the way, Yeltsin was taunting in the event of a loss and the West’s troops should intervene .. in Moscow during the events of 93, there were no one on the side of the Yeltsinists amerovskih and Baltic snipers. to the bandits of their radical terrorist organization Bnai Nbr ..
          And the fact that neither Kasyan 2%, nor the Khodorkovsky thief and grabber, nor the same bulk vortex with K, is free for the country, along with all those supporting them, that’s right.
        2. +3
          17 September 2017 11: 17
          Quote: Monarchist
          You are not a fan of V.V. and I am also not enthusiastic about his policies, but there is NO BETTER

          Why such a conclusion? Why is this lieutenant colonel better than some other lieutenant colonel?
          Quote: Monarchist
          eat, not Kasyan "to the kingdom"

          Of course not! Grudinin is genuinely nice to me.
          Quote: Monarchist
          Dad Zu missed his chance in the 90s

          It’s clear that Sue is a “whistle” in a pressure cooker to remove excess steam, but I’m sure that there are many other competent and active people in the party. Now it’s important for all healthy left-wing forces to unite and nominate a single candidate.
          1. +1
            18 September 2017 17: 19
            I don’t know why, but neither the right-wing so-called, nor the liberals, nor the left stl, well, unity is not obtained ... how many elections were there, how many opportunities were there, tear apart both within the parties themselves and in general ... with EBNeshke, the parliament could practically unite the left and centrist forces ... and to hell with this comrade, 93 years old ... and 96 are indicative ... in my opinion, they were not finalized with the power structures ... and in 96 ... Zyu ..it was certainly stupidly sold out .. but why didn’t anyone pick it up, or I don’t know .. before the election there was another candidate brighter, bolder or something ..... even in the history of the Mensheviks, Bolsheviks, essays are right and left .. even inside among themselves there was no unity .. I apologize of course for the confusion .. and regarding comrade Grudinin ... in 18 he won’t be able to pull ... because he is known locally enough ... Starodubtsev, remember, he was still the governor of the Tula region at one time, and before that, the chairman of the Lenin collective farm in the Novomoskvosky district, at that time the collective farm was really a millionaire, elegantly there in his Soviet and German Wow post-Soviet times people lived ....
    6. +1
      23 September 2017 02: 20
      Do you think revolutions are being made with clean hands? Look through the fence to Ukraine.
  3. +9
    17 September 2017 08: 10
    Alexander Solzhenitsyn more or less accurately described the circumstances in which Parvus imposed his society on Lenin, but Solzhenitsyn could not know the content of their conversation.
    .. Solzhenitsyn did not know the content of the conversation, but stated it for sure ... And so the whole article .. The author draws conclusions only from those sources that are pleasant to him .. And why, for example, he is silent that Parvus hid more with Trotsky, it hurts he liked the idea of ​​a permanent revolution that Trotsky put forward ... "My answer to Kerensky and the company": I always, - wrote Parvus, - supported by all means at my disposal and will continue to support the Russian socialist movement. Tell me, madmen, why it bothers you, did I give money to Lenin? Neither Lenin nor the other Bolsheviks whose names you name have ever asked for or received any money from me either in the form of a loan or as a gift ... Why the author does not write about this either: in the summer of 1917 the Central Committee of the RSDLP (b) examined the personal file Polish revolutionaries Y. Ganetsky and M. Yu. Kozlovsky, accused of speculation and smuggling, Ganetskiy in his testimony about this company reported: "Being in a difficult financial situation, having learned that Parvus was doing business in Copenhagen, I turned to him and suggested his services. Parvus first offered me money for my personal equipment in commerce. But, having no experience, I did not want to personally deal with other people's money. A little later a joint-stock company was organized, and I was the manager. " Why doesn’t he refer to the American historian S. Landers, who, having studied the correspondence intercepted by the Russian counterintelligence, Ganetsky with his financial agents in Petrograd, came to the disappointing conclusion: "The goods were sent to Petrograd, and the money earned for them - to Stockholm, but never these funds went in the opposite direction "... More carefully, it is necessary, more thoroughly .. The Gelfand Memorandum itself, on the one hand, is a carefully developed action plan, and on the other it is a deliberate bluff, in which only three words were filled with real content:" a lot of money will be needed " . It was for the sake of money, Parvus himself - spread rumors about an upcoming uprising in Petrograd. When in 1917 these rumors reached the Russian capital, the head of the St. Petersburg security department, K. I. Globachev, who, unlike Parvus, had direct contacts with social democratic organizations through his agents, reported to his superiors: "... The funds of their organizations are insignificant which would hardly have happened if German assistance had been received. "Globachev wrote specifically about Parvus’s plans:" These are only dreams that are never destined to come true, because to create such a grandiose movement, besides money, you need the authority that Parvus has now no longer ... "
    1. +5
      17 September 2017 08: 59
      What a pity that Lenin and Parvus forgot Solzhinitsin to invite, in order to know exactly what they agreed or didn’t agree
      1. +4
        17 September 2017 12: 31
        By the way, after the death of Parvus, all his fortune disappeared, his entire archive mysteriously disappeared and quite quickly. If the Bolsheviks seized the archive and there was compromising evidence against them, this part of the archive would have surfaced in today's Russia and in the 90s would have been published .. If German intelligence had taken possession, compromising material against the Bolsheviks would also have been published, or used against the USSR as blackmail, could have been published now in the West .. But no, the disappeared archives are silent, then there is something stronger than Faust Goethe .. The fate of his son Parvus from his first marriage, E. A. Gnedin, is very interesting, a Soviet diplomat who was repressed in 1939, did not testify against Litvinov in 1956. He was actively involved in journalistic, journalistic and human rights activities after rehabilitation. Was a friend of A.D. Sakharov. He actively promoted the idea of ​​the peaceful coexistence of two systems. A shaft of criticism and threats fell upon him for this. In protest in 1979, he quit the CPSU. He died sometime in 1984 or 1983. The fate of the other son is rather mysterious, even his name could not be found out. It is only known that he worked at the embassy of the USSR in Italy, where his traces are lost, mysteriously disappeared. Who knows, maybe Parvus’s disappeared state and archive still had an “heir” ... There was another Gelfand Lev Borisovich, also an interesting biography, a member of Jewish self-defense during the Civil War, the commissar of armored forces, appointed at the suggestion of Kotovsky, worked with Trotsky, then the head of the trust, he stole expelled from the party, reinstated, from 1925 on diplomatic work, was involved in the abduction of Kutepov. In 1933 he was sent to Italy to the post of 1st secretary of the Plenipotentiary Mission of the USSR. Since December 1933, adviser to the Embassy. In the years 1938-1940. Acting charge d'affaires. In the midst of the outbreak of World War II in June 1940, fled from the embassy. He moves to the United States, where he becomes a thriving businessman, changes his name, becomes Leon Moore, and his wife establishes a theater. Over time, Leon Moore became an adviser to Allen Dulles when he began to work, and then was appointed director of the US CIA. A strange coincidence, it was during this period in USSR I.V. Stalin begins an anti-Semitic company .. The case of doctors, the Joint organization, the death of Mikhoels .. Here is such information for consideration. It is difficult to draw any conclusions .. we don’t know much.
        1. +1
          17 September 2017 13: 09
          Quote: parusnik
          But no, the disappeared archives are silent, so there is something stronger than Faust Goethe

          For some reason, all revolutionaries strove to arrange revolutions in Russia and Germany, but in England somehow they didn’t. Findings?
          1. +1
            17 September 2017 16: 18
            And you read the history of the English revolution, it lasted about 100 years with interruptions .. from a year .. here and draw conclusions ...
            1. 0
              17 September 2017 16: 33
              Quote: parusnik
              You read the story of the English revolution

              And did Lenin and his colleagues take part in it?
              1. +1
                17 September 2017 16: 37
                And you read, reflect ...
                1. 0
                  17 September 2017 19: 32
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  And did Lenin and his colleagues take part in it?

                  I understand the answer will not be?
    2. +2
      17 September 2017 15: 16
      Bravo. I wanted to unsubscribe myself, but you got ahead. Everything is correct, first rumors are voiced, then they are given out as evidence. They attract a person with a big name, in this case Solzhenitsyn. and all those who are too lazy to think for themselves see keywords and learn nonsense. and then this heresy is spread as truth. Parvus cunningly and cynically spread the Germans into grandmas. The Germans led themselves, but the dough is gone ... at the same time he turned the arrows to the Bolsheviks .. as they say, spoons were found and the sediment remained ..
  4. +1
    17 September 2017 08: 52
    Quote: moskowit
    ... the Gelfand family was left without a house and property and moved to Odessa, where Lazar worked as a loader in the port, and Israel studied at the gymnasium ....

    Interestingly, now the docker family, where one head of the family works, can afford to pay for the child’s education in a paid, prestigious school ???

    This was possible only with "damned tsarism", but now there is no king
    1. +4
      17 September 2017 08: 57
      Quote: Monarchist
      This was possible only with "damned tsarism", but now there is no king

      You want to say that the workers, everything absolutely, under the tsar, received a lot, that all children studied at the university?
      1. +2
        17 September 2017 09: 11
        Quote: Pancir026
        ... the workers, all absolutely, under the king, received a lot ...

        Workers received enough to support an unemployed wife and seven children. The truth is that 85% of the country's inhabitants were peasants who did not receive anything at all.
        But here Clara Tselkin came, took the children to the kindergartens, and sent the wives to work with the total income of the family becoming much less than what it was before.
        Returning to yesterday’s conversation. You still do not understand why the people demolished the CPSU.



        1. +2
          17 September 2017 10: 20
          Quote: Boris55
          You still don’t understand why the people demolished the CPSU

          The people, having seen enough of the works of Hollywood, wanted the same. When Santa Barbara started, I thought I was seeing the drama of an ordinary American family ... But it turned out that this was the suffering of a wealthy family from not the poorest city in America.
          Although the problems of gerontocracy and bronzelism in the CPSU, this does not cancel.
          There were other times:
          "... De-Stalinization was an initiative of the nomenclature. Actually, the nomenclature itself became a nomenclature as a result of de-Stalinization. What is nomenclature? The Stalinist apparatus, the elite, which, on the one hand, was continuously updated, continuously reproduced, on the other hand, was continuously repressed ..." .
          A good article by Leontyev on this subject (quote from it):
          https://vz.ru/opinions/2011/5/5/489107.html
          "... This elite, created in the Stalin years, after the leader left, demanded privileges for himself: first, guarantees of security, and then guarantees of irresponsibility and impunity. And they got it. This is the essence of de-Stalinization - when the production mechanism of the elites continued act, and the mechanism of their absorption was disabled ... "
  5. +3
    17 September 2017 09: 09
    Quote: Boris55
    Quote: Vasily50
    No one could even find the Germans' documents on financing the Bolsheviks, or on the countless wealth of V. Lenin.

    Any revolution requires material support. The people simply do not have money, but you cannot earn money by robbing banks for such an event.
    The revolution does not happen all of a sudden. It is cooked for a long time and carefully. The release of Iskra, the Narodniks, etc., solved the problem of spreading the idea among the masses. All this requires money and not small.

    I agree with you: without money, they don’t make revolutions
    1. +3
      17 September 2017 09: 49
      I think that the Zionists noticed the sensible and punchy dude ... and it was they who paid for his studies over the hill, in the name of a happy Jewish future.
      ___
      As for the financing of revolutions. My sidekick during the years of the collapse of the Union served the regime, and somehow recorded on video who comes for the money from Moscow to the safe house of the liberals. Everything would be fine, but he ordered to trace where this money is spent :)))) and this is deadly information for the owner of the information ... with the corresponding end
  6. +4
    17 September 2017 09: 38
    I think that Dear Boris (the author of an excellent article) should have added as an arm with 30 thugs appeared in Petrograd. Where our Nicholas II and his secret police were looking at that time. After all, there was the death penalty in Russia for special crimes. The king in Tsarskoye Selo shot a raven in the mornings. I have the honor.
  7. +3
    17 September 2017 10: 18
    Quote: midshipman
    I think that Dear Boris (the author of an excellent article) should have added as an arm with 30 thugs appeared in Petrograd. Where our Nicholas II and his secret police were looking at that time. After all, there was the death penalty in Russia for special crimes. The king in Tsarskoye Selo shot a raven in the mornings. I have the honor.

    Dear, if I remember correctly, Schiff sent 300 thugs (279). Although, I could be wrong.
    The best words from Soviet films are the Savinkovskys, something about the security department, such as "to shoot you a little - they missed the revolution" +/-
  8. 0
    17 September 2017 10: 18
    One of the main living ones involved in the collapse of RI! Along with others ... for some reason, on closer examination, being a representative of the black hat, let it burn in hell !!!
  9. +4
    17 September 2017 10: 20
    It is not mentioned that Parvus "spun", as they say today
    proletarian writer M. Gorky.
    He was his producer. Gorky's books translated into European languages,
    made an advertisement - and Gorky became very rich. And together he and Parvus
    Commission.

    In a nutshell: Parvus 1) invented the “permanent revolution” and 2) vowed to “bury
    empire of the Romanovs. "And ... made a significant contribution to this bad enterprise sad .
    When the Romanovs recanted, he lost interest in Russia - "the work is done."
    1. +2
      17 September 2017 11: 01
      Right "genius." Marx and Lenin went out for a walk ... The devil "tidied him up" in time .... And if only Joseph Vissarionovich would have got him like Leib Trotsky ... There would have been enough "Mercadors" for everyone.
      1. +4
        17 September 2017 11: 36
        Lenin, too, died very, very on time.
        And then the Stalinists would playfully come up with a "Leninist conspiracy" in addition
        to the "Trotskyist". And they would give another ice ax to someone.
        1. +1
          17 September 2017 11: 49
          29. No rotten word comes from your mouth, but only good for edification in the faith, so that it brings grace to those who listen.
          (Ephesians 4: 29)
          1. 0
            17 September 2017 13: 55
            I hope that I delivered a little grace.
            But not to please everyone, of course ... fellow
  10. 0
    17 September 2017 10: 28
    Quote: moskowit
    ... the Gelfand family was left without a house and property and moved to Odessa, where Lazar worked as a loader in the port, and Israel studied at the gymnasium ....

    Interestingly, now the docker family, where one head of the family works, can afford to pay for the child’s education in a paid, prestigious school ???

    Can. If you join the Freemasons or Zionists ... Read more!
    1. +1
      17 September 2017 10: 55
      Please, mon ami, kind "Hurricane70" to make a list of books and materials for the necessary reading. I’ll start the study right away ... And I think that my lack of mind, thanks to your instructions, will straighten right away. recourse what
  11. +1
    17 September 2017 10: 30
    Quote: voyaka uh
    It is not mentioned that Parvus "spun", as they say today
    proletarian writer M. Gorky.
    He was his producer. Gorky's books translated into European languages,
    made an advertisement - and Gorky became very rich. And together he and Parvus
    Commission.

    In a nutshell: Parvus 1) invented the “permanent revolution” and 2) vowed to “bury
    empire of the Romanovs. "And ... made a significant contribution to this bad enterprise sad .
    When the Romanovs recanted, he lost interest in Russia - "the work is done."

    Who called him a proletarian writer? Do you like? Gorky was a freemason; a fact has been established; there is free access ...
    1. +2
      17 September 2017 11: 44
      Okay, okay ... all the Masons, but what about? bully
      1. +1
        17 September 2017 15: 21
        but as you know, all Masons are Jews but not all Masons are Jews .. bully
  12. +1
    17 September 2017 10: 33
    Quote: ImPerts
    Here you can ask a lot of questions)))
    And who reported this? Israel Gelfand itself? Or the author of the article? Or a meticulous biographer?
    Or...
    Did he work as a loader? Or led a brigade? Or in what other way did he manage the distribution of financial flows?
    Does the artisan Gelfand Sr. have no savings? Was the former artisan Gelfand so poor artisan that until the end of his life he worked in the port?
    And finally (although you can generate questions further), did the Gelfand family in Odessa not have rich relatives? Or Odessa Jewish community did not do charity work?

    Does it matter which entry in the workbook? (In modern language). People worked on the collapse of RI !!! Let it burn in hell, along with other black hatters! With your nickname then indulge in verbiage ...
    1. +4
      17 September 2017 10: 35
      Quote: Hurricane70
      Does it matter which entry in the workbook? (In modern language). People worked on the collapse of RI !!!

      Nikolay 2? Milyukov? Guchkov? Yes, these worked well.
  13. +2
    17 September 2017 10: 36
    I read comments and wonder where the real Leninists are. Why didn’t they rush to defend the CPSU?
    1. +5
      17 September 2017 10: 40
      Quote: captain
      I read comments and wonder where the real Leninists are.

      Well, you. Having a membership card of the CPSU, didn’t rush?
      And now you make a surprised face and loudly want everyone, why would there be such zeal?
      Like any neophyte who believes in liberalism, strive to be holier than Chubais?
      You will indict yourself, you have surrendered the country. And you have betrayed what you swore. You act ugly when you try to lay your blame on others.
  14. 0
    17 September 2017 10: 44
    Quote: Vasily50
    Yeah, really. Evidence of interested, without documents and eyewitnesses. So, if you want to denigrate someone and voice your thoughts, and even emotions. Spit on the fact that this is not true. No one could even find the Germans' documents on financing the Bolsheviks, or on the countless riches of V. And Lenin. But there is an order for spitting. In the last century it was * fashionable * to cook up evidence against the SOVIET UNION and Joseph VISSARIONOVICH STALIN. Today in the * West * they are concocting evidence against Vladimir Putin and against RUSSIA, and they are finding those who agree to crap and lie. But after all, there are the same mercenaries in RUSSIA.

    When you lie down on the grass and look at the starry sky, don’t you see the inscription - Eh Vasya? See? Read on! Have you read? Putin on ... And here? Article on ... About Parvus !!! Vasya, continue reading the starry sky, all the best to you, but you can’t be like that ... just like you fell from your mother yesterday ... What evidence, what documents !? Everything is in the public domain, read, smarter !!! In your opinion, the person who uploads the article must necessarily provide evidence and a video with a lawyer? And Hvanson, flying over Japan, confirmed by seismographs, scientific drawings and videos? Oh, Vasya! All the best to you, no offense!
  15. +1
    17 September 2017 10: 50
    Quote: captain
    I read comments and wonder where the real Leninists are. Why didn’t they rush to defend the CPSU?

    With respect, but is it more correct to say, the Stalinists? So how did Stalin nullify the faithful, to the elbow of the bloody real Leninists? For which he was scolded, like Grozny, for example! But I understood the essence and myself in shock ...
  16. 0
    17 September 2017 10: 58
    Quote: Pancir026
    Quote: captain
    I read comments and wonder where the real Leninists are.

    Well, you. Having a membership card of the CPSU, didn’t rush?
    And now you make a surprised face and loudly want everyone, why would there be such zeal?
    Like any neophyte who believes in liberalism, strive to be holier than Chubais?
    You will indict yourself, you have surrendered the country. And you have betrayed what you swore. You act ugly when you try to lay your blame on others.

    How do you know what the person you are addressing was doing? And especially where did he throw / did not throw? I notice more and more often that you are engaged in verbiage and for you to blurt out ...
  17. +7
    17 September 2017 11: 10
    Recently, in the genre of historical fiction, the theme of the struggle of various forces, which for the sake of brevity we will call the world behind the scenes, against the Russian Empire, is being increasingly popularized. Even on the VO website we have an article on this issue almost every day.
    It is interesting that, despite the deep concealment of the activities of this world behind the scenes, the authors of the articles have a huge amount of information on this very activity and easily tear the curtains and masks from the historical processes and their participants.
    There is some doubt about the almost complete absence of any real documents in this regard, but the authors know for sure that they exist and will certainly be found in the very near future.
    In terms of the foregoing, I would very much like to read about how the Russian Empire, represented by its leaders (emperors), counteracted all this work on its (empire, that is) collapse. Or do the authors believe that the collapse was a settled matter and there is no point in writing about resistance to it? Or do the authors have no information about such efforts? Or were they insufficient and it was not interesting to write about them? In a word, can anyone respond from fiction historians, write something on this topic.
  18. 0
    17 September 2017 11: 11
    Quote: moskowit
    Please, mon ami, kind "Hurricane70" to make a list of books and materials for the necessary reading. I’ll start the study right away ... And I think that my lack of mind, thanks to your instructions, will straighten right away. recourse what

    Yes, I would imagine ... I found it myself, downloaded it myself ... But at the moment I do not have access to my computer (for work) ... Out of all the connections, the smartphone !!! But I will fulfill the request in the near future, with respect!
    1. +2
      17 September 2017 12: 58
      Try, darling, I will be extremely obliged. And how to vegetate in dullness and illiteracy is no longer comme il faut ... And it’s hard to find mentors and truths that comprehend the "gurus" ... Please, kindly direct, please, to the true "bosom" of Knowledge. And then for 65 years I haven’t been able to touch the Source ....
  19. 0
    17 September 2017 11: 13
    Quote: Hurricane70
    Quote: voyaka uh
    It is not mentioned that Parvus "spun", as they say today
    proletarian writer M. Gorky.
    He was his producer. Gorky's books translated into European languages,
    made an advertisement - and Gorky became very rich. And together he and Parvus
    Commission.

    In a nutshell: Parvus 1) invented the “permanent revolution” and 2) vowed to “bury
    empire of the Romanovs. "And ... made a significant contribution to this bad enterprise sad .
    When the Romanovs recanted, he lost interest in Russia - "the work is done."

    Who called him a proletarian writer? Do you like? Gorky was a freemason; a fact has been established; there is free access ...

    And the Masons are closely intertwined with the Zionists
  20. 0
    17 September 2017 11: 17
    Quote: Pancir026
    Quote: Hurricane70
    Does it matter which entry in the workbook? (In modern language). People worked on the collapse of RI !!!

    Nikolay 2? Milyukov? Guchkov? Yes, these worked well.

    Without Nicholas ... He is really gentle, indecisive, gullible and therefore deceived ... His guilt is that, being the Anointed of God, he had to stand at the head of the people, to raise the spirit of the people by personal example, to sacrifice himself in the name of the Fatherland, Orthodoxy and The people ... What did he do, you know! How to put it on a par with others, you know better ...
    1. +2
      17 September 2017 15: 27
      if you are soft gullible and not decisive, why did he become king? Well, do not pull the job, give it to the one who pulls ... especially when you are responsible for a huge country ...
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        17 September 2017 15: 40
        And Kohl, by the way, at the beginning undertook to give up the throne shortly, but, apparently, he liked to be in charge.
    2. +1
      19 September 2017 14: 50
      Quote: Hurricane70
      . His guilt is that, being the Anointed of God,

      C'mon, here is this snowstorm of revenge .... the “anointed one”, this plastered clown in the royal crown, surrendered the Empire like a horse to a slaughterhouse, they found someone to regret..the mediocre and useless ruler in Russia, along with Gorbachev and Yeltsin.
  21. 0
    17 September 2017 13: 36
    Of course, Lenin did not write obligations: I swear by God to be faithful to the Kaiser, he did not believe in God, and it was possible to cooperate with German intelligence indirectly through Parvus or someone else. All the same, Walter Nikolai is not from a hangover: "who delivered valuable information to my service about the situation of tsarist Russia" wrote this.
    Hedgehog it is clear that the German intelligence had access to Russian political emigration, and the most prominent emigrants were the Bolsheviks (as was stated in Soviet history textbooks) and Lenin. To be fair, let’s recall other irreconcilable emigrants: anarchists, Socialist-Revolutionaries, but again Lenin, ONE of the most intelligent and authoritative politicians.
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      17 September 2017 14: 18
      Radek tried in court to talk about those glorious days of his participation in this epic ... Naturally, they shut him up right away :)
    2. +1
      19 September 2017 14: 48
      Quote: Monarchist
      Of course, Lenin did not write obligations: I swear by God to be faithful to the Kaiser, he did not believe in God, and it was possible to cooperate with German intelligence indirectly through Parvus or someone else. All the same, Walter Nikolai is not a hangover

      The speculation is not confirmed by any serious historians. Why do you cling to black myths? You are sorry for the insignificant Nikolashka, but vehemently hate Lenin, who has gathered the country? So you are in your own way, a monarchorus-phobia, aren't you?
      Quote: Monarchist
      To be fair, let us recall other irreconcilable emigrants: anarchists, Socialist-Revolutionaries

      Recall what? It turns out that the role of these forces in the end turned out to be NEGATIVE for the country. Unlike the Bolsheviks.
      Trying to condemn the past .. in vain. History took place as it took place.
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        19 September 2017 16: 24
        Quote: Pancir026
        You are sorry for the insignificant Nikolashka, but vehemently hate Lenin, who gathered the country? So you are in your own way, a monarchorus-phobia, aren't you?

        It is interesting to know - what kind of non-Russian person do you have the moral right to call someone Russophobe or insult the Russian Tsar?
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          19 September 2017 21: 23
          I’m a Russian man. And it’s high time to understand that in Russia they’re beaten not according to the passport, but in the face ... and the anti-Soviet is always Russophobe ...
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            19 September 2017 21: 48
            It is logical to think that the Russian people adhere to the views inherent in the millennial Russian state. Actually, this is the period when the Russian people took shape. Those who hold the views of the Soviet state that gave oak for 70 years are a Soviet man, a friend of the proletarians of the whole world, without traditions, religion and other bourgeois atavisms.
            Quote: Long in stock.
            in Russia they beat

            In the 17th, you lowered Russia into the sewers, so what does it have to do with it.
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              20 September 2017 08: 45
              have we let it down Well, well ... would you at least ask what happened to Russia before the age of 17 ... and who brought it to such a state .. next, for knowledge ...
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                20 September 2017 09: 23
                Quote: Long in stock.
                that was with Russia until 17goda.

                That's what I’m talking about - for you, the Soviets, everything that was before the year 17 in Russia is gloom and fumes. Bright life began only with the advent of the half-Jew / half-Kalmyk Ulyanov and Georgian Dzhugashvili.
                And before that, the Russian man did not seem to live, but suffered. I don’t know - you don’t see a mind in it? Well then, where did you get it from, if you call yourself a Russian?
                How can a person who does not like the history of Russia (religion, traditions, etc.) until the age of 17 and sees bright spots there can be called Russian? What are your characteristics?
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                  20 September 2017 12: 04
                  God, how are you all the same ... did you write yourself like a Russian? Have you measured your skull? You don’t know the history of Russia from the word at all .. you don’t need to love history, you need to know it and don’t drag it with slogans on the air .. empty. .
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                    20 September 2017 16: 39
                    Quote: Long in stock.
                    you recorded yourself as a Russian? measured yourself a skull? you know the history of Russia

                    And I measured the skull - this is a good thing and I know that my pre-revolutionary grandmother said (not on air with slogans, but secretly) that before the revolution only loafers lived poorly in the village. By the way, she was a peasant woman, like all my ancestors.
                    Do you have a skull like Leiba Davydovich’s? Also a nobleman was a guardian for the Russian people laughing
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                      20 September 2017 17: 31
                      yeah. one grandmother said .. know we heard .. I'm talking, I mean.
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                      21 September 2017 11: 32
                      Quote: Fenrir48
                      Do you have a skull like Leiba Davydovich’s? Also a nobleman was a guardian for the Russian people

                      Well, you have betrayed yourself .. a real RUSSIAN man, measuring skulls. Noses and ears, as well as with an open eye, is not interested in whether it is important to him whether the person is in front of him or Natsik of the most despicable tribe-anti-Soviet-Russophobe.
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                        21 September 2017 12: 28
                        Quote: Pancir026
                        .is a real RUSSIAN person, is not interested in measuring skulls, noses and ears, as well as with a cut of eyes, it is important for him

                        So I want to understand where you, being non-Russian, take the audacity to say such things? I can justify my Russianness on all counts. And you, apart from references to the half-Jew, half-Jew of Lenin, can you provide something?
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          21 September 2017 11: 29
          Quote: Fenrir48
          FenrirXnumx

          Are you talking about yourself? However, after reading your epistolary work, in the form of comments, I realized that you are as far from Russian as far as some from the moon.
          Quote: Fenrir48
          In the 17th, you lowered Russia into the sewers, so what does it have to do with it.

          Are you talking about your. February journalists of varying degrees of venality? Well, call a spade a spade, that they were corrupt, that you are equally similar to them, and make claims against yourself.
          An adviser by definition, always Russophobe.
  22. +1
    18 September 2017 18: 19
    Parvus’s collaboration with Kaiser intelligence is actually the 2nd background. More interesting is the connection between Parvus and Trotsky with the world behind the scenes. That's where the real money comes from, and the Germans are so small things. This topic is still waiting for its historians, but apparently will not wait. A thorough study of the issue suggests that it was Trotsky and Parvus who were the main creators of the revolution, and they needed Lenin as a "banner", an ideologist. And in fact - for any revolution, three things are needed: money, money, and again money. And they were in the hands of Parvus. But, dialectics, - after the revolution, Pavrus became not only unnecessary for Trotsky and Lenin, but also dangerous. By the way, the article does not contain information on how the money received from the plunder of Russia was removed from the country by the leaders of the Bolsheviks through Parvus. And then he stupidly threw them at the grandmother. In general, the laws of history cannot be repealed - after any revolution, a bloody squabble begins for power and money. It remains only to say thank you comrade Stalin, for stopping all this gop company of Trotsky and others like him.
    1. +1
      19 September 2017 12: 38
      "That's where the real money comes from" ///

      There are no big puzzles. Parvus became rich in Turkey. He was
      commercial intermediary between Turkish and German companies.
      Twisted industrial imports from Germany. Received large commissions.
      And invested them "in the revolution." Trotsky never had a lot of money.
      And in America, contrary to all the rumors, he received nothing but royalties
      for your articles. But to expel him from the States, as a revolutionary and troublemaker, of course,
      have tried.
    2. +2
      19 September 2017 14: 45
      Quote: Zloy
      But, dialectics, - after the revolution, Pavrus became not only unnecessary for Trotsky and Lenin, but also dangerous. By the way, the article does not contain information on how the money received from the plunder of Russia was removed from the country by the leaders of the Bolsheviks through Parvus. And then he stupidly threw them at the grandmother. In general, the laws of history cannot be repealed - after any revolution, a bloody squabble begins for power and money. It remains only to say thank you comrade Stalin, for stopping all this gop company of Trotsky and others like him.

      Find at least one mention of Stalin in a negative to Lenin. You repeat the myths launched by Trotsky himself that he supposedly is the only and real heir to Lenin, and this is a lie.
      And you should not tear Stalin from Lenin, repeating in a new way the Yakovlevsky agitprop.
      1. +1
        19 September 2017 17: 47
        And here, apparently, we need to give an example of the coordination of Lenin's actions with the Germans.

        Telegram of Lenin to Shaumyan.

        "Ioffe is reporting from Berlin ... The Germans agree to stop the Turks from attacking Baku if we guarantee that the British will not enter."
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          19 September 2017 18: 38
          Yes Yes...
          I also made peace in Brest, which Trotsky resisted! This is an even brighter example!
          But seriously, why mix one with the other?
  23. 0
    20 September 2017 10: 28
    Parvus himself is exactly like one actor (plays supporting characters)
    Paul Giamatti

    could play .....
  24. 0
    April 23 2022 00: 42
    Quite an entertaining article - from the point of view of replicating scandals, intrigues and ... logical errors. I couldn't help but pass by the phrase "For Lenin, as an internationalist revolutionary, it was quite acceptable to cooperate with the German Empire ..." - it's easy to cast it in gold and put it in a museum of memes. The revolutionary-internationalist in the fairy-tale world of the author collaborates with the tops of the monarchies. Monarchy, Karl! Well, according to the newspaper "Life", what level of immersion in historical science must be possessed in order to come up with such a thing? And did you read about the financing scheme "Lenin-Ganetsky-Parvus-..." from Pereverzev? Well, then infa 100%, do not go to a fortuneteller.