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Kazakhstan introduced the "classic alphabet that is used throughout the world"

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Kazakhstani linguistic experts analyzed the existing Kazakh alphabet before the procedure for translating it into Latin. Recall that the task of translating the Kazakh language into Latin was set by the President of the Republic, Nursultan Nazarbayev. The President of Kazakhstan said that in the case of the romanization of the language, he "will receive a new impetus to development and will take a special place in the system of world languages." What prevents the Kazakh language from developing in Cyrillic and occupying a special place in the mentioned system in its current form - no one in the camp of the Kazakh authorities can really explain.


A Kazakhstan philologist Yerbol Tleshov told the media that the number of letters in the Latinized Kazakh alphabet will be almost halved. If now the 42 letters, then after the translation into Latin will remain 25.

Philologist quotes the portal "Nur.kz":
If we will in the classic alphabet used throughout the world, introduce new signs, then we will not achieve the goal. The variants that we offer are taken only from the original Latin alphabet - that is, there are no commas and dots.

The statement itself about some kind of “classic alphabet used throughout the world” is puzzling. Or "the whole world", in the understanding of Mr. Tleshov, does not include such countries as Russia, China, India, Japan, Vietnam, Korea, Thailand, Belarus, Ukraine, Bulgaria, Serbia, etc.?

Introducing the draft of the Kazakh alphabet, the philologist stated that several letters will now be designated by the so-called digraphs - a combination of two Latin letters: Ә - ae, Ө - oe, Ү - ue, Ң - ng, Ғ - gh, Ч - ch, Ш - sh , W - zh.

Kazakhstan introduced the "classic alphabet that is used throughout the world"


Tleshov:
The new alphabet is also a correction of the shortcomings of the current alphabet.


It turns out that the inhabitants of Kazakhstan, among whom the majority are Russian-speaking, lived for decades with “shortcomings” in the alphabet, until the “bright minds” decided to correct the shortcomings ...
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  1. Dezinto
    Dezinto 11 September 2017 12: 43
    +23
    It smells something.
    1. The black
      The black 11 September 2017 12: 47
      +19
      Quote: DEZINTO
      It smells something.

      Whatever it smells of, but this is an internal affair of Kazakhstan. request
      1. mikh-korsakov
        mikh-korsakov 11 September 2017 12: 58
        +13
        Quote: Black
        Quote: DEZINTO
        It smells something.

        Whatever it smells of, but this is an internal affair of Kazakhstan. request

        And how does the internal affair of Russia relate to this?
        1. The black
          The black 11 September 2017 13: 05
          +2
          Quote: mikh-korsakov
          how this relates to the internal affairs of Russia.

          Exactly smile
          1. Ivan Ivanov
            Ivan Ivanov 11 September 2017 20: 08
            +4
            Quote: Black
            Whatever it smells like, but this is an internal affair of Kazakhstan

            Of course, it’s internal, only we need to understand what this business leads to in our relations with him.
      2. vch
        vch 11 September 2017 13: 02
        +5
        Certainly, this is an internal affair of Kazakhstan. That's just one thing that confuses - how much money they will have to spend on this transition. And this despite the fact that Kazakhstan (as well as ours) has no unresolved problems - a wagon and a small cart.
        1. The black
          The black 11 September 2017 13: 06
          +5
          Quote: vch
          That's just one thing that confuses - how much money they will have to spend on this transition.

          Well, let them bother them .....
        2. Egorovich
          Egorovich 11 September 2017 14: 29
          +11
          There is a proverb and it’s just in the subject: "Each in his own way goes crazy."
          1. dorz
            dorz 11 September 2017 16: 05
            +2
            Satanovsky briefly on the transition of Kazakhstan to Latin by 2025
            https://russian.rt.com/ussr/news/378534-latinizac
            iyu-kazakhstan-alphabet
        3. demo
          demo 12 September 2017 07: 15
          +5
          I will answer.
          Take an example from America.
          For some 5 lards, they were able to "correctly" configure the entire elite of Ukraine.
          And Russia Ukraine 200 yards in the form of subsidies to the population, enterprises, etc.
          Catch it?
          Buy 10-20 Kazakh politicians, and in five years this linguist will be on his knees with tears in his eyes, his voice breaking in excitement, telling how he worships both the Russian language and the Russian alphabet, and especially the Russian letters E and Y.
          In combination with a close relationship with his mother.

          And money?
          What a money!
          Let them spend it.
      3. Tolstoevsky
        Tolstoevsky 11 September 2017 13: 05
        +10
        Yeah. But for the lack of independence and independence and other Russophobia will have to pay in full
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 11 September 2017 13: 28
          +7
          Quote: Tolstoevsky
          But for the lack of independence and independence and other Russophobia will have to pay in full

          What is the other Russophobia?
          1. Mood Ozvon
            Mood Ozvon 11 September 2017 16: 11
            +9
            Guryev was renamed, Europeans were leaving, the capital was moved to the north ... It’s a matter of a mono-ethnic Kazakh state ... I don’t give a damn, but it’s a pity the Russian lands that went to Kazakhstan ... No matter how hard it was to fight the Kazakhs in the future ...
            1. Viktor.12.71
              Viktor.12.71 11 September 2017 19: 00
              +5
              To fight with Kazakhstan, this means giving China a chance to introduce peacekeepers, and the Chinese will be called on 100%; be sure that half of the oil production is connected with China and not only that, it’s much more complicated. But Russia will not spoil relations with China in any way, otherwise complete isolation from Asia and in a couple of years Russia will become like Zimbabwe. And why in your head is a war against a friendly neighbor? Is there little land?
              1. Mood Ozvon
                Mood Ozvon 11 September 2017 20: 34
                +7
                Can't read? Everything is already written.
                About China and Zimbabwe delusional Russophobe.
                1. Mood Ozvon
                  Mood Ozvon 11 September 2017 20: 42
                  +5
                  I will only add that Nazarbayev is at least cautious and sane, and it is not known who will replace him. So let’s take a look ... If the Kazakhs hit nationalism and Nazism like Ukrainians, a lot of things can happen.
              2. aws4
                aws4 11 September 2017 21: 05
                0
                these are strange people do not pay attention ... Kazakhstan is an independent state and for me they have the right to do almost everything in their state, no matter how anyone likes it in Russia, you need to be silent in a rag and respect their choice ... there are only a few points at which you can decide to war with our good neighbor is the genocide of the Russian-speaking population and the deployment on its territory of offensive weapons of other states directed against Russia ..
                1. CorvusCoraks
                  CorvusCoraks 12 September 2017 16: 48
                  0
                  Quote: aws4
                  there are only a few points at which you can decide to war with our good neighbor is the genocide of the Russian-speaking population and the deployment on its territory of offensive weapons of other states directed against Russia ..

                  Well yes. And there is such a concept - to work proactively, rather than reactionarily, which avoids the described worst-case scenarios and maximum victims.
              3. demo
                demo 12 September 2017 07: 22
                +2
                Fighting with the Kazakhs is the last thing.
                But using many of the contradictions that exist between zhuzes is the thing.
                After all, you can always clearly explain that the youngest zhuz in the family is written to become middle.
                And the middle one has long been ripe in order to be a senior.
                This is especially true in terms of the redistribution of property of one between the others.


                But this is a serious and long-term policy.
                It must be kept thin.
                And who will do this with us?
                Where is our class of politicians devotedly and, most importantly, selflessly devoted to the country and people?
              4. alexddd
                alexddd 12 September 2017 11: 41
                +1
                China and so will come as soon as there is a reason, all kinds of needles, for example, or an infringement of national minorities or some kind of Maidan. We look at the map and understand that China will definitely go there as soon as it sees that they did not give a damn about Russia, first the alphabet, then the language, and slowly the state will become unfriendly, which means Russia will only watch. If China was located on the border with Ukraine, we would not have watched this circus - China would have entered the Donbass itself and go and kick it out. And what one can go into different Palestines and others can not? So the fate of Kazakhstan depends entirely on relations with Russia, whether anyone likes it or not.
                1. CorvusCoraks
                  CorvusCoraks 12 September 2017 16: 49
                  0
                  Quote: alexddd
                  to the very Donbass and go kick him out

                  rather, by the most lions, and no one from Europe would dare blather.
            2. aws4
              aws4 11 September 2017 20: 58
              +1
              sorry for the Russian lands ??????????? Yes, we can’t master those that are now available. I’m even glad that the lands were left for Kazakhstan
          2. kotvov
            kotvov 14 September 2017 19: 29
            0
            you have a short memory-knives, gilyak and the rest ,, charms ,, Ukrainization?
      4. oldseaman1957
        oldseaman1957 11 September 2017 14: 19
        +11
        Quote: Black
        but this is an internal affair of Kazakhstan.
        - So "internal" that dirty. In fact, all this was not worth such ridiculous gestures. Stupidly, through the figs that nobody needs changing the alphabet, we are shown our place. How I "love" the liberals who crush our economy! As I understand it, the 37th year!
        1. aws4
          aws4 11 September 2017 21: 10
          0
          yes, of course, Kazakhs sit there and make fun of it, and we will humiliate the dyke. We will change the alphabet ... well, what nonsense ???? in our country, 90 percent of young people cannot write or even speak their native language correctly (I’m not Russian forgivable to me) well, think about digging in the literature, look for sources that explain this to the Kazakhs
          1. demo
            demo 12 September 2017 07: 33
            +4
            The fact that you are not Russian is obvious.
            But regardless of nationality, answering honestly is a sign of masculinity.
            Changing the alphabet is the first step.
            The second step is the analysis of written materials available in libraries and among the public.
            And the creation of special guards.
            And what will get there?
            That's right - all materials that can reconfigure public opinion are not in the right direction.
            Then, after 15-20 years, new, trained cadres of teachers and educators begin to teach in the country.
            They will intelligibly explain to the children that a temporary alliance with the Russians was necessary, from a tactical point of view. And now we ourselves with a mustache.
            And the lands that the Russians gave us are a gift.
            Gifts are not refundable.
            Are there any complaints? No.

            So everything is clear.

            And you recommend us to look for explanations in what literature - in Russian or Kazakh?

            Three heterogeneous tribes - the Torah, Khoja and Tolengit must have their own set of historical miniatures and traditions.
            Which one?
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            2. Zalym
              Zalym 12 September 2017 08: 41
              +1
              Quote: demo
              Three heterogeneous tribes - the Torah, Khoja and Tolengit must have their own set of historical miniatures and traditions.


              I do not understand what you are going to do with these tribes?
              1. aws4
                aws4 12 September 2017 08: 43
                0
                what is not clear is a provocateur !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      5. jovanni
        jovanni 11 September 2017 15: 09
        +10
        Quote: Black
        Whatever it smells of, but this is an internal affair of Kazakhstan.

        Some internal affairs tend to become external. Especially if they were originally conceived to the peak of Russia ...
      6. Sergey-8848
        Sergey-8848 12 September 2017 16: 31
        +1
        So, rushing back and forth, you can accidentally fly into a typewriter with 20 thousand hieroglyphs (in the pursuit of originality).
    2. Shurik70
      Shurik70 11 September 2017 12: 48
      +17
      Quote: DEZINTO
      It smells something.

      Old age ... request
      Brezhnev, too, was weird in the end.
      1. DenZ
        DenZ 11 September 2017 12: 52
        +4
        Quote: Shurik70
        Old age ...

        good and undivided, reckless self-confidence
      2. xetai9977
        xetai9977 11 September 2017 12: 56
        +14
        I don’t understand what kind of a hangover someone diarrhea begins with. when a sovereign state- Kazakhstan wants to change its (and not someone else's) alphabet? They change, this is their business and absolutely no one concerns the word! Well done, Kazakhs! Do your job and let the cacaphony from behind the hillock not distract you! hi
        1. Semen Semyonitch
          Semen Semyonitch 11 September 2017 13: 11
          +8
          Quote: xetai9977
          Well done, Kazakhs!

          Well done, well done, but not really. Here again Nursultan Abishevich became thoughtful ... what Something reminded him of Ә - ae, Ө - oe, Ү - ue, Ң - ng, Ғ - gh, H - ch, W - sh, F - zh. Maybe right on the Chinese letter?
        2. Vasyan1971
          Vasyan1971 11 September 2017 13: 50
          +12
          Quote: xetai9977
          Do your job and let the cacaphony from behind the hillock not distract you!

          Azerbaijan, by the way, is a foreign country for the Kazakhs no less than others. And the cacophony from there is exactly the same.
        3. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 11 September 2017 13: 57
          +10
          Quote: xetai9977
          I don’t understand what kind of a hangover someone diarrhea begins with. when a sovereign state- Kazakhstan wants to change its (and not someone else's) alphabet? They change, this is their business and absolutely no one concerns the word! Well done, Kazakhs! Do your job and let the cacaphony from behind the hillock not distract you!

          Why are you speaking here? This site is not kz, but ru.
          1. aws4
            aws4 11 September 2017 21: 15
            0
            Why are you speaking here ??? as far as I remember, the USSR has long ceased to exist .. because of such people like you, including in Ukraine, there is a war
        4. kashtak
          kashtak 11 September 2017 14: 38
          +16
          Are you interested in a reaction to the change by sovereign Kazakhstan of its alphabet? Come on, you understand perfectly well that this is not an alphabet. The alphabet is simply a way to indicate the gap between our countries. Do you think we should be happy? Even if it does not reach missile defense bases and missiles at our borders, which is not guaranteed by the experience of Ukraine. It often recalls the collapse of 1991, so it is now repeated. And yes, this is the business of Kazakhstan, Ukraine, Belarus.
        5. aws4
          aws4 11 September 2017 21: 12
          +1
          here I completely agree with you ...
        6. Kerosene Vitamin
          Kerosene Vitamin 11 September 2017 21: 25
          +1
          it's not your business either, following your own logic. wink
        7. eklmn
          eklmn 12 September 2017 01: 20
          +3
          So you feel sorry for your Russians - to learn the language of their country of residence! And I feel sorry for my own in the Baltic states - some lived calmly 30-40 years without knowing the language, and the last 20 years have to learn “theirs,” and in the Donbass they feel sorry for them — they got mine with my own, I had to intervene. It was a pity in Crimea, too, but they solved the problem. And in Kazakhstan, it wouldn’t hurt to help their own ... And at Brighton ...
          1. aws4
            aws4 12 September 2017 02: 53
            +2
            do not compare different situations .. in my opinion, Kazakhs and Balts have the right to require the Russian diaspora to learn the language, but in the Donbass and Crimea it’s just insanity ... how can a fragment that has become a state require a huge part of the population to learn the ridiculous dialect of the outskirts of this fragment ???? moreover, to oblige it to do in those territories where this dialect did not smell ...
            1. eklmn
              eklmn 12 September 2017 05: 20
              +1
              Until 2014, there were already 4 (!) Ukrainian schools in Crimea, what kind of suppression of the Russian language are we talking about?
                Now let's look at the situation in NY.
              “The New York Tri-State area has a population of 1.6 million Russian-Americans and 600,000 of them live in New York City.”
              In Brighton, 90% of the inscriptions and colloquial speech are Russian. Doctors, lawyers, shops, at work, local council - Russian speech. True, in schools and kindergartens - only English. Russians can do just fine all their life, without English. You will be transferred / filled / sent free of charge. But this is life in the ghetto. Without knowing English, you can't go outside Brighton.
                 But the state should have a single language, the language in which all documentation is maintained. In Donbass, one could do the same as in Brighton - everywhere Russian,
              but when you need to fill out a piece of paper - a single language, Ukrainian. If you want to be a Ukrainian university, you want to be a Ukrainian deputy. Whether or not you like this language is your problem. California will not move to Mexico because 40% speak Spanish, or Florida to Cuba. You need to learn the language of the country of residence. 
                 If we take it simply by ear, then the Belarusian language is simply a misunderstanding, but this is the language of the country and this language must be respected. And this applies to the Ukrainian language. There is one way to get rid of it, and Russia has perfectly applied it in 2 parts of Ukraine.
                There is still a bit left and you can get to Polish ...
              1. aws4
                aws4 12 September 2017 05: 47
                +1
                didn’t you hear me ???? and if you take it purely by ear and not just by ear then it is not Belarusian, namely Ukrainian misunderstanding ... I myself am not Russian and I have many friends of different nationalities and as a rule laughed at Ukrainian mova from the time of the union ... that's interesting why didn’t Russia apply it before ??? why did it start in 2014 ??? you live in a vacuum or something, or completely Western propaganda, your brain is stuck like the Kremlin in Russia here to most visitors of this site and to the inhabitants of our country in general ...
    3. Per se
      Per se 11 September 2017 12: 48
      +25
      Yes, it does not smell, but it stinks frankly ... smile
    4. 79807420129
      79807420129 11 September 2017 12: 51
      +14
      Ә - ae, Ө - oe, Ү - ue, Ң - ng, Ғ - gh, H - ch, W - sh, F - zh.

      Eh Nursultan Abishevich request Well, you yourself will be able to master this abracadabra. what
      1. Per se
        Per se 11 September 2017 13: 24
        +8
        Yes, he’s an old one, Vlad already doesn’t care ... These young people are pushing from the south, who climb up stubbornly upstairs ... They have the north closer to us, roughly speaking, and the south-babai ... wink
      2. eklmn
        eklmn 12 September 2017 01: 29
        +1
        This is not gibberish. If you start learning English, you will understand.
        A simple example - the word banana in English is spelled "banana",
         From the point of view of the Russian language, 3 letters “A” sound, and in English pronunciation
        all 3 letters sound different. And the pronunciation of sounds is described by this “abracadabra”. 
        1. Dedall
          Dedall 12 September 2017 22: 57
          +1
          Almost everyone is not talking about who and how pronounces obscene words. In Russia, they worry about how much the State Department paid to this Nazarbayev himself, so that he could start talking about Latinization. Incidentally, I saw that in Uzbekistan, so far, no one has normally mastered the Latin alphabet. Well, perhaps, their high officials bought by the State Department. I remember that in one office there was a special person who translated management letters from Tashkent into Uzbek.
    5. yehat
      yehat 11 September 2017 14: 14
      +6
      It is very sad that, for the sake of some immediate needs, what has been developing for decades is changing.
      1. Normal ok
        Normal ok 11 September 2017 18: 13
        +3
        Quote: yehat
        It is very sad that, for the sake of some immediate needs, what has been developing for decades is changing.

        The fact of the matter is that this is not a momentary whim. A serious reserve for the future. In the sense of cultural isolation from Russia.
        1. Semurg
          Semurg 11 September 2017 19: 17
          +3
          Quote: Normal ok

          The fact of the matter is that this is not a momentary whim. A serious reserve for the future. In the sense of cultural isolation from Russia.

          That’s for sure, Kazakhstan will culturally distance itself from the influence of Russia and build its original and not tracing paper with the Russian Federation. Apparently, the thing is that the schools will soon cease to be Russian, Kazakh, Uzbek, etc., and there will simply be schools where subjects will be taught in three languages: Kazakh, English, Russian. With the gradual displacement of Russian as the number of Russians decreases in favor of the Kazakh and English languages ​​that will be in Latin. So, probably, who has been sitting for 25 years of independent Kazakhstan on suitcases needs to be determined, well, and who has connected himself with Qazaqstan, let's modernize our country for our children and grandchildren.
          1. Ivan Ivanov
            Ivan Ivanov 11 September 2017 20: 14
            +6
            Who said that “distance yourself from influence” is good if influence is expressed in the overall economy, capacity building, and joint projects? In addition, a place cannot be empty, leaving behind the influence of the Russian Federation, under whose influence you want to fall, for the sake of “originality”, which Kazakhstan did not deprive even under the advice.
          2. aws4
            aws4 11 September 2017 21: 18
            0
            that's right !!!!!!!!!!!! I shake your hand !!!!!
          3. kashtak
            kashtak 12 September 2017 03: 52
            +3
            Quote: Semurg
            in three languages, Kazakh, English, Russian. With the gradual displacement of Russian as the number of Russians decreases in favor of the Kazakh and English languages ​​that will be in Latin.

            well, that’s decided. otherwise it’s all about tracing paper. when will you apply to NATO? Do not forget that it was on an equal footing with the Russian Kazakh. America is only interested in servants or meat for conflicts, although you should be told about beautiful eyes and what else? but it is your choice.
          4. Graz
            Graz 12 September 2017 05: 09
            0
            Yes, isolate yourself for health, only then you wouldn’t have to bite your elbow
          5. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 12 September 2017 07: 00
            +1
            Quote: Semurg
            Kazakhstan will culturally distance itself from Russian influence and build its original and not tracing paper with the Russian Federation

            Semurg - in the modern world, distance from one pole often means approaching the other. hi
            1. Semurg
              Semurg 12 September 2017 11: 03
              +2
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Quote: Semurg
              Kazakhstan will culturally distance itself from Russian influence and build its original and not tracing paper with the Russian Federation

              Semurg - in the modern world, distance from one pole often means approaching the other. hi

              The Russian Federation stands for the polar world, are you against it? Your ancestors created their own state, pushing themselves from the pole of the golden horde at one time. modern Kazakhs want to create their own strong state, pushing themselves from the pole of the USSR. What is the problem ?
              1. aws4
                aws4 13 September 2017 04: 58
                0
                here you are absolutely right and fair !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
              2. Ivan Ivanov
                Ivan Ivanov 13 September 2017 10: 51
                +1
                In itself, it is wonderful to compare the USSR that built the developing one, which gave equal rights and the Golden Horde to its colonial experience. What offended you the USSR is unclear. In multipolarity, there is no problem when the whole world plays by the same rules. If the world is divided into several warring camps, then leaving one camp you automatically fall into another. Performing strange dances at both camps is unlikely to succeed, especially since your artistry is already becoming a problem for the Russian Federation.
          6. An60
            An60 12 September 2017 20: 03
            +1
            Only one word mastered- "Qazaqstan"? Smelee osvaivaite novyu grammatiky !!! Vas zazhdalis v Evrope.
          7. Dedall
            Dedall 12 September 2017 23: 02
            +1
            Dear you, our former compatriot, I can say for sure that after the five-story buildings collapse somewhere in Chemkent, there will be yurts. And shepherds, grazing sheep, will regret that so much iron passes by, looking at rare cars. I've already seen all this, so think!
    6. alekc73
      alekc73 11 September 2017 14: 19
      +6
      Nazarbayev freaks out in old age. Apparently in Kazakhstan there are no other problems. feel
      1. Per se.
        Per se. 11 September 2017 16: 29
        +16
        Quote: alekc73
        Apparently in Kazakhstan there are no other problems.
        Changing the alphabet is a kind of “de-Russification” of Kazakhstan, another “Tse Europe” ... What is the uniqueness of the Cyrillic alphabet, and of the Russian language itself, a letter corresponds to almost every sound, in this sense “Russian letters” can be used as universal transcription characters that can be transmitted pronunciation from virtually any language. So, in Obraztsov’s “Extraordinary Concert”, Gerd simply read phrases in the language of the countries in which the puppet theater toured the crib with “Russian letters”. In the English dictionary, for example, without transcription signs it is impossible to read the words correctly, and the banal "fuck" in Russian will get a lot of more accurate words, the same can be said not only about the swearing, but in general about a much higher and more accurate reflection of the meaning in Russian language, a unique ability to shorten words, if necessary (for example, in war). This uniqueness, including the merit of the Cyrillic alphabet. The Kazakhs want to abandon the Cyrillic alphabet, well, let them be closer to the masters of capitalism, the Anglo-Saxons, at least in Latin.
        1. Semurg
          Semurg 11 September 2017 19: 21
          +3
          Quote: Per se.
          Quote: alekc73
          Apparently in Kazakhstan there are no other problems.
          Changing the alphabet is a kind of “de-Russification” of Kazakhstan, another “Tse Europe” ... What is the uniqueness of the Cyrillic alphabet, and of the Russian language itself, a letter corresponds to almost every sound, in this sense “Russian letters” can be used as universal transcription characters that can be transmitted pronunciation from virtually any language. So, in Obraztsov’s “Extraordinary Concert”, Gerd simply read phrases in the language of the countries in which the puppet theater toured the crib with “Russian letters”. In the English dictionary, for example, without transcription signs it is impossible to read the words correctly, and the banal "fuck" in Russian will get a lot of more accurate words, the same can be said not only about the swearing, but in general about a much higher and more accurate reflection of the meaning in Russian language, a unique ability to shorten words, if necessary (for example, in war). This uniqueness, including the merit of the Cyrillic alphabet. The Kazakhs want to abandon the Cyrillic alphabet, well, let them be closer to the masters of capitalism, the Anglo-Saxons, at least in Latin.

          I agree that probably the Cyrillic alphabet is ideal for the Russian language, but it seems that it is not for the Kazakh language.
          1. Albert1988
            Albert1988 11 September 2017 20: 19
            +9
            Quote: Semurg
            I agree that probably the Cyrillic alphabet is ideal for the Russian language, but for the Kazakh, it seems, no

            What about the latin? See for yourself - you accept an alphabet in which there are no letters for all your sounds (and you used to be), and now you have to enter two-letter combinations from which the words will grow unjustifiably, this is a serious drawback of the Latin alphabet - there were no letters for every sound even in latin!
            Therefore, the big question - what would be more convenient - is "pure Latin" or "modified Cyrillic", and it is very unlikely that the first ...
            But from a political point of view, all the rules - the transition to the Latin alphabet will greatly facilitate communication with some countries where this Latin is used. Only now a new question immediately arises - is it worth going to rapprochement with these countries and cultures, taking into account the existing experience of some post-Soviet republics ...
          2. Kerosene Vitamin
            Kerosene Vitamin 11 September 2017 21: 32
            +1
            prove that the cyrillic alphabet is not ideal for the Kazakh?
            but in general I agree that Kazakh, regardless of the alphabet, is not clear to the Russian speakers, there is already all Russianism rising from the language, even the word syringe has been replaced by a remake, you can even go to Hangul, everything is lilac. wink
    7. warriordima
      warriordima 11 September 2017 18: 53
      +1
      Quote: DEZINTO
      It smells something.

      And I think that all this is for the sake of financial handouts from the West. They give the money to Kazakhstan for development, and we can’t, because we ourselves are barely barely afloat, and the Nazar also wants to be known as a rich helmsman with his ambitions and projects, and so he has to cast out., and the Western capitalists will probably themselves finance all the changes for him, just to push their policies, separation and power. They do not bother so much because of money, money is for them the weapon in the first place.
      1. CorvusCoraks
        CorvusCoraks 12 September 2017 17: 04
        0
        Quote: warriordima
        And I think that all this is for the sake of financial handouts from the West. They give the money to Kazakhstan for development, and we can’t, because we ourselves are barely barely afloat, and the Nazar also wants to be known as a rich helmsman with his ambitions and projects, and so he has to cast out., and the Western capitalists will probably themselves finance all the changes for him, just to push their policies, separation and power. They do not bother so much because of money, money is for them the weapon in the first place.

        If all this were limited to this, then there would be no questions, but you know that you won’t sit on two or more chairs all the time, the example of the AHL is more likely an exception, then as long as you go out of Belarus TV, it may not work out. Yanukovych tried, but when he began to disagree with “partners,” he was changed to an absolutely obedient and loyal person.
    8. Shaitan trumpet
      Shaitan trumpet 13 September 2017 09: 03
      0
      A bit of history. Writing, today called the Cyrillic alphabet, existed in Russia, long before the Jewish saboteurs Cyril and Methodius, whose task was not an invention, but a perversion of writing. The diversion was successful. The Judeo-Christian Church, for such a feat, declared these Jews saints. Changing the written language, let alone reducing the number of letters, is a reliable tool for the “formation” of historical memory, the primitivization of language, and the worldview — this is a sure way to degradation of society. In Russia, this allowed after 2, 3 generations to make, in general, impossible to read the ancient Russian philosophical texts. The population loses its historical roots, ceases to understand the ancient texts, forget their past epic and divine origin. And they readily believe that their ancestors are not Gods, but monkeys.
  2. marshes
    marshes 11 September 2017 12: 49
    +12
    It turns out that the inhabitants of Kazakhstan, among whom the majority are Russian-speaking, lived for decades with “shortcomings” in the alphabet, until the “bright minds” decided to correct the shortcomings ...

    Heh, heh Russian-speaking and before that the Cyrillic alphabet did not know as well as the Kazakh language. laughing
    1. DenZ
      DenZ 11 September 2017 12: 54
      +12
      Quote: marshes
      Heh, heh Russian-speaking and before that the Cyrillic alphabet did not know as well as the Kazakh language

      How is this so and did not know the Cyrillic alphabet (which is taught at school) and Kazakh? They are there you have something illiterate all?
      1. marshes
        marshes 11 September 2017 13: 02
        +2
        Quote: DenZ
        How is this so and did not know the Cyrillic alphabet (which is taught at school) and Kazakh? They are there you have something illiterate all?

        The Cyrillic afavit of the Kazakh, those Russian-speakers who studied Kazakh at school, 3 and 4 received yes and did not ask much, at least they would be present at the lessons. And now they say that they taught it or let’s teach it for free.
        1. purple
          purple 11 September 2017 13: 10
          +4
          did not know maybe because it is not necessary? Why learn a half-dead language?
          1. marshes
            marshes 11 September 2017 13: 20
            +3
            Quote: purple
            did not know maybe because it is not necessary? Why learn a half-dead language?

            Well, at least communicate with the Turkic-speaking population of their country or for trips to Turkey, two who know Turkish on TV show. Those who lead MY Planet, and the esthetic Vasilyev. And Zhirik forgot not bad. laughing to see the years of life in Kazakhstan taught something.
            1. purple
              purple 11 September 2017 13: 23
              +6
              in the days of the USSR, they spoke Russian, and everyone understood everything ...
              1. marshes
                marshes 11 September 2017 13: 31
                +3
                Quote: purple
                in the days of the USSR, they spoke Russian, and everyone understood everything ...

                The times of the USSR have sunk into mite.
                1. SOF
                  SOF 11 September 2017 13: 45
                  +15
                  "fly" ... dear .... "sunk into oblivion" .... so they say
                  "Leptu" contribute ... if that.
                  1. Kerosene Vitamin
                    Kerosene Vitamin 11 September 2017 21: 35
                    +1
                    Summer is a river in the afterlife, like the Styx, is written with a capital. hi
                2. Vasyan1971
                  Vasyan1971 11 September 2017 13: 54
                  +11
                  Quote: marshes
                  The times of the USSR have sunk into mite.

                  Well, according to your texts, it is clearly clear that at the lessons at school you are exactly what you WAS.
                  1. marshes
                    marshes 11 September 2017 14: 14
                    +2
                    Quote: Vasyan1971
                    Well, according to your texts, it is clearly clear that at the lessons at school you are exactly what you WAS.

                    And that on 4 and 5 I graduated from school, though in languages ​​all three. laughing
                    For that, 5 in the exact sciences, even chemistry with physics and mathematics, he graduated by 5, they took one fig to school without exams, he graduated from the local Suvorov school.
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                      1. marshes
                        marshes 11 September 2017 16: 31
                        +1
                        Quote: Vasyan1971
                        How many rams (or what do you have there) had to send?

                        but when he finished and entered, in those days they didn’t take rams. He only won a couple of places in local olympiads.
                        By the way, studying at a military school was not in vain, after 12 years of service I was able to enter the university, although I didn’t offer a point, I didn’t offer a red diploma, although many teachers had a desire, noting that they would send their wards to the army for years, to gain intelligence. laughing
                        Quote: Vasyan1971
                        Well, then I’m at 7+ Cambridge.

                        Dear idea, although I can send mine laughing
                3. IS-80_RVGK2
                  IS-80_RVGK2 11 September 2017 14: 10
                  +4
                  Quote: marshes
                  The times of the USSR have sunk into mite.

                  Then it's better in the summer. smile
              2. Normal ok
                Normal ok 11 September 2017 18: 16
                +1
                Quote: purple
                in the days of the USSR, they spoke Russian, and everyone understood everything ...

                In Soviet times, I was in Dagestan, - sometimes there were children of mountains (the elderly) who in Russian are not boom-boom. I think in the Central Asian republics things seemed to be okay.
                1. Semurg
                  Semurg 11 September 2017 19: 25
                  +2
                  Quote: Normal ok
                  Quote: purple
                  in the days of the USSR, they spoke Russian, and everyone understood everything ...

                  In Soviet times, I was in Dagestan, - sometimes there were children of mountains (the elderly) who in Russian are not boom-boom. I think in the Central Asian republics things seemed to be okay.

                  Knowledge of other languages ​​is a good thing, and the mockery of Russians over non-Russians who do not know Russian is not a good thing.
                  1. aws4
                    aws4 11 September 2017 21: 21
                    +1
                    well here you go too far no one mocks
                2. Vasyan1971
                  Vasyan1971 11 September 2017 19: 58
                  +5
                  Quote: Normal ok
                  In Soviet times, I was in Dagestan, - sometimes there were children of mountains (the elderly) who in Russian are not boom-boom. I think in the Central Asian republics things seemed to be okay.

                  And I worked with two. Countrymen. Two villages near the rewashing river. Communicated among themselves, even on trifles exclusively in Russian. I asked why so? They answered me, like they don’t understand each other in their own way. the dialects are different and in Russian easier. I’m not lying to her!
                  1. Zalym
                    Zalym 11 September 2017 20: 07
                    +1
                    Quote: Vasyan1971
                    . I asked why so? They answered me, like they don’t understand each other in their own way. the dialects are different and in Russian easier. I’m not lying to her!


                    Lies.
                    1. Vasyan1971
                      Vasyan1971 11 September 2017 20: 30
                      +3
                      Quote: Zalym
                      Quote: Vasyan1971
                      . I asked why so? They answered me, like they don’t understand each other in their own way. the dialects are different and in Russian easier. I’m not lying to her!


                      Lies.

                      I swear what you want!
                      1. Zalym
                        Zalym 11 September 2017 20: 32
                        +1
                        Quote: Vasyan1971
                        I swear what you want!


                        If we are talking about the Kazakhs, then I won’t believe in life, because the very presence of dialects in it is a matter of debate. There are minor differences in dialect, not more. Yes, some words are different, but mostly borrowed. For example, for matches - somewhere Shyrpy say, and somewhere in the serine (from the word sulfur).
                    2. Vasyan1971
                      Vasyan1971 11 September 2017 21: 19
                      +3
                      This, of course, is about the Dagestanis. The theme was: "During the USSR, I was in Dagestan, - sometimes mountain children met ..."
                      1. Zalym
                        Zalym 11 September 2017 21: 25
                        +1
                        Quote: Vasyan1971
                        This, of course, is about the Dagestanis. The theme was: "During the USSR, I was in Dagestan, - sometimes mountain children met ..."


                        And then yes. There is not just the difference in dialects, different peoples with different languages ​​live there.
                    3. aws4
                      aws4 11 September 2017 21: 23
                      +3
                      no, it’s not a lie, I served an urgent term in Dagestan and I can confirm .. I respect your position and the choice of your leadership but do not write about what you don’t know
                      1. Zalym
                        Zalym 11 September 2017 21: 27
                        0
                        Yes. I agree with you.
          2. Serg65
            Serg65 11 September 2017 13: 31
            +5
            Quote: purple
            did not know maybe because it is not necessary? Why learn a half-dead language?

            1 / 10 of the world speaks this language exactly wink
            1. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 11 September 2017 14: 30
              +2
              Quote: Serg65
              1 / 10 of the world speaks this language exactly

              In Kazakh? smile
              1. Serg65
                Serg65 11 September 2017 14: 41
                +5
                Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                In Kazakh?

                In Turkic, my friend! Kazakh, Turkmen, Kyrgyz, Turk, Khakas, Altai, Yakut, Tungus, Uyghur, Kabardian, Azerbaijani completely understand each other bully
                1. Hammerlock
                  Hammerlock 11 September 2017 15: 38
                  +1
                  Turks understand Khakass?
                2. Zalym
                  Zalym 11 September 2017 16: 12
                  +3
                  Quote: Serg65
                  In Turkic, my friend! Kazakh, Turkmen, Kyrgyz, Turk, Khakas, Altai, Yakut, Tungus, Uyghur, Kabardian, Azerbaijani completely understand each other


                  Not really. Turk Yakut, well, does not understand. But in principle, knowing one Turkic language, it is very easy to learn another. Even from Yakut to Turkish.

                  The Tungus are not Türks from the word at all, and their language is infinitely far from Türkic.
                3. Stas157
                  Stas157 11 September 2017 18: 28
                  +5
                  Quote: Serg65
                  Kazakh, Turkmen, Kyrgyz, Turk, Khakas, Altai, Yakut, Tungus, Uyghur, Kabardian, Azerbaijani completely understand each other

                  Because everyone knows Russian. Turks are no exception.
                4. aws4
                  aws4 11 September 2017 21: 27
                  0
                  absolutely right!!!! understand each other very well ..
          3. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 11 September 2017 14: 31
            +4
            Quote: purple
            did not know maybe because it is not necessary? Why learn a half-dead language?

            Let's do it somehow easier. A normal dialogue cannot be built on such a foundation.
            1. Semurg
              Semurg 11 September 2017 19: 34
              +1
              Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
              Quote: purple
              did not know maybe because it is not necessary? Why learn a half-dead language?

              Let's do it somehow easier. A normal dialogue cannot be built on such a foundation.

              Yes, many Kazakh Russians consider it to be expressed normally, it seems to have reached the authorities and they decided to teach subjects in the Kazakh language in all schools. Do not know Kazakh do not master objects, there is a loophole to master objects in Russian for extra. payment from tutors, but how to take intermediate exams in subjects in Kazakh.
              1. Zalym
                Zalym 11 September 2017 20: 09
                +1
                The coolest thing is that the Kazakhs do not understand that the Russians hate them. It’s just some kind of circus. Probably not in any country in the world.
                1. aws4
                  aws4 11 September 2017 21: 32
                  +2
                  Russians hate Kazakhs ????????????????????????? I hear the first race
                  1. marshes
                    marshes 11 September 2017 22: 20
                    0
                    Quote: aws4
                    Russians hate Kazakhs ????????????????????????? I hear the first race

                    And the earliest when there was a chance in the teeth not to get Kazakhs as they called names?
                    1. aws4
                      aws4 11 September 2017 22: 43
                      +3
                      in the teeth there was a chance not to get ???? the chance to get in the teeth was always and do not distort everyone ...
                      1. marshes
                        marshes 11 September 2017 22: 58
                        0
                        Quote: aws4
                        in the teeth there was a chance not to get ???? the chance to get in the teeth was always and do not distort everyone ...

                        I don’t distort, in the 80s I heard insulting phrases like Kalbit quite often. Until the year 86 happened, it was already dangerous to express myself. They can cut it, by the way year 88 is the very dawn of “authoritative” people I knew.
                    2. aws4
                      aws4 11 September 2017 22: 52
                      0
                      in fact, you now called the Kazakhs cowards ... bravo !!!!!!
                      1. marshes
                        marshes 11 September 2017 23: 01
                        0
                        Quote: aws4
                        in fact, you now called the Kazakhs cowards ... bravo !!!!!!

                        When did you put it that way? Describe. laughing
                    3. aws4
                      aws4 12 September 2017 03: 10
                      +2
                      marshes,
                      marshes,
                      I answer, until 86 you wrote, and that before that, the Kazakhs humbly suffered humiliation from the Russians ???? according to your logic, they were simply afraid ... and after 86, when the national liberation movements began, so to speak, and the Russians in the republics were on the sidelines with the tacit approval of the local authorities, only then the Kazakhs gathered courage and began to give tasks ???? I’m sorry, but some stupid things .. among the Russians I have lived all my life in Russia and have not seen any humiliation or insult without infringement of my rights, etc. and when they were fighting one-on-one in childhood and no one climbed and shouted a urine at h..k .. Russians in this regard are the most tolerant people of all whom I know ...
                      1. Zalym
                        Zalym 12 September 2017 08: 28
                        0
                        No, the point here is the processing of Kazakhs by Russian propaganda, which is even visible now, as well as the overwhelming numerical and moral superiority of Russians in cities.
                        Well, and besides, in 86, the national liberation movements began precisely in Kazakhstan.
                2. aws4
                  aws4 11 September 2017 21: 32
                  0
                  I know several Russians from Kazakhstan and speak very well about Kazakhs
                  1. Zalym
                    Zalym 11 September 2017 21: 39
                    +2
                    Quote: aws4
                    I know several Russians from Kazakhstan and speak very well about Kazakhs


                    Good. We assume that I exaggerated.
                    1. aws4
                      aws4 11 September 2017 22: 24
                      0
                      to be honest, it even became interesting to me ... you still know better there ... can you somehow detail about this ???
                      1. Zalym
                        Zalym 12 September 2017 08: 32
                        +1
                        Quote: aws4
                        to be honest, it even became interesting to me ... you still know better there ... can you somehow detail about this ???


                        Excuse me
                        Russians really do not like everything connected with the Kazakhs, from appearance to language and culture. May be with the exception of national meat dishes.
                        This stems from domestic racism, and also due to the fact that the Russians, as you rightly pointed out, were on the sidelines.
                        Nevertheless, there are no ethnic conflicts, because the Kazakhs really do not understand that the Russians really do not like them, due to the fact that the Russians are afraid to show this hostility in real life. And the Kazakhs, in turn, are stupidly processed by pro-Russian propaganda from Soviet times, plus live in the information space of Russia.
                        Of course, all this is only a sketch of the overall picture. In particulars and in real life, the features of relationships are much more complicated.
                    2. alexCRAZY74
                      alexCRAZY74 12 September 2017 02: 47
                      +2
                      Hmm ... Very exaggerated. I would call it a sick fantasy
                      1. Zalym
                        Zalym 12 September 2017 08: 25
                        +1
                        Quote: alexCRAZY74
                        Hmm ... Very exaggerated. I would call it a sick fantasy


                        Yes, nothing like that. They do not like Kazakhs very much, but now they are afraid to show it openly, so as not to get it.
                3. marshes
                  marshes 11 September 2017 22: 18
                  0
                  Quote: Zalym
                  The coolest thing is that the Kazakhs do not understand that the Russians hate them. It’s just some kind of circus. Probably not in any country in the world.

                  A simple picture from the 90s, the grandmother at the entrance, it’s clear who. My brother bought an apartment, a little expensive, we’re going fishing, we carry things and we hear -kalbitnya went fishing. The oldest I heard, then put the area with cancer. Do not exaggerate.
                  1. aws4
                    aws4 11 September 2017 22: 47
                    +3
                    and for a long time the cancer area stood ??? and cancer were representatives of all nationalities ???? dear you are drunk ??? when you sober up, explain what it means - kalbitnya ... and this is insulting and what is the meaning of this word ...
                    1. marshes
                      marshes 11 September 2017 23: 03
                      0
                      Quote: aws4
                      and for a long time the cancer area stood ??? and cancer were representatives of all nationalities ???? dear you are drunk ??? when you sober up, explain what it means - kalbitnya ... and this is insulting and what is the meaning of this word ...

                      A very long time. laughing So far, other authorities have not intervened. Well, it dawned on grandmas.
                      1. aws4
                        aws4 12 September 2017 00: 54
                        +1
                        and Kazakhs also stood cancer ??? and what if it’s no secret you and your brother did with them in a knee-elbow pose?))))))))))) you speak a lot and loudly !!!!!!!!
                4. kashtak
                  kashtak 12 September 2017 04: 20
                  +4
                  Quote: Zalym
                  The coolest thing is that the Kazakhs do not understand that the Russians hate them.

                  loud accusation. Is this a Freudian clause? or did the instructor give you such an installation? about the fact that inciting ethnic hatred is punishable by law to remind?
                5. aws4
                  aws4 12 September 2017 09: 47
                  +2
                  well, wait how I don’t understand. ??? .. Russians live in Kazakhstan and don’t like everything connected with the Kazakhs, from their appearance to their language and culture ... you just described the fascists ... that is, he’s going to the Russian city Kazakh meets the meeting, the Russian looks at the Kazakh and he begins to feel sick only from his appearance ???? then the Kazakh begins to speak on the phone and becomes even more practical because he does not like the language ???? and why I don’t notice for Russians such in Russia, it would seem at home ... here in my area the youth stands in a crowd of Tajik dirty-looking, frail, thin builders, so nobody touches them with a finger, they are also afraid ??? .. ... and here the Russians and even in Kazakhstan ... it seems to me that you consider yourself a moderate nationalist (which is good in principle) but you are very mistaken that this is immoderation ... sorry for the rudeness, but this only begs
                  1. odometer
                    odometer 12 September 2017 10: 35
                    +4
                    There was no desire to get into a skirmish, but such "tips" carrying out frank delirium (someone is afraid of someone, someone puts cancer in areas) cause legitimate indignation. Such statements are usually made either by deeply flawed, notorious dreamers or dumb-headed trolls . And, fortunately, we have more normal, quite adequate people than moral freaks who are hiding behind the revival of national identity.
                  2. Zalym
                    Zalym 12 September 2017 19: 16
                    0
                    Quote: aws4
                    that is, a Russian goes around the city to meet a Kazakh, a Russian looks at a Kazakh and begins to feel sick only from his appearance ???? then the Kazakh begins to speak on the phone and becomes even more practical because he does not like the language ????


                    If you exaggerate strongly, then yes.

                    Quote: aws4
                    and why I don’t notice for Russians such in Russia, it would seem at home ... here in my area the youth is standing in a crowd of dirty, sickly, thin builders of Tajiks so nobody touches them with a finger, they are also afraid


                    Here is my argument ahead of. I just wanted to write that the Russians in the Russian Federation also roughly relate to those who had come from Central Asia, as well as the Russians from Kazakhstan to the locals. Imagine Russian in St. Petersburg, for example, and then towards a crowd of Gaster from Central Asia, and even communicate in their own language. He will experience the same feelings that you described above.

                    Yes, and take even a topvar, in what epithets here Russians speak of Central Asians, I’m not talking about other sites where comments with calls to drive the chocks or wet them cause only approval.
                    1. aws4
                      aws4 13 September 2017 05: 10
                      0
                      no, you’re wrong .... it seems to me that you live in your own fictional world .. but the fact that somewhere someone responds in topvar is only a small percentage of the population, but all peoples are flawed
                      1. Zalym
                        Zalym 13 September 2017 08: 10
                        0
                        Nothing like this. Most of Russia's population is openly hostile towards the same migrants. In the article, of course, everything is smoothed out, but nonetheless.
                        https://www.vedomosti.ru/politics/articles/2017/0
                        4/28/687871-otnoshenie-migrantam-uhudshaetsya
                        And if you ask people to speak frankly, I’m sure most of the answers about migrants will be not just hostile, but frankly fascist.
    2. igorj 51
      igorj 51 11 September 2017 13: 16
      +4
      Heh, heh Russian-speaking and before that the Cyrillic alphabet did not know as well as the Kazakh language.

      Well, you don’t speak for everyone.
      1. marshes
        marshes 11 September 2017 13: 33
        +1
        Quote: igorj 51
        Well, you don’t speak for everyone.

        Sen Cossack Bilesin Be?
        1. Nasrat
          Nasrat 11 September 2017 13: 39
          +5
          Quote: marshes
          Quote: igorj 51
          Well, you don’t speak for everyone.

          Sen Cossack Bilesin Be?

          Yok Mening Uzbek bilaman .. wink
        2. igorj 51
          igorj 51 11 September 2017 14: 20
          +3
          Sen Cossack Bilesin Be?

          Naho mumkіn emes. Men of Kazakhstan. Turamyn.
          1. Semurg
            Semurg 11 September 2017 19: 40
            +3
            Quote: igorj 51
            Sen Cossack Bilesin Be?

            Naho mumkіn emes. Men of Kazakhstan. Turamyn.

            Zharaisyn. Sagan Bolashak kazakstanda bar. The truth is not in power and big business is where its people are everywhere and everything is divided.
    3. Serg65
      Serg65 11 September 2017 13: 30
      +8
      Quote: marshes
      Heh, heh Russian-speaking and before that the Cyrillic alphabet did not know as well as the Kazakh language.

      laughing like some Kazakh-speaking
      1. marshes
        marshes 11 September 2017 14: 25
        +3
        Quote: Serg65
        like some Kazakh-speaking

        Kazakh-speaking people knew the disease, still had to learn. The older ones looked after it.
        Although I studied in Almaty in the 80s, where there were over 1,2 lyam populations, but at that time, there were two Kazakh schools, 12 and 86, and both were crowded. 86 appeared around 83, 12 from the very beginning, by the way, and now it has its own you can’t attach a child, the turn is the best Kazakh-speaking education throughout the country. My father graduated from it and lived in a boarding school with her. He is 45 b. and Kazakh was optional, or rather writing at that time in Latin and Arabic could be obtained. Two languages ​​were taught Arabic and German, then English appeared.
        And now my dunce go to a tutor in languages, but my wife, being an ethnic German, is fluent in the state language and writes, was born and raised in the suburbs of Taraz, where everyone in the district was only Kazakhs and Turks and a couple of German families. So she goes to Latin no problem. laughing
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 11 September 2017 14: 35
          +4
          hi Greetings to the Swamps!
          Quote: marshes
          Although I studied at 80x in Almaty

          I often go to Almaty on business and often meet urban Kazakhs (those who are for 40) who can hardly speak Kazakh.
          Quote: marshes
          the spouse, being an ethnic German, is fluent in the state language and writes, was born and raised in the suburb of Taraz, where everyone in the district was only Kazakhs and Turks and a couple of German families.

          laughing A normal, ubiquitous picture of the way of life in Central Asia, only two more are missing ... a Korean and a Uighur (in the Kyrgyz version, the Dungan is also shared wink ) Since in my school (a suburb of Frunze) there were 8 Kyrgyz people in 30 classes. then there is a certain problem with Kyrgyz, the son, on the contrary, grew up among the Kyrgyz and Turks - he speaks like in his native Russian.
          1. marshes
            marshes 11 September 2017 14: 51
            0
            Quote: Serg65
            Greetings to the Swamps!

            And you don’t get sick, so I went hunting and fishing. It was ineffective, I had a barbecue and cocktails. I brought it home. Now, after a couple of weeks, everyone wished to draw themselves.
            Quote: Serg65
            I often go to Almaty on business and often meet urban Kazakhs (those who are for 40) who can hardly speak Kazakh.

            Yes, there are some, one of these. But in the aul one figs in Kazakh have to talk. In the city it’s not always, except for bazaars and wholesalers.
            Quote: Serg65
            only two more are missing ... a Korean and a Uyghur (in the Kyrgyz version, the Dunganin will also share them

            Koreans don’t already know their own language, communicate in Russian or Kazakh, there are some. We have few Dungans, although there was a funny incident.
            I rode on the 8th train that went early from Moscow, the fellow travelers in the car the Russians heard Chinese laughing , all the damn the Chinese flooded Kazakhstan, they say they are local Dungans. laughing And he began to engage in political information.
            At the expense of the Uighurs, they have recently been related to the Kazakhs, they realized what was happening.
            1. Serg65
              Serg65 11 September 2017 15: 05
              +3
              Quote: marshes
              on-site barbecue and cocktails

              Koktal by the way only tried on Kapchagai ( laughing Now I’m cooking it myself), I’ve never seen it again. THING good
              Quote: marshes
              Koreans don’t know their language,

              Her, our actively in Russian and Korean. besides, they are very coolly sponsored by South Korea.
              1. marshes
                marshes 11 September 2017 15: 23
                0
                Quote: Serg65
                I tried Koktal by the way only on Kapchagai (now I’m cooking it myself), I haven’t seen it anywhere else. THING

                But chips were added to the cocktail bowl or simply overheated so that the fat would go, where I hunt and fish there is a horsepeck and aspen.
                Quote: Serg65
                Her, our actively in Russian and Korean. besides, they are very coolly sponsored by South Korea.

                I haven’t met such ours, I know that there are Korean courses for them. Kyzylorda Koreans are scratching them in Kazakh, but there are few of them. And so the Koreans are moving from you and Uzbekistan to us, mainly to Astana and Almaty.
                1. Pancir026
                  Pancir026 11 September 2017 15: 35
                  +2
                  Quote: marshes
                  in English

                  Colleague, you asked me a question about the alphabet ... Latin letters in Kazakhstan .. well, what can I say .. you will lose a lot. And judging by the screams there is a certain Ereka Today, 12:56 .so you will lose a lot.
                  And then, how will you communicate with us then? We obviously won’t go to the Latin alphabet .. and how will all technical terms be translated, from bolt to inch thread? Or, as always, olts -molta-BOLT, alta-gabalt-carving ? This has already passed ... we have tried in the national republics ... such bedlam ... everything is the same in Russian .. you don’t have to communicate in Chinese .. although the question is for you, if you go to deaf isolation. Write about the same Uighurs ..
                  Do not accept the comment as something insulting to you ... thinking out loud ... especially reading an unreasonable roar - Ereka Today, 12:56 PM
                  IN ONE strength, apart ... well, continue on your own .. but apart now. You can’t, it’s fraught for everyone.
                  1. marshes
                    marshes 11 September 2017 16: 05
                    +1
                    Quote: Pancir026
                    Do not accept the comment as something insulting to you ... thinking out loud ... especially reading an unreasonable roar - Ereka Today, 12:56 PM

                    And Ereka said the right thing, questions on Latinization can be said to be closed.
                    After all, most Kazakhs are 24 years old unlike the others 47. And the level of development of the Kazakh language will increase, with increasing numbers. Therefore, the Latin graphics for them. By the way, my cousin from the front wrote in Latin, although my native Arabic is 8 year of birth was. So what's the problem.
                    1. Pancir026
                      Pancir026 11 September 2017 16: 14
                      0
                      Quote: marshes
                      So what's the problem.

                      The problem is in do.ri of such guardians for the "national"
                      It would be said calmly, as the author of the comment- Hawthorn Today, 15:30 ↑, there would be no questions.
                      Quote: marshes
                      And the level of development of the Kazakh language will increase, with increasing numbers.

                      Who is against it, develop. Only you from something, stubbornly did not want to answer, how to deal with technological documentation and not only? Comment
                      Nyrobsky Today, 14:30 ↑ read ...
                      1. marshes
                        marshes 11 September 2017 16: 48
                        +1
                        Quote: Pancir026
                        Who is against it, develop. Only you from something, stubbornly did not want to answer, how to deal with technological documentation and not only?

                        And what’s the problem, knowledge of three languages ​​from this year will be compulsory including first-graders training, there are few places for first-graders. Now there are 18 lyam people in the KZ, in ten years it will probably double. There are catastrophically not enough schools, kindergartens and teachers.
                        And yet, next year, the nephew graduates from the chemical faculty in Germany, training is free-of-charge from the BASF concern, before they paid for their studies, now she has them. It was not Kazakh but knowledge of English and then German that helped, of course, those adversaries use to write latin font. laughing
                  2. Zalym
                    Zalym 11 September 2017 18: 22
                    +3
                    Quote: Pancir026
                    And then, how then will you communicate with us? We’ll obviously not go to the Latin alphabet ..


                    Those. if we write in Latin in Kazakh, then you will not understand us, but do you understand Kazakh in Cyrillic? laughing
                    We will communicate with you in Russian, no?
        2. Hawthorn
          Hawthorn 11 September 2017 15: 30
          +3
          The 86th school opened in 1977. 62nd - in 1983 Serg65 was amused that some Kazakhs did not know their native language. Therefore, they did not know that it was etched by the Soviet regime. And what's so funny about that? My relatives, among whom are also Germans, Ukrainians, Russians, Koreans and even Bulgarians, speak Kazakh very well. Some of them live abroad (they left back in the days of the Union). They live mainly in America. So this version of the Latin alphabet is just for me. They forgot the spelling rules there. - annoying. But Kazakh is actively practiced so that grandchildren with their grandparents and (Glory to God!) Great-grandfathers and great-grandmothers communicate easily. Of course, young shoots have an accent, but the vocabulary is quite rich. Well done. So the applied value of the new alphabet for my family is invaluable. Plus convenience when working with the keyboard. With 42 letters, the layout had to be switched twice - from English to Cyrillic (Russian), and from it to Cyrillic (Kazakh). At the same time, the letters denoting the specific sounds of the Kazakh language had to be typed like this: "ә" on the top 2, "-" on the top 4, "ұ" on the top 9, and a comma and period on 6 and 7, respectively . So the decision is purely practical, pragmatic. I do not see anything Russophobic in this decision. It is important to understand that the Latin will be used in relation to the Kazakh language (write, read, learn, etc.). Nobody cancels the Russian language. He is also taught in schools, colleges and universities. Russian language prevails in the media. So hysteria in this case is inappropriate. And some article, "with claims" negative Manipulative article. PS The graphic designation of the letter "f" is incorrectly reflected in the article. It will look like "ph".
          1. marshes
            marshes 11 September 2017 15: 41
            +1
            Quote: Hawthorn
            86th school in 1977 opened

            In 83, she became Kazakh-speaking.
            Quote: Hawthorn
            62nd - in 1983
            There was not 83 of her, perhaps after 88, she appeared when all of the Kazakh language instruction began in Kazakhstan.
            1. Hawthorn
              Hawthorn 11 September 2017 15: 53
              0
              In 1975, I went to the 12th. in 1977 moved to the 86th, and in 1983 to the 62nd)
              1. marshes
                marshes 11 September 2017 16: 16
                +1
                Quote: Hawthorn
                In 1975, I went to the 12th. in 1977 moved to the 86th, and in 1983 to the 62nd)

                It cannot be that 86 lived near 6 mikr, the elder brother studied there, 86 made Kazakh, his father decided that he would receive education in Russian and transferred to 9, which is 12 mikr, But he graduated from the military school of the Strategic Missile Forces in the RSFSR with a red diploma. in military aviation he spent more than 30 years, graduating from 12th school.
          2. Stalinistmmsk
            Stalinistmmsk 12 September 2017 03: 46
            0
            "Because they did not know that he was etched by the Soviet government."

            Oh, how vehemently etched. I just couldn’t eat!

            The Committee on the New Alphabet at the CEC of the SSR developed the so-called. “Unified Turkic Alphabet” (Yanalif or Kazakh. Zhangalip) based on the Latin alphabet. The alphabet, with some modifications specific to the Kazakh language, was officially used from 1929 to 1940, when it was replaced by the Cyrillic alphabet.

            Since November 1940, Kazakh writing in the USSR was completely translated into Cyrillic. The Kazakh Cyrillic alphabet, developed by the outstanding linguist S. Amanzholov, consists of 42 letters. Compiled on the basis of the alphabet of the Russian language. Thanks to the efforts of Kazakh linguists, the basics of grammar and spelling were developed. I must admit that the current version of the Kazakh Cyrillic alphabet is very successful. It includes sounds specific to the Kazakh language. Especially the advantages of the Amanzholov alphabet are felt when compared with the Cyrillic alphabets used by other Turkic peoples.


            Nevertheless, I am convinced that the transition of Kazakh writing to Latin script at the current historical stage is fully justified. It is called to raise national self-awareness and give an additional impetus to the development of the Kazakh language, its role in the life of modern Kazakhstan. I also think that in parallel with the Latin alphabet, it is necessary to revive the runic script (unofficial voluntary alternative), as a tribute to the rich historical traditions.

            That is, in short - one policy and games in the "Europe" again. Kazakhstan will end badly.
            hi
  3. Same lech
    Same lech 11 September 2017 12: 53
    +8
    This is from the same series of MEDVEDEV renaming the police to the police ...
    Nazarbayev suffers from the same disease ... however, there is another goal, as it were, to break away a bit from RUSSIA through the language and alphabet ... I think nothing good will come of it.
  4. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 11 September 2017 12: 54
    +5
    The solution is strange and not cheap. Does Nazarbayev fall into dementia?
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 11 September 2017 19: 48
      +1
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      The solution is strange and not cheap. Does Nazarbayev fall into dementia?

      That the solution is not cheap is the fact that on this the hands are heated the same, that there are many other problems the same. But he doesn’t have dementia, he often took
      the solution of big questions to my personal responsibility, although the majority was against and turned out to be right, I think the transition to the Latin alphabet from the same opera.
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    1. 79807420129
      79807420129 11 September 2017 13: 01
      +19
      Quote: Ereke
      umlauts

      Well, right, in Cyrillic, you make 10 mistakes. laughing laughing Burn umlaut. good
      1. Solomon Kane
        Solomon Kane 11 September 2017 13: 19
        +5
        The smell of the free West ....
        Vlad, salute!
        1. 79807420129
          79807420129 11 September 2017 13: 27
          +9
          Quote: Solomon Kane
          Vlad, salute!

          Kostya is healthy! hi Here, most likely the smell of alcohol at what infused with hemp laughing Ulmauts - a new nation laughing Give Umleutia. hi
        2. Nasrat
          Nasrat 11 September 2017 13: 49
          +4
          Quote: Solomon Kane
          The smell of the free West ....


          The smell of Turkey was taken over ... All of Central Asia (especially Azerbaijan) doesn’t have a soul in Turkey - that’s a dream, so to speak ... And they pick up keys for a dream .. How many books, street names, cities should be reprinted, how many people should be retrained - these rich Kazakhs !!!
      2. Semurg
        Semurg 11 September 2017 19: 54
        +1
        Quote: 79807420129
        Quote: Ereke
        umlauts

        Well, right, in Cyrillic, you make 10 mistakes. laughing laughing Burn umlaut. good

        He is not Russian, he is excusable. And you are probably a connoisseur of the Russian language
        rejoiced at mistakes, and completely discourage non-Russians from writing and speaking Russian. Then you are surprised that it’s not the Russians leaving the “Russian world”
    2. novel66
      novel66 11 September 2017 13: 01
      +7
      Kazakhstan - is Europe?
      1. Serg65
        Serg65 11 September 2017 13: 39
        +3
        Healthy flyer! hi
        Quote: novel xnumx
        Kazakhstan - is Europe?

        Not Roma. Kazakhstan - Kazakstan Blvd!
        It is on its own, it doesn’t smell of Europe there, Kazakhs love meat and not cookies laughing
        1. novel66
          novel66 11 September 2017 14: 23
          +3
          Well, you do not get sick! hi ,, now I’m not sure anymore - it’s necessary to take a closer look, all of a sudden they will start jumping - Alma-Ata should be in its native harbor
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 11 September 2017 14: 44
            +2
            Quote: novel xnumx
            Alma-Ata should be in their native harbor

            By the way, Roma, what for you Kamchatka, congresses to Almaty, you will not regret! Gorgeous little town ... like two Uryupinsk and one Konotop! (Joke laughing )
            1. novel66
              novel66 11 September 2017 15: 04
              +3
              are you telling me this? request let it be known to you. my friend, that my dad was just from there and stayed with my grandmother as a child, I remembered for all my life the smell of lamb kebab, which was fried on every corner on aluminum wires, and my aunt still lives there. I'll get rich, or at work. (oh! remembered! Cinema named Sary-Arka!)
              1. Serg65
                Serg65 11 September 2017 15: 08
                +2
                Quote: novel xnumx
                my dad was born just the same from there and in childhood stayed with my grandmother

                Uh-uh-uh brother, are you a fellow countryman? Ay ah ah, brother come, you will not regret it !!!!! drinks
                1. novel66
                  novel66 11 September 2017 15: 16
                  +2
                  I'm heavy, brother! not so easy to climb crying crying but if you contact our office in Kazakhstan, you look, and you will meet me on the flight, immediately with a bottle, so as not to lose time, well, in duty-free, I’ll grab something that corresponds to the greatness of the moment
                  1. Serg65
                    Serg65 11 September 2017 15: 19
                    +3
                    Quote: novel xnumx
                    you will meet me from the flight, immediately with a bottle

                    Noticed brother! Don’t take it in duty, it’s the same with us, but at times cheaper bully
                    1. novel66
                      novel66 11 September 2017 15: 24
                      +2
                      Well, something pulled me straight to the historical homeland, I'm sorry, the liver! laughing good drinks
              2. marshes
                marshes 11 September 2017 22: 34
                0
                Quote: novel xnumx
                (oh! remembered! Cinema named Sary-Arka!)

                And the stars didn’t receive the stars at the fifty-fifty, just next to the barn.
                1. novel66
                  novel66 12 September 2017 09: 27
                  +2
                  did not catch the thought? request
      2. IQ12NHJ21az
        IQ12NHJ21az 11 September 2017 14: 04
        +4
        Kazakhstan is a misunderstanding. From a yurt to space! Space power! About 80 years ago, this territory of the Russian Empire was renamed to Kazakhstan and the name Kazakhstan appeared only a little later, although there were no Kazakhs in northern Kazakhstan before.
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 11 September 2017 14: 20
          +4
          Quote: IQ12NHJ21az
          About 80 years ago this territory of the Russian Empire renamed to Kazakhstan

          what Are you sure that in the 1937 countries, which you think gave Kazakhstan a name, they called the Russian Empire ???
        2. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 11 September 2017 14: 36
          +2
          Quote: IQ12NHJ21az
          Kazakhstan is a misunderstanding.

          Let's write something else in the same vein. Give the local Kazakh nationalists one more stone to the foundation of their idea.
          1. Zalym
            Zalym 11 September 2017 16: 05
            +3
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            Let's write something else in the same vein. Give the local Kazakh nationalists one more stone to the foundation of their idea.


            What went wrong with sending CSTO troops to Syria to help bearded men? lol
            1. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 11 September 2017 16: 12
              +1
              Quote: Zalym
              What went wrong with sending CSTO troops to Syria to help bearded men?

              The Kazakhs failed. Once to them. They are busy translating written language into racially faithful Latin letters. Well, the rest said looking at it, if the mighty Kazakh warriors did not go to Syria, then we really have nothing to catch there. smile
        3. Hawthorn
          Hawthorn 11 September 2017 15: 48
          +2
          The misunderstanding is that as a result of close communication between two, perhaps not the worst people on Earth, a "not a mouse, not a frog" was born, and not even an "unknown animal", but something underdeveloped, which later designated itself as IQ12NHJ21az
      3. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 11 September 2017 14: 20
        +1
        Quote: novel xnumx
        Kazakhstan - is Europe?

        Well, they are in UEFA. Clubs play in European competition, the team, of course, also in the eurozone. In short, as in girls "in contact" - the status is "everything is complicated." laughing
        1. novel66
          novel66 11 September 2017 15: 06
          +3
          however, one cannot booty booty on two chairs - either with us or with them
          1. Semurg
            Semurg 11 September 2017 19: 57
            +1
            Quote: novel xnumx
            however, one cannot booty booty on two chairs - either with us or with them

            What organizes our own UEFA and Belarusians inclusive?
            1. novel66
              novel66 12 September 2017 09: 29
              +2
              the question is not about uefa - the question of political orientation, we play in uefa, and I would like sports to be without politics ... haha
    3. Same lech
      Same lech 11 September 2017 13: 01
      +14
      Russian, it’s not your business simply, scream and pop your nose always wherever you get !!!

      Have you gotten off a palm tree for a long time? ... what here's another confirmation ... nationalists frostbite immediately raise their heads.
      After all, not only Kazakhs live in KAZAKHSTAN.
    4. den3080
      den3080 11 September 2017 13: 03
      +3
      Oh how! Or maybe the global trend of elbasa correctly guessed?
      The world will soon begin to switch to “China”, after all, 1,4 billion people in China, plus all sorts of Taiwan and Chinatowns (in London, for example, where newspapers in Chinese are published).
      1. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 11 September 2017 15: 57
        +2
        The Chinese themselves often use simplified Latin script.
      2. CorvusCoraks
        CorvusCoraks 12 September 2017 17: 34
        0
        Quote: den3080
        Chinese woman

        or an Indian, they seemed to be proud that they had already caught up or almost overtook China in numbers)
    5. vch
      vch 11 September 2017 13: 05
      +11
      Quote: Ereke
      normal, otherwise there’s no sense imposed by the Cyrillic alphabet Ю Щ Я Я Э в в in the scoop. Kazakh letters will be like German umlauts simply. Russian, it’s not your business simply, scream and pop your nose always wherever you get !!! This Kazakh alphabet is changing, not yours. Mustache, the topic is closed. A hunt once again 3,14 to ride, well ... only without us

      Have you come here specially to show your illiteracy and rudeness? So I remind you that you are in a Russian-language forum and it is not for you to indicate what to discuss and what not ....
      1. Stalinistmmsk
        Stalinistmmsk 12 September 2017 03: 54
        0
        Since November 1940, Kazakh writing in the USSR was completely translated into Cyrillic. The Kazakh Cyrillic alphabet, developed by the outstanding linguist S. Amanzholov, consists of 42 letters. Compiled on the basis of the alphabet of the Russian language. Thanks to the efforts of Kazakh linguists, the basics of grammar and spelling were developed. I must admit that the current version of the Kazakh Cyrillic alphabet is very successful. It includes sounds specific to the Kazakh language. Especially the advantages of the Amanzholov alphabet are felt when compared with the Cyrillic alphabets used by other Turkic peoples.

        The transition to the Latin script is designed to raise national identity and give an additional impetus to the development of the Kazakh language.

        Nevertheless, I am convinced that the transition of Kazakh writing to Latin script at the current historical stage is fully justified. It is designed to enhance national identity and give an additional impetus to the development of the Kazakh language, his role in the life of modern Kazakhstan. I also think that in parallel with the Latin alphabet, it is necessary to revive the runic script (unofficial voluntary alternative), as a tribute to the rich historical traditions.

        fool CE Europe
    6. reservist
      reservist 11 September 2017 13: 12
      +6
      Now write the same thing in Latin.
      And at the same time tell me how many Russians live in Kazakhstan now ...

      Quote: Ereke
      ... Russian, it's none of your business ...

      don’t tell what to do and we won’t tell you where to go ...
    7. Serg65
      Serg65 11 September 2017 13: 35
      +6
      Quote: Ereke
      Russian, it’s not your business, just scream and poke your nose wherever you go

      Yes, for God's sake, at least go to the Chinese characters, only ordinary people are sorry now for those who for 10 the printed word will be closed for five years recourse
      1. Semurg
        Semurg 11 September 2017 20: 01
        +1
        Quote: Serg65
        Quote: Ereke
        Russian, it’s not your business, just scream and poke your nose wherever you go

        Yes, for God's sake, at least go to the Chinese characters, only ordinary people are sorry now for those who for 10 the printed word will be closed for five years recourse

        To anyone over 50, young people have long corresponded in Latin letters, though without approved rules, now this business is legalized and spelling rules are being introduced.
        1. Stalinistmmsk
          Stalinistmmsk 12 September 2017 03: 55
          +1
          What kind of Latin does it correspond? Did you eat enough mushrooms?
    8. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 11 September 2017 14: 08
      +4
      Quote: Ereke
      normal, otherwise there’s no sense imposed by the Cyrillic alphabet Ю Щ Я Я Э в в in the scoop. Kazakh letters will be like German umlauts simply. Russian, it’s not your business simply, scream and pop your nose always wherever you get !!! This Kazakh alphabet is changing, not yours. Mustache, the topic is closed. A hunt once again 3,14 to ride, well ... only without us

      Are you not Ukrainian for an hour? And then the style is one in one Ukrainian. The same pathos, stupidity and arrogance in one bottle. laughing We don’t have enough of our own such intellectuals, so here you are also Kazakh. laughing
    9. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 11 September 2017 14: 30
      +5
      Quote: Ereke
      normal, otherwise there’s no sense imposed by the Cyrillic alphabet Ю Щ Я Я Э в в in the scoop. Kazakh letters will be like German umlauts simply. Russian, it’s not your business simply, scream and pop your nose always wherever you get !!! This Kazakh alphabet is changing, not yours. Mustache, the topic is closed. A hunt once again 3,14 to ride, well ... only without us

      Do not worry. We understand that, of course, it is very necessary to reduce the alphabet from 42 letters to 25, so that the entire population would write texts twice as fast. Focus on the new alphabet and delve into how your cunning bureaucrats, who started this “innovation” are now ten to twenty years old, will cut the Kazakh budget by folding tenge into their pockets, which supposedly must be spent on translating thousands of Kazakh books. Then millions of tenge will have to be spent on the disposal of old books. Why burn them for nothing? This is a breakthrough of money for a narrow circle of people. These tenge could go for example to education and medicine, the financing of which will be cut back, and increased for transfer. Other problems for Kazakhstan, in addition to the alphabet problem, as I understand it, do not exist. And about poking your nose, you need to make a correction - it's you popping your nose on a Russian-language site, and not vice versa.
    10. kashtak
      kashtak 11 September 2017 15: 10
      +3
      Quote: Ereke
      Russian, it’s not your business simply, scream and pop your nose always wherever you get !!! This Kazakh alphabet is changing, not yours.

      Another (b) ram of the "civilized" world? If anyone squeals here, it's not us. Did the experience of Ukraine teach you anything? Or, too, a cookie with LSD from NPO was eating? Then why come here? You work clumsily for a troll.
  6. Bronevick
    Bronevick 11 September 2017 12: 59
    0
    Went to the wrong steppe.
  7. unignm
    unignm 11 September 2017 13: 00
    +4
    even some garbage doing. why then not the Arabic alphabet? there was the Arabic alphabet in the history of Kazakhstan.
    1. reservist
      reservist 11 September 2017 13: 16
      0
      You see, the Chinese will be reformed ...
  8. Msta
    Msta 11 September 2017 13: 03
    +5
    A typical example of anti-Russian policy of the brothers
  9. Tolstoevsky
    Tolstoevsky 11 September 2017 13: 04
    +4
    do not have time to go, as they have to go to the hieroglyphs
  10. bagr69
    bagr69 11 September 2017 13: 05
    +1
    What for? The documentation of the TR TS and other regulations will also be redone?
  11. Disorder
    Disorder 11 September 2017 13: 07
    +1
    Is it difficult to create your own alphabet?
  12. SOF
    SOF 11 September 2017 13: 43
    +2
    Quote: unignm
    even some garbage doing. why then not the Arabic alphabet? there was the Arabic alphabet in the history of Kazakhstan.

    exactly. Then, one, he jumped out of his pants, once, trying to prove what they say, commies, shameful wolves, his people were deprived of their native language. Yes, after all, bad luck - the Latin alphabet to them, in the 20s of the last century, it was the communists who introduced the decree, and before that - they used Arabic script, which, in turn, from time immemorial, was brought to them along with Islam. ... and it’s not known, because if you switch to your native script, then the Kazakh language will look something like this: 1I0 / L \ ..... and so on, runic, in a word ...
  13. Back in USSR
    Back in USSR 11 September 2017 13: 44
    0
    Every six months, exacerbation, then spring, then autumn is an endless theme ...
  14. Kunica
    Kunica 11 September 2017 14: 13
    +1
    New letters, in order to describe how the ancient Kazakhs dug the Caspian Sea.
  15. Pecheneg
    Pecheneg 11 September 2017 14: 20
    +4
    Honestly, in the country and without the alphabet there are not a few unresolved issues. with the current alphabet, we can’t compile textbooks for schools normally. But at the same time, I do not see anything anti-Russian in changing the alphabet. Just as the non-Kazakh population of the country did not learn the Kazakh language, they won’t. From this they are neither hot nor cold. The question is why the Russian Federation reacted so painfully to this decision of the leadership of the Republic of Kazakhstan, after all, an independent state, this is its internal affair.
    1. marshes
      marshes 11 September 2017 22: 40
      0
      Quote: Pecheneg
      Honestly, in the country and without the alphabet there are not a few unresolved issues. with the current alphabet, school textbooks cannot be made up normally

      Yes, normal textbooks, here they were laughing at the earliest, and now the thing is, just some individuals are trying to shove their own and the most surprising are those who are considered native speakers.
      The current textbooks in schools are a copy of those in the late 80s.
    2. Stalinistmmsk
      Stalinistmmsk 12 September 2017 03: 56
      0
      There is a different opinion

      Since November 1940, Kazakh writing in the USSR was completely translated into Cyrillic. The Kazakh Cyrillic alphabet, developed by the outstanding linguist S. Amanzholov, consists of 42 letters. Compiled on the basis of the alphabet of the Russian language. Thanks to the efforts of Kazakh linguists, the basics of grammar and spelling were developed. I must admit that the current version of the Kazakh Cyrillic alphabet is very successful. It includes sounds specific to the Kazakh language. Especially the advantages of the Amanzholov alphabet are felt when compared with the Cyrillic alphabets used by other Turkic peoples.

      Nevertheless, I am convinced that the transition of Kazakh writing to Latin script at the current historical stage is fully justified. It is designed to enhance national identity and give an additional impetus to the development of the Kazakh language, his role in the life of modern Kazakhstan. I also think that in parallel with the Latin alphabet, it is necessary to revive the runic script (unofficial voluntary alternative), as a tribute to the rich historical traditions.

      All tsimes - Kazakhstan is not Russia (c) fool
  16. Berkut24
    Berkut24 11 September 2017 15: 01
    0
    A Kazakhstan philologist Yerbol Tleshov told the media that the number of letters in the Latinized Kazakh alphabet will be almost halved. If now the 42 letters, then after the translation into Latin will remain 25.

    Yes, something dofiga remains. You can cut it again by five. Schoolchildren dictated sharply feel better.
  17. yuliatreb
    yuliatreb 11 September 2017 15: 03
    +3
    How much time will pass for the people to accept this Ә - ae, Ө - oe, Ү - ue, Ң - ng, Ғ - gh, H - ch, W - sh, F - zh, probably more than a dozen years, than they The Cyrillic alphabet did not please, from the rearrangement of the places of the terms the sum does not change and the mind does not increase. He himself was born and raised in East Kazakhstan and I know this people, they don’t need this Ә - ae, Ө - oe, Ү - ue, Ң - ng, Ғ - gh, H - ch, W - sh, F - zh, in general the situation may "roll" ambiguously.
  18. Topotun
    Topotun 11 September 2017 15: 24
    +3
    It is interesting who will retrain the population, redo documentation, reprint books and textbooks, newspapers ... And much more ... One reorganization of the postal department is worth what .... However - no matter what the child was amusing - just not to smoke. ...
  19. anjey
    anjey 11 September 2017 15: 36
    +1
    some kind of linguistically cunning deflection in front of the west, such as rapprochement at the language level ...
    1. Ugolek
      Ugolek 11 September 2017 16: 06
      +1
      There is no need to mix politics and especially geopolitics ...

      All the movements of the president (Transfer of the capital, Expo, authorship of books, such as scientific papers, pantheons, authorship of the anthem, changing the alphabet) are clumsy attempts to go down in history as SIGNIFICANT. But these attempts are blocked by the collapse and betrayal of the people that he made.
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  22. anjey
    anjey 11 September 2017 16: 14
    +1
    Quote: Ugolek
    There is no need to mix politics and especially geopolitics ...

    All the movements of the president (Transfer of the capital, Expo, authorship of books, such as scientific papers, pantheons, authorship of the anthem, changing the alphabet) are clumsy attempts to go down in history as SIGNIFICANT. But these attempts are blocked by the collapse and betrayal of the people that he made.

    whom did he betray? lowered the southern clans, raised the northern?
    1. Zalym
      Zalym 11 September 2017 16: 46
      +1
      Quote: anjey
      whom did he betray? lowered the southern clans, raised the northern?


      Why would he lower the southern clans?
      1. marshes
        marshes 11 September 2017 17: 16
        +2
        Quote: Zalym
        Why would he lower the southern clans?

        When the Nordic transplanted laughing stupidly because of the climate or something, they don’t know how to hide money, "wash", they just steal into the insolent without even hiding, or the southerners are "blue" thieves.
        1. Zalym
          Zalym 11 September 2017 17: 19
          +1
          Yes, here a comrade, in my opinion, believes that Nazer is supposedly not a southerner, although he is a southerner and is the whole government, it consists of southerners, who all migrated to Astana. =) Where did the legend about the northern, and even the Younger origin of Nazer, come from?
          1. marshes
            marshes 11 September 2017 17: 44
            0
            Quote: Zalym
            Yes, here a comrade, in my opinion, believes that Nazer is supposedly not a southerner, although he is a southerner and is the whole government, it consists of southerners, who all migrated to Astana. =) Where did the legend about the northern, and even the Younger origin of Nazer, come from?

            Yes, it’s clear, it just might have moved because of age. In the conditions of mountainous terrain that we have high blood pressure. It’s very tempting to sleep in Astana, but the pressure is 100/60. It’s better for me in Almaty and in the foothills.
            1. Zalym
              Zalym 11 September 2017 17: 45
              +1
              The main reason is to stake out the north. :)
              1. marshes
                marshes 11 September 2017 18: 11
                +1
                Quote: Zalym
                The main reason is to stake out the north. :)

                In part, yes, it’s just that Almaty didn’t recognize Uzun’s agashevsky guy very much, and local aborigines know what and how.
                So marriage with the Kulibayev family is the most reasonable step. Yes, the promotion of those numerous ... who can provide support. By the way, he’s from Tech. laughing And those are numerous.
  23. XXXIII
    XXXIII 11 September 2017 16: 15
    +1
    Well, let them learn the new alphabet laughing , gofig yes , that's just Nazarbayev campaign in the subject (money) drinks , and let the people torment their brains with all sorts of nonsense ..... Everyone on the iPhone to work better D. Medvedev !!! wassat
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    1. marshes
      marshes 11 September 2017 17: 19
      +2
      Quote: nikolaev
      Is it senility? Or the intelligence level of modern "elites"? de..ly bl ..!

      The youth, and it is numerous with us, has long been using the Latin script in communication.
      Latin is the language of young people and those born after the 20th century.
      1. Zalym
        Zalym 11 September 2017 17: 39
        +3
        Quote: marshes
        The youth, and it is numerous with us, has long been using the Latin script in communication.


        Not only. For example, sms from 112 with notification of a storm, frost, etc. because they come in Latin. =)
        1. marshes
          marshes 11 September 2017 17: 54
          0
          Quote: Zalym
          Not only. For example, sms from 112 with notification of a storm, frost, etc. because they come in Latin. =)

          Yes, the last time I wrote here on this site. laughing By the way, they opened like a museum about the warriors and heroes of Kazakhstan, in the Kamenka region, it seemed, was not on the news. So there is already an Latin inscription on the Door.
          In short, the Majilis will accept as well as the Senate, the issue is resolved.
          I am personally annoyed by the adoption of the new tax code from this session, I follow this more than the alphabet.
          1. Zalym
            Zalym 11 September 2017 18: 13
            +2
            Quote: marshes
            I am personally annoyed by the adoption of the new tax code from this session, I follow this more than the alphabet.


            Of course. New taxes, new fines and go everywhere in formation.

            Have you been to the Expo? I unexpectedly liked it even.
            1. marshes
              marshes 11 September 2017 18: 27
              +1
              Quote: Zalym
              Have you been to the Expo? I unexpectedly liked it even.

              Twice, it’s hard to see the cousins ​​of Ata accepting, so having examined the surroundings we decided to buy a kopeck piece when the hype subsides. Yes, the prices will settle down. Maybe someone from ours at Nazarbayevsky University will study, and then there will be English training. laughing
              1. Semurg
                Semurg 11 September 2017 20: 10
                +1
                Quote: marshes
                Quote: Zalym
                Have you been to the Expo? I unexpectedly liked it even.

                Twice, it’s hard to see the cousins ​​of Ata accepting, so having examined the surroundings we decided to buy a kopeck piece when the hype subsides. Yes, the prices will settle down. Maybe someone from ours at Nazarbayevsky University will study, and then there will be English training. laughing

                I gathered all the grandchildren at the expo and drove them soon, I personally really liked it, the grandchildren are thrilled. The grandmother began to growl that we didn’t live there, to which we answered in the summer and you didn’t see winter to old bones, so I won’t change my native Shym for Astana, although I lived there for 8 years. But Astana’s grandchildren do that.
                1. marshes
                  marshes 11 September 2017 20: 22
                  +1
                  Quote: Semurg
                  I gathered all the grandchildren at the expo and drove them soon, I personally really liked it, the grandchildren are thrilled. The grandmother began to growl that we didn’t live there, to which we answered in the summer and you didn’t see winter to old bones, so I won’t change my native Shym for Astana, although I lived there for 8 years. But Astana’s grandchildren do that.

                  The first were “Americans” for two days and then they rested in their Taraz.
                  And the second, the father of opera lovers, Went to see Placido Domingo, figs knows him steppe laughing For that I liked Astana Opera, it was in all Soviet and two German cities where there are outstanding opera and ballet theaters.
                  The little ones at least saw something, I don’t know if they will remember. Although the photo was filmed.
                  1. Zalym
                    Zalym 11 September 2017 20: 28
                    +1
                    I was at a David Getty concert. But it was not possible to get into Du Soleil, they bought all the tickets a couple of months in advance. Plus, apparently, the local basties left the reservation for themselves.
                    1. marshes
                      marshes 11 September 2017 20: 36
                      0
                      Quote: Zalym
                      .Plus, apparently, the local bastiks left the reservation for themselves.

                      Yes, there is such a thing, for my father and a plane ticket they also provided a ticket to Astana-Opera, there was just a conversation with the right people.
                2. Zalym
                  Zalym 11 September 2017 20: 22
                  0
                  Rumor has it that Turkestan will allegedly become the regional center. Did not hear?
                  1. marshes
                    marshes 11 September 2017 20: 38
                    0
                    Quote: Zalym
                    Rumor has it that Turkestan will allegedly become the regional center. Did not hear?

                    The regional center of what?
                    But in Shym, they want to build a mega tower so that the lights in Uzbekistan can be seen, show off and how beautiful.
                    1. Zalym
                      Zalym 11 September 2017 20: 41
                      +1
                      The capital of SKO.
                      1. Semurg
                        Semurg 11 September 2017 21: 05
                        +1
                        Quote: Zalym
                        The capital of SKO.

                        Hardly . Turkestan is for a year the cultural capital of the Turkic world.
                      2. marshes
                        marshes 11 September 2017 21: 13
                        0
                        Quote: Zalym
                        The capital of SKO.

                        And why, there is enough Shym, so Atins was sent to Akim, although he can be said to be local, like me. laughing I’ll be from Dulat. Taraz is generally the second homeland, although there is no close kin. But there are monuments. laughing
                        Ugh, on the line of the spouse is, Deutsch. laughing
                    2. Semurg
                      Semurg 11 September 2017 21: 10
                      +1
                      The horizon seems 35 km, the Uzbeks are 90 km from us and the kazgurt pass between us.
                      1. marshes
                        marshes 11 September 2017 21: 24
                        +1
                        Quote: Semurg
                        The horizon seems 35 km, the Uzbeks are 90 km from us and the kazgurt pass between us.

                        So I read the comments of the Uzbeks on one site, as the Chinese say, red eyes, stupidly envy of them and the Kyrgyz torn by our "successes." they compared the cities, it’s bad that you don’t have a metro. laughing Although a high-speed tramway can be launched, now money can be spent on Old cities, there are no more international events.
                3. marshes
                  marshes 11 September 2017 20: 29
                  +1
                  Quote: Semurg
                  . But Astana’s grandchildren

                  And I almost forgot one more, ASTANA is a city for young people, even when it will draw severe frosts to study, and spring doesn’t like me .... it pulls me to love, and even today. laughing
                  1. Semurg
                    Semurg 11 September 2017 21: 07
                    +1
                    Spring in Almaty and Astana are different in temperament.
                    1. marshes
                      marshes 11 September 2017 21: 29
                      0
                      Quote: Semurg
                      Spring in Almaty and Astana are different in temperament.

                      So they will study, although it will be possible to rebuild towns in Kokshetau Univer, like Boston, a purely university city.
                      Yes, and children can be weaned from the tit of their parents, like others studying in military schools.
                      There, campuses, and their own security service, as well as youth from different regions, can be reduced.
                      PYSYA, was a couple of weddings, nieces gave out. I understood why they didn’t get married, they will live here and also turn their husbands. laughing laughing laughing
  25. Gamer
    Gamer 11 September 2017 16: 32
    +1
    and Tatarstan is not far behind? http://stockinfocus.ru/2017/09/10/situaciya-s-rus
    skim-yazykom-v-tatarstane-napominaet-banderovskuy
    u-ukrainu /
    1. Ugolek
      Ugolek 11 September 2017 17: 33
      +1
      whom did he betray? lowered the southern clans, raised the northern?


      They shot people? Did they give land to the Chinese? bred poverty? his brother generally got tired ...

      Where do you yourself live? If in the Republic of Kazakhstan, then, at point blank range, you don’t see “exploits”?
      1. Ugolek
        Ugolek 11 September 2017 17: 37
        0
        A miserable population of 18 million, sea resources, and a poor population of 90%, is this not a betrayal?
        I’m on the drum, but Kazakhs are now very disappointed in dad ...
  26. Yuki
    Yuki 11 September 2017 18: 20
    +2
    In Kazakh colloquial speech there are a huge number of Russian words: benzіn (officially - zhaғarmay), semey (otbasy), mother (apa), dad (әke), ә bet (tүskі as) and so on. We cannot write these words in this form: it will look vulgar. And if you write in Latin: benzin, semia, mama, papa, abet then they will all become Kazakh words of Russian origin. And there are thousands of such words! As a result of the transition to the Latin alphabet, the Kazakh language can become closer (paradoxically) to Russian and it will be easier to learn for other citizens of our country.
    1. Zalym
      Zalym 11 September 2017 18: 25
      +2
      .
      Quote: Yuki
      In Kazakh colloquial speech there are a huge number of Russian words: benzіn (officially - zhaғarmay), semey (otbasy), mother (apa), dad (әke), ә bet (tүskі as)



      This is not Kazakh colloquial speech, but Shalakazakh lol
      1. Semurg
        Semurg 11 September 2017 20: 14
        +2
        Quote: Zalym
        .
        Quote: Yuki
        In Kazakh colloquial speech there are a huge number of Russian words: benzіn (officially - zhaғarmay), semey (otbasy), mother (apa), dad (әke), ә bet (tүskі as)



        This is not Kazakh colloquial speech, but Shalakazakh lol

        Moreover, people over the age of 40, youth speaks cleanly, juicy, correctly sometimes I listen to the conversations of my grandchildren and bliss
  27. Kadex
    Kadex 11 September 2017 18: 27
    +3
    Good morning!
    Somehow I read the idea here that VO turns into a yellow press, it seems to me that he was right.
    Let's start with the author himself, twisted the little article, as he understood it, gave it “to the mountain” and into the bushes. There's no one even to say thank you. Presumably, he is so happy for the Kazakhs and our language that he can’t eat.
    That is why this is happening? A person will hear the news in which he is "not in the tooth with his foot", but reasoning about it.
    How often do Russians speak and write Kazakh, which is not convenient for them? The question is rhetorical.
    And in Russian, as they wrote, they will write in Cyrillic.
  28. andrewkor
    andrewkor 11 September 2017 19: 19
    0
    I do not understand the philologists of Kazakhstan, because this is an axiom - the more letters in the alphabet, the richer the language, even though he should ask Galkin by education a philologist!
  29. afrikanez
    afrikanez 11 September 2017 21: 15
    0
    Ә - ae, Ө - oe, Ү - ue, Ң - ng, Ғ - gh, H - ch, W - sh, F - zh.
    Perhaps Kazakhstan will have a lot of these letters. fool
  30. Kerosene Vitamin
    Kerosene Vitamin 11 September 2017 21: 40
    0
    Zalym,
    to you about the Form, and you about Yerema, where are the Kazakhs in Dagestan, what are you talking about? and Kazakhs intend to communicate only among themselves, or how? Well, yes, with the Turks yet, heh. wink
    1. Zalym
      Zalym 11 September 2017 21: 52
      +1
      Quote: Kerosene Vitamin
      to you about the Form, and you about Yerema, where are the Kazakhs in Dagestan, what are you talking about? and Kazakhs intend to communicate only among themselves, or how? Well, yes, with the Turks yet, heh.


      Initially, it was about Kazakhs, then the conversation went about Dagestan, this caused a misunderstanding. I admitted that I was mistaken.

      Quote: Kerosene Vitamin
      Kazakhs intend to communicate only among themselves or how? Well, yes, with the Turks yet, heh.


      And what does this have to do with it? If the Kazakh alphabet remains Cyrillic, then we can communicate with you, and if not, then we can not? We kind of communicate in Russian.
  31. Eaglealex
    Eaglealex 11 September 2017 22: 14
    +4
    Do not look for politics where it does not smell. Everything rests on an elementary cut of the dough: printing of new textbooks, books, maps, road signs, documents and other, other, other. The same scam as the transfer of the capital, the Asiada, the Universiade, the expo, etc.
    1. Stalinistmmsk
      Stalinistmmsk 12 September 2017 03: 59
      0
      Since November 1940, Kazakh writing in the USSR was completely translated into Cyrillic. The Kazakh Cyrillic alphabet, developed by the outstanding linguist S. Amanzholov, consists of 42 letters. Compiled on the basis of the alphabet of the Russian language. Thanks to the efforts of Kazakh linguists, the basics of grammar and spelling were developed. I must admit that the current version of the Kazakh Cyrillic alphabet is very successful. It includes sounds specific to the Kazakh language. Especially the advantages of the Amanzholov alphabet are felt when compared with the Cyrillic alphabets used by other Turkic peoples.

      Nevertheless, I am convinced that the transition of Kazakh writing to Latin script at the current historical stage is fully justified. It is called to raise national self-awareness and give an additional impetus to the development of the Kazakh language, its role in the life of modern Kazakhstan. I also think that in parallel with the Latin alphabet, it is necessary to revive the runic script (unofficial voluntary alternative), as a tribute to the rich historical traditions.
  32. aws4
    aws4 11 September 2017 22: 22
    0
    Zalym,
    you see, you can always come to a common opinion while respecting each other, somewhere to give in somewhere to put yourself in the place of another person and understand and somewhere to put pressure !!!! sorry politicians are not able to understand this ... sometimes it seems to me that the authorities have one miserable people with terrible deviations and complexes ....
  33. Dazdranagon
    Dazdranagon 11 September 2017 22: 32
    0
    Oh-oh, vile Kazakhs, they will now use the Latin alphabet ... sob-sob ... laughing
  34. Music
    Music 11 September 2017 22: 59
    0
    Now it will be easier for them to work on typewriters! No need to change drives if you need to insert English text!
  35. aws4
    aws4 11 September 2017 23: 08
    0
    marshes,
    according to your words, the Kazakhs could not give the offender their teeth until the age of 86 ... did I understand correctly ???
  36. thinker
    thinker 11 September 2017 23: 11
    0
    Bad example contagious

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  37. romandostalo
    romandostalo 12 September 2017 00: 20
    0
    Very reminiscent of the transition of Turkey to the Latin alphabet and the related loss of history ...
  38. Andrey1961
    Andrey1961 12 September 2017 00: 21
    +1
    They cannot write correctly with their alphabet, and if you still need a sound from several Latin letters, form Ә - ae, Ө - oe, Ү - ue, Ң - ng, Ғ - gh, H - ch, W - sh, F - zh. it’s easier to switch to Chinese characters !!!
  39. Evil 55
    Evil 55 12 September 2017 04: 59
    0
    Old Babai plays out with the Russian language .. They have East Kazakhstan and Pavlodar region there, too, do not look very Kazakh ..
  40. odometer
    odometer 12 September 2017 06: 36
    +2
    Much ado about nothing. This is not reflected in Russian, or rather, all Russian-speaking people - Russian was and remains the language of interethnic communication, as most, not only Russians, did not know Kazakh, and will not learn and know. The language policy in Kazakhstan, in relation to all languages, is normal. The language of the state where you live to know is desirable and gradually everything will be decided by itself, if not "smacking fever." You read the comments, you are surprised, it seems, on this site the majority of sensible and reasonable people, but such nonsense is sometimes dragged on.
    1. haenx
      haenx 12 September 2017 16: 30
      0
      I have never seen that in Kazakhstan we were oppressed by language, on the contrary, programmatic Kazakhs more often than not send their children to Russian-speaking kindergartens and schools, try to speak Kazakh at home. Everyone understands that without a technological Russian language there is no prospect in science. After all, we have China at hand, in addition, a vivid example with the Uighurs and Mongols.
  41. Awaz
    Awaz 12 September 2017 06: 38
    0
    The normal alphabet implies, for each sound, the presence of its own letter. Using it to indicate some kind of sound, all sorts of constructions from many letters is not normal. In addition, the Kazakhs who never had a written language before the appearance of the Russians, who gave them this, at least should be grateful, simply be humanly for it. Or, you could at least introduce Arabic script, which was once used on their territory and is also generally not a bad alphabet, unlike the Latin alphabet, which in its pure form is hardly suitable for any language, probably with the exception of Italian))). But, and we should not hysteria like that either, we must treat everything progastically — they create problems for themselves.
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 12 September 2017 11: 10
      0
      Quote: AwaZ
      The normal alphabet implies, for each sound, the presence of its own letter. Using it to indicate some kind of sound, all sorts of constructions from many letters is not normal. In addition, the Kazakhs who never had a written language before the appearance of the Russians, who gave them this, at least should be grateful, simply be humanly for it. Or, you could at least introduce Arabic script, which was once used on their territory and is also generally not a bad alphabet, unlike the Latin alphabet, which in its pure form is hardly suitable for any language, probably with the exception of Italian))). But, and we should not hysteria like that either, we must treat everything progastically — they create problems for themselves.

      You are a qualifier though. Kazakhs never before the Russians had a written language or still used arabica. By the way, Latin is preferable for Russians, because you can still read the text, although you don’t understand, and Arabica or runes would be completely incomprehensible.
  42. gorunov
    gorunov 12 September 2017 07: 07
    0
    You must go directly to Morse code smile
  43. Sige
    Sige 12 September 2017 11: 33
    0
    Europe is not the whole world ...
    ... one thing is obvious: it's time to start building a railway line bypassing Kazakhstan.
    1. CorvusCoraks
      CorvusCoraks 12 September 2017 17: 54
      +1
      Quote: Sige
      ... one thing is obvious: it's time to start building a railway line bypassing Kazakhstan.

      It's high time - such a hemorrhagic with these border crossings, when traveling from Omsk to the Urals ...
  44. Evgeniy76
    Evgeniy76 12 September 2017 14: 09
    0
    What is Russia, China, Thailand! Tell the Germans, French, Spaniards about the dots and dashes! In my opinion, of those who use the Latin alphabet, only the British do not use diacritics.
  45. haenx
    haenx 12 September 2017 16: 20
    +3
    political technology, 100% distract people from internal problems, figs with him with this alphabet, the people have a question why:
    1. Why is the price of oil rising, and the tenge against the dollar is falling.
    2. Why the ruble against the tenge has been growing for the third week and the tenge has been falling.
    3. Why the dollar is falling in Russia, but in Kazakhstan the dollar has already started to grow.
    4. Why in Kazakhstan inflation 12% of salaries do not grow.
    What kind of alphabet (excuse me the forum users already got with their distractions from pressing problems), but let them write hieroglyphs, only let the national bank answer one question why the national bank cannot stop the tenge from falling.
  46. 4el-par
    4el-par 12 September 2017 17: 09
    +1
    "It's hard to look for a black cat in a dark room, especially if she is not there." ©. People, don’t look for tricky moves and strategic planning in the actions of this elite, everything is much simpler: the management system is formed and entrenched (which one already exists) and this system is creative impotent, therefore the overwhelming number of info-reasons was born out of the renaming (as part of the management system whole onomastic department). Since the surviving remnants of industry, settlements and streets have been renamed - how to occupy this conglomerate of attached brothers? or does someone admit seditious thought of sending them to build something? Correctly, the most logical is to change the language (in four years, twenty thousand new words and terms), and even better - writing. Can you imagine what scale this glade will wear to create the appearance of activity?
  47. CorvusCoraks
    CorvusCoraks 12 September 2017 17: 12
    0
    Zalym,
    Well then, the Russians were lucky that the Kazakhs were fairly well-trained. It would not be so, they would repeat the experience of the much more bloody events of the time of the collapse of the union, which took place in many other countries of the CIS and the Caucasus.
  48. Cynic
    Cynic 13 September 2017 10: 04
    0
    residents of Kazakhstan, most of whom are Russian-speaking

    It was and has passed