China has announced the creation of an engine that violates the laws of physics

According to information RIA News, Daily Mailreferring to the CCTV-2 channel, reports on the creation in China of a working model of the EmDrive engine, the functioning of which cannot be understood within the framework of energy conservation laws.

Technical details of the development are not disclosed, but it is argued that in the near future the power plant is expected to be tested in space.

EmDrive consists of a magnetron, generating microwaves, and a resonator, which accumulates the energy of their oscillations. Under the action of the engine, a thrust is created, inexplicable by the laws of conservation of energy. As the scientists say, the power plant, designed on the basis of this engine, makes it possible to reduce the flight time to the edge of the Solar system to several months.

As previously pointed out by experts from NASA in their published scientific work, EmDrive really generates a “constant” thrust without spending fuel and generating a directional radiation beam, which, in their opinion, contradicts the law of conservation of momentum.

The concept of motion without a reactive mass ejection contradicts the Newtonian law of conservation of momentum, which states that within a closed system the linear and angular moments remain constant, regardless of changes occurring within this system. Simply put, if an external force is not applied to the body, it is impossible to move it from its place.

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[Olaf Uksimae]

Maybe Newton lied to all of us after he received the apple :).

[edge]

Quote: Olaf Uximae

Maybe Newton lied to all of us after he received the apple :).

but we still have a commission on pseudoscience, just like in the 17th century.

[Per se]

Burn Alchemists !!!Everyone has long known that the earth stands on three pillars, and it is flat ... Everything else is from Satan ...

[dik-nsk]

The concept of motion without reactive mass ejection contradicts the Newtonian law of conservation of momentum

Really what Martian spaceship sawed and copied? )))

[NIKNN]

Quote: dik-nsk

The concept of motion without reactive mass ejection contradicts the Newtonian law of conservation of momentum

Really what Martian spaceship sawed and copied? )))

I didn’t find anything that contradicts Newton’s laws, this time. The law of conservation of energy will also not be violated because the energy most likely comes from the sun or something else came up ...
Such engines (on different principles, photonic ion, etc.) have been used for a long time ..., the issue is low thrust and efficiency, which, subject to the development of science and technology, will improve. And for journalists it would be better to yelp more beautifully ... they would have looked at school physics for a start and would not have interpreted the laws of physics from the point of view of a journalist;

[AUL]

Again zhurnalyugi game smack in pursuit of sensations. Even if you have not figured out why this crap works, it does not mean that the laws of physics must be repealed. And to say that, the Chinese did not collect this drunken delirium - they designed, calculated, based on the very laws of physics! The law of conservation of energy is the basic law of physics, all other laws in one way or another nod at him!

[NIKNN]

Quote from AUL

designed, calculated, based on the very laws of physics! The law of conservation of energy is the basic law of physics, all other laws in one way or another nod at him!

There is no doubt ...

[The Grubby]

Quote: dik-nsk

Really what Martian spaceship sawed and copied? )))

Humor is a good thing, of course, but neither you nor I know that the Chinese lied there. But what if??? Galileo and Kapernik were also joked at one time, and one was even baked on a fire.

[antivirus]

generating a directed beam of radiation, which contradicts, in their opinion, the law of conservation of momentum.

-in the conditions of gravity it acts, but the attraction of other stars and the magnetic field (THEM) have not been canceled by anyone.
where does the world go?

[Topotun]

Photon starships just have to move due to a directed beam of radiation (one of the science fiction projects) .... True, there, to give the necessary impulse, a thermonuclear explosion is needed .... Or solar sails, also counted on acceleration under the influence of the light of the Sun .... The fact that electromagnetic radiation can have an impulse is simply physics.

[Vadim237]

This engine is a kind of resonator sail.

[Topotun]

I did not see a clear description, no characteristics either. Someone said that this is just another kind of ionic. We used them in the 70-80s. They have one problem. Maly momentum traction. Acceleration time hoo. But then you can achieve decent speed. In general, I saw the message, but I can not judge what it is about. Little data.

[Vadim237]

It is rather a wave propulsion.

[Brylevsky]

Obviously, there is a need for such a commission. Perpetual motion machines continue to be invented ...

[ivselim]

Quote: Olaf Uximae

Maybe Newton lied to all of us after he received the apple :).

It is unlikely. I think "external power" is still present. Only they do not know / do not talk about it.

[Baloo]

Quote: ivselim

Quote: Olaf Uximae

Maybe Newton lied to all of us after he received the apple :).

It is unlikely. I think "external power" is still present. Only they do not know / do not talk about it.

I thought about that too. In sailing there is a technique of sailing against the wind. Maybe the Chinese used something like that?

[Letun]

Quote: ivselim

It is unlikely. I think "external power" is still present. Only they do not know / do not talk about it.

Yes, no, I think their "engine that violates the laws of physics", this is a variant of our "has no analogues in the world" In short, propaganda targeted at the local layman.

[ivselim]

Quote: Letun

Quote: ivselim

It is unlikely. I think "external power" is still present. Only they do not know / do not talk about it.

Yes, no, I think their "engine that violates the laws of physics", this is a variant of our "has no analogues in the world" In short, propaganda targeted at the local layman.

And it could be

[japs]

Sort of:
"The existence of God is proved by the presence of a huge number of atheists."

[Skif83]

It’s just that the apple was very large, and Newton understood less than half ...

[Letun]

Quote: Skif83

It’s just that the apple was very large, and Newton understood less than half ...

Yeah, and the periodic table was first dreamed of by Pushkin, but he didn’t understand nichrome

[Esoteric]

Quote: Olaf Uximae

Maybe Newton lied to all of us after he received the apple :).

If you think so, then you can take on suspicion everything that is offered to us now. Who knows what they hit him on the head with if they cannot make ends meet in history, astronomy, physics, biology ...
Screenwriters "celery" ...

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: Olaf Uximae

Maybe Newton lied to all of us after he received the apple :).

Nton received not an apple, but an "apple." And Einstein, a saboteur, also did an excellent job. The law of conservation of energy is nonsense, with the goal of "canceling" the ether. The Internet is full of such correct information.
Tesla did not know the Great Law. Creating an engine is not surprising.
Another thing is that theoretical developments and their technical implementation were implemented in China. It's time in RosAkademii "sort out the little people."

[Titsen]

Quote: Mavrikiy

It's time in RosAkademii "sort out the little people."

Not only to sort out, but also to put to the "wall" without any quotes!

Scientific families have unbelted!

[jonhr]

the most interesting thing that they did, but they cannot explain what principle the work is based on. that is, they lie. since this is not a box to put together and understand the processes they are required

[Irokez]

Quote: Mavrikiy

And Einstein, a saboteur, also did an excellent job. The law of conservation of energy is nonsense, with the goal of "canceling" the ether.

Regarding Einstein, he affirmed with his authority that there is no ether and this played into the hands of the powerful oil companies and the electric power industry, because you can make money with it and control everything through energy and Tesla’s work was also carefully put into the archive and everything that is connected with it is covered or on the wrong path.
The law of conservation of energy should work correctly in a closed system, but the fact is that the Earth in the Solar system, and the solar system in the Milky Way galaxy, and the galaxy in the universe and at each level, their forces act on sublevels and talking about a closed system is just a hoax scientists and misleading ordinary people.
If you look at the esoteric layouts, then just ether is the energy for the material world, but it is such a subtle component of the material world that it penetrates everything that is grossly material and is naturally not visible to ordinary people.
The whole modern social world is a hoax.

[Maz]

So it’s the Americans who drove out the Old, we, Russia and China, now communicate with aliens instead of them, but aliens have their own laws of interactions in space and time. Looks like the Celestial Empire has fussed over and here they planted a piece of unearthly physics thank you gentlemen aliens. Strange, sho not brilliant Jews.

[Vanek]

Quote: Olaf Uximae

May newton

Maybe a new Newton has appeared in China.

Cosmic-fire-six-barrel super-mega blaster say? Do you speak in China?

Why not? And what? But what if?

[Uncle lee]

A strange engine, "does not drink, does not eat," and dominates the edge of the solar system!
And for the magnetron to work, you need a high-voltage rectifier and a modulator!

[olhon]

They will be powered by this motor. Still extremely clear ...

[Evil 55]

The revision of established theories and laws is one of the tasks of modern fundamental science .. I think that over time we will not yet know and see ..


The paradox is that the Chinese discovered and created, and not "a completely exclusive nation of stupid people" ..

[guerrilla]

Quote: Angry 55

The paradox is that the Chinese discovered and created, and not "a completely exclusive nation of stupid people" ..

Almost, the ancestors of the "stupid" people:
"In December 2002, the British research company Satellite Propulsion Research introduced the first operational prototype, developing a force of 0,02 N. The company was founded by aerospace engineer Roger Scheuer [10] [11].
In October 2006, the same company showed a prototype developing a force of 0,1 N [12]. "

Something the Chinese with their “discovered and created” apupels to the edge, even the “exceptional” ones are more modest ...
Wiki to help, gentlemen.

[inkass_98]

This "news" at least six months. And not the Chinese discovered.
The so-called "flying bucket" has been repeatedly demonstrated, this business was simply not advertised very widely.

[Scandinavian]

More than sure that they stole through hackers.

[hrych]

Quote: Angry 55

The paradox is that the Chinese have discovered and created

They did not open and did not create - this is a magnetron in a bucket Where does he get to the edges of the solar system ... Listen less to the media, especially Chinese

[Irokez]

Quote: Angry 55

The paradox is that the Chinese discovered and created, and not "a completely exclusive nation of stupid people."

Unfortunately, a lot of things have been discovered long ago simply by someone’s will, these discoveries aren’t given a move because energy will become very cheap, and this is very unprofitable for someone.

[andrewkor]

Photonic dvigun, or what?

[Brylevsky]

No. A photon is a particle of light. The message says about the magnetron. This is a different "range" ... HZ, how this thing works, but vague doubts torment me that this is another near-scientific "fake", like fusion in vitro ...

[Brylevsky]

It turns out that not everything is still open in fundamental physics ... Is that picture of the world in which the established world order placed us true?

[San Sanych]

and then))) oh, and make a fool of our brother, in the "Srendivikovym" knight sawdust)

[San Sanych]

but seriously, don’t even doubt that many more “wonderful” discoveries await mankind, unless it dies itself by the will of the current dominant civilization of “trophies”

[Shurale]

It is interesting to ask what Professor Atsyukovsky will say about this. I think he would find an explanation for this phenomenon.

[Olaf Uksimae]

In general, comrades are taking the right path, the sources are already somewhere close, but it’s not clear what’s happening, why are the Chinese, because flying ships, carpets, aircraft, stupas and brooms of a woman’s yaga and boots, walkers is ours? :)

[Alex_59]

If something is not clear to science, this does not mean that it does not exist. It’s just that the field of human knowledge has not yet spread to this “unknown”. And humanity does not yet know so many elementary things and can not recreate.
As our informatics teacher said, a crow sitting on a thin twig in a pea-sized brain calculates a complicated system of differential equations in a split second and never misses. And in a person, an airplane landing on a strip of 3 kilometer length uses dozens of computers, radar, etc. and despite this, sometimes planes miss the strip.

[Esoteric]

Quote: Alex_59

... and sitting down never misses. But in man ...

When a crow sits on a twig, she only thinks about how to do it. And a person, when he leads an airplane to land, can think (in 99% of cases of accidents) the "opposite of God" knows what ...

[Brylevsky]

Quote: Alex_59

And in a person, an airplane landing on a strip of 3 kilometers long uses dozens of computers, radar, etc. and despite this, sometimes planes miss the strip.

- this is because a person, in this case, is not engaged in his own business. Crow's business is to fly. The man’s business is to conduct intellectual activity, to create, to know the world around him. An airplane, these are “crutches” that help a person get closer to the level of a bird; come closer, but not become her. How ridiculous and it will not sound, but a person’s adaptability to the world around him is higher than that of a raven — having resources, he can stand on one “level” with it, and a raven is not capable of such a thing in principle. Its "function" is strictly limited; man in this sense is akin to God: his "functionality" is limited only by the laws of the universe and personal moral principles.

[Alex_59]

Quote: Brylevsky

How ridiculous and it will not sound, but a person’s adaptability to the world around him is higher than that of a raven - having resources, he can stand on one “level” with it

Yes, man is universal, cunning and smart. But on the issue of planting on a twig, we have not yet come close to the raven. So when you have a pea, unmistakably landing a liner with passengers on a thin branch swaying in the wind - then yes. Get closer. Or when he threw a seed into the ground and went to sleep, and six months later a computer or a car grew out of this seed (just because the rain is dripping, the sun is warming).
In the meantime, we are really on crutches jump to the stars. It's good that we jump. And even something turns out. But for now, we are jumping very primitively. Fact.

[Nevsky_ZU]

And what is our Rosatom? Have you almost promised to test a nuclear engine? The US promised us a veto on space testing.

[Seraphimamur]

Most likely the journalists did not understand what, as always. Fuel consumption or other energy will be. Let them at least read what a magnetron is and the principle of its operation. A rocket engine based on the principle of operation of a magnetron is probably no better than our ion (or atomic) engine. The question is about efficiency.

[Herculesic]

Nothing unusual - a field or statistical engine, whose creation does not contradict modern science. The first in the world back in the 60s, our created this! Even in those days it was terribly expensive and naturally very difficult to manufacture and operate. Moreover, it turned out one byak - in space, where they wanted to use it, it quickly "stalls" because there, too, there are similar, but "thicker" fields, the deafer are thinner fields. Since then the problem was not solved, the case was postponed "for later", and then the USSR collapsed.

[LeonidL]

Maybe mixed up and instead of China you need to read Kiev? then everything falls into place - another change, but for the Chinese it is not solid. Well magnetron, well resonator - what's new? What waves can go out there besides electromagnetic? What can accumulate there rather than be generated? Waves come out - energy is lost. energy is needed to pump a magnetron; if a magnetron is powerful, then a lot of energy. If the magnetron is powerful, then the cathode is "contaminated" and the emission decreases ... and so on.

[Baloo]

Quote: Angry 55

The paradox is that the Chinese discovered and created, and not "a completely exclusive nation of stupid people" ..

Can they show? And when? Really in my lifetime ...

[SpaceCom]

Mmmdayayaya ... It seems that the level of modern physics is enough only to calculate the probability of the Kerch bridge disappearing in a plasma cloud generated in the antinode zone of second-order standing waves from the Crimean energy bridge
If memory serves me right, recently, classical physics ordered particles to interact with a speed not exceeding the speed of light! And now, for some reason, quantum teleportation is recognized. And the theory did!
That's just trouble with the engine - you can touch it. And physics loves the imperceptible

[Socialism 2.0]

Praise be to all Gods !!! I have lived up to this point ...

[Tolstoevsky]

learning is light

[Nix1986]

For 3 years now, passions have been boiling around this engine, who just didn’t deal with it and what conclusions they didn’t receive — usually “it’s a bluff”, or “it works, but we don’t know how.” Given the fact that for 60 with a penny of years we have not gone beyond the railways, we must rejoice in any new tests.

[AID.S]

I think that soon Chinese microwave ovens will begin to plow the expanses of the universe ...

[dog breeder]

Maybe not all laws are still open?

[kolyhalovs]

It is impossible to break the laws of physics. That's what physics is for! The problem is that our knowledge of physics is poor. Alas.

[SOF]

mmmda.
Someone drew up or a side effect of photocopying, a la modify it with a file (?!): "... well, as soon as we did not collect this engine, the tank always turns out ..."

[Ryzhiy A.P.]

I recalled here: An urgent news release: "With an unsuccessful launch of a rocket in China, both astronauts and 400 stokers died"

[voyaka uh]

At the Chinese, I like that they do not drag the rezon for a long time. Do not get involved in
academic disputes.
Buy a "controversial" design or concept (or just steal)
and immediately make a large "working" sample. Works - excellent, no - ... no luck.
I won’t be surprised if they first shut down the cold fusion.
There is the same problem - “it seems to work,” but “it cannot be.”

[savage]

A country that copies literally everything in a row has created something from the world of fiction. I well believe that this is a fantasy.

[Brylevsky]

Comrades, I repeat, but this news is like a fake. It is quite possible that Chinese scientists give out “wishful thinking” (for various reasons), while Chinese journalists are actively helping them in this. The world around us is the world of Newtonian mechanics, thanks to him we ride, fly and swim. It is somehow hard to believe that new laws will open in classical physics, - in my opinion, everything that could be discovered was already discovered in it. It seems to me that we are dealing with the manifestation of the laws of long-studied physics, just someone misinterpreted them ... Sorry, but CCTV-2 somehow does not draw on a statement from the Russian Academy of Sciences, especially since there is no such statement was and is unlikely to be. All media are greedy for catchy headlines, in my opinion, we are faced with just such a case ...

[voyaka uh]

"The world around us is the world of Newtonian mechanics" ///

Not only. And the quantum world, where Newton’s mechanics do not work.
Nevertheless, the distance between objects (photons, for example)
there can be huge. Signals are transmitted hundreds of kilometers.
And the Chinese have just made great progress in quantum physics.

[Vadim237]

In short, this is a wave resonator nozzle in which wave oscillations create traction.

[Brylevsky]

Do not understand. How can radio waves create traction? Even if this is possible (!), Why then our spacecraft do not use such engines?

[BMP-2]

We also come up with a lot of things that cannot be understood. Especially in politics.

[Bronevick]

The Chinese hacked physics.

[DEfindER]

And what is inexplicable, the emission of energy in the form of radiation is the same as the emission of mass, because radiation, like mass, is the same energy, the only difference is that radiation gives a negligible momentum, because much more energy is hidden in the mass, because as you know E = mc ^ 2 and for radiation there will simply be E = E radiation

[Alexdark]

Here, the only sensible conclusion.

[gridasov]

You will excuse me, of course, but in the concept of ENERGY there are not only mass and some exaggerated relative velocity. At least there is a system of interactions with its complex laws and at high speeds these concepts should not be neglected at all

[gridasov]

There is nothing unusual in the operation of the engine. But the very process of creating such sufficient polarization to get traction without dropping the masses anyway does not get if you try to supply energy from the outside. Therefore, the process must include other elements of the entire system in which everything happens. In general, the entire analysis of the process must be done on a different basis. and not as they do now.