Myanmar Massacre. The USA continue bloody games

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Myanmar (formerly Burma), one of the most “closed” countries in the world, has in recent days been at the center of attention of the whole world. Even in Moscow, a numerous manifestation of Russian Muslims took place near the embassy of Myanmar. They are protesting reprisals against their fellow believers, the Rohingya people living in Rakhine State (Arakan) in western Myanmar. Events on the shores of distant Indochina not for the first time cause a stormy heat of emotions in the Islamic world and among Muslims living in the United States, Europe and Russia. But this time the regular operation of the government forces of Myanmar against Rohingya caused an incredibly violent reaction throughout the world.

But first, an excursion into history. Rohindzha or Rohingya are Burmese Muslims, a rather numerous ethno-confessional community living in the state of Rakhine (Arakan) on the west coast of the country. The bulk of the state’s population is made up of Arakans, a kindred Burmese (Myanmar) people practicing Buddhism in the Theravada tradition. But since Arakan is located in the west of Myanmar and historically has been closely associated with neighboring India, especially Bengal, Bengalis, including those who professed Islam, came here in past centuries. As early as the second half of the 19th century, tens of thousands of Bengali peasants, most of whom were Muslims by religion, began to move to Arakan.





The coexistence of two communities that are so diverse from each other in ethnic and religious terms repeatedly led to conflicts, in which hundreds and even thousands (like in 1947 year, during one of the biggest clashes) killed people - both Rohingya and Arakans. In 1947, a group of politicized Rohingya called for the joining of North Arakan to the newly formed state of Pakistan (then Pakistan still included the territory of modern Bangladesh, directly adjacent to Myanmar). Later, several radical Rohingya organizations were created, which spoke in defense of the rights of their people. In response, the Burmese authorities resorted to the harsh methods they used to punish those who were undesirable. As usual, not only political activists suffered, but also ordinary Rohingjas. The authorities did not particularly understand who was really involved in radical groups, and who was not. Meanwhile, the Rohingya population continued to increase due to high birth rates and migration from neighboring Bangladesh. When Bangladesh fought Pakistan for its independence, a large number of refugees rushed to Burma, who found shelter in the communities of their fellow believers - Rohingya. At present, according to estimates, the number of Rohingya in Myanmar is not less than a million people, and most likely even more.

Nevertheless, despite the large number of communities, the authorities stubbornly do not want to solve the issue of Rohingya. To begin with, this national minority of the country is still virtually deprived of citizenship. Back in 1989, color control cards of citizens were introduced in Myanmar - for full citizens, associated citizens and naturalized citizens. Rohindz did not get any cards. Only in 1995, under pressure from the UN, did Myanmar issue Rohingya special white cards that do not give citizenship rights.



The reasons for the negative attitude of the authorities of Myanmar to the Rohingya are rooted in the peculiarities of the ideology of the Burmese state, which was affirmed throughout the entire period of the country's independent existence. State ideology considers Buddhism to be the basis of national identity, which has had a huge, decisive influence on the formation and development of both the Burmese state and the Burmese culture. In the existence in Myanmar of numerous foreign religious groups, the authorities of the country see a threat to the prevailing socio-political order.

The negative attitude is also met in Myanmar by the Christians, however, the authorities of the country treat the Muslims even more harshly. This is due to several factors: demographic - Rohingya has a very high birth rate and the authorities fear a rapid increase in the number of the community; political - some Rohingya groups have repeatedly stated the need for self-determination in the form of either disconnecting from Myanmar or joining North Arakan to Bangladesh; for sociocultural - Rohingya’s worldview and behavioral differences from Burmese Buddhists are very large and the latter simply do not get along with them, especially in the context of nationalist sentiments that are constantly fueled by the authorities. Of course, the Rohingya themselves, who, like any other people, are not free from the presence of criminals and scum in their ranks, but only crimes committed by national minorities are always more acutely perceived by society as contributing to the formation of negative attitudes towards themselves. Feeling the support of the military and the police, the nationalist formations of the Burmese organize pogroms in the villages of Rohingya. In response, militants from radical groups attack the non-Muslim population of Arakan and police patrols. Vicious circle.

The main “instigators” of the confrontation with the Rohingya world mass media usually call the Burmese nationalists - Buddhists. Their leader is Ashina Virathu (born 1968), who left school in 14 years and became a Buddhist monk. It was he who headed the organization "969", which considers as its main goal the protection of Burmese cultural and religious identity, including by combating the influence of other religions. In the world, Ashina Virathu is called the ideology of the persecution of Rohingya, his crossed portrait is an inevitable attribute of numerous demonstrations of Muslims all over the world in support of their co-religionists - Rohingya. Virathu himself has always denied accusations. He emphasizes that he seeks only to protect the culture of his country, Buddhism as the basis of Burmese society.

When a substantial liberalization of the political regime took place in 2011 in Myanmar, the world community increasingly began to talk about the Rohingya problem. Prior to this, the Rohingya relied mainly on the support of the Islamic world. They were most actively helped by neighboring Malaysia, where the large Rohingya diaspora, who fled from Myanmar from persecuting the authorities, lives. In addition, Malaysia traditionally considers itself the protector and leader of the Muslims of Southeast Asia. On the other hand, Rohingya Muslims are supported by numerous funds and media in the Gulf countries. As for the armed wing of the Rohingya movement, it had already established active interaction with the radical fundamentalist groups of Afghanistan and Pakistan in the 1990s, where Rohingya militants are being trained.

A new round of attention to the problem of Rohingya was caused by reprisals against Muslims, followed by how the insurgents of the Arakhan Salvation Army of the Rohingya attacked at once thirty police stations on the territory of Myanmar at once on 25 in August. As a result, 109 people died. After that, clashes began in the state of Arakan, which, according to official data, have already killed more than 400 people, including 370 dead - militants of the Rohingya Arakan Salvation Army, 15 people - policemen, 17 people - civilians. But foreign media have reported several thousand civilian deaths. Moreover, it is emphasized that they were victims of reprisals not only by the military and the police, but also by the Burmese nationalists. Nationalist detachments burst into the villages of Rohingya, sparing neither old nor young.

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan called the events in Myanmar no other than the genocide of the Muslim people of Rohingya. Many other influential politicians in the Muslim world made similar statements. They can be understood - the Islamic world is always very sensitive to any persecution of fellow believers, especially when they become victims of discrimination or repression by members of other religions.



However, it is worth noting that the tragic events in Myanmar are used by many media to denigrate not only the current authorities of the country, but also Burmese Buddhists and Buddhists in general. And this is despite the fact that the Dalai Lama XIV repeatedly made public statements against the persecution of the Rohingya and asked the Burmese authorities to resolve this situation. The most glaring example of the manipulation of public opinion can be called the publication of photographs of Buddhist monks standing against a mountain of corpses. It was presented as if the monks were the initiators of the destruction of thousands of Rohingya. In fact, the photograph was taken in the Chinese province of Sichuan, and the monks were not Burmese, but Tibetan, and participated as volunteers in helping victims of the terrible earthquake with large human victims. The question is who will benefit from hate speech between Muslims and Buddhists, and who is behind the attempt to destabilize the situation in Southeast Asia?

As in many conflicts of our time, which led to the most tragic consequences and cost the lives of thousands of people, behind today's “rush” around Myanmar you can easily see the hand of the United States. For Washington's puppeteers, destabilizing the situation in Myanmar is a great way to annoy China by kindling a fire of ethnic war in its underbelly. China traditionally views Myanmar as its sphere of influence, Beijing has always had special relations with the authorities of the country, so any Western intervention in the affairs of this state in the PRC is perceived very painfully. Now the Chinese media interpret the events in Myanmar as a struggle of the country's government forces against terrorist groups. Public opinion of a significant part of Chinese is also on the side of Burmese Buddhists - and the point is not only in cultural proximity, but also that China has its own similar problem - Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region, a significant part of the population of which are Uygur Muslims unsuccessfully trying to achieve political independence. In addition, China is well aware that the world’s excessive attention to the situation in Myanmar threatens Beijing’s political and economic interests in this region, and they are very, very large. Therefore, China blocks in the UN Security Council any attempts by the United States and Great Britain to raise the question of the situation with the persecution of Rohingya in Myanmar.

Myanmar Massacre. The USA continue bloody games


When Washington became aware of the finding of large reserves of oil and gas in the state of Arakan, the American leadership became very keenly interested in events in distant Myanmar. This interest was especially actualized in the context of completing the construction of the pipeline and the gas pipeline from Arakan to China in 2013. Myanmar is viewed by China as the most important transit point on the way of transportation of oil and gas from the countries of the Persian Gulf, and the discovery of oil and gas deposits in Myanmar itself increases China's interest in this country even more. Naturally, this situation does not suit the United States, seeking to create all sorts of obstacles to the development of China and the Chinese economy. A special Burma Task Force was established, which included a number of non-governmental organizations disguised as charities and human rights organizations. Where American “human rights activists” appear, sooner or later conflicts and even civil wars begin. First, American agents define the country's acute problems, form a “conflict field”, and then begin to kindle smoldering conflicts, contribute to their aggravation and exit to a new level, provide “support to the world community.”

In Myanmar, in addition to the confrontation with China, the American game has another strategic goal - the disintegration of the countries of Southeast Asia. As it is known, there are Buddhist (Myanmar, Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam), Muslim (Malaysia, Indonesia, Brunei) and Christian (Philippines) countries in Southeast Asia. At the same time, the Philippines and Thailand, like Myanmar, have on their territory numerous Muslim minorities that are in favor of self-determination and have long been leading an armed struggle against central governments. Until recently, the United States provided both the Philippine and the Thai governments a great deal of help in the fight against radical groups, but then the alignments in world politics began to change.

The escalation of conflict between the Rohingya and the government of Myanmar can be used by the United States to create and deepen contradictions between the ASEAN member countries. Already, Malaysia and Indonesia are actively supporting Rohingya, while in Thailand, Laos, and Vietnam, and it is possible that in the Philippines, public opinion will support the line of Burmese authorities. Considering that the countries of Southeast Asia have achieved great success in recent years, primarily economic ones, the strategy of the collapse of ASEAN can be beneficial for the Americans to maintain their own economic influence in the region. Washington is very afraid that the entire Asia-Pacific region could get out of control of the United States and achieve complete economic independence.
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  1. +32
    6 September 2017 06: 39
    I did not understand why the United States was to blame for everything.
    1. +26
      6 September 2017 07: 03
      And, in the world, two countries “are to blame for everything * -Russia and the USA. All the rest are“ white and fluffy. ”In this case, Russia, well, doesn’t“ stick ”to Russia, so it means -USA .... wink
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        1. +13
          6 September 2017 10: 36
          “Izya, do you know who Ashina Virathu really is?” -Can not be! -That's it!!! laughing
        2. +12
          6 September 2017 11: 03
          You have outdated data. In Russia for a long time (about 20 years), Jews have not been the primary source of all ills. For Russians, Jews are "ours." You are 3 in Israel. A Jew explaining to another Jew for the holiday of May 000, is more Russian than many of the citizens of the Russian Federation.
          http://jews.by/novosti/izrail/victory/
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        3. +1
          6 September 2017 11: 55
          Quote: 5: 0
          Israel has been forgotten. Well, at least for the majority in VO. The truth is, you won’t fasten it to Myanmar ...

          How can you not fasten it? !! stop It would be a wish! bully
          After all, it has long been known that a small number of Jews of Iraqi descent live in Myanmar! fellow hi
          1. 5:0
            +2
            6 September 2017 12: 02
            And then the Islamic press should be prompted.
          2. +1
            6 September 2017 16: 47
            Quote: andj61
            Quote: 5: 0
            Israel has been forgotten. Well, at least for the majority in VO. The truth is, you won’t fasten it to Myanmar ...

            How can you not fasten it? !! stop It would be a wish! bully
            After all, it has long been known that a small number of Jews of Iraqi descent live in Myanmar! fellow hi

            where is Iraq and where is Burma. Two years ago new repatriates arrived either from Nepal, or from northern India
            .that they are all narrow-eyed
            . several families live on our street
            .
            1. 0
              7 September 2017 08: 06
              Quote: igor67

              where is Iraq and where is Burma. Two years ago new repatriates arrived either from Nepal, or from northern India
              .that they are all narrow-eyed
              . several families live on our street
              .

              In Israel, they have long practiced a slightly re-rotated Soviet slogan: "More Jews - Good and Different!" bully So it should be - a country where only 8 million Jews live, somewhere else 7 million live outside its borders, but at the same time, the country itself and its titular nation are well-known to everyone! And with almost no great effort for this! fellow drinks hi
              PS And about Iraqi Jews in Burma - this is not a joke, they really are there.
        4. +1
          6 September 2017 11: 59
          Quote: 5: 0
          Israel forgot

          Do not flatter yourself! wink
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        6. 0
          7 September 2017 09: 06
          The UN will remember. Muslims and Christians in Burma, to put it mildly, do not like. Consequently, the peacekeeping contingent is possible only from the Jews. Buddhists are already there.
          Quote: 5: 0
          Israel has been forgotten. Well, at least for the majority in VO. The truth is, you won’t fasten it to Myanmar ...
      2. +7
        6 September 2017 08: 42
        Quote: Monster_Fat
        And, in the world, two countries “are to blame for everything * -Russia and the USA. All the rest are“ white and fluffy. ”In this case, Russia, well, doesn’t“ stick ”to Russia, so it means -USA .... wink

        China, in fact, is actively interfering in many internal conflicts in countries where it has interests.
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    2. +15
      6 September 2017 08: 03
      For half a century, Muslims have been slaughtering Christians in BV and everyone is silent.
      1. +12
        6 September 2017 09: 40
        Do Muslims slaughter Christians? It’s not funny to say that yourself? Iraq, Syria, Libya lie in ruins, Iran is constantly threatened, and who bombed them before the Stone Age? Probably Muslims who are in power in the United States, Israel, and Europe, millions of Muslims have died over the past 20 years, tens of millions have become refugees, tens and hundreds of times more Muslim blood in the hands of Christians than vice versa, show me millions of dead and millions of Christian refugees. You know who all the world media are from, and the scale of Muslim losses is stupidly hidden and they don’t talk about it, just like the Donbass, they are not interested, because the Western world has always considered Russians and Muslims to be second-class people
        1. 5:0
          +10
          6 September 2017 11: 57
          Muslims mostly slaughter each other.
          1. +2
            6 September 2017 18: 28
            Quote: 5: 0
            Muslims mostly slaughter each other.

            Muslims hired by Christians slaughter the rest of the Muslims.
        2. +5
          6 September 2017 14: 57
          According to alarming data from a human rights organization that monitors the persecution of Christians since the 1950s, 2015 was "the worst year in modern history." According to their statistics, in 2015, about 7000 Christians were killed and more than 2400 temples were destroyed.
          Only 200 Christians live in Turkey today, compared with 000 million in 2.
          Most of all, as a result of the ongoing war in Syria, the Christian population declined. The Copts began to leave Egypt after the 1952 revolution. Only 500 Christians from the 000 million who lived in the country ten years ago remained in Iraq.
          In general, the Christian population of the Middle East has declined from 14 percent in 1910 to 4 percent today. Unfortunately, religious leaders fear that Christianity may disappear from the region where it originated 2000 years ago.
          Harun Yahya - Middle East: The tragic outcome of Christians.

          You know everything happens in the Middle East!
          And in the former Central Asian republics there was the extermination of Christians! Or forgot?
        3. +4
          6 September 2017 21: 29
          Yes, my friend, you only see what’s happening with Muslims, but Indonesia, Sudan, Nigeria can remind Muslims of genocide against other denominations. Let me remind you in Indonesia in the 60s, only the Chinese were cut out about a million and now they also cut Christians there. I do not want to justify the violence, but I am outraged by the fact that some immediately blame the USA, ISRAEL, EUROPE.
    3. +4
      6 September 2017 08: 58
      Because there is China nearby! The experience of Kosovo and Serbia .but already in Southeast Asia.
      The United States and Trump have already declared the TOZ the primary zone of vital interests for the United States, and there only CHINA is their main rival!
      1. +2
        6 September 2017 21: 56
        The experience of Kosovo and Serbia

        I also reminded the provocation of the West in Yugoslavia, they say about the "genocide" by Milosevic of Muslims, as a result of the genocide was the Serbs and they ruined the country.
        So and here, it seems, the country is trying to destroy the western beast.
    4. +7
      6 September 2017 11: 06
      Quote: Ken71
      I did not understand why the United States was to blame for everything.

      The main thing is that at least the author himself should understand this, or pretend that he understands .... Although there is no such certainty - judging by the lack of serious argumentation on this issue in the article ... Instead, some kind of verbal husk ....
    5. +2
      6 September 2017 12: 08
      Ken71 And did not understand why the United States is to blame for everything?

      it is necessary to read carefully -
      In 2013, Washington created a special Task Force on Burma, which included a number of non-governmental organizations masquerading as charitable and human rights defenders. Where American "human rights activists" appear, sooner or later conflicts and even civil wars begin.
      1. +6
        6 September 2017 19: 37
        No matter how you read it, he will remain delirium. What place is the United States to blame for the massacre of government against minorities. The anti-Americanism of some is akin to schiz.
        1. 0
          8 September 2017 04: 28
          Quote: Ken71
          in the massacre

          was there a boy? that is the question. interesting article with funny moments google on
          "The genocide of Muslims in Myanmar, or how they make fakes (+18)"

          I will not say unequivocally, but is this not one of the reasons for the blocking by China and the Russian Federation of the resolution on Myanmar?
    6. 0
      6 September 2017 12: 17
      Yes, because they are, isn’t that enough?
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    8. +2
      6 September 2017 13: 13
      As incomprehensible as you are already 16 people who are apparently pleased with your misunderstanding, maybe you can get together and find out why. You will not chew and put in your mouth here. By the way, I also did not understand what your comment means - this is a question or statement, if no one will clarify the statement.
    9. +4
      6 September 2017 14: 04
      I also don’t see a serious argument. At the moment, I would rather believe that China is stirring up its interests there.
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  2. +7
    6 September 2017 07: 04
    Myanmar began issuing Rohingya special white cards that do not give citizenship rights.
    And it would not hurt for us to do this. In the sense of not giving the right to citizenship to UNROOM nationalities. And there is an experience of effective migration policy - Kuwait, the United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia. hi
    1. +2
      6 September 2017 07: 17
      You have forgotten the Baltic states.
      1. +7
        6 September 2017 07: 27
        Quote: Ken71
        You have forgotten the Baltic states.

        Specially kept silent. wink But if you remove the emotions about the infringement of the rights of Russians in the Baltic states, then it is the restriction of the rights of non-indigenous peoples that protects the identity of the indigenous peoples. request
        1. +6
          6 September 2017 08: 22
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          it is the restriction of the rights of non-indigenous peoples that protects the identity of indigenous peoples.

          Does not protect absolutely, rather the opposite. Indigenous identity can only be protected by assimilation.
          Well, in Russia, such a policy can even become destructive. If the Russians begin to restrict the rights of Tajiks, then why, for example, Erzya and Moksha do not have the right to protect their identity from Russians in their territories?
          1. +2
            6 September 2017 13: 47
            Quote: Spade
            If the Russians begin to restrict the rights of Tajiks, then why, for example, Erzya and Moksha do not have the right to protect their identity from Russians in their territories?

            Obviously, because Erzya and Moksha are peoples conquered by Russians and forcibly incorporated into Russia. Therefore, they cannot establish their rules in the territory, which in fact they are not.
            1. +3
              6 September 2017 15: 26
              Quote: Heimdall (49)
              Obviously, because Erzya and Moksha are the peoples conquered by the Russians

              Twos on history?
              1. +4
                6 September 2017 15: 34
                Quote: Spade
                Twos on history?

                Can you say something against the facts below? What - the Mordovians were not conquered by the Russians, as well as the Yakuts, Chechens, Tatars and other and other?

                From the XNUMXth century, the era of the Russian-Mordovian military confrontation begins, which will continue throughout the first half of the second millennium A.D. and end with the gradual inclusion of the territory of residence of Mordovian tribes in the Russian state.
                The military clashes between the Mordovians and the squads of the Russian princes, which lasted for several centuries, were extremely fierce. When describing the Russian-Mordovian battles, Russian annals use such phrases as “those tamos you beat”, “lots of people who care”, “their land is empty”, “buysi, secuchi”, etc. Since the end of the XI century. until the first third of the 1103th century a number of campaigns are undertaken on Mordovians: 1172, 1210, 1221, 1226, 1228, in 1229 two campaigns, 1239, XNUMX
                After the loss of Obranosh (the Abramovo town) in 1221 and the assertion of Russians there, military invasions into the depths of Mordovian territory began to be carried out with enviable constancy. The political center of the North Mordovian tribes at that time, apparently, was somewhere in the depths of Mordovian land. It may have been the ancient Arta - Arza - Arzamas. It is no accident that the Russian princes tried to penetrate far into the depths of Mordovian territory "into the land of Mordovia, Purgasov volost".
                Since the end of the XII century., The Russian army, equipped with the Grand Dukes to march on Mordovians, is a coalition of military men of several principalities. In this short period of time, several such trips were made to Mordovians.

                In summary:
                At the end of the XNUMXth century, along with the Russian principalities, losing their independence and gradually becoming part of the Grand Duchy of Moscow, the Mordovian population living in them fell under the protectorate of Moscow.
                1. +5
                  6 September 2017 15: 45
                  And yet, this was not “conquest" but voluntary accession. For a dvoekhnik on history I will hint: Kazan
                  1. +5
                    6 September 2017 15: 58
                    Quote: Spade
                    And yet, it was not a “conquest" but a voluntary accession

                    Naturally. Similarly, Russia "voluntarily" joined the Golden Horde laughing And Kazan, too, "voluntarily" as a result of democratic elections became part of the Russian state as a result of the delegation of Tsar Ivan Vasilyevich there with a group of parliamentarians))
                    Well, it’s only the evil bourgeois who seize and colonize - we have everything by voluntary consent))
                    1. 0
                      6 September 2017 16: 27
                      I write, dvoeshnik ...
                      Well, according to your harmonious theory, most Russians are also “captured”, right? After all, the Moscow principality was tiny ...
                      And therefore, "they cannot establish their rules in the territory, which in fact they are not," right?
                      If you compare the accession of the Mordovians and the accession of Novgorod, the second event was unlike bloody, and clearly was not voluntary.
                      Question: how do you think the very minority of Russians, descendants who lived on the territory of the Moscow principality, should be determined, who has the right to decide something?
                      1. +1
                        6 September 2017 17: 03
                        Quote: Spade
                        according to your harmonious theory, most Russians are also “captured”, right?

                        According to my harmonious theory, all Russians are one community, blood brothers and we have nothing to share.
                        By Russians, I mean the Great Russians - a people that finally took shape in the 16th century. after the annexation of Novgorod and Pskov. And these events should be considered as purely necessary for fastening the Russian people with iron and blood. Like the unification of the Bismarck Germans much later.
                        So your questions, sorry, are stupid. It is not necessary to equate Russians with other peoples in the Russian state.
                        Although they are now formally equalized, it is unlikely that there will be good from this.
                    2. +1
                      6 September 2017 17: 26
                      Quote: Heimdall (49)
                      According to my harmonious theory, all Russians are one community, blood brothers and we have nothing to share.

                      Again, the little two on the story makes themselves known ... Brothers do not cut each other if they are normal brothers. And in clashes between formally Russian principalities during times of feudal fragmentation, several more people perished than in opposing all the “non-Russians” combined.
                      Why are "formally Russian"? Because Rurikovich- the same Finno-Ugric peoples, like Mordvinians. You can’t trample against genetics ... 8)))

                      Quote: Heimdall (49)
                      Do not equate Russians with other peoples

                      Good suggestion ... Do you know that only 70% of those who consider themselves Russian are descendants of the Slavs? 8)))
                      1. +1
                        6 September 2017 21: 07
                        What you do is called blabbering a question. Naturally, the brothers cut each other quite often. This happened always and everywhere in the process of the formation of peoples. The sign of normality is not a topic at all.
                        Quote: Spade
                        And in clashes between formally Russian principalities during times of feudal fragmentation, several more people were killed than in confronting all the “non-Russian” combined

                        And what from this? Does this abolish unity in blood, faith and culture?
                        Because Rurikovich- the same Finno-Ugric peoples, like Mordvinians. .

                        Nonsense is complete. I read the same Klyosov, but did not meet with him such radical statements.
                        You can’t really argue against genetics.

                        Science is such a thing that today it will write you one thing, and in about 50 years there will be new introductory notes that will revolutionize the whole theory. Therefore, all this is written with a pitchfork on water.
                        And again - where does the Rurikovich? I think that by blood they differed from subjects. Whether they were rugs, varins, etc. - has nothing to do with the topic.
                        Quote: Spade
                        Do you know that only 70% of those who consider themselves Russian are descendants of the Slavs? 8)))

                        So what? Do you think I thought that all Russian 100% Aryans with blue eyes and blond hair? smile 70 percent is a good figure, but everyone understands that it is also unreliable.

                        I don’t understand what you want to prove - that the Russians did not conquer the aliens? Or that Russian does not exist?
                        You would put it more clearly, otherwise you drag the Rurikovich, genetics and feudal fragmentation, but I don’t understand why.
          2. +1
            6 September 2017 20: 19
            Quote: Spade
            Indigenous identity can only be protected by assimilation.

            Who is assimilating in whom? wink
            Quote: Spade
            If Russians start restricting Tajik rights

            Do they have their own state, from which they continue to extrude Russians even now? Why should they grant them citizenship here? No, let them go to work, only officially, with taxes. Our territory is our rule, and it is NORMAL. But moksha and erzya restore their identity, and let them be the indigenous peoples of Russia.
            hi
          3. 0
            11 September 2017 21: 46
            Quote: Spade
            for example, Erzya and Moksha do not have the right to protect their identity from Russians in their territories of residence?

            How many Russians are left there after the mass exodus of the latter in the Russian Federation? They already did it
    2. +1
      6 September 2017 16: 49
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      Myanmar began issuing Rohingya special white cards that do not give citizenship rights.
      And it would not hurt for us to do this. In the sense of not giving the right to citizenship to UNROOM nationalities. And there is an experience of effective migration policy - Kuwait, the United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia. hi

      forgot the namesake Japan.t
  3. +10
    6 September 2017 08: 06
    I absolutely support the actions of the authorities to protect their country. They do not want to repeat the experience of the Serbs and problems with the territory. the reason for the behavior is easy to understand from information on the ethnic composition of the people of Kosovo over the past 100 years. and to what softness with ACTUALLY ILLEGAL EMIGRANTS led. All the tales of humanity tell 250 Serbs expelled from their homes thanks to the authorities that granted citizenship to all Albanians. It is time for Christians to take an example from Muslims in Russia and to defend their interests. WHO has ever seen a demonstration in Moscow about the quiet massacre of Christians in Iraq. Egypt. Libya. Syria?
    1. +5
      6 September 2017 08: 18
      Well, in general, there are a lot of problem regions in Myanmar. Do not forget about Ba - which in the 2015 year was well armed with Chinese weapons (when China shifted past power in Myanmar to a self-loyal one). Now they have a truce. But Ba even has two Mi-8 helicopters, in addition to armored personnel carriers and heavy weapons wink . Plus, China will not stand aside.
    2. +3
      6 September 2017 09: 46
      That is, in your opinion, the action of ukrov against Russians in the Donbass is absolutely legal and correct decision? yes, how does Russia differ from the USSR, the Soviet Union has always been on the side of the oppressed, and now it works to please others, no one has the right to kill women and children, the Muslim population there is 4% percent, and they live there for several centuries, and This genocide continues for not a dozen years.
      1. +4
        6 September 2017 10: 51
        Quote: ShM05
        That is, in your opinion, the action of ukrov against Russians in the Donbass is absolutely legal and correct decision? yes, how does Russia differ from the USSR, the Soviet Union has always been on the side of the oppressed, and now it works to please others, no one has the right to kill women and children, the Muslim population there is 4% percent, and they live there for several centuries, and this genocide continues for not a dozen years.

        Here's what excuse me for frighting them (rude migrants) with (not to the indigenous population and non-aligned state) from suddenly granting autonomy, and even more allowing them to join their lands to another state:
        In 1947, a group of politicized Rohingya advocated joining Northern Arakan to the newly formed state of Pakistan
        ..... request
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          6 September 2017 11: 18
          And this will continue until not the interests of real people, but the pseudo-interests of "historical territories" are put at the forefront. Yes
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          7 September 2017 01: 17
          and what is the "indigenous" population in this state? Burmese? I'm not sure. the borders there were very conditionally drawn by the British. Historical Bengal - a region that has existed for many centuries both as an administrative unit in the Delhi Sultanate and the Mughal Empire and as an independent Sultanate - is divided between India, Bangladesh and Burma. the issue of autochthonism is very controversial there.
          1. +3
            7 September 2017 09: 33
            Quote: protoss
            and what is the "indigenous" population in this state? Burmese?

            And what does the population have to do with it? This is the territory of Burma, and some immigrants and / without citizenship suddenly gathered this territory to another state ... request
            In 1947, a group of politicized Rohingya advocated joining Northern Arakan to the newly formed state of Pakistan
            hi
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              9 September 2017 18: 13
              Quote: NIKNN
              And what does the population have to do with it?

              you yourself do not follow your words? before that you wrote:
              Quote: NIKNN
              Here's what excuse me for their fright (rude migrants), (non-indigenous population and non-aligned state) to suddenly grant autonomy

              I retorted to you that it’s more difficult to establish who is there more fundamentally for historical reasons.
      2. +4
        6 September 2017 16: 38
        Quote: ShM05
        That is, in your opinion, the action of ukrov against Russians in the Donbass is absolutely legal and correct decision?

        Are there illegal Russian immigrants in the Donbass? belay
        The situation there is completely different: first, this region became part of the new state that emerged on the territory of the former Empire - Ukraine / Ukrainian SSR, and then the Bolsheviks confirmed the borders of the "big" Ukrainian SSR and began the forced Ukrainization of those who were on its territory.
        So the Donetsk Russians came to Ukraine along with the territory.
        Quote: ShM05
        yes, how does Russia differ from the USSR, the Soviet Union has always been on the side of the oppressed

        Well, yes, yes ... and who was oppressed in the Ethiopian-Somali conflict, where did the Soviet Union get into at the very least? smile
        Or on whose side was the USSR, when Vietnam began to clean those who lived there from its territory? for several centuries the Chinese, having expelled almost 300 people?
    3. +2
      6 September 2017 12: 15
      Quote: Moonshiner
      WHO has ever seen a demonstration in Moscow about the silent massacre of Christians in Iraq. Egypt. Livia. Syria?

      Where do you see believing Christians? For example, I’m Orthodox, in fact, when I was baptized in infancy, I don’t believe in eternal life, from the fact that I wasn’t before birth, I won’t even after death, but from eternity it’s boring to watch the sun go out .... boring
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        6 September 2017 13: 53
        Quote: aybolyt678
        I don’t believe in eternal life, from the fact that I wasn’t before birth

        Christians do not believe in the eternal life of man, since only God is eternal. Therefore, it is obvious that you are poorly acquainted with the dogmas of the faith in which you are baptized.
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          6 September 2017 14: 18
          Quote: Heimdall (49)
          Christians do not believe in the eternal life of man, since only God is eternal

          the trouble is that Christians believe in the immortality of the soul. And when is the soul born? What is her affiliation? A bunch of questions gives rise to reluctance to believe in their own death, and the ministers of the religious business are right there! But in fact, everything is simpler. Religion, like Culture, is a system of man’s internal limitations, the instrument of influence is the fear of God's punishment after death. As a man brought up in the Soviet Union, I am afraid of shame during my life. The result is similar. I do not think that God will punish me on purpose, because it was he who allowed the existence of Atheism
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            6 September 2017 14: 38
            Quote: aybolyt678
            the trouble is that Christians believe in the immortality of the soul

            I don’t see any trouble here. Immortality is not eternity. Everything is simple - the soul is created and created by God after the conception of man. But then she is already immortal.
            What is her affiliation?

            There can only be one affiliation, since the truth is also one.
            And of all religions, only one is true, too, because all of them are too contradictory to each other to be true. He who says that all religions teach the same thing does not know anything about any of them.
            A bunch of questions gives rise to reluctance to believe in your own death.

            It is not a reluctance to believe in one's own death, but a reluctance to believe in the absence of universal harmony. The whole world is built on symmetry, harmony and balance. And therefore, this cannot be such that after death there will be no retribution. This is contrary to common sense and all that we see around.
            I do not think that God will punish me on purpose, because it was he who allowed the existence of Atheism

            Well, if you follow this logic, then He allowed the creation of concentration camps, homosexuality, etc. And he will not punish everyone for this. But this is nonsense.
            In fact, God gave full will to man and for this will man will have to answer in full measure - and for atheism too, because if a person does not honor and does not want to know his parents - this is a bad person. And the creator of all things is more important and more parents.
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              6 September 2017 15: 26
              Quote: Heimdall (49)
              In fact, God has given full will to man, and for this will man will have to answer in full

              everything can be simpler - in every person there is a piece of God or the devil or Buddha called Freedom of Will, and here you are right the whole world is built on Symmetry, the will of some is limited to the faith of others, etc. ... I now believe in the Geomeric God. Imagine a point (not measuring) moving in one direction forms a line. Similarly, our three-dimensional world moving along time forms the reality in which we live. From the Fifth Dimension, time is transformed into a material quantity. God lives in the fifth dimension. He is subject to time
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                6 September 2017 19: 03
                Quote: aybolyt678
                Quote: Heimdall (49)

                I believe in the Geomeric God.

                What is it like? In the Hermetic God or in the homeric laughter?
                There are many Buddhist monuments in Myanmar: Pagan, Shwedagon, Sanchi, other different temples and holy places.
                Buddhists believe that the soul forever lives in the BODY !!! Yes exactly! Either in one, then in another ... Moreover, in another incarnation, it can "" get "a different biological species, gender, and social status. It may be in heaven, in hell (but temporarily)! And so from era to era! The sun will become a giant, then a white dwarf --- so there are other planetary systems! The universe will end its “cycle” --- but there are other Riemannian hyperspheres too! And living conditions depend on the accumulated good deeds (positive karma) or bad (negative karma)! From each according to his ability --- to each according to his work ...
                Buddhism is practiced in Mongolia, Korea, the autonomous region of Tibet, Nepal, Bhutan, Sri Lanka, Myanmar, Thailand, Cambodia, Laos, Vietnam, partly in India, in different regions of Russia.
                After all, the Burmese perceive Rakhine as their historical territory, which they don’t want to give five lands to strangers, Muslims!
                We can’t help but remember "" the Englishwoman is crap. "" The British formed the state of Pakistan IN THE TERRITORY OF INDIA. Part of Bengal was also supposed to be part of Pakistan, from where the Rohingya themselves were born. Later, in 1971, this eastern territory separated (People's Republic of Bangladesh). After all, the separatism of the Muslims of Rakhine State has been going on since 1947 --- as the Angles left India.
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                  6 September 2017 21: 54
                  Quote: Reptiloid
                  Buddhists believe that the soul forever lives in the BODY !!! Yes exactly! One in one, then in another ..

                  I am now a Buddhist good thank you, now I'm enlightened
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                    7 September 2017 06: 26
                    Well, you give it! A debate on this topic leads nowhere if you yourself don’t go where it should not be. For you, Comrade Stalin, there is the Underworld and it seems more than one. At the expense of faith, God created us all equal and religion created greedy people. I think so.
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                      7 September 2017 06: 29
                      you have humor problems, small
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                      7 September 2017 08: 58
                      Quote: ML-334
                      For you, Comrade Stalin, there is the Underworld and it seems more than one.

                      For me, Comrade Stalin is, first and foremost, a model of adequacy and the conformity of the position. And also comrade, elder and wise
                      1. +1
                        7 September 2017 10: 11
                        At the expense of Stalin, completely with you.
  4. +4
    6 September 2017 08: 37
    There is nothing fundamentally new in this article. It would be more interesting to me to read an analysis of Kadyrov’s behavior in this situation. According to the author of the article, China is blocking the consideration of the problem of Rohingya at the UN. Thus, it turns out that Kadyrov opposed the policy of China in this region. And Russia is trying to build special relations with China. It is clear that Kadyrov wants to show himself as the leader of all Muslims in Russia. But Russia's foreign policy should not depend on its ambitions.
    1. +5
      6 September 2017 11: 31
      Judging by the results of the vote in the UN Security Council, the resolution on Myanmar is blocked, including by Russia.
      Kadyrov, in principle, can be understood. He never declared himself loyal to Russia, only to Putin. He calls himself “Putin’s footman”, “ready to carry out any of his orders” and in the same spirit, in general, a classic medieval vassal. Kadyrov’s interests intersect with those of Chechnya and Putin. They intersect with the interests of Russia only in the context of intersection with the interests of Putin.
      1. +1
        7 September 2017 01: 19
        I doubt that the interests of Russia coincide with the interests of Myanmar.
  5. +4
    6 September 2017 09: 09
    Gold is to blame for these events ... Oil is "black gold" ...
    1. +4
      6 September 2017 09: 47
      Hardly. Oil prices have already fallen so that it is not worth starting. And what is there to do with it? Far away, infrastructure zero, etc.
      1. +3
        6 September 2017 12: 58
        selling a well? I will buy. Or trend in the hope that someone will sell ?! I recognize brother Kolya.
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            6 September 2017 14: 26
            Old and bad, and what kind of Moisha? However, I thought that you would not sell laughing
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                  6 September 2017 16: 43
                  My dear, you smile at me, look in the mirror: sometimes dogs are smarter than people.
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      6 September 2017 14: 21
      Quote: parusnik
      Gold is to blame for these events ... Oil is "black gold" ...

      Satan rules the ball there, the bvl rules there !!
  6. +8
    6 September 2017 10: 23
    "A new round of attention to the problem of Rohingya was caused by the massacres of Muslims, which followed on August 25 when the fighters of the Arakan army rescue Rohingya attacked thirty police stations in Myanmar immediately. As a result, 109 people died. After that, clashes broke out in Arakan state, which according to official figures, more than 400 people have already been killed, including 370 dead - militants from the Arakan army saving the Rohingya, 15 people - police officers, 17 people - civilians. "
    The description is very similar to the Counter-Terrorist Operation conducted against Muslim terrorists. And something I have not heard about terrorists - Buddhists.
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      6 September 2017 12: 05
      Quote: Bastinda
      The description is very similar to the Counter-Terrorist Operation conducted against Muslim terrorists. And something I have not heard about terrorists - Buddhists.

      However, Buddhist terrorists exist. This is the 969 organization mentioned in the article, as well as the BBS organization in Sri Lanka.
      “Of course, Buddhist terror is a sad reality,” said Fallop Taiyari, general secretary of the World Buddhist Society, in an interview with Lente.ru. - Unfortunately, every religion has its own extremists, and Buddhism is no exception. But in Burma and Sri Lanka, the surge in radicalism is primarily caused by tribal differences and the difficult political situation in these countries. In Thailand, for example, the problem of Buddhist terrorism is not at all worth it. ”Http://stavroskrest.ru/content/buddisty-te
      rroristy
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        6 September 2017 16: 13
        Quote: andj61
        However, Buddhist terrorists exist. This is the 969 organization mentioned in the article, as well as the BBS organization in Sri Lanka.

        Fortunately, Buddhist terrorists (unlike Muslim terrorists and Christians) cannot exist in nature. In connection with the specifics of their teachings on material life and being as such. But the guys dressing for them may well be.
  7. +1
    6 September 2017 10: 57
    The conflict between Rohingya and the government of Myanmar can be used by the United States
    But isn't it all up to this? And it’s very disappointing that the citizens of Russia (Kadyrov ...) supported the beginning of the future Libya and Syria!
  8. +3
    6 September 2017 11: 01
    in such a difficult situation, one cannot give in to emotions, armed intervention in the internal affairs of Myanmar is unacceptable, it is necessary to convince the Myanmar authorities with political methods not to be cruel to Muslims (diplomats from all over the world have to say so)
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    6 September 2017 11: 15
    They can be understood - the Islamic world is always very sensitive to any persecution of co-religionists, especially when they become victims of discrimination or repression by representatives of other religions

    they can slaughter Christians and others in Syria is possible, but as them, it is impossible No.
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    +4
    6 September 2017 11: 39
    The principle of "Divide and Conquer" - works like a clock.
    In ancient Egypt, instead of religions, people believed in totems. Each family (in each house) had its own totem animal or insect.
    Religion is an ideology, which, in turn, is a tool for managing people. Within religions, there are still denominations. In Christianity alone, about 30 thousand (!) Denominations (including radical ones).
    Divided people into different "faith" and on this basis, you can push people foreheads forever.
    1. +3
      6 September 2017 12: 35
      Quote: Vortex
      Within religions, there are still denominations. In Christianity alone there are about 30 thousand (!) Denominations.

      30 000 ?! That you my friend bent. Probably include in the concept of "denomination" - individual local churches. "Confession", however, always has at least some own theology different from others.
      Quote: Vortex
      including radical

      Something is not heard of terrorists who, shouting “I believe in the Holy Trinity,” would crush passers-by with KAMAZ.
      1. +1
        7 September 2017 00: 31
        Quote: Normal ok
        Something is not heard of terrorists who, shouting “I believe in the Holy Trinity,” would crush passers-by with KAMAZ.

        Duc, in the Middle Ages it was "crushed", except that KAMAZ did not happen then. Well, they did not manage with iron, but with ordinary horses, with crosses on blankets. They carried a "culture to the masses" inspired by the Roman "cultural enlightenment." From the series: "How Young We Were ...", yeah.Yes So to speak, the stage of accumulation of initial capital. What now? Well, now everything is covered, for they have reached a new level. And, by the way, here:
        Quote: aybolyt678
        religious business representatives are actively collaborating with political forces to expand their client base and eliminate competitors
    2. +1
      6 September 2017 14: 25
      religious business representatives are actively collaborating with political forces to expand their client base and eliminate competitors
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        7 September 2017 00: 37
        good good good An extensive path of development, he, my dear ... Here, like in a bike, when some bishop, meeting with business representatives in an “informal” setting, and being already “warm”, said: “Well, we are a very solid brand after all, two thousand years in the market. " Q.E.D.
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  12. +1
    6 September 2017 13: 19
    Quote: Normal ok

    Something is not heard of terrorists who, shouting “I believe in the Holy Trinity,” would crush passers-by with KAMAZ.

    Probably everyone remembers the shooting of cartoonists in France. Those "Muslims" who did this are residents of France who were born on its territory and studied in their schools. Shamil Alyautdinov gave a clear answer that, according to God's plan, according to the Qur'an, Islam calls for living in friendship and forbids killing, since killing any person (no matter what religion) is a BIG SIN. And the "Islam" that the "Muslims" study is the successful propaganda of a third party.
    Learn to reason yourself, and not to think in stereotypes that “cruelly” stuff you.
    Let's clean. Today, no one knows an ALIEN religion, and quite a few can boast of knowing their OWN religion. All religions call for peace, however, not all want to do it. Yes, there is murder in every religion, but look at the conditions under which it is permitted (but not encouraged). If there is an opportunity to do without killing, then this is the best way. And when there is a peaceful way to solve the problem, the brutal and cruel method is always defined as SIN.

    Video 6 minutes with a speech by Alyautdinov on the program "Sunday evening" on NTV.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siupRx5wsFo
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      6 September 2017 13: 59
      Quote: astrophysicist
      Learn to reason yourself, and not to think in stereotypes that “cruelly” stuff you.
      Let's clean. Today, no one knows an ALIEN religion, and quite a few can boast of knowing their OWN religion. All religions call for peace, however, not all want to do it.

      So talk - Islam originated in the center of the Arabian Peninsula. Further, in a short time, it spread from Spain to India. Was this done through fasting and prayer? Of course not. The founder of Islam himself conquered the opposite tribes with iron and blood. And his followers - “righteous caliphs” carried the war to neighboring territories.
      Knowing all this, who will be in their right mind to say that
      Islam calls for living in friendship and forbids killing
      ? Jizya tax ready to pay tax?
      1. +1
        6 September 2017 16: 47
        Quote: Heimdall (49)
        Jizya tax ready to pay tax?

        and the state is already paying for us. in fact. and "their" republics and foreign republics winked
  13. +2
    6 September 2017 13: 52
    Muslims and Buddhists have a long-standing, mutual “love,” to look, in this case, for the hand of Washington, Moscow or Beijing — an ungrateful occupation! Yes, there are interests there and everyone has their own, but genocide is an internal affair of the Burmese themselves.
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    1. +3
      6 September 2017 16: 23
      Subscribe to every word except
      Quote: Parsec
      But Islam has nothing to do with it

      Unfortunately, Islam is a rather problematic religion, due to the fact that:
      a) The absence of the metropolis as such, which means every second preacher to himself and to all the not-so-smart people around the prophet.
      b) The difficulty in studying the commandments. The Qur'an is more complicated than the Bible in perception, and even if most of the so-called "Christians" with rare exceptions are not able to learn the 10 commandments, what can we say about Islam.
      c) In general, the Islamic flock is extremely shitty religiously educated, because besides the fact that you need to grow a goatee and wipe your butt with your left hand, they don’t know a damn finger on the squeal of "inshallah" on their right hand. And from illiteracy, poverty, and a skilfully presented view of Islam as a religion of the “warriors of Allah,” illiterate bearded youth is extremely radicalized.
      That's something like ...
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        6 September 2017 22: 08
        Quote: Comrade Glebov
        And from illiteracy, poverty, and a skilfully presented view of Islam as a religion of the “warriors of Allah,” illiterate bearded youth is extremely radicalized.

        I very much agree with you, I, for curiosity, studied Sharia like that. in Russian. Everything is very correct and practical. More perfect and down to earth. Clear. Unlike the Bible.
  16. +2
    6 September 2017 18: 22
    Quote: 5: 0
    .A for the main contingent of HE Israel is on a par with the United States as the main global evil.

    For contingent VO possible. But here, as they say, there is no smoke without fire. When the features of Israeli foreign policy come up periodically, questions arise. The graters with Iran are understandable, but ISIS assistance in Syria goes beyond the understanding of the majority. The only thing that impresses is Israel never looks back at the opinion of its neighbors, acting only out of its interests. The trouble is that there are no brakes either .. But the GDP somehow manages to negotiate there too, which cannot but rejoice.
  17. +1
    6 September 2017 19: 57
    not a single point of view of Buddhists! this is wonderful! they are above it! that's why I respect them! and Buddhism will protect itself, do not even doubt it, they will separate consciousness from the flesh of those who poke the so-called head where dumb doors are closed lolhttp://www.pravda-tv.ru/2017/09/06/318504/kak-vru
    t-islamskie-cotsialnye-media-o-sobytiyah-v-myanme
  18. +2
    7 September 2017 01: 07
    The public opinion of a significant part of the Chinese is also on the side of the Burmese Buddhists

    I wonder what is the opinion of a significant part of the Chinese about Tibetan Buddhists
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    7 September 2017 13: 46
    In fact, it is Russia that vetoes assistance to Myanmar at the UN.
  21. +1
    7 September 2017 13: 51
    Quote: Petrik66
    You have outdated data. In Russia for a long time (about 20 years), Jews have not been the primary source of all ills. For Russians, Jews are "ours." You are 3 in Israel. A Jew explaining to another Jew for the holiday of May 000, is more Russian than many of the citizens of the Russian Federation.
    http://jews.by/novosti/izrail/victory/

    ... it’s not even close at all .. Arabs of all stripes are small - the Armenian Diaspora, the Azerbaijani Diaspora, the largest Jewish Diaspora (to say nothing here) - half of the political scientists of Jews will not come out from the TV screen, not to mention the Duma of the Sovereign and the Academy of Sciences. .
  22. 0
    9 September 2017 02: 26
    Muslims again USA again .. they are tired of already request and Buddhists are still there .. hmm in fact the most peaceful religion is non-violence .. even a mosquito cannot be killed
  23. +1
    9 September 2017 03: 05
    Quote: Setrac
    Quote: 5: 0
    Muslims mostly slaughter each other.

    Muslims hired by Christians slaughter the rest of the Muslims.

    ... under the strict guidance of the Jews ...
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    11 September 2017 14: 04
    Who do the Rohingra most resemble? Kosovarov. in the same way, they first fled from their cruel ruler to a neighboring state. in the same way, a large minority formed on the territory. in the same way, they began to lay claim to power and joining their former state and slaughter those who are against it. Rohingra - Kosovars Southeast Asia.