Russian shipyards entered the fight for the right to build an icebreaker "Leader"

The Baltic plant, which Vladimir Putin called the flagship of shipbuilding in June, mentioning the new nuclear icebreaker Leader among its orders, could lose this promising project, reports Kommersant.

According to the newspaper, United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC) plans to transfer the construction of a new super-powered icebreaker “Severnaya Verf”.

“Although both the Severnaya Verf and the Baltzavod are part of the USC, large independent enterprises of the corporation are de facto competing for orders, and Leader is a project that can become the basis for the prospective loading of one or another shipyard. Meanwhile, right now, none of the shipyards in Russia are ready for the construction of an icebreaker, ”the newspaper writes.

The general director of BZS, Aleksey Kadilov, recently admitted that today “Russia cannot make Leader”, in particular, “due to the lack of suitable parameters at the shipyards (icebreaker length 209 m, width 47,5 m) and sufficient water depth.” We need a serious investment in dredging.

One of the possible options for the “Leader” was that Kadilov also called the Kerch “Gulf”, where the atomic lighter “Sevmorput” was built (the draft of 12 m, the “Leader” will have a minimum, 11,5 m), but dredging will be required there.

In the "Gulf" newspaper assured that "the project is of great interest" and the company "has all the necessary capacity." Moreover, the plant is already preparing for the possibility of obtaining a "Leader". They explained that "construction can be carried out in dry dock with a length of 360 m and a width of 60 m." The company has already revived the nuclear safety department and plans to create an aggregation site.

Although the three leading shipyards are actively fighting for the Leader, the project’s prospects are still not clear.

The Ministry of Economic Development clarified that they submitted to the government a draft state program for the development of the Arctic zone with the item “Development of the shipbuilding industry” for the construction of the “Leader”. The amount of financing and terms will be determined “when the Ministry of Industry and Trade provides the necessary supporting documents and materials”. In turn, the Ministry of Industry and Trade said that the decision to build an icebreaker "is in the final stages of adoption and the relevant regulatory clearance." Now sources of financing are being determined.

According to the source of the publication in the industry, clarification of the situation is expected in September-October.

Comments

[Vend]

But I wonder how they compete? Do they cut prices? But if the construction of an icebreaker costs for example 200 millions, then if you cut the price, then what? Not quality materials?

[Anarchist]

Or at the expense of the salaries of workers!
Or its complete absence.

[Vladimir16]

Quote: Anarchist

But I wonder how they compete? Do they cut prices?

Competition is from the evil one. The fight at the price is just a kidnak of the customer. Lower price - no performance requirements. It is a fact.
It's about the possibility of a shipyard to build this ship.

[Vend]

Quote: Vladimir16

It's about the possibility of a shipyard to build this ship.

Well then, this is not competition, but an assessment of opportunities.

[maxim947]

Or at the expense of the salaries of workers! [i] [/ i] What kind of nonsense? And why do you think that one thief is sitting there? Everything is far from it. There are individual punctures, but this is an exception, not a rule.
There is competition, in addition to technical feasibility, they consider the size of the costs necessary to prepare for production and there is such a thing as the maximum allowable price. Here enterprises and "fight" by offering their services knocking down the price. But there are other factors that take into account, this is primarily the staff and experience of such work, workload of the enterprise, etc.

[Samaritan]

Quote: Vladimir16

Quote: Anarchist

But I wonder how they compete? Do they cut prices?

Competition is from the evil one

The people, well, you are generally far from the topic or something ??? Discount for journalists! Everything is as always simple and it makes no sense to fan the scandal !!!
The customer complies with the legislation of the Russian Federation, namely the Federal Law 44:
ABOUT THE CONTRACT SYSTEM IN THE FIELD OF PURCHASING GOODS, WORKS, SERVICES FOR SECURING STATE AND MUNICIPAL NEEDS
The customer is obliged to send the task to several performers !!!

[Vend]

Quote: Samaritan

Quote: Vladimir16

Quote: Anarchist

But I wonder how they compete? Do they cut prices?

Competition is from the evil one

The people, well, you are generally far from the topic or something ??? Discount for journalists! Everything is as always simple and it makes no sense to fan the scandal !!!
The customer complies with the legislation of the Russian Federation, namely the Federal Law 44:
ABOUT THE CONTRACT SYSTEM IN THE FIELD OF PURCHASING GOODS, WORKS, SERVICES FOR SECURING STATE AND MUNICIPAL NEEDS
The customer is obliged to send the task to several performers !!!

That is, they are sent for fiction, and the customer is already known. Well, after all, we are still dismantling the consequences of Western economic introductions.

[Samaritan]

Quote: Wend

That is, they are sent for fiction, and the customer is already known. Well, after all, we are still dismantling the consequences of Western economic introductions.

WHY WESTERN? and in the USSR it was the same!

[Vend]

Quote: Samaritan

Quote: Wend

That is, they are sent for fiction, and the customer is already known. Well, after all, we are still dismantling the consequences of Western economic introductions.

WHY WESTERN? and in the USSR it was the same!

There were no tenders in the USSR. Where the state order was sent was decided in the ministries. There was another spreading order throughout the country. Wheels from Belarus, gears from Siberia, etc.

[maxim947]

Come on! In aviation and space, it was precisely the throats that gnawed at orders; this was a healthy competition between design bureaus. So it was different, and the wheels and gears are nonsense.

[Vend]

Quote: maxim947

Come on! In aviation and space, it was precisely the throats that gnawed at orders; this was a healthy competition between design bureaus. So it was different, and the wheels and gears are nonsense.

Yes you? Here is an example. Omsk Sibzavod produced crankshafts for DT-54 tractors, which were assembled at Altai, Kharkov and Stalingrad plants. Yes, here is a modern example of the heritage of the USSR, turbines came to Russia from Ukraine.

[maxim947]

And so what? Was it necessary to build a turbine plant near each state district power station? Note all the enterprises under the Union WORK with normal load! And this is the main indicator, but there were some disadvantages of the planned economy, but in general a positive result on the face. Compare with the current state of affairs. We rumble and rumble to that level, by the way, under the Union, we had the second economy in the world with a lower percentage of hydrocarbon sales.

[Vend]

Quote: maxim947

And so what? Was it necessary to build a turbine plant near each state district power station? Note all the enterprises under the Union WORK with normal load! And this is the main indicator, but there were some disadvantages of the planned economy, but in general a positive result on the face. Compare with the current state of affairs. We rumble and rumble to that level, by the way, under the Union, we had the second economy in the world with a lower percentage of hydrocarbon sales.

Come on you bustle and go aside. Production in the USSR was specially spread throughout the country in order to load everyone. This is what I said, and you yourself have confirmed it. Understand in your head, then you deny that the production was in one city, and the details were made in different ones. Then you say that it was and it’s normal. You are gracious inadequate to yourself.

[Samaritan]

In the USSR there was a competition of various design bureaus, research institutes, factories, etc.
Remember the story of the tanks.
The Ministry of Defense departments responsible for acquiring weapons used competitive methods for the procurement of the latest models, so the level of competition in the USSR defense industry has always been extremely high!
The organizational separation of developers - civil defense ministries and purchasers - departments of the Ministry of Defense made it possible to organize real competition and responsibility of manufacturers. Finally, at the very top of the administrative pyramid, intersectoral coordination of the defense industry was carried out through interdepartmental commissions of the Council of Ministers and departments of the Central Committee of the CPSU. The top of the pyramid was the Military Industrial Commission under the Council of Ministers of the USSR.

[Vend]

Quote: Samaritan

In the USSR there was a competition of various design bureaus, research institutes, factories, etc.
Remember the story of the tanks.

I can not agree. This is not exactly that competition. which now. They gave a competitive order for development, and not for production. If it was a question of developing a new icebreaker, then your example is correct.

Quote: Samaritan

The Ministry of Defense departments responsible for acquiring weapons used competitive methods for the procurement of the latest models, so the level of competition in the USSR defense industry has always been extremely high!
The organizational separation of developers - civil defense ministries and purchasers - departments of the Ministry of Defense made it possible to organize real competition and responsibility of manufacturers. Finally, at the very top of the administrative pyramid, intersectoral coordination of the defense industry was carried out through interdepartmental commissions of the Council of Ministers and departments of the Central Committee of the CPSU. The top of the pyramid was the Military Industrial Commission under the Council of Ministers of the USSR.

The decision to which plant to give production to was taken by the military-industrial complex. Of course, there were a lot of backstage actions of ministers and responsible officials, pulling to their side, but this is not competition, but corruption.

[maxim947]

In the USSR there was a competition of various design bureaus, research institutes, factories, etc.[i] [/ i]
I fully agree.

[siberalt]

Well, now each other - will each other's hair be pulled apart and their throats gnawed? Yes, they will only choose the one who rolls back more to the customer. Ash stump, the system is as follows.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Wend

But if the construction of an icebreaker costs for example 200 million, then if you cut the price, then what?

Due to the materials from the contractors, the terms of construction and delivery, the geography of the shipyard is important again, so that you don’t have to drag such drains across the floor of the world.
I’m interested in something else ... it means the Leader icebreaker was going to lay and build, and when will we be able to lay the destroyer Leader?

[Tusv]

Quote: NEXUS

I’m interested in something else ... it means the Leader icebreaker was going to lay and build, and when will we be able to lay the destroyer Leader?

Andrew. Well, good afternoon. In war as in war. Front-line fighting continues. Here look. They sanctioned us, and we drew them a loss for 2016 of 2,9 bucks for MBTU or 100 bucks per thousand cubic meters. But still the first stage of Yamal LNG has not been delivered (94% readiness) Well, as my friend Michelson said, the cost of Yamal LNG is 0.7 bucks per MBTU, which is equal to 35.8 thousand cubic meters of gas. So icebreakers are now more necessary for us than destroyers

[NEXUS]

Quote: Tusv

So icebreakers are now more necessary for us than destroyers

Greetings, Vladimir.
Why is it like this all the time? The whole time dilemma in building the right defense for you? We increase the purchase of frigates, cut the purchase and construction of the SU-57 ... and so on in almost everything. And now the defense budget is not being cut pointwise, but in general. What is there to enjoy?
Icebreakers are really good. And rightly so, what are we building. But what about the strike ships of the ocean zone? Or as one of the local speakers advised, “What for us oceans and seas? We have enough to strengthen our coasts with our heads ...

[Tusv]

Quote: NEXUS

Why is it like this all the time? The whole time dilemma in building the right defense for you?

And which country would be able to withstand such a powerful blow to the economy of 2014? I already asked a question, why 3 borea and only 1 ash. The Yankees only understand power. And yes we survived. The military budget was sequestered by 5 percent, but in fact more than 50% was transferred to other projects. Hence the rattle of gas turbines, air defense and Pak Fa, but they are already returning

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: NEXUS

Due to the materials from the contractors, the terms of construction and delivery, the geography of the shipyard is important again, so that you don’t have to drag such drains across the floor of the world.

We have such shipyards - like a cat wept. Location: Peter, Severodvinsk, Komsomolsk-on-Amur. Almost all orders are up to the mark. And then there’s some kind of struggle ... By golly - this is the "undercover fight of the Nanai boys"

[Samaritan]

And here's another great news: The first stage of factory sea trials of the latest icebreaker Ilya Muromets successfully completed https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/97406/

And in Finland, the ice class ship Mikhail Lazarev was launched at Arctech Helsinki Shipyard

And before that, the ice class ship Fedor Ushakov was launched
Серия:
No. 511 - laid down on 17.12.15/30.06.16/02.03.17 - launched on XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX - transferred on XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX - "Gennady Nevelskaya"
No. 512 - laid down on 04.02.16/10.10.16/15.06.17 - launched on XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX - transmitted on XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX - "Stepan Makarov"
No. 513 - laid down 15.07.16/07.2017/XNUMX - launched XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX - "Fedor Ushakov"
No. 514 - laid in 2016 - “Mikhail Lazarev”

[maxim947]

I say hello to the SUN site))) if people would go there more often, there would be less moaning that everything was gone.

[weksha50]

Quote: Wend

But I wonder how they compete?

This "competition" is from the evil one ... It is clearly and clearly stated that almost now no one is ready to build such an icebreaker ...
And then comes verbiage, the search for ways to cut and brake everything that can be braked and torpedoed ...

[Gardamir]

But I wonder how they compete?

bribes will be given to those who decide where to build.
Although this is a state affair. And the decision must be made at the very top, without any competition.

[WHAT IS]

And when will the Leader Combat Ship be built ??? Not ... Not the ice crusher (with all due respect, of course). THE FIGHT SHIP ...

[Nasrat]

This ice crusher is a warship ... such a warship.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Nasr

This ice crusher is a warship ... such a warship.

Yes? And what is his militancy? What is generally known about this project? Will they put weapons on him or not?

[Nasrat]

On some ships and weapons do not need to put
And its militancy is in accessibility to the Arctic - where eighty percent of gas production, eleven percent of oil production, ninety-five percent of nickel production and one hundred percent - apatite. It is difficult to even list all the mineral resources that these territories give us. The cargo flow in the Arctic is entirely connected with the export of this product, and this is many tens of millions of tons. Not only icebreakers will be needed, but also cargo ships in sufficient quantities, and of the highest classes, for example - Arc-7. And the number of icebreakers needs to be doubled at least, because all those working now are already running out of their last warranty periods.

[Tusv]

Quote: Nasr

and the highest classes, for example - Arc-7

About that and speech. Previously, when our shipyards could not cope, they trusted the Finns, and now the Koreans can, and much faster. Oh, in vain we passed our technology on Hyundai. Oh in vain

[Nasrat]

Quote: Tusv

Previously, when our shipyards could not cope, they trusted the Finns, and now the Koreans can, and much faster. Oh, in vain we passed our technology on Hyundai. Oh in vain

Tokyo hopes that issues of Russian-Japanese cooperation on the development of the Arctic will be discussed at a meeting between Russian President Vladimir Putin and Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe on the sidelines of the upcoming Eastern Economic Forum in Vladivostok, said Japanese Ambassador Maj. Caji Ide. Speaking at the VII international meeting of representatives of the Arctic Council member states, observer countries in the Arctic Council and foreign scientific community, Ide said that Japan was ready to develop cooperation with Russia in the development of the Arctic, including cooperation on economic and scientific projects, as well as on issues of international law in the Arctic region.

[Tusv]

Quote: Nasr

Tokyo hopes that issues of Russian-Japanese cooperation on the development of the Arctic will be discussed at a meeting of Russian President Vladimir Putin and Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe on the sidelines of the upcoming Eastern Economic Forum in Vladivostok

And then the point. Unless they fit into the share of the Silk Road. So it’s Mr. C who must be invited to the fields. The Northern Sea Route bullet has long been painted. Apazdal Abe, stuck in the northern territories

[NEXUS]

Quote: Nasr

And its militancy is in accessibility to the Arctic - where eighty percent of gas production, eleven percent of oil production, ninety-five percent of nickel production and one hundred percent - apatite.

Yeah ... only now we have 40 icebreakers of various types ... the largest nuclear icebreaker fleet in the world. At the same time, after the collapse of the union, we are practically not building shock ships in the ocean zone. Take a look at how many mattresses and Canadians have icebreakers and with which performance characteristics ...
The Arctic is a rich region, but at the expense of our appetites in those lands, it is not right to infringe on our interests in other areas. Example, we have been much experienced for example Siberia, the Urals, Kamchatka? And all this diversity must be protected and defended by something. Icebreakers are too highly specialized ships.

[Nasrat]

Quote: NEXUS

Icebreakers are too highly specialized ships.

And the warship of the ocean zone is the same highly specialized ship.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Nasr

And the warship of the ocean zone is the same highly specialized ship.

And excuse me, where can icebreakers still go in order to be used for their intended purpose? M And where can shock ocean ships go?

[Nasrat]

Quote: NEXUS

And where can shock ocean ships go? Enlighten?

I will say where shock ocean ships can NOT go ..... in the Arctic (Antarctic), i.e. off your own coast ... and icebreakers can!

If necessary, put a couple of containers with clubs on the icebreaker, and now some kind of one, but a warship! ...

[Tusv]

Quote: NEXUS

Take a look at how many mattresses and Canadians have icebreakers and with which performance characteristics ...

Canadians are decent, but the Yankees are somehow not very

[Samaritan]

Quote: Tusv

Canadians are decent, but the Yankees are somehow not very

Oh, don’t tell, even Finland has more
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[Tusv]

Well, do not tell the outsole of my slippers. The construction of Axel goes to Korea. Ugh and grind

[Tusv]

The director general of BPS Alexey Kadilov recently admitted that today “Russia cannot make a Leader”, in particular “because of the lack of suitable parameters at the shipyards of the docks (icebreaker length 209 m, width 47,5 m) and sufficient water depth”. Serious investment in dredging needed

Well, there would be a desire. The port of Sabetta on the Yamal Peninsula was deepened and made year-round. BUT it seems that the case will be ordered to the Koreans

[weksha50]

"Baltic factory, which Vladimir Putin called the flagship of shipbuilding in June, mentioning among his orders the new nuclear icebreaker "Leader", may lose this promising project "...

And - not a word that some of the assets of the Baltic plant are already going to be sold to various "investors", and the territory of the plant is to be given for residential development ...
Guys, how much can you lie to the people brazenly in the eyes, while before his eyes, brazenly trampling-destroying-robbing everything that remains ...
Rogozin - blowing the same tune - agreed to the fact that this atomic leader icebreaker will be built in the Far East ... And Tatarstan blowing his tune - was also going to build it ... Are there too many craftsmen on the loaf? Gobble up, and then they say - didn’t work ???

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: weksha50

And - not a word that some of the assets of the Baltic plant are already going to be sold to various "investors", and the territory of the plant is to be given for residential development ...

This is the key phrase of the whole article, which for some reason was not given in the news itself! Naturally, the Baltic Shipyard should build these icebreakers, because it has the experience of such a scale and now they are building icebreakers of the Arctic type and the floating nuclear power plant Lomonosov. But its territory has long been squinted at. In the mid-2000s, spruce trees fought off the bastard-oligarch Pugachev, now they put new effective eye managers, under "elite housing." One of the main shipyards of the city and the country, they want to exchange for residential complexes - here you have the development of industry.

[zivXP]

Let them build here in Russia. Albeit with difficulties, but such an experience needs to be developed by ourselves.

[seregatara1969]

the plant that received the order for the construction of the nuclear submarine will subsequently receive many orders and bonuses as one who can build a complex machine

[san4es]

One of the possible options for the "Leader" Kadilov also called the Kerch "Bay", where the nuclear lighter carrier "Sevmorput" was built

[Engineer]

And this option is not considered at all?

[fedor13]

Somehow the nasal superstructure is embarrassing, people will feel like they will when the ice is destroyed!?!

[maxim947]

Vend,
It’s in your head vinaigrette, everything seems to be clearly written for me, you don’t have to think out for me. It was all different and it worked.

[APASUS]

I thought our really would do something futuristic, like the Volga -21 at one time, but everything turned out as always

[LeonidL]

Icebreaker or destroyer ????