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Ukrainian "expert": Having met resistance in the Donbass, the Russian Armed Forces began to withdraw ...

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Ukrainian "military experts" continue to speculate on how "the Russian army will invade Ukraine." At the same time, Ukrainian logic is becoming more and more beyond common sense. Speaking with reasoning about how the RF Armed Forces will “invade”, the same experts continue to declare that Ukraine is opposed to the “Russian army” in the Donbas.


The topic for the considerations of the Ukrainian "experts" was not only the soon-starting Russian-Belarusian military maneuvers "West-2017", but also the already completed exercises tank and motorized rifle units in the Chelyabinsk region. The maneuvers at the Chebarkul training ground, as some conspiracy theorists in Kiev note, are almost a prelude to the "invasion."

Ukrainian "expert": Having met resistance in the Donbass, the Russian Armed Forces began to withdraw ...


This is how the Ukrainian “expert” Yury Butusov, who is in charge of ATO propaganda, commented on the teachings of the Russian tankers the other day. To evaluate the statements of the "expert" we cite its publication in full.

For his reasons (text author's):

90-I Russian Tank Division conducted bilateral maneuvers to test the attack on deployed defense, action in the conditions of attacks and counterattacks in contact combat - "by the method of Suvorov". An interesting novelty in the combat training of the Russian army - the enemy began to work out a breakthrough in deployed defense and contact fighting. All this is in the context of bilateral exercises. It is immediately clear where these trends come from - from the Donbass. Russian battalion tactical groups showed complete unavailability for contact battles and offensive action in a contact battle. Having met with stable and organized resistance, the Russian units immediately began to withdraw. Therefore, preference was given to the application of fire damage to Ukrainian troops from distances. However, this tactic was not always capable of bringing quick results.

And look, what changes are made curious:
"A rare technique of through attacks was used by tankers during a bilateral tactical exercise at the Chebarkul training ground. The advancing tanks, with the support of motorized riflemen, wedged defenders in full battle, literally squeezing through them, practicing close combat and breaking through the defensive line. After breaking through, the attacking units turned around and turned around passed to the defense, the defenders went to the offensive, which allowed to work out several types of combat.

Two battalion tactical groups of the 90 Tank Division reinforced by units of motorized infantry, missile forces and artillery, sappers and electronic warfare - in total more than 1,5 thousand people and more 300 units of equipment took part in practical actions.

In the course of the exercise, the military received the experience of "non-standard, unexpected for the enemy forms and methods of using units, immediate response to the changing situation.

End-to-end attacks made it possible to inculcate in personnel the skills for estimating the distance to targets, the ability to advance quickly and in an organized manner, to take advantage of melee combat, and also to quickly restore the integrity of the battle formations. The methodology for training troops in attack and when repelling it was developed by the great Russian commander Alexander Suvorov in the 18th century. The trainees were divided into two sides, lined up in battle formations against each other. Units in turn attacked and defended, passing through the borders of the opposing side, "said the assistant commander of the Central Military District."

Methodology of Suvorov in contact bout it is strong. After all, the Generalissimo taught - "bullet - fool, bayonet - well done ". Well, of course, the plinth level of Russian political politicians is understandable - I hope that they all ran there in dense columns with attached bayonets. But this is humor.


Mr. Butusov’s baseboard level does not allow him to understand that comparing the name of the Suvorov’s onslaught with the Suvorov’s phrase about the bayonet could have come to mind to a complete ignoramus. After all, it is the same as to consider the name of the ship “Hetman Sagaidachny” somehow associated with the fact that the crew should have from armaments only what was at the said hetman ...

Butusov continues:
In the conditions of a real big war against Ukraine, which is now an incredible scenario for Russia lined with sanctions, the Russian tank divisions will not be able to attack with entire battalions - all this brings great losses. And the modern Russian army is not ready for big losses. In the 21 century, the Russian political leaders remember about Suvorov's methods for a good reason, contact fighting for the deployed defense will bring them a lot of impressions, because the Ukrainian army has already learned a lot during the war, they will have Suvorov’s losses, everything was as it was in 18. century in the Swiss campaign, from which Suvorov barely escaped with the remnants of the troops.

But undoubtedly - the 90-division is working out the Ukrainian scenario - in the case, for example, of conducting local operations in the occupied territory, on the model of Georgia's 2008.

There is a sense to prepare troops for contact battles and for penetration through strongholds, for attacks and counterattacks. The army must conduct maneuverable fighting. For this, troops must be prepared even for the most dangerous scenarios — including if necessary — to break through the deployed defensive orders. That is, to contact fights that bring great losses.

It is worth noting that the 90-division conducts maneuvers not by regiments but by battalion groups. This suggests that, despite the return to the divisional-regimental structure, the Russian army sees the battalion tactical as the main operational unit (Butusov’s ignorance does not allow him to understand that there are no "tactical battalion", but - note. "IN") group, not the regiment, as it would be logical to assume.

An important event is the attempt of the Russian generals to introduce the bilateral character of maneuvers, to introduce elements of improvisation and initiative into the actions of the commanders of the tactical level.

Unfortunately, bilateral exercises in the Ukrainian army are not practiced often. But they are rightly spoken by knowledgeable people like Evgeniy Wolf, and so it is accepted in NATO armies, modern combat training of units and formations should take place according to the scenario of bilateral military games, in order to work out first of all the competent work of staffs, initiative and independence of commanders in a complex and unclear situation in the conditions of mutual pressure of opponents.

It is only in such conditions that one can determine which commander is able to act competently and proactively, who has greater coherence of the headquarters and team, who has a higher level of combat readiness, who has better plans and maneuvers.


Amazing logic. Just now, Butusov ignorantly mocked the Russian Armed Forces, conducting bilateral maneuvers, and immediately said that for NATO countries such exercises are a normal and justifiable practice ... Moreover, the “expert” complains that such exercises are not held in the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
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  1. The black
    The black 4 September 2017 14: 58
    +37
    Good joke laughing.... Ekspert can be easily nominated for the prize "enchanting hollow-blower"
    1. Solomon Kane
      Solomon Kane 4 September 2017 15: 02
      +30
      I always said - we can’t cure syphilis of the brain ...... but dill, it’s also contagious ....
      1. George Ivantsov
        George Ivantsov 5 September 2017 09: 27
        +1
        Familiar, do you even have an idea what a tank division of the RUSSIAN Armed Forces is equipped according to the laws of war? If in reality she, the division, were in the Donbass, then you would have fled to the western borders of Hohland.
        1. antivirus
          antivirus 8 September 2017 23: 04
          +1
          it is good that Suvorov did not write to the ukrov commanders.
          how can we live then without Suvorov then?
    2. cniza
      cniza 4 September 2017 15: 03
      +12
      Quote: Black
      Good joke laughing.... Ekspert can be easily nominated for the prize "enchanting hollow-blower"


      Venusians, what to take from them. lol
      1. bulvas
        bulvas 4 September 2017 15: 27
        +8
        An interesting novelty in the combat training of the Russian army is that the enemy began working out a breakthrough in deployed defense and conducting contact battles. All this in the context of bilateral teaching. It’s immediately clear where these trends come from - from the Donbass.


        as is customary in the NATO armies, modern combat training of units and formations should take place according to the scenario of bilateral military games,

        - NATO also inspired from the Donbass?

        Russian battalion-tactical groups showed complete unpreparedness for contact fights and offensive operations in the conditions of contact combat.

        - I wonder who showed?
    3. krops777
      krops777 4 September 2017 16: 12
      +4
      Two battalion tactical groups of the 90 Tank Division reinforced by units of motorized infantry, missile forces and artillery, sappers and electronic warfare - in total more than 1,5 thousand people and more 300 units of equipment took part in practical actions.


      I forgot to mention the Buryat Submarine Tank Division (BPTD) laughing
      1. DEPARTMENT
        DEPARTMENT 4 September 2017 17: 43
        +8
        Butusov, the owner of the site "Censor.net" .. So everything is clear and without commenting hi ..
        1. 73bor
          73bor 4 September 2017 18: 44
          +4
          He liked to compose such tales in the fifth grade by reading several military books with pictures!
  2. Ursus
    Ursus 4 September 2017 14: 59
    +12
    Well, experts got divorced there - like dogs uncut ... Now every gopher in the field is an agronomist, anyway they paid money for inferences
    1. 210ox
      210ox 4 September 2017 15: 05
      +9
      This "censor" trick? Expected nothing else.
      Quote: Ursus
      Well, experts got divorced there - like dogs uncut ... Now every gopher in the field is an agronomist, anyway they paid money for inferences
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 4 September 2017 15: 11
      +3
      Quote: Ursus
      Well, experts got divorced there - like dogs uncut ... Now every gopher in the field is an agronomist, anyway they paid money for inferences

      But-but-but ... Yuri Butusov is not some kind of expert there, but the patented iksperd, founder and permanent editor of the reserve goblins maydanutykh - Censor.net.
      Butusov and Tymchuk are two cornerstones of military cheers in Ukraine. Even Ponomario is not good for them.
      1. 210ox
        210ox 4 September 2017 15: 28
        +4
        "and the patented iksperd," .... Well, it's like a gynecologist ..
        Quote: Alexey RA
        Quote: Ursus
        Well, experts got divorced there - like dogs uncut ... Now every gopher in the field is an agronomist, anyway they paid money for inferences

        But-but-but ... Yuri Butusov is not some kind of expert there, but the patented iksperd, founder and permanent editor of the reserve goblins maydanutykh - Censor.net.
        Butusov and Tymchuk are two cornerstones of military cheers in Ukraine. Even Ponomario is not good for them.
  3. svp67
    svp67 4 September 2017 15: 00
    +13
    Well, the "Ukrainian Expert", he is akin to the "English scientist", sees everything, knows everything ... and is always ready to explain everything, even his own nonsense that he carried earlier.
    1. LSA57
      LSA57 4 September 2017 15: 24
      +16
      Quote: svp67
      Well, "Ukrainian Expert", it is akin to the "English scientist"

      Here is an example

      or is it

      and then such "warriors" appear
      1. tomket
        tomket 4 September 2017 18: 23
        +14
        Quote: LSA57
        and then such "warriors" appear

        There are many “dark spots” in this story that cast doubt on it. Why didn’t he wave his saber before being captured? Why, during interrogation, not having slept a garn, a penny? Why didn’t tear the embroidery on his chest when he was offered to betray Nenk to Ukraine? Why did he run to Mariupol, but did not develop success, and did not capture Moscow? Why didn’t I tell you about my dear Petro Poroshenko, a photo card of some kind of teak and helped him in a bother? Why doesn't he finish? Or maybe he has already become a separatyug and colorado? And skillfully disguised?))))
        1. Filxnumx
          Filxnumx 4 September 2017 20: 00
          +2
          Sure, the colorado is in disguise! It would be necessary to conduct a physical examination of Cyborg Sasha: for sure, on his chest, a St. George ribbon is already impaled and Putin's portrait is near his heart!
      2. LeonidL
        LeonidL 5 September 2017 01: 54
        +2
        And they read it ???? Well ... fantastic, just lovely !!!! Grandfather Bandera from the Donbass ??? Gave a machine gun with ribbons ??? Or, of course, the German MG with a stock of ammunition? ... Only now those cartridges have probably rotted long ago, and grandfather with a machine gun ... And sixteen zapadensky heroes !!! Lovely !!! The writer is ready! went to bed in the evening - woke up in captivity! I wonder what the writer smoked for inspiration?
      3. Ursus
        Ursus 5 September 2017 13: 36
        +1
        warriors - horror! I read and it became really scary: it’s so brutal and touching at the same time that straight thoughts about the split personality of this soldier do not come from my head.

        (C) to \ f Radio Day
        - We went with the men to the North Pole, so an icicle grew under his nose, broke away and killed the dog. No, of course nonsense, but as it says :)
  4. zivXP
    zivXP 4 September 2017 15: 04
    +2
    Hmm, there is something in this, we need to think about this proposal. smile
  5. Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 4 September 2017 15: 05
    +6
    Eh patients on the upper part of the head and lower, and the bottom has constant diarrhea.
  6. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 4 September 2017 15: 07
    +2
    Russian battalion-tactical groups showed complete unpreparedness for contact fights and offensive operations in the conditions of contact combat. Faced with persistent and organized resistance, the Russian units immediately began to withdraw. Therefore, preference was given to delivering fire defeat to Ukrainian troops from a distance.

    And if the imaginary "Russian troops" would climb into a contact battle, then iksperd would proudly broadcast about "Russian cave tactics - filling up fortified defensive positions with corpses". And would give an example of an army of overseas elves, which, meeting stubborn and organized resistance, does not climb on the rampage, but moves away to advantageous positions and causes artillery fire or airstrike. laughing
    1. tomket
      tomket 4 September 2017 18: 26
      0
      Quote: Alexey RA
      and retreats to advantageous positions and causes artillery fire or airstrike.

      Uses martial magic))) That's exactly what ukrov now looks like art kick and air support))))))
    2. kimvladimiril
      kimvladimiril 5 September 2017 16: 11
      0
      Were there observers in the exercises there?
  7. major071
    major071 4 September 2017 15: 10
    +20
    If you're dumb like a cork
    But called himself an "expert"
    Blow more than cheeks
    And of course the eyebrows frown
    And then they will believe you
    Call it all true
    And then probably
    They will call in the transfer ...
    wink drinks
    1. LSA57
      LSA57 4 September 2017 15: 40
      +6
      Quote: major071
      They will call in the transfer ...

      this program was closed sad called "visiting a fairy tale"
  8. Govorun
    Govorun 4 September 2017 15: 10
    +6
    Ukrainian "expert": Having met resistance in the Donbass, the Russian Armed Forces began to withdraw ...
    On my own behalf, I want to congratulate the "expert" on resisting Russian aggression in words, paper and in a drunken stupor ....
    YURI BUTUSOV !!!
    1. Ace Tambourine
      Ace Tambourine 4 September 2017 20: 01
      +3
      And Piglet can be immediately made a complete cover of all 4 degrees ...
      Well, a premium, nominal squirrel as a gift ... but why trifle ... a herd of squirrels ...
  9. Damir
    Damir 4 September 2017 15: 14
    +1
    But what is it ... the summer did not have time to end ....

    how immediately from everywhere characters climbed with aggravations ....
  10. AVA77
    AVA77 4 September 2017 15: 17
    0
    Everything seems much simpler to me, this expert is a drug addict, so it turns out either a departure or a parish. wassat
  11. ibn.shamai
    ibn.shamai 4 September 2017 15: 18
    +2
    And what is the conclusion? winked What will we do with the clinging Raska? The infection did not come to war. It threatens from under the silence and the “wars of light” diapers are running out! tongue
  12. Prisoner
    Prisoner 4 September 2017 15: 19
    0
    What is drunk on the mind, then Svidomo "expert" in the language.
  13. bagr69
    bagr69 4 September 2017 15: 28
    0
    Fear has big eyes.
  14. Tolstoevsky
    Tolstoevsky 4 September 2017 15: 29
    0
    The Russian army will not bite its hands on the greatest army of the universe
  15. cariperpaint
    cariperpaint 4 September 2017 15: 31
    +3
    read read ... re-read on a new ... what is he talking about? What is his understanding of contact combat in general? What is Suvorov’s technique? what other seepage? Particularly impressed by the novelty of our army under the name of bilateral exercises. we ourselves did not think of it) a fabulous stream of consciousness.
    1. Stalinistmmsk
      Stalinistmmsk 9 September 2017 18: 25
      0
      A saber and muskets with attached bayonets, as well as the dashing onslaught of the Altai horse-drawn militia police on a pony.
  16. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 4 September 2017 15: 33
    +9
    "Encountering persistent and organized resistance to Russian units
    immediately began the departure. Therefore, preference was given to applying
    fire destruction to Ukrainian troops from a distance "////

    So it is necessary to act. If the battalion group managed to advance
    deep, to complete the task is good. And if he runs into organized defense, then he moves away
    and causes reinforcements and fire support.
    (Now "men do not give birth to new men." We must fight those who are).
    1. dubovitskiy.1947
      dubovitskiy.1947 4 September 2017 15: 56
      +1
      Quote: voyaka uh
      "Encountering persistent and organized resistance to Russian units
      immediately began the departure. Therefore, preference was given to applying
      fire destruction to Ukrainian troops from a distance "////

      So it is necessary to act. If the battalion group managed to advance
      deep, to complete the task is good. And if he runs into organized defense, then he moves away
      and causes reinforcements and fire support.
      (Now "men do not give birth to new men." We must fight those who are).

      The conclusions of this thinker show envy. Damned Muscovites do not act at all like the cyborgs at the Donetsk airport or Ilovaysky boiler. Put half of what went on the offensive in the name of a frog swoop.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 4 September 2017 17: 03
        0
        Ilovaysky cauldron and a few of the first lost battles are a consequence of the inexperience of the Ukrainian army. At the airport, there was a tactical, “prestigious” confrontation, and it was about equal.
        1. svp67
          svp67 4 September 2017 17: 06
          +4
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Ilovaysky cauldron and a few of the first lost battles are a consequence of the inexperience of the Ukrainian army. At the airport, there was a tactical, “prestigious” confrontation, and it was about equal.

          You confuse MANEUVER ACTIONS and POSITIONAL. And I don’t agree on the account of "equals", since they still left the airport ...
        2. tomket
          tomket 4 September 2017 18: 29
          +2
          Quote: voyaka uh
          At the airport, there was a tactical, “prestigious” confrontation, and it was about equal.

          Usually such "prestigious" are isolated in the process of advancement of troops. And then they either clean themselves with art or die of hunger.
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 4 September 2017 18: 34
            0
            In a specific case of the Donetsk airport to Russian sappers
            had to mine the supporting columns of the building and at the same time
            undermine to win.
            1. japs
              japs 4 September 2017 19: 02
              +9
              You, dear, slightly mixed up the scene. It is the pillars of the twin buildings in N. York that were mined and blown up. Probably also "Russian" sappers.
              If you're lying, then do not run up.
            2. Okolotochny
              Okolotochny 4 September 2017 19: 06
              +9
              In the specific case of Donetsk airport Russian sappers
              had to mine the supporting columns of the building and at the same time
              undermine to win.

              A reference to the Old Russian sappers possible?
              1. surovts.valery
                surovts.valery 5 September 2017 13: 44
                +2
                He (voyaka uh) has somewhere a list of 4 thousand Russian troops in stock, which he dug up from the Russian press, the truth, however, did not bring. Here are the “Russian sappers” on this list (he has somewhere).
                See the article on VO for 15.08 “The sentimental report of the GPU on the defeat near Ilovaisk” and his comment:
                In my estimation - the sum of all the information from the Russian press (I don’t read Ukrainian)
                approximately 4000 Russian soldiers. In three - at least - battles in 2014-2015.

                If you do not enter into a dispute with him, but ask for a link, he immediately becomes silent, until the next post.
                And about the mining of support columns, I read somewhere that the “mountain snake” (cord charge) was put on the roof.
                1. Okolotochny
                  Okolotochny 5 September 2017 16: 00
                  +5
                  Yes, I understand, like the "Forgotten Regiment" site. Well, why slide into VO to such a level ?.
            3. tomket
              tomket 4 September 2017 19: 08
              +1
              Quote: voyaka uh
              had to mine the supporting columns of the building and at the same time
              undermine to win.

              In my opinion, a logical decision))))) What out of the ordinary I do not see here, the work of sappers and common sense.
  17. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 4 September 2017 15: 36
    +1
    Here are the composers. And the method of attack is "under the umbrella", when artillery fires with blasting shells with a radio fuse, moving in front of the tanks a firing shaft of shells bursting at an altitude of 50 meters! And 200 meters in front. They won’t raise their heads there, but they are weaving something about organized defense ... Apart from complete domination in the air.
  18. vfqjh
    vfqjh 4 September 2017 15: 38
    +1
    How much it would be desirable that the Russian troops slammed into this rifle, maybe then the bastards will shut up!
    1. Captain Nemo
      Captain Nemo 6 September 2017 20: 01
      0
      Will you volunteer yourself, of course? Embed that? Or leave this honorable duty to others?
  19. Doliva63
    Doliva63 4 September 2017 15: 39
    +8
    Discuss the patient on the head of a layman - I can’t drink so much drinks
  20. Sailor
    Sailor 4 September 2017 15: 54
    +1
    Well, at the expense of the fact that in 3 years ukro-warriors learned to fight this is true, and Debaltseve confirms this, there were big losses on both sides, and at the beginning of the ATO the loss ratio was in favor of LDNR.
  21. Altona
    Altona 4 September 2017 15: 57
    +1
    I remembered the words of one VSUshnik, who bluntly said bluntly: "If the Russian army really will advance here, then we will either run away, having previously spoiled the nearest bushes for great need, or raising our arms high up to give up. And it’s better not to resist at all . " And then all sorts of outlandish "experts", then Butusov, then Biryukov, give out some kind of version beyond good and evil. Especially about the "tank offensive" and "counter attacks with the support of tanks." As if the battles of 1941 with the absence of our aviation in the sky are described. In order to lay out tank columns of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, no “battalion groups” will participate; aviation and missiles will do everything.
    1. Olegovi4
      Olegovi4 4 September 2017 17: 11
      +2
      Quote: Altona
      And then all sorts of outlandish "experts", then Butusov, then Biryukov, give out some kind of version beyond good and evil.

      these pans can broadcast anything. for they are far from the front, and even if the north wind begins on the outskirts, then these earhooks will hit the first slippers
  22. polev66
    polev66 4 September 2017 16: 10
    +2
    the dude outplayed the Cossacks at an easy level ... there, too, the AI ​​began to run with any resistance ....
    but in fact just this “iksperd” really doesn’t know the capabilities of the Russian army ... judges by its invincibly invincible ... they gave us its face in Ilovaysk
  23. faterdom
    faterdom 4 September 2017 16: 24
    +1
    Yuri Butusov to assign the honorary name "Bredlav" ahead of schedule! Although, like the NATO already had one Breedlove?
  24. yuliatreb
    yuliatreb 4 September 2017 16: 25
    +2
    I didn’t want to leave a comment, but I have to, a nonsense of complete stupidity, stupidity and inadequacy Yuri Butusov You are a genius
  25. Olegovi4
    Olegovi4 4 September 2017 17: 09
    0
    another stubborn
  26. Looking for
    Looking for 4 September 2017 17: 14
    0
    But it’s interesting. Do all those who have noted here understand that you are creating the name of an advertisement for this scoundrel and adventurer.
    1. Machete
      Machete 4 September 2017 18: 09
      +2
      What kind of advertising?
      We are not going to take anything from him. And if advertising is mixing him with shit and putting it up as a very stupid person, then in the coffin I saw such an advertisement addressed to me.
    2. DEPARTMENT
      DEPARTMENT 4 September 2017 19: 17
      0
      Quote: Seeker
      But it’s interesting. Do all those who have noted here understand that you are creating the name of an advertisement for this scoundrel and adventurer.

      By the way, he doesn’t really like to shine, but I remember the "hackers" opened his mail .. He scolded at his hires that they badly "wet Russia" and the Russians ..
      P / S I've been there ... It's horrible, it feels like I was surrounded by a flock of stray and evil dogs .. Noise, din, bark .. ban ... Again reg and again .. There are hundreds of them! heh heh .. Short spiteful comments and immediately on a different topic .. Jamal there was a "friend" he hehe lifted each other up .. And then all this got tired, terrible noise and whine and hatred went off scale! negative
  27. svyadomayamrazskaka2018
    svyadomayamrazskaka2018 4 September 2017 17: 35
    0
    I wish that all Svidomo plebeians in the Usrainsky Zoo turned into pigs.
  28. Machete
    Machete 4 September 2017 18: 07
    +1
    As I understand it, he does not even suggest a massive attack from the air in the APU in the war?
    Yeah, only tanks and only in the forehead. This is clear. They even forgot what combat aircraft is.
    I see, I see ...
  29. Essex62
    Essex62 4 September 2017 18: 30
    +2
    But do these experts, in general, have any kind of military education? What is going on with the Slavic world? Even in a nightmare, such a degradation of the Russians (the borderlands) could not be dreamed of. Even the younger political instructor, in the 30s – 40s, had a better understanding of battle tactics and general issues of strategy. But then more than half of the population of the USSR barely write - skillfully read.
  30. IQ12NHJ21az
    IQ12NHJ21az 4 September 2017 18: 37
    +4
    These exercises were covered in our press, this "expert" saw the word of the Suvorov and let us fantasize ... It's like in a joke: in the Donbass, no one has fought with Russian troops, and therefore they are attacking Crimea. that there are definitely Russian troops there.
  31. Orionvit
    Orionvit 4 September 2017 18: 48
    +4
    Amazing logic. Butusov had just ignorantly mocked the Russian Armed Forces, conducting bilateral maneuvers, and he immediately said that such exercises are normal and justified practice for NATO countries
    Strange, since the time of the Union, large exercises have always had, for example, “northern and southern”, and even in the game “Zarnitsa”, there were “blue and green”. I was surprised to learn that bilateral exercises are something new.
  32. nivander
    nivander 4 September 2017 18: 52
    +1
    Hello! We arrived - near Ilovaisk Motorola group several times went around the perimeter of the boiler with Ukrainians counterclockwise, this gave a tactical advantage when meeting with another disorganized crowd of light soldiers
  33. japs
    japs 4 September 2017 19: 11
    +4
    Tell me, guys, this is the 90th, etc., that was deployed in Bernau near Berlin?
    My father served in her. And, accordingly, my school years, high school.
    Schönovsky training ground, Wandlitzsee, Lanka and Lobetal ...
  34. win9090
    win9090 4 September 2017 19: 39
    +1
    Well, with such a super ukroarmiya, you have to see to break through their positions with the use of nuclear weapons
  35. Ace Tambourine
    Ace Tambourine 4 September 2017 19: 47
    +1
    ... I don’t understand one thing, so we are there, in / on Usrain, and are at war, or"Russian army
    will
    invade Ukraine ”
    ?
    I don’t understand anything ...
    1. LeonidL
      LeonidL 5 September 2017 01: 48
      +3
      So they themselves have not yet decided whether they are fighting, then they are not fighting ... You know, like he entered - he left, he didn’t enter again ... then their generals gloomyly declare that the Russian army was not found and there were no facts of its presence ... then again they are fighting with her. Probably in Russia invented the same invisible hats, boots, boots and carpets, planes. ... However, autumn, gentlemen! Autumn is a time of exacerbation of mental illness. Pity the wretched.
  36. 23424636
    23424636 4 September 2017 23: 33
    +1
    where this Chaldean bootus fell into disrepair when Ukrainians from Ilovaysk rained T-64 with torn towers and corpses on wires and the trees both grew and stood just a little bit off. , The main thing was not visible to the opposing side. Only burnt equipment and a mess in the dugouts and trenches.
  37. LeonidL
    LeonidL 5 September 2017 01: 45
    +3
    Well, if this "expert" and "expert" then he should still combine the Chelyabinsk exercises with the maneuvers of the Pacific Fleet and the campaign of ships in the Arctic, otherwise the picture is incomplete. However, it is possible to perceive Kukev experts only from the point of view of a certain humorous company working to warm up the public before the start of the next performance of the Shapito Kukuev circus.
  38. Evil 55
    Evil 55 5 September 2017 02: 26
    0
    Maneuvers at the Chebarkul training ground is an incomprehensible topic ... Whose nerves are there?
  39. raw174
    raw174 5 September 2017 06: 18
    +2
    And what, closer to Ukraine there are no tankers? He needs to be driven from Chebarkul, in his opinion? ... But in the homeland of this “expert”, they believe him!
  40. SerZh1972
    SerZh1972 5 September 2017 09: 44
    0
    Quote: vfqjh
    hit on this shawarma

    It will be more correct lol
  41. polarural
    polarural 5 September 2017 10: 38
    0
    Yuri Butusov, only 0 - just flaunting, outbred (like a military expert), illiterate and uneducated scribbler, through two "K".
  42. serezhasoldatow
    serezhasoldatow 5 September 2017 13: 15
    0
    Zadornov was not standing nearby. Outdid everyone.
  43. kimvladimiril
    kimvladimiril 5 September 2017 16: 06
    +1
    Quote: krops777
    Two battalion tactical groups of the 90 Tank Division reinforced by units of motorized infantry, missile forces and artillery, sappers and electronic warfare - in total more than 1,5 thousand people and more 300 units of equipment took part in practical actions.


    I forgot to mention the Buryat Submarine Tank Division (BPTD) laughing

    Underwater - is this apparently composed of an underwater?
  44. demo
    demo 5 September 2017 21: 36
    +1
    The theme for the considerations of the Ukrainian "experts" was not only the soon launched Russian-Belarusian military maneuvers "West-2017", but also the already completed exercises of tank and motorized rifle units in the Chelyabinsk region. The maneuvers at the Chebarkul test site, as noted by some conspiracy therapists in Kiev, are almost the prelude to an “invasion”.

    It seemed to me, or our President, in childhood, read a fairy tale about a boy who attracted attention by the fact that from time to time he shouted loudly - Wolves!
    And he understood this tale correctly.
  45. Alexander Prikhodko
    Alexander Prikhodko 6 September 2017 10: 31
    0
    So the Russian army has invaded for a long time - because the Donbass is in occupation, or whatever - you’ve gotten quite there
  46. Captain Nemo
    Captain Nemo 6 September 2017 19: 56
    0
    Interestingly, if I call the opinion of a Ukrainian expert “verbal diarrhea”, will I get another warning? Or is this epithet only articles on VO cannot be characterized?
  47. d.gksueyjd
    d.gksueyjd 6 September 2017 20: 19
    0
    This territory is Ukraine, the Russian Federation needs it, like a dog 5 legs - banderlogs are not subject to re-education and humanization, let Poland fight with them along with the EU. When the banderlogs loot everything that is possible at home, they will begin to rob the neighbors, and remembering the age-old hatred of Poland, they will start from it.
  48. vkaplich
    vkaplich 9 September 2017 01: 15
    +1
    Why waste time analyzing Facebook posts from the Censor editor? It is clear that a person is not in himself.
  49. Bat
    Bat 10 September 2017 20: 27
    0
    I'm tired of being surprised at the dullness of the Okraintsev. Whatever the word is nonsense. Whatever the act is just crazy.