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Vice Speaker of the Council: The Armed Forces of Ukraine are unconstitutional in the Donbas

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The Deputy Chairman of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine, Oksana Syroid (Syroyed), today made a statement that caused a storm of indignation both in the Rada itself and among other representatives of the Maidan "elites" in Ukraine. The vice-speaker asked the question of what right the Ukrainian armed forces are using on the territory of Ukraine, which Kiev considers Donbass as well. Oksana Syroid reminded that under the current Ukrainian constitution, it is impossible to use the Ukrainian Armed Forces on the territory of Ukraine in the context that is now.

When they tried to argue with the statement that the Armed Forces of Ukraine were waging a “war against the aggressor”, Syroid recalled that de jure Ukraine still had no martial law, and the war itself in all documents passes as an “antiterrorist operation”.

UNIAN cites the statement of Oksana Syroid:
There are no legal, constitutional grounds for the use of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Donbas.


Vice Speaker of the Council: The Armed Forces of Ukraine are unconstitutional in the Donbas


The representative of the Avakovsky "Popular Front" in the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine Yury Bereza demanded an apology from the Vice Speaker of the Rada to the Ukrainian army.
Birch:
You have just witnessed another lie and another manipulation that power uses. The vice speaker allowed herself words that criticize the Ukrainian army for defending Ukraine.


Meanwhile, Syroid in the Verkhovna Rada found supporters who noted that the Rada deputies still only in words call Russia an “aggressor”, but in no way signify at the legislative level “the fact of waging war with Russia”.

From the statement:
Thus, the aggressor has the right to sue our military men in international courts.
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  1. Pirogov
    Pirogov 8 September 2017 18: 14
    +7
    Somehow too late she remembered about it.
    1. Anarchist
      Anarchist 8 September 2017 18: 21
      +25
      Quote: Pirogov
      Somehow too late she remembered about it.

      But I forgot something! Where does he live ...
      Run Oksana! Run ...
      1. Thrall
        Thrall 8 September 2017 18: 40
        +10
        If this happens, then those who are seen soon recognize the existence of the Crimean bridge smile
        1. svp67
          svp67 8 September 2017 19: 40
          +2
          Quote: Thrall
          If this goes well

          2015

          2017
          1. samoletil18
            samoletil18 8 September 2017 20: 20
            +3
            And what? This is normal. All Ukrainian bridge builders on the construction of one bridge. Crimean.
            1. svp67
              svp67 8 September 2017 20: 37
              +3
              Quote: samoletil18
              All Ukrainian bridge builders on the construction of one bridge. Crimean.

              Here is the blessing ... They have been there since 2002 ... Apparently, preparations were already underway for the Crimean spring.
              1. Vladimir16
                Vladimir16 9 September 2017 07: 26
                +2
                Quote: svp67
                And what? This is normal. All Ukrainian bridge builders on the construction of one bridge. Crimean.

                Quote: svp67
                Here is the blessing ... They have been there since 2002 ... Apparently, preparations were already underway for the Crimean spring.

                In our country there will be more unfinished bridges.
                You, comrades described above, are like Ukrainians. One to one. Those construction in the Crimea is omitted in social networks, you recognize construction projects in Ukraine failed.
                Marasmus is mutual.
                1. svp67
                  svp67 9 September 2017 07: 53
                  +2
                  Quote: Vladimir16
                  You are building on Ukraine recognize failed.
                  Marasmus is mutual.

                  Well yours then MARASM and disrespect for a foreign country in general is DIFFICULT TO OVERCOME ...
                  Quote: Vladimir16
                  In our country there will be more unfinished bridges.

                  And let's EXAMPLE ... it is interesting to COMPARE.
      2. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 8 September 2017 23: 54
        0
        Quote: Anarchist
        But I forgot something! Where he lives ... Run Oksana! Run ...

        I didn’t forget, but I "remembered"! On the eve of the upcoming presidential elections of Urkaina, raising the issue that calls into question the activities of the incumbent president, which led to the deaths of thousands of “warriors,” is just that. And this lady is from Avakov’s “kuren”, who is not averse to trying on a Hetman’s hat of all Urkaina. Poroshenko’s people can say anything, but she’s right, and the majority of Ukrinian people know this. So everything is within the framework of the election campaign.
    2. 210ox
      210ox 8 September 2017 18: 22
      +2
      She wanted to say that it was time to declare war on Russia ... Read between the lines.
      Quote: Pirogov
      Somehow too late she remembered about it.
      1. svp67
        svp67 8 September 2017 19: 32
        +4
        Quote: 210ox
        She wanted to say that it was time to declare war on Russia ...

        That’s why they’ll beat her ... and suddenly Russia will come to that war .... what then to do.
      2. weksha50
        weksha50 8 September 2017 19: 48
        +2
        Quote: 210ox
        She wanted to say that it was time to declare war on Russia ...



        Here ... Spit in my direction ... I'm always waiting for this !!!! BUT HOW TO BE AFRAID !!!
        Damn .... Well, I'm so old ... Guys, bring me there, put me in a trench, give the PKK - at least I will die a warrior, and not for z.ss.r..ra..n..ts ... wassat laughing yes

        1. andrewkor
          andrewkor 9 September 2017 06: 33
          0
          Well, you’re just like a Viking, dying to die in bed!
    3. LSA57
      LSA57 8 September 2017 18: 45
      +7
      Quote: Pirogov
      Somehow too late she remembered about it.

      seems to be preparing a retreat
      1. DEPARTMENT
        DEPARTMENT 8 September 2017 18: 50
        +1
        Quote: LSA57
        seems to be preparing a retreat

        Perhaps, but I think here the game is about the introduction of "NATO peacekeepers" ... They are adjusting the legal base for this business .. But in fact, all the power there is illegitimate! .. Feel the reaction .....
        1. samoletil18
          samoletil18 8 September 2017 20: 25
          0
          And she's a quick wit. From across the ocean they will say: peacekeepers in the Donbass, then peacekeepers in the Donbass. And there the Aggressor is dumb.
          Now, get off. The aggressor escaped in stages.
    4. 79807420129
      79807420129 8 September 2017 19: 07
      +8
      Quote: Pirogov
      Somehow too late she remembered about it.

      Andrey, unfortunately just right request
      Meanwhile, Syroid in the Verkhovna Rada found supporters who noted that the Rada deputies still only in words call Russia an “aggressor”, but in no way signify at the legislative level “the fact of waging war with Russia”.

      As far as I recall, a bill on the reintegration of the Donbass has been submitted to your Supreme Durku (Rada) what where at the official level Russia is declared an aggressor, different cockerels are singing. We observe the type and legality of Russia and pile up another bunch. hi
    5. Megatron
      Megatron 8 September 2017 19: 23
      0
      Wow, what a dressing room! I would be her ....
      1. svp67
        svp67 8 September 2017 19: 33
        +3
        Quote: Megatron
        Wow, what a dressing room! I would be her ....

        In communication with women, DO NOT DREAM, but act ...
        1. andrewkor
          andrewkor 9 September 2017 06: 35
          +1
          "He loves to watch!" - x \ f "True lie."
    6. Scoun
      Scoun 8 September 2017 20: 32
      0
      Quote: Pirogov
      Somehow too late she remembered about it.

      Just seeing the time has come and this is voiced .... After all, Yanyk and Azarov said that the army under the constitution has no right to act on its territory against its people ... but the people were deaf and blind and the "shepherd" Turchinov and his Lyashki, Yaytsenyuhi , Avakovs and sisters - zealously helped to wave a carrot, with the words - tse europa.
  2. CAT BAIYUN
    CAT BAIYUN 8 September 2017 18: 15
    +8
    Well, at least some sensible thought visited the heads of those holding power in Ukraine ... Though small, the size of a cockroach ...
  3. vanavatny
    vanavatny 8 September 2017 18: 15
    +3
    Ksyusha, you shouldn’t tie it up so sharply - the heart will become ... but in general it’s fun to hear about the law in this territory
  4. family tree
    family tree 8 September 2017 18: 21
    +2
    Eva, how are they jumping! (Flea, sadly, leaves for the barn and nervously smokes a cigarette NORD, in girlhood
    Damn, the neighbor, a guy with a subfloor, such a tattoo outside the brush, 73 years old man
    quit smoking in the autonomous region, though awl ... what
    Take mnu to autonomy, achoa, I'm a sapper, I can feel not well if
    I swear to obey and obey the orders of the second after God request
    1. weksha50
      weksha50 8 September 2017 19: 55
      0
      Quote: perepilka
      Eva, how to jump!


      Nothing x .... What about yourself .... Well, where did you get the image of the "North" ??? My dad smoked him all his life ...
      And tattoos similar to tassels were among the convicts from Magadan ...
      Hmm ... I, although not a submariner, however, I remember the phrase: "THE FIRST after God "" ... hi
  5. Herculesic
    Herculesic 8 September 2017 18: 25
    +1
    Eat it like a piece of cheese wassat or shut up - forever am
  6. AID.S
    AID.S 8 September 2017 18: 30
    0
    And why was everyone so excited? She is for the use of APU in the Donbass legally, without hiding from the fig leaf of the ATO.
    1. Gray brother
      Gray brother 8 September 2017 19: 58
      0
      Quote: AID.S
      not hiding behind a fig leaf ATO.

      So ATO will not be anymore since no terrorists were found. But they don’t recognize the civil war either, so now it will be either the POA or the POPA ... damn it, I forgot ... And, I found it - the OBU “operation for the defense of Ukraine”, like Donbass attacked them.
      Now Ukrainians will be stubbornly defending themselves from their own people, so that everything will be in accordance with their Bandera legislation.
    2. weksha50
      weksha50 8 September 2017 20: 02
      0
      Quote: AID.S
      And why was everyone so excited? She is for the use of APU in the Donbass legally, without hiding from the fig leaf of the ATO.



      We are here ... We are discussing the legitimacy of the ATO in Ukraine .... Guys, I am not a white-collar worker .... I am a retired staff officer .... Whose sons went through Chechnya-1,2 as conscripts ...
      Are we talking about ???
      But do not you see and hear that the hostilities were transferred from the territory of Chechnya to neighboring territories ????
      Blinnnn. But what - I'm the only one so stupid ?????? And everything around - all so smart ???? Especially LADY and her government ?????
      1. Gray brother
        Gray brother 8 September 2017 20: 07
        +1
        Quote: weksha50
        But do not you see and hear that the hostilities were transferred from the territory of Chechnya to neighboring territories ????

        I do not see the fighting.
        The fighting was carried over in 1999, it was. I’ll refresh your memory if you don’t remember.
  7. XXXIII
    XXXIII 8 September 2017 18: 54
    +1
    There are no legal, constitutional grounds for the use of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Donbas.
    What are you saying! Who must have suggested the words !!! laughing
    Thus, the aggressor has the right to sue our military men in international courts.
    Yes yes yes reparations of the DNI and LC.
    PS reparation has become so fashionable! winked
  8. svp67
    svp67 8 September 2017 19: 29
    +4
    Vice Speaker of the Council: The Armed Forces of Ukraine are unconstitutional in the Donbas
    Already in the title of the article ERROR. Not the presence of the Armed Forces in the Donbass is unconstitutional, but their APPLICATION. And she is RIGHT. But her “heroes” and “patriots” already “shut up” her that she would either give up her words or resign ... Legality and common sense with the concept of “modern Ukraine” are NOT compatible.
    1. DEPARTMENT
      DEPARTMENT 8 September 2017 21: 02
      +3
      Quote: svp67
      Legality and common sense with the concept of "modern Ukraine" are NOT COMPATIBLE.

      That's the whole point of Sergey .. There walk the field, after the Maidan! that's supposedly so everywhere (this butcher’s own, soaked, but how many followers ...)

      And blood in the Donbass shed peaceful ...
      Kiev must be taken, otherwise they will do business there, dancing in front of American soldiers .. (further mat, heavy, Russian ..)
  9. Aleksandr_2
    Aleksandr_2 8 September 2017 19: 35
    0
    see in the last gyrus of the Bandera brain that something is ripening, naturally from the submission of the United States, have they really decided to declare war on the Russian Federation ??
  10. weksha50
    weksha50 8 September 2017 19: 43
    0
    "according to the current Ukrainian constitution, it is impossible to use the APU on the territory of Ukraine in the context that is now"...

    Mdaaaaa ... After reading this - scratched his head. Then he remembered the 1st and 2nd - the Chechen war ....
    Then he presented that to his sons who fought there, I would say that the Chechens are their friends (or vice versa) .....
    You see ... THEY KILLED EACH OTHER .... AND THE MEMORY OF THIS IS UNFIRMABLE ...
  11. weksha50
    weksha50 8 September 2017 20: 03
    0
    "APU present in the Donbass unconstitutionally" ...

    We have enough problems that should be discussed, unlike Moldova ...
  12. Yoshi
    Yoshi 8 September 2017 20: 13
    +2
    This issue has been aggravated more than once since 2014 and has always been ignored. And the fact that he was pulled into the light of God in the Rada is no longer a small achievement ... Another thing is to know whether there was a sanction on this. In the initiatives of the "charged" something is not very much believed. There are no fools there. Anything (vile, arrogant, muddy), but not fools. Everyone understood from the very beginning. Were warned of "trial of the punitive and their accomplices." But they were silent ... Now they are talking about "the Jews are to blame" (Gordon), about "the Armed Forces of Ukraine is not where it should be" (Raw Food Eater). It somehow resembles authorized maneuvers ...
  13. Berkut24
    Berkut24 8 September 2017 20: 48
    +2
    Yes, there, if you dig around, absolutely everything is illegal. Since the formation of present-day Ukraine. It is easier to repeal the Constitution in general, all the same, no one there is no longer steamed either by the Constitution or the laws. The country switched to concepts, machine guns, explosives, and heavy artillery.
  14. weksha50
    weksha50 8 September 2017 21: 08
    0
    Quote: Gray Brother
    в

    The fighting was carried over in 1999, it was.

    Hmm ....
    I tried to show that there is no fighting in the territory of Chechnya itself, but for some reason in the adjacent territories - are they THERE ??? And .... The departure of Ruslan Aushev from the post of President of Ingushetia .... Guys, it's not so simple ....
  15. LeonidL
    LeonidL 9 September 2017 07: 39
    +2
    “Thus, the aggressor has the right to sue our military men in international courts.” - this is the whole trick! Already the point began to vibrate in anticipation of future ships and imprisonment, since there is no death penalty. However, not for civilians, but for war crimes akin to Nazi it can be restored. However, there are military courts with an accelerated process and without debate between the parties.