Media: between the Russian Federation and Iran, there are deep contradictions in the Syrian campaign

According to the blog information bmpd, the French Internet portal Intelligence online reports on the serious disagreements between Moscow and Tehran that emerged at the end of August of this year regarding the future strategy in the Syrian campaign.

This is a meeting held 28 August 2017 year in the military department of the SAR, which, in addition to the Syrian military (which was represented, among other things, the brother of Syrian President Bashar Assad - Maher Asad, the Republican Guard, and Chief of General Staff Ali Abdullah Ayub) , was attended by the commanders of the Russian and Iranian contingents.

It is alleged that the head of the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC), Kassem Suleymani, “fiercely insisted on a change of strategy”, which he has been striving for since 2016. In his opinion, it is necessary to create a numerous militarized structure “Guardians of the Republic” - the Syrian counterpart of the IRGC. Sulejamni expects to replenish its composition at the expense of the army units. As a support to the activities of the new entity should act militias, modeled on Iran's Basij militia. Iraqi Shiites, Afghan Hazaras and members of the Lebanese Hezbollah movement are expected to be introduced into this militia, which will make it possible to expand the ethnic basis of government forces.

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At the same time representing the Russian side, Lieutenant General Sergei Rudskoy disagreed with the Iranian proposal. He defended the need to preserve the existing organization of troops, the backbone of which is the army corps. At the same time, the general stated the need to re-equip a number of buildings with new equipment, expand the composition of elite troops and involve private military companies of Russian origin to protect strategic facilities in Syrian territory. The latter would give the opportunity to concentrate the troops of the Russian Federation on more important theaters.

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[Smoked]

The French media regularly issue such nonsense, to be honest.

[Finches]

Persians, even those partners! But, unlike Arabs, wars are normal.

[mvg]

unlike Arabs, normal wars

Is it written in Vesipedia? Iran-Iraq war does not mean anything? Or has something changed since then?

[Skif83]

Persians are definitely better than Arabs!
Arabs, the essence, the Semitic people!
Suggest more Semites ...? Many believe them?
Another thing is that if Russia feeds Syria, then it should dance in the first place!

[geon]

Yeah, who pays and dances girl

[protoss]

the Persians were normal warriors under the Achaemenids, and since then have not shown anything outstanding (even during their renaissance under the Sassanids). it is no coincidence that they did not even have serious statehood until the 20th century.

[Hammer]

Yes, even if there were still discussions in reality, nothing out of the ordinary happened. Such disputes are normal. There is a normal discussion of further action strategies. It’s a world backstage trying to drive a wedge into allied relations along the Moscow-Damascus-Tehran line with such throws and thereby, if not split, at least somehow weaken the coalition we are leading ... In general, no one canceled the information war.
In any case, in this trio the word goes beyond Moscow.

[DEfindER]

It seems to me a fake of pure water, the Iranians cannot offer such nonsense, take only Shiites to the police when most of the Syrian population is Sunni, it's just suicide ..

[arane]

Quote: Smoked

The French media regularly issue such nonsense, to be honest.

To be honest, something like this was to be expected. Iran has never been and never will be our faithful ally. Just like their hezbola. The United States has always been a big shaitan for them, and Russia is small.
Iran will always play its game to dominate the region in the political and religious sphere

[Maz]

More like an edited stuffing. Franks are trying to save the situation from the loss of influence, interests and authority in the region. All Arabs remembered Libya and the betrayal of France that pinned one hundred and forty billion Libyan money in dollars. Franks launder and launder. There is no confidence in their banks now.

[73bor]

The IRGC is not only military force, it is something akin to the “masons” brotherhood, the IRGC concluded the agreement with the Americans on Boeing, and nothing!

[donavi49]

Well, there are two ways.

GS - focuses on the "academic" basis.
Suleymani - focuses more on the local mentality.

And what works better is far from clear. For example, the academy-built army of Iraq - at one time staged a record race, abandoning everything. And the situation was saved only by the ersatz "Basiji" - which, on the other hand, were very much overkill on the ground from which, in the Islamic State and the Sunni anti-government groups - the Sunnis fled in droves.

At the same time, militias of the Iranian pattern showed themselves poorly in defensive battles in the province of Aleppo. Often throwing positions at their discretion.

[The black]

According to the bmpd blog information,

Well, yes, they were directly present at the meeting and they’ll tell you everything.

[Siberia55]

Well, yes, they were directly present at the meeting and they’ll tell everything wassat

I’m also perplexed: According to the bmpd blog, the French Internet portal Intelligence online reports
And there is such a serious discussion of the problem on the branch.
And let’s rely on “classmates”, as an unshakable, exhaustive resource to rely on and discuss!

[Normal ok]

Quote: Siberia55

Well, yes, they were directly present at the meeting and they’ll tell everything wassat

I’m also perplexed: According to the bmpd blog, the French Internet portal Intelligence online reports
And there is such a serious discussion of the problem on the branch.
And let’s rely on “classmates”, as an unshakable, exhaustive resource to rely on and discuss!

Carefully review the news / opinions / analytics of the Military Review. Here many authors of articles draw inspiration from such sources.

[Siberia55]

Yes, I noticed. But I could not keep silent. Tales from the crypt, damn it.

[Solomon Kane]

The level of ambitions of the Persian general, and only .... There are more than enough arguments in favor of the Russian military doctrine, but Uncle Seryozha of the Rudsky “enemy” among the ardent Persian guys has made himself .....

[hydrox]

In general, you are right, of course, but I would shift the focus to the political side.
Neither ours nor Assad really need a powerful force that has a religious kneading that can always show disobedience or pursue other goals that do not coincide with the strategic General Plan of the Russian (and Syrian!) Command.

[voyaka uh]

Iranians promote the continued presence of their
armed forces in Syria. Some military-police expeditionary force.
But the Russians understand that it is not the Syrians who will command this corps, but themselves
Iranians. And Russian generals will be ousted from the command of operations in Syria.
Such frictions were already with the capture of the city of Aleppo. Russians believe that this
their merit, and the Iranians, that is theirs.

[Eugene-Eugene]

The issue of the formation of multi-ethnic Basij can be seen and Iran's application for "export of the revolution"

[Solomon Kane]

..... as usual - at the end of the war share the laurels of Victory. Did they (the Persians) learn from the stripes this method?

[Topotun]

Why is it not clear? Police units do not roll against the regular army. There is neither a normal organization, nor a desire to move away from your area of ​​residence. In vain after the Civil War I.V. threw all his strength into a normal army? We need Arim, and not a bunch of armed people at war, do not understand why.

[Hammer]

Quote: donavi49

... For example, the academy-built army of Iraq - at one time staged a record race, throwing everything ...

Well, I would not be so categorical in assessing the "academic" and police form of army formation. The Iraqi army “staged a race”, not because of its form of organization of the armed forces, but because of the banal betrayal of the army’s top commanders. In the army, as in any organism, if the head has died out, then everything else becomes useless biomass. And the Anglo-Saxons did then wise. Why fight a well-organized (albeit technically inferior) army with colossal combat experience, when you can stupidly buy a bunch of generals, and the rest will scatter itself. And so they did. In this regard, the militia type of building the armed forces is tenacious, so it implies a great motivation of the soldiers to resist even in the absence of a clear vertical of power. But such motivation is less, the farther each individual soldier from his village. It is less manageable, more anarchy in the troops. In short, everything can slide into a banal Makhnovism. What our generals in Syria do not want. There are few combat-ready units and there are not enough of them on all fronts. Now the Syrian company is reminiscent of Trishkin Kaftan. So they offer to increase the number of SAA without creating new units (run the police), as Iran suggests, but to increase the number of existing military units with their parallel re-equipment.

[kapitan92]

it is necessary to create the numerous militarized structure “Guardians of the Republic” - the Syrian analogue of the IRGC. Suleiamni expects to replenish its composition at the expense of army units. The militia formed on the model of the Iranian Basij militia should act as a support in the activities of the new entity. It is planned to introduce Iraqi Shiites, Afghan Hazaras and members of the Lebanese Hezbollah movement into this militia, which will make it possible to expand the ethnic basis of government forces.

In my opinion, there is common sense, given that Assad and his supporters less than half the country's population.

Rudskoy strongly disagreed with the Iranian proposal. He defended the need to maintain the existing organization of troops, the backbone of which is the army corps. Moreover, the general called the main task the need to re-equip a number of buildings with new equipment, expand the composition of elite troops and the involvement of private military companies of Russian origin to protect strategic sites in Syrian territory. The latter would make it possible to concentrate the troops of the Russian Federation on more important theater of operations.

And what prevents the combination of these two proposals: the creation of the "police" and the creation of elite units?
I didn’t like the latter, regarding the concentration of troops of the Russian Federation !!!

[aszzz888]

... the French know all the secrets ....

[Tolstoevsky]

judging by the depth of analysis, it is concocted by Pierre Woodman

[nik-karata]

Smiled))))

[pvv113]

reports on serious disagreements between Moscow and Tehran revealed at the end of August this year

And the opinion of Syria that no one cares?

[novel66]

Syrians are now up to their opinions grow and grow

[Monster_Fat]

Well, there is a squabble due to the fact that the Iranians want to create a new Syrian army consisting of various rabble that is of the type “against ISIS,” the main thing is that this rabble would be controlled by the Iranians. In addition, the Iranians are very worried about the "hezbollah" - all the forces are trying to "legalize" it and the creation of a "joint" army is just a good reason for this. Russians naturally oppose them; they do not smile at the prospect of remaining in second or even third roles, after so much effort and money spent in this war. Well, and besides, the Russians rightly doubt the possibility of creating a “common” army and its capacity as any rabble in it will be little controlled and will quickly "quarrel" among themselves ...

[novel66]

very correct accent - either rabble. either army

[voyaka uh]

I agree. To command the "foreign Shiite crossroads" in Syria
there will be Iranians. Russians are out of work. Moreover, in those places where
this corps will be deployed, or there will be a massacre of local Sunnis, or
their "voluntary" transition to the Shiite branch of Islam.
Which will change the religious map of Syria even more.

[_Jack_]

Well, Israel, clearly, is more advantageous for our GS, the strengthening of Iran in the region is not profitable. Here the point of view of Israel and Russia coincides, but this is only for the time being.

[igorra]

Iran, like many others, by inertia still thinks that Russia is weak and will not be able to put the insolents in their place. Over time, we’ll bring everyone to the stall of international law.

[Berkut24]

There is a struggle for the right to control the future Syrian army. Iran does not have new technology, but there are people. It may take a ride against ISIS, but an adversary with a technologically advanced army will crush these partisans without moving closer to the distance of the shot. Syria no longer has so many people; Russia is very reluctant to send its to hell. But there are technical possibilities to keep the enemy at a distance and clear the battlefield so as not to risk people.
I think that in the end, Iran will have to moderate its Wishlist, because Russia will not refuse its bases in Syria, and Iranians will not agree to de facto protect them. Moreover, the Iranians, controlling the Syrian army, will start yet another bombing with Israel, and we need to get into this meat grinder.

[Tektor]

The Iranians want the transformation of secular Syria into an Islamic Republic ... Nu-nu. I think Assad will not agree. Assad needs to create a secular security service and the Republican Guard, assembled from representatives of all movements and faiths.
But the main task now is to break through the corridor to the Iraqi border, as far north as possible. At least at the level of Deir ez-Zor. Perhaps a way of landing a battalion with full weapons, including EW, Octopus, Tigers with Cornets and anti-aircraft (Ptitselov, Arrow-10), directly to the border.

[Egorovich]

And remaking the Soviet army into the Russian present took place without flaws, or what? One Serdyukovschina worth what. One defends his vision, the other expresses a different opinion. Everything is going right.

[Tolstoevsky]

Russia and Iran do not and cannot have unsolvable contradictions. Not that with human beings

[Stirbjorn]

It is planned to introduce Iraqi Shiites, Afghan Hazaras and members of the Lebanese Hezbollah movement into this militia, which will make it possible to expand the ethnic base of government forces ..

But it will narrow the religious component, for the majority of the population of Syria are Sunnis. I’m silent about the attitude of local people to strangers from Afghanistan, Iraq and Lebanon.

[Altona]

In general, to create paramilitary structures on religious grounds in a secular country. The army should serve the people, not Islam or any other denomination.

[nesvobodnye]

“Intelligence online” is certainly a respected kid (in narrow French circles), but should we trust him?

[XXXIII]

Iran probably does not want the coalition to bomb the Syrian army again and wants to create retaliation battalions there, which could start another war there. In another war, Russia will not save, the coalition will simply erase Syria like Iraq!

[anjey]

don’t need la la next fake, they’ll figure it out without the legend ... and without Israel ...

[akims]

This is not a contradiction, ordinary routine.

[Monarchist]

Comrades, as I understand it: the media are not invited to such meetings, and since the question arises: is this a pro-promotion? Cheap duck? Someone’s Wishlist or a conscious stuffing of information
It seems to me that the idea of ​​Suleimani contains a rational kernel and, if desired, you can and NEED TO SEE A COMPROMISE

[Monarchist]

Quote: Altona

retribution, which may unleash a new war there is another. In another war, Russia will not save, the coalition will simply erase Syria like Iraq!
Yet...

That's only in Syria at least 85% of Muslims. True, Hafiz Assad was building a secular state, and now Bashir needs to show tremendous resourcefulness: not to push the “moderates” away from himself, DO NOT quarrel with Iran and Hezbalah and the Kurds, and that’s all MUSLIM

[Geisenberg]

Something smells like deso.

[Vladimir SHajkin]

Such an insider is worth a lot, unless of course it is a “duck” in feathers - uga-ha-ga. In short, if England does not give independence to the states, I will declare war on them.

[Anchonsha]

Well, the Middle East has always been a knot of controversy because of its special significance for all players with the goal of "taking hold" and then influencing all countries. This was primarily achieved by the crappy West, and especially by the "exceptional" ones, but also the most vile, creating IS gangs to destroy Assad. But only Russia and Iran defended Syria as a whole, having both coinciding and non-coinciding interests. I think that Iran would also not want to have American military bases as a neighbor.

[Alex76]

It seems the Zoroastrians are up to something ...