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The invasion of NATO troops in Belarus and Russia: their response to the "West-2017"

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В first part of the material we saw that the joint exercises begun on the eve of the units of the Western Military District of Russia and the Belarusian army are a rehearsal of the war. In fact, today at the landfills, a plan is being developed for their deployment in case of danger to the union state from the direction of the west. What about NATO? What are they capable of?

The exercises "West-2017" in fact, became the answer to a series of exercises of NATO countries, where they in a European way meticulously worked out ways to "repel aggression" from Russia. If you look closely at them, then the NATO "partners" of Russia conducted the same series of command and staff exercises with working out on the grounds and on the ground measures for the rapid redeployment, deployment and coordination of parts of the armed forces of the NATO countries in the Baltic States, Poland, Bulgaria and Romania.

Back in 2015, the United States adopted a program to strengthen its military presence in Eastern Europe. Initially, this was expressed in a series of exercises on the rapid transfer of units and divisions of the American group of land forces from Germany to the Baltic States. By 2017, this program has grown to the actual transfer from the States on a permanently rotational basis of one heavy brigade of the US Army (one battalion in the German-Polish border, the Baltic States and Romania). Also one of the battalions of the light infantry division deployed in Germany was advanced to the area of ​​the town of Suwalki (Poland), where the isthmus between Poland and the Baltics is strategically important for both NATO and Russia.



Also, as part of strengthening its presence in Europe, four heavy "brigade kits of military equipment were already being deployed and stored in the Netherlands, Belgium and Germany, so that, if necessary, deploying the relevant units of the US armed forces would only need to redeploy the units and thus shorten the time their deployment.

From the US regular army there are still two brigades in Germany permanently (a “striker” and a light one), one of which may soon also be redeployed further east.

In addition, during the exercises, the option was developed to quickly transfer light, airborne and “striker” brigades from the USA using heavy transport aviation The US Air Force.

Thus, Washington is now on a permanent basis in Europe there are three brigades, one of which is heavy. Within a day or two they are ready to begin active hostilities against the enemy. What can be only the armed forces of the union state (Russia and Belarus). During this time, up to two light brigades will be able to be transferred from overseas, which will also be ready to operate by the end of the second day after the transfer.

Four more US heavy brigades (based on stored equipment) will be able to deploy in Eastern Europe in about a week. Plus at least one or two light brigades during the same time can be transferred by air from other regions of the globe.



In total, by the end of the first week of deployment, the US will have at least 10 brigades in Eastern Europe, of which five will be difficult.

And one should be added to these forces. tank and three mechanized divisions of the Armed Forces of Poland (a total of 12 brigades). The Polish army also has two separate light brigades. In 2017, it was decided to deploy in the Baltic states up to four separate battalions of various NATO countries, which will be there on a rotational basis.

Do not forget the rapid reaction forces of the European NATO countries, which for the most part are included in the three divisions of the German Army (eleven brigades).



Total minimum 33 brigade, not counting the sun Baltic. Against a maximum of 13-15 brigades of the union state in this direction. As we understand, to say at the same time that Russia is threatening someone with its actions is senseless for today.

Why is neutral Ukraine even so important for Russia and Europe?

Today, in view of the hostile relations between the Kiev regime and Moscow, a significant part of the armed forces of the Western Military District and the Southern Military District of the Russian Federation are concentrated to cover Russia from the south-west. In the Western District, 20 A was deployed for this purpose, consisting of two reinforced motorized rifle divisions (four-infantry from the 2017 year) and one tank brigade. Judging by the direction of the formation of new units, over time, the army will still have three full-fledged divisions, one of which will be a tank one.

In fact, this is the equivalent of six heavy NATO brigades.

After the 2014 events of the year, the Southern District was forced to deploy 8 A in the Rostov region. Its formation in the 2016 year was only begun and until it consists of a single 150 motorized rifle division of the four-regimental squadron (2 mn and 2 msp), which suggests that the divisions will soon can become two. In fact, 8 A is today the rear and a possible means of reinforcing the VSN corps in the Donbas in the event of renewed active hostilities here from Kiev.

That is, today the pro-NATO and anti-Russian regime in Kiev is dragging Russian troops into the equivalent of roughly NATO 8 brigades. And it is not by chance that these days, when the Russian-Belarusian exercises Zapad-2017 are taking place in Belarus, general exercises of the Armed Forces of Ukraine take place on the territory controlled by Kiev, during which units not involved in the ATO work out deployment actions in two strategic areas, Brest and Chernigov-Sumy-Kharkov.

Why are the LC buildings and the DNI so important for Moscow. The only one who is now partially capable of neutralizing the growing threat to Russia from Kiev is the VSN corps in the Donbas. Having in its composition the equivalent of five to six NATO brigades, it also holds back up to half the forces of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. In turn, Kiev, taking advantage of the truce, has already managed to deploy 3 tank brigades, 10 mechanized brigades, 7 light infantry brigades and 7 mobile brigades (total 13 heavy and 14 light brigades), each of which is outnumbered as the corresponding NATO units.



Yes, they have today low combat capability and cannot be considered fully combat-ready both by Russian and by NATO standards (and therefore they can be safely divided into three). But still, these are 27 (9) brigades that are already fairly well equipped with military equipment, including thanks to the NATO countries, which are well aware of all their strategic importance in the region.

And now, having figured out the alignment of forces in Eastern Europe, one can answer the question why it is so important for Russia and the United States to control Ukraine militarily. The worst thing for Washington will start when the APU they cherished will go over to the Russian side (and this is how it is possible). This will immediately dramatically change the military balance of power in Europe and destroy their game, which they have been playing here for decades.
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  1. aszzz888
    aszzz888 15 September 2017 06: 27
    +31
    The worst thing for Washington will begin when the AFU cherished by them will go over to the side of Russia

    ... for the time being this is from the realm of fantasy ... and I really suspect that this will not "start" any time ... bully
    1. Kenxnumx
      Kenxnumx 15 September 2017 06: 35
      +4
      The whole article is entirely from the realm of fiction.
      1. Yurasumy
        15 September 2017 07: 43
        +26
        You are not right. I understand that this will not happen, but this does not mean that the article is from the realm of fiction. The General Staffs of the armies are developing plans for all possible cases. Or are you one of those who believe that if there is a vigorous loaf, then it solves all the problems at once and there is nothing to bother with other plans?
        1. NIKNN
          NIKNN 15 September 2017 14: 40
          +3
          Quote: yurasumy
          if the loaf is vigorous, then it solves all problems at once and there is nothing to bother with other plans?

          Of course it is necessary to bother and moreover is necessary. However, in the strategy adopted in the extreme reading, it was said that "... to protect the territories of our country and the countries of the allies, we do not exclude the use of nuclear weapons ...." (well, this is in my interpretation of the doctrine of our armed forces ..., well, I can’t say that it doesn’t please me ...) in other words, we refused to use nuclear weapons if it is not applied to us) Well, how else if we give up NATO by 3 times if it’s modest, but I think so every 8 = 10
          hi
          1. 97110
            97110 15 September 2017 18: 03
            +1
            when the AFU cherished by them will go over to the side of Russia (and this is oh as possible)
            Quote: NIKNN
            we give way to NATO 3 times if so modestly, but I think once every 8 = 10
          2. mihail7910
            mihail7910 15 September 2017 23: 40
            +8
            8-10? Who counted? Flatter the block! And who to whom and why! Human bodies burn the same. And, the water and food in the bunkers will end before the riverbeds are washed and some crops ripen ... Farewell.
            1. NIKNN
              NIKNN 16 September 2017 07: 44
              +2
              Quote: mihail7910
              Flatter the block!

              Yes, no offhand ... :))) I don’t want to believe in the war, and I’m glad that we are pissed (we won’t climb ourselves, but we can handle it with sanderlogs ... smile ) precisely thanks to nuclear weapons
          3. Black sniper
            Black sniper 16 September 2017 12: 38
            0
            The maximum is two times, and if with the countries in the military bloc / cooperation, then the superiority is 0. And here are the banderlogs and nuclear weapons ???
        2. Mih1974
          Mih1974 15 September 2017 23: 28
          +19
          Let's assume that the Russian leadership came to the conclusion (it does not matter how and why) that the NATO forces at our borders were put into attack mode on our country and decided “not June 22” and deliver a preemptive strike - tactically with nuclear weapons to concentrate troops in the Baltic states , Poland, the Czech Republic according to the "missile defense base" (which we consider the base of medium-range missiles). And we strike such a blow. Let's just say - the whole world froze, and the EU squeals like a slaughtered pig, but what besides the "screech" will be a retaliatory military action? Of those who were hit in response, NOBODY would be capable, of the "NATO allies" who were not hit, they could be dangerous - the USA (mainly), England, France, the rest have no significant weapons or nuclear weapons.
          Consider the possible actions of these three owners of nuclear weapons, England and France have very little potential and are simply not able to “destroy” the Russian Federation, while our retaliatory strike will cease their existence as “geographical objects”. England is simply small in size, and France has a lot of nuclear power plants which is essentially a “nuclear mine”, that is, in addition to Russian nuclear strikes, the destruction of nuclear power plants will make the territory of France simply unsuitable for life (of people). We recall how France and England joined the struggle against Hitler for Poland (it was a treaty), it is logical to assume that - they will “remember” that the notorious “5 article” sounds “countries allies decide whether to provide assistance and to what extent to the aggressed country” tongue
          It remains the United States, here it is more complicated. This country has the direct optical potential for suicide. Remember how they inflated the whole Korean War out of nothing that almost came to an exchange of nuclear strikes !! But in any case, the question arises before them - whether to launch a “retaliatory” attack on Russia or limit itself to all sorts of sanctions. At the same time, TAM will certainly understand that for any "non-nuclear" attack on the territory of the Russian Federation, our leadership can also destroy the loaf in the United States, or at least for a nuclear tactical charge that attacked an object. Whereas an attack by the Russian Federation even with a tactical nuclear charge will lead - to an immediate strategic one already in the territory of the USA.

          Conclusion: we must stop retreating with the words "if only not for war." And so we retreat to Vladivostok. I advise you to remember how the United States took off when we deployed nuclear missiles under their nose in Cuba - we were ready to fight! That’s enough for him to be cowardly — as we deem that “there is too much of them here” - immediately send nuclear attacks “to the guri”. And the sanctions, and what the sanctions - almost every day there are new sanctions. It is time to understand that TAM is in the West, the Enemy is sitting and either we will destroy it or it will be us and therefore we must “trade” “not to the West”.
          1. NIKNN
            NIKNN 16 September 2017 07: 46
            +2
            Quote: Mih1974
            Let's assume

            Let's not ... :))) Although it was suggested at headquarters this, and maybe it just comes up with plan No. X .... request
          2. Black sniper
            Black sniper 16 September 2017 12: 45
            +1
            Hi Misha, you are absolutely right, respect and respect!
          3. alexddd
            alexddd 18 September 2017 16: 03
            0
            I think it will be all the same on June 22nd. Why? But because in this case there will be no doubters. Yes, it’s bad that as a result of a missed strike there will be many victims. But we will embark on a holy war, and this is important !!! As they said that the power she is in truth. And if we hit first, then half of Russia will vote about the “aggressive Kremlin” and you can’t prove anything to anyone. The territory of our state is large and the population density is not large and can withstand any blow, which can not be said about the opponents - there the population is very crowded in small territories. He didn’t see more than one drowned submarine drowned near the shore, and even our submarine forces were not sewn. I think that in the coming war strikes will be from the sea, from under the sea more precisely. And it’s not safe to fly through the air. In general, we are stupidly taken for a show off. Their gut is thin. The whole story does not just talk about it, but screams. !!!
      2. vladimirZ
        vladimirZ 15 September 2017 08: 27
        +27
        The only one who is now partially able to neutralize the growing threat to Russia from Kiev is the VSN corps in the Donbass. - from article

        But this is not from the realm of fiction. The support of LDNR and their military contingent is vital for Russia. This is a buffer to deter Ukraine in its quest for NATO.
        And the very work of Russia in influencing the sound, rational military leadership of the Armed Forces of Ukraine should be carried out yesterday with the goal of the future "transition" of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to the side of the Russian world. This is one of the strategic tasks of the Russian leadership in the confrontation against NATO and the United States.
        Without the tug of war or even the neutralization of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, the struggle of the Russian world against the Western world will be very difficult and complex. And this is a fact that cannot be avoided.
        1. Kenxnumx
          Kenxnumx 15 September 2017 11: 56
          +1
          Even Krymnash is a deterrent to Ukraine in NATO. They won’t take them there with territorial disputes. And the LDNR Armed Forces without suitable air defense can restrain someone only with our very direct participation.
          1. vladimirZ
            vladimirZ 15 September 2017 12: 52
            +7
            And the LDNR Armed Forces without suitable air defense can restrain someone only with our very direct participation. - Ken71

            And who said that "our direct participation" will not be there when the military situation of NATO aggression against Russia arises?
            Will be. The strategic goal of uniting the Russian world against the united West is too important.
      3. Andrey Fuchs
        Andrey Fuchs 17 September 2017 15: 46
        0
        I completely agree with you. Even for me, a sergeant of the RF Armed Forces, the opinion of this strategist is nonsense! There was an experience! We have nurtured!
    2. B.T.V.
      B.T.V. 15 September 2017 06: 57
      +17
      "Never" is when the earth knocks on the coffin lid, and the rest can change.
    3. Yurasumy
      15 September 2017 07: 42
      0
      I would not be so categorical
    4. Finches
      Finches 15 September 2017 08: 37
      +8
      In time, we squeezed the Crimea! Pin ... Americans bite their elbows and call Poroshenko in every possible way, calling him, to put it mildly, a weakling and a rag! like a military bridgehead! laughing
    5. max702
      max702 15 September 2017 09: 50
      +20
      At one time, Khrushchev told the "partners" to escalate the situation in Europe. -Do you think we will fight with tanks and planes? Not ! THREE bombs will suffice for England, FOUR and Germany for FOUR .. This thought needs to be conveyed today to the "partners" .. For us there is nothing vital in Europe, all that we want is for us not to climb and prevent us from living .. And therefore there will be the toughest scenario, the glazed countries of the continent and all ...
      1. Yurasumy
        15 September 2017 10: 26
        +2
        If such a paradigm prevails in Moscow, get ready, your children will dig trenches on the outskirts of the capital.
        1. Black sniper
          Black sniper 16 September 2017 11: 59
          +2
          No, it’s your children who will dig trenches on the outskirts of Washington ...
          1. xXx__SET__xXx
            xXx__SET__xXx 16 September 2017 21: 09
            +3
            I just always wanted to serve in the acupuncture forces in California
      2. Andrey Fuchs
        Andrey Fuchs 17 September 2017 15: 54
        0
        Max, do you think there are full downs sitting on the tower? There is Tipo McCain, well, or our Wolfovich! Clowns! What is the great difference between ours and them, so to speak. They are for money, we are for conscience!
    6. SCHWERIN
      SCHWERIN 15 September 2017 13: 25
      0
      Star Wars with the Hobits .....
    7. Black sniper
      Black sniper 16 September 2017 10: 28
      +2
      And when Europe was liberated from fascism, on whose side did the corrupt armies go? That's right, on the side of the USSR.
    8. Nikolay Fedorov
      Nikolay Fedorov 18 September 2017 13: 42
      0
      Quote: aszzz888
      The worst thing for Washington will begin when the AFU cherished by them will go over to the side of Russia

      ... for the time being this is from the realm of fantasy ... and I really suspect that this will not "start" any time ... bully

      Well, why? After all, the experience of the Crimea showed that this is very likely. The thousands of armed forces of the Armed Forces, as well as the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Security Service of Ukraine, with quite confident steps entered the wing of Russia, and now they serve the state with Russian faith and truth. Others - not sparing themselves or even their lives (recent events are an example of this).
      I am sure that in a direct clash of the armed forces after the first fraternal zvezdyulin, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will be transferred under strong fraternal arm in whole units and formations. Terbats, well-wishers and other Nazis will not even be disturbed by admonitions, these are only at a cost. But the bulk simply got lost.
  2. izya top
    izya top 15 September 2017 06: 45
    +7
    and WHAT? -----------------------------------
    1. svp67
      svp67 15 September 2017 06: 56
      +1
      Quote: izya top
      and what?

      But where did he take this member of the "boatswain team"? Disorder
      1. igorj 51
        igorj 51 15 September 2017 07: 15
        +5
        But where did he take this member of the "boatswain team"? Disorder

        Actually, it doesn’t take a peakless cap .. He’s a sailor and not a paratrooper ... :))
      2. izya top
        izya top 15 September 2017 07: 18
        +5
        Quote: svp67
        But where did he leave that member of the "boatswain team"? N

        Claim a claim! This is a commander’s trick yes and if the cat is darn (with a roll), then they rake everything soldier
      3. 97110
        97110 15 September 2017 18: 55
        0
        Quote: svp67
        But where did he take this member of the "boatswain team"?

        With this expression, only a mechanic, well, a motor mechanic, can observe the state of hydraulics. The business of the boatswain team is to crush and paint, and not to warm the belly on the ropes.
  3. svp67
    svp67 15 September 2017 06: 55
    +6
    Why is neutral Ukraine even so important for Russia and Europe?
    The Germans reached Kharkov only in the fall of 41, and now NATO may already be there tomorrow ... And from there to Moscow, Voronezh, Rostov and other industrial centers of Russia, "at a glance"
    1. skeptic
      skeptic 15 September 2017 16: 08
      +2
      Quote: svp67
      The Germans reached Kharkov only in the fall of 41, and now NATO may already be there tomorrow ... And from there to Moscow, Voronezh, Rostov and other industrial centers of Russia, "at a glance"


      Nuclear weapons neutralize any of their advantages. If the Naglosak Zion (the main bourgeoisie) is annulled, then all claims against Russia will resolve by themselves. The nations themselves have nothing to share.
      You should not panic, .. Russian strategic nuclear forces are worse than Mr. Colt.
    2. Berkut752
      Berkut752 15 September 2017 18: 00
      +6
      The war in Afghanistan makes it even clearer to compare the two armies. The next day, the 40th Soviet army controlled all the major cities, while under NATO, the Taliban and IS terrorists (the Islamic State, a terrorist group banned in the Russian Federation) occupy entire provinces, and drug trafficking increased by 45 times. ...
      1. seal78
        seal78 15 September 2017 22: 29
        +2
        I do not agree. The comparison is incorrect, as the Soviet Mujahideen Army destroyed, and the American supports, instructs and controls them.
        1. Black sniper
          Black sniper 16 September 2017 12: 06
          +1
          To flood Russia with drugs
          1. seal78
            seal78 16 September 2017 16: 09
            0
            Exactly. And not only Russia.
    3. Andrey Fuchs
      Andrey Fuchs 17 September 2017 16: 00
      0
      Just do not swear, Furomans! Why did Russia cling to the Donbass ?! It will be cynical, but I think there is more strategy!
      1. raw174
        raw174 18 September 2017 09: 18
        +1
        Quote: Andrey Fuks
        It will be cynical, but I think there is more strategy!

        Sure! If everything goes according to a good scenario, then in 2-5 years the Russian army’s base will be there, with missile systems and other goodies, in order to dictate their inflexible will to the entire world community ... And the inhabitants of Donbas will believe in Russia as a liberator , as in a country that did not merge them, did not leave them in a difficult moment ...
  4. inkass_98
    inkass_98 15 September 2017 07: 13
    +18
    The author caught up with fear, of course. But here's a look at the balance of power from within Europe:
  5. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 15 September 2017 07: 19
    +3
    What to pour from empty to empty. NATO has already come close to our borders, and suddenly such an excuse as Russian-Belarusian exercises appeared. Under this pretext, you can catch up with a lot of troops poking a finger at Russia.
  6. izya top
    izya top 15 September 2017 07: 25
    0
    and where can I buy what the author smoked? feel
    1. Yurasumy
      15 September 2017 07: 46
      +5
      Author for a healthy lifestyle and logic. And what seems illogical to you here? Besides, of course, that a non-nuclear war between NATO and the Russian Federation is impossible today, does the truth not preclude preparations for it from both sides?
  7. Krasnyiy komissar
    Krasnyiy komissar 15 September 2017 07: 51
    +17
    All these American brigades to ass. In the event of an attack on the territory of the Russian Federation, Poland and Germany should be destroyed in the first 15 minutes of the war, including US troops on their territory. The attack of ANY NATO country on Russia is the attack of the entire bloc, including unarmed Iceland.
    1. Yurasumy
      15 September 2017 08: 30
      +5
      Yes, but ... The General Staffs are obliged to develop such plans. And they are developing them, as well as plans for nuclear wars, which are also not going to wage.
    2. Akuzenka
      Akuzenka 15 September 2017 09: 42
      0
      And why are missile defense systems being built? What do you think, Napoleon, are you ours !?
      1. Krasnyiy komissar
        Krasnyiy komissar 15 September 2017 11: 33
        +6
        Let them try to intercept our missiles with rgch. I am 146% sure that all BBs will achieve their goals.
        1. Airman
          Airman 16 September 2017 10: 10
          0
          It will be necessary to hammer at once on the Tanu and Naglam! As soon as the others find out that there is already ashes, they will drop their weapons and climb up fraternity, because all the mongrels in the ass of the arrogant and amers will dance to their tune ... Well, maybe they’ll for decency, another day, so as not to look like the very last poets ...
          1. Airman
            Airman 16 September 2017 10: 12
            0
            ... immediately by p.i.s.do.s.-...
    3. Black sniper
      Black sniper 16 September 2017 13: 05
      +1
      I feel sorry for Iceland, there are good players ☺ ;-)
  8. bratchanin3
    bratchanin3 15 September 2017 10: 36
    +10
    Do the Yankees seriously believe that the American continent will be a deep rear for the war in Europe? America should be a good target for a nuclear strike along with England.
  9. Conductor
    Conductor 15 September 2017 10: 57
    +6
    Yes, Ukraine is lost right now for the Russian Federation. There they washed their brains! Since 2003 I have been working with Ukrainians since birth in 1976-80. This is a complete scribe! from year and year everything was worse. Ukraine fed Russia with lard and bread))) And Kazakhstan, too. and Siberia. to the question, why then in the same southern Siberia and the Republic of Kazakhstan they collected bread and where did it go - to vodka !! Apparently he made vodka from everything, into flesh to buckwheat.
    1. Black sniper
      Black sniper 16 September 2017 13: 18
      0
      Of course they washed, my mother in 1984 in Lviv was resting and saw fascist marches, then many scolded and spat on them, now these lads are about 51-60 years old. :-(
    2. Andrey Fuchs
      Andrey Fuchs 17 September 2017 16: 11
      +1
      Dear Conductor! If you turn to statistics, then you will be provided with obvious evidence of the facts of statistics of the USSR! Two republics worked in plus- Russia and Belarus! ' Maybe this is one of the reasons why it all fell apart?
  10. Conductor
    Conductor 15 September 2017 11: 02
    +11
    Even a simple question, guys, it was not economically profitable to transport grain from Ukraine to Kazakhstan, nea. You yourself saw how trains with bread went to Kazakhstan and Siberia))) You saw the thread on gondola cars or freight cars of the plate - Grain. Poltava - Krasnoyarsk. When I was in the USSR, I don’t remember Ukrainian products in stores in Alma-Ata. Everything was its own or the region and the Russian Federation.
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    1. Diana Ilyina
      Diana Ilyina 15 September 2017 13: 59
      +19
      Ryazan87
      As for the “LDNR corps”, given their current state, for the Armed Forces this is a week and a half battles.
      Of course, I am not a military expert, but in this case, you have surpassed me in terms of "knowledge"! If it were all as you pictured here, the APU would have long gone on the offensive. For three years now, the Armed Forces of Ukraine have been stomping on the spot, making attacks on the demilitarization zones and bouncing back after receiving a good click on the nose. So far, of all the "successes" of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, only Saur-Mogila, Ilovaysk, Donetsk airport and Debaltseve are remembered ... !!! Well, and so yeah ... as soon as they start, they’ll finish right away ... laughing As soon as all this ends, as always, the march of prisoners in the streets of Donetsk!

      P.S. But the fact that the Armed Forces of Ukraine is quite possibly going to our side ...?! Firstly, the question is VERY controversial. And secondly, do we need such a transition ?! This is not even a partisan detachment with a traitor, it will be worse and worse! As history shows, only punitives are good ones!
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        1. Diana Ilyina
          Diana Ilyina 15 September 2017 14: 28
          +20
          Calling a spade a spade - the intervention of the Russian army on the model of the summer of 2014 and the repetition of the same Ilovaisk.
          Oh how ?! Was there a Russian army near Ilovaisk ?! Maybe you can call the number of the military unit ?! It seems to me you are not a "Ryazan", you are more likely an "Ivano-Frankivsk" ...?!
          As for Debaltseve, this first stage of the operation perfectly illustrates that, in the military sense, the LDNR corps can do without the help of the RF Armed Forces. The level of losses, the effectiveness of artillery fire, the coordination of units. There will be many interesting things.
          Well ka, well ka, enlighten ... And what is the level of losses compared with the Armed Forces and the National Bats ?! And what about the "efficiency" of artillery fire ?! And the most important point, but how did it end then ?!
          However, the question is purely rhetorical, you can not answer, it is clear to me from the very beginning who you are and what you are! "Xperd" damn sofa!
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          2. sentaniel
            sentaniel 17 September 2017 02: 25
            0
            Diana, you know very well whose merits these boilers are ... DO NOT lower the memory and merits of our fighters.
      2. Sedoi zmei
        Sedoi zmei 15 September 2017 21: 28
        +2
        "This is not even a partisan detachment with a traitor, it will be worse and worse!" Girl! You can’t even imagine how right! good
  12. Music
    Music 15 September 2017 12: 22
    +2
    Strongly said! Will pass! Not even funny ...
  13. RomanRVV
    RomanRVV 15 September 2017 12: 49
    +5
    It will be possible to talk about the transition of the Armed Forces to the side of Russia when they defeat the National Battles.
    1. xXx__SET__xXx
      xXx__SET__xXx 16 September 2017 21: 19
      0
      as soon as the Russian Federation officially enters the troops they will disappear
  14. Ronald Reagan
    Ronald Reagan 15 September 2017 14: 15
    +2
    Belarus will not fight with anyone, but simply take the side of the winner. bully
  15. Sergey Valentinovich
    Sergey Valentinovich 15 September 2017 15: 12
    +5
    Do not forget that no one in the West really wants to fight against Russia, because first they need to know the history of how those who come to Russia with weapons end up; secondly, and who now wants to be from a tolerant and depraved Europe and the USA truly die for the completely incomprehensible ideals of a liberal world without borders? So not everything is decided only by numerical superiority and weapons. For many centuries, Russians have been proving to Western countries that it is not worth fighting against them. And I think that they should understand that the patience of the Russians is already ending. We will no longer forgive and forgive the centuries-old humiliation. If there is a war, then without nuclear weapons we will defeat both Europe and the USA. Let them not rely on their grandmothers. Not everything in this world is decided by printed wrappers of green color!
    1. Alexander Krylov
      Alexander Krylov 15 September 2017 16: 53
      +4
      But Europe does not intend to fight at all ... The United States is pushing everyone into an armed conflict that no one needs besides this United States itself. And the United States is not needed on its territory. And the Shtatovskii armed forces more closely resemble (jobs) jobs and population employment. How can one imagine the case that the US Army will be dissolved? Yes, they do not need anyone with their own territory, but unemployment will be ... uu And they are drawn into this employment so that they have no choice but to play war games. Look at the map (somewhere) of Amer’s bases ... - this is a nightmare all over the world ...
    2. Conrad
      Conrad 15 September 2017 18: 04
      0
      Quote: Sergey Valentinovich
      Secondly, and who from tolerant and depraved Europe and the USA now wants to really die for the sake of completely incomprehensible ideals of a liberal world without borders?

      In the USA and Europe, besides the Tolerasts and depraved, there are still quite a few people.
    3. Ivan Ivanov
      Ivan Ivanov 15 September 2017 21: 52
      0
      Quote: Sergey Valentinovich
      Do not forget that no one in the West wants to really fight against Russia.

      They just want, so they are impudent, another question is by whose hands and in what form. This we do not want to fight, which is expressed in our pliability and excuses. we just got nowhere to go
    4. xXx__SET__xXx
      xXx__SET__xXx 16 September 2017 21: 21
      0
      or maybe they, like the Russian AVOS, are lucky
  16. Alexander Krylov
    Alexander Krylov 15 September 2017 16: 43
    +2
    Tanks - which are good - are big targets. It’s hard to miss ...
    1. xXx__SET__xXx
      xXx__SET__xXx 16 September 2017 21: 22
      0
      Yeah, but getting out of the field is difficult and you won’t make a second shot
  17. Mikhail Anokhin
    Mikhail Anokhin 15 September 2017 17: 49
    +3
    Reading these musings is sickening, as if plunging into the late 1930s.
    Start a war in fact, and thermonuclear charges will be launched! What will become of the cities of Poland and the contingents of the armored forces of NATO?
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      1. Black sniper
        Black sniper 16 September 2017 14: 41
        +2
        And with the hometown in Ukraine where American troops are the enemies of Russia.
  18. Andrew ))))))
    Andrew )))))) 15 September 2017 17: 49
    +1
    The worst thing for Washington will begin when the AFU cherished by them will go over to the side of Russia. This will never happen in Ukraine when the constant, “educated” generation of the younger generation considers Russia as an enemy, nothing is done on the part of Russia to liberate Ukraine, except the Minsk notorious truces.
  19. asavchenko59
    asavchenko59 15 September 2017 18: 26
    +1
    Yes, with whom to fight there ?!
    They pissed themselves from a burnt plastic bucket and fainted.
    Yes, and tights with lipstick, they quickly run out ....... hehe hehe ...
    1. Airman
      Airman 16 September 2017 10: 18
      +2
      Laughter, laughter, but there is age-old wisdom: if you want peace, get ready for war! And there is one wisdom that has been tested for centuries: you must never underestimate the enemy !!!
  20. CrimeaOur
    CrimeaOur 15 September 2017 18: 34
    +4
    Quote: svp67
    The Germans reached Kharkov only in the fall of 41, and now NATO may already be there tomorrow ... And from there to Moscow, Voronezh, Rostov and other industrial centers of Russia, "at a glance"

    The current NATO oh how far to the Wehrmacht.
    1. xXx__SET__xXx
      xXx__SET__xXx 16 September 2017 21: 25
      0
      Well, the truth is the truth, and the Minister of Defense is a nanny for the blue atoms, they are offended and weighed down, they do not allow their homeland to be protected
  21. zenion
    zenion 15 September 2017 18: 46
    +7
    If the war begins, which the States really want to get out of the hole, then this can happen, as in one case during the war with the Nazis. When artillery and fire Katyush, after the bombing, they cut a strip 10 km wide, free from German troops to a depth of 50 km. If it starts now, they will cut the strip from Bulgaria in the south, to Poland in the north to the English island itself. As Churchill once said that if the Russians go on the attack, they will not stop in Dunkirk, they will stop in Greenland. It’s better not to wake up the Russian bear while it’s calm. Churchill thought America would fight for them.
    1. Airman
      Airman 16 September 2017 10: 21
      +2
      I think it would be more expedient to stop somewhere in Chicago, at a meeting of troops of the Far Eastern and Siberian Military District and Western Military District.
  22. Andrey Porushar
    Andrey Porushar 15 September 2017 19: 30
    +2
    Ukrainians are not so categorical in the issue of Russia, I know what I'm saying ... The transition of a healthy electorate to the side of the fraternal federation will certainly happen - a matter of time, a short time. They, however, will be the most merciless and evil thugs of the junta, as well as the satanic elite of the West that nourished it.
    1. Airman
      Airman 16 September 2017 10: 22
      0
      I'd love you to be 100% right!
  23. staviator
    staviator 15 September 2017 19: 45
    +4
    Quote: B.T.W.
    "Never" is when the earth knocks on the coffin lid, and the rest can change.

    That's right, someone in the 50-80s assumed that the USSR would fall apart and that Bandera would march in Kiev? Would you be in a psychiatric hospital, it’s a fact. In Crimea there were military units of Ukraine who knew that they had a whole country, at least one shot made that so to repulse the "aggressor"? So the theme of the transition of the APU (of which a good third consists of officers educated on Soviet values) to the side of Russia is not so illusive and delusional.
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  25. staviator
    staviator 15 September 2017 20: 06
    +3
    Quote: Diana Ilyina
    Oh how ?! Was there a Russian army near Ilovaisk ?! Maybe you can call the number of the military unit ?! It seems to me you are not a "Ryazan", you are more likely an "Ivano-Frankivsk" ...?!

    boilers were created by miners from the militia. DB. lol
  26. Andrey1961
    Andrey1961 15 September 2017 21: 34
    +6
    The events of the 30s and 40s of the last century are repeated, all of Europe turned against Russia, only now under the leadership of the United States and not Hitler's Germany, and treaties and all other agreements on non-attack have been signed which are not worth the paper on which it is all written!!!
  27. Sedoi zmei
    Sedoi zmei 15 September 2017 21: 40
    +4
    But what kind of war is NATO with Russia?!? What are you speaking about? Maaalenky Korea (which is hardly visible on the map) showed a maaalenky nuclear baton - and the states .... did it all in general! And knowing what Russia has, and what the Russians are capable of ... winked
    1. Ivan Ivanov
      Ivan Ivanov 15 September 2017 21: 54
      +3
      Russia must have an egg baton to apply. Kim has them. we have .. the situation in the Donbass makes our partners doubt, so they’re climbing
      1. A_L_F
        A_L_F 15 September 2017 22: 22
        +3
        What do you dislike about the situation in Donbas? or do you want it to be like in Yugoslavia? before vyser write poraskinte brain
      2. Golibjon
        Golibjon 16 September 2017 04: 54
        +1
        If Russia shows eggs the whole world will be scared))) Russia is shy)))
        Then a nuclear storm is launched with the heart of Turan and Game Over.
      3. Sedoi zmei
        Sedoi zmei 16 September 2017 09: 37
        +1
        Even in the absence of eggs in Russia, the Perimeter system will work! And knowing that the answer will arrive ANYWHERE - there will be no one who wants to start!
      4. Black sniper
        Black sniper 16 September 2017 15: 52
        0
        Russia’s eggs are big and hairy, just LDNR doesn’t ask Russia for military help, they manage it themselves, and if they ask for it, the banderlogs will run away to Poland.
  28. mihail7910
    mihail7910 15 September 2017 23: 24
    +2
    ALL THEY ARE SCARY TO THE FIRST TIME ON THE SOPS. AND VERY AFRAID OF YELLOWSTONE AND THE ABSENCE OF TOILET PAPER.
    1. ydjin
      ydjin 16 September 2017 09: 32
      +1
      Quote: mihail7910
      ALL THEY ARE SCARY TO THE FIRST TIME ON THE SOPS. AND VERY AFRAID OF YELLOWSTONE AND THE ABSENCE OF TOILET PAPER.

      You do not underestimate the enemy, he is strong and we are not sewn together.
  29. complete zero
    complete zero 16 September 2017 05: 26
    0
    what nonsense about the "fraternization" of the APU with Russia
    1. Black sniper
      Black sniper 16 September 2017 15: 29
      +2
      Duck in Crimea APU swore allegiance to Russia and took Russian citizenship!
  30. Mikhalych 70
    Mikhalych 70 16 September 2017 06: 49
    +3
    Once betrayed (APU) ... Where is the guarantee that they will not continue to run to the one who, in their opinion, is stronger ?!
  31. ydjin
    ydjin 16 September 2017 09: 29
    0
    The worst thing for Washington will begin when the AFU cherished by them will go over to the side of Russia (and this is oh as possible). This will immediately sharply change the military balance of power in Europe and destroy their game, which they play here throughout. One can only dream about it.
  32. Varjag
    Varjag 16 September 2017 10: 08
    +1
    Why is "at least neutral Europe so important for Russia and Europe"? But didn’t Europe put these cattle to Kiev, didn’t Merkel threaten Yanukovych with sanctions? On TV it is customary to show Europe as something white, fluffy and spherical, but it is hardly worth repeating behind a box.
  33. VIa70286887
    VIa70286887 16 September 2017 11: 54
    0
    This bunch of NATO and American barbarians can be destroyed at once with one bomb.
    1. Black sniper
      Black sniper 16 September 2017 15: 21
      0
      What is true or what? ;-) And I thought to shoot from a slingshot ... ;-)
  34. VIa70286887
    VIa70286887 16 September 2017 11: 56
    0
    As soon as the foot of the barbarians sets foot in Russia, America will get the cores.
  35. Black sniper
    Black sniper 16 September 2017 15: 08
    +2
    The exercises had to be conducted on the territory of the LNR along with the fighters of New Russia !!!
    1. xXx__SET__xXx
      xXx__SET__xXx 16 September 2017 21: 30
      +1
      where am I going to record
      1. ydjin
        ydjin 17 September 2017 06: 42
        0
        Quote: xXx__SET__xXx
        where am I going to record

        Write me the same thing!
  36. mariichka
    mariichka 16 September 2017 23: 18
    0
    The worst thing for s will begin when we blow up a super volcano with just one megaton type nuclear charge, when it falls asleep, and then China and I fuck so that all of North America goes under water.
    1. ydjin
      ydjin 17 September 2017 06: 46
      0
      Quote: little Marichka
      The worst thing for s will begin when we blow up a super volcano with just one megaton type nuclear charge, when it falls asleep, and then China and I fuck so that all of North America goes under water.

      Well, it won’t go under water, it’s just to blow up several nuclear charges on the littoral and New York and Norfolk will wash off tsunamis up to 100 meters high, and much more.
  37. BORIS YAGUDIN
    BORIS YAGUDIN 17 September 2017 06: 01
    +2
    NATO does the same as Hitler advanced towards the USSR ....
  38. Russian we
    Russian we 17 September 2017 06: 34
    +1
    Is there a new drang nah?
    1. xXx__SET__xXx
      xXx__SET__xXx 17 September 2017 11: 09
      +2
      and he did not grow old
  39. Offspring
    Offspring 17 September 2017 11: 52
    +1
    As modern history teaches, saving a defeated enemy is not an act of mercy, but stupidity.
  40. Hadji Murat
    Hadji Murat 17 September 2017 17: 58
    +1
    the transition of the APU to the side of Russia? only with a white flag and in an unfit state ... prisoners will also have to be fed and guarded .....
  41. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 17 September 2017 20: 19
    +1
    Let them not even dream of attacking! It will be the 3rd world war and the last war in the history of mankind. They will make us bad - all will die !!! Let everyone remember this, buried in Russian open spaces! If we don’t live, it means no one lives! Let 3.14 dora always remember this!
  42. Verkhomnapule
    Verkhomnapule 18 September 2017 09: 23
    0
    All this is chatter, there will be no such clashes as in the Great Patriotic War, everyone understands this, if God forbid, kipish will begin, nobody will ever know about the winners !!! (God save RUSSIA !!!)
  43. Altona
    Altona 18 September 2017 20: 57
    +3
    Quote: NIKNN
    Well, how else if we concede NATO 3 times if so modestly, but I think once in 8 = 10

    -----------------------
    My grandfather Zinoviev Nikita Zinovievich was wounded 4 (!) Times and was killed in the Bialystok operation on July 5, 1944. He was buried in the village of Pekalin, Smolevichi district. Only 5 times they could kill him. So if modest.