"Vasily Bykov" is launched

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On the eve, the lead patrol boat (ship) project 22160 "Vasily Bykov" (serial number 161) was launched. The ship was moved to the filling chamber of the Zelenodolsk plant named after AM Gorky. Recall that from the factory slipway it was withdrawn in June 2017 of the year. Photos of the patrol boat "Vasily Bykov" in the loading chamber of the Zelenodolsk shipbuilding enterprise are presented on the page "Military informant" of the social network In contact with.

"Vasily Bykov" is launched




The lead patrol ship of this project is being built in the Republic of Tatarstan for the Russian Navy under a contract with the Russian Ministry of Defense. The contract was concluded in April 2014. It is important to note that the laying of the patrol ship in Zelenodolsk took place two months before the official signing of the contract.

The ships of the 22160 project are created according to the design development of the OJSC “Severnoye Design Bureau”, located in St. Petersburg.

Patrol ships can carry onboard a formidable strike armament, represented by Caliber-NK cruise missiles. In addition, the ships of the project 22160 equipped with artillery, anti-submarine and other rocket (not counting the "Caliber") weapons.
In addition, a helicopter may be placed on board the Vasily Bykov (for example, Ka-27).

As seen in the photo, the ship has already received radar equipment.

At the moment, more 4's of such patrol ships are under construction: Dmitry Rogachev, Pavel Derzhavin, Sergey Kotov, and Victor the Great.
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  1. +11
    August 30 2017
    Well, if the caliber, then read the whole .... CRUISER will ...
    1. +2
      August 30 2017
      no need to ulcerate
      1. +7
        August 30 2017
        this is sarcasm, my friend ... sarcasm ...
        and I can afford it after 15 calendars "on iron" .....
        1. +6
          August 30 2017
          Gauges will be in the container. When performing the anti-piracy mission, there will be a container chamber for captured pirates. And you can also put a container with blackjack and women with low social responsibility.
          1. +4
            August 30 2017
            Quote: Zibelew
            women with reduced social responsibility

            But with increased social attendance.
          2. +1
            August 30 2017
            Quote: Zibelew
            When performing an anti-piracy mission

            Patrol corvette for 4 years already is not relevant.
            The potential of pr 22160 is great, and what was the main task 4-6 years ago is now no longer interesting at all (catching pirates), but in air defense and percussion options. and at the same time, without abandoning the plane, this is a gorgeous ship
        2. +3
          August 30 2017
          Quote: kepmor
          and I can afford it after 15 calendars "on iron" .....

          Why do old people need to be driven out of service from time to time when the participants in the Shipka assault are used to shooting wassat When the striking power really corresponds to the cruiser, then it doesn’t even fit in the head of the senile. When positioning is provided by a deployed satellite constellation, when it is not necessary to approach the enemy for thousands of kilometers, and the Kyrgyz Republic will deliver the hotel faster and on time. Scientific and technological progress says that large dimensions are not proportional to quality, although there is still a dependency. Now the submarine missile carrier does not need to break into the Atlantic at the launch range of the BR, there is no need to go through the bottlenecks of Iceland in the form of SOSUS, a lot of which was not necessary, because the range of the submarine’s BR allowed to hit anywhere in the territory of the overseas enemy from the berth. The tactics of using these devices have fundamentally changed. This happened back in Soviet times. What is worse than surface ships? Why should their logistics remain unchanged if the strike weapons change? Call it brain stagnation wassat
          1. +5
            August 30 2017
            Quote: hrych
            Why do old people need to be driven with a broom from service periodically,

            Duc, retrograde in the Navy, and not only enough at all times. But, for example, the same MP veterans who remember Zapadnaya Litsa, Novorossiysk, Shumshu, Uritsk (“Pish-Mash”) - only “for” with respect to updating the materiel, which is quite natural. Perhaps some tactical and technical innovations are a curiosity for them, but, on the whole, the mood is positive. Here it is ...
      2. +2
        August 30 2017
        No need to pay any rubbish .. And so, the ship you need, and a photo with a rainbow ..
        Quote: alekc75
        no need to ulcerate
    2. Maz
      +1
      August 30 2017
      Quote: kepmor
      Well, if the caliber, then read the whole .... CRUISER will ...

      But it’s very cheap, but very angry.
    3. +1
      August 30 2017
      Quote: kepmor
      Well, if the caliber, then read the whole .... CRUISER will ...

      ========
      If you look at the IMPACT capabilities and autonomy - SO-YES !!! Quite comparable
  2. +2
    August 30 2017
    that's the news, it seems like you have to rejoice - but I have sadness and sadness from her ((...
    1. +6
      August 30 2017
      No need to grieve - all life ahead!
      All life ahead, hope and wait!
    2. +2
      August 30 2017
      the fleet is being revived, all for the money and for the deadlines. did you want everything right away ???
      1. +4
        August 30 2017
        Quote: alekc75
        did you want everything at once?

        But who are you? That I would poke ....
        1. 0
          August 30 2017
          on you did not deserve
          1. +9
            August 30 2017
            why did you lose here then? ... it’s not customary to poke around here ...
            1. +4
              August 30 2017
              They poke me regularly! But I try not to pay attention to it. There is such an active user, Sasha Romanov, so he is only for you. No one is offended.
              It often happens that a person switches to a person instead of discussing a topic, sticks labels, is rude ... And how then are you?
              1. +8
                August 30 2017
                Stas, hello hi
                There is such an active user, Sasha Romanov, so he is only for you.

                Not anymore, banned forever. I don’t know for sure, but I guess that it’s for disrespect for other participants.
                It often happens that a person switches to a person instead of discussing a topic, sticks labels, is rude ... And how then are you?

                Here I partially agree with you. In my heart I support you, I, too, am not a supporter of "turning the other cheek." But endurance and composure in such cases will help you avoid punishment. There are enough provocateurs, but there are more adequate and cultural ones. Do not take this as moralizing. You decide.
            2. +8
              August 30 2017
              Alex, I welcome you hi
              it’s not customary to poke around here ...

              Keep good The culture of communication is spelled out in the rules hi
              And the ship, in my opinion, is beautiful. I can not judge its functionality, since I am land. I will wait for the opinions of professionals.
              1. +2
                August 30 2017
                Svarog, dear! hi
                quite a normal ship to replace the IPC for the elderly ...
                the question is different - little and slowly ... and this series is all for the Black Sea Fleet ...
                there are only 6 “albatrosses” left on the Federation Council ... and that’s already about thirty, and “Brest” and “Junga” generally exchanged the fourth dozen ... that's where the sadness will be ...
                1. +7
                  August 30 2017
                  Alex, welcome hi Thank you for the clarification. Clear, concise and intelligible. good
          2. 0
            August 30 2017
            Quote: alekc75
            on you did not deserve

            and who are you to deserve in front of you? ... the next keyboard maker - a catcher of pluses ??
  3. +8
    August 30 2017
    With Caliber? Nifiga yourself katerok !!!
    1. +7
      August 30 2017
      He has no calibers in the database. Most likely never will be. For he has a more interesting task. Participation in humanitarian operations, patrolling of a distant zone, prolonged stay in the required area, etc. In fact, what the 1 class BNKs are doing now, knocking out their limited resources, in the future they will be making such cheap boats with a large resource and excellent conditions for the team.

      Navy orders the most homeless kit.
      Of the benefits:
      - budgeting.
      - A large supply of fuel for the helicopter in the base.
      - high level of comfort (equipped with cubicles, gym, relaxation area). This is important on long hikes.
      - A good composition of weapons and detection equipment.
      - 2 functional slots for the 40 container.

      Of the minuses:
      - the absence of even Bending. Only MANPADS from the shoulder. Well, this is a problem in the whole of light complexes of air defense systems. There where Europeans or Americans will stick RAM, and the Chinese will simply order nothing for their Navy HHQ-10.
      - savings on matches, there are ordinary and cheap MTPU. At the same time, the ship, according to its purpose, will patrol areas with problematic areas of navigation (pirates, smugglers, etc.). That is, this is an increased risk for calculating and lower firing efficiency of the main (for this ship in real use) caliber. At the same time, when there are already effective remote stabilized turrets. They cost more, but taking into account the total costs - these are just boxes of matches ...
      - Problems with S-100 and failure of alternative projects. In fact, the first years of 5 will run without half of the full-time air group.
      1. +2
        August 30 2017
        Quote: donavi49
        He has no calibers in the database. Most likely never will be

        That is, the article lies? Or how?
        1. +4
          August 30 2017
          He has a place under the 2X40 container. There may be Gauges or X-35 in container design. But there may be prison modules for example. The hospital. Deep sea equipment. Or just the different things you need on the way to lead to which Tartus. Humanitarian aid to the affected area.

          That is, these are multifunctional slots. And if he goes on a pirate shift or on 50 the daily patrol of a given area in order to catch the violators, then it is doubtful that the caliber will be lucky, and not the bullpen.
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            1. +2
              August 30 2017
              Quote from rudolf
              Firstly, it’s just buried money

              Write then that the flooded money such as Clubs, Boreas, atomic icebreakers, etc. are buried in the ground, in the Yars mine wassat And anyway, what is your ... (what’s on the avatar) wassat business where we spend our money. In general, commentators are now hiding behind the Soviet flag on an avatar, unfortunately from hostile countries. It’s not immediately clear where the writers burp. For some reason, the site now has the carriers of the red flag, all of them rabid Russophobes and anti-Sovietam
              1. +4
                August 30 2017
                Quote: hrych
                Write then that the flooded money such as Clubs, Boreas, atomic icebreakers, etc. are buried in the ground, in the Yars mine. And in general, what is yours ... (what’s on the profile picture)

                In vain, here you are. The flag on the profile picture sometimes does not coincide with any expected opinions. And here are the comments of the type
                Quote from rudolf
                Firstly, it’s just buried money, and secondly, how to prepare such a super-versatile crew? Or ascribe part of the crew not to the ship, but to these very containers?

                Very significant and reasoned, and most importantly in accordance with common sense comments. To put in different exits of the ship either calibers or a hospital, this will NEVER from the word ABSOLUTELY (for this is a complete madhouse) Rather, there will be a certain universality depending on the type of weapon. Ships of the type floating hospital are completely different according to the design of the court. Here and a specialized university does not have to finish to understand this.
                1. +1
                  August 30 2017
                  Quote: DenZ
                  Very significant and reasoned, and most importantly in accordance with common sense comments.

                  There are great minds who are engaged in defense orders, design, etc. Here they let them think and decide what the country needs and what not. Now all platforms and weapons are modular, in the courtyard of the 21st century already, stop thinking in terms of dreadnought. Already on the basis of the T-72, there is a bunch of everything except the tank, and the Solntsepek MLRS, and the Terminator. Iskander can send both the KR and the BR with its PU. You see, the fleet is denied this. Yes, this is the future ...
                  1. +4
                    August 30 2017
                    Quote: hrych
                    There are great minds who are engaged in defense orders, design, etc. Here they let them think and decide what the country needs and what not.

                    smile Wow! There certainly are great minds! So these minds were before .... or not?
                    The great minds of the end of the 70's, the beginning of the 80's were so sure that the Soviet Navy by the end of the 80's was left almost without a surface fleet wassat . For you, Hrych, I’ll repeat it not towards the end of 90's, but towards the end of 80's!
              2. +5
                August 30 2017
                Quote: hrych
                For some reason, the site now has the carriers of the red flag, all of them rabid Russophobes and anti-Soviet

                wassat Eco parses you !!!!!! Calm down my friend!
                Instead of filling up the monitor with saliva, give arguments to the contrary from the statements of Rudolph !!!!!
            2. +1
              August 30 2017
              Why build this ship - if at the same plant you can build an RTO, which is suddenly cheaper. And it’s significant. And has UKS-8. And UKKS-8 is better, more convenient and has greater operational readiness than a container. I am already silent about the fact that, for example, 2 Bending + Duet is better for RTOs - than a sailor with MANPADS and AK-176.

              The feature of this ship is:
              - autonomy of BNK 1 rank.
              - huge (for such a ship, for example, the 20380 - 1 corvette refueling Ka-27) - the fuel supply for the helicopter.
              - a high designated and overhaul resource (though with a ship 4-5 it will be in question for import substitution).


              About functional containers:
              - The bullpen container is already there.
              - There is also a container with a pressure chamber. Moreover, RBC-1400 is currently being actively purchased by the Navy. RBC-2200 - is currently preparing for procurement in the interests of GUGI.
              - various other functional containers are either in work or in layouts.

              Why specifically does this ship have an 2x40 container with Caliber - in such a task as the patrol of the Gulf of Aden?
      2. +3
        August 30 2017
        Quote: donavi49
        He has no calibers in the database.

        Let's not fantasize, in it the Caliber is primary, under it actually 22160 and is created wassat
        1. +2
          August 30 2017
          Not. It has 2 functional slots:
          - nasal. The Navy orders it in a non-removable design (premises).
          - aft 2x40f container.

          UKKS is not there.
          1. +1
            August 30 2017
            Quote: donavi49
            UKKS is not there.

            And why is it needed there if they rise from a horizontal position? Here is the layout

            But in the photo from the screen saver, the hatch is open

            Judging by the layout of the PU approximately according to this scheme, i.e. four pipes, two lifting PU:

            For unification and modularity ....
        2. +4
          August 30 2017
          Quote: hrych
          Let's not fantasize, in it the Caliber is primary, under it actually 22160 and is created

          The ship on which the "caliber" is primary is 21631 or 22800. On which already in the basic version there is a fixed "main caliber" in the form of UVP 3S14. And l / s which is trained to apply the CD.
          If on 22160 the “caliber” were primary, the standard 3C14 would stand on it. And not an empty place on which maybe deliver container PU. Or maybe they won’t.
          In the meantime, for 22160 primary range, seaworthiness and a helicopter.
          In general, looking at the list of declared tasks 22160 gives the impression that the ship was in the wrong department. For the most part there are tasks related to the conduct of the BOHR PV FSB.
          1. +1
            August 30 2017
            Quote: Alexey RA
            If on 22160 the “caliber” were primary, the standard 3C14 would stand on it.

            Who told you that you need to focus on UVP? The worse the submarine’s TA, the worse the lifting mechanism that rises to a vertical position? I tell you once again that modern weapons are modular. UVP limits the use of devices. Scheme 22160, makes it possible to use Onyx, and analogues of Aegis, and in general BR, like Iskander ... Who said that it is impossible. Therefore, there are no restrictions on UVP, but one feature is Caliber - the main tool of our fleet, the most versatile, most long-range, etc. The dignity of subsonic RC in the form of range and envelope relief, the dignity of a supersonic in the final section, etc., etc. competitor - Tomahawk was not lying nearby with his capabilities. Therefore, 22160 is undoubtedly a Caliber, but maybe everything else, including the BR, the promising Zircon, may be even more surprising than our engineers ... And the worse is the corvette of a lousy automobile tractor, which allows universality ....


            1. +2
              August 30 2017
              Quote: hrych
              Who told you that you need to focus on UVP? The worse the submarine's TA, the worse the lifting mechanism that rises to the vertical position?

              Indeed, the worse the lifting mechanism that rises to a vertical position? Raising a 4-ht glass on a roll from horizontal to vertical is easier than steamed turnip. And to do this under icing conditions ... which, incidentally, is greatly facilitated by the location of the container modules. wink
              Quote: hrych
              I tell you once again that modern weapons are modular. UVP limits the use of devices.

              In the same way, modularity limits the use of devices. For in the modular system, as in the UVP, only devices get into their standard installation places on their MHX.
              And how is modularity we limits the use of devices if all new naval devices are geared specifically for UVP? smile
              The main problem of modular systems is team preparation. Either you need to keep shift teams for each module ashore, or prepare super universals who will still be inferior to narrow professionals simply because of the limited time for training in each of the specialties.
              1. +1
                August 30 2017
                Quote: Alexey RA
                Raising a 4-ht glass on a roll from horizontal to vertical is easier than steamed turnip.

                Do not complicate it, Yars weighs much more and nothing in winter that rises in summer without any problems. There it closes the hatch from the atmosphere, shakes it no less in the UVP, it’s up to you to lift it vertically, but it does not swing separately, but swing along with the ship ...
                Quote: Alexey RA
                The main problem of modular systems is team preparation. You need to either hold on-shore shift teams for each module

                It is not forbidden to have a replaceable appropriate command. However, how many specialists does the mobile Iskander serve? The same is for a downloadable device on a ship. This is just a few people, here, after all, users, they download the flight task, everything is unified and standard. A pilot carrying bombs on his belly, air-to-air, air-to-surface, air-to-surface missiles, in general, can handle one and nothing. And here you are complicating for some reason. Motorists know their business, deck their own, with the captain, and so everything is clear, radio operators and locators. Yes, there isn’t a nomenclature there either, to know the difference in the use of two or three missiles. Target designation is now largely external, got the coordinates and go.
                1. +3
                  August 30 2017
                  Quote: hrych
                  Do not complicate it, Yars weighs much more and nothing in winter that rises in summer without any problems.

                  On a flat fixed platform. And not at sea on a pitching, and on a boat with a displacement of 1,5 ct. And not in an icy state.
                  Quote: hrych
                  There the hatch closes from the atmosphere there, it shakes and at least in UVP

                  UVP does not need to be raised. She is already lifted and fixed stationary. She needs to lift only a much lighter and less overall hatch.
                  Quote: hrych
                  it’s business to lift it vertically, but it does not swing separately, but swing along with the ship ...

                  This rigidly fixed UVP swings with the ship. And the lifted glass does not swing by itself - it is pumped by the ship through the mechanics (axles, bearings, etc.) and the drive of the lifting system. And on pitching, all this electromechanics or hydraulics suffers from strong alternating dynamic loads, in all possible azimuths (just as the wave came) from a 4-ton 9-meter cup fixed at three points (2 points below the frame along the rotation axis and one point on frame - in the place of attachment of the lifting device).
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                    1. 0
                      August 30 2017
                      A continuous storm and a storm are visible here. Listen to you, so planes cannot be used because the weather is completely non-flying, the ships are under a storm, etc. The weather is so arranged, if it’s not the roaring forties, that a storm is an exception, it happens several times a year and then for a day or two, the main weather is normal, where the merchant fleet goes, and fishing vessels do fishing, and even on yachts go oligarchs and smaller troughs, including sailing and quite coping, wennings sunbathe and drink cocktails, smelling white powder, and here the hundred-meter ship is denied normal operation laughing
                  2. 0
                    August 30 2017
                    Quote: Alexey RA
                    And the lifted glass does not swing by itself - it is pumped by the ship through the mechanics (axles, bearings, etc.) and the drive of the lifting system.

                    There are engineers, their task is to solve technical problems that arise during operation. There are bench tests, modeling of arising loads, on units and assemblies. There are no complaints against our engineers, our weapons are reliable, easy to use and ergonomic. And not long left, the ship is already on the water, in a few months we will probably see launches. All the questions you raised have been resolved if the scheme was approved or would have been abandoned.
                    1. +1
                      August 31 2017
                      Quote: hrych
                      There are engineers, their task is to solve technical problems that arise during operation. There are bench tests, modeling of arising loads, on units and assemblies.

                      Heh heh heh ... so the engineering idea just came from all kinds of induced and elevated launchers to UVP.
                      The Yankees had lifting protected PUs for the “tomahawks” of Mk143 - they refused them in favor of the Mk41.
                      Quote: hrych
                      There are no complaints against our engineers, our weapons are reliable, easy to use and ergonomic.

                      For example, inclined launchers of the Kyrgyz Republic filled with water on a surface ship ... smile
                      Or multi-ton air-based anti-ship missiles - with launching exactly from the AUG air defense zone.
      3. 0
        August 30 2017
        There is an opinion that they were late.

      4. +2
        August 30 2017
        For donavi49 Useless ships are built only p.p.i.d.
        u.r.k.i (rich) well maybe Ukraine, the rest see above.
  4. NUR
    0
    August 30 2017
    It is incomprehensible boat more than small missile ships, or is it a typo?
    1. +1
      August 30 2017
      Quote: NUR
      It is incomprehensible boat more than small missile ships, or is it a typo?

      ===========
      And no typo at all !!! This is really SO !! Due to the large size and new contours of the hull, it was possible to significantly increase seaworthiness, autonomy and range. And the armament (strike, missile) is the same - 8 launchers "Caliber".
      1. +3
        August 30 2017
        Quote: venik
        And no typo at all !!! This is really SO !! Due to the large size and new contours of the hull, it was possible to significantly increase seaworthiness, autonomy and range. And the armament (strike, missile) is the same - 8 launchers "Caliber".

        22160 with a displacement of 1300 tons is definitely not a boat. A ship is written on the board. See the Navy Ship and Ship Classification Guide. A boat is a ship of rank 4, that is, a displacement of up to 500 tons. All that is larger is a rank 3 ship.
        1. NUR
          0
          August 30 2017
          Of course, a ship with modular weapons, instead of boats, is a good option.
  5. 0
    August 30 2017
    I won’t even be surprised if VO calls frigate 22350- also a boat laughing or even a military boat
  6. +3
    August 30 2017
    What kind of boat is it with such a displacement and equipment? A patrol ship near the sea zone, but in fact a corvette.
    1. +6
      August 30 2017
      Far. He has everything imprisoned under 60 daytime autonomy and the far zone. And more fuel for a helicopter than a frigate wink .
  7. 0
    August 30 2017
    Better than Abramovich :)))
    Beautiful boat
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  9. +5
    August 30 2017
    Hmm ... they laid it three years ago. We have been building a ship with a displacement of 1800 tons for three years. What kind of building at least destroyers can we talk about?
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      1. +5
        August 30 2017
        Quote from rudolf
        Moreover, he is actually a dummy in armaments

        In fact, the box was fought for 3 years ... I don’t understand, they brought it with a file to a state of similarity with a ship or something ...
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          1. +4
            August 30 2017
            Quote from rudolf
            Yes, the main thing here is not even how long, but why at all? This is a purely border guard.

            Hi friend! drinks
            Well, the border guards also need to build something ... there is just a persistent feeling that our Moscow Region played a lot in strengthening the coastal zone, hammering the shipyards with the construction of an interregional missile system, and a motley one. But then, someone will have to repair this entire zoo, while the cat burst into tears of unification in all these RTOs. That is, this is the same story as with tanks ... they have already gained 4 MBTs and are sitting there, rejoicing. And the mechanics from such a variety of kapets are fun.
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              1. +3
                August 30 2017
                Well, look - Chabanenko, ran back for several years in the role of a gag in every crisis and need. And that’s all. He is in line for repairs which year. And he is getting closer to 20. And this is one of the most powerful and fresh NNK 1 rank in the Navy.

                Shaposhnikov - similarly. The year 15 began, by contract, until the end of 18. Given the traditional understatement, it’s really 19, maybe even 20 because there is modernization with Uranus.

                Undaunted - died on the Aden shift. Still repairing.

                Wise - only recovered after the Aden shift.

                Here, in order not to knock out the BNK resource on similar tasks that are always relevant +/-. And ordered such ships.
                1. 0
                  August 30 2017
                  And it gets closer to the 20th

                  Here the other day they wrote (I do not know the truth or not) that Chabanenko decided not to repair, but to modernize. That is, for 3 years he just stood there and will be released in 2022, if this is all according to the schedule ...

                  Shaposhnikov - similarly. In the year 15 began, under the contract until the end of 18. Taking into account the traditional understatement of deadlines - actually 19, maybe even 20

                  No. 737 (570-ЕП) - product 3Р14Н-1155 [universal shipboard fire control system (UKSUS) of the Caliber complex] for ordering the head. No. 114, 1 set, Morinformsystem-Agat (Moscow), 439 rubles, 11.07.2019
                  That is, in 2020, the minimum, if without shifts.
              2. +4
                August 30 2017
                The functions of a "patrol" can be performed by any warship.

                Deaf, may he not hear, blind may not see.
                They write to you, but you pretend that you do not notice.
                You need to patrol the Gulf of Aden.
                - the border guards are out of business
                - you can send only by autonomy a first-class ship distracting it from more serious tasks and consuming a resource
                - the crew of such a ship will smoke bamboo because such a bunch of people are not needed to catch pirates
                - but it’s also not clear where to put the pirates caught
                etc. etc.
                I’m not saying that there are 3-4 such boats somewhere near the AUG in the Mediterranean and it is completely incomprehensible, they have humanitarian aid in containers, roofing felts of 30 calibers.
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                  1. +1
                    August 30 2017
                    Quote from rudolf
                    So this ship is purely for catching pirates and especially in Aden?

                    For this, he was built. We are building corvettes for 8 years, they are tritely lacking. Those who write that weapons do not sufficiently represent only one hypothetical situation - the battle of a single patrol ship of project 22160 with ships or NATO aircraft, and necessarily with the AUG.
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                      1. +1
                        August 30 2017
                        This colonial gunboat will carry out patrol and representative functions. For example, instead of "Shrewd" at the international forum "Russian Week on the Ionian Islands." To spy on the teachings of our "likely friends" and keep the Navy horses in check. Comfortable and with a good range. Hang out in the middle of the earth, "that was."
                      2. +1
                        August 30 2017
                        Quote from rudolf
                        With one 57-mm artillery and a sailor with MANPADS on the tank ...

                        Is there really a 57 mm? They wrote that the fleet and border guards once again refused the next version of the A-220, deciding to follow the tradition and put the next version of the AK-176. smile
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                  2. +1
                    August 30 2017
                    No need to juggle. The ships of this project will definitely be the most popular after delivery and run on as much as others have never dreamed of. And most importantly - thanks to them, more valuable ships like the BPC or frigates will be much less likely to go for repair and will last longer. Tk they will no longer be driven horseradish knows where, knocking out a resource. This is donavia and tried to explain to you. hi
                    1. +2
                      August 30 2017
                      This is donavia and tried to explain to you

                      Yes, in my opinion, everyone already understood, except for rudolff, that is, of course, he understood everything right away, but I really want to RK, in extreme cases, the destroyer ....
                      And for me, if you swing it, then VERY NEED the global satellite system of target designation and guidance, but money is really not a pity on this.
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                      1. +1
                        August 30 2017
                        Conventional corvettes are made for the near sea zone. An ordinary corvette can not perform any tasks in fact for which this patrol is intended. If we take the 2038x series, then these are generally mobile coastal defense units. They have an autonomy of 15-20 days. They do not need more. request How can they replace the ship, designed for 60 days of autonomy? And if you shove everything you want into it, it will not be a corvette for 1500 tons, but at least a frigate 3 times more. belay
                        Each ship has its own purpose. You Halibut will not send mattress strategists to fall? And send apl. Although both seem to be multi-purpose submarines. So here - each type of ship has its own tasks. hi
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                      3. +1
                        August 31 2017
                        Quote from rudolf
                        I suggest not sending frigates anywhere, but doing normal corvettes

                        So 22160 - this is just the usual corvette according to current world standards.
                        And what we consider to be a “normal corvette” is a mini-frigate or a top percussion version of the corvette. smile
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  10. 0
    August 30 2017
    Double feeling.
    It is joyful that at least something (in comparison with the USA and Shushlaytsy) is under construction.
    It is sad that the multiplicity of types is not good. "Classmates": "Karakurt", "Cheetahs", 20380/5/6, "Buyan-M". Although there is some plus in this - I think that the multiplicity of types will ultimately give the "ideal" type for the corvette of the near sea zone with modularity in missile weapons and unification in artillery / helicopter / air defense, radar and other weapons. The downside is also the time. "It was necessary yesterday."
    1. +2
      August 30 2017
      Quote: andy.v.lee
      It is sad that the multiplicity of types is not good. "Classmates": "Karakurt", "Cheetahs", 20380/5/6, "Buyan-M".

      With 22800 and 21631 everything is clear. At first they wanted to do low blood, mighty blow - and made from an artillery boat for rivers and inland seas (21630) MRK (21631). But a miracle did not happen - the boat turned out to be toothy, but he had problems with seaworthiness. I had to do a normal seaworthy RTO (22800).

      The second pair - 11661 and 20380. They are not classmates of RTOs - at least some sort of air defense and anti-aircraft defense appear on them.
      PMSM, 11661 destroyed GTU. The diesel 20380 turned out to be more attractive for the fleet. So there were 11661 in a single copy.
      1. +2
        August 30 2017
        Yes, it's all clear. Quantity is the problem! Pacific Fleet, I would say - a bunch of dissimilar formations today, and not the fleet - "naked"! SF - also "not armor". The series is still needed yesterday. Yawing with multi-type is one of the reasons for the lack of doctrine at sea in the Russian Federation in general! But in fact - patching holes in that holey suit. About "classmates" - I deliberately put in quotation marks. Isn’t it easier to make one hull with modularity (for Shushlays it was reached in 056 and continues to improve, more than 50 hulls to be built) that could accommodate everything (for all fleets, the Caspian does not think so)?
  11. +2
    August 30 2017
    Well done boys! The country needs ships, boats, tanks, planes, space ......! Work brothers! drinks
  12. 0
    August 30 2017
    Sad of course, like that, but still better than nothing at all.
  13. +3
    August 30 2017
    Rather than spending money on this useless trough, armed with only 1 small-caliber cannon, it would be better to build a project 11541 rocket frigate, there is no Corsair rocket at Bykov, for its re-equipment with Caliber rockets, it will need to be rebuilt at a ship repair plant, with dismantling more parts of fuel tanks.
    1. 0
      August 31 2017
      To start the performance characteristics of "Bykova" look, then rebuild on the shipyard under the Gauges.
      1. +1
        2 September 2017
        So look at the performance characteristics, just look better ... All armament is a 57 mm cannon, for the installation of other things, a serious alteration of the ship is required, which in case of war or armed conflict, the enemy simply will not give time ... You did not think about why such a small ship has such a great range ?! But because they found a place to install additional fuel tanks due to the abandonment of serious weapons ... There are no missiles, Caliber, there are no air defense systems, no PLO ... This is a boat to scare the raven and poachers ...
  14. 0
    August 30 2017
    why is the name "Vasily Bykov"? Is it a Belarusian Soviet writer? Or a man somehow connected with the fleet?
  15. 0
    August 31 2017
    Zibelew,
    “Colonial gunboat” is the ideal definition for this “product”.

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