"Triumph" for NATO

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For the first time since 2008, Russia and Turkey have signed a contract for the supply of military products. Previously, Russian enterprises have repeatedly supplied the Turkish army with certain systems, but over the past few years, such contracts have not been signed. In addition, in the autumn of 2015, in response to the perfidious attack of the Turkish Air Force, Russia temporarily ceased any cooperation in the military sphere. The situation gradually stabilized, and now the two countries are ready to resume cooperation. This was confirmed by the appearance of a new contract.

On Tuesday 12 September, the first reports appeared in the Turkish and then in the Russian press in the context of the new agreement. The media quoted Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, who said that he had recently signed a contract to supply Triumph C-400 anti-aircraft missile systems. Also, the head of state noted that the first installment had already been made on this contract. In the future, according to the Turkish president, Russia will have to issue a loan to the partner.



Soon the press service of the Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation confirmed the fact of signing a contract for the supply of air defense missile systems. However, she did not specify the details of this agreement. Priority right to comment on the agreement The service left the customer. At the same time, she stressed that the new contract is in line with Russia's geopolitical interests.



After the first reports of the signing of the contract, some of its details were published. Thus, the Kommersant publication, using its unnamed sources in military-political circles, was able to obtain a number of additional information about the treaty. According to these sources, the contract for the supply of C-400 systems was the result of political agreements at the highest level. Negotiations on the future agreement were presidents Recep Erdogan and Vladimir Putin. The heads of state discussed this issue during their meetings this spring. It was the participation of the presidents that made it possible to solve all problems and sign a contract within a year after the start of negotiations.

According to Kommersant, the new contract involves the delivery of four divisions of the Triumph complexes. The total value of these products will exceed 2 billion US dollars. Considering the value of the contract, the publication recalls a similar agreement with China. The same four C-400 divisions cost the Chinese treasury 1,9 billion dollars. In addition, this contract was signed only after three years of negotiations.

Sources of Kommersant claim that the current situation with the export contract has several specific features. Thus, the agreement does not mention the allocation of credit for Turkey, which leads to the need for additional negotiations on a separate agreement. In addition, the Turkish side wants not only to get ready-made anti-aircraft complexes, but also to adjust their production at their enterprises. Transferring a number of critical technologies to a NATO member state does not seem appropriate. Nevertheless, the possibility of some localization of production is not excluded yet.

The delivery dates have not yet been officially announced, but certain assessments have already appeared on this subject. According to known data, the Almaz-Antey aerospace defense concern is currently engaged in the production of Triumph complexes for the Russian armed forces. Next year, the assembly of similar systems will begin as part of the Chinese order. Production facilities of the concern are loaded until the very end of the decade. Thus, the construction of air defense missile systems for Turkey can begin only after a few years.

The configuration of export complexes ordered by Turkey has not yet been clarified. The C-400 air defense system includes a significant number of various components, both ground-based weapons and anti-aircraft guided missiles. Which products and in what quantities will be sent to a foreign customer is not reported.

Quite quickly, the Russian-Turkish agreement was criticized by third countries. First on such news reacted the United States. The spokesman for the US military, Johnny Michael, said that Washington has already brought to Ankara its concern about the new contract. In addition, he noted that the best option for Turkey would be an anti-aircraft system that meets NATO standards.

The answer was not long in coming. Soon RT Erdogan in a rigid manner commented on the position of the Pentagon. He stated that Turkey intends to make important decisions on its own, and will do so in the future. “We ourselves are masters in our home,” the Turkish president concluded his comment. The response from the United States has not yet followed.

The new contract for the supply of C-400 "Triumph" is of interest for a number of reasons. As already noted, this is the first time since 2008, when Turkey orders Russian weapons and equipment. In addition, C-400 has not yet had time to become a massive export commodity. At the moment, these complexes are only available in Russia, and in the foreseeable future China will also appear. Turkey, in turn, will become the third largest operator of Triumph in the world, as well as the first among the NATO countries.

The Russian-Turkish agreement can also be considered a point in the protracted stories on the purchase of Ankara anti-aircraft complexes. For a long time, the Turkish armed forces wished to acquire modern foreign-made air defense systems. Over the next few years, the potential customer got acquainted with commercial offers and chose the most profitable. It did not go without problems of a political nature.

From a certain time, Turkey began to lean toward Russian and Chinese-made systems, but this was immediately followed by a reaction from overseas. Washington warned Ankara against such a choice, threatening with possible technical and organizational problems. Turkey offered to get out of this situation with the help of supplies of US Patriot air defense systems, but this option did not suit foreign partners.

In 2013, the Turkish army chose the winner of the competition. In accordance with its decision, in the very near future a contract was to appear for the supply of Chinese HQ-9 systems, partly resembling Russian C-300P systems. The decisive competitive advantage of the HQ-9 air defense system was the relatively low price and the readiness of China to transfer technology for the assembly of equipment in Turkey. However, a firm contract was never signed, which is why the Turkish authorities again had to choose a supplier.

In the middle of last year, new negotiations were launched, during which Russia was a potential supplier. The subject of the future contract was to become the newest C-400 complexes, the export of which was allowed only a few years ago. Negotiations were conducted at the highest level, which made it possible to speed up the necessary processes. Thanks to this, the supply agreement was signed less than a year after the start of consultations. This can be considered a real record.

It should be noted that negotiations on the new contract started immediately after the improvement of relations between the two countries. Recall, after the attack by the Turkish fighter of the Russian bomber, which ended with the death of one of our pilots, Moscow turned off all cooperation with Ankara in the military field. According to the results of the well-known domestic and foreign policy events of the recent past, Turkey was forced to do everything possible to restore cooperation. To date, its actions have led to the appearance of a contract for the supply of anti-aircraft systems.

Published in recent days, information shows that the new deal is beneficial to the Russian side for a number of reasons. First of all, this is another replenishment of orders' portfolios, bringing money to industry and the state. It is noteworthy that the "Turkish" contract is significantly more expensive than the previous "Chinese", and in addition, Turkey will purchase equipment on credit. The economic benefits of this are quite understandable.

Certain issues are the political side of the agreement. Not so long ago, Turkey forced Russia to take a series of harsh measures, but now the situation has changed and the relations of the countries have returned to normal. Nevertheless, since the first information about the possible sale of C-400 appeared, various concerns have been expressed regularly, directly related to the unreliability of Ankara as a military-political partner.

Nevertheless, as noted by the Russian Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation, the signed contract fully meets the interests of Russia. This means that even before the start of negotiations, the Russian side assessed all the consequences of a possible deal and made conclusions. The Turkish authorities did not receive a refusal, which indicates that there are no risks for Russian interests.

The prerequisites for the emergence of a new Russian-Turkish contract and its consequences will long be a topic of discussion and dispute. You should also expect different estimates and assumptions in the context of the timing of the order, its technical aspects, etc. And only one fact, directly following from the presence of the Turkish order, is beyond doubt. Russia maintains a leading position in the international market for air defense systems and is not going to give up its positions. The next order - all the more, received from the NATO country - will only strengthen the position of the Russian industry, as well as serve as an advertisement addressed to potential customers.


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  1. +10
    14 September 2017 06: 38
    "Triumph" for NATO
    "Russia cannot be understood by the mind ..." (C) Tyutchev. I hope the performance characteristics are very underestimated ... about the "bookmarks" silently, "not our method" (C) ... what's going on ... maybe we'll buy a dozen "arly burks"? Merikos rivet them famously ... and what-international cooperation ...!
    1. +3
      14 September 2017 06: 57
      Quote: Dead Day
      maybe buy a dozen "arly burks"?


      About Berkov cool!

      Comment plus!
    2. +1
      14 September 2017 07: 24
      Quote: Dead Day
      I hope the performance characteristics are greatly underestimated

      I don’t think, since no one would have bought them at all. The system has not been tested, except that it has not shown itself anywhere in exemplary exercises. In addition, advertising TTX may be "slightly" exaggerated.
      1. +4
        14 September 2017 07: 54
        Quote: MadCat
        Quote: Dead Day
        I hope the performance characteristics are greatly underestimated

        I don’t think, since no one would have bought them at all. The system has not been tested, except that it has not shown itself anywhere in exemplary exercises. In addition, advertising TTX may be "slightly" exaggerated.

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        The fact that the performance characteristics are "understated" and "different from the base" is "do not go to a fortuneteller." This has been done for a long time (after the Egyptian "friend" Sadat handed over the S-70 to the Yankees and the air defense system had to be urgently modernized). After that they began to make "export" versions ("Square" for "Cuba", "Pechora" - for "Neva", etc.)
        As for the fact that no one will buy .... Well, here, "Ostap suffered ....." !!! And what are the best alternatives (at least by the criterion of "cost / effectiveness") ??? Do not call?
        And finally: ".... In addition, advertising TTX may be" slightly "exaggerated ....". More likely "underestimated" !! Do you think that EVERYTHING is in the "open press" and laid out "on a silver platter" ?? Yeah - as much as 2 times !!! If they publish something, then most likely the parameters are of the “export” version .... In addition, there are parameters that are NOT PUBLISHED (target selection algorithms (including against a background of interference), reserve frequencies, signal encodings etc.). Somewhere like that!
        1. +3
          14 September 2017 09: 15
          Quote: venik
          The fact that the performance characteristics are "understated" and "different from the base" is "do not go to a fortuneteller." This has been done for a long time (after the Egyptian "friend" Sadat handed over the S-70 to the Yankees and the air defense system had to be urgently modernized). After that they began to make "export" versions ("Square" for "Cuba", "Pechora" - for "Neva", etc.)

          In addition to the complexes themselves, there are also missiles that are not exported. For example, 9M96M (non-export) and 40N6E.
          In this case, one must understand that Triumphs are long-range interception systems. And the Triumph in conjunction with the TOPs and BUKs is most effective, since with a massive missile strike, it is the TOPs and BUKs that will intercept low-flying KR. The counteraction to a massive attack by cruise missiles is not a zonal, but a regional air defense system with the massive use of dispersed short-range air defense systems like BUK and TOR.
          Yes, and cover the Triumphs on the near approaches with something necessary, for example, with the same Carapace. But the Turks purchased only the Triumphs, and how effective they are without covering air defense systems of medium and short range are not clear.
          1. +2
            14 September 2017 09: 48
            This is what I wanted to say. If you sold the S-400 with 40H6, then you are fools, if you bought a S-400 without 40N6, all the more fools
            1. ZVO
              0
              14 September 2017 11: 02
              Quote: sivuch
              This is what I wanted to say. If you sold the S-400 with 40H6, then you are fools, if you bought a S-400 without 40N6, all the more fools


              40H6 - does not yet exist "in fact."
              Adopting it before 2020 is unlikely.
              1. +3
                14 September 2017 12: 18
                then - Yes, let them take it away! (c / f Ivan Vasilievich changes his profession)
                Seriously, without these two products (9M96 and 40N6) 400 didn’t go that far from its predecessor. But, nevertheless, how justified the sale in this case is, I don’t know, I can’t understand from the sofa.
                1. 5-9
                  0
                  14 September 2017 15: 51
                  So the S-400 could be called the S-300PMU2 type .... this is the S-300 on a new element base.
                2. 0
                  15 September 2017 17: 20
                  Quote: sivuch
                  Seriously, without these two products (9M96 and 40N6) 400 did not go so far from its predecessor.

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                  Dear "sivuch" - THERE is a matter of "not rockets", more precisely - NOT ALL in rockets- THERE is a matter of ALGORITHMS !!!!! In Information Processing Systems !!!!! And this is a TOTAL OTHER Story !!!!!
            2. +2
              14 September 2017 12: 31
              SAM 40N6 is not an export missile, limited by an agreement on a missile technology control regime (MTCR) banning the export of missiles with a range of more than 300 km.
              Accordingly, only exports go: SAM 48N6E2 - 200 km .; 9M96E2 - 120 km .; 9M100 - 15 km. (here you have Three echelons)
              + KP ACS Baikal-E
          2. ZVO
            0
            14 September 2017 11: 50
            Quote: NEXUS
            Quote: venik
            The fact that the performance characteristics are "understated" and "different from the base" is "do not go to a fortuneteller." This has been done for a long time (after the Egyptian "friend" Sadat handed over the S-70 to the Yankees and the air defense system had to be urgently modernized). After that they began to make "export" versions ("Square" for "Cuba", "Pechora" - for "Neva", etc.)

            In addition to the complexes themselves, there are also missiles that are not exported. For example, 9M96M (non-export) and 40N6E.
            In this case, one must understand that Triumphs are long-range interception systems. And the Triumph in conjunction with the TOPs and BUKs is the most effective, since with a massive missile strike, it is the TOPs and BUKs that will intercept low-flying KR.


            In this case, purchases by Turkey - the following tasks are assigned to the purchase of S-400:
            1. ABM of critical facilities. It is ABM, not air defense.
            2. Receiving military technology from Russia. After all, 2 complexes are bought in the Russian Federation, and 2 complexes will be produced in Turkey.
            This is common geopolitics. For her, 2.5 billion dollars is not such a big waste.
            Turkey is slowly leaving NATO. It is becoming an outcast among NATO.
            She has an independent policy. She is Islamized. In the EU, it will never be accepted.
            Accordingly, the need to become tied to NATO standards for the next 50 years is becoming less and less.
            Torah and Buki in this case they do not need.

            They will not have a full-fledged war neither with Europe, nor with the Arabs.
            Arabs are weak.
            Europe is tearing inside.
            The Russian Federation will not be at war with them due to the same geopolitics.
            Construction of a nuclear power plant for Russian money.
            Construction of a gas pipeline for Russian money.
            The "shooting" factor of the Black Sea is absolutely for all parties.
            Not only ours can shoot the World Cup, but also the Turks.
            The fleet of the Turks is much stronger than the Russian Black Sea Fleet.
            Plus straits in their property.

            The only real opponent in Turkey that can kick their ass in 2-3 days is Israel.
            They really can plan a fleeting operation. which will completely disarm Turkey.
            1. 5-9
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              14 September 2017 15: 55
              If the Turks needed a missile defense system, then they would have wanted a S-300VM (aka Antey-2500). Although it is much more expensive.
              That's why he is to the Egyptians - it is not clear. From Jewish nuclear weapons on the BRMD / BRDS defend themselves?
              1. ZVO
                0
                14 September 2017 18: 19
                Quote: 5-9
                If the Turks needed a missile defense system, then they would have wanted a S-300VM (aka Antey-2500). Although it is much more expensive.


                Antey-2500 is definitely not for sale to anyone ...
            2. +1
              14 September 2017 17: 05
              Quote: ZVO
              The only real opponent in Turkey that can kick their ass in 2-3 days is Israel.

              oh how! unless by using nuclear weapons, which Israel doesn’t seem to have, but actually has. and even then, in this situation, the Jews of Kranta - the Turks will reach Israel through Syria in a day and kill everyone and everything, including all who will interfere along the way.
              1. ZVO
                0
                14 September 2017 17: 47
                Quote: protoss
                Quote: ZVO
                The only real opponent in Turkey that can kick their ass in 2-3 days is Israel.

                oh how! unless by using nuclear weapons, which Israel doesn’t seem to have, but actually has. and even then, in this situation, the Jews of Kranta - the Turks will reach Israel through Syria in a day and kill everyone and everything, including all who will interfere along the way.


                Would you look at the composition of the air defense Turkish then ...
                They do not just buy not only complexes (by the way, not only S-400, but also Aster-30 at the same time as ours), but they also buy the right to technology and the right to manufacture on their territory.
                And they pay a lot for this.
                And the history of Israeli Air Force operations would be the same for you to see ... For one Medvedka you can put a monument .. For the destruction of the Iraqi reactor as well.
                1. +1
                  14 September 2017 18: 16
                  it would not hurt you to look at the story wider to understand who the Turks are and who are the Jews before talking about "kick your ass."
                  1. ZVO
                    +1
                    14 September 2017 18: 24
                    Quote: protoss
                    it would not hurt you to look at the story wider to understand who the Turks are and who are the Jews before talking about "kick your ass."


                    I look great at the modern history of military operations.
                    No need to look further than the last 70 years.
                    What did the Turks do and what did the Israelites do.
                    Israelis are 2 heads ahead of everyone in the region.
                    Especially the difference in the heads.
                    And the Israelis are able to decapitate the whole huge Turkish car really in one day.
                    There are no authorities for them.
                    What their gloss operations confirm.
                    1. +3
                      14 September 2017 18: 33
                      Quote: ZVO
                      And the Israelis are able to decapitate the whole huge Turkish car really in one day.

                      they cannot decapitate hezbollah yet.
                      Quote: ZVO
                      Israelis are 2 heads ahead of everyone in the region.

                      so far only Arabs, and even then 40 years ago, everything else is speculation and speculation.
          3. 5-9
            0
            14 September 2017 15: 50
            Beeches of the Kyrgyz Republic low-flying are not very intercepting. TOPs are generally very expensive and on the chassis - for NE. The K-S-400 will intercept well with the tower, but the missiles of the road and the sewage system will clog, it’s certainly better to have tight armor.
            I think that the task of knocking down a lot of missiles in front of the Turks is not worth it, they would have an anti-aircraft air defense system of airborne databases and SDs ... they have the same old Usov. Hawk.
      2. 0
        18 September 2017 13: 11
        Demonstration exercises and actual combat use are completely different things. But in general, it has long been proven in practice that the life of an air defense unit is 1-2 days maximum. Enemy aircraft will decide everything remotely and with a large number of used missiles against locators.
    3. +2
      14 September 2017 07: 57
      Quote: Dead Day
      silently about "bookmarks" - "not our method"

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      You think so? In your place would not be SO CATEGORY !!
      1. +2
        14 September 2017 13: 10
        In-in. I am sure that ALL air defense systems sold abroad (and not only them) contain “bookmarks” that allow, if not disconnecting, then at least complicating the work of friendly forces. Otherwise, you can get in the ass family S-400
    4. +1
      14 September 2017 08: 59
      Something "not our method"? What are we worse than the French? lol
    5. +2
      14 September 2017 15: 09
      Quote: Dead Day
      silently about "bookmarks" - "not our method"

      why? in war, any means are good! Yes and + 100500 to the capabilities of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in which case
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    1. +4
      14 September 2017 08: 51
      Quote from rudolf
      Over a certain transaction amount or for specific types of weapons - approval by the lower house of the Duma

      Great idea, colleague.
      The national leader agreed to decide whether the military contractor should be written off, Yanuk three billion to throw, Mandura, who else is there. And heir Volodin such "Oops, what the hell?" and impeachment at once, and then Attorney General Seagull such "Is there a rollback?" And a criminal right there, in the national leader’s pre-trial detention center. So it will be, of course, garbage question.
    2. +3
      14 September 2017 09: 00
      Our Duma will approve anything. At least in its current composition
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        1. +3
          14 September 2017 10: 15
          Definitely - at least Zhirik speaks to the camera to raise the rating! And it so happens that, in order to please their Turkish stream, they are ready to do anything - and build nuclear power plants at their own expense and, at their own expense, install the latest air defense systems, and even with technology! But the exit point of this stream has not yet been approved. That is, the pipeline is being laid, and where they will take it out - there is still no information. So Erdogan keeps friend Vlad for a causal place, knocking out any buns!
      2. +3
        14 September 2017 11: 00

        In Russia, the Duma is almost entirely an advisory body, without real power, which is why they recruit athletes like Nikolai Voluyev, singers, actors and other showmen there, if only the people would be pleased to contemplate familiar faces in power. The president has all power in Russia.
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          1. 0
            14 September 2017 13: 58
            What is the difference between competent or not, if they have practically no authority, except how to put forward a "legislative" initiative?
            The entire government of the country is in the hands of the president of Russia and the government (which the president appoints, and as a result, only this government is directly subordinate to him).
        2. +3
          14 September 2017 16: 01
          Quote: Großer Feldherr
          The president has all power in Russia.

          in the current situation - far from the worst option. they won’t put the president in Moldova and in x ... (although there is a slightly different state structure there). but the fact itself
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    3. 0
      14 September 2017 09: 51
      If we needed the approval of our Duma, then Russia would not be able to conclude a single contract for the entire time of its existence .... It is easier to immediately ask permission from the US State Department ...
  3. +2
    14 September 2017 08: 23
    Negotiations on a future agreement were led by Presidents Recep Erdogan and Vladimir Putin


    Hmm, and who remembers who is the traitor of the Motherland here today?
    Some of the musicians retired, sort of? Or are there some kind of directors? I follow this a little.

    US Military Department spokesman Johnny Michael says Washington has already raised concerns with Ankara about a new contract


    Well, at least Johnny takes care of Russian state secrets, how many are still there. It seems like a trifle, but it’s warm in my soul.

    Nevertheless, as noted by the Russian Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation, the signed contract fully meets the interests of Russia. This means that even before the start of negotiations, the Russian side assessed all the consequences of a possible deal and made conclusions. The Turkish authorities did not receive a refusal, which indicates that there are no risks for Russian interests.

    But it seems to me alone that the activities of various services in the sense of so-called Russian interests in recent years somewhat reminiscent of the liquidation of the warehouse?
  4. +3
    14 September 2017 09: 00
    It is noteworthy that the "Turkish" contract is much more expensive than the previous "Chinese", and in addition, Turkey will purchase equipment on credit. The economic benefits of this are understandable.
    Significantly more expensive - it's only 5% (2 billion against 1.9) ?! this is normal for people with arithmetic ... Well, the economic benefits of a loan, to the detriment of living money, are extremely doubtful - because the loan is issued by us, and not by a third party! Again, technology transfer is not denied. In fact, it certainly smacks of betrayal of national interests
    1. 0
      14 September 2017 09: 57
      Our economy snuffles at the expense of foreign orders ... without selling arms, we all glue fins ... even the USSR with an economy closed to itself sold weapons ..
      Most likely this contract is a concession to Turkey at the expense of the downed plane ...
      After this transaction, Turkish tomatoes will be allowed to enter our market.
      1. +4
        14 September 2017 11: 12
        Foreign orders, this is only $ 12 billion profit, which against the background of $ 500 billion export of the country is not just a drop in the ocean, but the level of statistical error. The military-industrial complex has never been the locomotive of either industry or the economy of the country, and demanding this from is simply stupid.
        The betrayal of national interests on the face, for the sake of momentary profit, jeopardizes the defense ability, which in the long run is much more expensive.
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  5. 0
    14 September 2017 11: 10
    well damn, xs. it's the Turks ... then they will block the whole sky of Syria. I understand, of course, that in case of a counter with them we will have something to pay off our four hundred, but the allied partners will not have such an opportunity ...
  6. +2
    14 September 2017 11: 21
    To get our hands on the S-400 air defense system is a triumph for NATO and high treason in Russia!
    1. 0
      14 September 2017 12: 44
      Quote: Msta
      To get our hands on the S-400 air defense system is a triumph for NATO and high treason in Russia!


      At one time, they sold several X-31s, which the Americans used as targets, to work out a reflection of the RCC attack.
      The Americans developed a relatively simple means of confronting them: they used the achievements of systems already put in service - an infrared homing head from a Stinger MANPADS (modified), a rocket engine, a warhead and an AIM-9 Sidewinder air-to-air missile fuse.
      As a result, developing SAM systems RAM
      Missile defense RAM is a supersonic rapid response ammunition, operating on the principle of "shot - forgot." Allows you to destroy targets flying at supersonic speeds, cruise missiles, as well as helicopters, surface ships. Dual-mode missile with infrared homing (GOS).

      1. +1
        14 September 2017 13: 24
        Everything would be fine ... but the trouble is - the SAM air defense system was developed in the first half of the 80s and began to be put on ships in the late 80s. The complex is considered combat ready since 1992.
        The X-31 missile, more precisely, the MA-31 target, was delivered to the United States in 1994.
        1. +2
          14 September 2017 15: 58
          Quote: Alexey RA
          Everything would be fine ... but the trouble is - the SAM air defense system was developed in the first half of the 80s and began to be put on ships in the late 80s. The complex is considered combat ready since 1992.
          The X-31 missile, more precisely, the MA-31 target, was delivered to the United States in 1994.

          And you think I don’t know when RAM began to be developed?

          The uniqueness of RAM is that its effectiveness was tested on a real target, roughly speaking, against which it was created.
          If the complex were ideally effective, its next modification Block-2 would not have appeared.
          If our Navy had the opportunity to purchase several Harpoons and, following the results of exercises reflecting the attack of real means of attack, develop new requirements for defense means, this would be an invaluable experience.
          1. +3
            14 September 2017 19: 27
            Quote: DimerVladimer
            If our Navy had the opportunity to purchase several Harpoons and, following the results of exercises reflecting the attack of real means of attack, develop new requirements for defense means, this would be an invaluable experience.

            Our Navy has its own X-35. Suspiciously reminiscent of the performance characteristics and general design of the PU overseas "Harpoon". wink
            1. +1
              15 September 2017 15: 00
              Quote: Alexey RA
              Our Navy has its own X-35. Suspiciously reminiscent of the performance characteristics and general design of the PU overseas "Harpoon".


              The most interesting thing - not the rocket itself - guidance algorithms, only practical launches, can prove the effectiveness of countermeasures (directors of passive and active interference) and interception tools.
      2. 5-9
        0
        14 September 2017 15: 56
        Khmmm ... do you really believe that RAM can hit the X-31, and if it does, will it make a big difference?
        1. 0
          14 September 2017 18: 26
          Much will change. To give the United States the latest air defense system of the Russian Federation is treason, and Turkey is a NATO country.
          1. 0
            20 September 2017 01: 09
            And we are building them a nuclear power plant, what the hell? lol
            1. 0
              20 September 2017 12: 19
              And what's good, especially since we are building it again on credit, with the filing of Bandera’s Kiriyenko, but this loan will not be returned to Russia by NATO, consider the money stolen from Russia ...
        2. 0
          15 September 2017 15: 04
          Quote: 5-9
          Khmmm ... do you really believe that RAM can hit the X-31, and if it does, will it make a big difference?


          I would not be sure that Western engineers are eating their bread in vain ...
          I believe that in the west, decisions on putting into service, the purchase of RAM systems - were also not taken from the ceiling ...
  7. +2
    14 September 2017 12: 24
    the new contract involves the supply of four divisions of the Triumph complexes. The total value of these products will exceed $ 2 billion. Considering the cost of the contract, the publication recalls a similar agreement with China. The same four S-400 divisions cost the Chinese treasury $ 1,9 billion


    The current rate for copying systems is 4 divisions of topics and topics.
    The complexes are aging, not selling, no matter what they are copied, it makes no sense - it is logical to use the funds received to continue developing and improving the complex.
    1. +1
      14 September 2017 18: 28
      It is possible to sell, but not to NATO countries, and it is advisable to sell S-300s that were decommissioned from the Russian air defense after repairs, replacing them with S-400s in their armed forces, and not sell what is not yet plainly in your own army, and even to a potential enemy !
  8. 0
    14 September 2017 14: 22
    Ai-wai-wai !! ''
  9. +2
    14 September 2017 16: 03
    How strange is it that they regularly go to the top var, give incomplete information "more optimism"?
    Whereas according to some reports, Turkey is solving its current needs with 4 divisions, but for the future:

    Along with the purchase of the S-400, Turkey signed an agreement in July with the Eurosam European consortium on joint development and production in Turkey of an air defense and missile defense system based on the SAMP / T system with Aster 15 and Aster 30 anti-aircraft guided missiles, reminded the Drum. “It is precisely on this program that Turkey apparently makes the main long-term stake in the development of the national air defense system,” the expert said.


    Read more at RBC:
    http://www.rbc.ru/politics/13/09/2017/59b7c92b9a7
    9476546237705? From = center_17

    So do not naively believe that Turkey "fell" into the arms of Rosoboronexport.
    1. +1
      14 September 2017 17: 11
      the fact of the matter is that the Turks do not need foreign weapons, they need technology. they have developed for themselves and will launch short-range (Hisar-a) and medium (Hisar-o) air defense into production. their plug with a long-range air defense system (accordingly, it would probably be called hisar-yu). It is for its development that we need contracts for aster and c400.
    2. 0
      20 September 2017 01: 12
      RBC ... is it not the RBC that urgently changed the site design, so that it would not give so much to rbk.ua with the editors from Radio Liberty? laughing
  10. +1
    14 September 2017 18: 37
    Well done Turks, however, with whom will the C400 fight? All who are not with the 5th generation. We consider: all countries around and Russia, including so far it has 5 not working. So, if something goes wrong with Aster (remembering Sadam), here are those and C400.
  11. +3
    18 September 2017 13: 07
    "The transfer of some of the most important technologies to a NATO member country does not seem appropriate" Well, it is very mildly said! And plain text is a betrayal. Well, let them sell a cat in a bag that has never been tested in combat.
  12. 0
    20 September 2017 01: 13
    Quote: kuz363
    "The transfer of some of the most important technologies to a NATO member country does not seem appropriate" Well, it is very mildly said! And plain text is a betrayal. Well, let them sell a cat in a bag that has never been tested in combat.

    Well, probably sitting on the couch consider yourself the smartest? lol
  13. +16
    24 September 2017 10: 52
    According to Kommersant, the new contract involves the supply of four divisions of the Triumph complexes
    Can they give them the keys to the apartment, where is the money?
    Error bordering crime
    Turkey is the centuries-old enemy of Russia and Slavs, this time.
    The country of NATO is two.
    And in combination - a provocateur, these are three.
    Yes, the story of two years ago does not teach anything

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