“The situation with the Russian language in Tatarstan resembles Bandera’s Ukraine”

182
The head of the Society of Russian Culture of Tatarstan, Mikhail Shcheglov, explained why the Russians in the republic appealed to the Minister of Education of Russia.

In the last days of August, a daddy with the pain of thousands of Russian families living in Tatarstan was transferred to the hands of the Minister of Education of Russia Olga Vasilyeva through a large family from Moscow region. They ask the minister to read it personally.



“The situation with the Russian language in Tatarstan resembles Bandera’s Ukraine”


“Save our children from forcible study of the Tatar language!” - they beg Vasilyev, for many years not finding support, including in the department under her control. The authorities of Tatarstan do not recognize the problem.

Although they openly declare that the republic is an independent state. That is what is written in black and white in school textbooks, on the covers of which Tatarstan is placed in a row with the leading world powers separately from Russia.

On the situation with the Russian language in the country, and why the situation in Tatarstan reminds Ukraine, the Daily Storm special correspondent Natalya Bashlykova was told by the head of the Russian Culture Society of Tatarstan Mikhail Scheglov.

- Mikhail Yuryevich, you are one of those who collected the folder for the minister, why did you decide to hand it over personally?

- We have repeatedly tried to draw the attention of the federal authorities to this situation. A lot has already been written on this topic, including to the Minister of Education. Until now, we have received answers according to the standard scheme, when everything descended back into the republic ... Once we received an answer that we consider the correspondence completed.

Therefore, we went the other way. We were helped by a woman from the Moscow region who read the pain of the parents in our group on the social network VKontakte - the Committee of Russian-speaking parents of Tatarstan. She agreed to directly transfer the Vasilyeva folder.

In addition, at the same time, Russian President Vladimir Putin instructed the General Prosecutor’s Office of the Russian Federation to conduct a test of the voluntary study of national languages ​​in the regions. At the Council for Interethnic Relations in Yoshkar-Ola, he stated that it is unacceptable to reduce the hours of the Russian language at the expense of other languages.

The President paid particular attention to the leaders of the regions. It is obvious to us that this was said about Tatarstan, because the worst situation is here. But our first persons of the republic do not recognize this. And they have already stated that everything is within the law.

- What is happening in the country with the Russian language today?

- The Russian movement in the Republic of Tatarstan is concerned with a number of problems that the authorities do not recognize today. But, of course, in the first place in the republic is the problem of the Russian language in education. It is very difficult to solve it, because our legislation is “sharpened” under bilingualism.

Mandatory for studying in school are Russian and Tatar. My children are already adults, at first I myself did not resist the fact that they were studying Tatar language at school. But later I became convinced that this was an absolutely unnecessary item for my children.

They cannot learn it, because they have neither motivation nor environment for this, unlike their Tatar peers. In my opinion, from 60 to 80% of the population, including Tatars, think so. They understand that the future for them is Russian.

Nevertheless, the regional authorities persist and position this language as equal to Russian in all dimensions. Even the fact that it contradicts the Constitution of the Russian Federation, where Russian is the only official language of the whole country, does not bother officials.

Another problem is legal collision. This is something that in the Russian Federation the Russian language does not have the status of a native, although 92% of citizens consider it as such. For example, in our republican legislation, the concept of the native language is opposed to the Russian language.

- What is it like?

- That is, native is not Russian, but Tatar. But if I am Russian, what can be my mother tongue? This is the first thing that, in my opinion, needs to be corrected in the legislation, because there must be an unshakable foundation for the state language, which guarantees the security of the country ...

Fundamentally, on a large scale, the Russians in Tatarstan realized this problem in 2009, with the introduction of the Russian language EG as an entrance test to universities. Parents tolerated - suffered, and then realized that their children could not go to college. For example, someone’s child has gotten triples in Russian, which, due to the limited hours (in favor of Tatar), he doesn’t know well.

- What is the ratio of hours of teaching Russian and Tatar languages?

- All equally. This is a principled position for the government and the Tatar nationalists, whom it supports. I would compare it with the Battle of Stalingrad - we will not give an inch of land. But how equally? For example, Tatyana Loginova, who is also in our association, her child has three lessons of Russian and literature a week and five lessons of the Tatar language and another one on the Tatar literature, where the subject “Tatar language” also actually takes place.

Our principled position is what? Russian children should learn Tatar literature translated into Russian. This is logical. They are not native speakers of the Tatar language, they have little understanding of what they read. However, there are no such transfers.

Therefore, of course, it is very logical that the majority of Russian students receive bad marks for the Tatar language. Moreover, they are crushed for it, spread rot, cheat. They say to children: do not pass the language, we will not transfer you to the next class.

For example, we had such a case, when mother put a voice recorder in her briefcase, and then listened to what the teacher told him about his parents who did not support the study of the Tatar language, as well as humiliation, insults to the child in the presence of the class.

This, of course, is unacceptable from the point of view of pedagogical ethics, but the majority is silent so that the child can simply finish school. Because this topic is taboo. Be silent - and your C grade will be drawn to you.

- This situation is only in Tatarstan?

- In Bashkiria, there was a similar situation, but there the prosecutor's office took up the cause, and the president takes a different position. We have flint.

- How do you think, why?

- There is such a figure - Rafael Khakimov, who designed the Republic of Tatarstan as a sovereign separate state. For many years he was Mintimer Shaimiev’s adviser on domestic policy.

This is a famous writer, an extreme nationalist, precisely of a state regional scale. When he was in the 90-ies in the republic brought a man like Aslan Maskhadov. From the presidium, he taught our state council of the republic how to build relations with Russia, why it is necessary to support the national liberation movement, and also what Ichkeria is. It was a project of Khakimov.

In general, the contract signed today between Moscow and Tatarstan is part of the systemic situation created by the revanchist, ethnocratic group formed by ex-President Shaimiev. Today there are people who want revenge and return to 500 years ago, so that a separate Tatar state appears again. There are those in the republic who frankly would not like to see Russians here. This is natural, because the Russians are not assistants in the construction of such a state.

- From Moscow this is not visible. How does this manifest itself?

- And from Moscow, what was visible about Ukraine before it flashed there? Everything is the same here today. I myself am a candidate of technical sciences, I teach at the institute, but the defense of the Russian language is now my second half. I've been doing this for 30 for years, from creating a folk movement, folk ensembles, holidays, to speeches at various scientific conferences and events.

- Are there any opposition to your activities?

- For the authorities, I am persona non grata. For example, they ask me not to give words at various events. Repeatedly I tried to bring to administrative responsibility. But I win all such administrative cases either in the lower court or in the Supreme Court. Because all the claims against me are bullshit. However, they still need to crush me, hold me down, scare me ...

If you go back to the contract, then there are definitely people who would like separation from Russia, even to the point of implementing some kind of resettlement program. Also in the republic there have always been those who use this factor in the political game.

- What game is this?

- It was that they first declared sovereignty, held a referendum, in which 61,4% of the population spoke in favor of considering the republic as a subject of international law and an independent state.

At that time, such an idea was thrown in, that we have an oil region, and in the conditions of a sovereign state, our children will be born automatically by millionaires like in Saudi Arabia. But in the end, who has the whole oil industry now? Families and clans. In general, the sovereignty of the Shaimiev team used as an enrichment tool, creating well-being to their descendants.

If you pay attention, the wife of the current president of Tatarstan is a very successful businessman. Over the year 2016 she earned 2,6 billion rubles. In general, with respect to Moscow, it is a separate organism, a certain cocoon. I do not know whether his federal forces and Vladimir Putin will be able to unravel. Some signals have now appeared, including bank failures, because the banks here are palaces and castles.

- You said that the same processes are repeated in the republic as in Ukraine, what exactly do you mean by this?

- All markers are similar, language as well. Suppose the whole fact story Republic rewritten. If you take the textbook under the authorship of D.K. Sabirova, Ya.Sh. Sharapova “History of Tatarstan. From ancient times to the present day ”, there Tatarstan is considered as an independent state since the times of ancient Bulgaria.

In particular, it says that in 1552, Russia committed an act of aggression and occupied Tatarstan. The light forces are in the republic, and the black ones are understandable from where. This goes in other textbooks. There were a lot of complaints, including to the prosecutor’s office, but they did not give results.

Moreover, our history textbooks are not just rewritten, but academic historical science is built on a completely rewritten history. For example, Indus Tagirov is a real academic, doctor of science, professor. He is actually the head of the historical school of the Republic of Tatarstan.

That is, all our candidates and doctors have passed his school. And this person in all seriousness says that the Republic of Tatarstan has 3000 years, and the territory includes not only Tatarstan, Bashkiria and all of Siberia, but also all of China. In Soviet times, it was impossible to voice such ...

The same situation with art, creative unions. In the local Writers Union, there are slightly more than 300 Tatars and, in my opinion, 13 Russians, moreover, in the Russian section of the Tatars even more, and in the section of Tatar writers, in my opinion, not a single Russian. That is, the Russian word does not develop here at all.

We tried to launch one project. A certain Russian writer wanted to make the almanac “The Russian Word”. Punched, talked about it at all status meetings. As a result, the word “Russian” was removed from the title and they were assigned to steer the edition of a Tatar. The same thing in the Union of Composers, in the Union of Artists.

- What happened in your letter to Vasilyeva?

- We reported on the ratio of Tatar and Russian hours in schools, that we can not defend our right to a full study of the Russian language. They wrote about the programs for which our children study, that there are forgeries in schools, about aggression against children.

If someone vyaknet something, then the child on the line can for all to reprimand: "That's because of his father and mother, this classmate of yours refuses to respect the Tatar people." When there is nothing to oppose the advocates of such a kind of regional education go to the hysterical: “Teach, ignoramuses, the language of the people in whose territory you live!”

Although it is difficult to talk about whose real territory it is. Before the Bulgars, here lived the Imenkovites, who are considered to be the Proto-Slavs. That is, the territory flowed smoothly, from there to here. In general, the Russians with the Tatars are complementary peoples, between whom there have so far been no serious contradictions.

By the beginning of the revolution, the Tatars had developed mechanisms of interaction with the tsarist government, with the dominant Orthodoxy, and no one thought about Sharia. Now Sharia, which we propagandize in all mosques.

People who visit them say that up to 20% of worshipers are Salafis and Wahhabis. This ideology of radical Islam is spreading here today because of the uncontrolled preaching of newcomers from Saudi Arabia and a number of other countries in the Middle East.

At first I didn’t go into it either, but when I saw that the churches began to burn, that there were shooting with Wahhabis within the city limits, I studied this question. After all, the former mufti as a result of this was left without legs, miraculously survived.

And the main leader of traditional Tatar Islam, theologian Valiulla Yakupov, was killed in the entrance of his own house. Up to nine churches in the republic were set on fire or attempted to break the Wahhabis. Several churches burned to the ground.

- What is the ratio of Russian and Tatars in the republic today?

- In the region, with the last census, slightly more than 53% Tatars and almost 39% Russians. Although there is insider information from the security forces, that in fact Russians are the majority here. Just for the Tatars, it is important to be the majority. In previous censuses, the number of Tatars in the republic was less than 50%. They could not come from anywhere; there are also no migration flows to the Tatars' Republic.

An interesting fact is, for example, that Ivan the Terrible moved the Tatars away from the rivers so that they would not rob. Therefore, in all villages along the banks of the rivers live Russians. But in recent years there is an unofficial policy of resettling Tatars in Russian villages. And there is a tendency for the moschetization of all villages, including the purely Russian.

In kindergartens, without asking the parents, they introduce halal nutrition. It's like kosher Jews, that is religiously correct. Is it that now before eating children re-sanctify this food?

Neglecting the interests of Orthodoxy is also the dominant feature of this structure. Everywhere, where it is possible to do without him, they manage without him, but they always try to plant the priest next to the mullah. Or, let's say, the construction of mosques, which went at a very heightened pace under President Shaimiev. Now there are about one and a half thousand mosques in the republic.

And behind the scenes, local entrepreneurs were connected to this power. There was even such a topic, when a Russian businessman boasted that he had helped two Orthodox churches and four mosques. At the same time, there was a strong merchant class under the kings in Tatarstan, especially in the provinces.

These were the Old Believers merchants who created here mighty centers of culture and Russianness, ranging from family values ​​to the temples that they built here. It is near 500 of the namolenny, spiritually richest Orthodox churches, most of which are now destroyed and standing in disrepair.

Nobody raises this topic yet. But I think that this is a shame for the regional authorities, which allow the dying of such pearls. In Kazan, such examples were. This, for example, the house church of the merchant Niklyaev of the XVIII century, on the territory of the altar of which a new three-storey building was built. No matter how the public was indignant, no matter how much the head of the region wrote about it, we failed to protect the temple.

PS

Meanwhile, the authorities of Tatarstan have responded to the remarks of Vladimir Putin about the forced learning of a non-native language in some regions of Russia in a peculiar way. Kazan decided to increase the hours of Russian lessons, but at the same time preserve the obligatory lessons of the Tatar, reports the publication "Vzglyad".

Last Friday, the Ministry of Education of Tatarstan announced that from January 1, the study of the Russian language in schools of the republic will increase to the volumes recommended by the Ministry of Education of Russia, however, the study of the Tatar language in the republic remains mandatory. At the same time, the Ministry complains that mass appeals have appeared in social networks to refuse to learn the Tatar language.

The Ministry of Education of the region recalls that the Constitution of Russia recognizes the republics the right to establish state languages. The agency also recalls the ruling of the Constitutional Court of November 16 of 2004 of the year, which “studies in general educational institutions of the Russian and Tatar languages ​​as state languages” in Tatarstan is recognized as not inconsistent with the Constitution of Russia.

“Accordingly, the Tatar language as an obligatory subject is subject to study in all educational institutions of the Republic of Tatarstan. Thus, appeals distributed in social networks (and sample applications) for refusing to learn Tatar language contradict the current legislation and mislead the parents of students, ”the ministry's message quotes Interfax.

The Ministry notes that the decision to expand the teaching of the Russian language was made on the basis of the proposals of the interdepartmental commission on the implementation of instructions from President Vladimir Putin, which were given as a result of a meeting of the council at the head of state on interethnic relations held in late July.

However, let us turn once again the attention of readers that the President of Russia had in mind precisely the need for a transition to a FULLY VOLUNTARY study of the Tatar language for all residents of the Republic of Tajikistan.

“To force a person to learn a language that is not native to him is just as unacceptable as is to reduce the level and time of teaching Russian. I pay special attention to this by the heads of regions of the Russian Federation, ”the head of state said then. At the same time, he added that the languages ​​of the peoples of Russia are an integral part of their original culture. “To study these languages ​​is a right guaranteed by the Constitution. The right is voluntary, ”Putin said.

Thus, the words of Mikhail Shcheglov that the imposition of the Tatar language is a kind of “Stalingrad battle” for the local authorities and the national elite, have been fully confirmed.
Our news channels

Subscribe and stay up to date with the latest news and the most important events of the day.

182 comments
Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must sign in.
  1. +33
    12 September 2017 15: 18
    For a long time already, all this is ripening there. And they say the views themselves with a mustache. And we can live separately. It's time to stop all this. By quietly catching all these ghouls missed
    1. +13
      12 September 2017 15: 47
      In Ukraine, they went further, banned, starting from the fifth grade, the study of Russian in schools. Both politicians and social activists call such actions discriminatory in relation to the Russian-speaking minority in Ukraine.
      Hungarian Foreign Minister Peter Siyyarto said that the issue of amending the new law will be discussed at the forums of the UN, OSCE and the European Union.
      And the Russian Foreign Ministry is silent - although there are millions of Russians in Ukraine, and Hungary and Romania are harnessing for their few thousand compatriots.
      1. +1
        12 September 2017 19: 38
        Where did you get such information? Did they tell you on TV? I live in Odessa, the child goes to school with the Russian language of instruction. In Odessa, there are many schools with the Russian language of instruction. http://obrazovanie.odessa.ua/na/vseh/vseh.html
        1. +18
          13 September 2017 01: 24
          Quote: Locos
          Where did you get such information? Did they tell you on TV? I live in Odessa, the child goes to school with the Russian language of instruction. In Odessa, there are many schools with the Russian language of instruction. http://obrazovanie.odessa.ua/na/vseh/vseh.html

          what what what what what what
          When they came for the communists, I was silent - I was not a communist.
          When they came for the Social Democrats, I was silent - I was not a Social Democrat.
          When they came for trade union activists, I was silent - I was not a member of the trade union.
          When they came for me, there was no one to intercede for me.

          you see, the scandal in the Kherson region with the Russian language passed by your ears !!! recourse recourse recourse By the way, for the future you - when you come to the region to prohibit the Russian language (also legally), the above quote will be exactly reproduced !!! feel feel feel and Odessa and the region will remain silent and swallow it !! wink laughing laughing laughing
          1. +3
            13 September 2017 18: 54
            Quote: Nikolai the Greek
            to you - when they come to the region to ban the Russian language (also legally), the above quote will be exactly reproduced !!!

            and why should there be training in Russian in Ukraine? Ukraine is a sovereign state with its own language. In Germany, for example, there are places where Turks or Arabs are in the majority, so order the Germans to speak Turkish or Arabic?
            1. +7
              13 September 2017 19: 33
              Quote: verner1967
              Quote: Nikolai the Greek
              to you - when they come to the region to ban the Russian language (also legally), the above quote will be exactly reproduced !!!

              and why should there be training in Russian in Ukraine? Ukraine is a sovereign state with its own language. In Germany, for example, there are places where Turks or Arabs are in the majority, so order the Germans to speak Turkish or Arabic?

              firstly, you agree this question with a commentator who says that there are no problems with Russian in Hohland !! wink laughing laughing laughing secondly, in order to teach the language correctly, it must exist, and not so, that in different parts of Hohland, Ukrainians indulge in different "Ukrainian languages" !!! lol lol lol thirdly, the Khokhlyat "language" is a minority language !!! lol lol lol tongue tongue
              1. +2
                14 September 2017 06: 35
                Quote: Nikolai the Greek
                first you

                firstly, I didn’t hire a mouth to help you, it’s about you, and secondly, they also speak different languages ​​in Russia, you don’t know your country well, if you know anything at all.
                1. +6
                  14 September 2017 15: 08
                  Quote: verner1967
                  Quote: Nikolai the Greek
                  first you

                  firstly, I didn’t hire a mouth to help you, it’s about you, and secondly, they also speak different languages ​​in Russia, you don’t know your country well, if you know anything at all.

                  most likely you have a very distant relationship with Russia !!! lol lol lol
                  1. +1
                    14 September 2017 19: 02
                    Quote: Nikolai the Greek
                    most likely you
                    fool and rattle you have Greek lol
                    1. +4
                      14 September 2017 21: 09
                      Quote: verner1967
                      Quote: Nikolai the Greek
                      most likely you
                      fool and rattle you have Greek lol

                      what what what you would learn to put punctuation marks in order to invest meaning in your opus !!! lol lol lol Before "Greek" should the comma or dash ??? what what what laughing laughing laughing
                      1. +1
                        14 September 2017 21: 34
                        Quote: Nikolai the Greek
                        Before "Greek" should the comma or dash ???

                        that’s exactly what or, learn the rules of the Russian language
              2. +6
                14 September 2017 12: 39
                Moreover, ask the linguist, he will tell you that the "Ukrainian language" does not exist. There is an obscure dialect of Russian. In order for a dialect to be recognized as a separate language, it must contain the basic concepts that exist in other languages. In the "Ukrainian" there are few of them. Not special, google and you will be happy.
                1. 0
                  15 September 2017 13: 34
                  Quote: AKuzenka
                  Moreover, ask the linguist, he will tell you that the "Ukrainian language" does not exist. There is an obscure dialect of Russian. In order for a dialect to be recognized as a separate language, it must contain the basic concepts that exist in other languages. In the "Ukrainian" there are few of them. Not special, google and you will be happy.


                  Can you give more details?
            2. 0
              15 September 2017 15: 35
              Quote: verner1967
              and why should there be training in Russian in Ukraine?

              If only because there 80% of the population speaks Russian and ethnic Russian in bulk. Ukrainian legislators are trying to ignore this fact (a nail on their heels).
              1. +1
                16 September 2017 07: 01
                Quote: DenZ
                ethnic Russians in bulk.

                in Germany in bulk ethnic Turks and Arabs, will we learn Arabic for a trip to Germany?
        2. +11
          13 September 2017 01: 27
          Quote: Locos
          Where did you get such information? Did they tell you on TV? I live in Odessa, the child goes to school with the Russian language of instruction. In Odessa, there are many schools with the Russian language of instruction. http://obrazovanie.odessa.ua/na/vseh/vseh.html

          tyuyuyuyuyuyuyuyuyu ... looked at tyrnete, so at the end of 13 years you started a mess !!! wassat wassat wassat

          Compulsory education in Russian has been canceled in Odessa schools
          Odessa Administrative Court of Appeal reversed the decision of the Odessa City Council on the introduction of the Russian language in the educational institutions of the city.

          The press service of the Odessa city organization of the all-Ukrainian association "Freedom" reported that this court decision entered into force on December 26.

          We will remind, the City Council adopted a decision on July 8, 2011 "regarding the definition of Russian as the language of instruction and upbringing."

          "The college of judges declared the decisions of the deputies illegal, which amended the statutes of 199 educational institutions of Odessa, according to which, along with the state Ukrainian language of instruction, the language of the Russian national minority is determined as the language of instruction," the press service said.

          In this regard, the city organization "Freedom" will appeal to the Prosecutor General with a request to give a legal assessment and bring to justice the deputies of the city council, "who made deliberately illegal anti-state decisions."

          "In addition, we will monitor the actions of the executive service to ensure the implementation of the relevant judicial decision and insist on the immediate re-registration of the statutes of 199 educational institutions," the Svoboda noted.

          https://gazeta.ua/ru/articles/politics/_v-shkolah
          -odessy-abolished-obyazatelnoe-obuchenie-na-russko
          m-yazyke / 534552

          you already then "freedom" bend start !!! wassat wassat wassat
        3. +9
          13 September 2017 01: 34
          Quote: Locos
          Where did you get such information? Did they tell you on TV? I live in Odessa, the child goes to school with the Russian language of instruction. In Odessa, there are many schools with the Russian language of instruction. http://obrazovanie.odessa.ua/na/vseh/vseh.html

          By the way, do you at least study the laws that your country adopts ... otherwise you will not be aware that you have national heroes right now - fascist henchmen !!! laughing laughing laughing
        4. +5
          13 September 2017 08: 28
          "Where did you get such information?"
          A week ago, on September 5, the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine adopted new law “On Education”, which, among other things, imposes severe restrictions on the use of languages ​​of national minorities.
          Read the documents of the Council.
      2. +5
        13 September 2017 01: 19
        Quote: Hoc vince
        In Ukraine, they went further, banned, starting from the fifth grade, the study of Russian in schools. Both politicians and social activists call such actions discriminatory in relation to the Russian-speaking minority in Ukraine.
        Hungarian Foreign Minister Peter Siyyarto said that the issue of amending the new law will be discussed at the forums of the UN, OSCE and the European Union.
        And the Russian Foreign Ministry is silent - although there are millions of Russians in Ukraine, and Hungary and Romania are harnessing for their few thousand compatriots.

        Hatskrayniki must cast a vote .... then all the others !!! lol lol lol
    2. +15
      12 September 2017 16: 48
      I agree with you .. This is not even the case in Tatarstan .. But in Moscow itself .. This is really a separate "state", and everything else is "zamkadyshi" and boil in their own juice .. Measures are taken only when it "breaks out" ..And this can happen not only in the Volga region ..
      Quote: vkl.47
      For a long time already, all this is ripening there. And they say the views themselves with a mustache. And we can live separately. It's time to stop all this. By quietly catching all these ghouls missed
      1. +16
        12 September 2017 17: 12
        This is the result of * scratching * national pride. In Chechnya, it was the same, plus claims for expulsion, forgiving its father and grandfathers for an open and open betrayal in the GREAT PATRIOTIC WAR. In Tatarstan, everything is the same, only claims are older, and again forgive their ancestors and raids and the slave trade and much more. All claims are only RUSSIAN. Over time, there will be claims on finances, and what else will come up with is only a fantasy will limit.
        As soon as someone makes claims on a national basis, this means that someone wants to make a career, but there are no talents or education or the ability to work. And it remains only to stand in a pose offended with claims.
      2. +2
        15 September 2017 13: 52
        Moscow then what ?? Moscow all consists of "zamkadyshe", a native Muscovite "day with fire" you will not find. It’s just that the situation is paradoxical ... All these small ethno-elites solve their identity problems at the expense of the Russians. For budget money they are promoting their regional languages ​​by force among the Russian population. And for budget money (that is, for the money of the Russians themselves) they infringe on the rights of the Russian language ... That is, we are Russian, we pay for them to develop their regional languages ​​and literature, and we ourselves pay for the fact that Used to know your language worse. Che then some kind of obscenity turns out ....
        1. 0
          8 October 2017 09: 43
          I myself live in Kazan, we grind all these problems with my grandson every day. Here the rampant rabies of the "truth-womb" since Borka-Alcoholic told Shaimiev exactly "take as much sovereignty as you can take away!" Since then, they have imagined themselves to be a “state in a state” and are hiding this very sovereignty wherever they can. There is nobody to teach Tatar normally: here, as in Ukraine, there are a million dialects, few speak purely. Signs in the language? Bus ads? Some newspapers? From their literary culture themselves, except Tukai, they cannot remember anyone. But the language problem, as in the Banderlog region, can become the cornerstone for subsequent anti-state constructions. Only the lazy does not play this card here. Meanwhile, hours of Russian language and literature in schools are being reduced, Tatar is being made mandatory for passing the USE, in general, too, "... rocking the boat." Given the general high level of school and higher education in modern Russia, this is generally a complete kirdyk in the very near future. Sorry for the verbosity.
    3. +3
      13 September 2017 01: 12
      282 Art. cries for you, which means "quietly catch" for inciting ethnic hatred.
      1. HDZ
        +1
        14 September 2017 07: 45
        And for you 275.
  2. +16
    12 September 2017 15: 28

    Here the moment cannot be missed. And then no matter how it was necessary to repeat.
    1. +6
      12 September 2017 23: 18
      You speak correctly! Ivan Svet-Vasilievich did a nice job then, even to this day the Tatars are shaking. Here they squeeze the Russians. As for the state of Bulgaria, their religion was Judaism. It would be necessary to explain this to the Tatars somehow.
      1. +1
        12 September 2017 23: 33
        Ivan Vasilievich was a direct descendant of Mamaia. Of the same. From Kulikova field. On the maternal side ...
        1. +3
          12 September 2017 23: 38
          That is, her father’s Khan, like our Lavrov, sent his daughter abroad, and she quickly married a Russian prince there. So this only confirms that the Russians brought the Tatars progress at least in the form of feudal relations instead of the slavery that they had.
          1. 0
            14 September 2017 07: 42
            Have you made any progress? Progress is impossible without the harmonious interaction of different cultures that respect each other. If you compare here approximately as in a fishing line. The braid will always be stronger than monofilament of the same diameter. As for the father of the khan ... So Mamai was not a khan, but a beclarbek (sorry for my Tatar). And he didn’t send a daughter to the Russian prince; he was killed in the Crimea by the Genoese. Such is the vendetta for the Genoese mercenaries whom he ditched on the Kulikovo field.
          2. +1
            14 September 2017 15: 51
            They didn’t need to transmit their dense ideas from fiction. The slave system was specifically in the Moscow kingdom or in Russia. People sold for debts, prisoners in the markets, parents sold children because they sometimes could not feed, landowners. This is in the notes of foreign merchants, especially Persian, Armenian (well preserved). And so until the 19th century. In detail ,, The history of national slavery or serfdom Russia, was written based on archival materials with documents of those years. In the Kazan Khanate prisoners of 10 years were in captivity, worked as state peasants, then let go of it was the law. They did not sell each other into slavery before and after accession.
      2. +1
        13 September 2017 00: 53
        Because of such provocateurs as Shcheglov, there may be problems and think with your head before writing this in a multinational country, did a nice job, they can write about Batu Khan, and so on. I came across the numbers of the destroyed population during the capture of Kazan , they are in the tsarist book, I.V. Grozny instructed to calculate, it is better to keep silent about it and not look. Cutting out civilians is a shame at all times.
        1. +3
          13 September 2017 09: 03
          Quote: Denis222
          I came across the figures of the annihilated population during the capture of Kazan, they are in the tsarist book, I.V. Grozny instructed to calculate, it is better to keep silent about it and not look. Cutting out civilians is a shame at all times.

          Nonsense! widespread then and copied in every way by the Poles ...
          1. 0
            14 September 2017 15: 18
            What nonsense is that there was no massacre of the civilian population? In the Tsar’s book, the Poles brought in the number of people killed. Novgorod did not cut for ,, treason ,,. Supposedly. Novgorod was a large trading city no less than Moscow. Karamzin writes about 60.000 thousand killed Novgorodians. Kazan and its environs are much more. A. Kursky’s everything Read in detail.
        2. 0
          14 September 2017 11: 33
          Half of the army of Ivan the Terrible was the Tatars.
          1. 0
            14 September 2017 15: 29
            Where did this come from? There are works on this subject, an objective figure of 3.000 people follows, subordinates of the Kasimov Tatars, they did not take part in the assault and destruction of the population, guarded the Nogai road from the approach of the help of the Nogai, Crimean Tatars. On the part of the Kazan Khanate, some Russians also fought, a lot of Cheremis , Chuvash and other peoples. This was not a pure clash of Russians and Tatars, it was a war of two states.
      3. +4
        13 September 2017 11: 05
        Quote: Dedall
        As for the state of Bulgaria, their religion was Judaism.

        you do not confuse with Khazaria? in Bulgaria, Islam since the 10th century.
      4. +8
        13 September 2017 13: 20
        I myself am from Kazan, the problem is really acute. My grandson is already howling from the local "education system." And the trouble is that Borka Alcoholic once said here to Shaimiev: “Take as much sovereignty as you can carry ...” But the Tatars have large pockets, a lot of things fit ...
        1. +1
          15 September 2017 15: 40
          Quote: Andytur
          And the trouble is that Borka Alcoholic once said here to Shaimiev: "Take sovereignty as much as you can take ..."

          The trouble is that pockets of sovereignty are already full and everything is small. Not beautifully obtained. You need to know the measure.
    2. +1
      13 September 2017 00: 33
      Vanka 4 by the way in Tatar knew was not ignoramus.
  3. +15
    12 September 2017 15: 50
    For some of those in power in Tatarstan, it’s time to tighten the screws, it’s better to do it now than to rake it later.
    1. +4
      13 September 2017 13: 21
      Not "to some", but to every first.
  4. 0
    12 September 2017 15: 55
    And what is the problem? What is forbidden to speak Russian in a separate country? So you can throw halfway through the world! Almost everywhere there are Russian diasporas. No, to a strange monastery ...
    1. The comment was deleted.
    2. +1
      14 September 2017 07: 02
      The monastery, by the way, is not a stranger, but ours.
  5. +12
    12 September 2017 16: 03
    Two questions need to be resolved: about the native language, which should be studied voluntarily, and about Wahhabism, which is aggressive towards other religions, even traditional Islam, and instills chauvinistic ideas. It is necessary to speak about this openly, at all levels, before it is too late. It's about the stability of our country. Why is the Duma aloof?
    1. +10
      12 September 2017 16: 40
      they don’t care, being in the Duma is a monetary matter hi
  6. +2
    12 September 2017 16: 40
    Phew! How unpatriotic ....
  7. +8
    12 September 2017 16: 42
    there are a lot of problems with national politics in the national republics; I myself live in this ... starting from getting a job and so on ...
  8. +3
    12 September 2017 17: 32
    Little ushkuyniki and Ivan Vasilievich, afterwards, added the mind through the back gate, eliminated either.
    1. +4
      13 September 2017 01: 24
      Throw firewood further into the furnace of ethnic hatred, then just do not be surprised at the consequences.
  9. +5
    12 September 2017 17: 45
    Why publish such bullshit, all my life (52 years) I have been living in Kazan and have not seen or heard anything like it.
    1. +12
      12 September 2017 18: 24
      is inclined to assume that all the same it’s not nonsense hi
  10. +8
    12 September 2017 18: 00
    Good evening.
    Born and raised in Kazan, Russian. I read and wonder what is wrong with children learning three languages? That the Russian restriction was bad, but it seems like the situation is normalizing. If anyone understands it, and he is for only the mother tongue to be taught at school, and the rest only voluntarily, then I do not observe in Russia a huge number of English, Germans, and French. And foreign languages ​​at school are a compulsory subject. Let us ban them, we will leave only our own. Why am I leading this, Tatar is the same foreign language, knowing it, you can communicate normally in Turkey, Egypt, and other Turkic-speaking countries. Stop pumping nat. hysteria. Everything in our country is normal. By the way, I also studied Tatar, and nothing is alive healthy.
    1. +11
      12 September 2017 18: 22
      I explain popularly - English, French, etc. these are essentially languages ​​of international communication this time
      if the study of the Tatra language was voluntary, there would be no questions, but why impose its study on everyone without exception?
      1. +7
        12 September 2017 21: 05
        Studying any other (non-native) language, brings nothing but benefit - firstly, knowledge of an additional language can sometimes help in life, and secondly, additional brain activity has never harmed anyone. If you do not want your children to be smart and educated, forbid not only learning languages, but do not let them go to school ... Nobody is captive.
        1. +9
          12 September 2017 21: 16
          Based on the article, it’s not the benefit but the harm .... but studying the language used in the territory of the republic the size of Lithuania, if you are not a linguist or culturologist and this is not your native language, it will not bring you any particular benefit hi
        2. +12
          13 September 2017 10: 57
          Learning any other
          - an absolute lie. Language is a means of acquiring knowledge. I don't need Kazakh, Ukrainian or Belarusian so much that I can only wipe myself with them. Little German is needed. Perhaps you need Chinese (for today - tomorrow you will need as much as possible). English and Russian are absolutely necessary. All four of these languages ​​are representatives of absolutely strong languages. Technical progress is written / forged on them. They are being worked on. They are used to publish the valuable. Because I'm not sitting out my pants or toil with purely "spiritual" garbage - R&D keeps me warm and fed. An additional language must be chosen voluntarily for everyone. Let the requirement for a 2nd language be mandatory. But the language itself has no right to be imposed.

          Seriously, it’s so much a bum that it’s not comprehensible to the mind - as with the request for the forced baptism of a child as a baby. What is this right to dispose of someone else's life ?! Here will be a child of 18 years old, there will be the rudiment of intellect, now let him completely decide what to believe in him - Buddhism, Islam, Catholicism or faith in atheism / Oracle / cthulhu / pasta_monster. Parents do not have the right to force a child to believe in something. Otherwise, this is not a free citizen, but a real slave to his ancestors.

          With languages, everything is exactly the same - everyone has the right to send demands to the childbearing body about "learning the languages ​​of small language groups", because they are worthless (these languages). Technocrat they do not need. Will the child receive at least solid deuces in such subjects - I will absolutely side. And from class to class I’ll break through anyway, despite any obstacles - there’s enough strength for the lawyer. For we live in the Russian Federation (and not in Tatarstan / Bashkiria / etc.). The main language is “Russian” - let him teach any other based on his tastes, and not someone from the local kings.
          1. +2
            13 September 2017 23: 03
            You have some kind of logical dissonance: moreover, faith and language learning, you somehow bogged down everything. If the republic adopted a law on learning the local language, you must learn it, then it would be logical in the law to write down the obligation, or rather the possibility of replacing it with another subject, here for such cases. And if you haven’t done this, please teach and don’t cry! And these are not small language groups in Tatar 4 million people speak.
            1. +6
              14 September 2017 05: 24
              And if you haven’t done this, please teach and don’t cry! And these are not small language groups in Tatar 4 million people speak.

              4 million - this is generally "no one can call." Nothing of value is carried in the technological aspect. And they have no right to force me to learn the language - I am not a slave or a sub-dog. And I absolutely do not care what the local registered there. He wants a showdown - welcome to the court (of course, not the local one, where everyone is “his”).
              1. The comment was deleted.
          2. 0
            16 September 2017 13: 34
            Quote: S-Kerrigan
            Seriously, it’s so much a bum that it’s not comprehensible to the mind - as with the request for the forced baptism of a child as a baby. What is this right to dispose of someone else's life ?! Here will be a child of 18 years old, there will be the rudiment of intellect, now let him completely decide what to believe in him - Buddhism, Islam, Catholicism or faith in atheism / Oracle / cthulhu / pasta_monster. Parents do not have the right to force a child to believe in something. Otherwise, this is not a free citizen, but a real slave to his ancestors.

            Yes, you, my friend, a true liberal. So, in Sweden, they also reasoned the same way and decided that the child would grow up and only then decide which sex is best for him ... True democracy in action. http://www.bbc.com/russian/society/2011/06/110627
            _egalia_sweden_kindegarten.shtml? MOB
            1. 0
              18 September 2017 04: 36
              Sweden (its citizens) judged so? Did they make that decision? OK. No problems - this does not pose any threat to us. So, purely in their legal field - whatever they want, let them do it. No one here calls for forced relocation to the same Sweden (they still will not be allowed to go there just like that).
              1. 0
                18 September 2017 17: 54
                I did not correctly express my thought. If you do not raise a child in the traditions of your people, in your faith, then a preacher will come from some sect or, even worse, a Wahhabi and will correctly and intelligently explain that his faith is the most correct. And he will teach him how to deal with the "infidels." And a child without faith will succumb to him. Therefore, you can’t wait until he grows up and chooses. From an early age, one must learn to distinguish between good and evil.
                But the rite of baptism itself does not oblige a person to be only a Christian. If he grows up, he chooses, but you still need to learn from childhood, otherwise ... "a holy place does not exist empty," see above.
                1. 0
                  22 September 2017 06: 22
                  then a preacher will come from some sect, or, even worse, a Wahhabi, who will correctly and intelligently explain that his faith is the most correct.

                  Ok, a good argument is accepted. Then a correction from me: it’s clear that for my part I must “tell” the children about the “current state of affairs”. By no means in the key "we are cotton, there are pan-and-leg ... why? Yes because!". No, I'm a supporter of transparency and honesty. Including with regards to myself - when they grow up and begin to understand something, I consider it necessary to tell them about their dark sides. To show by my own example the need to be honest with oneself. Well, of course, it must be explained that children should not be slaves of their parents and their desires - they have their own lives, for which they alone should be responsible.

                  As for baptism - if it does not, then it is not necessary to do it. Occam's Razor (c).
          3. +2
            16 September 2017 14: 16
            Quote: S-Kerrigan
            What is this right to dispose of someone else's life ?! Here will be a child of 18 years old, there will be the rudiment of intelligence, now let him absolutely decide what to believe in him

            and if he dies before 18? So will die unbaptized? And who will be to blame for this?
            1. 0
              18 September 2017 04: 33
              and if he dies before 18? So will die unbaptized? And who will be to blame for this?

              For me personally, his death will be a tragedy - "wrong" when the parents bury their children. The fact that he will not be baptized will never thrill me in any way at all. It means absolutely nothing.
              1. +1
                18 September 2017 06: 28
                Quote: S-Kerrigan
                The fact that he will not be baptized - I never

                well it’s clear, I'm talking about a child
                Quote: S-Kerrigan
                on the forced baptism of a child as a baby. What is this right to dispose of someone else's life ?!

                it’s interesting, for some reason, it is necessary to teach forcibly, to instill in him an ideology (for example, a communist one), but it is impossible to baptize (although it is necessary)?
                1. 0
                  22 September 2017 06: 24
                  for some reason, it is necessary to teach forcibly, to instill in him an ideology (for example, a communist one),

                  This gives him an increased chance of survival.
                  But you can’t baptize (although it is necessary)

                  It gives nothing.

                  He grows up, wants - let him be baptized, I will not mind.
                  1. +1
                    22 September 2017 06: 31
                    Quote: S-Kerrigan
                    This gives him an increased chance of survival.

                    laughing there’s nothing more to talk about
      2. +4
        13 September 2017 08: 58
        Quote: faiver
        I explain popularly - English, French, etc. these are essentially languages ​​of international communication this time
        if the study of the Tatra language was voluntary, there would be no questions, but why impose its study on everyone without exception?

        Tatar is the language of the Turkic language group! The peoples speaking Turkic languages ​​inhabit the vast territories of the world!
        ... voluntarily or forcibly study math? But she is the "international" language of science ...
        For students - just give freedom of choice! They will immediately choose football, girls' gatherings, computer games and social networks! ... (already chosen ...)
  11. +5
    12 September 2017 18: 45
    What and how there actually let the Ministry of Education and the prosecutor's office understand, but in essence, if for most people there, Russian is not native, then at least for domestic relations, it is better to know the language, in this case Tatar.
    Yes, the vast majority know Russian, but purely humanly, if you turn to a person in his native language, this will be correct.
    And to learn by force is too much, except for rejection it will not cause anything. There are a certain number of training hours approved at the ministry level, even if they are followed.
    1. +4
      12 September 2017 21: 35
      if for most people there, Russian is not native, then at least for domestic relations, it is better to know the language, in this case Tatar .. according to the official census in Tatarstan, 28% of all Tatars .. the rest are Russian 48% and Bashkirs ...
      1. +1
        14 September 2017 16: 12
        Tatars 53%, Russian 39% the problem is it must be carefully and delicately resolved. Russians are offended by the fact that they are forced to learn Tatar, the Tatars that their language is not used, there is no higher education with at least some subjects in Tatar. Why study for example at the Volga Federal University in Kazan, do not make some groups with a Tat language, The teacher is full of Tatars. At 70, one professor in the Tatar higher mathematics tried. EHE let them hand in their own, what's the problem?
    2. +3
      13 September 2017 08: 50
      Quote: Razvedka_Boem
      Yes, the vast majority know Russian, but purely humanly, if you turn to a person in his native language, this will be correct.

      Yeah, I'm Russian; my two daughters are fluent in Tatar - they communicate, though - like the Tatars themselves: through two Tatar words - one Russian ... well, to the same extent as I myself, who was born all my life in Tatarstan and Bashkiria ...
      But! Here you come to the district administration ... the city government ... the ministry, finally; and the question asked in Russian is pointedly answered by you in Tatar!
      Here you have to "show education" - communication goes to the internationally abusive ... Well, they will not be banned here, at the very most - they will call the police who are fluent in this language!
      1. +4
        13 September 2017 09: 53
        and the question asked in Russian is pointedly answered by you in Tatar!
        , this is a manifestation of nationalism ....
      2. 0
        13 September 2017 19: 55
        To start, write and hang on YouTube. And then to the Prosecutor General.
      3. +2
        13 September 2017 23: 07
        Well, do not exaggerate, I have never met such a thing in Kazan. Everyone communicates normally in Russian, maybe you somehow look “wrong” and they try to speak you in Tatar. Neither me, nor his wife, many took her for a Tatar, spoke in local, but as soon as they realized their mistake, they immediately switched to Russian)
      4. +1
        14 September 2017 16: 16
        Yes, do not compose I live in Tatarstan, I know Tatar, I will turn to the Tatars' officials in Tatar in response to them in Russian.
  12. +6
    12 September 2017 21: 05
    There is a constitution. Any violation should be brutally suppressed. There are more than 140 nationalities in Russia, and if this is left to chance, then we will rake for a long time.
    1. +4
      12 September 2017 23: 06
      There are more than 140 nationalities in Russia, and if this is left to chance, then we will rake for a long time.
      Yes, we come to the fact that there will be 140 states, and the Russians will become non-citizens in 139 of them, despite the majority.
  13. +4
    12 September 2017 21: 33
    it seems time to put forward a new Ivan the Terrible and take Kazan ....... obviously the Saudis are stirring up in Tatarstan .... where is the FSB looking ..?
    1. 0
      14 September 2017 16: 18
      Ivan Vasilievich has long changed his profession.
  14. +3
    12 September 2017 21: 49
    I grew up in Chuvashia, we also had subjects of the Chuvash language and Chuvash literature. I usually learned a verse in Chuvash, I got 5, and that's all, turn off half of me from me
  15. +3
    12 September 2017 22: 54
    The article is not worth a damn. Moreover, it is provocative, calls have already appeared for the "challenge of Ivan the Terrible." The training is carried out in separate Russian groups and it is facilitated, there is nothing complicated there ().
    1. +2
      13 September 2017 09: 55
      yes yes yes .... freshly giving ...
  16. +8
    12 September 2017 23: 03
    Flirting with autonomy will inevitably lead to an upsurge of nationalism and ruin our state, if you do not take measures to unitarize the country - there are many peoples, but one nation - one language - one culture. Even the head of Tatarstan already speaks Russian poorly. After 20-30 years, it’s already impossible to bring the country together.
    Everything is compounded by the fact that Russian nationalism is strongly condemned in every way, and the nationalism of other peoples living in Russia is considered normal and considered with local nationalists.
    1. +1
      13 September 2017 23: 09
      Nationalism is like a medicine - it must be used carefully and only as prescribed by the authorities. Otherwise, Ukraine is an example to you!
  17. +5
    12 September 2017 23: 17
    The Russian language from the instrument of the state purposefully turns into the language of a national minority. The killing of the Russian language as a state language is a manifestation of the collapse of this state. No other language can replace it. Even in Ukraine, serious processes are managed in Russian.
  18. +2
    12 September 2017 23: 38
    Yeltsin’s nonsense: “take power as you want,” it is already heard in Russia. If the central government confines itself only to reproaches, a very bad situation will mature. Why do not they catch any "muftis" from abroad? Dripping on the brains of the youth of Tatarstan will not end well. Such things should be stopped immediately and at the root. Everything may end with an attempted armed collapse of Russia from within.
    1. +1
      13 September 2017 09: 57
      and not only the youth of Tatarstan in other national republics are about the same
    2. 0
      14 September 2017 16: 26
      My friend seems to be confusing you, remind us all why the Russian Empire fell apart. I thought that because of the war, the stupid tsar and the Bolsheviks of the opposition.
  19. 0
    12 September 2017 23: 46
    Quote: iouris
    The Russian language from the instrument of the state purposefully turns into the language of a national minority. The killing of the Russian language as a state language is a manifestation of the collapse of this state. No other language can replace it. Even in Ukraine, serious processes are managed in Russian.

    Responsibly declare there is no murder of the Russian language, so there is no need to hysteria. All education in schools in Russian, even textbooks of the Tatar language in Russian. But there are not so many purely Tatar schools. And I consider the equal ratio of hours in Russian and Tatar to be fair.
  20. +4
    13 September 2017 00: 18
    Difficult question. There is no ready-made solution. On the one hand - "They beat ours!" On the other hand, a quarter of the country's population speaks Tatar or related languages. Have you met a lot of English, French, Germans in your city? And Tatars are in every Russian city. We should learn to take care of our culture in this way. Understanding in Tatar, you will understand half of the visitors from the republics of the USSR. I would generally organize in each school an optional study of the Tatar language.
    Tatar separatism? Sorry, but without the Tatars Russia would not have united. The Kasimov Tatars stood side by side with the Russians on the Ugra River. They fought with Lithuania and the Livonians. Ivan the Terrible - he is generally a direct descendant of Mamaia on the maternal line. Yes, that same Mamai from the Kulikov field. The Romanov dynasty led its kind from the legendary Murza Chet. That is, they were Genghisides.
    And one more thing ...
    EVERYONE HAS THE RIGHT TO BE Proud OF HIS PEOPLE, HIS ANCESTORS. EVERYONE IS SIMPLY OBLIGED TO BE Proud OF THEM ... BUT! NOBODY HAS THE RIGHT TO DESTROY WHAT ITS PEOPLE TOGETHER WITH OTHER PEOPLES (RUSSIAN, TATAR, BASHKIR, OSSETIAN, MORDOVIAN, CHUVASH, LEZGIN, WAYNAMISMISKISMISKISMISKISMISKY THIS MAN IS AN ENEMY, AND WILL BE SUBJECT TO UNCONDITIONAL DESTRUCTION. AND IT ISN’T IMPORTANT HOW IT DOES IT WITH A WORD, MATTER, FEATHER OR WEAPON. THIS MAN IS A TRAITOR, AND STEPS WITH IT SHOULD RESPONSIBLY.
    1. +4
      13 September 2017 11: 22
      THIS MAN IS AN ENEMY, AND WILL BE SUBJECT TO UNCONDITIONAL DESTRUCTION.

      So long as the land carries such, we will have the state-va that are biting with each other. A single planet will never become. It is necessary to eliminate such. Otherwise, every N-year there will be a planetary meat grinder. Zadolbali.

      When you understand that there are no rubber resources indefinitely, always some cultures will be higher in every sense. And they will destroy the defeated cultures. And to resist this is the forerunner of Ludism. For technocracy normally has no development while all this squabble is going on. Here it is necessary to move science and conquer the stars, to expand the halo of human habitation. Instead, the eternal squabble in a circle is only due to the fact that someone does not have the strength to admit their worthlessness and stop defending it. Someone there demolished a monument, defends small-town languages ​​or promotes culture in two wordings (greetings from the Kazakhstan textbook “the first astronaut - Toktar Aubakirov” - it seems that they did not lie, but it is written so that there is no explicit indication that he was not absolutely the first ) And I don’t see the end / edge of such nerds.
      1. +1
        13 September 2017 11: 29
        So ... Conquer the stars ... And who needs it? Well, what did you personally do to conquer the stars? Pulled the phrase out of context?
        1. +2
          13 September 2017 11: 32
          Pulled the phrase out of context?

          Not at all - I work. The result of my work is people who are kicked out of work. Replacing hardware and software systems. I train cars to work instead of people.

          From particulars - the same reductions in the Savings Bank. Throw out thousands of employees. Change them to a script. We make progress as close as we can. This is an example of industrial automation. As a result, the efficiency increases many times. And there will be less squabbles on the meager fractions. What to do with this from a human point of view is that let economists have a headache.
          1. +1
            13 September 2017 12: 37
            Yeah! There he is! That's why at the beginning of August one ATM worked throughout Anapa! And that one is near the sanatorium of the state bank! smile And by the way. And then the stars?
            1. +1
              13 September 2017 13: 04
              Yeah! There he is! That's why at the beginning of August one ATM worked throughout Anapa!

              Oke, we write off the peculiar sense of humor you have.
              What does the star have to do with it? Well, how can I say something else? I, as I can, move scientific and technological progress forward. And "space" is the goal, which is achieved by the huge volume of this very progress in man-years. Personally, I am busy in various complexes. Sberbank is just an example. There are other offices / tasks.
              1. +1
                13 September 2017 14: 41
                Fine! What about the rubber resources. About fifty years ago, they have been talking about the bottom of the oil barrel. And the problem of “where to sell them” is much more acute than the problem of “where to get them”. Or do you mean recreational resources
                1. +1
                  14 September 2017 05: 31
                  fifty years already

                  I propose to stop being a small child and finally think like an adult. And that means critical and multifaceted. Planet Earth is billions of years old. Life exists for many tens of millions of years. "Smart" humanity exists from the strength of 200 years. Oil is extracted a few less years. All the time that people have grown, every day of our existence, we discover / learn something new. Deposits of the same oil are no exception. Further, the same 50 years ago there was no huge breakthrough of the technologies that are now - part of the reserves known then were considered not a priori recoverable. The part was considered unprofitable. But all this in itself works perfectly in the "sphero-windowed world." But we live bl ... people: i.e. there are still a bunch of factors on the basis of speculation and the rest, so inherent in us (Homo sapiens).
                  1. +1
                    14 September 2017 07: 50
                    Tens of millions of years ... I’m walking in my mountains and I’m not one billion. And the mountains, the sea and beer have one name for me. Well, what resources are missing? You didn’t answer?
  21. +2
    13 September 2017 00: 57
    extra 5 hours a week for children, no way ... for the sake of self-affirmation-3 hours a week Russian- 3 English and 3 Tatar- equally:) unnecessary load on children
  22. +6
    13 September 2017 05: 49
    Famous expression: "How many languages ​​you know, how many times you are a man" ...
    Modern Tatar somehow knows the Tatar language and, much better, Russian. Plus, English as the language of international communication. And living on the same earth with him is Russian - only Russian. And one of the required languages ​​of the school curriculum ...
    I think it cannot be denied that the Russian people have for centuries built an empire. And one of the signs of the nation-creator of the empire is the ability to speak with a conquered or joined imperial subject in his language. The modern Russian people have lost imperial qualities, their own culture and language, so what about the languages ​​of other peoples. It remains to live only with memories of past greatness. But this is a dead end.
    1. +3
      13 September 2017 08: 35
      Quote: tasha
      Famous expression: "How many languages ​​you know, how many times you are a man" ...
      Modern Tatar somehow knows the Tatar language and, much better, Russian. Plus, English as the language of international communication. And living on the same earth with him is Russian - only Russian. And one of the required languages ​​of the school curriculum ...

      Nah ...
      Write a scientific work on quantum physics in the Tatar language! Does not work? Well, at least in Turkish ... any of the languages ​​of the Turkic group!
      ... Ah, doesn't it come out? For some reason, everything turns out in English ...
      But in Russian - easily! And in any Romano-Germanic, or in Hindi, say ...
      -----------------
      languages ​​are very different tools, and not only interpersonal communication, but also - the creation of culture as the basis of human civilization!
      ... though - were the African, Asian and American peoples enslaved by the "advanced Europeans" "backward savages"? Owning at the time of "enslavement" knowledge of cosmogony, psychic psychotechnics, etc. ... Question !!!
      --------------------------
      with "imperial ambitions" ... hmm hmm ... something in the word "alien" is still imperial ...
      And for the attitude to the language - of course +!
      1. +2
        13 September 2017 09: 03
        Nah ...
        Write a scientific work on quantum physics in the Tatar language!

        I can not understand the meaning of your remark. I can only assume that you are trying with this argument to justify the unwillingness of Russians living in Tatarstan, Kyrgyzstan or Kazakhstan to study the Tatar, Kyrgyz or Kazakh language at least at the household level?
        1. +2
          13 September 2017 09: 18
          Quote: tasha
          Nah ...
          Write a scientific work on quantum physics in the Tatar language!

          I can not understand the meaning of your remark. I can only assume that you are trying with this argument to justify the unwillingness of Russians living in Tatarstan, Kyrgyzstan or Kazakhstan to study the Tatar, Kyrgyz or Kazakh language at least at the household level?

          I.V. Stalin "Marxism and the questions of linguistics", look, read - maybe you will understand ...
          And I'm not trying to justify anything; if "unwanted" - then there is no need!
          Try to live 3-4 months in Germany or England; make sure - learn the language just well, involuntarily! Without any courses and dictionaries - in colloquial minimum volume ... Because - a necessity !!!
          And here she is not! no, that's it - this very “necessity”!
          ... and man is an animal lazy by nature, however ... (... the grumbling of an old elderly old pensioner ...)
          1. +1
            13 September 2017 09: 24
            Here it is ... There is no need .. Your truth. Plus, too lazy. Well, there is something else that I noticed of the peculiarities of the Russian people ... And not advertised .. And they do not honor the Russian people ...
            1. +1
              13 September 2017 09: 40
              Quote: tasha
              Plus laziness. Well, there is something else that I noticed of the peculiarities of the Russian people ... And not advertised .. And they do not honor the Russian people ...

              ... inherent absolutely all nationsbelonging to the human race ....
              -----------------
              ... we have problems with pedagogy!
              An old friend (almost like me ...) arrived here from Switzerland (French-speaking) here recently; with the granddaughter. Here she speaks Russian well (albeit with an accent) - oh yes, and he himself is a "Jew of Russian-Ukrainian nationality." Communicated with peers - 13-14 years old; somehow came home, and issued the phrase: "They all have such a Russian character!"
              AND??? Like this? And here's how: - "They don’t think about the future at all!" those. - who will be, whom to study, who to work for, how much - yes, yes, hell! - plan to receive money for their work !!! Here they are THERE - they plan IT, and think about IT from the age of 5-6! And in our country and in high schools they come with uncertainty about the profession ...
              So - in our country - this is a gap in pedagogy! and successfully "go around" this gap unless the Jews ....
              ---------------------------------
              And with regards to
              Something else that I noticed of the peculiarities of the Russian people ... And not advertised .. And they do not do honor to the Russian people ...
              - What is it like? We wander this to ourselves “among the people” and notice such peculiarities? ...
              ... "There is no need to blame the mirror ...", and further - according to the text! as the same PEOPLE say!
              1. +1
                13 September 2017 09: 56
                Good granddaughter, will go far. If from childhood I heard conversations like: “you’ll study well, you will get a good profession and you will earn a lot of money”, then there is nothing surprising in such views on life ...
                And returning to the topic - What did children in Russian families hear and hear (during the USSR and now) such that they categorically have no need and desire to learn the Tatar language as a second, for example ... That's it ...
              2. +1
                13 September 2017 10: 01
                - What is it like? We wander this to ourselves “among the people” and notice such peculiarities? ...

                We do not wander, but live, where to go. We are observing, we are getting a life experience that says that one can expect such actions from this person, others from this ..
                1. +1
                  13 September 2017 10: 59
                  Quote: tasha
                  We do not wander, but live, where to go. We are observing, we are getting a life experience that says that one can expect such actions from this person, others from this ..

                  Once again, I recall the words of the great and wise ... such a peasant - Dersu Uzala (in the movie of the same name - Maxim Munzuk): “Taiga walks different people! A bear walks, a deer walks, a duck walks ... Amba (tiger) also walks! Bad the man walks too! " (there a gold trap for game - a pit trap - was called "people"! for "different people").
                  .... And what actions should you expect from you?
                  ... however (follows from the comments), the question is rhetorical!
                  1. +1
                    13 September 2017 11: 13
                    Do not share what follows from my comments and what actions I am capable of?
                    1. +1
                      13 September 2017 11: 20
                      Quote: tasha
                      Do not share what follows from my comments and what actions I am capable of?

                      What for? Why share that mine is mine!
                      In his youth, one person told me: "People are all different! And this is good!
                      There would be the same round balls like billiard balls - it would be what the “e-ks" is in the Western sense: collided, cracked! - and rolled ... But no: - each has its own notches, potholes, notches; your weight and diameter!
                      ... which creates the prerequisites not for "se-ksa in a western way", but for "love in Russian" ... "Well, that is, humanly!"
                      And you are clearly asking for a "crack"!
                      1. +1
                        13 September 2017 11: 26
                        There are balls empty inside, such as the following thought:
                        ... however (follows from the comments), the question is rhetorical!

                        I drove off. Somehow, I think, there is still reason to talk. Good luck to you.
  23. +1
    13 September 2017 07: 53
    To learn the Tatar language is useful- one of the most common languages ​​... in the Turkic they say:
    - Kazakhs
    -Azerbaijanis
    -Uzbeki
    - Other Tatars
    - Turks
    - Turkmens
    -Kyrgyz

    And you can communicate with everyone in one way or another.
    1. +4
      13 September 2017 11: 29
      And you can communicate with everyone in one way or another.

      Instead of communicating in languages ​​of the second or third grade, let them communicate with me in languages ​​of the first grade. Don't want to in Russian, then will be talk with me in English. No troubles, just is business-line.

      I have the right to choose what to spend my resources in priority. No minor languages ​​carry anything to me from the technological side.
      1. +4
        13 September 2017 11: 46
        Instead of communicating in languages ​​of the second or third grade, let them communicate with me in languages ​​of the first grade.

        Right And then to collect all speakers of second-class languages ​​in "specially protected" places. And we build in the shower such a special one, so that they do not interfere with top-notch living ... And fertilize cabbage with ash ...
        In the world of native speakers of Chinese - for a billion people. English and Spanish - another billion. Against this background, Russian with its 170 million somehow know ....
        1. +4
          13 September 2017 11: 59
          We don’t confuse warm with soft!
          The point is not the number of carriers, but the technological potential. Today, English / German / Russian has this potential. These are military command languages. Very abbreviated (compared to Chinese or Japanese). Plus, in these languages ​​the strongest technological background.

          And then to collect all speakers of second-class languages ​​in "specially protected" places. And we build in the shower such a special one, so that they do not interfere with top-notch life ... And fertilize cabbage with ash ..

          I did not say that. I said otherwise (and you have already attributed the extra) to me - the evolution of society seeks to get rid of atavisms. People are resisting this. This is a hindrance. I made a choice not to resist it (for the technocrat). GMOs / fusion / silicone boobs / telecommuting and research / 3D printing / human genetic engineering - I am for all this. And all this will not help in any way the knowledge of the same Turkic language groups.

          Does the Japanese want to discuss something with me? I will not speak Japanese with him. Let him speak English / German / Russian with me. And usually this Japanese recognizes and understands.
          1. +2
            13 September 2017 12: 05
            Well, maybe I'm confusing.
            Maybe you are mistaken in assessing the potential of the Russian language and putting it on a par with, for example, English?
            Especially about the technological background ...
            1. +1
              13 September 2017 12: 59
              Especially about the technological background ...

              Classic businessmen are able to count investments / costs / benefits / profits. In the west it is absorbed "with milk." With all this, the "post-Soviet" IT segment is one of the most popular in the world today. If there is a skill to work in a distributed team, knowledge of English, then Western firms are willing to pay one of the highest rates among all other remote managers to a "Russian" specialist: 5-8k $ / month. By ability, we confidently go around the entire segment of East / Asia. Only the Japanese are close in skills, but working with them is somewhat more difficult due to a too different mentality. But I'm all about IT broadcasting.
              However, the “Russian” background is strong in the space industry / military (even microelectronics is very micro-sized and is developing) / atomic / aviation (yes, we still have strong specialists even in the civilian sector, there is their “school”) . Due to these factors, the Russian background is quite comparable to the German one. And clearly higher today is already Japanese.

              Of the major global players now on the planet are:
              USA, China, South Korea, Japan, Germany, and ... Russia / Israel. All, there are no more powerful technology players. At the same time, the USA, Korea, Japan, Israel - communicate in English. China - Chinese / Russian / English. Germany - German / Russian / English, Russian Federation - Russian / English / German / Chinese. I am talking primarily about technology areas and international projects.
              1. +3
                13 September 2017 13: 12
                Background - is it an interesting word, was it written off from birch bark? wink
                That's exactly what Western firms are “Russian”, as you write to a specialist, ready to pay more .. Can't you see the catch? Yes, and, as I think, this is one of the most common mistakes among freelancers / deletors of delusions ... Like passages like: "By ability, we confidently go around the entire segment of East / Asia."
                1. +1
                  14 September 2017 05: 35
                  Background - is it an interesting word, was it written off from birch bark?

                  I did not understand this joke at all.

                  I myself work in distributed teams. Always and everywhere we (Russian-speaking) are placed in the most responsible areas. At the same time, they also criticize less than the rest.
                  1. +2
                    14 September 2017 06: 07
                    good afternoon
                    Have you ever wondered who creates these responsible areas? And what language do you speak with the potential employer? And do not be mistaken that you are an extremely valuable specialist for him, only because Russian is the main language for you ...
                    Examples from the IT sphere do not give you the right to classify languages ​​as languages ​​of the first or second grade. Once again for technocrats - ignorance of the language of the people on the same earth with which you live - characterizes a person from a not very positive side.
                    1. +1
                      18 September 2017 04: 48
                      Examples from the IT sphere do not give you the right to classify languages ​​as languages ​​of the first or second grade.

                      Once again, if you are behind reality, IT is not just about riveting websites.
                      Now, without this industry, nothing works fine. From power plants (power grids) to a tech-bio-chemist. Everywhere computers, everywhere software. Everywhere in high-tech you need to have knowledge of advanced work with all this. When I go through interviews with Western firms, it constantly goes my plus that I’m exactly “Russian”. Because there are a lot of "us" there - large firms can allow the creation of entire teams of immigrants from the post-USSR. This gives simplified communication. Russian specialists are greatly appreciated abroad. Where others get stuck, you find solutions. We have a strong engineering school.

                      characterizes a person from a not very positive side.

                      Measuring a person on this basis characterizes people as mentally retarded - a person must be judged / appreciated for his misconduct and achievements.
                      I don’t commit acts especially hard (the car is not on the lawn, I will give a “helping hand” if necessary, I pay taxes, I live and spend what I earned there) I don’t give bribes, I don’t drink alcohol, I don’t smoke tobacco, etc. ), there are also achievements. And for that matter, the most important language for me personally is the language of machines, because I work with them. And the language of cars is based on English. It will be more important for a small-town one, on whom nothing depends at all - a competent specialist must know the language of the industry, i.e. English. On it, I can already have useful connections if a person does not know Russian.
                      1. 0
                        18 September 2017 05: 07
                        if you are behind reality, IT is not just riveting sites.

                        Yes, what are you?
                        And for that matter, the most important language for me personally is the language of machines

                        Happy for you. And there is nothing to discuss about the value of Russian, English and other languages. However - this is a typical look of a kid-IT guy who grabbed the tops of life. Those are still arrogant .. I have no doubt in your achievements, skills and knowledge. But they talked like that in the 2000's ... And about a strong engineering school at the same time.
                        Measuring a person on this basis characterizes people as mentally retarded - a person must be judged / appreciated for his misconduct and achievements.

                        With obvious things you can’t argue where to go .. wink You know how to notice and express them accurately ... wink Mental retardation is to say that there are languages ​​of the first and second grade. And ears stick out from .... (where? I won’t write - you will understand) ...
                  2. 0
                    15 September 2017 15: 47
                    while corporate correspondence and CRM in English, and have to work in Uzbekistan and Azerbaijan ..
      2. +4
        13 September 2017 12: 26
        Quote: S-Kerrigan
        No minor languages ​​carry anything from the technological side to me.

        There are no secondary languages. There is a mother language and there is a state language in which complex social and production processes are managed. In the same Germany or Switzerland, there are many German dialects, but an educated person must master “high German” (Hochdeutsch), i.e. language of official documents of the state and organizations. Only this language gives scientific definitions of concepts. Only mastering this language can make a career in public administration and business. In this sense, there is a Russian mother and Russian state. What kind of Russian language is the discussion about? The diminution of the role and importance of the state language is the result of the collapse of the state, because this disrupts communication.
        1. +2
          14 September 2017 05: 39
          There are no secondary languages.

          Seriously, why do you have such a blundered worldview? This is a lie to oneself - there is always the main, there is a subordinate. There is no equality anywhere and never. Why not call a spade a spade? There are languages ​​with great potential, there are languages ​​with little, there are worthless - useless ... like the same Portuguese ... yes, a breakthrough of people speaks it, but these are not the people with whom there is something to talk about in terms of rocket science. Recreation? Yes. Culture? Yes. Some kind of story? Yes. "For a life"? Yes. But not technological stacks!
      3. 0
        13 September 2017 23: 26
        Poroshenko is not your relative. He also somehow expresses his thoughts, only he has Russian just in the category of third-grade languages.
      4. 0
        14 September 2017 19: 20
        You can bring them technological knowledge ... for the money!
  24. +2
    13 September 2017 08: 25
    The situation described in the article has a declination in one direction or another depending on the regions ... and this is despite the support of government forces in the study of (yet yes, compulsory) Tatar language. Tatars themselves are not too inclined to learn Tatar - native! - language beyond speaking skills! The same applies to literature - the vast majority of significant writers and Tatars are Russian-speaking. (Here it would be worth recalling Stalin - "Marxism and the problems of linguistics", 1950, it seems).
    The situation is aggravated by the fact that there is no place to use the Tatar language - except in the village, for grazing cows ... In state documents - there are discrepancies in semantics (distortion of meaning in translation); in scientific literature - Volyapyuk from the Russian-Tatar-English text ... In fiction - the prevalence of Russian-language texts despite the frantic lobbying of the Tatar.
    ------------------------------
    ... yes, this is Shaimiev’s enduring legacy, the consequences of his flirting at the beginning of his reign with radical Islamists!
    The current leadership does not risk pampering with them ... But - let the goat one day in the garden, then you won’t drive it out! What, in fact, is happening - do not spread rot for "your own"! who crawl on the back under a shirt ...
  25. +1
    13 September 2017 10: 59
    so that it would not hurt anyone - Russian schoolchildren to teach Russian, Tatar - Tatar. the rest - to choose from.
  26. +6
    13 September 2017 11: 37
    Tatarstan should be liquidated as a surrogate entity within the Russian Federation that did not sign a federal agreement.

    In the place of Tatarstan, the federal authorities should establish the Kazan region with the Russian language as the state language, the Tatar minority should receive their schools and universities with instruction in the Tatar language.
    1. +3
      13 September 2017 12: 00
      Great you came up with. And Russia, as a country that does not fit into the world order, should be transformed into several states ... There are 7 billion people in the world ... And then 150 million total. Heh, statistical error ....
      1. +1
        13 September 2017 13: 09
        You are weak in arithmetic: Russia has 600 tons of plutonium (which is equivalent to 100000 thermonuclear charges of the megaton class), the rest of the world - is much less.
        Yes, and in today's world order, dictated by Buddhist China (1,5 billion), Christian America, Europe and Russia (1 billion) and Hindu India (0,9 billion), you do not fit with your "Tatarstan".

        The illegal formation of Tatarstan should be eliminated and a referendum on the formation of the Kazan region should be held by federal authorities on its territory. The Russian-speaking population will happily vote for the creation of a legitimate subject of the Russian Federation, as well as elect the majority of the head of the regional administration and the legislative assembly. After that, the Tatar minority wishing to exercise their right to study in the Tatar language will be sent to Tatar schools, and the Russian-speaking majority with willing Tatars will exercise their right to study in Russian schools.
        1. +3
          13 September 2017 13: 27
          How famously you distorted. Experience...
          1. +1
            13 September 2017 13: 29
            This is to sober you up - the rams are completely beguiled.
            1. +1
              13 September 2017 13: 36
              However ... Unexpectedly. Nerves play pranks?
              Well, I repeat - "If you and your people turned into cattle, do not be surprised at the gates of the slaughterhouse ...".
              Time will tell..
        2. +2
          14 September 2017 16: 44
          They didn’t forget to ask the Tatars? Then it is necessary to liquidate all the autonomies, Get a huge mass of non-loyal people in difficult times, national liberation
          movement. Repression will be necessary, then it will go over the whole inner life. Then there are two options: hello to the DPRK, or the collapse of the country. This question must be delicately dealt with in the mind and not like an elephant in a glassware shop.
  27. +5
    13 September 2017 12: 08
    While the central authorities will flirt with the nationalities and all these artificial formations (republics) of the communist heritage will not be abolished, this ideology of small but great ones will be planted in Russia.
    1. +1
      13 September 2017 12: 20
      Speak correctly.
      Yes, and something also needs to be done with the Russians. In just a hundred years, they managed to get involved in two wars, twice destroyed their own state, ruined the idea ...
      1. +1
        13 September 2017 12: 42
        Quote: tasha
        Speak correctly.
        Yes, and something also needs to be done with the Russians. In just a hundred years, they managed to get involved in two wars, twice destroyed their own state, ruined the idea ...

        that's about it - about these comments - from which three versts rushing "neat" (read -
        liberal) chauvinism, as I said above ...
        How is it in that cartoon (Pomeranian tales) - in the voice of Yevgeny Leonov: "The appearance will show itself!" no matter how sprinkle with flour ...
        So that:
        I drove off.
        was the right decision!
        1. +2
          13 September 2017 12: 47
          Yeah, harbor? wink
          This is not chauvinism. It's sarcasm...
          1. +2
            13 September 2017 12: 49
            Quote: tasha
            This is not chauvinism. It's sarcasm...

            ... but it smells like chauvinism! I'm not color blind ...
            1. +1
              13 September 2017 13: 00
              It happens. Everyone is wrong. But pleased. Already someone, but they never called me a chauvinist. It’s ridiculous. Misanthropy is yes. It's mine. And state fascism wink

              You pay attention not only to my comments, but also to the comments of those to whom they are addressed. That's where the terry ...
              1. +1
                13 September 2017 13: 04
                Quote: tasha
                Already someone, but they never called me a chauvinist. It’s funny.

                ... laughed!
                Misanthropy is yes. It's mine. And state fascism


                both are so close to chauvinism that it is practically indistinguishable! especially in color ...
                1. +1
                  13 September 2017 13: 41
                  In terminology is not strong.
                  That's when the people of Russia will become my misanthropy, and not certain social and age categories, and when I will consider that the Russian people need to be driven into happiness with a stick, and not humanity as a whole, then we will talk about my chauvinism. In the meantime, I suggest you still pay attention to other commentators ...
                  1. +1
                    13 September 2017 14: 27
                    Quote: tasha
                    In terminology is not strong.
                    ... mine ... when I ... suggest ...

                    “I”, “me”, mine “... Symptomatically!
                    1. +1
                      13 September 2017 14: 48
                      Do not search and do not try. It becomes already simply ugly and tiring ...

                      For your misanthropies, complexes and other oddities, I can’t answer, therefore I write "I", "mine", "when I" ... I think the bad of you is a psychoanalyst. Calm down better, drink tea and eat these soft French rolls ... wink
  28. The comment was deleted.
  29. +2
    13 September 2017 16: 06
    Mention about Bashkiria - a similar situation!
  30. +2
    13 September 2017 20: 41
    Here everything goes exactly as I said back in 2015 ... All the abomination surrounding my country under the guise of brothers-benefactors, uncultivated, long-suffering Muslims - show their true face! What the hell is our top hoping for by letting go of such bastards as Ukrainians? After all, it is from such chubby “comrades” that the temptation begins - to jump off into the gay hands of a tan from the rest? Until it’s too late, we urgently need to deliver a preemptive strike against the Khokhlov, and let it be with thousands of victims - but we’ll keep the borders !!!
  31. +1
    14 September 2017 06: 30
    Can remember Ivan 4? And insert the lyuley.
  32. +1
    14 September 2017 06: 40
    By this P and M, no one explained that the friend should beat his face long and hard, then he will understand what and how.
    1. +1
      14 September 2017 06: 42
      Do not consider it chauvinism and nationalism, but 35 years of life in Kazakhstan only reinforced this opinion.
  33. +2
    14 September 2017 10: 50
    Natsmenov in Russia need to be pressed, dismissed during the 90s and began to take a lot on themselves! It was the Nazis who destroyed the USSR, with their separatism!
    1. +1
      14 September 2017 16: 58
      I’ll publish how Trotsky I remember these times as the Democratic Union screamed on television everywhere that Russia feeds all the Union republics. We will separate ourselves and live well. The president needs Russia to have sovereignty. Do you remember who signed the Bialowieza Agreements? the table then went on foot. The Soviet Union collapsed Russia, Ukraine, Belarus in the person of the then leadership.
      1. +1
        14 September 2017 18: 16
        I am not interested in the lodges of the Soviet national minorities. I was in Crimea in the 80s and I remember very well how all sorts of Bandera lovers tore their shirts and shouted that they were feeding the ever-drunk lazy Russia. By the way, Ukraine adopted a resolution on its sovereignty before the signing of the Bialowieza Agreements and Karabakh began back in the 80s, when the republics of the Caucasus began to shout how independent and independent they were, having started redistributing the borders. Your memory has disappeared from you, but that’s nothing, all the Russian refugees whom all soviet national Nazis drove to Russia from their republics, today in Russia and everyone remembers ... In Russia, they remember how they began to slaughter Uzbeks in Kyrgyz Osh, and then they went to slaughter Russians. .. Remember how they went to slaughter Armenians in Baku, and then they began to slaughter Russians ... And now again, Russia and the Russians are to blame ?! That's why people like you don’t want to see today in Russia .... Your nonsense and Russophobia already make you sick!
  34. +1
    14 September 2017 16: 32
    Tatarstan is the only subject of the Russian Federation to the passport of which a Tatar insert is attached. It’s alarming like that. Tomorrow is Chechnya, the day after tomorrow who else. And what is the fate of the USSR? Many will say, and to hell with them, but remember the tale of a broom.
  35. 0
    14 September 2017 16: 43
    Quote: CONTROL
    Tatar is the language of the Turkic language group! The peoples speaking Turkic languages ​​inhabit the vast territories of the world!

    Almost all European languages ​​are related to Latin, something I never saw manuals for equipment in Latin. feel
  36. +1
    14 September 2017 16: 58
    And where is the Constitutional Court, the prosecutor’s office, because there is a violation of Article 68 of paragraph 1 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, where it is written in black and white: “The state language of the Russian Federation throughout its territory is the Russian language. "But the other two paragraphs of this article must be reviewed and the wording of these articles should be clarified and clarified, political banditry should be fought, otherwise the plan of the" great Soviet physicist Sakharov "about the 56 subjects of international law in Russia will triumph. (And why the article about state language 68-th in a row? It should be the second, third, or even the first!)
    And again about the feeling of self-preservation. After all, it should work.
  37. +1
    14 September 2017 17: 39
    Quote: vkl.47
    For a long time already, all this is ripening there. And they say the views themselves with a mustache. And we can live separately. It's time to stop all this. By quietly catching all these ghouls missed

    ... this is the plan of the Jew Ulyanov-Blanca, launched in 192 (the renaming of the Volga Bulgars into the Tatars, the formation of the Tatar national education and nationality of the Tatar is not just .. For no reason and boil * sit * .. Its purpose was to break up and destroy the Slavic state ..
  38. +2
    15 September 2017 13: 37
    After all, there are Tatar schools in Tatarstan. Why in Russian schools, an in-depth study of the Tatar ?? In general, the situation is rather idiotic. If, I suddenly decide to open with my own money, a private school, in the territory of Tatarstan, then the lessons of the Tatar language and Tatar literature with the maximum number of hours will automatically enter the training program. And this is not a buzz ...
  39. 0
    15 September 2017 15: 06
    The story is very long and directly related to the military, and more specifically to their children. Because the military has such a thing as rotation, well, those who understand the topic. That is, they (I have not had a relationship with the army for a long time, so I use them) move from place to place, at least if they want career advancement.

    And here we get such a situevina ... the study of the languages ​​of national republics is mandatory. This is a compulsory subject; without passing it, you cannot transfer to another class or graduate from school. And so we get a situation when the military family lived for 3 years in Tatarstan and their little son is poor, but he studied Tatar. And then "bam!" and father is transferred to another subject with a completely different state language. And now, the little son should not only learn a new language that he had never heard in his life, no, he should know it at the level of the class in which he is studying! That on condition that he never taught this language as you understand it is physically impossible. It’s especially “cool” if before that for almost 9 years this unfortunate local was taught, and the translation coincided with the end of grade 9 and the child must know the language at the level of the ninth grader who studied it for 9 years!

    Moving with the military is a constant matter, there may be 3 and 4 or more during the school life of the child. And so it turns out that a child who has not objectively studied a language he doesn’t need (a couple more years and he’ll drive away to the other end of the country), but instead studied another language that he doesn’t need should know this same language! And since he physically cannot know him, he can, for example, be left in the second year. They have the right, the subject is compulsory and without passing it to the next class not to transfer.

    Great, right? fool

    I remember the news about the military family where my son had to learn 3 local languages ​​this way in his life, but I can’t find it. Therefore, I will give the news about Victoria Mozharova from Nizhnekamsk

    116.ru/text/person/569638.html

    Read, enlighten how it is in seemingly Russia.
    1. 0
      16 September 2017 02: 12
      I agree ! Enrages !! He once went through this ..
    2. +2
      16 September 2017 07: 06
      Quote: rait
      I remember the news about a military family where my son had to learn 3 local languages ​​this way in his life

      since the children of the military were exempted from learning the language of the natives, he himself was one of them. True, they still forced me to study Ukrainian (for which I am now grateful to the teacher), but when I graduated from school, they put in the "grade" column - n / a
      1. 0
        16 September 2017 07: 25
        The fact of the matter is that officially no one has released them. According to the law, training programs and other regulatory documents are required to teach because legally they are the same as other students.

        The release is given purely informally and by agreement, which may either fail to happen or abruptly cease, as was the case in the case I mentioned by Mozharova.
        1. +1
          16 September 2017 07: 36
          Quote: rait
          The fact of the matter is that officially no one has released them.

          Well, yes, but on what basis have I been released from school and accepted to a university with a student who has not been certified in some subjects? )))) there was such a document, at least in the USSR.
          1. 0
            16 September 2017 07: 41
            there was such a document at least in the USSR.


            As you can see, this is about the state of affairs in modern Russia, not the USSR.
            1. +1
              16 September 2017 07: 53
              Quote: rait
              As you may have noticed

              noted, but Russia is the successor of the USSR, and there is no order abolishing the release of children of military personnel from learning the language of the natives. We are still in the course of the Council of People’s Decree on certain issues.
              1. 0
                16 September 2017 08: 11
                And, are you talking about that bike "Now give me a sword and a horse!"?

                In reality, and not in bikes, no one cares that they have not been canceled. There is current legislation that is recognized as such, there are already the constitutions of the republics and according to them all this is carried out.

                How to write NTV

                And for military children, the national language is generally a whole problem. Transferred from Lensk to Ufa and forget the Yakut, learn Bashkir.


                http://www.ntv.ru/video/251302/

                Or for example

                Journalist Yekaterina Nekrasova proposed excluding certain categories of children from the compulsory study of Bashkir - these are children with disabilities, children of contract soldiers and the military, who often change their place of residence, especially gifted children who have already chosen their direction - sports, creativity.


                https://proufu.ru/news/society/kruglyy_stol_po_iz
                ucheniyu_bashkirskogo_yazyka_cherez_bashkirskiy_y
                a_prishla_k_rodnomu_tatarskomu_te /

                So all you have to do is find a document officially recognized by the authorities of the republics or a similar case during which children of the military would be officially allowed not to learn the language of the subject. As they say now, "find proof".
                1. +1
                  16 September 2017 08: 21
                  Quote: rait
                  it remains only to find a document officially recognized by the authorities of the republics

                  First you need to find a document that cancels this provision
                  1. 0
                    16 September 2017 08: 33
                    That is, you can’t prove your words? Clear. As I said, the real world is not a story, and if the republic’s authorities do not care about the old orders that have not been canceled, then they don’t care ... at least exactly until the confirmation of its action in the Supreme Court.

                    That is why at different round tables the problem of children of military personnel is raised.
                    1. +1
                      16 September 2017 08: 38
                      Quote: rait
                      That is, you can’t prove your words?

                      how can it not, when I was personally exempted from studying the native language
                      http://www.yaplakal.com/forum1/topic1657389.html первая страница форума, это в татарстане, самой "непримиримой" республике
                      1. 0
                        16 September 2017 08: 45
                        As you have once again proved your words, there is nothing to confirm with you except for some recollections of “twenty years ago” from another country with a different system.

                        And the topic to which you gave the link is written in fact about a completely different one, about the fact that the speech of the President of Russia in Yoshkar-Ola where he criticized the imposition of a foreign language led to the first official progress on this issue in decades.

                        In this case, the source directly refutes your statement about a certain order that supposedly someone is still observing

                        Today, the portal R16.RU became aware that Naberezhnye Chelny appeared first child, which can not learn the Tatar language.


                        That is, there have never been such a source in the media before in Tatarstan, that is, as I said, if someone knew about a certain order from the time of the USSR, then they did not comply with it. So thanks for the link, it absolutely refutes your words and puts all the points.
  40. +1
    16 September 2017 08: 48
    Quote: rait
    that is, as I said, if someone knew about a certain order from the time of the USSR, then they did not comply with it.

    legal illiteracy of the population does not abolish the existence of laws, not everyone can use them. But we are talking about the existence of a law, and not about the inability to use them.
    1. 0
      16 September 2017 08: 59
      Before writing about the "legal illiteracy of the population" it would be worthwhile to study what the "law" is. Because the order of a certain ministry is not a law.
      1. +1
        16 September 2017 09: 30
        Quote: rait
        that the order of a certain ministry is not a law.

        for whom? It is just for the relevant department, ministers have the right to issue legal acts
        1. 0
          16 September 2017 09: 44
          However, you have strong legal illiteracy. The law is legally one and for all to whom it applies. In the Russian Federation there are types of laws: Federal laws and laws of constituent entities of the Russian Federation, federal constitutional laws, the law of the Russian Federation on the adoption of amendments to the Constitution of the Russian Federation. And in my opinion that's all.

          No order of any ministry is a law for anyone. It can be a by-law or something else that I do not know about, but not the law. It may be binding, but it does not become law. Ministers are not allowed to pass laws.
          1. +1
            16 September 2017 14: 18
            Quote: rait
            However, you have strong legal illiteracy.

            yeah, I see you yourself shine, I wrote generally about the law, what does the order have to do, to which you transferred the arrows?
            1. 0
              16 September 2017 14: 23
              The burden of proof lies with the approver.

              I fulfilled my burden with your help and proved that Tatarstan did not know such a “situation” and only now, in 2017, FOR THE FIRST TIME, official release from the study of the Tatar language was given. “For the first time” means that this has not happened before with any child in Tatarstan.

              But you are not an example who would refute this, not a single child of a Russian soldier who would be officially given such release, or even ... of the situation? An order? The law? Whatever this document was provided and you can’t even write for sure not what its number is, but what it was. And so what message in a row? 3? 4? You continue to affirm several messages in a row, but I'm afraid I have chosen a citizen of the wrong country, I won’t jump, I don’t take my word for it.

              Yes, and a certain position itself has the same meaning as in a bike about a horse and a checker which I remembered for a reason. "The provision according to which each officer of the Red Army is obliged to issue a horse and a saber, but there are no officers with a horse and a saber."
  41. 0
    16 September 2017 12: 39
    I live in Bashkiria, the same situation, if you are not of the same nationality, you do not have advancement in state structures, etc., it is high time to make the Kazan and Ufa province ...
  42. 0
    16 September 2017 15: 39
    The national composition of the population of the Republic of Tatarstan
    The census confirmed that Tatarstan is one of the most multinational
    territories of Russia - representatives of over 173 nationalities reside in
    republics. During the census, the Constitution of the Russian Federation was enforced.
    walkie-talkies in terms of free self-determination of nationality.
    In 2010, as in 2002, and in 1989, there were 8 nationalities in the republic,
    whose population exceeded 10 thousand people. These are Tatars, Russians, Chuvashs,
    Udmurts, Ukrainians, Mordovians, Mari and Bashkirs.
    Among the peoples inhabiting the Republic of Tatarstan, prevailing in numbers
    the population - Tatars (including Kryashen, Astrakhan and Siberian Tatars). In second place -
    Russians, Chuvash in third, Udmurts in fourth place. In fifth place - Mordvinians, who-
    ry in 2002 occupied the 6th position after the Ukrainians. On the sixth, the Mari. Seventh and
    eighth places belong respectively to Ukrainians and Bashkirs.
    Over the last intercensal period, the proportion of Tatars in the total population
    The percentage of people who indicated their nationality increased by 0,3% (from 52,9% to 53,2%). Share
    Russians increased by 0,2%. The proportion of Chuvash decreased by 0,3%.
    The national composition of the population of the Republic of Tatarstan
    (census data)
    person in% to the indicated national
    due
    1989 2002 2010 1989 2002 2010
    Total population 3641742 3779265 3786488 X X X
    of which indicated national
    3641742 3778359 3780436 100 100 100
    including:
    Tatars 1765404 2000116 2012571 48,5 52,9 53,2
    of which X 18760 29962 X 0,5 0,8
    Russian 1575361 1492602 1501369 43,3 39,5 39,7
    Chuvash 134221 126532 116252 3,7 3,4 3,1
    Udmurts 24796 24207 23454 0,7 0,6 0,6
    Mordva 28859 23702 19156 0,8 0,6 0,5
    Mari 19446 18787 18848 0,5 0,5 0,5
    Ukrainians 32822 24016 18241 0,9 0,6 0,5
    Bashkirs 19106 14911 13726 0,5 0,4 0,4
    Azerbaijanis 3915 9987 9527 0,1 0,3 0,3
    Uzbeks 2692 4852 8881 0,1 0,1 0,2
    Armenians 1815 5922 5987 0,0 0,2 0,2
    Tajiks 742 3625 5859 0,0 0,1 0,2
    Belarusians 8427 6129 4592 0,2 0,2 0,1
    Jews 7294 3472 2624 0,2 0,1 0,1
    Germans 2775 2882 2200 0,1 0,1 0,1
    Kazakhs 2088 1832 1758 0,1 0,1 0,0
    Georgians 1312 1753 1478 0,0 0,0 0,0
    Kyrgyz 536 482 1156 0,0 0,0 0,0
    other nationalities 10131 12550 12757 0,3 0,3 0,3
    Among the urban districts of the Republic of Tatarstan in Kazan, the proportion of Tatars and
    Russian made up - Tatars - 47,6% 1
    , Russians - 48,6%.
    In Naberezhnye Chelny Tatars - 47,4%, Russians - 44,9%.
  43. 0
    17 September 2017 09: 39
    interesting ... But the army in the region is formed on the "local personnel"? And how the "national" sign works in the police and nat. guard of the region? It is definitely necessary to shuffle local officials from the center.

"Right Sector" (banned in Russia), "Ukrainian Insurgent Army" (UPA) (banned in Russia), ISIS (banned in Russia), "Jabhat Fatah al-Sham" formerly "Jabhat al-Nusra" (banned in Russia) , Taliban (banned in Russia), Al-Qaeda (banned in Russia), Anti-Corruption Foundation (banned in Russia), Navalny Headquarters (banned in Russia), Facebook (banned in Russia), Instagram (banned in Russia), Meta (banned in Russia), Misanthropic Division (banned in Russia), Azov (banned in Russia), Muslim Brotherhood (banned in Russia), Aum Shinrikyo (banned in Russia), AUE (banned in Russia), UNA-UNSO (banned in Russia), Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar People (banned in Russia), Legion “Freedom of Russia” (armed formation, recognized as terrorist in the Russian Federation and banned)

“Non-profit organizations, unregistered public associations or individuals performing the functions of a foreign agent,” as well as media outlets performing the functions of a foreign agent: “Medusa”; "Voice of America"; "Realities"; "Present time"; "Radio Freedom"; Ponomarev Lev; Ponomarev Ilya; Savitskaya; Markelov; Kamalyagin; Apakhonchich; Makarevich; Dud; Gordon; Zhdanov; Medvedev; Fedorov; Mikhail Kasyanov; "Owl"; "Alliance of Doctors"; "RKK" "Levada Center"; "Memorial"; "Voice"; "Person and law"; "Rain"; "Mediazone"; "Deutsche Welle"; QMS "Caucasian Knot"; "Insider"; "New Newspaper"