Anti-tank gun Degtyarev in Syria

The fighters of the Syrian government army actively apply weaponwith the help of which Soviet soldiers destroyed the fascist Tanks near Moscow, we are talking about Degtyarev anti-tank rifles (PTRD), reports Messenger of Mordovia.

Despite the venerable age, it is possible to hit light vehicles with these weapons, such as BMP and BTR. So, the armor-piercing incendiary bullets of the 14,5 mm caliber PTRD are capable of penetrating 300-mm armor at a distance of 30 m, and 100 mm from 40 meters.

“With skillful use from such a gun can get and tanks. For example, it is quite capable of disabling sights and other optical devices of heavy tracked combat vehicles. By the way, previously Donbas militiamen successfully did this, ”writes the author Roman Katkov.

Guns Degtyarev can be useful for the destruction of enemy machine-gun points. The firing range of the ATGM reaches 1 km, the firing rate is up to 10 rounds per minute.

According to the author, the use of anti-tank guns in the Donbass and Syria testifies to the genius of domestic designers who create weapons that are practically not obsolete and are capable of destroying enemies many decades after they were put into service.

Comments

[Smoked]

A sniper complex of this caliber is an expensive and complicated thing. This is not genius, but stocks in warehouses, spending only on delivery.
People have long been asking for a hunting option by the way. After the already available on sale carbines Maxim and DP.

[Damir]

Russian nitro express ??? only because with such a barrel length even an elephant has brains through .... well, you understand ... they will fly ..... and the maxim carbine ... yes ... this thing ....

[Smoked]

You can make a "Lancaster", it has recently been certified.

[Shurik70]

Quote: Smoked

People have long been asking for a hunting option by the way.

If only in the hunt for a bipedal target.
What for do you need a "hunting" gun with a weight greater than that of an arquebus and capable of breaking through a bear?

[Damir]

yes, at least here:

and the weight is like that of a heavy machine gun and .... but I don’t know what will happen if I load a sort of bullet .... do not offer buckshot ...

[Shurik70]

You still remember this

[jjj]

These are "ducklings" charged with a fraction. One shot can hit a flock. Invented in order to facilitate the process of obtaining large quantities of game. Really worked

[MoJloT]

They worked so real that they had to be banned.

[nikolaev]

after the shot, the Englishman must be looked for somewhere in France

[Grandfather]

Anti-tank gun Degtyarev in Syria

-This Stuck, for a long time! that’s what the people (ours) can oppose to multimillion-dollar armaments - a huge (with Faust in comparison) gun and with a tungsten bullet core. Ingenious! gave time to create a more serious weapon, and played a role in the Second World War.

[Evgenii Xolod]

No bear will just be unpleasant to eat. Jelly.

[mark1]

Quote: Smoked

A sniper complex of this caliber is expensive and complex.

Quote: Smoked

People have long been asking for a hunting option by the way

Well, yes, from a kilometer from an armor-piercing machine to a squirrel in the eye - you don’t even need to gut it, only one skin remains.

[Cadet]

Near Tyumen there was a warehouse where WWII weapons were stored, ours and trophy, starting from a mosquito ending with MG and MP, so melted everything ((((the hunters had so many tears.

[irazum]

Serious hunters, therefore, cannot have tears! Unless only for sniper modifications. And with mass products of military small arms there is nothing to do in a serious hunt. In Izhevsk, in the mid-90s, they somehow lifted us from warehouses and started selling KOs (hunting carbines) from the hunting stores of the war years, since this weapon was not popular. This may all be interesting for collectors.

[vladimirw]

Soviet technology is the best in the world

[Petr1]

In Syria, spears and bows are all good, including a lot of things.))))

[seregatara1969]

a good archer does up to 20 rounds per minute without noise and dust! Olympic archery champions respond to the call of Syria!

[Paranoid50]

Quote: seregatara1969

Olympic archery champions respond to the call of Syria!

By the way, except for jokes, not bows, but crossbows can quite use the same MTRs. Back in the 80s, an article on training with crossbeds of mattress and British special forces came across in the Foreign Military Review. As an option.

[aleks26]

Quote: Petr1

In Syria, spears and bows are all good, including

Especially if the elves.

[aszzz888]

the use of anti-tank rifles in the Donbass and Syria indicates the genius of domestic weapons designers

... the true truth ... such a designer is a storehouse of technical thought and its embodiment into a weapon ...

[Cutter]

Quote: aszzz888

the use of anti-tank rifles in the Donbass and Syria indicates the genius of domestic weapons designers

... the true truth ... such a designer is a storehouse of technical thought and its embodiment into a weapon ...

The true truth! In general, it’s nice that after so many years the machine continues to work. No wonder they say: everything ingenious is simple!

[aszzz888]

In general, it’s nice that after so many years the machine continues to work. No wonder they say: everything ingenious is simple! good

... ... and it seems to me it will serve faithfully and for a long time (faith and truth in its technical characteristics)

[DM51]

It seems to me that it makes sense to make a modern version of a rifle with a caliber of 14.5 mm., In addition to the power of ammunition, for such a large caliber, it is possible, after some time, to create a controlled bullet, which all the major armies of the world now dream of

[Maz]

Better under 30mm, for BMP guns

[DM51]

Quote: Maz

Better under 30mm, for BMP guns

How will you carry it?
SP-30. Weight 60 kg

[DimerVladimer]

Quote: DM51

It seems to me that it makes sense to make a modern version of the rifle caliber 14.5 mm., In addition to the power of ammunition

And who will drag this heavy fool through the forests / mountains?

[padded jacket]

Quote: DimerVladimer

And who will drag this heavy fool through the forests / mountains?

In Iran, in such a caliber they release a 14.5X114 Shaher sniper rifle "calculation" two people and carry nothing.

[DimerVladimer]

Quote: DM51

It seems to me that it makes sense to make a modern version of the rifle caliber 14.5 mm.

Before writing frankly illiterate things, take an interest in advanced developments in sniping - 10 mm caliber bullets are more effective than .50 caliber



The system of long-range sniper weapons CheyTac LRRS (Long Range Rifle System) was specially designed to defeat enemy manpower [1].

At the same time, the main task was to create a weapon superior in accuracy at long ranges to the .50 BMG caliber system. For this, under the leadership of Dr. John Taylor (USA), a .408 CheyTac cartridge (nominal caliber 10 mm) was developed.
The new cartridge is intermediate in size and weight between the powerful .50 BMG machine gun cartridge and the popular .338 Lapua Magnum long-range sniper cartridge. Thanks to the special shape and construction of the bullet, it has a very large ballistic coefficient and maintains supersonic speed at a range of over 2000 meters. At the same time, at ranges of more than 700 meters, the energy of a .408 caliber bullet is higher than the energy of a .50 BMG bullet at the same range despite the fact that the .408 cartridge is 30% lighter and creates less impact. According to CheyTac Associates, a manufacturer of .408 cartridges and weapons for them, the CheyTac LRRS system consisting of a CheyTac Intervention M200 rifle with a Nightforce NXS 5.5-22X optical sight, .408 CheyTac cartridges, a proprietary ballistic computer (based on the PDA Casio Cassiopea M70) and The Kestrel 4000 wind, temperature, and atmospheric pressure sensors connected to it provide effective firing at a growth target at a range of 2000 meters, guaranteeing accuracy above 1 arc minute (1 MOA).

[DimerVladimer]

Quote: DimerVladimer

The new cartridge is intermediate in size and weight between the powerful .50 BMG machine gun cartridge and the popular .338 Lapua Magnum long-range sniper cartridge. Thanks to the special shape and construction of the bullet, it has a very large ballistic coefficient and maintains supersonic speed at a range of over 2000 meters. At the same time, at ranges of more than 700 meters, the energy of a .408 caliber bullet is higher than the energy of a .50 BMG bullet at the same range despite the fact that the .408 cartridge is 30% lighter and creates less impact.

Here from this set - it is the 408 CheyTac that is most effective, and not a larger caliber, as it may seem.

[DM51]

Quote: DimerVladimer

Quote: DM51

It seems to me that it makes sense to make a modern version of the rifle caliber 14.5 mm.

Before writing frankly illiterate things, take an interest in advanced developments in sniping - 10 mm caliber bullets are more effective than .50 caliber



The system of long-range sniper weapons CheyTac LRRS (Long Range Rifle System) was specially designed to defeat enemy manpower [1].

At the same time, the main task was to create a weapon superior in accuracy at long ranges to the .50 BMG caliber system. For this, under the leadership of Dr. John Taylor (USA), a .408 CheyTac cartridge (nominal caliber 10 mm) was developed.
The new cartridge is intermediate in size and weight between the powerful .50 BMG machine gun cartridge and the popular .338 Lapua Magnum long-range sniper cartridge. Thanks to the special shape and construction of the bullet, it has a very large ballistic coefficient and maintains supersonic speed at a range of over 2000 meters. At the same time, at ranges of more than 700 meters, the energy of a .408 caliber bullet is higher than the energy of a .50 BMG bullet at the same range despite the fact that the .408 cartridge is 30% lighter and creates less impact. According to CheyTac Associates, a manufacturer of .408 cartridges and weapons for them, the CheyTac LRRS system consisting of a CheyTac Intervention M200 rifle with a Nightforce NXS 5.5-22X optical sight, .408 CheyTac cartridges, a proprietary ballistic computer (based on the PDA Casio Cassiopea M70) and The Kestrel 4000 wind, temperature, and atmospheric pressure sensors connected to it provide effective firing at a growth target at a range of 2000 meters, guaranteeing accuracy above 1 arc minute (1 MOA).

Sofa experts amuse me. First, you know that 50 BMG is weaker than our 12,7 - guess why? Secondly, do you know how much, for example, the 338 Lapua Magnum cartridge costs, not to mention the 408 Cheyenne Tactica? Thirdly, where are the 408s produced and where do we get them? Fourth, do you seriously think that if a bullet hits, 14,5 * 114 damage will be less than from 408? Fifth, you know the nomenclature of BP cartridges of caliber 14.5 and how to squeeze all this into the 408th? And sixth, did you read my post? I wrote about guided bullets, which the USA and Israel are actively engaged in, probably in a large caliber it is much easier to implement this

[DimerVladimer]

Quote: DM51

First, you know that 50 BMG is weaker than our 12,7 - guess why?

And what did the sniper 12.7 (like a 12,7 mm sniper cartridge index 7H34) begin to do with us, the quality is better .50? :))

408 CheyTac is purchased for the needs of special forces of the Russian Federation - if you are not in the know.
And the mention of the 408 CheyTac was made in order not to block the 14.5 mm complex, which would be as bad as the OSV-96. Due to the lack of a normal sniper cartridge.
Whereas CheyTac is proving perfectly that in the 10 mm caliber you can get an effective, compact weapon - and it makes sense to do it.

Quote: DM51

Secondly, do you know how much, for example, the 338 Lapua Magnum cartridge costs, not to mention the 408 Cheyenne Tactica?

These cartridges are purchased now for law enforcement agencies.
I propose to engage in the development of their own sniper ammunition in 10 mm caliber.

Quote: DM51

Fourth, do you seriously think that if a bullet hits, 14,5 * 114 damage will be less than from 408?

It depends on the target - for hitting a soft target, 7,62 is more than enough. I know for sure that a rifle in 10 mm caliber will be twice as light as a rifle in 14.5 mm caliber. And to defeat the "soft target" 14,5 mm is excessive.
And the Iranians are not so much sniping kirithey to be guided by their crafts :)
I would definitely prefer a 6 kg rifle than to carry 13-15 kg

Quote: DM51

Fifth, you know the nomenclature of BP cartridges of caliber 14.5 and how to squeeze all this into the 408th?

One thing is enough for me, but it’s more accurate than having incendiary and armor-piercing - but which, due to its bad quality, does not give accuracy.

Quote: DM51

And sixth, did you read my post? I wrote about guided bullets, which the USA and Israel are actively engaged in, probably in a large caliber it is much easier to implement this

Of course I read - they have been engaged in guided bullets for 20 years and there is no serious result, but ballistic computers, high-quality optics and precision-grade ammunition - on high-quality gunpowders - have a greater impact on accuracy.

The next breakthrough in sniping will not be a guided bullet, but a barrel stabilization system, which, coupled with automatic ballistic corrections, will make high-precision shooting at a range of 2000 m available for shooters with average training.

[DM51]

These cartridges are purchased now for law enforcement agencies.
I propose to engage in the development of their own sniper ammunition in 10 mm caliber.

I am aware that the 408s are purchased by us, but what prevents us from arranging the production of a cartridge of high accuracy 14.5 and 12.7?

It depends on the target - for hitting a soft target, 7,62 is more than enough. I know for sure that a rifle in 10 mm caliber will be twice as light as a rifle in 14.5 mm caliber. And to defeat the "soft target" 14,5 mm is excessive.
And the Iranians are not so much sniping kirithey to be guided by their crafts :)
I would definitely prefer a 6 kg rifle than to carry 13-15 kg

7.62 is enough, only a martyr-mobile cannot be penetrated from it. Now even for individuals, for example, snipers are fired from ATGMs - watch videos from Syria. And you forget such a parameter as the pre-supply impact of BP. During WWI, there were 7.62 caliber rifles with a long barrel against the first tanks and armored vehicles, they pierced armor due to the high speed of the bullet, but to stop the tank it took up to 20 or more hits, it’s good that the first tanks were traveling at the speed of a turtle and the shooter had enough time, and now? Of the 14.5 hit once, and from the 408th may not be enough, and four. Minimum weight for rifle 408 caliber 9 kg.

Of course I read - they have been engaged in guided bullets for 20 years and there is no serious result, but ballistic computers, high-quality optics and precision-grade ammunition - on high-quality gunpowders - have a greater impact on accuracy.
The next breakthrough in sniping will not be a guided bullet, but a barrel stabilization system, which, coupled with automatic ballistic corrections, will make high-precision shooting at a range of 2000 m available for shooters with average training.

If you spend so much time and invest resources and money, then the topic is very promising.
A ballistic computer will never give the same accuracy as a guided projectile or bullet. Firstly, control in flight is a defeat of the target in motion, and secondly, the calculator is useless for a light bullet when there is a gusty wind or at least a small drizzle or a bullet flies first over water, and then over land or over the gorge, where air movement flows unevenly etc. Thirdly, a guided bullet is a defeat of a target in a zone of indirect visibility, for example, a target can be highlighted by a drone, but a sniper does not see a target at all. And I repeat - in a large caliber it is much easier to cram executive electronics and mechanisms

[Maz]

Wow and garn grunt and caliber killer

[bagr69]

The old horse will not spoil the furrow, there is still gunpowder in the old woman’s flocks!

[Bronevick]

Soviet weapons will be relevant in 1000 years.

[Incvizitor]

I recalled how anti-tank missiles in New Russia were used against the Nazis:

[DimerVladimer]

According to the author, the use of anti-tank guns in the Donbass and Syria testifies to the genius of domestic designers who create weapons that are practically not obsolete and are capable of destroying enemies many decades after they were put into service.

The author is aware that the earliest anti-tank rifles - Tankger M1918 - were used at the end of World War I by the Germans against British and French tanks. These guns showed extremely low efficiency - only 7 French tanks were destroyed with the help of the PTR. The low efficiency of this type of weapon is partially offset by the relative simplicity of manufacturing PTR, the mobility of the calculation and the convenience of disguising the firing position.

Just with the advent of lightly armored vehicles such as BMP BTR - this weapon has some efficiency
... individual tanks (PzIII) consisted of 15-18 holes, which characterizes the good ability of the shotgun, but the extremely weak and ineffective armor of 14,5 mm bullets. The characteristics of the sights allowed fighters with minimal shooting skills to feel like snipers on the battlefield. The low penetration capabilities of rifles forced them to fire from minimum distances, which was very difficult psychologically.
At the same time, the armored action of their bullets was generally insignificant.
It was not enough to get into the tank, it was not enough to break through the armor, it was necessary to hit the crew or vital parts of the tank.

So it is not in vain that this weapon went into arsenals for long-term storage.

[DimerVladimer]

According to the author, the use of anti-tank guns in the Donbass and Syria testifies to the genius of domestic designers who create weapons that are practically not obsolete and are capable of destroying enemies many decades after they were put into service.

You’ll throw the little idea to the finals, otherwise they don’t know their Lahti where to swim ...

The first prototypes were created under the original 20-mm cartridge developed by Lahti himself, however, in the Lahti L-39 series anti-tank rifle was produced under the German 20-mm cartridge from anti-aircraft guns purchased by Finland in Germany. In addition, German ammunition provided wider types of shots - armor-piercing, incendiary, high-explosive fragmentation, etc. During the Second World War, the Finnish weapons plant VKT produced about 1800 anti-tank rifles Lahti L-39, which were in service with the Finnish army until the beginning of 1960 years.
Lahti L-39 was effective in the conduct of hostilities on the Soviet-Finnish front. Using difficult terrain conditions, the Finns arranged successful ambushes on Soviet troops. It allowed such maneuverable groups to fight lightly armored Soviet armored vehicles. L-39 was a relatively portable weapon, which the Finns found good use in addition to firing on armored vehicles. A high-explosive shell of 20 mm caliber did a good job with bunkers and trucks.

In addition, this anti-tank gun was also used as an anti-sniper weapon. The mannequin of the Finnish army officer was positioned so that the Soviet sniper saw him. The sniper fired, unmasking his position, which fired from the Lahti L-39.

During the second Soviet-Finnish war, the Lahti L-39 was no longer effective against Soviet medium tanks T-34 and heavy KV-1, however, anti-tank rifle was successfully used against various field fortifications and embrasures.

[andrewkor]

And also as an anti-aircraft tool. The armament of the Finnish army was removed in the 60s!

[Proud.]

The Thing! The Super Thing ...

[Monarchist]

In childhood, he knew one armor-piercer, remembered his words: at the beginning of the war, only these guns saved the infantrymen. The Germans quickly appreciated the possibility of a gun and began to beware

[LeonidL]

PTR during the war and in the Donbass hard hit the Nazis! Places of battle for the Soviet PTR familiar!