Iran: the road to war - or "last chance"?

If Iran declares that its atomic program is aimed at exclusively peaceful purposes - so that there is a current in the sockets - then Israel and the Western countries have an opinion on this matter, which even American intelligence, who reported recently that the work on creating nuclear weapons Tehran stopped in 2003 year.




At the end of February, 2012, according to a report of as many as sixteen (!) American intelligence services, it became clear to the general public that “Iran does not develop nuclear weapons,” The Los Angeles Times writes. According to the newspaper, the intelligence officers came to the conclusion that such studies were discontinued back in 2003 year. ” However, this document also “says that Tehran intends to achieve a level of knowledge that will allow it to create a bomb if necessary. The compilers of the report also note that Israel fully agrees with its main points and conclusions ”(source of both quotes: http://lenta.ru/news/2012/02/24/theyareright/).

The background to the “pre-nuclear crisis” is as follows. Iran has been developing nuclear technology for a long time - since the 80s of the last century, but before it did so quietly, it pretty surprised the experts from the IAEA who came to 2003 in the year to conclude that the Iranians skillfully concealed their nuclear program for eighteen years. Iran announced it was stopping nuclear work, but changed its mind - so much so that in 2006, Tehran announced the continuation of its own nuclear program. To the stubborn Tehran, the UN Security Council responded: in December, 2006 imposed economic sanctions on Iran, including the ban on the supply of technology to Iran that would promote the development of a nuclear missile program. But Tehran is not so easy to scare. In the spring of 2007, as if to everyone in spite, Iran has already declared about industrial enrichment of uranium. Since then, the media began to appear on the military operation, planned against Iran by Israel, together with the United States. But in 2010, Iran officially announced the production of seventeen kilograms of highly enriched uranium, and in January of 2011, the full cycle of nuclear fuel production (for more details see: http://lenta.ru/story/iran/).

In November, the IAEA issued a report to 2011 in which it was suggested that Iran is developing nuclear weapons. But - only an assumption.

15 February 2012 was a Iranian-made uranium fuel rods loaded into a research reactor in Tehran. The rods were made of uranium enriched to 20%. On the same day, a line of centrifuges for uranium enrichment was opened in Natanz.

Nine days before these events, Barack Obama ordered the blocking of Iranian financial assets in the United States, and earlier EU countries imposed economic sanctions against Iran. The US tried to complicate the work of Iranian banks, and the EU - to impede Iran’s trade in oil and oil products. Iran, in response, threatened to block the Strait of Hormuz, which transports approximately 1 / 5 of all oil in the world. In addition, Iran, despite the fact that it had to look for new markets for its oil, threatened to freeze oil supplies to Europe - and began with the UK and France.

Quote from the articles by V. Sazhin ("Voice of Russia"):

“Iran produces about 4 million barrels of oil per day, of which about 2 million is exported. The share of Europe, according to various sources, is approximately 500 thousand barrels, that is, 20-25% of all exported oil. At 2011, Iran planned for the first time to receive about 100 billion dollars from oil exports. By the roughest estimates, Iran could lose from an oil embargo from 15 to 20 billion dollars a year.

For the Iranian economy, which is in a difficult condition even without an oil embargo, such a loss would certainly not be catastrophic, but still sensitive. Iranian currency - rial - is falling. A few years ago, one US dollar cost 9700 rials. In November, 2011 is near 11000 rials. And just after the announcement of the possibility of introducing an oil embargo by the EU, the rial rate fell by more than 70% - one dollar equates to 17000 rials. Over the past few months, prices for basic foodstuffs in Iran have increased by 40%. ”

It is not difficult to imagine what awaits the economy of Iran, when EU oil sanctions are introduced and they are joined, perhaps partly by Japan, South Korea and China. The consequence of this will be the inevitable decline in the standard of living of the population, which may well lead to an increase in discontent and intensification of protest activity. ”

22 February The 2012 of the IAEA inspectors, whom Tehran was officially waiting to visit, were not allowed into the Parchin military complex (30 km from Tehran). Earlier, at the end of January, the inspectors were not allowed there either. Experts visited Parchin earlier, in 2005, but they found nothing “criminal” there.

Next история it was developing against the backdrop of frequent statements by Israel and the United States about the operation against Iran - and, along with this, about possible retaliatory strikes by Iran. The line of economic sanctions harmoniously intertwined with the political plot.

15 March in the media there was information about the latest financial sanctions against Iran: about disconnecting Iranian banks from the SWIFT system - the Community of Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunications. From March 16 "Iran will not be able to receive money for the oil sold, and will not be able to transfer funds for the purchase of goods and services abroad" ("Our cafe"). The executive director of SWIFT said: “Turning off banks is an extraordinary and unprecedented step for SWIFT. It is a direct result of international measures to strengthen financial sanctions against Iran "("News" with reference to the Associated Press). On the portal ISRAland believe that this "means in fact the global isolation of the economy of the Islamic Republic." Русская служба BBC reports: “This step will affect Iranians living abroad, as they will no longer be able to transfer money to their homeland. The Iranian companies operating abroad will also be in jeopardy. ”

The economic outcome of a global scale: “... on the London Exchange in the evening of the 16, the price of a barrel of Brent crude oil rose by 2,5% to the dollar 125,7. On the Wall Street exchange, the price of a barrel of Texas oil has increased by 1,8% - to 107,09 dollars ”(ISRAland). (According to RBC data: the price of Brent oil at 16.03.2012 was 125,81 $ per barrel. For comparison: exactly a month ago a barrel of this oil was worth 119,58 $).

Local Economic Outcome: As the newspaper reported 15 March Chicago Tribune (authors of the article: Jonathan Saul and Michael Hogan, Reuters), Iran buys wheat at a frantic pace, and the vessels are queuing up to unload 396832 tons of grain. As the authors write, "Tehran manages to stock up on food to mitigate the influence of tough Western sanctions." The article points out a curious fact: “To weaken the impact of sanctions, Iran even began to buy wheat from its enemy, the United States.” Also, the authors report: "In most years, Iran is close to self-sufficiency in wheat, but needs to be imported with insufficient harvest, and this is what is expected this year."

Against this background, by the way, Saudi Arabia’s market prosperity is noted: Matthew Robinson and Jonathan Saul (“Reuters”) write about this Chicago Tribune from 16 March. Saudi Arabia, as reported by journalists, is participating in the “price race” and is expanding US oil sales. Kingdom shipments "rose 25 percent to the highest level since the middle of the 2008 year, according to preliminary data from the US government ..." Thus, Saudi Arabia is trying to compensate for the volume of oil that the world market will lose due to the application of sanctions against Iran.

The political outcome - "last chance" - described Kommersant (article by V. Solovyov):

“Speaking about the likelihood of a strike by Israel and the United States on Iran, diplomats, including Russian, now instead of the indefinite“ if ”use a specific“ when. ” “The invasion will happen before the end of the year,” a senior Russian Foreign Ministry official told Kommersant on the eve of a meeting of the UN Security Council. - Israelis, in fact, are blackmailing Obama. They put him in an interesting position: either he will support the war, or he himself will lose support (of the influential Jewish lobby. - “Kommersant”) ”.

After the Security Council meeting, the diplomat narrowed the time frame. According to him, in April there will be a meeting of representatives of Iran and the six mediators to resolve the Iranian nuclear issue (Russia, Great Britain, Germany, China, the USA and France), and the Americans insist that this is the last chance for Tehran. This is the position, said the source "b", in negotiations with Sergei Lavrov, designated Hillary Clinton. At the same time, she asked her Russian counterpart to convey this idea to the Iranian authorities, with whom Washington itself does not maintain relations. ”

By the way, Barack Obama at a joint press conference with British Prime Minister David Cameron in the White House said: “We will do everything possible to resolve the issue by diplomatic means, but in the end we need someone on the other side of the table, I took it all seriously, and I hope the Iranian regime understands this ”(Русская служба BBC).

Representative of the US State Department for Iran Alan Eyre, participating in the State Department’s online session, said: “So far, Iran has argued that its nuclear program is peaceful, but if so, why does Iran not cooperate with the IAEA? The sanctions target is the Iranian government, but Iranian citizens are also feeling their influence. We have no other choice ”("Messenger of the Caucasus").

Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister Danny Ayalon 17 of March said: “With the worst case scenario, Iran could use nuclear weapons” (Interfax). (With a reservation: in the case of access to the latter).

A day earlier, 16 March, Interfax conveyed from Tehran that "Iran is ready to let in the country international observers who will work in the country on a permanent basis, in exchange for the cooperation of Western states in the development of Tehran’s peaceful nuclear program." As the news agency reported, Mohammad Javad Larijani, foreign affairs advisor to the supreme leader of the Islamic Republic, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, told 16 in March. Quote: “The adviser to the Ayatollah noted that Iran hopes for cooperation with Western states and that they will sell uranium enriched up to 20% to Tehran”. However, a similar story has already taken place: “Iran was twice offered to enrich uranium abroad, but for a long time the authorities did not agree to this. Finally, in May 2010, Iran agreed to export low-enriched uranium for further enrichment in Brazil and Turkey. However, the Iranian authorities demanded that foreign specialists process uranium faster than possible ”(Lenta.ru report).

Israeli News from 17 March 2012 on the subject of new Iranian concessions write the following:

“Larijani did not promise to abandon his own uranium enrichment program, but offered the West to sell uranium enriched up to 20% to Iran for nuclear reactors. As Arutz Sheva notes, this proposal makes sense only in the context of stopping the Iranian nuclear centrifuges - in case of termination of uranium enrichment on its territory, Iran will need to import fuel for nuclear power plants.

The tightening of economic sanctions hurts Iran, and recent polls indicate a decline in the popularity of nuclear research among the Iranian population, notes Atlantic. If in the 2010 year, 87% of the interviewed Iranians supported the development of peaceful nuclear research, then in February, 2011 of the year only 57% of the country's inhabitants declared their support for the domestic “peaceful atom”.

According to the newspaper "Sight", the citizens of America changed their attitude towards the beginning of the war with Iran: "According to polls, more than half of Americans are ready to support aggression against the Islamic state, and most of them would prefer that the Israelis deal a blow on Iran."

However, not everything is so clear about American polls: “Most Americans do not support a possible force scenario against Iran, believing that the United States should be neutral and continue diplomatic pressure, according to a poll released by the independent organization World Opinion and the University of Maryland . ... 69% of respondents believe that the United States, along with its allies, should continue diplomatic pressure on Tehran, so that it abandons its nuclear programs. Even among the supporters of the Republican Party, the majority - 58% - opposes US participation in military conflict. In the event that Israel attacks Iran’s nuclear facilities, 49% believe that the United States should be neutral, while 25% are confident that Washington should in this case provide military assistance to Tel Aviv ”(Kommersant).

In M. Zavadskaya’s article “Iran considers itself stronger than all”, published on March 16 on 2012. "Arutz Sheva" (israel7.ru) quoted the words of the spokesman for President Ali Akbar Javanfekr, said last during a speech in the Lebanese Maran al-Rasa: “The Zionist regime is too weak to carry out its military threats against the Islamic Republic. Iran is not afraid of any enemies, including the occupying forces of the Zionist regime. " “... the consequences of any attack against Iran will not be limited to a blow to the Zionist regime. Washington officials are well aware that the United States and its allies will feel the brunt of Iran’s wrath. ”

A short quote from the newspaper "Sight": “Iran will respond in full force if Israel decides to attack Iran’s nuclear facilities, this will mean the end of Israel, Iranian Foreign Minister Ali Akbar Salehi said in an interview with the Danish TV channel TV2 on Thursday.”

Larijani, mentioned above, when giving an interview to CNN, “stressed that in the event of an Israeli or US attack on Iranian nuclear facilities, the country's armed forces would be able to respond to the offenders.” “All opportunities are open to us,” explained Khamenei’s advisor. (Source: "Our cafe").

In addition, on the eve of March 15, “Foreign Minister of the Islamic Republic of Iran Ali Akbar Salehi said that Iran will continue to finance the Palestinian movement Hamas. In the framework of the meeting in Tehran with the representative of the leadership of the Palestinian movement, Mahmoud Al-Zahar, who is responsible for organizing external relations, the head of the foreign ministry of the republic made his promise (”Federal Press). This is, of course, the very support of the Palestinians, which Israel does not like.

In the appendage more quote from Red Star (The author of the article is A. Orlovich): “... the president of this country, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, has repeatedly stated that“ Iran has very serious military capabilities, which differ from those of other countries in the region. Iran will respond to any aggressor, including the United States, and they fear our potential. We will not allow any military action against ourselves. " The same determination is demonstrated by other official representatives of Iran. So, the other day, the Minister of Defense of the Islamic Republic, Ahmad Vahidi, stressed, commenting on the buildup of American military power in the Persian Gulf zone, that the country did not fully disclose its combat capabilities. “Iran has a lot of strength, which, as they say, is pribozheny on a rainy day,” he said. And he added that in the event of such a day, "the United States will face a completely new situation." (Orlovich’s article, by the way, provides a detailed description of the Iranian Armed Forces and describes the “asymmetric war” built on the principles of high motivation, high-quality training of military personnel, and the implementation of “retaliation” by suicide bombers. desalination complexes supplying freshwater 90 to the percent of the population of the Persian Gulf water area. As a result, the region will die of thirst. What no one in the capitals of monarchies doubts. ”So ends article A. Orlovich).

In general, Iran seems to hint: do not iron the kitten against the fur - it will release the claws.

On the subject of a possible military confrontation between Iran and Israel, various television jokes have already appeared about how the two conflicting parties behave. About this tells a note in the newspaper Washington Post from 17 March (with reference to the "Associated Press"). An example of one such joke: "... Israel will not deliver an air strike, because the prices of fighter fuel are too high." Under the jokes, as it is noticed, quite real fears lurk. This post is about the “Last Day” video clip recently posted on YouTube. This "five-minute clip, which scored hundreds of thousands of hits on YouTube, is a realistic film about the end of the world, showing the day after the Israeli strike on Iranian nuclear facilities."

The aggravation of relations between Iran and Israel, which reached military threats, was probably promoted by memorable harsh statements by the Iranian president, which are still in the press to this day. Quote from Jewish newspaper for December 2005 of the year (author of the article is K. Zubkov):

“As the leader of the Iranian Islamic Revolution, Ayatollah Khomeini, said, Israel needs to be erased from the world map. God wants that. And with God's help, we will soon see a world in which there will be no United States and Zionism! Anyone who recognizes Israel will burn in the fire of Islamic wrath. ” This emotional speech was delivered by Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad at the opening of the scientific conference “A World Without Zionism”, held within the walls of the Iranian Ministry of Internal Affairs. The Islamic Republican News Agency (the only media in Iran that is allowed to quote senior executives) claims that the president’s words were widely accepted among Tehran students and scholars. ” Iranian ambassadors in European countries attempted to soften the meaning of the words of their president by emphasizing the political engagement of interpretations, but “all the efforts of Iranian and Russian diplomats to smooth out the effect of Ahmadinejad’s speeches were crossed out by him. Speaking at a rally on the occasion of the “Day of Solidarity with the People of Palestine,” the Iranian president said: “I said what I wanted to say. My words are the words of the entire Iranian people. In the West, they can comment on my words as they please, but their reaction means nothing. ” Immediately after this, the ambassadors of Iran to the United Kingdom, France and Germany, who could not really communicate with the heads of the European foreign affairs agencies, were removed from their posts and recalled to their homeland ”(the same source, http://www.evreyskaya.de/archive/artikel_139.html).

Now, after the launch of the SWIFT sanctions, Larijani, an adviser to the Ayatollah, "assured that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said that" Israel will be erased from the map "," of course, there was no military sense ", " (a source: Israeli News from 17 March).

Obviously, Larijani is not afraid of dismissal.

Observed and translated by Oleg Chuvakin
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  1. esaul 19 March 2012 07: 54 New
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    Thanks to Oleg for the painstaking and thoughtful work. And according to the article - we need to remember a joke - “Have you ordered a fight? -“ No! ”-“ Niipet! Paid - it means it will be! "So here - it didn’t work out, we will prepare for a long siege. For the states, refusing to break the rebellious Iran is tantamount to political death. Therefore, if the revanchist, paranoid and schizophrenic sentiments in Congress get the upper hand, then the war - to be. The only thing that can serve as a consolation is that the parties will try to avoid the use of WMD.
    1. Igarr 19 March 2012 08: 04 New
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      Yesterday I stumble upon the ultimatum that Hillary passed to Iran through Russia ... or disarm (lie under us) -in April ... or war.
      Where so how serious it is ..
      Iranians - do not be fools will not let anyone rummaging around at the last object, they will not be disarmed either. So who pulled them for the language, with threats to Israel?
      So, I do not see the focus on the world, I do not see.
      It turns out that in April there is a war. As we expected in January, we were gossiping.
      Sad of course.
      ".. The only thing that can serve as a consolation is that the parties will try to avoid the use of WMD." - exactly.
      1. Tersky 19 March 2012 08: 29 New
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        And on directivity to the world, it was not originally, just the USA gradually heated up the Iranian crutch using Israel. As esaul correctly noted that the refusal of the war in Iran by the states is tantamount to their political death, the reason is simple - the USA eats up the leftovers, the financial bubble is about to burst.
      2. 755962
        755962 19 March 2012 12: 23 New
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        Quote: Igarr
        Yesterday I stumble upon the ultimatum that Hillary passed to Iran through Russia

        I’ve stumbled upon this. US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton did not ask Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov to give a warning to Tehran on the nuclear issue, said State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland on Thursday, refuting the relevant media reports. “The Secretary of State did not send warnings to Iranians through Foreign Minister Lavrov, ”said a spokeswoman for the State Department.
        "During their conversation about Iran, the main attention was paid to the issue that the upcoming talks would bring significant results, so that the Iranians would not use them to delay the solution of their nuclear problem and cover up their activities."

        When reporters asked if Clinton used the word "last" in a conversation with a Russian colleague on an Iranian topic, Nuland replied: "She did not use this adjective during the meeting."

        At the same time, a State Department spokeswoman said that "it’s time for Iranians to use the opportunity they have to prove the peaceful nature of their nuclear program." Nuland said that negotiations between the Six and Iran are planned this spring, but the exact date has not yet been determined, ITAR-TASS reports.
      3. VAF
        VAF 19 March 2012 13: 12 New
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        Quote: Igarr
        Where so how serious it is ..


        Well, it’s not very serious so far, because some “show off golems”, as our “current youth says”! tongue

        And if, in fact, until the problem with Syria is "resolved", neither the amers nor the Jews will poke into Iran, but Syria is a big problem, because Dama herself says that "..... we, that is, Russia and China, have armed Syria with the most advanced air defense systems and we (the USA) will have very big problems ..."
        But Ameri does not yet know how to solve this problem with Syria, they only offer various options and make assumptions, but there will certainly not be anything before the new elections in November. Obama wants a second term, and if the database starts earlier and something goes wrong, then ....!
        Therefore, there is a pause before the end of the year!
        And by this time, I really hope Assad will "finish off" his "oranges" and conclude an agreement on cooperation and military support with Iran, then amers and their henchmen will definitely be "big wow!" !!!
        Therefore, most likely, cards with scenarios of any economic sanctions for Syria and Iran will be played out, but I liked the position of China - we will buy oil, and if it is impossible to pay through banks, we will pay in kind in gold !!!
        So regret and console in my opinion very early ?! " yes
      4. Town Guard
        Town Guard 19 March 2012 18: 52 New
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        Quote: Igarr
        So who pulled them for the language, with threats to Israel?

        It is believed that this is a provocation, similar to how the Russian representative to the UN at Churkin was credited with alleged threats coming from him to Qatar. and then when it’s boring, they will recall that “aggressive Russia” threatened the “unfortunate peaceful Qatar” - recalling the story, I recall that Napoleon, before going to Russia, got out of the dirtiest places - you won’t name it another way - a fake called “the testament of Peter the Great "justifying his expansion allegedly by Peter’s program not to stop in the Baltic and move on to Europe .... There are rumors that Ahmadinejad’s statement was not given, they simply attributed these words to him, and now they use him to attack Iran.
      5. Lord of the Sith 20 March 2012 01: 33 New
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        But by the way, the news, I ask the modders to put on the main

        http://lenta.ru/news/2012/03/19/goeast/ то о чем говорили с осени, американцы обнаружили, что вс едно пролива обложенно минами в количестве 1200 штук мины-ракеты советского производства,
    2. domokl 19 March 2012 08: 33 New
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      The war in April will not work in the USA .. It's hot laughing But Western technology is afraid of heat almost as much as frost ... What we see now is the continuation of the great bluff ... drop all political components ... and what remains? No matter how little Iranian oil is received, west and east, but you can’t live without it .. There will be losses in the economy that Mama don’t cry ... And sworn friends will benefit from this .. and Russia, including ...
      The war? And who will pay for the global war during the crisis? After all, the absence of American or European paper in the public sartir will provoke demonstrations that can sweep away governments ... We somehow forgot about the crisis ... But it didn’t end .. it just stopped, but the smoking room is alive ... laughing
      So all these shocks of Moshny are nothing more than a big scarecrow ... Yusiya lost the status of the world Cerberus ...
      1. Goga
        Goga 19 March 2012 08: 43 New
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        Perhaps the Americans are going to get away from the crisis this way - war, a state of emergency, dollars can be stamped to a noise without congressional demand, etc. ....
      2. esaul 19 March 2012 09: 11 New
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        Quote: domokl
        The war in April will not work in the USA .. It's hot

        Sasha, and confirmation of this emerges from all the fuss around Iran. And the Americans are well aware that if they start in a month, then all this venture will have to be postponed for the winter of 2012. Well, if by then Iran is strong enough, and in the states the crisis will dissolve, then with the dream of blitz krieg generally have to say goodbye.
        1. domokl 19 March 2012 09: 30 New
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          mmmm ... Okay .. motivate my position ...
          1.Abama is now preparing for the elections and he has a protracted war (and there’s no need to talk about fast and victorious in Iran) ... The elections will start and lose ..
          2. Congress is now discussing the budget for next year .. The Pentagon is getting a lot of money ...
          3. U.S. military operations in the Asian region have come to a dead end, to put it mildly ... We need to pull troops out of Afghanistan, Iraq .. So this problem is a priority ...
          4: U.S. diplomacy suffers one defeat after another and can no longer count on UN support ...
          5. Countries that did not even take into account earlier began to show their teeth (Lebanon for example or Turkey)
          6. For all the power of the American army, Iran is not Iraq ... The losses will be very significant, not comparable in any way with the results of the victory ...
          There are a few more reasons .. But the main thing is that no one needs a victory now .. The Americans intend to block Iran, deprive it of the proceeds from the sale of oil, create real opposition (and in the worsening conditions of a life, this is quite feasible), lower the country into chaos civil war and only then, take the ruins with your bare hands ...
          1. Igarr 19 March 2012 09: 47 New
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            Alexander..
            a little earlier there was a layout about Obama .. how the Israeli lobby twists his arms - or start or not see you the Oval Office, if only the oval vignette.
            Later - it makes no sense to start, only one option is to fuck so that Iran can be ruined in time for the elections.
            But can they?
            For some reason, I see some kind of setup for this Barack. Start-start-start .... it seems like Hitler told someone there - ".. I, count, have no choice."
            That's right - this war of the USA is not needed, and no one supports this war except for the Saudis and Kuwait.
            And they’ll make them fight.
            Paradox .... the earth is round, but around every corner ..... you can’t fight, but it’s very necessary.
            I say, the cowboys are unfinished.
          2. Ascetic 19 March 2012 10: 23 New
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            Quote: domokl
            1.Abama is now preparing for the elections and he has a protracted war (and there’s no need to talk about fast and victorious in Iran) ... The elections will start and lose ..


            Imagine a sketch in the White House.
            "If Iran closes the Strait of Hormuz, a barrel of oil will cost more than $ 200," the generals explain to Obama.
            Obama whispers to David Axelrod, who oversees the campaign: "How am I doing in Florida?" “Sucks,” whispers Axelrod. “Good, General, prepare anti-bunker bombs.” Moreover, according to the latest data voiced in the Vesti Nedeli program, more than 50% of American voters for the war with Iran .. moreover, the war is beneficial to Rockefeller bankers who are in the anus after dubious dollar pyramids. They need control over the main oil countries to get out of this anus into which they drove themselves. And the Sons of Zion will be entrusted with starting the war from the "promised land as the most" affected "by the ayatollah’s policies with the hysteria of a non-commissioned widow who is ready to carve themselves out to escape Iran’s alleged nuclear threat
            1. Ascetic 19 March 2012 10: 57 New
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              Why does Israel continue to behave like a robbery state and deliberately ignore international law, trying to force the international community to allow it to continue to behave in the region, as it pleases? Part of the answer is inaction, or rather, even the traditional indulgence of the United States: it enjoys serious support in Washington, and the American veto blocks any attempt to adopt a condemning UN resolution. Another reason is the tacit patronage of a large number of European countries that want to appease the local Jewish community in this way.
              The state becomes robbery only when the international community allows it. To understand this, you just need to open the history textbook and recall the situation shortly before the Second World War. Each time when a robbery begins aggression against another country or nation, it finds thousands of pretexts and those who are ready to support its claims.
          3. older 19 March 2012 11: 01 New
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            laughing Excuse me, gentlemen, generals ... Here the question came from the commander of the American Navy ... Can an aircraft carrier in the strait withstand several squalls launched from boats? And who except small-sitting corvettes can fight Iranian corvettes? It turns out that there’s nothing to fight ... And right away a question from the aviation commander ... Will the coalition forces really be able to suppress Iran’s air defense so that they can really be sure of the return of their aircraft? lol
            1. Ascetic 19 March 2012 11: 28 New
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              Usually in such cases a strike-combination “two” is planned as in boxing. The first distracting air strike that Israel will take upon itself the entire Iranian air defense is to suppress it as much as possible, and all that remains will be to finish off the "big brother" with tomahawks and planes from their bases and AUG. there won't be such a “double” blow, because by all estimates, amers and Israel simply do not have enough forces and means, given the projected losses from Iranian air defense
              1. FROST
                FROST 19 March 2012 12: 51 New
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                Not enough strength given the projected losses? And what are your predicted losses?

                Here are the Iranian air defense data

                29 launchers "Tor-M1" (17 "Tor-M1" on a tracked base and 12 in the towed version of "Tor-M1T"; also delivered 1,200 9M331 missiles to them);
                12-15 (16 according to IISS) divisions - 150 PU air defense systems “Hawk” / “Advanced Hawk”;
                8-10 divisions - 45 PU air defense systems HQ-2J (Chinese version of the Soviet air defense system S-75 - SA-2 Gudeline);
                2-3 (10 according to IISS) PU SAM S-200 (SA-5 Gammon);
                5 batteries - 30 missile launchers "Rapira";
                15 PU TIRKATET;
                several air defense systems "Square" (SA-6 Gainful, according to JCSS + negotiations on the purchase of additional);
                several SAMs FM-80 (according to IISS; Chinese version of the French "Crotal").

                Man-portable air defense systems
                Up to 1000 MANPADS - as part of the ground forces, including:
                200 Arrow-3 (SA-14 Gremlin);
                250 "Arrow-2М" (SA-7В Grail);
                190 HN-5A (Chinese version of "Arrow-2");
                100 “Needle-1” (SA-16 Gimlet);
                50 "Stinger" (at the IRGC);
                50 RBS-70.

                Flak
                Over 1000 (1700 according to IISS, including ZPU) anti-aircraft artillery guns - as part of both the Air Force and the ground forces, including:
                14.5mm ZPU-2/4;
                75 23mm ZSU-23-4 "Shilka";
                258 23mm ZU-23-2 (500 according to JCSS);
                24 35mm Skyguard (JCSS 100, including 24 in service);
                250 37mm M1939 (as well as Chinese Type-55; removed from service by JCSS);
                50 40mm Bofors L-70 (95 according to JCSS);
                20 40mm M1 (according to JCSS);
                80 57mm ZSU-57-2 (100 according to JCSS);
                190 57mm S-60 (50 according to JCSS).

                TOR complexes are more suitable for defense against cruise missiles and for covering complexes of greater range from PRR. Without reliable and modern complexes of medium and long range, which Iran does not have, it can not withstand aviation, because can be destroyed even by conventional cluster bombs from a height of 7-8 km.
                Iraq’s air defense in 1991 had thousands of launchers of medium-range missiles comprising 38 S-75 air defense systems, 50 S-125 air defense systems, 36 Kvadrat air defense systems, and additionally armed with 18 Krotal air defense systems and 40 Roland-2 air defense systems French production, 23 Osa-M air defense systems, 1235 Strela-1M, 2M air defense systems, Strela-10 air defense systems, 302 Igla-1 air defense systems and 994 anti-aircraft guns of 23 mm, 37 mm, 57 mm caliber, 85 and 100 mm, ZSU-23-4 and ZSU-57-2 of Soviet production. Parts of the air defense were equipped with French TOMSON radars, as well as various types of Soviet radars. Those. Iraq’s air defense, with an approximately equal qualitative component, was superior in quantitative component to medium-range systems (which bear the main role in the fight against enemy aircraft) the current Iranian air defense several times.
                Since then, Israel and the United States have had 20 years to develop aviation, aviation weapons, cruise missiles, electronic warfare systems, UAVs, and space and other reconnaissance systems.
                Conclusion - the expectation of high losses for US and Israeli aviation is not justified.
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                  Uralm 20 March 2012 03: 06 New
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                  Judging by the war with Iraq. The main losses of coalition aviation from MANPADS. 1000 pcs available, not enough. And only Tor-M1 is worth something. The rest is ...
                  Another weapon should be in good hands. And if the Iraqis are being sold for a penny. so the topic of conversation is not worth it.
                  I want to remind you that this is not Afghans. These are still those talkers, and the warrior among them is usually small
              2. VAF
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                Usually in such cases a strike-combination “two” is planned as in boxing.


                In this case, it is not acceptable due to:
                1. The remoteness of the territory of Iran and as a result of the impact objects.
                2. If Israel, as you say, "takes over" the entire Iranian air defense, then it will be left without aviation at all, and in response it can "get" hit by missiles all over Israel!

                In the photo: Map with the location of Iranian AB, naval base and nuclear program facilities.
                1 Red indicates the coverage area of ​​the AUG carrier-based aircraft and the Israeli Air Force (without refueling in the air).
                2.Zheltomy - the area of ​​effect of the Tomahawk missiles.

                As you can see on the map, while the amers and the Jews can’t get anywhere anywhere !!! recourse
                1. FROST
                  FROST 19 March 2012 18: 18 New
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                  The remoteness of the territory of Iran and as a result of the impact objects.
                  2. If Israel, as you say, "takes over" the entire Iranian air defense, then it will be left without aviation at all, and in response it can "get" hit by missiles all over Israel!


                  Only you have forgotten that the Israeli and American air forces will be able to calmly use the air force bases in Iraq controlled. Secondly, you’re a former pilot, do you really think that an outdated Iranian air defense can destroy the Israeli Air Force? With their modern aircraft, UAVs and latest electronic warfare systems? This is more like similar statements about the collapse of American air forces before Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya ... Of course, it is desirable, but judged objectively, it has no foundation. You need to take a sober look at things.
                  1. Lord of the Sith 19 March 2012 22: 26 New
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                    If it were as easy as in the description, then Israel and the United States have long dealt a blow, maybe even several years ago.

                    Iranian Air Force - 9 fighter-assault squadrons (up to 186 aircraft), 7 fighter (70-74 aircraft), one reconnaissance (up to 8 aircraft), as well as transport and auxiliary aviation. Geographically, the Air Force is divided into 3 districts: North (Babolser), Central (Hamadan) and South (Bushehr). The command is located in Tehran. The basis of the Iranian Air Force’s striking power is made up of MiG-29 fighters (25 aircraft), F-4 (65), F-5 (over 60 aircraft), F-14 (out of the 60 available, 25 are suitable), as well as Su-24 front-line bombers ( 30 aircraft). Successful work is underway on its own Azarashsh aircraft.
                    The armed forces of Iran are:
                    about 400 combat aircraft
                    100 transport aircraft
                    over 600 helicopters.
                    over 3050 air defense systems (2K12 Cube, about 10 S-200 Vega, about 29 Tor-M1, 3SU-23-2 Yenisei, etc.)
                    1. FROST
                      FROST 19 March 2012 23: 13 New
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                      The development of the situation is more limited by political motives, rather than fear of the power of the Iranian armed forces. If Jews and Americans are puzzling over how to guarantee the destruction of fortified nuclear centers underground by air strikes and absolutely do not want to climb into Iran on the ground, then what are the benefits of this war? One air operation, which they so want to confine, will not fill American tankers with oil, will lead to nothing but an increase in oil prices. Plus, the costs of the military campaign itself will be large. And the Iranian Air Force and Air Defense are no stronger than those destroyed in Iraq. But the Americans and Jews, over the past 20 years, have significantly raised the combat potential of their forces, developed new tactics, gained invaluable combat experience and brought intelligence capabilities to a new level. No hatred. It was the underestimation of the Wehrmacht forces at one time that made us pay for it with the blood of our soldiers.
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                    Here I advise you to look at the videos
                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1esK8KDatw

                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iu7EzBG8CwU&feature=fvwrel
          4. Paratov
            Paratov 19 March 2012 18: 54 New
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            Do they need Obama for a second term?
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              Churchill 19 March 2012 22: 51 New
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              In America, Obama like Pedro in Brazil!
    3. Roman Shukhevych
      Roman Shukhevych 19 March 2012 12: 52 New
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      "Therefore, if revanchist, paranoid and schizophrenic sentiments in Congress get the upper hand" - I propose that the entire Congress in its entirety be sent to the Soviet psychiatric hospital .. they will be quickly "healed" lol the whole world is kind of "sick", Russia alone is an island of mental health and peace of mind ... already we envy you laughing Here are the young people! and one more oddity: contrary to the "general" line of the world conspiracy of world massonism against Iran - as many as 16 American intelligence agencies allegedly refute information about Iran’s nuclear "Wishlist" ... is it strange somehow ... intelligence agencies got out of control? or is it already a conspiracy of American shtirlits against the world "backstage"? laughing moreover, the American Press, which is known to be "dependent" on Washington, has given out information about this to the whole world ... incredible things! Apparently, Iran has turned everyone over and will soon show the whole civilized world "Kuz'kin's mother" .. But what do the Russian special services think about Iran’s problems? their atoms are somehow not visible on this topic .. hid in the bushes
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      By the way, here is a good video about air defense

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75M4Xi2yGXA&feature=related
  2. Goga
    Goga 19 March 2012 08: 40 New
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    Until now, the Americans have not attacked the country without disarming it previously. So it was with Iraq - sanctions, checks only then a direct attack, so it was with Libya - Gaddafi refused to develop weapons Mas.Por. I tried to somehow cooperate with the "West" - the result is known. This option does not work with Iran - Interestingly, the Americans are so "pressed" that they decide to attack an unarmed country? Before that, this was not the case with them.
  3. ward 19 March 2012 09: 34 New
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    The logic is this ... Sit guys in the Stone Age ... Here Gaddafi refused nuclear weapons ... And where is Gaddafi now and where is Libya ...
  4. alexng 19 March 2012 09: 34 New
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    Yeah! It will not be sweet for the Anglo-Saxons, if they decide to go to Iran with their own charter, i.e. with a goat face. But Israel will “cry out” adventures on its butt and as if it had not had to pull out needles and spikes from this ass for several years.
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      Goga 19 March 2012 09: 59 New
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      If it remains to whom and from which to pull out ...
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    they have little time. it is difficult to strangle a country that managed to create missiles and tanks with sanctions. in addition, the states alone will not climb. in my opinion there will be a coalition - Turks and Azerbaijanis from the northwest, Amers and Arabs from the south and from Afghanistan. the goals of the war are the suppression of organized resistance of the army, the defeat of the air force and navy of Iran, the change of government, the destruction of infrastructure, the occupation of oil-producing areas. it will take a month or two to achieve these goals. Then they will introduce PMCs for dirty work. in this way, the states will get a respite of five years before tearing up the next - India and Pakistan.
  6. Cripple cross
    Cripple cross 19 March 2012 10: 40 New
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    Interesting article.
    At the time of the outbreak of the conflict, in the place of Iran, I would hit Israel with all military potential at once. And the dome will not help then. And it would hit hard, so that the historians with Jeroshima parallels carried out. Three Israel, the States shut up. With their own hands they will not fight in such a war.
    1. Jaguar
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      And he would hit hard so that the historians with Heroshima parallels would spend
      So Israel can draw such a parallel for historians. So it’s better not to hit it hard
  7. FROST
    FROST 19 March 2012 10: 58 New
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    It turns out interestingly. I don’t understand, is everything here for Iran to have nuclear weapons?
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      Cripple cross 19 March 2012 11: 04 New
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      It's all for that. So that the States and Israel do not destroy peoples as fascists Europe.
      1. FROST
        FROST 19 March 2012 12: 26 New
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        Iran violates the moratorium on the spread of nuclear weapons. It has long been agreed in the UN Security Council that this is unacceptable and all measures of economic and political influence should be taken with respect to such countries, as well as military intervention if the other measures do not have an effect. Russia also voted for it. At the same time, no one treacherously falls upon Iran with a sudden war. They are warned, threatened, stifled with sanctions so that they come to their senses. They know perfectly well what threatens them. But they do not abandon the nuclear program themselves. Then what are the Nazis in this conflict situation? Judging objectively, is Iran right? What will happen if it is released on the brakes? Then, what will the governments of any countries (with appropriate capabilities) stopping to create nuclear weapons if they know that there will be nothing for it? Can you imagine a world saturated with such a number of nuclear weapons under conditions if there are no constraining factors for its creation, when even the most radical Islamists will have warheads? Do you want to live in such a world?
        1. Cripple cross
          Cripple cross 19 March 2012 12: 36 New
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          But they do not abandon the nuclear program themselves.

          Iran violates the moratorium on the spread of nuclear weapons.

          They are warned, threatened, stifled with sanctions so that they come to their senses

          The points.
          They should not abandon the peaceful atomic nuclear program. This aspect is not covered by the UN ban.

          Iran does not violate any maroria on the proliferation of nuclear weapons because there are no such weapons yet. And the fact that they create it, even the states I can’t approve now. And Israel declares - There is no weapon yet, but Iran can theoretically create it, therefore we will fuck!
          So comrade Frost, let us put you in for pedophilia and carry out chemical castration - YOU DIDN'T DO IT !! But you can theoretically !?

          And they do not strangle them with sanctions not to come to their senses, but simply exhaust them and undermine their morale and economy in order to weaken them before the invasion.

          You probably jumped into this topic from the kandachka and were not interested in her before?
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            FROST 19 March 2012 13: 03 New
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            They should not abandon the peaceful atomic nuclear program. This aspect is not covered by the UN ban.

            Iran does not violate any maroria on the proliferation of nuclear weapons because there are no such weapons yet. And the fact that they create it, even the states I can’t approve now.


            1. Then why do they not allow experts to all nuclear facilities?
            2. Do you really think that a country with such a quantity of energy carriers, from the nuclear program, first of all needs energy?
            1. Cripple cross
              Cripple cross 19 March 2012 13: 45 New
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              Quote: FROST
              1. Then why do they not allow experts to all nuclear facilities?

              They admitted more than once. And at the moment, it’s also a trump card - Like, we can have nuclear weapons if Th .... a deterrent.
              You throw a claim to Israel, they have nuclear weapons and they do not hide it. But they did not sign any contracts.

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              2. Do you really think that a country with such a quantity of energy carriers, from the nuclear program, first of all needs energy?


              We have more energy carriers than any other country. However, in megacities, you do not get energy from a coal stove. And plants do not work on kerosene. And for scientific purposes we use.
              Why do you think that you have the right to decide whether to deprive people of their scientific potential that they collected in grains or not to deprive.
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                FROST 19 March 2012 14: 11 New
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                And at the moment, it’s also a trump card - Like, we can have nuclear weapons if Th .... a deterrent.


                Then what kind of peace program are we talking about?

                You throw a claim to Israel, they have nuclear weapons and they do not hide it. But they did not sign any contracts.


                Is there evidence of this?

                However, in megacities, you do not get energy from a coal stove.


                It can only be said so that of France. Our percentage of electricity generated by nuclear power plants is relatively low.

                Why do you think that you have the right to decide whether to deprive people of their scientific potential that they collected in grains or not to deprive.


                Because the use by Iranians of this potential will obviously pursue the goal of creating WMD. And this was decided not by me, but by the UN Security Council.
                1. Cripple cross
                  Cripple cross 19 March 2012 15: 09 New
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                  Quote: FROST
                  Is there evidence of this?

                  Read, the United States think so, but for some reason they are in no hurry to bring democracy there laughing
                  http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Стратегическая_ядерная_триада_Израиля


                  Quote: FROST
                  It can only be said so that of France. Our percentage of electricity generated by nuclear power plants is relatively low.

                  An absurd chatter .... What's the difference, we have a low percentage of use or high. We use both this fact and the point.


                  Quote: FROST
                  Because the use by Iranians of this potential will obviously pursue the goal of creating WMD. And this was decided not by me, but by the UN Security Council.

                  Let's break the discussion. It is interesting to discuss when a person makes any conclusions or justifications and does not say the UN Security Council decided so.
                  Think with your own head and not the UN Security Council. The UN Security Council and Libya decided.
                  If you are not completely lazy to at least take a superficial look at what is happening in Libya after the UN decision, you will see that there is chaos and civil war with great casualties. They brought chaos, the Americans put their military along the oil pipe and that’s all! They don’t need human rights there anymore and they wanted to spit on the civil war and on dead children and women.

                  Finish making people laugh. smile
                  1. FROST
                    FROST 19 March 2012 18: 06 New
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                    Read, the United States think so, but for some reason they are in no hurry to bring democracy there


                    I read many similar essays. But again, there is no confirmed data on this subject yet.

                    An absurd chatter .... What's the difference, we have a low percentage of use or high. We use both this fact and the point.


                    Only you forgot that Russia is a member of the nuclear club. Other countries are allowed into it at a stretch.

                    Let's break the discussion. It is interesting to discuss when a person makes any conclusions or justifications and does not say the UN Security Council decided so.
                    Think with your own head and not the UN Security Council. The UN Security Council and Libya decided.


                    Indeed, let's interrupt because this is demagogy. You think that Iran does not need to be stopped, but I believe that the appearance of unbalanced ayatollahs and radical Islamists with a nuclear baton in our region and their claims to the resources of the Caspian are not in Russia's interests. We just have different views on this issue. The Government of Russia, in the UN Security Council, is in solidarity with me. Russia can always veto any decision, but it did not.
                    Libya is a separate issue. I definitely consider the war there a crime.
                    1. Cripple cross
                      Cripple cross 20 March 2012 10: 24 New
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                      The Government of Russia, in the UN Security Council, is in solidarity with me.

                      AHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry !!!!! Well, I AM AT THE TABLE !!!! Rzhu without stopping !!! laughing
                      Oh! It’ll be bad for me. Not well if with YOU jointly and severally the Russian government in the UN Security Council !!!! laughing Then close the topic! YOU ARE AWESOME!!!!!! laughing
                      1. FROST
                        FROST 20 March 2012 11: 22 New
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                        AHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry !!!!! Well, I AM AT THE TABLE !!!! Rzhu without stopping !!!


                        What can I say. Laughter for no reason, a sign of your development)
                        The young man, I repeat, the Russian government has similar views on the Iranian issue, no one has canceled the resolution on sanctions against Iran. I agree that war is extremely undesirable. But, to prevent it, Iran needs to provide full assistance to the IAEA experts and allow a detailed inspection of all its facilities. If it will be a purely air operation which they so want to limit, what are the benefits of carrying it out? Behave as a schoolboy, no arguments except anti-American cries in the forums ... Although, what to argue with you, shkolota.
                      2. Cripple cross
                        Cripple cross 20 March 2012 14: 11 New
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                        Quote: FROST
                        What can I say. Laughter for no reason, a sign of your development) Young man

                        if you said a stupid phrase, then be able and laugh at yourself and not be offended as you put it in my address - like shkolota laughing
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                        Behave as a schoolboy, no arguments except anti-American cries in the forums ... Although, what to argue with you, shkolota.

                        Well, I’m watching you, besides these phrases, there’s nothing more to say.

                        Quote: FROST
                        I believe that the appearance of unbalanced ayatollahs and radical Islamists with a nuclear baton in our region and their claims to the resources of the Caspian are not in Russia's interests.


                        When was the last time you opened a card? Iran’s nuclear weapons certainly aren’t in any way threatened, this time. And what about the interests ..... but you see Russia's interests in the fact that the whole region will be subordinate to the United States and NATO? Iran is a buffer between us and NATO in this direction. States have always only been interested in oil and strategically important heights for military bases.
                        at least you change the flag here to Russian, otherwise you are trying to defend BIG "" interests "of Russia here.
                        You stupidly believe in the nuclear weapons that Israel and the United States speak about. You are not interested in geopolitics, it is evident in YOUR school curriculum this is not yet included and you are not interested in it due to your age. We heard about nuclear weapons (we even learned that the abbreviation means apparently from Wikipedia) and immediately decided to express their opinion. Yes, they backed it up with the fact that, according to you, our government is in the UN Security Council. laughing
                        Enter your name and change the flag to start! laughing
                      3. FROST
                        FROST 20 March 2012 15: 00 New
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                        Iran’s nuclear weapons certainly aren’t in any way threatened, this time. And what about the interests ..... but you see Russia's interests in the fact that the whole region will be subordinate to the United States and NATO? Iran is a buffer between us and NATO in this direction. States have always only been interested in oil and strategically important heights for military bases.


                        1. If the States and Israel are racking their brains on how to limit themselves to only air operations, purchase anti-bunker bombs, then turn on the brain and answer the question. How then will air control be established over Iranian resources and how then will Iran submit to NATO?
                        2. What makes you think that Iran’s nuclear weapons will not threaten the States if they don’t have means of intercontinental delivery. Can you imagine how many millions of containers annually come to the USA by sea? Can you imagine the dimensions of a tactical warhead? There is a high degree of risk that, with the allocation of appropriate forces and means, such a small device can be delivered to the United States unnoticed.
                        3. I do not believe what the United States and Israel say, I believe the facts. If everything is clean, why does Iran not allow IAEA experts at all its facilities?
                        4. Are you sure that radical Islamists with nuclear weapons, our friends?
                      4. Cripple cross
                        Cripple cross 20 March 2012 17: 22 New
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                        Are you sure that radical Islamists with nuclear weapons, our friends?

                        Well, this I did not say and did not mean. if you were more careful .... you would notice my phrase - Iran is a buffer between us and NATO in this direction. - And that says a lot in my opinion.
                        About containers ..... I remember there was such a topic probably a year ago in some news or something like that. That you picked up from there, as I understand it ... stupidity.
                        As for air control - Yes, just as it was over Libya, they will. Despite their promises not to send ground troops into Libya, the states have introduced their special forces, plus all the rebels are mercenaries bought by the states and Israel. There you have the control. the old regime is overthrown and the pro-American ruler is seated, and here is the control. Let's stop the topic.
                        From you, only heard stupidity about containers, about my school level laughing Well, and that Iran is evil, etc., etc. (Iran, as you can see, is a normal developed country, not Papuans with stakes, and any European country alone can resist it)
                        WILL YOU LONG STOKE ??? IRAN HAS NO WEAPON !!!! This is even the United States recognizes. But the fact that it was in Iraq, the United States was kind of sure - but they did not find it there. Strange huh?
                        In short, do not stupid comrade or try to mislead someone else with your stupidity.
                        I have the honor yes
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                        FROST 20 March 2012 18: 01 New
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                        About containers ..... I remember there was such a topic probably a year ago in some news or something like that. That you picked up from there, as I understand it ... stupidity.


                        Usually only people like you pick up “know what,” which women know, in what evil places. There is no stupidity in this. It is possible to transport a small nuclear device to the United States just like Russia or any other country if you carry tons of drugs. If you don’t have enough brains to assess such a threat, these are your problems.

                        As for air control - Yes, just as it was over Libya, they will. Despite their promises not to send ground troops into Libya, the states have introduced their special forces, plus all the rebels are mercenaries bought by the states and Israel. There you have the control. the old regime is overthrown and the pro-American ruler is seated, and here is the control.


                        You don’t even have the consciousness to appreciate that there is no civil war and a raging opposition in Iran to support it from the air. By itself, the regime will not change the bombing from the air and will not bring dividends, on the contrary, it will raise oil prices. But your brain is atrophied.

                        Are you sure that radical Islamists with nuclear weapons, our friends?

                        Well, this I did not say and did not mean. if only you were more careful .... you would have noticed my phrase - Iran is a buffer between us
                        and Nato in that direction. - And that says a lot in my opinion.


                        They said as they say in such cases, "that they ruined the air in a puddle," having left the answer to the question itself.

                        WILL YOU LONG STOKE ??? IRAN HAS NO WEAPON !!!


                        You have not answered a single question. Geopolitics is not familiar to you. Apart from anti-Israeli and anti-American hysteria, you have nothing. I don’t like to get personal, but going through your comments in my profile I realized that I’m talking with a talker who speaks on general topics, in general phrases that have no specifics and a person who denies the Holocaust and considers the Holocaust figures ridiculous is definitely a bastard and a bastard. The topic is closed.
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                        and a person who denies the Holocaust and considers the Holocaust figures ridiculous is definitely a goof and a bastard. The topic is closed.

                        Well then, everything is clear with you laughing
                        So you would immediately say that you hate Russians laughing
                        And besides shouting that people who deny the Holocaust are bastards, would give at least one justification, why should they consider otherwise?
                        In addition to the Jews, everyone does not care about this Holocaust. You, as I understand it, DO NOT FUCK laughing
                        I sincerely regret the Holocaust! Honestly. It is really a pity that he flew by in an instant.
                        With a man who sits under someone else’s flag and without a name, while protecting the Holocaust, but is trying to teach the Russians how to live ............ There is no reason to speak with such a person. You do not deserve attention, you yourself will disappear; the path is already beaten.

                        The problem of the appearance of children with birth defects is very acute in Israel. And the statistics collected in this regard are disappointing. Israeli Ministry of Health statistics


                        Okay Mr. NOBODY, free, go for the procedures. You entertained me laughing
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    FROST I don’t understand, is everything here for Iran to have nuclear weapons?
    Yes, for example, I am not against Iran’s nuclear weapons at all! And do not care about all sorts of UN resolutions! What is this “UN” clear to everyone, is it just FROST does not know anything? Once again, no one made such a fuss when the nuclear weapons took and appeared completely "by accident" from Israel! And this is the most filthy country in the world today!
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      FROST 19 March 2012 22: 03 New
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      And do not care about all sorts of UN resolutions! What is this “UN” clear to everyone, is it just FROST does not know anything? Once again, no one made such a fuss when the nuclear weapons took and appeared completely "by accident" from Israel! And this is the most filthy country in the world today!


      And who says that? Absolutely incompetent person (if you go over your comments, it's just an avid Troll) who is present on this site only to incite ethnic hatred and leaves posts, only on a similar topic? You have nothing to do with military review.
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        Cripple cross 20 March 2012 10: 28 New
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        You have nothing to do with military review.

        But you, as I understand it, are directly related to the Russian government and the UN Security Council laughing
        They agree with you laughing
  • ward 20 March 2012 10: 41 New
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    This is called a substitution of the thesis ... nuclear weapons are just a reason for aggression ... You look at how the statements change ... He creates nuclear weapons, he can create nuclear weapons ... Yes, any country with a nuclear power plant can create nuclear weapons ... but no one it would not occur to you to talk like that with a country possessing nuclear weapons ... and after Libya ... You look who is studying at the Baumanka nuclear faculty ... The whole world ... We’ll run around with a clapperboard ... It’s not easier to observe the UN charter by you beloved about not using force in international relations ..
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    Well, it turns out ... Although they are not friends to us ... In general, Shiites are much less aggressive than Wahhabis ...
  • Horde
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    Iran has one friend Russia, but not this one, but Russian, so Iran needs to invest in the opposition and change the regime.
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      Cripple cross 19 March 2012 11: 06 New
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      Horde,
      Where do you propose to Iran to change the regime and create an opposition? In Russia??? Are you okay?
      Or do you mean that you need to change their regime at home and invest in your opposition? Also then complete stupidity turns out.
      Please express your thoughts more clearly.
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        In Russia, of course, this will be salvation for all.
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          In Russia, of course, this will be salvation for all.

          You are saying something stupid. Sorry, of course, if I offended, but I have not heard such an `` ingenious '' idea.
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          The news showed guys with imperial black, gold, white flags, they left the opposition rally, and so their leader said - it’s better with BB than with "these."
          In whom are you proposing to invest in Iran? In Nemtsov, Kasyanov, K.Sobchak?
          cool you patrrriot wassat
          1. Horde
            Horde 19 March 2012 11: 54 New
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            In whom are you proposing to invest in Iran? In Nemtsov, Kasyanov, K.Sobchak?
            cool you patrrriot
            Yes, of course there are no these directly to the wall.
  • Horde
    Horde 19 March 2012 11: 42 New
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    Yes, of course they did.
    In 1801 Emperor Pavel1 was killed for the fact that the policy he pursued became contrary to the West-British. After the accession of Alexander, the policy towards the impudent people changed. The Indian campaign was canceled.
    In 1917 two Bolshevik groups, one Lenin paid by the Germans, the other Trotsky paid by Rockefeller made a coup in October. How much Russian policy has changed I hope you know.
    In 1996 no one "Family" believed in EBN victory: victory at any cost.
    These are only the most famous coups in the history of long-suffering Russia, after which either power changed or was held against the will of the people, after which the country's political vector was changing.
    1. Goga
      Goga 19 March 2012 11: 55 New
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      And in which direction and in what next coup (and at whose expense) do you propose to change Russian politics?
      As it is time, we ourselves can determine without foreign orders (and so over the last hundred years twice on the same rake from the same "customers" in 1917 and 1991 came).
      1. Horde
        Horde 19 March 2012 12: 36 New
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        We don’t need banks and oligarchs, but we need factories and design bureaus, return pro-American education to the place, stop military reform - feed our producer, not someone else’s, return the military education to the place. This is for a start. For whose account I have already said.
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          Cripple cross 19 March 2012 12: 45 New
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          return pro-American education to its place,
          Expand the thought please.

          reform stop
          Ie do not produce anything? Do not supply new weapons? We seem to be focusing on our design bureaus.

          .For whose account I have already said.
          - KNOW KEMENT!
          1. Horde
            Horde 19 March 2012 14: 35 New
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            pro-American education back in place, expand the thought please. [

            You’re a friend, as the moon fell off, education reform has been going on for several years, secondary education is paid, bachelor’s and master’s degrees are not in the traditions of the Russian people. I don’t remember what the general said that the worst Soviet weapon is our education system. Our education was the best, why touch it?

            reform stop That is, do nothing? Do not supply new weapons? We seem to be focusing on our design bureaus.

            I really go
            stole “do not produce anything?” It is necessary to protect and support what was the pride of the country, which was a symbol of the power of the Russian spirit and the subject of envy and respect from other countries — our defense-technical complex.
            1. Cripple cross
              Cripple cross 20 March 2012 10: 19 New
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              Horde,
              You then adequately express your thoughts. And then - Pro-American education is required to return. Thoughts competently degenerate. You just have a PRO-American education right now. you deal with the terms first laughing Apparently pro-American is already acting on you.
              I give a certificate:
              PRO-American education is an education that is similar to the American or in the interests of America. Where do you want to return it if it is just right now. You’d better say to return Our, Soviet, Past or whatever. Here you are picking out the right thoughts from you, but you often have them confused laughing



              Quote: Horde
              It is necessary to preserve and support what was the pride of the country, which was a symbol of the power of the Russian spirit and the subject of envy and respect among other countries - our defense-technical complex.


              Yes, I do not mind you on these issues fool
              You didn’t explain what reform you wanted to stop?

              Get your thoughts together. smile
    2. Cripple cross
      Cripple cross 19 March 2012 12: 27 New
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      another Trotsky paid for by Rockefeller made a coup in October, How much Russia's policy has changed I hope you know.

      It all led to a civil war.
      Are you calling for this? Toward a civil war sponsored by other countries and our external enemies? Then go! Your place is next to the bulk, the Germans, Kasparov and other Jewish Zionist riffraff.
      You are the enemy. NUMBER ONE!
      I assure you that all these coups did not happen for the good of the country and the sponsors did not pursue good goals.
      In addition to memorizing a history textbook, you also need to learn how to analyze, summarize and then draw a conclusion, so as not to step on this rake the next time.
      1. Horde
        Horde 19 March 2012 14: 39 New
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        specify whose enemy am I?
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          Cripple cross 19 March 2012 14: 55 New
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          Horde,
          Well, it turns out that you are an enemy of Russia, if Russia wants a civil war under the march and leadership of another country.
          1. Horde
            Horde 19 March 2012 15: 10 New
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            you open your eyes, every year in Russia it decreases by a million people, and not some burry and bug-eyed, Russian people are dying WAR-REVOLUTION is already going on and in this war we are losing !!!
            1. Cripple cross
              Cripple cross 19 March 2012 15: 43 New
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              Horde,
              You were carried to another plane. This is a separate topic for discussion. What you called, I do not dispute. We are dying out.
              But here we discussed a little different.
              Although you can combine your two themes into one. The nation is catastrophically declining rapidly, it is a fact! But you still offer at this moment a civil war for mutual and accelerated extermination. You have a mess in your thoughts. Or simply you cannot express something more clearly.
              For a better understanding, give an overview of HOW SHOULD BE, from your point of view, for Russia to feel good.
              Only briefly and point by point.
              1. Horde
                Horde 19 March 2012 17: 20 New
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                I said that Iran would not have such luxury as an independent policy for long, their guarantors (Libya, Iran, North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela, Syria) were the Soviet Union. Today Russia has other friends (USA, Israel) Russia does not have its own policy Therefore, in Iran, if they understand this, by the way, this also applies and Belarus should think about how to rectify the situation.

                We are dying out.

                We don’t die out, it’s only so, it seems. There is a war of extermination, many people don’t understand the methods of this war. The war is called informational. It’s hard to find black, white and black. It’s hard to find television, a more immoral and immoral source of information. positive images (love of the homeland, family values, respect for work, as a source of well-being) are being destroyed, the negative ones are negative (the homeland where it’s good, don’t hold back the most evil, animal-immoral inclinations, but rather make satisfaction - These inclinations are the meaning of life, labor is no longer a source of well-being, but only an opportunity to make money). The long-term non-financing of our enterprises not only physically destroyed the best enterprises, but also changed the minds of people (you won’t make stone chambers with righteous labor), everyone wants each other around good luck, as if playing cards, forgetting that only hard work, perseverance, professionalism lead to the goal -success. What is this, if not war. The stores are made up of the most terrible and disgusting poison swab disguised as attractive multi-colored labels, the dimensions are monstrous.
      2. karnics
        karnics 20 March 2012 00: 12 New
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        Where do you live, a civil war has been going on for a long time, a civil war against the Russian people is being waged by another nation, or do you think that the destroyers and executioners will change their minds and just give up their power as a result of the elections, without blood no one will ever get power is an axiom ...
        Over 10 years of Afghanistan, about thirty thousand of our guys died, no more than 3 thousand a year, now the Russian people are losing more than 500 thousand a year, there is a terrible cynical, vile war against the Russians of Russia, and the Russians of Ukraine, or you order to wait until the last Russian dies
        And enough to shuffle, we are only required to organize an uprising in an organized manner, arm ourselves and massacre our enemies, the more the better, in war only
        1. Cripple cross
          Cripple cross 20 March 2012 10: 08 New
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          karnics,
          And when you restore, whom will you cut correctly? Well, slaughter 2 dozen people whom they saw on TV, and then what? describe in more detail your enthusiasm, who will be in power? Is there such a person? And will the whole country support him, or will 2 or 3 candidates appear? And how will the dispute be resolved, to whom to steer? How do you see the country after the dismemberment of the power that exists? All that the grief of the network of revulchers lacks is to shout - Weapons are taken and gone! Death to the bourgeoisie! What's next??? After the 17th year, no one wanted to take power directly into their own hands. Well, Stalin took this step, otherwise it wouldn’t be, we would already be sure.
          Only they can step on the same rake 100 times. As soon as a violent overthrow of power occurs, then in place of the former rulers really monsters come who do not care about the people to the fullest. Can you give many examples when the revolution brought benefits to the country?
          The government should not be overthrown, but harnessed. If you go out, it’s only to demand the solution of a specific issue or the abolition of the adoption of the law. You can arrange strikes in large enterprises, etc., etc. The power must be crushed and not overthrown.
  • 755962
    755962 19 March 2012 12: 20 New
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    Russian media write about the "inevitability of an attack on Iran," noting that the Russian military is actively preparing for this war, fearing various threats on the southern borders of Russia. The threats of the “spreading" of war throughout the region, including Transcaucasia, are also mentioned in these days in Azerbaijan and Armenia.
  • DEfindER 19 March 2012 12: 55 New
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    I hope that after the last hero of Libya has fallen, Iran, Syria and other countries that are not yet under the shatami have the intelligence to withdraw all the money from Western banks. After all, having gained 40 billion Gaddafi’s appetite from the west, there was even more appetite, and the freezing of the accounts of Iran and Syria, with their subsequent confiscation, were quite predictable steps. What is most terrible, the whole world is silent, looking at such a bloody robbery, or as Gaddafi called it piracy ..
    I hope our government will take this into account, and in the end it will cease to develop the economy of the West, and will begin to invest in its own ..
  • Sarus
    Sarus 19 March 2012 17: 23 New
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    Do you want minus, but I respect Iran.
    This is perhaps the only country in the world that answers directly. Without any intrigue or hint. If you reach us, you will regret bitterly.
    And Iran wants to spit on the United States and Israel. So no one else behaves. Iran, in my opinion, is worthy of respect in this case.
  • karnics
    karnics 19 March 2012 18: 31 New
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    Iran is translated from Iranian as "Country of Aryans", which is why it does not give rest to shnobyastnymi ...
    1. Volkhov
      Volkhov 19 March 2012 20: 41 New
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      Look at the photo for the article - an analogue of the FAU-2 rocket with the gas rudders removed, the body is riveted a little rougher than on the German FAA. The back of the head next to Ahmadinejad belongs to a man of European type, so the source of technology is not North Korea.
      The expression on the Iranian President’s face is not commander’s, but rather a junior ally. This is an official photo, that is, they are in a language understandable to any rational people, show that the Reich is behind them. And the boldness of the statements of the Persians is becoming somewhat justified - we have a playboy Popovkin with projections, and there is a real Lunar base and cosmonautics for a long time not rocket. Our special services are changeable like ladies from Yaroslavl, and look for a traitor in the SS.
      Following the US American course leads us to modernized 41, but in the spring of 13 - a flood, so there is no time for “45”.
      The favorite sport of Zionism is the war against Nazism with Russian hands, but our vital interests are in the sowing. Caucasus, Samara, Volkhov, Altai, and let them play for the corridor from Israel to Afghanistan.
      1. Horde
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        two or three specialists from the Kolomna Design Bureau of Mechanical Engineering and Iran will have its own Iskander.
        1. Volkhov
          Volkhov 19 March 2012 23: 05 New
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          It’s not a rocket, but a systems fight. This is a world war with nuclear weapons on the eve of a natural disaster. The rocket in the picture is just a symbol, it is not something special and was good in the 40s, Iskander is a little better. Everything will be mixed up in a big mess - atomic charges, toxins, viruses, saboteurs, and little will be left then.
          The war is made by people, and it simply can not be started (theoretically), and a natural disaster does not depend on us - that’s what it would be necessary to deal with, it will be abrupt than war.
  • AIRFORCE
    AIRFORCE 20 March 2012 01: 13 New
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    Good selection of material.
    Before Ayatoll came to power, relations between Israel and Iran
    were more than good.
    If Ahmenijad 2 times a week did not repeat that it was necessary to destroy
    Zionist education, then in Israel no one paid attention to its nuclear program.
    If the president of the country says that he wants to destroy some country, then that country should naturally protect itself.
    I think that there will be no military operations, but if something begins, then only the over-head of Iran is to blame.
    Israel officially has no nuclear weapons and has never threatened anyone in 63 years.
  • AIRFORCE
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    Iran is fueling terror in the Middle East.

    According to Ynet, Iran’s leadership has put direct pressure on Islamic militants, demanding continued shelling of the western Negev.

    According to information received, the Islamic Republic refused to finance the terrorist organization Hamas and turned its attention to Islamic Jihad, which, with the help of Iranian money, unhinderedly creates a developed terror infrastructure in the Gaza Strip.
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    Of course, Israel should be silent and not obstruct if the missiles are hail,
    Iranian production, again fly to his city.
  • Odinplys
    Odinplys 20 March 2012 03: 10 New
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    Here they all go nuts .. if Iran already has 2-4 atomic toys ... then the threat to erase Israel will come true ...
    Yes, in my opinion ... to Israel
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    cezar) 20 March 2012 15: 08 New
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    Arabs are still warriors, remember only Arab-Israeli conflicts and the balance of power, and this despite the fact that often the Arabs had a strategic initiative

    I doubt that Iran has a clear program for creating nuclear weapons — it’s too reckless for them, and it seems like suicide, North Korea’s is another matter .. they already minimize their economic and geopolitical dependence on the outside world, and nuclear weapons can become a serious retention factor parity, although their power is no longer that of them, it is not at all that of relating to the North. Korea as before

    well, I think in any case, Iran is now offended by the fate of Libya - it remains only to select and rehearse the script .. just right now the media will start preparing people around the world for the next crusade - more precisely, for its "normal" perception, to make it look like " another small special operation "with good goals

    well, I think in any case, Iran is now offended by the fate of Libya - it remains only to select and rehearse the script .. just right now the media will start preparing people around the world for the next crusade - more precisely, for its "normal" perception, to make it look like " another small special operation "with good goals
    1. cezar)
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      well, I think in any case, Iran is now offended by the fate of Libya - it remains only to select and rehearse the script .. just right now the media will start preparing people around the world for the next crusade - more precisely, for its "normal" perception, to make it look like " another small special operation "with good goals
  • ward 20 March 2012 23: 05 New
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    Well, guys, let’s live together ... and it’s already boring which of you loves your homeland more ... Iran is already a big boy, he smokes openly ... and can stand up for himself ... Here's a little fact ... Russia Pezhik-206 seems, but I could be wrong ... made in Iran ... all my friends girls drive this car ... and they ride well ... so in .... Iran thoroughly remade this machine .. and the quality compared to Chinese and European ones is just super ... at least no one complained ... That is, they, unlike the Chinese, do the technique Osho ... In the including military ... and it will be an added surprise for the aggressor ...