Catalonia on the threshold of independence

According to information RIA News, the head of the press service of the Catalan government, Jaume Clote, announced that his head, Carles Puchdemon, had signed a law providing for the holding of a referendum on the independence of the autonomous community from Spain on 1 in October.

Previously, 6 of September, the local parliament approved the law on referendum by a majority vote: 72 deputy of the movements "Together for" yes "and" National unity candidates "supported the proposed draft of 135 elects at the voting 83, 11 people abstained. , The Socialist Party of Catalonia and the Centrist Citizens Party, which are going to appeal the decision, left the meeting room before the vote.

In addition to the opposition in the Catalan Parliament, the plebiscite is considered illegal by the leading parties in Spain and the government of the country. Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy intends to challenge the adopted law in the Constitutional Court, in connection with which he requested the opinion of the State Council on this document. Spanish Deputy Prime Minister Soraya Saenz de Santamaría called what happened in the Catalan parliament a "shameful circus" and promised that the Spanish government would not allow violation of the rights of Spanish citizens.

However, the Catalan authorities believe that the referendum law will have "the highest legal force" over all other laws and regulations that will contradict it. In the event of a positive will, the results of the referendum are expected to be realized in 48 hours. Minimum turnout is not required. The question to be discussed is: “Would you like Catalonia to become an independent state with a republican form of government?”.

Comments

[Evil 55]

Puig Demon of Spain ..

[Teberii]

The weakness of the central government, the lack of understanding of the interests of the outskirts, the imperial style of government has long fueled separatism in Spain.

[oldseaman1957]

Quote: Teberii

Weak central authority

+ Catalan nationalism, without which all sorts of "weaknesses" there - baby talk. That's who Ukrainians need to learn, these will not trifle in their pockets to poke. And the roots of the Catalans are deep - already from the end of the 8th century, which is documentarily provable (again, unlike lovers of hopak). So everything is adult here.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: oldseaman1957

So everything is adult here.

And if the Germans begin to divide Germany .... In general, it will be funny .....

[oldseaman1957]

Quote: Zoldat_A

And if the Germans begin to divide Germany ....

- They begin to separate not from nothing to do, but from worsening living conditions. - The Germans seem to have everything type-top for now. Of course, there are some disagreements between the eastern and western, but it is not so serious

[Grandfather]

The head of the press service of the Catalan government, Jaume Clotte, announced the signing of a law by his head, Carles Puigdemon, on October 1 holding a referendum on the independence of the autonomous community from Spain.

well ... therefore, according to "democratic" laws, the Spanish Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy will have to announce the start of the ATO, and start bombing Catalonia like the Donbass Turchins ....

[hrych]

Catalonia is the industrialized center of the country. As the Donbass in Ukraine, the only developed place, industrial Transnistria in agrarian and rotten Moldova. Accordingly, the population is more advanced and courageous when a small number of hung rotten and amorphous aggressor. Recognize Catalan statehood immediately, establish diplomatic relations, sign an agreement on cooperation in the military sphere, and send King Juan to his name ...

[voyaka uh]

“Immediately recognize Catalan statehood,” ///
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How smart you are! But in Russia, separatism is strictly prohibited -
serious felony. In the Kuban, some figures only
they hinted at the referendum - they were immediately put in prison (according to the criminal
Code).

[Edvagan]

that's right, in the bud you have to stop it. We have. And let them figure it out in Catalonia, I think it’s neither hot nor cold for us. Independent Catalonia will also be in the EEC sphere and the US satellite.

[Topotun]

Especially when the tolerant forces of the EU and the states support the "aspirations of peoples for independence" anywhere just not at home ....

[tracer]

I’ll tell you as a Kuban, you’d rather divide Israel and resell each other than the Kuban will depart from Russia.
For now, enjoy your very slavish working conditions, the wonderful schedule of kindergartens and the much-known "joys" to you. Well, you know ....

[hrych]

Quote: voyaka uh

How smart you are!

If there is no will and strength to keep their territories, then there is no sense in preserving such a state. We were able to do this, but Georgians, Azerbaijanis, Ukrainians, Moldovans could not. This is called justice because the GUAM nations did not achieve statehood, but received it on a silver platter. Russia has formed its statehood and territory in a thousand years, in addition to the military component, giving culture and the development of civilization. Therefore, GUAM is a club of failed states. In the EU, there is a mirror situation, as with the USSR, where a single ethnocultural center is formed, then all sorts of Spain, Holland, Britain are lower statuses, they are no longer centers of statehood, ethnocultural ties are broken, because of this the Catalans, volunteers, Scots, etc. Moreover, the bastards launched the process in the USSR and Yugoslavia, the latter being forced by force. Therefore, the EU in national politics will reap the storm that it has sowed. We recognized the sovereign state of South Ossetia, Abkhazia, annexed Crimea, so we are not going to ask anyone if they need to let them impose sanctions on themselves. Their whole essence is in global, interregional trade and politics. We are completely self-sufficient. Even the Soviet Union could not afford such a thing - its essence was also global, and the Russian Federation is forming a new world, the guarantee of which is its combat power, deposits and, surprisingly, agriculture. They depend on us for raw materials, we are no longer dependent on them for anything. There is nothing to put pressure on them, they have exhausted everything that is possible. And if so, then the end of their system is inevitable. Separatism and nationalism, especially against the backdrop of Middle Eastern and African torn, planted on the neck of European inhabitants. Therefore, the dismemberment of European states on a national basis is unambiguous, which is what started, and of course, the EU will also collapse soon and we will take them all warm. The Brexet of Britain solely out of fear after a rigged referendum in Scotland. The British are so trying to maintain their rotten monarchy, but this is agony. In the USSR, this passed, and the British passed, when they profiled all their colonies and could not hold the process by threats, or by bribery, or by persuasion ...

[voyaka uh]

“and the EU, of course, will also collapse soon and we will take them all warm.” ///

In what sense? Conquer?

[hrych]

Quote: voyaka uh

In what sense? Conquer?

Ultimately, yes. The Cold War did not end, as it seems to some that the death of the USSR and the creation of the EU, including the debris of CMEA, put an end to it. However, let's call it the analogy with the highest point of the Third Reich, and the battle for Moscow, Stalingrad, had already been won, Peter survived. The battle for control of the Caucasian ridge was won, Crimea and part of Donbass were recaptured. The pendulum began to move in the opposite direction. They will have to pay for an attack on us. Everything goes to this. The Western bloc has already shown its helplessness, centrifugal processes and contradictions have begun, in the USA itself, the EU, etc. There are simply no charismatic leaders in the EU, both at the country level and at the level of EU structures themselves. The herd of sheep is not controlled by lions, but by the same sheep. It is always a harbinger of doom. There is a mass death of the creators of global society, i.e. really powerful personalities, like David Rockefeller, Elizabeth II (still in senility), Thatcher, etc.

[Luga]

Quote: voyaka uh

How smart you are! But in Russia, separatism is strictly prohibited -
serious felony. In the Kuban, some figures only
they hinted at the referendum - they were immediately put in prison (according to the criminal
Code).

Come on, why build a naive youth out of yourself?
Separatism at home must be crushed in the bud. Separatism in other houses is to support and feed. Double standards? Yes! And we are not ashamed!
Since the mattresses trampled international law in the 90's (and are still being trampled upon), the confrontation with them has moved from the “fight without rules” state to the “fight without rules” state, and now, it seems, it’s finally able to rules. "
So, if in Latvia the zemgals and the Latguls decided to separate, or I would support the zhemites from auxites in Lithuania too. With both hands! Freedom to auxhaites, jamaites, go home!
And in general, to deny us the right to use double standards, when everyone around them uses them, are these the most double standards, do not you think?

[voyaka uh]

"Separatism at home must be crushed in the bud.
Separatism in other houses - to support and feed "////

Frankly. But you - a clever person, apparently - should
understand that feeding separatism in other ("bad") countries
causes - involuntarily! - intensification of domestic separatism.
Somehow: "they can, but we can not ??? Oooo!"

[Luga]

Quote: voyaka uh

feeding separatism in other ("bad") countries
causes - involuntarily! - intensification of domestic separatism.

In a very insignificant degree, compared with other factors - economic, in the first place.

[APASUS]

Quote: voyaka uh

Frankly. But you - a clever person, apparently - should
understand that feeding separatism in other ("bad") countries
causes - involuntarily! - intensification of domestic separatism.
Somehow: "they can, but we can not ??? Uuuu

You, too, should be aware that by supporting the collapse of Yugoslavia, first by military means, and then by political decision dividing Serbia, Europe itself opened the Pandora’s box.
Although there will be no separation, the whole of Europe is woven from contradictions and the collapse of one country will cause a flurry of separatism. This is why the result is not worth the wait. How can they be canceled in court, can it be a political decision, or is it still not clear? This is not advice to give Papuans from Eastern Europe

[padded jacket]

Quote: Luga

Separatism at home must be crushed in the bud. Separatism in other houses is to support and feed. Double standards? Yes! And we are not ashamed!

It’s absolutely true that Spain will “fall apart” to the Russians, there will be no harm if only those who have villas there

[voyaka uh]

Who has a villa in Spain will remain its owner in Spain.
Who in Catalonia - will remain its owner in Catalonia.
Nothing will change, neither for wealthy Russians, nor for others.

[sharp-lad]

This is for them pulling the Kosovo region from Serbia!

[Sergo]

I thought that Ukrainians had their origin from Kievan Rus?

[inkass_98]

What are Ukrainians in Kievan Rus? It would be a good idea to read a history textbook, there are still maps attached with tribal resettlement. Send me a screen with the place of residence of Ukrainians, please.
For all other questions - to Bebik and Vyatrovich.

[Sergo]

And in what year did the Ukrainians capture Kiev from the Russians?
And in what year did the Russians emigrate to the place of today's Russia?

[sharp-lad]

The Russians did not emigrate but developed on the territory of Russia. And Kiev entered this territory with all adjacent lands. Kievan Rus was the beginning of the formation and growth of all of Russia from which Russia eventually entered the world. If you need more details, then you will find a lot of work with historical materials. Regarding the emigration of Russians, yes, some of the Russians really emigrated, but not to Russia, but, for example, to America.

[Sergo]

And when did the Ukrainians capture Kiev and the adjacent territories from the Russians?

[sharp-lad]

In February 2014. And not the Ukrainians, but the “banderlogs” - the offspring of the unfinished Bandera. Ukrainians are an integral part of the Russian people.

[Luga]

Quote: Sergo

And in what year did the Ukrainians capture Kiev from the Russians?
And in what year did the Russians emigrate to the place of today's Russia?

The second time I come across your message with such a ... er ... ambiguous question. Are you really interested in the opinion of the interlocutors or is it just such a way of trolling? I would be very interested to know how you yourself would answer your own questions? If not difficult, sketch out the answers to your questions, so, thesis.

[Vladimir16]

You're wrong. The Ukrainian can not lead from Russia. It originates from hatred.
And Kiev is really a Russian city. Like other cities in the southeast of this area.

[Incvizitor]

In many ways, the fact that the Catalans have the same taxes higher also warms up, well, at least they told me there so ...

[ronnon]

How many centuries of the Basques, everyone tried to separate, and then everything just voted, they say in the hollow of the center-power.

[Holoy]

Basques are dangerous in Spain. Catalans are innocent children compared to Basques ...

[Incvizitor]

The Basque country will not only be in Spain.

[Hurricane70]

Quote: Zoldat_A

Quote: oldseaman1957

So everything is adult here.

And if the Germans begin to divide Germany .... In general, it will be funny .....

And the Germans then what to divide their country? They have an example, so they are more likely to collect the Reich if they get out of oppression of mattresses!

[Topotun]

Who will let them out? Where are they going from the submarine? And the states will start buzzing with a moment the war in Europe will be unleashed as it was already in the second world ..... And NATO (count Germany) will go to war with Russia, again. And with the same result .....

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Topotun

And with the same result .....

That’s immanent ... Although I’m the eighth dozen, I kept the machine in my hands for more than twenty years - and now it won’t fall out ....

[Topotun]

I support! I’m at least 53, but I also didn’t forget how to shoot. Enough for one war!

[sharp-lad]

I’ll be younger, but my health will not allow me to run with AK, and with SVD I will also be able to scorch the tail of the enemy.

[Herculesic]

Nothing will change! This is all zilch! !!

[Olaf Uksimae]

Quote: Evil 55

Puig Demon of Spain ..

Puchdemon, I would suggest a collective image, rather Putin, Chubais, Demon or Dimon

[Cxnumx]

However, the authorities of Catalonia believe that the referendum law will have the “highest legal force” over all other laws and regulations that would contradict it.

naive alb ... Spaniards))

[vasilev]

We’ll see whether Spain starts a war after the positive results of the referendum, or whether only the Bandera junta does so. And whether mattresses with the EU recognize independence, if they recognize, then Crimea with Donbass, Abkhazia and South Ossetia, and the PMR must be recognized, otherwise double standards will be there and can’t talk about any democracy.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: vasilev

can’t talk about any democracy

"The most democratic country in the world" has already done so many undemocratic follies that it’s just right to talk about the collapse of the very idea of ​​democracy .... For me, socialism-communism was much more honest than American "democracy" ....

[Sergo]

Have polite people appeared in Catalonia?

[sharp-lad]

Double standards on their faces since the days of the Kosovo region.

[svp67]

Yeah ... now they’ll say that here the “polite little men" tried ... But we don’t get used to it.

[bagr69]

They will not be allowed to separate peacefully.
Yes, and a referendum can be held, but the main thing is to know how to properly count the votes.

[Maxwrx]

I was in Spain, it was in Catalonia. This is an artificially created country within the current borders, cultures alien to each other will separate.