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The struggle for water will be tougher than the struggle for oil? About the World Water Week

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In Stockholm, opened the World Water Week. This event takes place without wide coverage in large media, at least against the background of much more extensive coverage, for example, of OPEC summits. In fact, the issues discussed at the meeting in Stockholm are, to put it mildly, not less important for the security of mankind than the issues of oil prices. The reason is that today more than a billion people on Earth every day do not receive sufficient amounts of clean fresh water, and therefore, in the near future, a serious struggle may unfold over water resources. At the same time, experts believe that even the war for oil will seem to be "flowers" against the background of conflicts over water.

The struggle for water will be tougher than the struggle for oil? About the World Water Week

In the photo the hydraulic structure of the Moscow Canal


About three thousand delegates from more than 100 countries of the world gather in Stockholm.

According to the World Health Organization, about a thousand children under the age of five die every day in the world due to the forced use of polluted water. The most difficult situation with the provision of clean water to the population is in a number of countries in Africa and Central Asia.

In Stockholm, a prestigious prize will be awarded from an international fund engaged in research in the field of providing people in different countries with clean water. This year, the premium in the amount of 150 thousand dollars will go to an American microbiologist who works in the field of the study of parasitic diseases, Joan Rose. She is an employee of the University of Michigan USA.

The World Water Week didn’t have time to start, as it was the USA that got the delegation members for the fact that Trump took the country out of the Paris Climate Convention. Summit participants believe that this will worsen the situation with clean fresh water in North America itself.
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  1. From the Nile to the Euphrates
    From the Nile to the Euphrates 30 August 2017 10: 50
    +2
    And in our country, drinking water seems to be made from sea water, and it seems that they even started exporting water.
    Although the water is not very, but even so. Tough is not very tasty.
    1. Diana Ilyina
      Diana Ilyina 30 August 2017 11: 06
      +22
      From the Nile to the Euphrates Today, 10:50 am New
      And in our country, drinking water seems to be made from sea water.
      I do not want to offend you personally, but your country occupied the Golan precisely because of control over water resources in this region. And this is apparently not the last occupation. I suspect that you will continue to act in the same spirit. One trouble, you are not alone in this region, though for people you consider only yourself, Arabs are not people for you. But this is your misfortune, someday they will unite and then I will not envy your country ... However, I do not envy anyone in principle.
      1. maxim947
        maxim947 30 August 2017 11: 37
        +4
        as if our unfortunate entrepreneurs did not have the mind to return to the topic of river turning, etc. Baikal is already bottled.
        1. Diana Ilyina
          Diana Ilyina 30 August 2017 11: 39
          +8
          maxim947 Today, 11:37 ↑
          as if our unfortunate entrepreneurs did not have the mind to return to the topic of river turning, etc. Baikal is already bottled.
          I agree, Baikal will also be selling from our moneybags ...!
          1. GAF
            GAF 30 August 2017 17: 54
            0
            Quote: Diana Ilyina
            I agree, Baikal will also be selling from our moneybags ...!

            With all the desire to sell them Baikal will not succeed. I figured the digital figure tentatively. In Baikal, 1/5 of the world's fresh water reserves are 23615 cubic meters. km. = 23, 615 x 10 ^ 15 liters. At 10 rubles per liter in bulk, the amount obtained is with the 16th degree. Impossible amount - the navel will tear. By the way, the estimated energy reserves of the Arctic in the translation barrel-dollar-ruble only pull in the amount of 750x10 ^ 12 rubles, i.e. a thousand times less than the cost of Baikal water.
          2. A.
            A. 30 August 2017 18: 52
            +1
            You have a beautiful name
        2. Dobi
          Dobi 30 August 2017 12: 12
          0
          Baikal is already bottled.
          For Chinese bottles?
          1. maxim947
            maxim947 30 August 2017 17: 31
            0
            Mexican.
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        1. Diana Ilyina
          Diana Ilyina 30 August 2017 12: 17
          +15
          From the Nile to the Euphrates Today, 11:55 ↑
          Golan has always been ours.
          What a fright ?! Until 1948 there was no such state at all! As they say do not flatter yourself ... laughing
          You can't offend me smile
          First of all, not you, but you! I didn’t drink at the Brudershaft. negative Secondly, don’t say gop until you jump over! tongue
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      3. Black5Raven
        Black5Raven 30 August 2017 22: 55
        +3
        Quote: Diana Ilyina
        but your country occupied the Golan precisely because of control over the water resources in the region. And this is apparently not the last occupation. I suspect that you will continue to act in the same spirit. One trouble, you are not alone in this region, though for people you consider only yourself, Arabs are not people for you. But this is your misfortune, someday they will unite and then I will not envy your country ..

        1) Golan is occupied because someone "smart" actually declared war on Israel.
        2) Due to shelling of Israel from the territory of these heights, not water initially.
        3) Arabs have several times united to destroy them, as a result, Israel has only grown and this is with free and modern weapons from the USSR, its advisers. Russia is not a Union; there will not be enough strength this time.

        Will you continue to lie as usual? ) Or go to the cry "Rusafoby111" wassat
    2. gridasov
      gridasov 30 August 2017 11: 13
      +1
      The production of fresh, but demineralized Water is carried out in only two fundamental ways. This is filtration and evaporation. Different terms do not change the essence of the physical process. But all these methods are either inefficient somehow filtering and with huge energy costs somehow evaporation. We offer the process of desalination of sea water in a completely new way. The uniqueness of this method lies in the fact that desalination as a physical process occurs with the release of both kinetic energy of the flow and potential energy. In other words, the opposite is true. The process is not energy consuming. but with an excess of released energy. Amateurs are certainly surprised by this statement. However, everything is justified and obviously conclusive in the effectiveness of such a technological process.
      Of course, countries of the southern regions with excess solar energy can use it to concentrate and influence Water for evaporation, but this requires certain areas and the complexity of energy transfer through certain stages. In our country, this is simply a mechanical device with the ability to scale and the ability to process very large volumes. Therefore, the statement about the Water deficit lies in the plane of the lack of desire to own new technologies.
      1. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 30 August 2017 11: 51
        +2
        Quote: gridasov
        The production of fresh, but demineralized Water is carried out in only two fundamental ways. This is filtration and evaporation.

        Desalination by filtration is not carried out.
        1. Dobi
          Dobi 30 August 2017 12: 14
          +1
          Desalination by filtration is not carried out.
          Filtration through membranes
          1. saturn.mmm
            saturn.mmm 30 August 2017 21: 37
            0
            Quote: Dobi
            Filtration through membranes

            And where is this filter installed and serves the general public?
            The British said a lot of things.
      2. Dobi
        Dobi 30 August 2017 12: 27
        0
        in a completely new way
        There are, of course, processes based on completely different methods than filtration and evaporation, but none of these methods has yet shown economic benefits even before moving masses of water in tankers or specially adapted pontoons compiled into trains filled with fresh water and moved by tugboats across the seas.
        1. gridasov
          gridasov 30 August 2017 13: 11
          0
          The fact is that the method and devices that affect the transformation of the properties of Water are so wide in the future influence on other technologies that this is a braking condition for the popularization of the project. Moreover . This has a very strong influence on the general scientific approach in both theory and practice. And most importantly, the method itself is built on a completely different method of analysis of such complex physical processes as turbulent ones. Therefore, do not even try to imagine how this is done. Everything is much simpler and more effective than all previously known methods.
          1. Dobi
            Dobi 30 August 2017 14: 42
            0
            The fact
            that regardless of the method of cleaning, whether it is based on the most fantastic positions, without financial proof, it will not go anywhere. Patent offices are full of applications for perpetual motion machines, but no, it does not work.
            1. gridasov
              gridasov 30 August 2017 16: 50
              0
              Alas, everything works! And to patent it means to present for it. At the same time, I want to note that not a single patent or as an idea and development uses a key element as a physical process, which determines the whole effect.
              1. Dobi
                Dobi 30 August 2017 16: 58
                0
                Alas, everything works
                Duck, I say, it can and does work, but alas, it is not economically feasible.
                1. gridasov
                  gridasov 30 August 2017 17: 29
                  0
                  I don’t know how much you will understand me, but I have already mentioned on this discussion platform that Water has both kinetic energy of the flow, that is, it is like an elastic medium, and it also has potential energy equivalent to kinetic. Therefore, we built such process algorithms in the conversion device that we do not spend energy on nuclear transformations in the structure of Water. and she herself extracts this energy and converts kinetic energy. That is, our process is not energy-intensive, but rather energy-efficient. Therefore, for some political reasons, it can use our technology and is inappropriate. But from the standpoint of a direct and justified effect, I believe that there is no other way to solve the problem, if we see this as a problem and are going to solve it. People are generally hard to understand now.
                  1. Dobi
                    Dobi 30 August 2017 17: 47
                    0
                    Water possesses both kinetic energy of the flow, i.e. it is like an elastic medium, and also it has potential energy equivalent to kinetic
                    In technical realities, in some cases it is necessary to take measures to reduce the potential and kinetic polarization (since high polarization causes an additional consumption of internal energy for the process), in others, on the contrary, it is necessary to increase the polarization, since this allows to obtain more residual energy of a higher quality . The concentration polarization can be reduced by mixing the layers, which clearly will not help desolonization and lead to energy consumption. I say that alas, it is not economically feasible.
                    1. gridasov
                      gridasov 30 August 2017 19: 35
                      +1
                      If we observe a set of algorithmic set effects, as we have, then sequential processes in the substance of Water ionize the surface of the outflow. In this case, the outflow surfaces themselves are simultaneously located in such a way that they use this ionizing ability of water to polarize the outflow surfaces. Then it turns out that centrifugal processes increase their potential from the radius and have a destructive effect. for example, in modern turbines at high rotational speeds, they can stabilize the potential difference on the outflow blades themselves. Therefore, fracture thresholds and negative effects on the blades are not simply excluded. but they have a proportionally inverse vector from centrifugal forces. So when you talk about mixing layers, it doesn't mean anything. You need to know how these layers move to form an ionization effect on the surface of the outflow. In our case, everything is very economically feasible.
                      1. Dobi
                        Dobi 30 August 2017 21: 17
                        0
                        Unfortunately, when you talk about mixing of layers, and the surface of the outflow seems to mean mixing and diffusion along the gradient, I’m trying to explain to you that when considering mechanical systems that are not in equilibrium, the coupling reactions cannot be ignored. However, while maintaining the assumption of the absolute rigidity of these bonds, it turns out that the concept of bond has lost its physical content, and since centrifugal forces are much higher than gravity at high rotational speeds, the concentration polarization in a vortex flow can be reduced by mixing the layers, but this does not help desolonization. That's all. And therefore, it will lead to energy consumption and will be economically feasible.
      3. Yura
        Yura 30 August 2017 12: 27
        0
        Quote: gridasov
        We have

        Dear gridasov, "with us" this is anyone, the question without any catch is simply interesting. And further:
        Quote: gridasov
        it's just a mechanical device with the ability to scale and the ability to handle very large volumes

        Whether centrifuges are in question is also very interesting.
        Quote: gridasov
        Therefore, the statement about Water scarcity lies in the plane of only the lack of desire to own new technologies.

        Here you are right absolutely.
        1. gridasov
          gridasov 30 August 2017 13: 13
          0
          Let's not be filled with guesses. Of course, a complex of algorithmic processes is used and the basis is precisely the centrifugal process
    3. Squelcher
      Squelcher 30 August 2017 11: 34
      0
      Desalination is called, but at the same time, the pH of the water drops to acid, you need to add an additive (calcium salts, etc.) I received and stored this additive as a medicine. With huge volumes, how many tons are needed per day?
      Drinking water without additives is possible but harmful, teeth are destroyed (felt on oneself), calcium is washed out, metabolism is disturbed.
      1. gridasov
        gridasov 30 August 2017 13: 18
        0
        As part of your reasoning, I can say that we are talking about the basic basis of water that can be supplemented with various soluble substances and minerals. But the main thing is that the water obtained by our method is obtained of a quality that cannot be obtained in other ways. Let me just remind you that Water in its state can be not only "heavy" in other forms and levels in this direction, but also an easy and equally wide range of this complex of properties. Moreover, Water can be created as a complex model of such a state. It contains soluble elements that cannot be obtained by other methods.
    4. kapitan92
      kapitan92 30 August 2017 11: 57
      +6
      Quote: From the Nile to the Euphrates
      And in our country, drinking water seems to be made from sea water, and it seems that they even started exporting water.

      The occupied Golan (Lake Galilee) gives about 30% of the water balance of Israel! Serious figure! Not far off is the complete control of Israel over all the water sources that feed this lake. This is a strategic goal! hi
      1. Dobi
        Dobi 30 August 2017 12: 15
        +1
        Not far off is the complete control of Israel over all the water sources that feed this lake.
        And we wish them success.
        1. kapitan92
          kapitan92 30 August 2017 12: 20
          +7
          Quote: Dobi
          Not far off is the complete control of Israel over all the water sources that feed this lake.
          And we wish them success.

          And you success in establishing "democracy" in Afghanistan. hi
          1. Dobi
            Dobi 30 August 2017 12: 32
            0
            And you success in establishing "democracy" in Afghanistan
            Without fail, without fail. hi
    5. Muvka
      Muvka 30 August 2017 13: 16
      0
      It is not for nothing that our nuclear engineers have implemented a nuclear power plant project that can also desalinate water. That's where the contracts will be trampled! And we will be the first in the world!
      1. gridasov
        gridasov 30 August 2017 17: 37
        0
        Sustainable fusion based on Water is exactly what we are talking about. That is, in other words, the desalination plant, positioned by us, is, in fact, already a nuclear power plant. Only not nuclear power plants on nuclear materials and on fuel rods, but on the properties of Water to ionize the surface and create variable magnetic processes. If modern nuclear power plants require a phased conversion of Water into Steam, and then in the turbines this potential energy of the water is converted at the moment of rotation of the turbine shaft, then we already have the turbine as a generator and a reactor. Unfortunately, the solutions that are offered in Russia are nothing new. This is a banal condensation of steam through a certain technology. It is precisely about such and inappropriate processes that Mr. Dobi speaks of.
        1. Muvka
          Muvka 30 August 2017 17: 38
          0
          Those. is it that simple? Does radiation not bother you? The fact of the matter is that our managed to develop a clean desalination plant.
          1. gridasov
            gridasov 30 August 2017 17: 44
            0
            I meant this when I spoke about some intermediate stages of the separation of the coolant from the water used for consumption. This is a process and the technology is not complicated.
  2. 32363
    32363 30 August 2017 10: 53
    +2
    Quote: From the Nile to the Euphrates
    And in our country, drinking water seems to be made from sea water, and it seems that they even started exporting water.
    Although the water is not very, but even so. Tough is not very tasty.

    learn Victor Schauberger’s technology and even at home you can make water tasty, soft and healthy.
    and on the topic, for example, no one canceled the rain water, the big-headed owner will never be left without water and food.
    1. A1845
      A1845 30 August 2017 11: 00
      +1
      Quote: 32363
      nobody canceled rain water
      if you rain in Israel, you die from thirst ..
      1. 32363
        32363 30 August 2017 11: 27
        +1
        Quote: A1845
        Quote: 32363
        nobody canceled rain water
        if you rain in Israel, you die from thirst ..

        Well then you have to go the way of Muammar Gaddafi with his aqueducts.
        The most ambitious project of Gaddafi is the Great Man-Made River. About this project of Libya, the media kept mum.
        https://dokumentika.org/ekonomicheskoe-oruzhie/gr
        andiozniy-proekt-kaddafi-velikaya-rukotvornaya-re
        ka
      2. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 30 August 2017 11: 42
        +3
        Israel solved the problem for itself. Desalination of sea water
        according to the Israeli patent. The same plants as in Israel
        built in California and other countries.
        1. Diana Ilyina
          Diana Ilyina 30 August 2017 11: 55
          +8
          voyaka uh Today, 11: 42 ↑
          Israel solved the problem for itself. Desalination of sea water
          Well, except for irrigation. In all other respects, your "solution to the problem" resulted in the illegal occupation of the Golan! Do not here la la about poplar ... negative
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 30 August 2017 12: 06
            +4
            It is for drinking, and not for irrigation of fields.
          2. Dobi
            Dobi 30 August 2017 12: 17
            +3
            Golan occupation!
            Legal And there's nothing to be done. With and without poplars.
          3. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 30 August 2017 12: 21
            +10
            Quote: Diana Ilyina
            Well, maybe for irrigation

            Aplomb * aplomb and ... with two legs, but in a basin with margarine :)
    2. Volodin
      Volodin 30 August 2017 11: 09
      +3
      Quote: 32363
      the headless owner will never be without water.

      Quote: 32363
      learn the technology of Viktor Schauberger

      Why, in this case, you with the technology of Viktor Schauberger is not at the summit in Stockholm, and even better in the desert areas of Mali or Chad?
      1. 32363
        32363 30 August 2017 11: 24
        +4
        Quote: Volodin
        Quote: 32363
        the headless owner will never be without water.

        Quote: 32363
        learn the technology of Viktor Schauberger

        Why, in this case, you with the technology of Viktor Schauberger is not at the summit in Stockholm, and even better in the desert areas of Mali or Chad?

        Yes, because they are so simple and ingenious that anyone can collect practically from improvised material, and this does not bring dough, but we are already used to the fact that water is sold in bottles. In Germany, by the way, devices are sold according to Schauberger and there are a bunch of dibs, but I repeat that everything is so simple there and this simplicity is walled up in a beautiful box, they write on the label that disassembly prohibited and sell for expensive.
      2. Dobi
        Dobi 30 August 2017 12: 19
        0
        Schauberger made another incredible discovery: on a cold winter night on a moon, he saw how in a pond formed by a mountain stream, stones the size of their heads rose from the ground and, circling like trout before a big "jump", rose to the surface of the water, swaying on her! It was the same levitation force dormant in water, allowing the trout to "jump"
      3. gridasov
        gridasov 30 August 2017 17: 49
        0
        Absolutely right! Schauberger's technologies are ingenious in that they gave rise to a new approach to the analysis of processes associated with Water. Moreover, they largely remained not brought to a logical state and understanding them and mastering them. Therefore, I will not hide that the key concepts used by us also correlate with the brilliant achievements of V. Schauberger. However, we also dramatically improved these technologies, but already on the foundation laid by Schauberger.
        1. 32363
          32363 31 August 2017 01: 59
          +1
          Quote: gridasov
          Absolutely right! Schauberger's technologies are ingenious in that they gave rise to a new approach to the analysis of processes associated with Water. Moreover, they largely remained not brought to a logical state and understanding them and mastering them. Therefore, I will not hide that the key concepts used by us also correlate with the brilliant achievements of V. Schauberger. However, we also dramatically improved these technologies, but already on the foundation laid by Schauberger.

          I visited them in Austria, met with my grandson and the only student of Schauberger, in addition to water, there are a lot of other interesting moments there, and if you open the archives that they have, then certainly there will be enough for everyone.
          1. gridasov
            gridasov 31 August 2017 09: 12
            +1
            You are lucky and I am happy for you. But it seems to me that Schauberger's most important is the scientific approach to the analysis of the processes that he observed. And in fact, he tried to simply repeat the movement of flows in the devices he invented. But we admit went further and this is natural. With all this, there are certain thoughts of the Great Scientist, which are simply fundamental. However, few people pay attention to them, and we took this into account and took advantage of
            1. 32363
              32363 31 August 2017 10: 10
              +1
              Quote: gridasov
              And in fact, he tried to simply repeat the movement of flows in the devices he invented.

              this is a too simplistic view of his work, he received the bulk of the information from the student of the Higher School from the SS; The most interesting moment of his life, in my opinion, is the period when he worked at the Messerschmitt factory in Augsburg, where they were engaged in far from streams of water in streams.
              1. gridasov
                gridasov 31 August 2017 15: 20
                +1
                As for me, experiments with the use of mercury to increase the ionization properties of discharge surfaces are very interesting. Therefore, I agree with you. That's what I say about this, that there is a field of knowledge as materials science. But we are talking about new knowledge and opportunities to study the behavior of certain materials in a highly dynamic flow environment. That is, this is a technique that allows you to analyze a lot of contiguous materials and moving flows. I have already mentioned more than once that it is possible to really extract potential energy from simple and popular materials at the level of how it is present in radioactive materials. That is, the same passive nuclear reactors are replaced by "dynamic"
            2. 32363
              32363 31 August 2017 10: 11
              +1
              Quote: gridasov
              However, few people pay attention to them, and we took this into account and took advantage of

              YOU are who, and what are you doing?
              1. gridasov
                gridasov 31 August 2017 15: 22
                +1
                Excuse me, but I do not answer such questions. In general, I urge you not to touch on issues of a personal nature. You see, under the banners of which community I exist
    3. weksha50
      weksha50 30 August 2017 11: 14
      +3
      Quote: 32363
      and on the topic, for example, no one canceled rainwater,


      Hmm ... I remember how my grandmothers and mother collected rainwater ... It was in the 50s and 60s ... And now ... I have not heard for a long time that someone washes this head with an incomprehensible acid substance and even more so - he drinks ...
      What the hell is pouring from our taps ... Obviously, this is happening in many cities of Russia ... And even in Moscow, the water from the taps is not contagious because half of it consists of bleach or similar cleaning and disinfecting impurities ...
      Ecology ... Man turned rivers and lakes into a pig sump ... Look at what they turned the Volga, Oka ... Baikal has not yet managed to completely destroy, but this is only time ...
      So really - the day will come when the need for water will dictate the conditions for the survival of mankind ...
  3. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 30 August 2017 11: 09
    +3
    Russia has plenty of water and also plenty of clean water. One Baikal is worth it. And therefore, the aspirations of the West, even on this occasion, will again be on Russian territory.
    1. Diana Ilyina
      Diana Ilyina 30 August 2017 11: 15
      +13
      rotmistr60 Today, 11: 09 New
      Russia has plenty of water and also plenty of clean water. One Baikal is worth it. And therefore, the aspirations of the West, even on this occasion, will again be on Russian territory.
      Gennady hi but was it ever so different ?! Russia is too big and too rich, including water resources. Moreover, its population is very small in comparison with the occupied territories. Plus, this population carries a completely different, different from the western, genetic code, which comes into constant conflict with the western one. For these reasons, they attacked us, attack and will attack, no matter how you say it. Therefore, the main thing for us is to keep the gunpowder dry and not remove the armor without looking around!
      1. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 30 August 2017 11: 25
        +1
        Therefore, the main thing for us is to keep the powder dry and not remove the armor

        You are absolutely right Diana hi
    2. Gardamir
      Gardamir 30 August 2017 11: 43
      0
      One Baikal is worth
      So far, people are sitting in the Kremlin who want to get more money, and Baikal may cost nothing. Enter in the search for "China on Baikal." It is not yet clear whether the Chinese will build a water production plant, or a water supply system.
    3. gridasov
      gridasov 31 August 2017 15: 25
      +1
      The level of environmental destruction is already such that the technology of desalination of water is very close to the technology of purification of water from complex pollution in general. Therefore, correcting the situation can only be done by email. energy and at the same time purifying Water. Indeed, in our technology, the production of email. energy is a secondary process after self-cleaning.
  4. anjey
    anjey 30 August 2017 11: 56
    +4
    The struggle for water, the struggle for food, the struggle for air — the global primitivism of 21st century strategies is aimed at intimidating huge masses of people and manipulating their consciousness ..., I recalled the book "Fighting for Fire" about the primitive communal system, our whole life is a struggle ...
    End all wars, invest a lot of money "Armory Barons" in the Land Reclamation, we will all be surprised by the wonderful and fantastic results ....
    No, we’d better be sophisticated in killing each other with the most modern and creative types of weapons ...
  5. Razvedka_Boem
    Razvedka_Boem 30 August 2017 13: 21
    +3
    If the money allocated now to fight with each other, would be directed to cooperate with each other .. One could turn the whole Earth into Eden.
  6. bagr69
    bagr69 30 August 2017 15: 53
    0
    Siberian waters through the pipelines of the "northern stream"?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 30 August 2017 20: 46
      0
      It will be too greasy - bottle, 5 liters for 56 rubles.
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  8. gridasov
    gridasov 30 August 2017 21: 54
    +1
    DobiNo, I'm not talking about diffusion. I’m talking specifically about direct transformations of Water. like substances. And these transformations are caused precisely by intramolecular processes. Therefore, you correctly say that centrifugal forces can be obtained by orders of magnitude higher than gravitational and, moreover, the forces obtained during translational mechanical movements of mechanisms. But then the problem of supply restriction arises, as it happens in all existing ICEs and we are forced to create separate fuel supply mechanisms. In our case, the simplest solution allows you to create incredibly high forces without restricting the supply of fuel or the same Water, but without limiting the impact on the transformation of Water as fuel. We begin to delve into the intricacies of the process and I see. that you are competent enough in this topic, but nevertheless have no idea how to optimize the process so that it is economically sound and efficient. Therefore, excuse me and all the best.
    Dobi,
    Dobi,
  9. earloop
    earloop 30 August 2017 22: 06
    +1
    gridasov: "The process is not energy-intensive. But with an excess of released energy. Amateurs are certainly surprised by this statement. However, everything is justified and obviously conclusive in the effectiveness of such a technological process." - When, any discoverer of something new, known only to him, writes about the results of his "discovery". Noting at the same time that: “Amateurs are certainly surprised” and refers to the fact that “everything is justified and obviously evidence-based,” without giving any supporting links to it, then, I’m sorry, we are talking about ordinary quackery. This is a characteristic mistake of all "unrecognized geniuses." Calling ordinary people “amateurs” without giving them familiarization with their “everything is justified and obviously evidence-based” is not good. The person who discovered something real will bring a bunch of evidence!
    1. gridasov
      gridasov 31 August 2017 15: 33
      +1
      Charlatans demand a reward for their false discoveries and inventions. And I don’t sprinkle pearls in front of those who want so easily to get something for which they are not making the slightest effort. This is apparently in your understanding, you can just come to take, pick up, and then not appreciate what you own. My task is to find those who are really interested in finding breakthrough ideas. I literally was recently at the so-called. The festival of ideas in Odessa where the authors called for participation in discussions, but in reality with a scandal they had to break through to the microphone. But it was only an attempt. The next show under beautiful slogans, but they do not know how and do not want to work. . And this is not the first time. Therefore, believe that there is already experience.
      1. 32363
        32363 1 September 2017 10: 56
        +1
        Quote: gridasov
        Charlatans demand a reward for their false discoveries and inventions. And I don’t sprinkle pearls in front of those who want so easily to get something for which they are not making the slightest effort. This is apparently in your understanding, you can just come to take, pick up, and then not appreciate what you own. My task is to find those who are really interested in finding breakthrough ideas. I literally was recently at the so-called. The festival of ideas in Odessa where the authors called for participation in discussions, but in reality with a scandal they had to break through to the microphone. But it was only an attempt. The next show under beautiful slogans, but they do not know how and do not want to work. . And this is not the first time. Therefore, believe that there is already experience.

        you’ve probably heard of Andrei Yermol, what can you say about his gearbox?
  10. high
    high 31 August 2017 02: 59
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    Quote: voyaka uh
    Israel solved the problem for itself. Desalination of sea water
    according to the Israeli patent. The same plants as in Israel
    built in California and other countries.

    You will be surprised, but in Saudi Arabia 50% of all desalination plants in the world are concentrated, but they use the desalinated water of the Mediterranean Sea only for public services .... such water is harmful to health,
    Scientists have already warned Israel that the desalinated water of the Mediterranean cannot be used as food ...
    Professor Yona Amitai, head of the Israeli research team: “We found that before the supply of desalinated water had not yet begun, there was no difference in mortality between the two groups. But in recent years, mortality has increased where the desalinated water is supplied.”
    1. gridasov
      gridasov 31 August 2017 09: 19
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      It is precisely for this reason, but also for many others, that we say that Water can and must be modeled according to its properties and composition. Therefore, when we talk about a new method and device for desalination or radioactive disinfection, it means not only to destruct water, but also to create new properties in the complex of what will be dissolved in it. Sooner or later, a person will come to this. Water is like a constructor that can be modeled in a variety of forms and conditions. Modern methods are very low potential in such an opportunity to destructurize Water and even less ability to model it in a wider range of its properties and states.
  11. anjey
    anjey 31 August 2017 18: 57
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    Quote: gridasov
    It is precisely for this reason, but also for many others, that we say that Water can and must be modeled according to its properties and composition. Therefore, when we talk about a new method and device for desalination or radioactive disinfection, it means not only to destruct water, but also to create new properties in the complex of what will be dissolved in it. Sooner or later, a person will come to this. Water is like a constructor that can be modeled in a variety of forms and conditions. Modern methods are very low potential in such an opportunity to destructurize Water and even less ability to model it in a wider range of its properties and states.

    but rather simulate water from air and air from water and there will be an artificial whirlpool of water in nature and you will be aninstein 2 ....
  12. earloop
    earloop 1 September 2017 00: 26
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    "gridasov Yesterday, 15:33 ↑
    My task is to find those who are really interested in finding breakthrough ideas. "Unfortunately, this looks like an attempt to sell the" crane in the sky. "To successfully sell the" idea ", you need to do a lot of pre-sale preparation to give this" idea "a marketable look.
    1. gridasov
      gridasov 1 September 2017 15: 37
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      That is absolutely true. But unfortunately, I do not know how to do this, but now I generally allow myself only empty rhetoric on the forum pages