Bulgaria's Minister of Defense: Gypsy's illiteracy hinders the country's development

A very unexpected statement was made by the Bulgarian Defense Minister Krasimir Karakachanov. Speaking on the air of the Bulgarian National Television, the head of the country's defense department said that the development of Bulgaria is hampered by gypsy illiteracy. According to Karakachanov, it is necessary to take emergency measures to eliminate the illiteracy of the Bulgarian Roma.

The Minister noted that the Gypsy minority is not making efforts to integrate "into the European society of Bulgaria". At the same time, Karakachanov noted that the solution to this problem should be kept without thinking about Brussels.

From the statement of the Minister of Defense, who, as it turns out, more than other Bulgarian officials cares about the literacy of Roma in the country:

The illiteracy among the Gypsy minority is enormous. 206 Thousands of children from 7 to 18 are illiterate. And the vast majority of these children are gypsies. It is necessary to introduce universal training. And it doesn’t interest me that they may have never been to school, and to them 16 years - anyway, let them sit at their desks. They do not even know the language of the country in which they live. It is impossible to follow the path of integration into society without knowing the Bulgarian language. We are talking about rights here. What rights, if they are not possessing the skills of a literate person, do not even want or can not get a normal job.

Minister Karakachanov:

Stop looking at these things from a national perspective. And stop looking at Brussels every time, believing that for this (compulsory) training, they will criticize us from there.

Earlier Karakachanov said it was time to take in hand weaponto protect the EU’s borders from the influx of illegal immigrants and radicals from the Middle East.

For reference: the population of Bulgaria - 7,1 million people. At the same time, Roma are the third largest in the country after ethnic Bulgarians and Turks. Gypsy ethnos in Bulgaria has about 330 thousand people.

Comments

[Vend]

For this, thank the collapse of the USSR and the Soviet bloc of Europe.

[DEPARTMENT]

Gypsies are to blame ... Thank God that they do not blame the Russians.! In my opinion, soon the Bulgarians will not remain! Tolerance

[Thrall]

Brothers are not the same. We exchanged Shipka for a foreign cone ..

[tol100v]

Quote: Thrall

We exchanged Shipka for a foreign cone.

A competent government has abandoned nuclear energy and is now even buying pepper in the Netherlands!

[Shurik70]

But imagine, they will teach gypsies ...
And then what, thought ?? !!

[pytar]

A competent government has abandoned nuclear energy and is now even buying pepper in the Netherlands!

And this and that is not true! Nuclear energy is and will be. The concept of its development has changed.
Bell pepper just buy and Holland, not from Holland!

[Vladimir16]

Quote: pytar

And this and that is not true! Nuclear energy is and will be. The concept of its development has changed.
Bell pepper is just bought in Holland, and not from Holland!

Brother, it's time for you to go to school. Cases, declensions and other wisdom of the Russian language can not you? In this case, write in Latin, or in gypsy ... Are you not a Bulgarian gypsy for an hour?

[pytar]

Not every Russian knows declensions and so on. the wisdom of the Russian language! It’s not a sin for me not to know. And the Cyrillic is Bulgarian. With full right to write on it.

[the right passenger]

The right way, go to cameraden)))

[pytar]

Nobody blames the Russians. Blaming socialism with its insane anti-national practices. This criminal communist ideology in the USSR led to a sharp change in the demographic balance. The share of Russians to other non-Russian nationalities has decreased. In Bulgaria, it was during this period that the share of the Gypsy population increased tenfold. After 90, negative factors were added, but they only accelerated the processes laid down during real "socialism".

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: pytar

Nobody blames the Russians. Blaming socialism with its insane anti-national practices.

Sucks you lived under the wing of the Union? Did they feed you a little? So bring down now in EU - there, maybe, it will be sweeter .... Chicken is not a bird, Bulgaria is not abroad ...

[Vladimir16]

Quote: pytar

Nobody blames the Russians. Blaming socialism with its insane anti-national practices. This criminal communist ideology in the USSR led to a sharp change in the demographic balance.

Yeah......
Probably it’s too late to school, not only is the language lame. Sir, how old are you? Seventeen? good at clever and write nonsense taken from social networks.

Blaming socialism

It was he who was happy and attracted refugees to Europe. The EU is currently a socialist society. Council of Europe Social benefits, payments, subsidies ....
And finally I will say - Socialism, communism European inventions. Like same-sex fucking. Enjoy

[pytar]

Probably it’s too late to school, not only is the language lame. Sir, how old are you? Seventeen? good at clever and write nonsense taken from social networks.

Vladimir, read your comment and had a good laugh !!! Amused! Thank!

It was he who was happy and attracted refugees to Europe. The EU is currently a socialist society. Council of Europe Social benefits, payments, subsidies ....

Somehow it turns out! The Soviet Union for 70 years built socialism and could not. Now in Russia, capitalism is not of the best type. I’m often in the Russian Federation, I see it myself. And the capitalist West, built something very similar to socialism! Paradox?

And finally, I’ll say - Socialism, Communism, European inventions. Like same-sex fucking. Enjoy

Judging by your words, the 70 years of the USSR building socialism, communism has been engaged from the same sex ... excuse me XXX? You don’t be offended, but bearing in mind the past, we don’t want to hear any advice from you anymore ... You want to enjoy it like that ...

[pytar]

Sucks you lived under the wing of the Union?

After all, there is no union for a long time? You sucks lived in it? Why then did you ruin it?

Did they feed you a little?

This is one of your standard propaganda delusions. After all, for 20 years, as you already do not feed anyone! Do you live better? Has the people become richer?

Duc bring down now in the EU

Not your problem. Take care of your problems. You have been teaching the world "how to live" for 70 years, but in the end you yourself have disowned your mantras.

[a housewife]

In which - "this"? Then or now? And why just now preoccupied with the illiteracy of the gypsies? And why didn’t you do it before? Socialism, perhaps, was not good at everything, especially since negative things have nothing to do with socialism. But he followed the literacy of his citizens!

[pytar]

Hello housewife! We always cared about the Roma education. And before under socialism and now under capitalism. Without much success, unfortunately. Just before gypsies were less than now. Well, they don’t want to study, although among them there are exceptions! Their traditional way of life and mentality does not predispose to doctrine.

[a housewife]

There have always been problems with this. But at least primary education we were forced to receive. Before. Now I don’t know. What kind of study can there be when they are married at 12-13 years old? But there are gypsies and gypsies. They are from India. They have two different castes. Higher - study, many get higher education. Engaged in business. The Romen Theater is them. Those who steal, pester fortunetellers on the streets, sell drugs - these are others. And there is nothing to be done. If all European countries had some kind of general legislation with real measures on Roma, something would probably change. And to drive them from country to country and only take repressive measures will give nothing but bitterness. A gypsy child immediately receives pressure from two sides. From home, they inspire him from birth that all around are enemies. And outside the house, he is convinced of this, because no one considers him a person. And we get what we have.

[pytar]

Everybody gets gypsy primary education in our country. It is compulsory in Bulgaria, as is secondary education. Another question is how much is enough to arouse some kind of ambition among gypsies to study further. Units go to higher education. In Bulgaria, no one chases or discriminates against them. No such thing. As a result, the Gypsies are impudent and violate the rights of other ethnic groups and cause a negative attitude towards themselves. In Bulgaria there are Turks, as well as other ethnic and religious minorities. But to none of them, there is no such hostility as to gypsies! Moreover, everyone else reacts the same to them! It is evident that the gypsies themselves are to blame for the fact that they are not particularly respected by Bulgarians and Turks and others. By the way, not all gypsy communities and clans are lonely. There are quite ordinary, hardworking and understanding groups among them.

[INVESTOR]

It is necessary to create a new state, the Great Tsiganiya, and send them all there, including from Russia.

[Vend]

Quote: INVESTOR

It is necessary to create a new state, the Great Tsiganiya, and send them all there, including from Russia.

No one will create a state for gypsies.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Wend

Quote: INVESTOR

It is necessary to create a new state, the Great Tsiganiya, and send them all there, including from Russia.

No one will create a state for gypsies.

Well, why? They created the Jews ... Why would the Roma not give any piece of land .... The Germans did not only shoot the Roma, but also the Roma - maybe they also deserved some Roma? Although it’s all for the future - they’ll wander one hell ....

[Vend]

Quote: Zoldat_A

Well, why? Hebrews were created ... Why would not the Gypsies give some piece of land ....

Because they will not create. There is no excess land in Europe, and no desire either. Yes, and never was.
In England, a law from 1554 introduced the death penalty for male gypsies, and later hanging for all Englishmen who dared to make friends with them or simply make acquaintances.
In Sweden, according to the law of 1637, the Gypsies expected a gallows.
In Mainz, men were executed from the year 1714, and women and children were branded with red-hot iron.
In Moravia and Bohemia, gypsies had their ears cut off.
And in 1725, the King of Prussia Friedrich Wilhelm ordered the extermination of all Roma over the age of eighteen.
You can google this topic, very curious.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Wend

Quote: Zoldat_A

Well, why? Hebrews were created ... Why would not the Gypsies give some piece of land ....

Because they will not create. There is no excess land in Europe, and no desire either. Yes, and never was.
In England, a law from 1554 introduced the death penalty for male gypsies, and later hanging for all Englishmen who dared to make friends with them or simply make acquaintances.
In Sweden, according to the law of 1637, the Gypsies expected a gallows.
In Mainz, men were executed from the year 1714, and women and children were branded with red-hot iron.
In Moravia and Bohemia, gypsies had their ears cut off.
And in 1725, the King of Prussia Friedrich Wilhelm ordered the extermination of all Roma over the age of eighteen.
You can google this topic, very curious.

Civilized Europe, what can I say ... We Oriental barbarians would never have thought of such a thing ....

[Vend]

Quote: Zoldat_A

Civilized Europe, what can I say ... We Oriental barbarians would never have thought of such a thing ....

And we thought of another.
The only country to solve the gypsy issue was the Russian Empire. Wide views and tolerance for a variety of nationalities worked wonders with gypsies. They were not persecuted, accustomed to sedentary life and a civilized way of life. The gypsies turned out to be excellent blacksmiths, were engaged in horse trade, gave performances with trained bears.
Gypsies were appreciated for acting and musical talents. Incendiary gypsy music has become an integral part of Russian culture.
Do not offend the gypsies and the Soviet government. During the Civil War, neither red nor white touched them.
During the Cold War, most European Gypsies concentrated on the territory of the USSR, Romania and Bulgaria. The Gypsies fell under the tough but beneficial socialist press for the nation. Yes, they were forced to work, punished for parasitism and vagrancy, but at the same time they provided new housing and medical care, and most importantly, they drove gypsy children to schools.
As a result of the carrot and stick policy, there was an intensive integration of the nomadic ethnic group into society - over 90% of Roma settled. The level of education has risen sharply, musical culture has flourished. Romals still nostalgically recall the socialist period.

[God save the king]

Quote: INVESTOR

It is necessary to create a new state, the Great Tsiganiya, and send them all there, including from Russia.

They should not be sent to the state, but simply to the oven!

[a housewife]

Is it brutalized? Or a fascist?

[Topotun]

Russian they go first - what are you! But the gypsies came in second place!

[pytar]

The problem with gypsies in Bulgaria is twofold. 1. Demographic imbalance is a sharp increase in the gypsy ethnic group and the Bulgarian ethnic group has waned. 2. Illiteracy is the increasing share of the gypsy population in addition to the difficulties with ego integration in society.
The Bulgarian ethnic group has always had a higher birth rate than gypsies and Turks. A large family / 6-8 children / from the Bulgarians until the middle of the 50-t was a normal occurrence. Until that time, gypsies made up no more than 2-3% of the total population of Bulgaria. The demographic picture has changed dramatically after the forced collectivization of the Soviet model. The Bulgarian countryside, where the people were born, was practically eliminated. The generation of Bulgarians born in the decades after collectivization was 3-4 times smaller than before. The communist government of Todor Zhivkov realized that there was a problem and increased the benefits for the birth of children, but only gypsies benefited from the benefits. Until the end of the 80, the entire total population growth in Bulgaria was generated by Roma, who contributed to the decline in the Bulgarian population. In just 20-25 years, the share of the gypsy population has risen sharply. It turned out that the socialist ideology with its vicious practices introduced from outside led to the genocide of the Bulgarians. Thanks to the USSR! As far as I know, the share of the Russian population in the same USSR in a similar way has changed in comparison with the Russian Empire. As for the widening illiteracy among the gypsies, even during socialism they were not very attracted to science. Just then they were given diplomas, study not study. Yes, and were less than now. After all, the process of destruction and destruction of the Bulgarian ethnos, launched in the 50, is continuing today, for other reasons.

[Mood Ozvon]

Rename Bulgaria to Gypsy and the question is closed, do not worry so much.

[aws4]

and Russia to Dagistan ???

[Mood Ozvon]

In France and other Western countries, are indigenous people also giving birth several times less than before, is the USSR and socialism also to blame?
Destroy your industry and live like 200 years ago, does someone bother you or something? You’ve been a non-socialist country for almost 30 years, and you don’t have to build it — it’s quickly done, learn from the Ukrainians, they destroyed half of the country in 3 years, but for some reason they did not give birth

[pytar]

In France and other Western countries, are indigenous people also giving birth several times less than before, is the USSR and socialism also to blame?

Western countries have other reasons for declining birth rates. But there is similarity with the USSR and social! The current Western societies, like the former socialist ones, are nationally nihilistic! This is one of the factors for the emergence of demographic imbalances between ethnic groups.

Destroy your industry and live like 200 years ago ... For almost 30 years you have been a non-socialist country ... learn from Ukrainians, they destroyed half of the country in 3 years, but for some reason they did not give birth

Advise yourself. We listened to you for 70 years, until you finally gave up your advice and rushed into capitalism! After all, Russia is "... almost 30 years old than a socialist country .."? Or do you have communism ???

[Anarchist]

Bitten every year more and more!
Gypsies, Never and Nowhere, Integrates! Is that only in Romania and Moldova ...

[novel66]

if you wash the gypsy, he can die!

[a housewife]

You tell this to some gypsy! Just don't get too close!

[novel66]

Of course I won’t get any closer - they stink

[a housewife]

Seriously? I watched somehow. A young gypsy girl fluttered out of the bathhouse. Winter was. She's so rosy, funny, smart. A man walked down the street, "joked" - Oh! Gypsies also wash in the bath? The gypsy has already turned white. In the direction of the peasant such matyuki rushed !!! If there wasn’t one gypsy, a man would have been beaten! And in what motley rags they go - do not believe much! These are their overalls. Another picture. Young gypsies are trading near the market with their hands - cosmetics, cigarettes, jewelry. I was picking spices near a kiosk. An old gypsy was sitting nearby, just sitting on a bench. Then this flock of gypsies ran to her. "Grandma, we're in the movies!" Grandmother covered them so slightly from the crowd. I look - theater and nothing more! They took off their rags in a couple of minutes - skirts, blouses, shawls. And under them - the most fashionable clothes. His hair was combed, his grandmother’s handbags were taken, and changed into sandals. Yes, you would not recognize gypsies in them !!! And they went off to rest. A gypsy is such a job!

[novel66]

well, at least it’s clear - otherwise I thought - how do their men tolerate this near

[jonhr]

this is what a fright they integrate with us? they live by their own laws. in other words, the state in the state. in any country they have their own small country. such citizens of the world under the flag of the UN

[Anarchist]

I apologize for my first comment! I, like many others, was committed to the fact that Moldovans, gypsies and Romanians are one nation. But in response to your comment I read some documents. And he found out that What unites these three nationalities is only that they are all from India ...
I can tell a lot of other things, but this is for another article. Once again, I apologize! This is all due to lack of information and their own ignorance ...

[jonhr]

I can tell you that you are personally related to certain people

[Anarchist]

Even it’s incomprehensible you are rude or something. With some people?

[jonhr]

no not rudeness. just a statement

[Anarchist]

A statement of what? Lack of information? It is unclear what you wanted to say! And indeed they wanted to say. What kind of people? What kind of relationship? I specifically gave you a historical example.
What example you give is incomprehensible. again due to lack of information ...

[jonhr]

I also have a lack of information why I come across people who are trying to provoke me to be rude.
that I don’t go through the template and interfere with creating public opinion?

[Anarchist]

As I understand it, you don’t want to say anything concrete. Just Balabolite! When I express my opinion, I always find the right words!

[jonhr]

I'm afraid that here and you personally say something specific will cost me dearly. you do not stand such victims on my part

[protoss]

Quote: Anarchist

read some documents. And I found out that What unites these three nationalities is only that they are all from India

Can you tell me what kind of documents are according to which Moldovans and Romanians suddenly came from India, and not the Romanized descendants of the Geths and Dacians?

[jonhr]

you do not explain to him that the romanized ones are not from the word rum, but from the capital of the Roman Empire, ROMA, that is, ROME in Russian. I honestly feel a little sorry for him. he did not want to expand the horizons of knowledge in school. but in principle it can be connected with some kind of ailment congenital.

[Anarchist]

I did not say that this happened at the same time. Gypsies came from India much later. Here is one selection from many:
Unlike other ethnic groups, ethnologists and historians do not need lengthy studies to prove the continuity of Moldavians in the Carpathian-Dniester-Pontic region; it is confirmed by numerous evidence of anthropological, archaeological, linguistic, etc. character. The continuity of the indigenous population, Moldavians, finds its expression in the long existence of the Indo-European cultural, linguistic, ethnic tradition of the Carpathian-Dniester-Pontic region, which during its existence passed through several major eras in its ethno-cultural development.
Everything is on the Internet. Also information in the Indo-European civilization of its descendants.

[protoss]

Let me ask you, how old are you and what is your education? it is very strange to me that the word "Indo-European" has confused you so much. Do you know that we are also now in the Indo-European language in correspondence, and it has nothing to do with India?

[pytar]

What unites these three nationalities is that they are all from India ...

Moldovans and Romanians, the local autochronous population, have nothing to do with India. Descendants of the Thraco-Dacian tribes. Genetically close to the rest of the Balkan peoples.

[jonhr]

the most interesting thing is that the closest relatives are Albanians. that is, Albanians are Thracians who did not fall under Rome and who retained their original identity

[pytar]

Albanians are considered descendants of the Ilyrians. According to DNA research, they are not related to the Thracian and Dacian tribes. In general, the population of present Serbia, Bulgaria, Macedonia, Northern Greece, Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Romania and Moldova are genetically close to each other. Exceptions are the Greeks and Albanians.

[jonhr]

Romanized Ilyrians were assimilated by Albanians sometime in the 14th century. but this is one of the versions that they are descendants of the Thracians, since phonetically there is a lot in common in our languages. without knowing Albanian and Romanian you won’t understand what language they speak. By the way, as far as I know, there have been no studies in this area. and there is also an intermediate link that possibly makes us related. Aromins living in the former Yugoslavia.
here’s what else I’ve dug up. The Albanian language is the only living heir to the disappeared group of Indo-European languages, to which the languages ​​of the Illyrians and Thracians belonged. so there is some truth about the Irians. but as said above it was the Albanians who assimilated the Ilyrians. they disappeared as a people
by the way about the name of the people. Albanians themselves do not call themselves that, but they are called skippar. And the Albanians called the Illyrian tribe, who lived there before the arrival of Skippar, well, and the name was transferred automatically to him at the place of residence

[pytar]

I’ve been to Albania 2 times. Shkiptaras are interesting people. And their language really, in my ear, resembles Romanian. But I am not a linguist, and I cannot say whether they have a connection or not.

[jonhr]

There are no complaints against you. I voiced one of the versions. but linguistic similarities do exist in precisely those words that do not apply to the Latin language

[Sergo]

What is the name of the person who speaks and then thinks?

[protoss]

donald trump?

[Sergo]

And he speaks here under the nickname Anarchist?

[Anarchist]

My answer to you, like other poorly educated comrades, is higher. Read carefully. It is unfortunate that due to their lack of knowledge, people are moving to outright rudeness! And this only shows the level of education ...

[Sergo]

They did not howl that the Romanians, Moldavians and Gypsies are one ethnic group. And then in another comment they said that they had already been informed and the previous comment was not correct?
That is, the first comment you wrote from your head, essentially not knowing the topic.

[Anarchist]

I knew the topic, but forgot some facts that turned out to be key! Then again took these sources and re-read. And in the end, he found the strength to apologize. Confess!
A fault confessed is half redressed!
I would understand if you would convict me of this! And I showed you my knowledge of the topic below! Because I have sources that you have not even heard of ...
And mind you, I do not offend you.

[Sergo]

Imagine if I would insult the Russian people and then say: mind you, I did not insult you

[a housewife]

Are they all from India? This is where they write this? You at least take an interest in their languages. And you, on the grounds that the gypsies call themselves "Roma"? So these are just those from Romania. And no others! And there is such a city - Rome. And in Italian - Roma. They also came out of India? I find it funny! ABOUT! I read on. You affirm this on the grounds that they belong to the Indo-European peoples! You will have a laugh !!! Did you go to school ?! Almost all European nations belong to the Indo-EUROPEAN !!! Russians also! And the British. And so the white Americans!

[Anarchist]

Enjoy it! I hope you enjoy it. And henceforth do not confuse linguistic affiliation with genealogical
BESSARABIA (1903 edition)


Brief information about the tribes inhabiting the Bessarabian province







Moldavians.


Moldovans or Romanians make up the main part of the population of the Bessarabian province, almost 3/4 of the total number of inhabitants. The districts of Chisinau, Orhei, Belets and Soroca are almost exclusively populated by them; in Khotinsky district they are mixed with Rusyns - the primitive inhabitants of northern Bessarabia; in Bender, Ackerman and Izmail, with aliens from different places: Little Russians, Great Russians, Bulgarians, Germans, etc.

The close relationship of the Moldavian language with the Latin root languages, the long stay of the Roman legions in the Danube countries, the very name of the “Romanians” (Roman Romans) leave no doubt about the origin of this tribe from the Romanized peoples that inhabited Misia and partly Dacia Traian (most likely, the Getae and bastorns) and Roman colonists. According to Rössler, Jung, Tomaszek and Pigou, whose views are shared by our scientists: Vasilievsky, Uspensky, and Grotto, Romanians or Volokhs (fleas, Vlachs) migrated from Mysia and, in general, from the countries between the Danube and the Balkans to the mountainous regions of Transylvania and the neighboring area of ​​Ugria in the X-XIII centuries. The Bulgarians, the first to come to the Misia from the banks of the Volga, designated by the name “Vlachs” or “Vlachs” those farmers and shepherds with whom they entered into relations. Hungarians, as well as Poles, Croats, Bohemians and other peoples of the Slavic root, also called Romanians (like all Italians) Vlachs. Some even believe that the word "wahlah" is borrowed from the Slavic root and, according to the way the word "romyn" is used (strong, strong), is translated into the Wallachian language with the unambiguous word "lousy". Maybe, as Grimm believes, Romanians are a semi-Slavic-semi-Latin tribe. The Russians call the Romanians Moldavians by the name of one of the Romanian principalities, descended from the Molda River, in which, according to legend, the beloved dog of the founder of the Principality of Dragos drowned.

Moldavians are a peaceful, deceased tribe, still unable to forget the long centuries of oppression. His sad past responds to folk legends and beliefs, and sounds in dull songs, endless, like centuries of grief experienced by him.

Bessarabian Moldavians speak spoiled Latin dialect mixed with so many Slavic words; their language retained the more originality of the ancient Roman language than even the Italian language, in which the additives made by the Goths, Vandals and Longobards are clearly felt. So for example:

Latin. Italian. Moldovan.
Civitas Citta Cetate
Dominus Signor
Caput Testa Capul (Cap)
Verbum Parola Vorba
Mensa Tavola Masa
Albus Bianco Alba
Incipio Commincio Anchai



The Slavic words are borrowed by the Moldavian language, probably even from the Ants and Wends (even if the Getae are not considered the ancestors of the Slavs), but to a much more significant extent, thanks to the proximity of Moldova to Russia, Poland, Bulgaria and Serbia and the kindred ties to which the Moldovan princes entered with neighboring rulers. Even more because during the movement of the Slavic peoples, before and after the XNUMXth century along R. X., from the north to the Danube and beyond the Danube, present Bessarabia and Romania were filled with Slavs; and that, in dividing the churches into eastern and western, the Wallachian and Moldavian principalities accepted, as Cantemir states, the Slavic letters that appeared in their writing from the time of Alexander the Good and the Moldavian Metropolitan Feoktist.

Judicial acts and princely letters were also written in Slavic. Such letters of ownership of land can also be seen now preserved by the descendants of some boyars (for example, the Donichs). In view of this, many Slavic words came into general use and became almost indigenous, so the Moldavian language was based on the Latin and Slavic languages.

Transylvanian liars in their dialect have less Slavic words, having adopted many Hungarian words; the fleas living beyond the Danube, in Rumelia, mixed their language with a simple Greek dialect, in which their church books were written.

Moldovan - a commoner has a character alien to energy and daring, prone to peaceful activities. He is quiet and secretive, although often southern nature is manifested by flashes of ardor, revenge and ticklish pride. But, in general, he is kind and compassionate. Its exterior is worn with traces of southern origin, softened by the Slavic type. Moldovan is usually taller than average and has a dry, muscular physique. Most have black hair, expressive physiognomy, dark eyes, thick eyebrows and a mustache. Their movements are sluggish and clumsy, and the gait is slow and heavy; chest and neck are always open. Almost everything shaves beards: perhaps this is the remainder of the rule of the Romanian principalities, in which a beard was considered a privilege and it could be worn exclusively by first-class boyars.

The Moldavian woman, for the most part, is above average height, is slender, with her shoulders and chest lowered, with thick dark hair. Her face is not correct: she has a low forehead, prominent cheekbones, a sharp nose and, in general, curvature prevails over roundness in the contour lines. The dark-skinned skin color, dark, shiny, full of fire, eyes, graceful, then lazy, then fast, impetuous and passionate movements give the Moldavian woman many features and charms typical of women of the south. Moldavian, by nature, is kind, but passionate and her southern nature is sharply expressed in the extremes of a female character.

A woman-village, provided on her own husband’s carelessness, is always made prudent and thrifty. Modest and obedient to her husband, she is often lifeless with strangers. Hence - a frequent separation from married relatives of the villagers, even to the detriment of their own well-being

[Sergo]

Something is there, but as is characteristic of Russian authors, there are standard Great Russian cliches, for example: Rusyns - the primitive inhabitants of northern Bessarabia. The question is sooo controversial. All Ukrainians in northern Bessarabia came from Galicia. The fact is that in Moldova always the official religion was Orthodoxy, and in Galicia Catholicism was under the Poles. Due to discrimination of the Orthodox there, there was an insignificant but constant influx of Ukrainians in Moldova, including Bessarabia. These authors like to give an example that at the end of the 19th century a quarter of the population of Bessarabia were Ukrainians or (Little Russians), and in Khotinsky district they even accounted for a little more than half. But at the same time, these authors forget that at the time of the capture of Bessarabia, Ukrainians made up 1-5% of the population and did not constitute the majority anywhere. So, as indicated in the article (although I never heard the word Rusyns in Moldova), the serious author is unlikely to hint about the primitiveness of Ukrainians or Rusyns.

[Anarchist]

Sergo, you haven’t even heard of this publication, and now you are making yourself an expert! Strange Transformation, from outright rudeness to intellectual reasoning ...
As for Rusinov. This is the publication of 1903, it is clear that over the years many nationalities have assimilated with others. You read new authors, but forget that all their knowledge is based on old sources! If it’s not about genetic research, of course ...
I talked about documents, I talked about old documents, you will not regret the time and read old sources. They will find a lot of new things for themselves, What modern authors prefer to keep silent about!
Of course, I do not hope for your apologies, but in the future try to do without unnecessary rudeness ...
Especially in the absence of an opponent!

[Sergo]

If you aren’t in the know, then I’m Moldovan and about the history of my native land, I think it will be modest if I say that I read more than you. Especially since you insulted me first, and all the people.

[Anarchist]

I forgot to add the main thing. The remaining ethnic groups of Bessarabia are not indicated Just because all the information does not fit in one comment. The source itself, its name is indicated above, you can Subtract from other peoples of the region. The publication is on the Internet. I cited as an example only an excerpt from it on the topic that we are discussing ...

[Sergo]

The problem of Roma is acute in Romania precisely because it was there that the assimilation of Roma was least likely to take place. In the entire history of the Romanian principalities, gypsies were slaves, the lower class. Naturally, no one wanted to mingle with them. According to the genetic data, gypsy blood is missing in Romanians. In Hungarians it is up to 10%.

[jonhr]

Romanians honestly very upset

[irazum]

The "Brothers" is always someone to blame, then the Turks, then the Gypsies ... And the Russians always gave their lives for them.

[To be or not to be]

Born: March 29, 1965 (52 years old), Rousse, Bulgaria
Political Party: VMRO - Bulgarian National Movement ""
What's not clear ? -NATIONAL movement!

[a housewife]

Well, national. Nationalists are not Nazis. Although the name may not reflect everything. I do not know the basics of this party, therefore I will not draw conclusions. Do you know?

[pytar]

VMRO - Inner Macedonian Revolutionary Organization. A patriotic organization with a centuries-old history, mainly related to the struggles of the Bulgarians in Macedonia for national liberation and accession to Bulgaria.

[Gray brother]

EU - give me money, otherwise I’d like to eat so much that there’s nowhere to spend the night))) But the matter, of course, is good)))

[DEPARTMENT]

Quote: Gray Brother

EU - give me money, otherwise I want to eat so much that there’s nowhere to spend the night)))

And the EU gives the "needy" along with the US ... heh heh

Classic !!!

[Gray brother]

Quote: DEPARTMENT

Classic !!!

Immortal movie

[Svarog51]

I understand that it’s not patriotic, but quite nice.
Senior Robinson explains Friday how the bank works.

[arane]

Apparently so ..........

[faiver]

and so from where all the troubles in Bulgaria come from ...., he apparently talked with Matsarevich

[demo]

The illiteracy among the Gypsy minority is enormous. 206 Thousands of children from 7 to 18 are illiterate. And the vast majority of these children are gypsies. It is necessary to introduce universal training. And it doesn’t interest me that they may have never been to school, and to them 16 years - anyway, let them sit at their desks. They do not even know the language of the country in which they live. It is impossible to follow the path of integration into society without knowing the Bulgarian language. We are talking about rights here. What rights, if they are not possessing the skills of a literate person, do not even want or can not get a normal job.

Gypsies, if not ashamed, will not be able to read a single line about the new principles of the structure of life among Europeans.
They will not know that today it is not right to say dad and mom. And you need to say parent 1 and parent 2.
Gypsies, because of their illiteracy, will not understand that it is wonderful that people of the same sex live in the family.
Illiterate and non-tolerant gypsies will not feel the taste of joy and pleasure of the realization that one can drop their culture and customs for the sake of arriving foreign migrants.
Which by the way, just do not know how to read and write in the national language of the Bulgarians.
That's what the illiteracy of the gypsies brings to.
And if they were literate, they would be Bulgarians.
With all that it implies.

[Hurricane70]

Let the mattresses provide them with a place to settle, democratically help them choose the supreme baron!

[Mood Ozvon]

Madagascar?

[Plombir]

Keyword ELIMINATE! And who, or what, is the tenth matter. It looks like the Minister of DEFENSE is easier to eliminate the gypsies.

[Herculesic]

And what can he offer? After all, they need to somehow solve the problem?

[novel66]

aloizych with gammler were able to decide - complete unity!

[andrewkor]

In the Third Reich, the problem of cyan was radically solved without spending money on their education!

[odometer]

Not everything was so simple with the Gypsy and Jewish issues ... For example, German Gypsies served in the Dirlewanger battalion.

[Incvizitor]

Something the ministers of defense have autumn aggravation.

[Reserve buildbat]

No jokes, but we have these illiterate gypsies who do not know the Russian language can be no less than the population of Bulgaria. And the same story is that "They don’t even know the language of the country in which they live ... ... We are talking about rights. What rights, if they, without the skills of a competent person, do not even want or cannot get a job normal work. "
The main words here - DO NOT WANT. It’s easier for them to steal, cheat and sell drugs, which is what they do.

[novel66]

send them to Bulgaria - let them do garbage there

[Reserve buildbat]

To do this, you must first all the policemen, their roof, put to the wall.

[Sewer krainiy]

Quote: Thrall

Brothers are not the same. We exchanged Shipka for a foreign cone ..

In 1970-72, somewhere like that, he studied at Odessa University. The Bulgarian studied at the course. Even then - arrogance, money ... a bunch of our students revolved around. Even then, I did not consider him "brother". It's a shame, however. Not because of money, of course, because Shipka, Slavic history, memory. Which was confirmed.

[pytar]

The Bulgarian studied at the course. Even then - arrogance, money ... a bunch of our students revolved around.

... more precisely students! Admit that you were jealous! This is where your personal non-blissfulness went!

[midshipman]

As it Karakachanov said that 206 thousand gypsy children out of 330 thousand gypsies in Bulgaria are illiterate. There, that some gypsy children live. Where are the adult gypsies?
Often in Soviet times, I had to travel on business in this country. There was no such problem there. Brothers expand NATO further, you won’t have it yet. The Russians will not release you anymore. I have the honor.

[jonhr]

adults in England and France. create a positive image for Bulgaria and Romania.

[To be or not to be]

The problem was both gypsy and Turkish.
So in June - August 1984, over 300 thousand people left the Bulgarian .. Turkey .. Bulgarian Turks.

[alatanas]

Yes, but in 1989, and then all those who were no higher than the 8 class of education returned from there. The rest remained in Turkey with the gift of their education, which was then unpaid in Bulgaria. Until now, they have dual citizenship and receive Bulgarian pensions and are taken to Bulgaria to vote for free during the elections by their buses. When they need to join the ranks of the Turkish army in order to fight against the Kurds, they flee to Bulgaria, etc.
In general, this issue is more complex and worthy of a separate discussion and is not related to gypsies in Bulgaria.

[alstr]

In fact, someone is lying. The population (and gypsies in particular) is correct, but the number of illiterates is not correct.

Here are the correct literacy data:
"Literacy of the population

According to our estimates, in Bulgaria about 5 people over 991 can read and write in any language. This represents 431% of the total adult population. In this case, the adult population means all people over 15 years old. Accordingly, about 98.39 people are still illiterate.

The literacy rate among the male adult population is 98.73% (2 people). 845 752 people are illiterate.
The literacy rate among the female adult population is 98.07% (3 people). 145 679 people are illiterate.

The youth literacy rate is 98.21% and 97.78% for men and women, respectively. The overall literacy rate among youth is 98%. The concept of youth in this case covers the population aged 15 to 24 years inclusive.

Source: The data for the "Literacy of the population of Bulgaria" section is based on the latest data published by the UNESCO Institute for Statistics (data was taken on March 13, 2016) "

[ZVO]

Well, as usual, the notebooks "Urya-Urya" immediately pounced on the Bulgarian.
And he is intolerant and stuff, stuff, stuff ...
and just a couple of people wrote the truth.
The fact that gypsies are a parasite nation.
They don’t study in shuol, they don’t work, they don’t serve in the army, they steal, they are the main drug distribution channel in the countries where they are present.
But on the other hand, they consume medical services, various allowances and benefits (which most of you have not even heard of), pensions (which you receive without having worked even a day in your life).
And the states condone this.
But you can’t.
Gypsies are no longer a nation - everything has long been there ... smiling ...
... and degenerate.
Therefore, they are the main suspects in the disappearance, theft of children.
Blood is renewed.
Gypsy is a way of life.
must be eradicated ...

[jonhr]

blood renewal will not help them. how were the Indians and will remain.
and about eradicating it in what way? they live according to their own laws and it’s violet to them that some official wants them to live according to the laws of the country where they live

[ZVO]

Quote: jonhr

blood renewal will not help them. how were the Indians and will remain.
and about eradicating it in what way? they live according to their own laws and it’s violet to them that some official wants them to live according to the laws of the country where they live

To deprive all undeservedly received benefits and benefits ...
Pension. free medicine. children's allowances.
All the same, they "do not work out" before the state in any way.
Not an army. neither labor, nothing.
half assimilated within 10-15 years.

[jonhr]

a funny incident occurred in the early 2000s in one county in Romania. the mayor of the city gathered all the roma in one district and provided them with work. however, they were there under the supervision of the gendarmerie so as not to leave the area. So the romals took and filed a lawsuit against the mayor. it was funny to me when the mayor really said in a malicious form that he provided them with housing and work, and they sued him

[nedgen]

Many thanks to ZVO, finally one really objective opinion was found. Indeed, in Russia, the problems with cyganes are absolutely the same and even to some extent even greater. All the same, there are fewer gypsies in Bulgaria and there is no theater of their own. :)

[pytar]

Well, as usual, the notebooks "Urya-Urya" immediately pounced on the Bulgarian.

This is some already signal! And you respect!

[Altona]

But aren't the gypsies in power there at all? This is another question.

[alatanas]

Still not, but years through 30 they will talk about the Bulgarian minority in the population of this point of the Balkans
probably.

[alatanas]

In the days of socialism, they were forced to learn at least until the 8 class. They could write and read. They served in the army mainly in the construction troops, where they were trained in street professions. And now they are consumed by politicians as an electorate during the elections. As the "democracy" began, some of them massively waved "over the hill" to do dirty tricks as gypsies, but as Bulgarian citizens. Create the image of "swarthy and stealing Bulgarians." In the West, all kinds of “liberalist” organizations can talk about infringement of the rights of minorities, but if the gypsies are so nice to them, let them take them irrevocably.
What the minister expressed is a problem and one cannot close his eyes to it. Brussels will not help.
And here you have screwed up the communists - who is what a lot!
PS now probably will begin ....
You Bulgarians since the 681 traitors ...

[Paranoid50]

Quote: alatanas

And now they are consumed by politicians as an electorate during the elections.

Quote: alatanas

In the West, all kinds of “liberalist” organizations can talk about infringement of the rights of minorities, but if the gypsies are so nice to them, let them take them irrevocably.

So, it turns out that your politicians will not let them go. How - such a strong "asset", elective "interest". Is the circle closed?

[Weyland]

Quote: alatanas

You Bulgarians since the 681 traitors ...

No, then back in 665 — when, after the death of Kubrat, his sons (including Asparuh, who is so respected in Bulgaria) betrayed their brother Batbayan and their country, destroying the Great Bulgaria. Well, Asparuh with Kotrag, at least instead of the lost territories, managed to grab new ones, and Coober with Alcek - they all surrendered everything and merged everything!

[alatanas]

On this issue, I propose to discuss in a "personal", because it is very far from the topic that is commented here, if you do not mind of course.

[Weyland]

Quote: alatanas

since it is very far from the topic that is commented here

Well, it’s you who began to recall the 681st year

[alatanas]

Because he assumed what would happen. Not in the first, it seems. And somehow it doesn’t work to remember - it’s too young, just the 1960 year of birth.

[Altona]

Quote: Stroibat stock

No jokes, but we have these illiterate gypsies who do not know the Russian language can be no less than the population of Bulgaria.

----------------------
There is such a thing, a young gypsy in a supermarket asked me to show wine with the label "Cahors". I can’t read, she says.

[Altona]

Quote: alatanas

And here you have screwed up the communists - who is what a lot!

---------------------------
Do you propose to come to you again on a tank as in 1945?

[alatanas]

Gypsy literacy teach?

[novel66]

teach everyone and everything!

[alatanas]

Okay, teach how you want and how you can. We have a holiday today. Your task is what is Bulgaria celebrating today?

[alatanas]

as in 1944, after the 5 of September and without casualties on your part

[vasilev]

Quote: Plombir

It looks like the Minister of DEFENSE is easier to eliminate the gypsies.

And this would be one of the prudent decisions, the gypsy people are a parasite. They live at the expense of others, do not work, poison young people with drugs and steal.

[Black5Raven]

And evidence is easy to find on every piece of land in Europe. Russia, Ukraine, Belarus - Gypsies sell drugs (and they are roofed because everyone knows who is selling, but the police have no time for them), they steal, make a fool, kill and other delights. Well, or cut the gas pipes and stick to the pipe.

Romania, Bulgaria, France - wherever there are gypsies, a similar situation is observed. Tabor goes to heaven was not the worst idea, no matter how wild it sounds.

[Altona]

Quote: alatanas

Gypsy literacy teach?

---------------------------
We’ll probably figure out who to teach what on the spot.

[alatanas]

Come, it’s possible not on the tank - we’ll drink brandy with salad and we will figure out how to teach gypsies

[Tolstoevsky]

Quote: stock buildbat

It’s easier for them to steal, cheat and sell drugs, which is what they do.

. That is, they are doing the same thing as the Bulgarian government

[alatanas]

Like all other governments.

[Curious]

I lived for two years in Sofia and half a year in Skopje. Both Gypsies live approximately the same in slums.

But the problem is that they do not want to live differently. They built housing. They turn it into slums. They comb garbage, collect waste. The Balkan gypsies are very different from ours. Some pariahs. In Skopje, this ghetto is generally in the center of the city. Any defense minister living in the neighborhood of such neighborhoods will be supported, even if he sends tanks there.

[protoss]

well, in neighboring Turkey, hundreds of thousands of gypsies are completely integrated - they keep the flower business and are engaged in agriculture. drugs, too, seem to be traded, like everywhere else.
but no gypsy pogroms, etc. it didn’t seem to happen.

[pytar]

As far as I know, in Turkey there are special laws for Roma. For some reason ...

[Black5Raven]

Yes, let them take everyone, we will have less headaches.

[vetlan19]

Quote: Anarchist

Gypsies, Never and Nowhere, Integrates! Is that only in Romania and Moldova ...

Just do not flog the nonsense! Isn't the Roman Theater integration?
Recently I watched a film about Gypsies - Heroes of the Great Patriotic War, there is not one gypsy hero, there are many of them. I don’t remember the channel, about 3 weeks have passed, look for yourself.
https://readovka.ru/news/744
And in Yandex, type the text: gypsies are the heroes of the great Patriotic war
Of course, I myself was surprised by this, but the film seriously changed my attitude to the Gypsies.
You cannot row everyone with one comb, you must answer first of all for yourself and only for yourself without inventing anything for others.
Well done minister!
No one could insert a word for the persecuted aloud, without looking at Uncle.
And this is also correct: "....... Previously, Karakachanov stated that it was time to take up arms in order to protect the EU’s borders from the influx of illegal immigrants and radicals from the Middle East ......."

[oldzek]

my father had a gypsy friend. he worked as a cold shoemaker. in Leningrad, on the corner near the house of Belyshev, Commissioner Aurora. a normal, hard-working man, fought.

[security guard]

I haven’t met gypsies yet so that they don’t know the Russian language ... well, and integration ... for them it is equal to assimilation, that is, death, they will never go for it. easier to send to the historical homeland, towards bukuresti;)

[Sergo]

In fairness, it is worth saying that in Bucuresti in the Middle Ages, Gypsies came from Russia

[vetlan19]

THE BURDEN OF GYPSIES (2016) VIEW ONLINE
http://kinodoks.ru/370-bremya-cygan-2016-smotret-
online.html
Slichenko: Easy like that - dunk with one paint, and all the people in this paint are ....

[Berkut24]

Yeah, the Bulgarians themselves are terrifying as literate ... Defenders of Europe ... And why does the whole country live like in the Middle Ages?

[alatanas]

Do you know how the Bulgarians lived (lived) in the Middle Ages, when Russia was not?
By the way, the source of this Russia is the kingdom of that time under the control of father Ivan Groznov
(maybe Grozny - not sure), and affirmed by the father of Peter I.
And the letter, by the way, came to you with ready-made Bulgarian books when the Byzantines "baptized" you.

[Curious]

And who baptized you, only a little earlier? And about the books in more detail, please.

[alatanas]

When we were baptized, there were no Slavic books and no ABCs. They were then created.
Do you know why the "Cyrillic alphabet" is so named and who created it (the alphabet on which we all write)?

[Curious]

We know, the Greeks Constantine and Michael (Cyril and Methodius)

[nedgen]

Well, even who created the Cyrillic alphabet do not know. Firstly, Konstantin and Mikhail were Bulgarians by mother and secondly they created not a Cyrillic alphabet but a glagolitic. Look in nete how it looks. Line two read something. In addition, she has 44 characters. But the Cyrillic alphabet was created after their death on the basis of the Greek alphabet and the ancient Bulgarian ideographic writing (about half the characters) in Plisk by the students of Cyril and Methodius (Clement, Naum, Sava, Angelarius and Gorazd). Clement named the Cyrillic alphabet of this alphabet in honor of his teachers Cyril and Methodius. I’m almost sure that moderators will delete my post (I wrote once on this topic and the post was safely deleted). The glagolitic was created by order of the Byzantine Patriarch Photius somewhere around 855, and the Cyrillic by order of Tsar Boris after he was informed by Clement of Ohrid that the glagolitic is very difficult to learn (according to the Greek biographer Clement of Ohrid - Theophylact of Ohrid). Something like this.

[Curious]

In history (if we consider it as a science) there are generally accepted points of view, but there are simply points of view.
According to the generally accepted point of view, Cyril and Methodius are Greeks from Thessaloniki (present-day Thessaloniki). Naturally, in multinational Byzantium it is impossible to speak with absolute certainty about nationality. Therefore, there are other versions.
So, among the Slavophiles at the end of the XNUMXth century, the point of view prevailed that Cyril and Methodius were Slavs (not Bulgarians), which can be read about in the then Brockhaus and Efron. In Bulgarian historiography, Cyril and Methodius are considered to be Bulgarians. These are all options. I repeat, while officially Cyril and Methodius are Greeks.
The same is in Cyrillic. Clement of Ohrid is one of the options.
Common in modern historiography - Cyril and Methodius.
So I see no reason to delete your comment. It contains a summary of existing, but not generally accepted points of view.
No more.

[nedgen]

The fact of the matter is that very often the so-called the generally accepted point of view is the same myth as the fact that Cyril and Methodius created the Cyrillic alphabet (although you do not consider this a myth ) By whom nationality Cyril and Methodius were really not reliably known. It is only known that their father was called Leo and he was the highest dignitary ("Dungarium" his name is Greek Leon and he could be even a Syrian, but most likely was Greek). And who their mother was, history has not preserved, BUT IT CANNOT create an ABC without knowing the language thoroughly. So most likely they knew the language from their mother. Otherwise, bearing in mind that Cyril traveled very often abroad on diplomatic matters and died only at the age of 42, he hardly had the opportunity to learn the language at school As for the Slavs. Then (in the Middle Ages) NOBODY and NEVER heard about the Slavs because the term Slavs and Slavs appeared only in the 19th century. So sorry BUT the Ecumenical Patriarch Photius in 855 could NOT order Cyril and Methodius to create a SLAVIC ABC just because no one called the Slavs the Slavs IN ANY ONE DOCUMENT THOSE YEARS AND TILL THE 19TH CENTURY, THERE IS NO SUCH NAME. In addition, documents from those years where it is indicated that Cyril and Methodius in 855-856 in the BULGARIAN REGION Bregalnitsa converted to Christianity are preserved. USING THE NEW ALPHABET somewhere around 50 Bulgarians (indicated are the Bulgarians).
According to Clement of Ohrid - The same story. Another generally accepted myth is that he is no one and his name is in no way. (And why then is he one of the seven holy weekly figures and what would it be ??) I pointed out where the children are present (the data was brought by his GREEK BIOGRAPH - Theophylact of Ohrid). The fact that school textbooks in the USSR (Russia, Ukraine and even Bulgaria) indicate that Cyril and Methodius created the Cyrillic rather means that a lie repeated 1000 times becomes true.
Another example: In the West they believe that they defeated Hitler and they have a point ACCEPTED !!! So what? Is it really the truth ???
So what is written in history textbooks does not at all mean a COMMON ACTION POINT FOR THE MORE TRUTH for historians. I can give you another example of a COMMON ACCEPTED VISION. Kurt (Kubrat in Greek transcription) (eta transcription is also generally accepted, but also not correct as the name Asparuh is the true name of ISPER and was proved by Soviet archaeologists who found his burial place on the site of the Zaporizhzhya reservoir in the 30s).

[Curious]

I presented to you the point of view not from textbooks, but the generally accepted point of view of historians. Everything else is in favor of the poor. The same about the Slavs. It is generally accepted that since the XNUMXth century the Greeks have been operating with the term Slavs precisely as neighboring tribes and military opponents. Your theories so far can only claim the title of shtetl. Although knowledge is not absolute, and perhaps after some time, based on the facts received, something will change.
There below, another prominent small town expert is eager to enlighten who invented who and when and where.

[Curious]

And about Asparuh. The so-called Kichkassky or Voznesenovsky treasure was discovered in 1930 not on the site of the Zaporozhye reservoir, but on the so-called site “A”. Now it is a district of the city of "Kichkas".
The version that this burial of Khan Asparuh was put forward by J. Werner in 1980 (Der Grabfund von Malaja Perescepina und Kuvrat, Kagan der Bulgaren. - Munchen, 1984.). This version is popular, of course, only in Bulgaria, especially after the film “Bulgaria. Stara Velika Bulgaria. ”
As for historians, they have several versions. starting from the fact that it is the grave of Prince Svyatoslav and to the fact that it is a burial complex of the Khazars.
Even dating has a spread from the XNUMXth to the XNUMXth centuries. Therefore, there is no need to talk about any specifics.
Therefore, in Zaporozhye, even two monuments were erected. And Asparuh, and Svyatoslav.

[nedgen]

Quote: Curious

I presented to you the point of view not from textbooks, but the generally accepted point of view of historians. Everything else is in favor of the poor.

Yes, I do not want to if you show me at least TWO historians on the same positions on all issues, I am very surprised. And the generally accepted point of view (conditionally of course) is reflected EXACTLY in textbooks (both for pupils and students in history), and if you don’t understand how they themselves expressed themselves in a bliss, who believes.

Quote: Curious

The same about the Slavs. It is generally accepted that since the XNUMXth century the Greeks have been operating with the term Slavs precisely as neighboring tribes and military opponents.

Well, yes, and about all the descendants to the territory that the western that of the Eastern Roman Empire, the Romans spoke of barbarians or vandals by the name of one of the first predecessors, and as I pointed out to you in a personal (with some correction), the Eastern Roman chroniclers spoke of SLAVES and not Slavs.

Quote: Curious

Your theories so far can only claim the title of shtetl. Although knowledge is not absolute, and perhaps after some time, based on the facts received, something will change.

Unfortunately, this is not my theory, but RESEARCH of famous historians based on historical documents.
Regarding the fact that something can change, it is unlikely.
Unfortunately, the historian (or at least people writing history books) is the third oldest profession after venal women and spies. And they are more likely to compete with corrupt women because all the same the story is written by the winners and powers of the world, so at least get Cyril and Methodius out of the grave and announce who created the Cyrillic and Glagolitic all over the world media until you enter school textbooks Eto argue more and more with YOU not worth the time and labor. After all, I'm just a small-town conspiratorial theorist and I’m going to overthrow Cyril and Methodius who personally created the Cyrillic alphabet for the Russians

[pytar]

Curious - We know, the Greeks Constantine and Michael (Cyril and Methodius)

Ha ha ha ha ... Curiouslybut you don’t even know who where and when created the alphabet you are writing to! Everything! It would be funny if it were not sad.

[Curious]

Well, it is clear that we are all in the darkness of ignorance and only thanks to you we will know, if you deign, who gave us the opportunity to express our thoughts on paper.

[pytar]

Not all of you. Just a few of you.

[Curious]

As for some of you, I agree completely.

[a housewife]

So we got not a letter, but a Cyrillic alphabet. Where did the ancient Russian writing go? And without the Cyrillic alphabet, our writing would have developed perfectly.

[Curious]

Sub-Cyrillic writing is a hypothetical subject.

[Berkut24]

Quote: alatanas

Do you know how the Bulgarians lived (lived) in the Middle Ages, when Russia was not?
By the way, the source of this Russia is the kingdom of that time under the control of father Ivan Groznov
(maybe Grozny - not sure), and affirmed by the father of Peter I.
And the letter, by the way, came to you with ready-made Bulgarian books when the Byzantines "baptized" you.

Why are you telling me now about the Middle Ages? Bulgaria during the time of the Warsaw Pact was much more literate; you had industry there and agriculture at a different level. The authorities did not hobble European democracy, the education for the children was wise. And the gypsies were at work.
I'm talking about the current time. One of the poorest countries of Ceyevrope. And the current level of your education corresponds to the role that you have been prescribed in the EU.
And yes - they "lived" and "Ivan the Terrible." And so with the Russian language you are quite worthy. Come to us to study, live and work.

[alatanas]

He lived and studied from the 1965 to the 1972. Last time was in 2001.

[pytar]

Yeah, the Bulgarians themselves are terrifying as literate ... Defenders of Europe ... And why does the whole country live like in the Middle Ages?

Normally literate. No worse than others in the east or west. Bulgarian school education programs are more difficult than in Western Europe for example. Bulgaria lives normally, with its problems like everyone else. Some relationships are better, and some worse than Russia. I often visit the Russian Federation and can compare. The question is why in Russia, which is on the 2-th place in the world in terms of natural wealth per capita, does the same population live so poorly?

[Berkut24]

How poor? In more detail, please ... I’ve traveled all over the country and visited all sorts of holes. Tell me, Nuka. There is no need for official statistics - it’s official for that, in order to take into account only dry papers.

[pytar]

You are seen in the wrong country .... Often / not the average / paid salary is 15-20 thousand rubles!

[Berkut24]

I live in that same country. I wrote about dry papers in the analysis. People work for black or gray salary! Farmers generally rarely show real reporting and how many cattle he has or what kind of crops he has harvested - no one will check. Private construction crews do not break anyone's checks. In addition, even where the full salary is really 15-20 thousand, many do not have a bad farm or part-time job.
Although there are those who really have a minuscule. But in our country there are not enough workers, in fact, there is work and whoever wants to, he earns. Migrant workers and Ukrainians stupidly come and earn. And whoever does not want to upgrade their qualifications or does not want to move to another region is a sin to complain. Such in any situation will be miserable. Well, after all, this is true for all countries of the world, and in New York, beggars stand on the street ...

[pytar]

From your words it turns out that in the Russian Federation a mess. The gray economy is blooming! Summarized everything that you write is: "The Russian people now live better because their real incomes are higher than official ones." I will refrain from expressing an opinion, but I repeat - I will often visit Russia and know very well how differentiated your society is, and in different regions the situation is different for you. Capitalism is not at its best. Whatever it was, it’s better to deal with ordering your country, and Bulgaria will somehow solve its problems. By the way, I am absolutely kind-minded to Russia and to the fraternal Russian people to us! Bulgarians will be happy if Russia solve their problems as soon as possible! I have no doubt that this is only a matter of time!

[Berkut24]

From your words it turns out that in the Russian Federation a mess.

This is not from my words. This is the data of the Government of the Russian Federation, which recognize the “gray” salary zone in the economy at a rate of 30%. And as long as the state will take from the employer and employee up to 45% with taxes and payments to different funds from each official salary, that is how it will be.
And yes, we will also be happy when Bulgaria solves its problems and ceases to supply arms and ammunition to Russia's enemies. Moreover, the license for their production, which was once given by the Soviet Union then fraternal Bulgaria has long expired.

[pytar]

This is not from my words. This is the data of the Government of the Russian Federation, which recognize the "gray" salary zone in the economy in the amount of 30% ... so it will be.

Yes of course. But with all this, the salary of an ordinary person remains 15-20 thousand, pension 7,5 thousand. Not everyone has a subsidiary farm. Not everyone has the power to process it. Like it or not, in the richest country in the world, the people are poor.

... and will cease to supply weapons and ammunition to the enemies of Russia. Moreover, the license for their production, which was once given by the Soviet Union then fraternal Bulgaria has long expired.

Russia delivers weapons to everyone who pays for it. Even to your enemies. Claims for "license violations", please sue! For 20 years we have been listening to this chatter, but it is evident that she is not legally tolerated.

[Berkut24]

the pension that you indicated is received only by those who do not have seniority, i.e. by old age. Those who worked and paid pension fund contributions receive more.
As for Russian arms deliveries, Russia does not deliver to everyone, especially considering closed technologies. As for your licensing cases, which court should you go to? In Bulgarian or London? No one has transferred the intellectual property right of Bulgaria.

[pytar]

I hinted that I myself am aware of the real situation. Do not hang noodles on my ears. Yes, and I'm not going to conduct discussions that are not related to the article above. As for the supply of weapons, you are again far from right. You are clearly not a licensing specialist. By the way, it always amazes me how “experts” like you move away from topics in discussions.

[ver_]

Quote: jonhr

this is what a fright they integrate with us? they live by their own laws. in other words, the state in the state. in any country they have their own small country. such citizens of the world under the flag of the UN

... to deport this ethnos to India - they were expelled to their historical homeland during the time of King Porp .. they will be settled there at once ...

[Mavrikiy]

Bulgarian Minister of Defense Krasimir Karakachanov not only special education, but also European integration, like a Polish colleague.
However, it is such a democracy. Today, peki pies, tomorrow, sharpen boots. Specialists universals. We have got one too, Zhirinovsky has become a big specialist in foreign policy.

[Simon]

The development of Bulgaria is hampered by gypsy illiteracy --- Or maybe the Bulgarian government itself is not competent, thereby inhibiting the development of Bulgaria!

[Alex von Dorn]

The problem of gypsies is a problem not only in Bulgaria. But apparently we need a people who are, but who, as it were, are not. They do not serve in the army, do not pay taxes, etc. etc. After all, cockroaches are needed for some reason, otherwise why did God create them.