"Air Hunter" JNAAM calls into question the potential of the Su-35S and MiG-35. The first results of the delay project RVV-AE-PD

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A fair share of hurray-patriotism will never hurt when analyzing a review of promising domestic concepts of military equipment, especially when their parameters are at the level of or are far ahead of the capabilities of foreign analogues. This statement is entirely true for multi-channel anti-missile defense-PRO C 300V4 composed missile is advanced sverhdalnoboynye interceptors 9M82MV with a range 400 km were introduced intercept height of about 50-70 speed and hit targets 4600 m / s . This missile defense system is today the world's only ultra-long-range missile equipped with an active radar seeker that allows you to destroy remote over-the-horizon objects at distances more than 100 km without the help of a divisional multifunctional radar of illumination and targeting. This is also true for the super-maneuverable Su-35С multifunctional fighter equipped with the world's most powerful Irbis-E H035 radar capable of detecting most of the western fighters at a distance of 300-400 km (depending on the EPR).



Nevertheless, if the unique anti-aircraft characteristics of Antei in the foreseeable future will remain superior to those catching up with Western counterparts with a shorter range and speed of targets, then all the positive aspects of Sushki and the MiG-35 combat units expected to be adopted can simply “crumble” to dust ”from just underfunding and“ freezing ”the project of air-to-air direct-flow guided missile“ Product 180-PD ”. And here, far from cheers-patriotism is already far, because the enemy is at the gates of a significant technological breakthrough in the field of development of a new generation of air combat missiles. This breakthrough is quite capable of shifting the effectiveness of the Russian tactical aviation (in terms of fulfilling the tasks of gaining air supremacy) to a solid third place, after the Air Force of the People’s Republic of China.

We are talking about the launch of a joint Japanese-British project of a long-range air combat missile JNAAM (Joint New Air-to-Air Missile), an agreement on which was reached between representatives of foreign policy and defense departments of the two states at the end of 2015 year, and then finally supported by a minister Defense of Michael Fallon and British Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond to Japan 8 January 2016. Here we are not dealing with an ordinary long-range air-to-air missile of the AIM-120D type, but with a promising air-to-air missile missile with unique noise immunity from multiple electronic warfare systems installed both on intercepted aircraft and on airborne e-equipment . JNAAM is a hybrid of the British-French rocket-ramjet air combat missile "Meteor" from the company MBDA and the Japanese air-to-air missile of medium range AAM-4B, where the first will take the design of the airframe and the integral rocket-ramjet engine, and from the second - a hardware unit of the inertial navigation system and an active radar homing head with active PAR.

The presence of an integral rocket-ramjet engine with a starting accelerator and a solid fuel charge of a boron-containing gas generator will allow JNAAM, as well as MBDA "Meteor", to intercept air targets at a distance of 150-170 km, to maintain high speed (3,5-4М) in the final flight segment (in tens increase the success rate of interception in comparison with AIM-120D), adjust the flight speed depending on the type of target by means of the valve of the gas generator, located in the front wall of the combustion chamber; therefore, the product has a much larger specific impulse of surplus, surpassing the analogous parameter of the domestic URVV P-77, RVV-SD and P-27EPR / EM. If the latter types of missiles, due to the loss of speed, cannot intercept the maneuvering object at a distance of 70-90 km, then for JNAAM this is not a problem in 150 kilometers from the launch point.

The time has come to familiarize yourself with the JNAAM active radar homing head. It is known that on most modern anti-aircraft guided missiles (9М96Х2, Aster-30, ERINT and 9М82МВ), as well as air combat missiles (РВВ-АЕ / СД, Р-37, AMRAAM, Astra, MICA-EM and t .d.) ARGSN based on slot antenna arrays operating in the 8-40 GHz frequency band (X, J, Ku, and Ka-bands), but with low noise immunity and target “capture” range with 1 e2 EPR from 12 to 30 km And this is without intensive electronic countermeasures from the enemy, where the effective range can be further reduced. JNAAM will use a promising active radar homing based on AFAR, which is the "heart" of the Japanese AAM-4B ASU. It has a lot of tactical and technological advantages over outdated waveguide-slotted GOS. Firstly, this is the highest noise immunity, which allows the selection of an air target against the background of several sources of powerful radio-electronic interference of noise, protective and distracting types. The problem can only be EW aircraft stations emitting powerful imitation interference; against any other types of interference, “nulling” of the radiation pattern towards the interference emitters can be used.

Secondly, the GOS with active phased array, developed by Mitsubishi Electric Corporation, has 1,4 times greater energy potential, allowing you to capture a target with 1,5-2 m2 EPR (MiG-29СМТ or MiG-35) at a distance of 17-25 km Compared with such slot GOS, as the French AD4A or Russian 9B-1103М-200PA. As a result, the “let-forget” mode is implemented on 40% earlier and, instead of a dangerous procedure of highlighting the target with simultaneous convergence, the pilot can start the anti-missile maneuver much earlier, which can save the crew’s life and give the opportunity to continue the operation to gain superiority in the air.

Thirdly, the specialists of Mitsubishi Electric Corporation, together with researchers from the Technology Research and Development Institute, developed a unique software algorithm for the inertial navigation system AAM-4B, which allows 15-20% to reduce the trajectory and flight time to the target. If practically in all inertial navigation systems of air combat missiles of American, Western European and Asian production there is an algorithm with the method of "proportional targeting" ("Proportional Navigation"), providing for a constant "pursuit" of the target with irrational maneuvering and kinetic energy consumption, then the JNAAM rocket INS will use the method of "guidance with the prediction of the movement of the target" ("Motion Prediction").


AAM-4B air combat guided missile concept


Its essence lies in the fact that at the moment the missile leaves the suspension, the on-board radar accurately determines the location of the remote target (including lowering or climbing, slowing down or accelerating), target designation is transmitted to the IN-module of the missile, after which its onboard computer calculates the preemptive meeting point the purpose. The rocket does not follow the target, constantly adjusting and lengthening the trajectory, and is sent to the calculated point, which allows you to speed up the interception time. The rocket is connected to the carrier via a coded radio link of the tactical network Link-16, which indicates the possibility of issuing target designation not only from the carrier fighter, but also from other units equipped with MIDS / TADIL-L terminals (ERLNS E-3C aircraft) / G "Sentry", E-2D, REAR RC-135V / W planes, most of the NATO multi-purpose fighters of the NATO countries, ground-based radars AN / TPS-75 and destroyers / cruisers of the Arleigh Burke / Ticonderoga URO).

The active radar homing head with AFAR also provides for the use of a JNAAM rocket in air-to-surface mode; in this case, an additional millimeter channel of operation, which increases accuracy, may be required for a smaller circular deviation. Based on the capabilities of modern AFAR-Radar, the promising hybrid MBDA “Meteor” and AAM-4B can be used in the passive mode of operation of the GOS, which will affect ground-based radars ARLO, depriving the enemy of important tactical information about the air situation. Already, well-informed sources are claiming an increase in the energy capabilities of JNAAM's GOS, because on the horizon there is an active introduction of Gallium Nitride (GaN) -based transceiver modules, which Japanese experts are actively working on. Such an ARGSN design will provide an opportunity to find targets with the 1,5 m2 EPR within 25-30 km, which is a unique indicator for an antenna array with a diameter of the order of 155 mm.

1 of September 2017 of the document “Defense Programs and Budget of Japan” made by the Ministry of Defense of Japan over the past few months became known, 66 million dollars are planned to be allocated next year to promote the JNAAM promising long-range air combat missile jointly with the United Kingdom. Now the future of the product can be considered the main tactical asset of the air supremacy of the British unobtrusive fighter planes of the North-Eastern Air Force (F-35B) and ordered by F-35A by Japan. It is time to take this information seriously today. After all, if the Chinese Air Force already has a decent asymmetrical response to the future JNAAM Japanese Air Force self-defense forces in the form of PL-12D / 15 / 21D ultra-long-range “air killers”, our RVV-AE-PD project is all is still “in the long box”, which, apparently, no one intends to open. Meanwhile, we recall that even the most powerful airborne radars "Irbis-E" and "Belka" do not determine superiority over the air enemy, possessing the most long-range and accurate interceptor missiles in the world.

Information sources:
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http://rbase.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/rvv-cd/rvv-cd.shtml
http://rbase.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/meteor/meteor.shtml
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  1. +27
    7 September 2017 06: 56
    even if such missiles are not being developed in our country, then after such a detailed article by Damantsev, it remains only to establish production ... by the way, why are the drawings not attached? what
    1. +23
      7 September 2017 08: 02
      Quote: Dead Day
      even if such missiles are not being developed in our country, then after such a detailed article by Damantsev, it remains only to establish production ... by the way, why are the drawings not attached? what

      =======
      In vain you ride! The article is generally correct and well written !!! For which the author - "+". True, a logical question arises: Is the RVV-AE-PD project really "frozen"? And is everything "smooth" with this system ??? V.h. and with noise immunity? As far as I understand, there is installed a "passive HEADLIGHT" .....
      Well, and as for the algorithm of pointing to the “meeting point”, and not by the “pursuit curve,” it has been known for a very, very long time ..... Already probably 30 years, if not more ... True, on air missiles -air "didn’t seem to be used ....
      1. +14
        7 September 2017 10: 30
        Well, so modestly, for example, Zhuk-A from the Russian Federation since 2010 went into the series + export in the form of Zhuk-AE and under R-77 perfectly working for 110 keys according to the declared performance characteristics with a speed of up to 4 max.
        As for the modification of the R-77 (ae-pd), it seems like the R&D on it was finished in the 93rd.

        By the way, if I remember correctly minus afar that when using it it glows like a Christmas tree on the radar even with a passive grill?

        Yes, why not remember the r-37 (400km at 4m) or talk about the promising ks-127 (300km at 6m) next to which this thing starts to seem like a drink?
        1. +5
          7 September 2017 11: 33
          Quote: venik
          In vain you ride!
          what? not in vain ... a critical look, he will always benefit.
          Quote: venik
          True, a logical question arises: Is the RVV-AE-PD project really "frozen"?

          they will not tell us, and indeed ... it will be ready, maybe we will find out.
          Quote: ShadowCat
          Well, so modestly, for example, Zhuk-A from the Russian Federation since 2010 went into the series + export in the form of Zhuk-AE and under R-77 perfectly working for 110 keys according to the declared performance characteristics with a speed of up to 4 max.

          "bug" on the MiGs only, and then on the 35x ... is it planned ... no? but in general it was already ... https: //topwar.ru/108640-peredovye-afar-ra
          dary-dlya-stroevyh-i-perspektivnyh-migov-nevidann
          yy-ranee-potential-update-vks-chast-1.html
          1. jjj
            +3
            7 September 2017 14: 31
            I’m reading and thinking, and what mass should a rocket have to beat further 100 km and even with a gluttonous forward-flow tank?
            1. +6
              7 September 2017 21: 49
              Quote: jjj
              gluttonous forward-flow man?

              These are solid fuel engines, pro-thirsty, and direct-flow engines are super-economical in comparison with them.
              1. +9
                7 September 2017 23: 13
                Quote: jjj
                I’m reading and thinking, and what mass should a rocket have to beat further 100 km and even with a gluttonous forward-flow tank?

                ... solid-propellant pressurized combustion engine known US ... since the 70s of the last century in the USSR ... on the example of one SAM ... Damantsev, this is a continuous difficult story, with an unfortunate end ... laughing
                ... The author’s claim to know the basics of radar ended when he confused the range of direct optical visibility, with the range of direct radio-technical visibility ... and it was right there in VO, a couple of months ago ... the basic equation of radar, he wasn’t given ... he is a Journalist - for what they pay, he sings ... as in this case ... from where he took the source data for comparison, this is a big secret ... or his fantasy ... tongue
                Quote: Passing by
                These are solid fuel engines, pro-thirsty, and direct-flow engines are super-economical in comparison with them.

                ... now students are studying these things ... hypersonic sounds on solid propellant and paste-like fuels ... hint given further, think for yourself ... hi
                1. +3
                  7 September 2017 23: 20
                  P.S. ... the whole article, this is the result of solving the equation of initial mathematics by one famous character - who got the result = 1,5 Digger ... laughing
            2. +8
              7 September 2017 23: 22
              Quote: jjj
              I’m reading and thinking, and what mass should a rocket have to beat further 100 km and even with a gluttonous forward-flow tank?

              Rocket K-77PD / RVV-AE-PD:

              Engines - starting solid propellant rocket accelerator and march ramjet engine KRPD-TT, development started in 1992-1993.

              TTX missiles:
              Length - 3700 mm
              Case Diameter - 200 mm
              Wing span - 390 mm (air intakes)
              Range of lattice stabilizers - 820 mm

              Weight - 225 kg
              Mass of warhead - 22 kg

              Range:
              - up to 150-160 km for AWACS type targets (up to 180 km for other data)
              Flight speed - about 5 m


              The warhead type - probably similar to the K-77 / RVV-AE missile - is a rod missile with micro-cumulative elements and a safety-executive mechanism (PIM).
              Damage radius - 7 m
              http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-674.html hi
            3. 0
              8 September 2017 11: 32
              Quote: jjj
              I’m reading and thinking, and what mass should a rocket have to beat further 100 km and even with a gluttonous forward-flow tank?

              Just to blurt out something ...
          2. +3
            7 September 2017 16: 22
            Quote: Dead Day
            what? not in vain ... a critical look, he will always benefit.

            ======
            Well, father, It’s certainly a “critical look” - it’s always a matter of EVERYWHERE to the Benefit ....... But only if it’s with “the mind” - that is, “with knowledge !!!” - tady - YES - "For the Benefit" .... Well, if "without" - well tady OH !!!
        2. 0
          7 September 2017 16: 17
          Quote: ShadowCat
          By the way, if I correctly remember minus afar that when using it it glows like a Christmas tree on the radar even with a passive grating?

          =======
          Excuse me, my friend, but you "accidentally" do not confuse AFAR with PFAR ????? Well, so - WITHOUT questions !!!
        3. 0
          8 September 2017 11: 36
          If you gave real numbers, then I calmed down ..... oooo and exhaled. We cannot be left behind.
      2. +20
        7 September 2017 13: 30
        Of course, a rocket with an AFAR and a coded transmission channel for the CO is a miracle as good, but there are a couple of comments.
        Guidance in the predicted point of finding the goal is super! Only who knows the true law of motion of a goal?
        At one time, he personally participated in such work to reduce the radiation time of 75 SNR during the shelling of a target, according to data from the ACE Senezh, to reduce the likelihood of damage to the antenna complex by enemy SRR of the Shrike type and the like. It was a long time ago.
        The essence of the task - the AKP calculates the predicted trajectory of the flight of the target based on the primary data on the air situation and gives the target to the target. ZRDN С75 produces a start according to the CU, but the high does not include. Works only station command transmission on the rocket. The rocket is guided into a hypothetical predicted point of finding the target. Over 6-8 seconds before the hypothetical meeting of the rocket with the goal - at the command of the AKP, the CHP includes a high target, captures the target, which, in theory, should be at the crosshairs and completes the shelling with enemy defeat. The idea is robust, and for rectilinear and uniform movement of the target worked amazingly.
        But as soon as the goal began to change the law of motion, problems began. The spline approximation, all sorts of differential motion models, did not give any particular purpose. Well, still - in the worst case scenario, a single source of RIs with a discrete 10 seconds worked on the target. and, of course, any target maneuver in direction or speed resulted in decent forecasting errors. As a result, the work was brought to a logical conclusion, by increasing the time of operation of the SNR to ensure that the target was captured after the search. instead of 6-8 seconds CHP worked up to 10-12 seconds, of course, seriously getting more serious under the blow of the PI. By the way, the missile’s limitations on the required overloads during retargeting immediately surfaced.
        Of course, for an explosive missile, the overload that is incorporated in the design is obviously large, but the Japanese-British scheme does not save much from the prediction errors of the target position. It is necessary either to constantly accompany the target and transfer the CU in real time (i.e., direct the missile to a true target, not to the pre-empt point), which is possible only in field conditions or hope for it.
        And one more thing - now the EW makes adjustments to the signal RPS easily. And who prevents to transfer to the rocket fake CC with much larger errors in the same way? And do not say that coding is a panacea for interference. Intelligence, most likely, regularly retracts updates of coding algorithms.
        1. +4
          7 September 2017 15: 16
          Bomber, KR, AWACS, can still be calculated, but the fighter is unlikely. For this reason, both in our country and in the West, they prefer missiles with a launch range of up to 200 km, but with the above-mentioned innovations (direct-flow, AFAR, multi-channel GOS), all that further entails
          non-acidic increase in mass, the high cost of the rocket ..
          On the account of why everything is so neglected in our country, one can judge from one piece of information about arms purchases. R-77 missiles for 2017 200 units are planned to be purchased, this is for all VKS. On a piece for brother. So here we must forget even about the rare educational launches of these products. You probably have to forget about more advanced missiles.
          In general, of course, on the AFAR, OLS and other avionics, they certainly come forward because of our slowness and unwillingness to invest in these matters. The same SU-35 and MiG-35 are accepted for service in budget trim levels. On the MiG-35 they generally decided to put the ZHUK-M (as on SMT), this does not go into any gates. If in close combat he can beat anyone, he has the coolest U-turns, then in battles at the same average distances, “Rafal, Eurofighter, F-15, F-35, F-16 of the latest modifications,“ Superhornet, take him for escort per 100km. earlier, when he will not even see them. Accordingly, the “gift” will fly to him much earlier. According to the informational component of the board, only T-50 can compete with western planes (this is if everything is there as we write). The Su-35 radar is not bad, but in terms of armament, situational awareness, it is also not ahead.
          1. +1
            7 September 2017 16: 00
            CRET seems to be leading the development of the Faton Council. Which should surprise. But everything is covered in mystery. And rightly so. And then the riddle is never rich
            1. 0
              7 September 2017 16: 07
              The WikiLeaks portal has published a package of CIA secret documents on fighter missile launch control programs.

              According to a statement on the WikiLeaks website, this system is installed on board aircraft equipped with missile launch systems (air-to-air or air-to-ground).
              According to the portal, the Protego project was implemented from 2014 to 2015 with the participation of Raytheon.
              The system includes a “main processor” and a “launch box”, as well as several separate microcontrollers. To start the trigger, three types of signals must be acknowledged.
              It is also reported that the published package of documents is included in the Vault 7 project, while the scope of the Protego software differs from other programs described in the project.
              Recall that in March WikiLeaks began publishing secret CIA documents under the general name Vault 7. They relate to espionage technologies on the Internet.
              For example, the portal described the work of the CIA program to collect video streams and reported on the CIA control over webcams and microphones.
        2. +1
          7 September 2017 16: 38
          Quote: Vlad.by
          Guidance in the predicted point of finding the goal is super! Only who knows the true law of motion of a goal?

          ======
          Well, for this there is an old algorithm (3 reference points ..)
          And the rest - YES! Problems maneuvering goal - no one canceled !!!
          Well, as for the electronic warfare - here it’s all Complete "tin" ......
          1. +1
            7 September 2017 16: 55
            Counted and 5 points. But when the target maneuvers horizontally, vertically and speed - nothing else but guidance in real time remains. No approximation will give the desired accuracy.

            vkl.47
            And you did not read about refueling missiles in flight in Wik? What do you! This is the coolest technology of the West. Exchange gunpowder (or offal?) In flight! Now we only have to lie-fear and remains.
            “Do not read Soviet newspapers in the morning” (Professor Preobrazhensky, Dog’s Heart, M. Bulgakov)
        3. +1
          7 September 2017 20: 03
          Quote: Vlad.by
          But as soon as the goal began to change the law of motion, problems began

          The on-board complex before launch automatically determines the class and parameters of the target's movement. Then the type of rocket and the guidance method are determined. A lot of guidance methods are now used, and not 2-3 as S-75. At the same time, the probability of hitting a target of 0,3 in a maneuvering target for air-to-air missiles is considered the norm.
          It is unclear why the author emphasizes JNAAM missiles in this way, because Japan declares overestimated characteristics in the best Western traditions, while Russian developers always underestimate these characteristics in the Soviet traditions of maintaining state secrets. We can only guess about the real ranges of heights and speeds.
          In my opinion, the development of air-to-air missiles is now more relevant.
      3. 0
        8 September 2017 11: 49
        Quote: venik
        Well, and as for the algorithm of pointing to the “meeting point,” and not by the “pursuit curve,” it has been known for a very, very long time ..... It’s probably about 30 years, if not more ...

        That's right. Almost all air defense systems work this way.
        1. 0
          8 September 2017 13: 11
          Quote: Skifotavr
          Almost all air defense systems work this way.

          The optimal method of guidance is considered to be the "partial approach method", but it is difficult to implement because of the need for high synchronization, therefore, use quasi-optimal guidance methods.
      4. +1
        13 September 2017 00: 16
        How would you like Russia to have no missiles at all, but you just have to pour poison. Especially for you, an infa jump: - At the aerospace salon MAKS-2011, the model of the Product 620 or K-37ME rocket, which was also called RVV-BD, was first demonstrated. The main feature of the new missile is its range: the possibility of hitting targets at a distance of up to 200 km from the carrier aircraft is declared. The RVV-BD missile is equipped with a type 9B-1103M-350 GOS capable of detecting targets in a 120 ° wide sector. This rocket was launched into series in early 2015. Read the military review of September 23, 2015.
    2. 0
      7 September 2017 19: 59
      The author has not yet decided what this rocket will be. And he does not sell deficiencies. In addition, there will be electric bullets, in general everything, as Jules Verne wrote. But this is most reminiscent of how a bear climbed onto a tree and cannot be removed from there. A specialist came with a bug. Gives instructions to people. I climb up, hit him on the head with a stick, he falls down, and Bug bites his balls. If the bear knocks me down, shoot the Bug. So with this rocket. Run it and flush away, that would not be mistaken for the enemy. After all, the one who launches it will not be able to, will not have time.
  2. 0
    7 September 2017 07: 22
    JNAAM sucks, steers RVV-DB (provided that the AFAR is equipped).
    1. +1
      7 September 2017 11: 34
      Quote: Operator
      JNAAM sucks, steers RVV-DB (provided that the AFAR is equipped).

      I think isho in the "laying" business ... tactics should be developed accordingly.
    2. +1
      7 September 2017 14: 40
      What are you saying? Do you know everything for sure?
  3. +1
    7 September 2017 07: 22
    The authors always forget that the military science of Russia also does not stand still, when the British-Japanese JNAAM missile enters the ranks of their armies, there will already be electronic warfare systems in Russia that it will NOT be able to get around.
    1. +11
      7 September 2017 08: 26
      no harm in dreaming
      1. 0
        7 September 2017 14: 41
        I agree!!!!!!
    2. +2
      7 September 2017 09: 37
      EW will not help against combined homing heads.
      1. +2
        7 September 2017 13: 44
        It is not necessary to interfere with the GOS, but to transmit an “false AS” to the missile “asymmetrically”. Let him search for a “black cat in a dark room” 20 km from its true position (with capture capabilities from 17 km)
      2. +2
        7 September 2017 15: 23
        In the West, of course, the element base missiles were not made a sour leap forward, but for now we are talking about supercomplexes, forgetting that such missiles with multi-channel GOS, good OLS, CLU containers, AFAR with good characteristics, are an integral part of this very complex. And here ...
    3. 0
      7 September 2017 16: 30
      The KB is bent in Russia (an example in Rostov-on-Don "Gradient") CRET just breaks up
      1. +2
        8 September 2017 07: 56
        is it cret then falling apart?
        damn, where did so many deceitful liberals come to the site? Really from a ruin?
  4. +12
    7 September 2017 07: 41
    It is the guidance of the rocket over the radio channel, even if it is protected, that is its weak side, because in principle any radio channel can be muffled or by breaking the code system to intercept the rocket control.
  5. +7
    7 September 2017 08: 01
    Well, so we have AFAR on gallium nitride modules being developed (and already available laughing ) with might and main. It's just that we DON'T ACCEPT to ring all the bells about the parameters of secret developments.
    The regime of secrecy in the country is obviously increasing ... Although (according to my feelings, I judge) they have not yet reached the level of the USSR. But for some enterprises and corporations it’s already close ...
    1. +9
      8 September 2017 07: 08
      Yah! At first, for 5 years, from every iron we have been talking about characteristics that have no analogs and that the enemy is trembling. And forget to develop, produce, test and adopt.

      Armata, Т50, Coalition, Sarmat, Status-6, Husky and other attributes of virtual victories will not let lie.
  6. +7
    7 September 2017 08: 28
    Funny article. Those who know the real situation and the performance characteristics of missiles and systems will be silent, and those who do not know write a lot and actively.
    1. +2
      7 September 2017 08: 38
      It’s still interesting, I am an amateur, and I killed time at work.
      1. 0
        7 September 2017 13: 46
        A little work?
        1. +1
          11 September 2017 11: 33
          Well done good Neighing laughing
  7. +6
    7 September 2017 08: 36
    And someone calculated how much time a rocket will spend flying in a distance of 150 km. That the plane all this time will fly in a straight line, without any maneuver?
    1. +8
      7 September 2017 08: 45
      a rocket flying at a distance of 150 km

      range "150km" is a very conventional concept. Since the technical range of the missile and the range of destruction of the target are not the same thing. It varies from the altitude of the flight (carrier and target), the flight speed of the carrier, the direction of flight of the target in relation to the carrier, the use of the target by REP, maneuvering, etc.
      So loud statements about the possibility of hitting a target behind "100500km" always smack of profanity negative
      1. +1
        7 September 2017 08: 52
        Only many of these figures are serious and raise the cry "boss is all gone"
        1. AUL
          +1
          7 September 2017 09: 34
          And many, no!
          Operator
          JNAAM sucks, steers RVV-DB (provided that the AFAR is equipped).
          That's better?
    2. +1
      7 September 2017 09: 40
      The missile will cover a distance of 150 kilometers, at a speed of 4M - in 117 seconds.
  8. +4
    7 September 2017 11: 13
    This statement is fully true for the anti-aircraft missile defense system ABM-PRO S-300V4, the missile armament of which introduced advanced ultra-long-range interceptor missiles 9M82MV with a range of 400 km, an intercept height of about 50-70 and a target’s speed of 4600 m / s .

    How many people in the 400st century believe that the earth is flat. Manufacturers at least indicate in the technical specifications "up to 20 km". At such a distance, it is theoretically possible to detect a target flying at an altitude of over 52 km and the size of a B50, and even then in fine weather. And the target at an altitude of 70-20 meters will be visible only from XNUMX kilometers, theoretically.
    1. 0
      7 September 2017 13: 50
      9M82 is launched according to the data of a third-party command center in the area where the target is located and beats everything "that flies badly" after turning on the GOS. No one claims that Antei, with the help of NVO, will detect a target for 600 km and knock it down for 400. Well, or he’s beating a BG at an altitude of 50 km from a tap
      1. 0
        9 September 2017 18: 41
        A fighter can shoot down air defense missiles - flying to meet him.
  9. +3
    7 September 2017 11: 51
    Its essence lies in the fact that at the moment a missile leaves the suspension, the onboard radar accurately determines the location of a distant target ... after which its onboard computer calculates a proactive meeting point with the target.

    The article, it seems, has a lot of true technical information, but the presentation and logic itself betrays a person who is poorly versed in the topic.
    Anticipation is used, and has been used for quite some time, even in the Stinger MANPADS, not like in serious air-to-air missiles. Anticipation allows you to seriously win on energy, but it is also the biggest drawback of the rocket - allowing the target to dodge by performing an anti-ballistic maneuver. Remember the stories of our pilots evading the Stingers in Afghanistan.
    1. jjj
      0
      7 September 2017 14: 35
      Then the barmalei began to shoot "doublet"
  10. +2
    7 September 2017 14: 38
    Even a “healthy dose of Ur patriotism" ALWAYS harms, especially in military affairs!
  11. 0
    7 September 2017 16: 52
    The theme is that a miracle rocket is joint. Yes, and the Anglo-Japanese makes you think. Remember Eurofighter? No? But in vain. More about the "Eurocenter" can be remembered. On paper and bank documents.
    In short, fun reading.
  12. +3
    7 September 2017 17: 56
    Damantsev, as always, in his repertoire - everything is lost, panics, forgetting that no one stands still and does not devote the author to new developments.
    "possessing the most long-range and most accurate interceptor missiles in the world" - who owns them? This is the stage of the PROJECT.
    "in the form of ultra-long-range" air killers "PL-12D / 15 / 21D, almost ready for mass production" - yeah, the keyword ALMOST.
  13. +2
    7 September 2017 19: 07
    an interesting article, but there is one nuance that pursues all armaments. At one time, according to advertising data of the 70-80s, the hit percentage of the same aim-7 was 90 percent. But real battles showed 18 percent and so everything is a simple example to this day 22 downed f-18 hornet in Syria was shot down by the second launch of aim-9x roofing felts aim-120 roofing felts but the fact that the aim-9x rocket was the first to go into a heat trap although in all advertising booklets they didn’t work for it. So same instant-29 yugoslav air forces went from 5 aim -120b launched from the most optimal distances where the percentage of hit is 98 percent on papers .Prichom it became zakonomernostyu.vyvod than vyskotehnologichney weapon yet his real expectations.
  14. 0
    7 September 2017 20: 10
    avionics, afar on a rocket, such a rocket is probably worth it, like a 3-4 generation plane ...
    1. 0
      9 September 2017 18: 42
      Yes, just that - 30 million rubles.
  15. +2
    7 September 2017 21: 31
    The duel of armor and shell began a century ago, so far the fight against variable success.
    A duel, well, excuse me, flyers and airmen, so it’s clear that the PLANE with the EARTH-AIR and AIR-AIR missiles goes a little later, but, speed, this is a way to fly past the ticket office, and the more difficult and diverse the GOS, the easier it is to fool it what
    And finally, first bring down, and then pi ......
    And the song about the fliers of the 90s, THEY HAVE STANDED, THEIR GLORY! drinks
  16. 0
    7 September 2017 21: 39
    In general, in a future war, everything will begin with high-atmospheric nuclear explosions, in which all the lezedronica, navigation, and other super-wunderwafers are just wood ...
    1. 0
      7 September 2017 21: 51
      Quote: Ace of Diamonds
      with high-atmospheric nuclear explosions,

      It’s actually, with both aboveground and ground, no one will need to ... belay , and navigation will be jammed, even before that, Without the long loafs, and then there’s a sextant and a chronometer, well, il compass and topographic maps with a grid request
      1. 0
        7 September 2017 22: 00
        and who can read the cards? Not so long ago it was about the glorious striped walking on Geyrop ..
        it's only with us .. You don’t curry favor, you show a finger!
    2. 0
      7 September 2017 21: 53
      Forev radio tubes !!!
  17. 0
    7 September 2017 23: 42
    It’s hard to judge what you don’t know, but if someone is guilty of delaying new developments in rocket engines, then this is a direct sloppiness, if not betrayal.
  18. +1
    8 September 2017 11: 41
    Quote: Inok10
    The author’s claim to knowledge of the basics of radar ended when he confused the range of direct optical visibility with the range of direct radio-technical visibility

    And where does this seem to you?
    Quote: Inok10
    from where he took the source data for comparison, this is a big secret ... or his fantasy ... tongue
    These data are no secret now - they can be easily found by any amateur, especially on the Internet.
    Quote: Inok10
    what they pay for, then sings
    It’s you who I think is doing it.
  19. 0
    8 September 2017 11: 54
    The missile does not follow the target, constantly adjusting and lengthening the trajectory, but is sent to the calculated point, which allows to accelerate the interception time.


    And what will the rocket do if the aircraft is not at the calculated point?
  20. 0
    8 September 2017 16: 19
    After all the conflict with the United States, Russia will never be left behind and will only develop its missile-building program.
    1. +1
      8 September 2017 21: 01
      For drones, we are 20 years behind the United States.
      1. 0
        9 September 2017 06: 58
        And they are EW, ICBMs, air defense systems, tanks, artillery, etc .. attention to the issue. How long will it take us to catch them on drones, and for how much the United States can reach our current level in the above items (I don’t even ask about catching up yet)?
        1. 0
          9 September 2017 10: 38
          I agree with the latter, but EW and ICBMs are doubtful ...
          1. 0
            10 September 2017 11: 06
            They recognized the EW backlog only recently and returned the game to using paper cards and started developing new missiles.
            1. 0
              10 September 2017 11: 08
              About ICBMs. How many mobile ICBMs do they have? When did they make the last ICBM?
              1. 0
                12 September 2017 21: 51
                Why do they need mobile ICBMs?)) Yes, and so forth. The allegations are very controversial ..
        2. 0
          9 September 2017 18: 48
          In artillery, in air defense systems, we also lag behind them, the same THAAD missile defense system, an analogue of our S-500 air defense system - only they have it already in service, and we also have a lag in tank munitions and communication systems.
          1. 0
            10 September 2017 11: 15
            Only in price. And so compare at least the speed of the intercepted target. There he s-400 loses hopelessly.
  21. 0
    8 September 2017 18: 47
    Still drawings to attach
    1. 0
      9 September 2017 18: 51
      They will not help much - there is no necessary technological equipment, and microprocessor too.
  22. +2
    10 September 2017 09: 36
    Quote: kotuk_ha_oxote
    Yah! At first, for 5 years, from every iron we have been talking about characteristics that have no analogs and that the enemy is trembling. And forget to develop, produce, test and adopt.

    Armata, Т50, Coalition, Sarmat, Status-6, Husky and other attributes of virtual victories will not let lie.

    100% agree. It’s just ridiculous to read about how "Americans always overstate, and OURS knowingly underestimate." Is this such a new cheers patriotic? If they shout from every gateway about "having no analogues in the world" - then they are simply modest, but if there is nothing to say at all - then of course "they just secret, but in fact everything is great there!"
  23. +2
    10 September 2017 14: 57
    Quote: kotuk_ha_oxote
    And forget to develop, produce, test and adopt.

    And what about Armata?
    https://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/201709100
    843-v2at.htm
  24. 0
    10 September 2017 21: 53
    Quote: Lena Petrova
    Quote: kotuk_ha_oxote
    And forget to develop, produce, test and adopt.

    And what about Armata?
    https://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/201709100
    843-v2at.htm

    But there is no money for Armata ..
  25. 0
    10 September 2017 22: 02
    "Meanwhile, we recall that even the most powerful airborne radars" Irbis-E "and" Belka "do not determine superiority over the air enemy, which has the most long-range and accurate interceptor missiles in the world."
    There is nothing to worry about. It is enough to hang a bunch of rare R-60Ms (weighing 50 kg each) for a couple of suspension points of Russian Su MiG missiles as a missile defense and the problem with "the most long-range and accurate interceptor missiles in the world." as if not a problem ..)
  26. 0
    13 September 2017 00: 11
    At the aerospace salon MAKS-2011, the model of the Product 620 or K-37ME rocket, which was also called RVV-BD, was first demonstrated. The main feature of the new missile is its range: the possibility of hitting targets at a distance of up to 200 km from the carrier aircraft is declared. The RVV-BD missile is equipped with a type 9B-1103M-350 GOS capable of detecting targets in a 120 ° wide sector. This rocket was launched into series in early 2015. Read the military review of September 23, 2015.
    1. 0
      13 September 2017 00: 58
      “Up to 200 kilometers” - This depends on the EPR of the target, as well as on the capabilities of the fighter’s radar.
  27. +1
    30 September 2017 16: 37
    What are you talking about? 200km limit of air combat missiles. Afar closes the stealth problem at 350km. where further is Americanization? s-400 our borders, what next? the meaning of man-driven aircraft. Nowadays, launching a rocket at 50 km of confidence in its effectiveness O. air vent to 20 real. then fired that 160 with 120 missiles and the duel is resolved? from any missile farther than 50 km and its discovery of 1001 methods to leave.
  28. 0
    21 January 2018 23: 16
    Strange article. Like R-37 doesn’t exist ...
  29. 0
    14 June 2019 16: 37
    the article was written in September 2017, now in 2019 it turns out that, as always, Damant’s extoller of NATO weapons is completely lying, but essentially throws the snot on the fan

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