Syria and Israel have shown interest in the Russian "Terminators"

According to the head of the Main Armored Directorate of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, Alexander Shevchenko, Syria and Israel at the same time showed interest in combat support vehicles tanks (BMPT) type "Terminator".

Earlier, during the Army-2017 forum, the Russian Ministry of Defense signed a contract with UVZ for the supply of a consignment of these cars to the Russian army, before that BMPT was made exclusively for export.

This year, a fundamentally new class machine will be put into service with the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation - a tank support combat vehicle, in which many countries have already shown interest, first of all Israel and Syria,

quotes Shevchenko RIA News.

The Terminator BMPT is armed with two 30-mm 2-42 automatic cannons with a firing range of up to four kilometers and an 850 rounds of ammunition. In addition, the machine is equipped with four supersonic guided missiles of the Ataka-T complex, two 30-mm AG-17D automatic grenade launchers and an 7,62-mm machine gun paired with guns.

The Terminator is also equipped with an all-round ballistic protection against weapons of destruction, highly effective means of detecting targets, and an automated fire control system.

Comments

[Msta]

And when will we arm our army with such equipment ?!

[INVESTOR]

before that BMPT was made exclusively for export

Amekosy are shocked by us ..

[oldseaman1957]

Syria and Israel have shown interest in the Russian "Terminators"

“Well, the Jews understand - they will pay, and Assad what is he counting on?” Or, in fact, I saw - and really wanted to?

[Thrall]

Quote: oldseaman1957

what does Assad count on?

Well, obviously not for you.

[oldseaman1957]

Quote: Thrall

... and what is Assad counting on? ... Well, obviously not for you.

- Rudeness is a deliberate causing trouble with your opinion, which no one asked.

[irazum]

Assad is counting on a loan from the Russian Federation, which will NEVER repay! Well, or for offsetting the rental base.

[Sirocco]

Do you have to pay for renting a garage in the city center, or don't you think so? The bases in the Mediterranean are worth a lot, so you can pay for security, if you do not agree with this, then remove the locks from the apartment’s doors, sell the signal from the car, you need such expenses))))))

[DMoroz]

In fact, both Khmeimim and Tartus were leased by Syria for free. Tatrtus from 2017 to 49 years, Hmeimim from 2015 - indefinitely ...

[Thrall]

Quote: DMoroz

In fact, both Khmeimim and Tartus were leased by Syria for free. Tatrtus from 2017 to 49 years, Hmeimim from 2015 - indefinitely ...

And why Russia? (leading question)

[DMoroz]

And which of the allies - Iran? Does he need it? there is also a fireman in the Gulf of Oman, and we should not forget about the Bosphorus, and the base in Tartus since 1971 ...

[Sirocco]

Quote: DMoroz

In fact, both Khmeimim and Tartus were leased by Syria for free. Tatrtus from 2017 to 49 years, Hmeimim from 2015 - indefinitely ...

This is indefinitely ... and we have to pay, and we pay. I will say it easier and without hidden text, it was, is, and will be. Whoever pays for the girl dances her. something like this))))

[Msta]

These bases are not expensive in the Mediterranean, for two reasons. 1) At any time they may be asked to leave these bases, this is not the territory of the Russian Federation, and Russia will spend money on their improvement, including to the detriment of equipping the bases on its territory. And do not write to me that this is not so, it was exactly like that during the Soviet era, when the bases on the territory of Russia were neither the most modern nor the most equipped, and they had to leave foreign bases and now the GDP is repeating the mistakes of the USSR Politburo, which is not very smart .. .2) The Russian fleet is experiencing an acute shortage of modern large warships and sending a small number of warships to the Mediterranean Sea, in case of conflict, will not be significant, because the US fleet alone has more than 80 destroyers, while the Russian Federation does not have 20 .

[HEATHER]

Offset for the rental base. The bases were handed over to Russia free of charge, along with the condition of their expansion and increase in combat potential.

[vkl.47]

Once again I will repeat with this module this is not a terminator but an electronic. One gun should be paired with 57mm with a thirty. And 8 ATGMs and not 4

[Gray brother]

Quote: vkl.47

One gun should be paired with 57mm with a thirty. And 8 ATGMs and not 4

Ammunition will be less, much. But he needs to fight with the infantry, suppression fire must be kept so that there are no people who want to get out - a lot of shells are needed.
For more serious purposes, there are tanks that this machine accompanies.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Gray Brother

Ammunition will become smaller, much

Looking at what base will be done ... if on the base of Almaty, in the form of Terminator-3, then the BC will be normal ... and for export, Terminator-2 will do well ...

[Tusv]

Quote: NEXUS

Looking at what base will be done ... if on the base of Almaty, in the form of Terminator-3, then the BC will be normal ... and for export, Terminator-2 will do well ...

So far, the Terminator has been unified with the T-90. A ammunition 600 OFS, 600 BS, 600 grenades ...

[Gray brother]

Quote: Tusv

So far, the Terminator has been unified with the T-90. A ammunition 600 OFS, 600 BS,

And by the way, there is one fluff shoots armor-piercing, and the second fragmentation. I can’t imagine what kind of AZ would have to be cut in order to ensure a quick change in the type of ammunition in two DIFFERENT guns.

[ProkletyiPirat]

Quote: Gray Brother

I can’t imagine what kind of AZ would have to be cut in order to ensure a quick change in the type of ammunition in two DIFFERENT guns.

Nothing complicated, the same eggs only in profile, all you need to do is add a buffer selector.

[Gray brother]

Quote: ProkletyiPirat

the same eggs only in profile, just add a buffer selector

57 mm. the shell is big, it’s already something like “Bahce”. Che there is little things, it’s easier to immediately make another ordinary tank, with 125mm. gun)))

[ProkletyiPirat]

Then I agree, Bahcha Forever But there is one small nuance, although there are several of them, but the main one is the destruction of UAVs (platoon-company level), and here, the missiles are too expensive, the armor cannons are too expensive for the battlefield, and he can’t fight at the front. But a quick-firing gun from 50mm and even with a radar for firing correction and even with a controlled detonation can be much more effective. On the other hand, for the sake of UAVs alone, it will be bold to put this gun, and the same can be achieved in a projectile 125-152 if it is made firing, and not fragmentation (throwing fragments forward, not sideways). On the other hand, 57mm (or so) can be made into a hybrid (cannon \ howitzer \ grenade launcher), cram it into the overhead combat module and put on equipment designed for transporting infantry (BTR \ BMP \ BMD).

[Gray brother]

Quote: ProkletyiPirat

(BTR \ BMP \ BMD).

Horseradish of them air defense with such a caliber will turn out, the chassis is too light, swing will return.
Here, in practice, is the standard (for its time, of course).

But 30mm. plus rockets can be put anywhere.

[ProkletyiPirat]

no, this is not a standard, what can be thrown out on the video because there is an MRSI automatic loader that provides the same rate of fire with one barrel. And the fact that the photo does not send to the forefront. And again, neither there nor there is no correction of the shooting, namely it is what is needed.

[andranick]

Quote: vkl.47

One gun should be with 57mm

It’s already not a fighting vehicle. tank support, but quite an independent combat unit comparable to a tank. For purposes that do not take a 30mm gun, there are tanks that work in conjunction with BMPT and Attack.

[Topotun]

Yes, and ATGM on BMP. So it makes no sense, but they correctly said here - switching to 57 mm will greatly reduce the amount of ammunition ....

[Svarog51]

Welcome But at the same time, firepower will increase. Shell consumption will decrease.

[ProkletyiPirat]

at 125 he will have even less

[AVGUST]

I do not agree, it will already be a megamonster, separate food is not a gut at all, and a paired cannon can synchronize, unlike a paired 57mm * 30 mm. ........, and if the ammunition of one unit ends faster, what should I do? It’s better to unify, but to take more ammunition (of the same type) on board than to load all kinds of calibers on it, and to put ZUShka on top, and back, like on a military cart, a slingshot with a ballistic calculator, like shoot whatever you want ... ..... this "crocodile" still has on board the course grenade launchers

[Bronevick]

And tighten 125 mm near, well, for greater certainty, also 152 mm nearby. Well, put a couple of iskanders on the roof. And in the trailer, Yars will carry.

[raf]

Quote: vkl.47

Once again I will repeat with this module this is not a terminator but an electronic. One gun should be paired with 57mm with a thirty. And 8 ATGMs and not 4

And the rays 305mm and stopitsot ATGMs!

[Gray brother]

Quote: Msta

And when will we arm our army with such equipment ?!

Already started.

[Stas157]

Quote: Msta

And when will we arm our army with such equipment ?!

Our army does not need a Terminator, do not order. I would like comments from the military, do we need or do not need a Terminator? And of course I would like to see its military use in Syria. And it advertises it well. A lot of money was spent on development, but it’s not being used.

[Gray brother]

Quote: Stas157

Our army does not need a Terminator, do not order.

For the first time, the Russian army will purchase Terminator tanker fighting vehicles (BMPT) and upgraded BMP-3 with the Epoch combat module, Deputy Defense Minister Yury Borisov said on Thursday during the signing of the treaties.

https://topwar.ru/123357-minoborony-rf-soobschilo
-o-zakupke-bmpt-terminator.html

[Stas157]

Nevertheless, they made an order this year, for 24 billion rubles. Haven't seen this news before.

[mac789]

Situation: the tank moves along with the infantry squad, they say so, cover each other. A Tou or RPG flies into the tank, dynamic protection is triggered. Question: how many foot soldiers will suffer when the DZ is triggered? I think that if BMPT goes in tandem with the tank, infantry losses from their own DZ and even from enemy fire will be much less. Plus a significant increase in speed.

[BAI]

And when will we arm our army with such equipment ?!

Deliveries are planned in 2019.
The most interesting thing is that the car was more than 10 years old, the Ministry of Defense rejected it at first, the developers worked on the same enthusiasm, and only Syria put everything in its place.

[Lopatov]

Quote: BAI

and only Syria put everything in its place.

?
Rather, the "effective" from the leadership of UVZ did the same to finish off the Ministry of Defense. Now they will receive income from deliveries to the troops of an unnecessary machine. And Mr. Shevchenko will be forced to justify the purchase of unnecessary tales of "Israeli interest"

And Syria showed that they continue to expel almost defenseless 2C1 Gvozdika on a direct fire. Apparently, the Syrians are not aware that a 30-mm gun is much better than a 122-mm howitzer.

[vladimirvn]

Krasava! Reminds a transformer from fantastic cartoons.

[novel66]

Nah!
that's what reminds!

[Gray brother]

Quote: novel xnumx

that's what reminds!

In the 1st part of "Terminator" there was such a thing:

[Vitas]

Russian Deputy Prime Minister for Defense Industry Dmitry Rogozin was surprised at the late interest of Syria and Israel in the Russian Terminator combat vehicles, emphasizing the uniqueness of this type of armored vehicles.

We are also surprised that the Russian Ministry of Defense showed a late interest in these machines, ordering them only in 2017 ... as they say 10 years is not a deadline ...

[Aaron Zawi]

Syria is quite possible. About Israel, these are unequivocal tales. Firstly, our army logistics has so long sought to unify the transmissions and platforms of tracked vehicles that there can be no talk of any purchase of another tracked model for our army. And I don’t see a place for “Terminator” in our army. We still have debates or to put a tower with a gun on the "Namer", and the "Terminator" has nowhere to write.

[bouncyhunter]

Aron, good day! So this is what happens: Shevchenko is brazenly lying for advertising purposes? Or do your specialists in armored vehicles still want to order the Terminator partake for study?

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: bouncyhunter

Aron, good day! So this is what happens: Shevchenko is brazenly lying for advertising purposes? Or do your specialists in armored vehicles still want to order the Terminator partake for study?

Well, for study it is always interesting to get other people's samples, but I doubt that someone will sell a small batch, but we simply have nothing to do with a large one.

[bouncyhunter]

It is common practice to study. Why not study what your army may face in the event of a possible (probable) clash in Syria? In this regard, mattresses always count on trophies. But the Israelis will be more cunning.

[BARHAN]

They will conquer the Syrians))

[Lex.]

Why not a chassis, maybe on a merkava this device was tested in Syria and Israel knows about the results

[newcomer]

Pasha, with a cheerful morning! Pasha, so they have trophy 72s idle in the museum. here you have the unification, the museum will be donors of the “Terminators". so the question is not so straightforward.

[bouncyhunter]

Hello to you, Garik! Read my koment a little higher.
Didn’t look at mail?

[newcomer]

just a minute, I’ll take a look right now.

[newcomer]

Pasha, this bastard is badly buggy, you have to wait.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: newbie

Pasha, with a cheerful morning! Pasha, so they have trophy 72s idle in the museum. here you have the unification, the museum will be donors of the “Terminators". so the question is not so straightforward.

We do not have trophy 72ek. The museum has one of the samples bought in Eastern Europe. The only clash with the T-72 recorded in the military history of the IDF was on the last day of the First Lebanon War, when the tank battalion of the Republican Guard division was ambushed by an anti-tank company of the landing brigade. Then the Syrians irrevocably lost two cars and six more were damaged and evacuated by the Syrians after the ceasefire.

[newcomer]

wait, but after all, when there was an epic with the return of the Amer’s tank to you, I watched the program on TV where your former military man (was somehow a hill), said that you had a museum of Soviet tanks, from T55 to T80. separately mentioned several T72, both captured and picked up on the battlefield and repaired.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: newbie

wait, but after all, when there was an epic with the return of the Amer’s tank to you, I watched the program on TV where your former military man (was somehow a hill), said that you had a museum of Soviet tanks, from T55 to T80. separately mentioned several T72, both captured and picked up on the battlefield and repaired.

We have no T-80 at all. And the T-72 is because they fought a bit with him, but he wasn’t from the trophy ones, but from those acquired in Eastern Europe.

[voyaka uh]

The ambush was specifically on the T-72. To capture the tank. There is debate about whether they managed to drag one off and then transport it to the States. Or just took a picture, measured armor, etc.

[Meliodous]

Well, everything is clear with thermoses: even ours themselves don’t know where to write them.
What is wrong with Namer? It seems that the tower is already ready, and the prototypes, too, what is everyone arguing there?

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Meliodous

Well, everything is clear with thermoses: even ours themselves don’t know where to write them.
What is wrong with Namer? It seems that the tower is already ready, and the prototypes, too, what is everyone arguing there?

It is necessary to significantly change the infantry training system. Our infantry never worked with a BMP, and the "Namer" with a tower is TBMP. So there are enough opponents.

[Per se.]

Well, you can buy at least for study. The rest, to your words about the "Intention", it does not matter what they put on it, it is important that the car retains the status of an APC, and does not become an IFV. In my humble opinion, to a heavy armored personnel carrier (transport function), BMPT (specialized fire support) is needed, in the complex this tandem (BTR + BMPT) will be a "heavy armored personnel carrier", surpassing it in its specialization in all respects. In general, a heavy BMP is stupid when the whole essence of the concept of this universal machine is lost, and in terms of functionality in specialization it will be a flawed APC and a flawed BMPT. The only exception is the Merkava tank itself, capable of taking paratroopers, that is, in a sense, it can be a heavy infantry fighting vehicle. For Israel, with your troubles, the BMPT, as a new type of equipment, for supporting tanks and replacing infantry assault groups (where this is promising), is probably also a relevant solution. You can make your BMPT on the basis of Merkava, get a triplex platform, tank, heavy armored personnel carrier, BMPT.

[BAI]

About Israel, these are unambiguous tales

The machine itself is most likely not needed. But anti-tank missiles may be of interest: both for their intended use and for the development of means of protection against them.

[Tusv]

Quote: Aaron Zawi

And I don’t see a place for “Terminator” in our army. We still have debates or to put a tower with a gun on the "Namer", and the "Terminator" has nowhere to write.

Well, five Jews in one car is not kosher.
You don’t see, yet I see . There all the weapons are remote: Missiles, Guns, Machine guns, Granotomet. Yes, and solid weapons for air purposes. Can a literate Jew not add a remote control for controlling this device?

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Tusv

Well, five Jews in one car is not kosher.

So, it’s not the fact that five, maybe three .. It is not known which option was of interest.

[kasatky]

"The interest in which has already been shown by many countries, primarily Israel and Syria"
Is Israel and Syria the most influential and solvent of the many countries mentioned?
That’s how journalists and various “representatives” give information that they can even turn good news into dubious? Maybe enough to inflate elephants and write as is?

[newcomer]

Well, if Israel showed interest, it means a luxury car. (here TVK always, do not value our own, until someone else’s uncle appreciates).

[voyaka uh]

This is according to Shevchenko. He bluffs without blinking an eye.

[AKsvlad047]

I think that this weapons complex will harmoniously complement tank battalions and divisions, giving them a new look and opportunity! Good and necessary car!

[vkl.47]

Quote: Msta

And when will we arm our army with such equipment ?!

Ude signed a supply contract. You overslept

[Alexey-74]

Good topic, Israel knows good technique. But first, everything is needed in our Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.

[5:0]

This is nothing more than Shevchenko’s fantasies. In the IDF logistics, he is absolutely not needed. And you can only give Syria (give an irrevocable loan).

[dvvv]

I think Russia will take a good step if it gives Assad 10 such Terminators, all the more so since there is nothing unique there and the chassis from storage can always be taken and changed the tower. If the car is successful, then 10pcs will pay off and you can write off advertising costs). Israel doesn’t need it, because they themselves blind what they find interesting, if only to study the conceptual direction then 2-3 pieces

[5:0]

Well, if there is a lot of money, let them give it. True, it is not very clear how they will pay off.

[XXXIII]

And Syria can only be donated (give an irrevocable loan).

Do you think that in Syria there is no money, but no dollars, but there is gold, diamonds!

[5:0]

Where do they come from?

[XXXIII]

In your opinion, they can’t pay for anything at all? How low is that !!!

[5:0]

Today Assad is poor as a church. mouse.

[XXXIII]

By the way, is there no Israel on this list, does it have no gold at all?

[irazum]

Yes, there is enough junk in personal use of the Asad family! Plus accounts in some Switzerland. Like Hussein or Arafat.

[XXXIII]

Well, yes, I did not see that the United States executed poor dictators!

[Tusv]

Quote: 5: 0

In the IDF logistics, it is absolutely not needed

Both on. You have to go nuts what percentage of foreign equipment and accessories and somehow fit into the logistics. And here only the Syrian express will give a small hook

[MadCat]

Quote: Tusv

Both on. You have to go nuts what percentage of foreign equipment and accessories and somehow fit into the logistics. And here only the Syrian express will give a small hook laughing

"alien" equipment also happens to be different, the one that is already fully studied and provided with repair crews, and this terminator is like tailing a mare.

[Tusv]

Quote: MadCat

and this terminator is like a mare’s tail.

So then T is for all so far "not sew." New technology - new tactics. But seriously. What seems to me that to fight in Syria was not a spontaneous decision. It hurts a lot of armored vehicles with new performance characteristics showed at the 2015 parade
But the Syrians are coping, otherwise all our fighters would have experienced all this new

[Swed]

Showing interest and buying are two completely different concepts.

[Utlan]

Do not sell to Israel!

[XXXIII]

Why can I sell, disassembled current, let them try to assemble it back!

[Paranoid50]

Quote: XXXIII

let them try to collect back!

So, again Merkava will turn out ... "fifth".

[forcecom]

I am also very surprised that in the news Israel flashed, in the presence of its very, very sensible engineering and scientific potential, making their analogue (if suddenly needed) on their platform and weapons should not be a problem for them.

[5:0]

Yes, no one was going to buy here. He simply is absolutely not needed in the structure of the IDF. Mr. Shevchenko’s fantasies, no more.

[_Ugene_]

Even if these machines were of interest to the IDF, the pope will still not allow Russia to buy anything, and without his permission you cannot even pick it up.

[MadCat]

Quote: _Ugene_

Even if these machines were of interest to the IDF, the pope will still not allow Russia to buy anything, and without his permission you cannot even pick it up.

think for yourself why buy it if you have enough of your junk, Israel built rocket tanks under the reign of peas ...
https://topwar.ru/90298-izrailskiy-raketnyy-tank-
pereh.html

[_Ugene_]

Yes, I don’t argue with that. I say that without the permission of the United States you cannot buy anything from Russia, even if something is needed. And they will never allow you to do this, so from which side do not look - the news is fake.

[AVGUST]

Quote: Gray Brother

Quote: vkl.47

One gun should be paired with 57mm with a thirty. And 8 ATGMs and not 4

Ammunition will be less, much. But he needs to fight with the infantry, suppression fire must be kept so that there are no people who want to get out - a lot of shells are needed.
For more serious purposes, there are tanks that this machine accompanies.

I fully support it, this is not a tank, but a machine of their (tanks) support, in order to create a greater density of fire per square meter. meter of cultivated area

[Altona]

Quote: irazum

Assad is counting on a loan from the Russian Federation, which will NEVER repay! Well, or for offsetting the rental base.

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Rent a base indefinitely and for free, like for now. And Assad may well pay. Oil fields we beat him for free chtoli? And economic recovery after the war is also possible with the participation of our firms, if there are preferences for business. Iran has already agreed on such preferences with Assad; for some reason, Lavrov is still crushing boobs.

[JonnyT]

Israel has developed its defense industry, if they want to make an analogue of their own. Israeli specialists are primarily interested in the concept and tactics of using this technique. How to apply it in urban battles. Now they are faced with the question of whether they can find a niche for the terminator in their armed forces.
I remember our Defense Ministry, too, was tormented by the question - why is it needed. The car is good, no doubt. but only against irregular formations or armies of the countries of the 3 world.

Jews will improve it - robotic, make it completely unmanned - an excellent technique for protecting the border from the penetration of light infantry

[Lopatov]

Quote: JonnyT

Israel has developed its defense industry, if they want to make an analogue of their own.

Not an analog, but a car much better

[Michael newage]

And how will it be better? Dry kosher rations included?

[Lopatov]

First of all, "Spikes." Further, the presence of a working KAZ. Further, the ability to install a normal gun (s) with normal shells

[Michael newage]

When they do all this, we will already build the BMPT on the platform of the armata and both KAZ and ATGM will be there no worse than Spike and the "normal" guns. Although I do not understand why you did not please 2 thirty graph paper.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Michael Newage

When they do all this, we will already build BMPT

They already have it. And the normal anti-tank system, by the way, has recently been modernized, and the working KAZ, which has been tested in combat conditions, and the opportunity right now to get normal 30-mm or 40-mm guns.
But we have nothing listed.

[Michael newage]

KAZ is on the armature. Yes, and the arena system. ATGM is not difficult to do. There is a backlog. Our guns are 30 mm worse than Jewish? No, I'm not seriously in the know. In the meantime, they have BMPTs on the chassis 72 and 90. And they? On any.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Michael Newage

KAZ is on the armature.

It is not mass-produced; it was not tested in combat conditions. Like the Arena

Quote: Michael Newage

ATGM is not difficult to do.

The stump is clear. However. and laughter and sin. but even the Serbs overtook us in this area. Not to mention the Chinese ...

Quote: Michael Newage

Our guns are 30 mm worse than Jewish?

Jews do not rivet small-caliber. However, they can easily get them from Europeans or Americans. And we have a big lag in this area, especially ammunition.

So the fact is clear that the "Terminator" to the Israelis as a dog needs a fifth leg

[Michael newage]

Well, this does not mean that it does not work. If not produced right? The arena was tested and it was ready. They did not accept because of the time and the fact that she left a gap in the upper hemisphere (as far as I heard). Now KAZ is being tested on armature. I think it will work, no? And what is bad about our 30 mm, unlike the western ones, I did not understand. What do their ammunition give? Is there 2 times more penetration?

[Lopatov]

Quote: Michael Newage

And what is bad about our 30 mm, unlike the western ones, I did not understand. What do their ammunition give? Is there 2 times more penetration?

You will laugh, but yes.
The Swedes for the Finnish BMP-2 made an armor-piercing projectile with armor penetration twice the standard.

[Michael newage]

If they did it on our gun, I don’t think there is any know-how. It’s just 4 times more expensive.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Michael Newage

It’s just 4 times more expensive.

More expensive than tank BOPS or ATGM, which will have to be applied?

[Michael newage]

Well, one is not enough for the norm. Etozh pukalka 30 mm. There, due to the queue, all the profit.

[AVGUST]

Quote: Bronevick

And tighten 125 mm near, well, for greater certainty, also 152 mm nearby. Well, put a couple of iskanders on the roof. And in the trailer, Yars will carry.

Yes, and under the bottom there is a container with anti-tank mines, a deep bed, plus a launch pad for drones - drones, stick an electronic warfare system and radar on the roof, though you still have to put an atomic rector in place to make it spin and work .....

[Thunderbolt]

interest in which has already been shown by many countries, primarily Israel and Syria

The Syrians do not have money, but now they need any armored vehicles, and the newest "Terminator" will be even more happy to accept. Everything is clear.
And in Israel it is not clear how he showed interest. They have their own military-industrial complex, and in cooperation with the American they can produce machines with similar characteristics (if such a need arises from IDF). Besides, Israel did not buy from us before, but what happened now? Maybe the Israeli military attache looked into the barrel on the observation deck and asked how much it costs, I suspect that this is all the interest on their part. This deal will look very unusual if their brigades begin to equip Russian armored vehicles))).
Instead of the “T,” it would be better to create a well-protected 152 mm assault gun to demolish the enemy at once during the battles in the city.

[Tusv]

Quote: Thunderbolt

Instead of the “T,” it would be better to create a well-protected 152 mm assault gun to demolish the enemy at once during the battles in the city.

Assault gun 152 in battles in the city? Bam and no building. Whether figs are trifling then. Only this tool will need special devices for self-digging. Fill nafig

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: Tusv

Fill nafig

It will not fail, direct fire is not here, “point blank”, but with a safe distance calculation.

As stated in the report on the artillery operations of the 1st Belorussian Front, “in the battles for the Poznan fortress and in the Berlin operation, both during the operation itself and especially in the battles for the city of Berlin, artillery of great and special power was crucial”. In total, during the assault on the German capital, 38 high-power guns were put up for direct fire, that is, 203-mm B-4 howitzers of the 1931 model. These powerful crawler-mounted guns often appear in the newsreel dedicated to the battles for the German capital. B-4 calculations acted boldly, even boldly. For example, one of the guns was installed at the intersection of Lieden-Strasse and Ritter-Strasse. 100-150 m from the enemy. Six shells fired enough to destroy a house prepared for defense. Completing the gun, the battery commander destroyed three more stone buildings.
In Berlin, there was only one structure that withstood the B-4 strike - it was the Flakturm am Zoo anti-aircraft defense tower, also known as Flakturm I.https: //www.popmech.ru/weapon/10273-tekhnika-v-
boyakh-za-berlin-shturm-berlina /

Howitzer B-4, attached to the 1st Infantry Battalion of the 756th Infantry Regiment of the 150th Infantry Division of the 79th Infantry Corps of the 3rd Attack Army of the 1st Belorussian Front, during the Berlin offensive operation.

[Tusv]

Quote: Thunderbolt

It will not fail, direct fire is not here, “point blank”, but with a safe distance calculation.

So with such calibers and so tinkered from a safe distance. Msta up to 45 km, Coalition up to 70. RZSO can continue to sweep away everything. Immediately urban battle. Light the OFS and grenades with machine guns
And from the Terminator of the robot to do how to reset two bits

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: Tusv

So with such calibers and so tinkered from a safe distance. Msta up to 45 km, Coalition up to 70. RZSO can continue to sweep away everything. Immediately urban battle. Light the OFS and grenades with machine guns

The fact of the matter is that the assault gun will be able to very quickly support the advancing groups, and the heavy artillery from positions outside the city will still think --- to shoot or can be hurt in its own way due to the inevitable dispersal of shells in such cases.
And the work for the “Terminator” can be easily performed by the DBM on the tower, insuring the second tank and attached infantry on its armored vehicles. Why make a discord in this harmonious choir?

[Tusv]

Quote: Thunderbolt

Why make a discord in this slender choir?

Well, if we talk about the choir, then an extra voice with an unusual timbre will not hurt

[Thunderbolt]

It’s true that there isn’t much fire support, but our military budget is not rubber and the money invested in this machine could be spent more rationally:
-improve the modernization of our large T-72 fleet.
-develop and put into the troops support vehicles on the basis of the tank for a more effective REP of the entire complex of modern and promising means of destruction of armored vehicles and military vehicles directly on the battlefield.

[Tusv]

Quote: Thunderbolt

money invested in this machine could be spent more rationally:

Which is more expensive. This T or Ka 52? Both columns of jihad mobiles alone can crumble into cabbage. Where is the rationality of using funds?
As you rightly noted, the whole point is in a sung collective called the Chorus. Do you need losses? no. Extra money to cause a spinner when there is T it makes no sense

[Lopatov]

Quote: Tusv

Immediately urban battle. Start up OFS

It is very difficult to work with artillery with PDO in the city. Jet artillery is completely impossible. Only managed, or terrorize populations

[dep071]

In the city and the BMP is useless, trunks on all windows are not enough.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Thunderbolt

Instead of the “T,” it would be better to create a well-protected 152 mm assault gun to demolish the enemy at once during the battles in the city.

Too much.
120/122 is enough for the eyes
It, in fact, already exists, "Vienna" is called. Strengthen protection, put KAZ. And that’s it.

[dep071]

I want to add, it would be better instead of the “T” to equip the army of the Russian Federation T-90S and accordingly the crews trained, since the armor is quickly exhausted.

[padded jacket]

Syria can be delivered, but not in any way to Israel, firstly they will copy it and secondly the next day our "Terminator" will be studied in detail by the sponsors of the Tel Aviv regime from the USA.

[Radikal]

According to the chief of the Main Automobile and Armored Directorate of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, Alexander Shevchenko, Syria and Israel simultaneously showed an interest in Terminator-type tank support fighting vehicles.

Yes, it will be interesting if the Terminators sell at the same time to their eternal opponents - cynically and immorally! However, when it stopped "our" and also "their" capitalists!

[Hell_bells]