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Again Sevastopol, again marketing on the bones, under the guise of patriotism

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Necessary preface.

Lord svidomye and not quite, that is, disguised as Russians. You in vain go to the individual. Especially since we just started. Save your strength for the following publications, in which we will talk about the financial side of the issue and the theft of money. And since it’s not even about millions, it’s all, we think, it will be interesting.

All these attempts to translate the conversation in a different direction will come to nothing. As well as stories about some sort of “trinzakh”, which have Slavic roots and justify dancing on graves. To justify the fact that someone felt like a god is very difficult.

So, let's start with the "trinity". With the definition.

Trizna - part of the pagan burial rite of the Eastern Slavs, consisted of songs, dances, feasts and military competitions in honor of the deceased. Trizna was committed near the burial site after the burning of the deceased. Later this term was used as a synonym for the commemoration rite.

The pagan rite ... In modern Russia ... Well, you brought the example, however. Maybe we should recall something from the pagan past? Torchlight processions, for example. It is possible and from not so far, I can even say from the recent.

Again Sevastopol, again marketing on the bones, under the guise of patriotism



Maybe we in Russia and learn from this experience? Completely so pagan? Or will we still start from the fact that we have a civilized state in which people don’t dance on the graves?

Although Svidomo thinking machine to take it, probably difficult. But we will try again.

After the publication of the article “Patriotic Dances on the Graves of the Red Army Fighters”, a strange feeling arose that it was no surprise for our brother. No dancing on the graves, no illegal burials, no private cemeteries.

Perhaps readers, because of their domestic concerns, didn’t see in the article all cynicism and horror? Let us speak more directly.

Dear readers, a schedule of mini-concerts on the graves of your relatives is being drawn up. Write in the comments of the address of the graves. Location does not matter - creativity will find its way to any corner of our big country! Young rock bands, punk bands, as well as ethnic ensembles will perform on the graves of your loved ones, they will perform the “Slavic trove”. Give creativity in the cemeteries!

If after this announcement you didn’t have a share of indignation, well, hard crackers are also people, everyone wants to live ...

And for those who have been jarred on we will tell about new types of marketing at the military memorial cemeteries of the heroes-defenders of Sevastopol!

Bones marketing

From economic theory we learn that marketing is the organization of production and sales of products based on the study of the market demand for goods and services.

Now consider this term in the annex to the military memorial cemetery. There is such an economic phenomenon in the city-hero of Sevastopol.

According to the provisions of the museum "35-I coastal battery" the purpose of their activities is: memorial search, research, scientific and educational work. But what will be discussed further, does not fall under these noble museum goals.

Let me remind you that by the decision of the government of Sevastopol, only one status was officially assigned to the territory of the museum “35-I coastal battery” - not a museum, not a historical memorial complex, but a cemetery. And on this, by the way, cemetery, kneeled down and laid flowers?



Hope everyone guessed. It was laying flowers. not at the concert jumped.

Usually marketing appears where there is a “market”, that is, a “market”, in other words, where there is something to sell. Here is an intrigue for you - and what can be sold at the cemetery? Ha! Learn!

Cemetery Weddings

A curious document came into our hands with the stamp of the museum and the signature of director Volodin. Regulations for the reception of weddings on the territory of the military memorial cemetery. What is it like?





In each city there is a tradition of passing wedding cards on the canonical monuments of the Great Patriotic War and laying flowers at the eternal lights. This is beautiful - it is the connection of generations, it is a tribute to the peaceful sky, under which you can create happy families. But we don’t know the cities of Russia where the newlyweds visit cemeteries on their bright holiday and the cemetery directors serve them.

Youth quests in the cemetery

On the territory of the 35th battery, youth "patriotic quests" are held, in which teenagers compete for speed, ingenuity, knowledge of basic historical milestones. This is what the quest page looks like on social networks. Please pay attention to the spelling in the title.



But the emotional feedback from the quest participant from Perm. 30-year-old Uliana is very imbued with the atmosphere created by the guides and organizers of the quest.



Only the words “identified by 50 people”, “buried in 35 about 80 thousands”, “in some rooms ... smells of decomposed flesh”, “the fascists for a long time could not find the battery” can be explained only by overwhelming emotions with the ground ... Oktyabrsky gave the order not to respond, "when the fascists pressed, they had to eat jellyfish," "Sevastopol defended Russia throughout the war and paid millions of lives," "the commanders were evacuated after walking along the corridor of shame."

On the other hand, this mess of speculation and delirium remained in Ulyana’s head after the excursion. And home, in Perm, Ulyana brought just such an understanding of events on the 35-th battery.

Graveyard Concerts



We have already talked about concerts held in the territory of the 35 battery. At the last, timed to coincide with the day when the city was handed over to the Nazis, Moscow aged rocker Belov, who sang at the burial of warriors in choir with Sevastopol “We will rock you”, lit up the fire.

To everyone who seemed to be normal and, in general, a Slavic ritual - a trifold, we would not want that in the distant future, when you are gone, they would sing and dance on your graves, even if you were approved by Slavic tribesmen.

Performances at the cemetery

But here's an innovation. Imagine the heroic 35-I battery, the portal entrance to the casemates, at the entrance is a wild stone with a marble slab and the inscription: "To the Defenders of Sevastopol Stepping into Immortality ..." on it (the stone is constantly shrouded in many wreaths from grateful descendants) but the monument is closed with a black rag , casually hanging, wreaths removed.

The question is “excellent”: what do you think, why is the monument draped?



At the entrance to the casemates is a performance. Play Moscow actors from the studio "Negrustifilm." The performance is given for free. In front of the entrance, the 60 man sits on plastic chairs and laughs. In the course of the mediocre play of the play “Do not leave me,” a woman playing the rank and file of the Red Army, utters the word “JOBS”, the audience hears “JOPS” and laugh approvingly. Commenting on who in that much.



Nobody is embarrassed that the play is being played at the cemetery, no one is embarrassed that the monument to the soldiers-liberators is draped, before which a week ago Russian President Putin bowed his knee, laying a bouquet of flowers, does not embarrass anyone that the director of the museum V. Volodin in introductory speech the performance explained that the actors will play "in front of these walls, which will serve us as a kind of decoration ..."

Surprisingly, the absurdity that occurs at the walls of the tragic monument to the Russian spirit in general DOES NOT CONFUSIVE ANYONE!

Can you imagine that during the staging of the play on Mamayev Kurgan they draped the Motherland? We are not. Do you remember how high it rose on the eve of Victory Day in society when you learned that during the parade on Red Square they draped the Mausoleum? The public simply boiled with indignation.

And on the 35-th battery everything is peaceful, everyone is happy. The management creates that he wants and nobody cares. Full "ZHOBS", gentlemen, comrades!

Oaths at the cemetery



Here, the marines lined up along the necropolis, on this solemn day of graduation from college, the guys take the oath of allegiance to the Motherland ... at the cemetery. All this looks like a childish horror story “in a black and black city, people in black and black are taking oath in a black and black cemetery ...”

But, unfortunately, this is not a fairy tale, this is reality. After the solemn ritual, when the military band is silent, the young guy whose hot words of the oath have not yet cooled off “I swear ... to strictly comply with the requirements of military regulations, orders of commanders and commanders”, among his battle brothers, is a mandatory tour of the 35 battery, where tour guide Dmitry (he has a very “author's version” of the excursion text) tells the fighters how in 1942 the commanders “fled” from the battlefields, treacherously dropping the soldiers (we will write about the distortion of the history by the museum’s management in the next mat iale). And the marine comes out, sworn in to the cemetery of the 35 battery, and vague thoughts will torment him. Or will not be?

Exhibitions in the cemetery

May 9 Sevastopol residents and guests of the city after the Victory Parade on Nakhimov Square sought to get on the 35-th battery. Rising to the second floor of the administrative complex of the museum, solemnly dressed guests rested against the beginning of the exhibition - black posters with photos of fascist generals and a description of the status of their subordinate units at the time of the battle for Sevastopol. Museum workers even hanged these posters symbolically, in the form of a swastika.



Most likely, these posters begin the exposition of the Beginning of Immortality exhibition because without these generals and the activities of their troops, the transition to immortality of the defenders of Sevastopol would not have happened. Here are some quotes from these posters.

“Radu Cornet <…> brigadier general. From a noble aristocratic family. has established himself as a courageous and capable officer. During the Second World War, he was engaged in the creation of mechanized units. His unit <...> was used to fight the Feodosiya landing, to defeat the Soviet armies near Kerch "

"Oscar Von Boddin <...> died in Yevpatoria in January 1942 while repelling the Red Army amphibious assault"


Here we have to regret Oscar, probably?

“Heinz Ziegler <…> General of Artillery. He was fluent in Russian and martial arts. More than once he performed special tasks of the command. He led the landing operation in the Feodosia area, which ensured the success of the Germans in defeating the Soviet armies at the Kerch bridgehead. One of the most important operations carried out by Colonel Ziegler in Crimea was the operation to destroy the Black Sea Fleet arsenal tunnel dug in the 30s of the XX century in Sevastopol from the village of Holland to Apollo Bay "

When the indignation of the enthusiastic description of the lives of nonhumans from the Wehrmacht, who destroyed everything in their path, subsided a little, I was interested in the information about the existence of the tunnel connecting Holland with Apollo Beam, because I had not heard of anything like that from Sevastopol.

Internet came to the rescue. The only mention of such a tunnel and General Zingler was found in the book “Stalin could strike first” by a non-existent author under the pseudonym Oleg Greig. Here is a quote from the book:

“One of the most important operations of Major General Ziegler was the operation approved by von Manstein to destroy the Black Sea arsenal tunnel fleet, which was dug in the 30s of the XX century in Sevastopol at the cost of the incredible efforts of Soviet slave prisoners from the village of Holland to the Apollon Bay (where the thirteenth ship repair factory of the Black Sea Fleet is now well known to Sevastopol and Black Sea residents) ”(https: // www. ereading.club/chapter.php/1003979/38/Greyg_Oleg__Stalin_mog_udarit_pervym.html)

Especially striking phrase "Soviet slaves, prisoners." One feels that the whole book of the invisible author is imbued with a kind of love for the Motherland, unselfish, gratuitous.

It turns out that the employees of CHUS MIMK “35-I battery” do not form their expositions on the basis of documentary facts, but use fantastic literature. Well, it is impossible to demand more from an institution that is not a museum.

Conclusion

The bottom line is that we have a place in Sevastopol, officially registered by the state as a cemetery. Free and paid excursions lead from this cemetery (according to the director), they stage plays, play concerts, organize oaths, hold exhibitions of dubious content and youth quests (time must be matched).

All these activities in everyday life are called marketing - increasing sales. There is a question - what sales does Mr. V. Volodin increase with the knowledge of A. Chaly and the chairman of the legislative assembly E. Altabaeva? What can be sold at the cemetery?

About this we will tell.

PS

The legend of psychoanalysis Carl Jung all his life dreamed of home. And when he had the opportunity to build it, he built a unique building with secret rooms, passages and its own pier. Later he wrote that the house is an image of the soul of its owner, a reflection of its inner, intimate, complex structure.

A person, at least once in Sevastopol, can confirm that it is in this city that the subtle mental organization of the Russian people is felt very keenly. For example, in the same handsome Krasnodar, big and fussy, such sensations do not come. Undoubtedly, Sevastopol is a reflection of the Russian soul, expressed in secret underground passages, marinas and monuments of Russian military glory incredible in their spiritual power.

In Sevastopol, you need to lead our twin cities - from Serbia to Syria - so that they feel with their own hearts the strength of the spirit of the Russian people, who selflessly defended their Fatherland in all ages. Tolstoy wrote: “It cannot be that when you think that you, too, in Sevastopol, your feeling of some kind of courage and pride does not penetrate into your soul, and that blood does not begin to circulate more quickly in your veins ...”

Sevastopol should be governed by “neurosurgeons” who can perform operations with the subtlest strings of the Russian soul. Unfortunately, for the time being the city is driven by “butchers”, wielding axes. But the butcher, who makes trepanning of the skull with an ax, can cut off, for example, the cerebellum, without which a person will remain disabled for life. In the same way, Russia can become mentally disabled, allowing the “butchers” to organize their spiritual organization in Sevastopol ...


And the last. The authors in no way set themselves the task of throwing mud at the honest name of Mr. Chaly. For now, we are simply setting forth certain facts that are associated with the name of the former national mayor by his supporters, nothing more.

And because it is in the following material will be published some financial documents and announced schemes. And excerpts from an interview with Mr. Chaly. Let's see what all supporters of pagan rituals will say. And, perhaps, then everyone will be more aware of the reason for so close attention to Sevastopol affairs.
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  1. temirtau72
    temirtau72 5 September 2017 07: 25
    +3
    And why is all this still not in the UK ?!
    1. siberalt
      siberalt 5 September 2017 08: 41
      +4
      And where does the prosecutor of Sevastopol look? Criminal punishment for mocking graves has not yet been abolished.
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        1. Dangerous
          Dangerous 5 September 2017 11: 05
          +15
          Absolutely agree. The author seems to have paranoia for this complex. In all cities on eternal fires (where mass graves with the names of those buried there) and weddings and events are held. What clinging to this 35th battery is unclear ...
          1. vp90
            vp90 5 September 2017 11: 19
            +4
            Quote: Dangerous
            What clinging to this 35th battery is unclear ...

            Governor Election September 10th.
            Dimon Rostekhovskii shove people.
          2. helmi8
            helmi8 5 September 2017 12: 08
            +12
            In all cities on eternal fires (where mass graves with the names of those buried there) and weddings and events are held

            I support. I see nothing wrong with the fact that the newlyweds lay flowers at the monument, and young soldiers and sailors take the oath in such a memorable place. Everything is exactly the opposite. This is patriotic education ...
            1. stew
              stew 5 September 2017 14: 42
              +6
              The whole Sevastopol cemetery, recently on the Outpost a girl was persuaded for this, but an ordinary troll is ordinary, constant throwing about Chaly, can you write a big top about the bike?
          3. Xnumx vis
            Xnumx vis 6 September 2017 21: 05
            +5
            Sevastopol is covered in blood. many past wars. I still collect a handful of cartridge cases and shell fragments every spring when digging the land of Sevastopol in my six-hundredth plot. And 72 years after the WAR .. The whole city can be called a cemetery. On every meter of the land of Sevastopol, someone was killed or wounded. There was a tragedy on every meter! Holy Land . But, people in Sevastopol land live, are born, laugh, cry, drink and eat. What now to evict people from the city? Stupid and harmful!
          4. gara1971
            gara1971 8 September 2017 20: 37
            +1
            This is an order of someone sneaky type from Navalny-Mrazina !!! They always paid tribute to the Memory and Respect at the Eternal Lights, Memorials for the Wedding! Author: Mokey Rusinov, Roman Skomorokhov and corrupt scrubs !!!
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      2. Sevastopol
        Sevastopol 5 September 2017 10: 58
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        Ukrainian prosecutor remained in the city - Shevchenko. but in general all this is nonsense, of course. like a bike show, as there is much more in the city. and far from all Sevastopoltsav is happy with everything, to put it mildly. where they go too far, to insanity. and where it is necessary really - do nothing.
    2. practus
      practus 5 September 2017 09: 59
      0
      Already made a request.
    3. MoJloT
      MoJloT 6 September 2017 10: 03
      +6
      Because the whole article is complete nonsense. In the place where the 35th battery memorial is now located, there was recently a dump. A complex was built on donations, everything is free and entrance and excursions ... There are a lot of people who want to visit, the main thing is to get a treasured ticket. Young people come to the memorial as it relies on weddings to holy places. The only thing that bothers you is that right outside the memorial, the local kids are swimming, they may not be aware that tens of thousands of red army soldiers were resting there, the sea was red with blood then, and the sea itself was not visible from the bodies of the fallen. But these are local, many of their relatives fought in the Crimea, they know better.
      1. Ostromirov
        Ostromirov 6 September 2017 10: 42
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        MoJloT!

        Bullshit - what exactly? Not about “built for free”, but about what is written in the articlee - where SPECIFICly delirium?

        And about the "sea, which was not visible due to the bodies of the fallen" - I would like to hear "sourse of information».
        1. MoJloT
          MoJloT 6 September 2017 13: 35
          +6
          Do not be lazy, visit the memorial yourself, it’s better to see it once, they will tell you everything there, they will show you ... You will not only receive a source of information, they will show you the soldiers who are still alive and who commanded them by the clock, what and how much times fired, in general there is a lot of information and there will be even more.
          1. Ostromirov
            Ostromirov 6 September 2017 16: 59
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            MoJloT!

            Apparently you visited?
            Probably - and the Pantheon? In this case, if you turn to the "museum staff" and ask to clarify the information about the person for each photo in the Pantheon, you will be surprised by the amazing "discoveries". Try...

            And only then claim that in that "museum" they own information.
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  2. Mik13
    Mik13 5 September 2017 07: 32
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    Right now, a team of fans of Chaly will watch and tell you that you can’t touch the historical person with dirty paws.
    Shame on you, gentlemen, journalists!
    It’s possible to say that Krymnash ensured Russia’s small one, and here you are doing inappropriate actions with your inappropriate investigations! You do not have a subtle understanding of the features of the historical moment!
    What will they say in Kiev? What embarrassment ... How is it now for the bright Internet army to fight in the comments with the Kiev Nazis for a brighter future? Nightmare...
    Political expediency is far more important than your unconstructive criticism!
    1. vp90
      vp90 5 September 2017 11: 24
      +2
      Quote: Mik13
      Right now, a team of fans of Chaly will watch and tell you that you can’t touch the historical person with dirty paws.
      Shame on you, gentlemen, journalists!
      It’s possible to say that Krymnash ensured Russia’s small one, and here you are doing inappropriate actions with your inappropriate investigations! You do not have a subtle understanding of the features of the historical moment!
      What will they say in Kiev? What embarrassment ... How is it now for the bright Internet army to fight in the comments with the Kiev Nazis for a brighter future? Nightmare...
      Political expediency is far more important than your unconstructive criticism!

      And did you know Chaly long before the crime of crime?
  3. rudolff
    rudolff 5 September 2017 08: 04
    +11
    Maybe the article raises the question correctly, but then you need to start from Red Square. For the sake of interest, I typed in a search engine "a necropolis near the Kremlin wall" and twisted my heart. I have been there many times, but I never realized how many people have been buried there since the age of 17. Red Square, this is really a cemetery. Cemetery, where concerts, festivals, exhibitions, competitions, etc. Maybe it's time to think too? Or transfer all these burials, urns from columbaria, possibly a mausoleum to a certain pantheon, which they wanted to do back in 53rd. Or ban all of these show events on Red Square, leaving only military parades. Otherwise, really dances on bones reminds.
    1. user1212
      user1212 5 September 2017 10: 20
      +9
      Quote: rudolff
      Red Square, this is really a cemetery. Cemetery, where concerts, festivals, exhibitions, competitions, etc. Maybe it's time to think too?

      Then nowhere else in Europe can events be held at all. There were so many wars that every centimeter of the earth can be called a place of battle and death. Do you propose to drive people into nature reserves in vanishingly small territories that have never been touched by war? In Volgograd and St. Petersburg people do not even marry chtol?
      1. rudolff
        rudolff 5 September 2017 10: 58
        +2
        Do not go to extremes. This is an official burial place, a cemetery and a columbarium.
    2. Serg65
      Serg65 6 September 2017 07: 33
      +7
      Rudolph, I wish you good health hi
      Quote: rudolff
      Maybe in the article the question is rightly raised

      You see, my friend, two forces clashed in Sevastopol: Chaly with his comrades, like the residents of Sevastopol, who care for their city and the team of immigrants under financial supervision ... attention ... graduate of the Yaroslavl Higher Military Financial School, ex-Minister of Defense of Ukraine, Mr. Pavlo Pavlo Valentinovich! What is the essence of the problem, my friend? And the essence of the problem is that the scales in the Legislative Assembly of Sevastopol are now fluctuating between Chalovskys and Lebedevsky, and on the eve of the election !!!!!
      1. rudolff
        rudolff 6 September 2017 09: 02
        +6
        Hello Serge! Well, I don’t know such subtleties, although one can guess, judging by how Skomorokhov and the company rush into the embrasure. With a sweetheart article.
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 6 September 2017 09: 05
          +7
          Quote: rudolff
          With a sweetheart article.

          At the beginning of the 90's, I in Sevastopol had a good look at such "defenders of socialist property"!
      2. Ostromirov
        Ostromirov 6 September 2017 09: 38
        0
        Serg65!

        Maladtsa!
        Like, in the garden of elderberry, and in Kiev - uncle.

        In the city going reformat attempt Sevastopol to Chalovsk.
        And this is not Lebedev’s, but SEVASTOPOLSY, for the third year in a row, “whipping” with Chalov’s to prevent the destruction of the Main Base of the Black Sea Fleet under the fantasies of an “electric oligarch”.

        You missile defense "museum" can say something, or yes??
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 6 September 2017 09: 44
          +6
          Quote: Ostromir
          And this is not Lebedev’s, but SEVASTOPOLSY, for the third year in a row, “whipping” with Chalov’s to prevent the destruction of the Main Base of the Black Sea Fleet under the fantasies of an “electric oligarch”.

          what Come on? And I have from the same SEVASTOPOLTSEV a completely different infa! How to be my friend ???
          Quote: Ostromir
          You missile defense "museum" can say something, or yes ??

          laughing Like my words can change something in your head? Very doubtful request
          1. Ostromirov
            Ostromirov 6 September 2017 10: 17
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            Serg65!

            Yes life is easierb, Serg65: understand not gossip and live not rumors.
            That is - to be in the city. Himself and personally.
            Or - QUIET to listen and ponder other information, including from Ostromira, and not just "Old from their Sevastopol."
            And then - without fail “you will see through Sevastopol”.

            Your words can NOT change ANYTHING in that “museum”. There, to suppress bacchanalia - STATE intervention required with FULL audit.
            Here is this article, including about it.
            1. Serg65
              Serg65 6 September 2017 10: 25
              +4
              Quote: Ostromir
              Yes, it’s easier to be

              laughing But is that much easier?
              Quote: Ostromir
              Or - QUIET to listen and ponder other information, including from Ostromirov

              What !!!! So other information for Ostromirova is like a red rag for a bull, and the information of Ostromirova proper is a priori correct?
              Quote: Ostromir
              howl words of ANYTHING in that "museum" - can not. There, to suppress bacchanalia, it is necessary to STATE intervention with a FULL audit.

              First, what does the state have to do with a private museum?
              Secondly, why are you so boiling? Close the museum with your power, and all those involved in this "abomination" under execution and business then !!! What is in the way?
              1. Ostromirov
                Ostromirov 6 September 2017 10: 34
                0
                Serg65!

                The question you posed is NOT correct.
                For private should NOT speculate on OUR GENERAL, including - and on the HISTORY of the Great Patriotic War.
                Otherwise, the same thing happens - rewriting history. What is ACTUAL - and get up in "that museum."

                Information, even sharply at odds with the already established STEREOTYPE, is not a “red rag” for a thinking person, and opportunityl analyze and understand "wider."
                Is this just for comprehension or is it still difficult for you?
  4. AleBors
    AleBors 5 September 2017 10: 17
    0
    I hope the competent authorities know about all of the above? Only federal, I hope, because the locals have not yet gotten rid of "cooling."
    1. Sevastopol
      Sevastopol 5 September 2017 11: 05
      +5
      federal by and large do not care. we are too small for them. and about "cooling" .... but it is rather a common bureaucratic sloppiness and incompetence, which is characteristic of any city in our country.
      and for your information, we have no local officials in the city. all under Ovsyannikov’s mainland. they all fired, not a single deputy even has a local, or any significant figure in the city government. even the “aphid” by bureaucrats almost completely overtook the local one. people from all over the country in positions, but not local in 95% of cases. and among the cops and prosecutors there were those who had still moved here under Yatsub. Donetsk mainly. not local too in general.
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      1. Sevastopol
        Sevastopol 5 September 2017 11: 19
        +3
        concerts on the 35th battery. I also think this is inappropriate. on the one hand, the whole of Sevastopol, every meter of our land beneath us with the remains of soldiers. and in the city simply can’t find a place where people would not die. on the other hand, if nevertheless it is a separate memorial complex, dances with this do not fit in any way.
        1. vp90
          vp90 5 September 2017 11: 42
          +2
          Quote: Sevastopolets
          concerts on the 35th battery. I also think this is inappropriate. on the one hand, the whole of Sevastopol, every meter of our land beneath us with the remains of soldiers. and in the city simply can’t find a place where people would not die. on the other hand, if nevertheless it is a separate memorial complex, dances with this do not fit in any way.

          most importantly night dogs turn out of town.
          and I advise you to go to one of the concerts on the thirty-fifth.
        2. Ostromirov
          Ostromirov 5 September 2017 13: 07
          +3
          Sevastopolets!

          What is each meter below us "with the remains"?

          The territory of the city was sanitized by both ours and the Germans - burial places were indicated on maps.

          During the restoration of the city after the war, with the massive distribution of land for summer cottages, and now, during the extensive construction of the EXACTLY in the city, the remains are found occasionally. Moreover, at times, the period of the Crimean War, as it was four years ago in the area of ​​"reed bay"

          But the territory of the 35th battery itself, where now, like, a "museum" and which has not gone under asphalt, concrete and tile - systemically NOT sanitizeda.

          Namely, along these earthen mounds paths are trodden, and young people run quests on the grass. This is it bright confirmedthe inflated and speculative nature of false patriotism in the “museum” on the 35th battery.
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 6 September 2017 08: 03
            +4
            Quote: Ostromir
            This is a vivid confirmation of the pout and speculativeness of false patriotism

            In Soviet times, the party was ordered to forget about the events associated with the 35 battery. How many can we find fiction and documentary works about the last days of the defense of Sevastopol ??? For once, a group of like-minded people, a group of like-minded people gathered to perpetuate the memory of the heroes who stood to the end and at the same time did not ask for money not from Russia, not from Ukraine! But no, that’s impossible! It turns out false patriotism!
            Quote: Ostromir
            during the extensive construction EXACTLY in the city, the remains are discovered occasionally. Moreover, at times, the period of the Crimean War, as it was four years ago in the area of ​​"reed bay"

            My dearest, I personally in 87, when digging a foundation in the Quarantine beam, near Matyukha, a couple of bayonets deep, came across human remains and ammunition in the form of cartridges and grenades, and here you are talking about some sort of systemic rehabilitation!
            1. Ostromirov
              Ostromirov 6 September 2017 09: 27
              +1
              Serg65!

              There were NO SPECIAL events on the 35th battery. It was ONE of the last lines of defense from the Karan plateau to Cape Khersones, where the lighthouse is. And the heroic tragedy of the last days was ONE on all ...
              And the feat of the defenders was immortalized - and you're lying that it ain't doneabout - and in conferring the city the title of a hero city and in awarding defenders of the city with medals for his defense, after documenting his participation in the defense, because the "papers" of many parts were lost. This LONG years in Soviet times was dealt with by a special department under the Crimean Regional Committee. Awarded more than 90 thousand people. In the city, dozens of streets are named after those who defended the city. Who forgot?!

              And since the “museum” came EXACTLY on the territory, and not exclusively to the casemates, and even started large-scale construction there, and even with the patency of large masses of people, must ALL territory to scan. What's wrong?
              1. Serg65
                Serg65 6 September 2017 10: 49
                +3
                Quote: Ostromir
                There were NO SPECIAL EVENTS on the 35 battery

                But for sure, not what was not there !!!!!
                Quote: Ostromir
                The heroic tragedy of the last days was ONE on all ...

                Well, yes, of course, excuse me, I somehow forgot that Oktyabrsky, Kulakov (by the way, one of the Kruglov brothers you mentioned, namely Genius, really didn’t like Comrade Kulakov), Petrov and others, who honorably fulfilled their duty in the defense of Sevastopol, shot themselves at the edge water that would not have a shame.
                Quote: Ostromir
                and you're lying

                Comrade, do not forget to press the brakes when cornering!
                Quote: Ostromir
                And the feat of the defenders was immortalized

                Are we talking about the whole defense, or about the last days of defense? You yourself decide!
                Quote: Ostromir
                required to scan the entire territory

                Must! Here I do not argue!
                But when they came to the territory it was long before your temper tantrums and also another state, but I do not know the laws of this state and I do not want to know.
                1. Ostromirov
                  Ostromirov 6 September 2017 11: 36
                  +1
                  Serg65!

                  The events of the last days of defense were NOT exceptional “only for the 35th battery” and some kind of “protrusion” of it - this is a museum lie.

                  About the honor of duty, Serg65, it is necessary to argue in the COMPLIANCE of ALL the situation on the fronts from Murmansk to Sevastopol in 1941-42. Including the one why our troops ended up near Moscow, and did not smash the enemy on foreign territory, somewhere near Bucharest or Prague ... As in the songs of the pre-war sang.

                  What are the twists and turns, Serg65? Do you claim that everyone was “betrayed” during the war and “forgotten” after the war? Prove it. Factsand not by ambition.

                  We are talking about the whole defense, and not about the last days, which were OBJECTIVELY developed due to, I repeat, TOTAL reasons, and NOT EXCLUSIVELY on the subjective decisions of the "scapegoats" in which Oktyabrsky or Kulakov were recorded as "museum workers" from the 35th battery.

                  And here is another state, if the territory is private and “patriots” command it? And what prevents the "patriots" for three years in their native harbor from engaging in a business of "reorganization" rather than continuing verbiage?

                  And say, Serg65, during the defense of the city there were so few heroes that portraits of the Nazis and their “battle path” become “museum workers” - priority in their expositions?
          2. Xnumx vis
            Xnumx vis 8 September 2017 07: 04
            0
            You gloriously distorted the cards!
            Quote: Ostromir
            What is each meter below us "with the remains"?
            The territory of the city was sanitized by both ours and the Germans - burial places were indicated on maps.

            Quote: Ostromir
            But the territory of the 35th battery itself, where now, like, a “museum” and which has not gone under asphalt, concrete and tiles, is NOT systemically sanitized.

            My dear, you’re talking about the fact that in Sevastopol every meter of the earth is watered with human blood .. And if you don’t sanitize (what a word !!) this meter is still flooded with blood of dead soldiers. Here on this meter someone covered a shell, killed a bullet, or a person died in melee bleeding from wounds. Add to 35 batteries! That there are no more affairs in the city! Sewage treatment plants need to be built, parks should be planted, schools should be built, plants should be restored, children should be taught. They didn’t give a snatch!
            1. Ostromirov
              Ostromirov 8 September 2017 16: 26
              0
              30 vis!

              WHAT by the facts cited in the article you can say?

              Namely, like every meter of the earth poured with blood on the territory of the former 35th battery, now raining blasphemy and lies over those and those who shed this blood. EXACTLY the activities of private traders, in this territory with their own "museum got in" ...
              1. Xnumx vis
                Xnumx vis 8 September 2017 20: 06
                +2
                Facts are not worth a damn! Nonsense! Stop juggling. What is the main problem in Sevastopol? Sailors took the oath on 35 batteries! This is that sacrilege! Concerts are held - where are the naked and drunk singing? Soldiers and schoolchildren, government delegations lead to the graves of unknown soldiers, newlyweds come? -Where is the crime here? You that Chaly crossed the road?
                1. Ostromirov
                  Ostromirov 8 September 2017 20: 50
                  0
                  30 vis!

                  You are the main thing - do not be nervous.

                  So I understand that according to the facts of SORROW nothing to argue - except hysteria.

                  Because concerts, oaths, the newlyweds in the cemetery - this is SAGGERY. If Chaly does not understand this, together with you, then this is not “the problem of your eggs", And the problem is your conscienceand.
                  From a human point of view.
                  And it is criminal, in terms of violation of the laws of the State.
                  1. Xnumx vis
                    Xnumx vis 8 September 2017 22: 09
                    0
                    I'm tired of stupidity!
                2. free
                  free 9 September 2017 17: 21
                  0
                  Quote: 30 vis
                  Facts are not worth a damn! Nonsense! Stop juggling. What is the main problem in Sevastopol? Sailors took the oath on 35 batteries! This is that sacrilege! Concerts are held - where are the naked and drunk singing? Soldiers and schoolchildren, government delegations lead to the graves of unknown soldiers, newlyweds come? -Where is the crime here? You that Chaly crossed the road?


                  But in a foreign language to sing songs is that normal? In the language of those who wish our death, in the language of those against whom the victims fought? Is this normal? A photo in the form of a fascist cross, is that normal? Listing the merits of the Nazis is that normal?
                  1. Xnumx vis
                    Xnumx vis 10 September 2017 12: 32
                    0
                    I'm tired of stupidity!
            2. free
              free 9 September 2017 17: 24
              0
              Quote: 30 vis
              You gloriously distorted the cards!
              Quote: Ostromir
              What is each meter below us "with the remains"?
              The territory of the city was sanitized by both ours and the Germans - burial places were indicated on maps.

              Quote: Ostromir
              But the territory of the 35th battery itself, where now, like, a “museum” and which has not gone under asphalt, concrete and tiles, is NOT systemically sanitized.

              My dear, you’re talking about the fact that in Sevastopol every meter of the earth is watered with human blood .. And if you don’t sanitize (what a word !!) this meter is still flooded with blood of dead soldiers. Here on this meter someone covered a shell, killed a bullet, or a person died in melee bleeding from wounds. Add to 35 batteries! That there are no more affairs in the city! Sewage treatment plants need to be built, parks should be planted, schools should be built, plants should be restored, children should be taught. They didn’t give a snatch!


              As he said then, not Soviet, not the blood of compatriots, not the blood of heroes, but just people. So the Nazis are people too, are you a liberal Russophobe?
              1. Xnumx vis
                Xnumx vis 10 September 2017 12: 33
                0
                I'm tired of stupidity!
              2. Xnumx vis
                Xnumx vis 10 September 2017 12: 46
                0
                Are you accusing me of Russophobia? In love for fascism? People, dear, these are all those who died for the freedom and independence of my Motherland-USSR-Russia! These are my four uncles who died in the Great War, three on the Kursk Bulge, one in Belarus, my grandfather drove his lorry on the Life Road to Leningrad, my mother got up to the machine tool in Penza at age 14, and my father entered the naval special school in 1944 Vladivostok ...... you want to offend me ???
                1. free
                  free 10 September 2017 19: 07
                  0
                  Quote: 30 vis
                  Are you accusing me of Russophobia? In love for fascism? People, dear, these are all those who died for the freedom and independence of my Motherland-USSR-Russia! These are my four uncles who died in the Great War, three on the Kursk Bulge, one in Belarus, my grandfather drove his lorry on the Life Road to Leningrad, my mother got up to the machine tool in Penza at age 14, and my father entered the naval special school in 1944 Vladivostok ...... you want to offend me ???


                  I want to understand you!
  5. stas-xnumx
    stas-xnumx 5 September 2017 11: 37
    +4
    Yeah, in 2012, then Ukraine, I specially drove my son to see the Russian Navy’s parade, also special. I drove him to Sapu Gora, Balaklava, and always to the 35th battery, because I spent my childhood in Sevastopol, and everything dear, I know everything, everything ours, so we used 35 batteries each, even my son, 10 years old, and then we spoke in a half-whisper, and when we were on excursions in the casemates, and when walked around the territory ... And what the author writes about what periodically happens there is not permissible. Definitely not!
  6. Silhouette
    Silhouette 5 September 2017 11: 44
    +7
    Yes there is no cemetery there. There is status, but no cemetery. They are buried in the cemetery. Who and when was buried on a 35 battery? The impression that the author has never been to the churchyard. There is a memorial with a stasuom cemetery. Change status - and that's it.
    1. vp90
      vp90 5 September 2017 12: 11
      +3
      Quote: Silhouette
      Yes there is no cemetery there. There is status, but no cemetery. They are buried in the cemetery. Who and when was buried on a 35 battery? The impression that the author has never been to the churchyard. There is a memorial with a stasuom cemetery. Change status - and that's it.

      are mistaken.
      find the remains and bury them there. usually on Victory Day.
    2. art266
      art266 5 September 2017 17: 49
      +8
      There is: the mass grave of the gunners of the gun crew of the 2nd tower who died during the explosion in the tower in the evening of December 17, 1941 and the Necropolis of the museum complex, where the remains of soldiers found in the area of ​​35 batteries are buried.
      But they occupy the microscopic part of the Memorial complex and do not dance on bones there.
      1. Ostromirov
        Ostromirov 5 September 2017 20: 49
        +1
        art266!

        In the mass grave of the period of the Great Patriotic War, there were also buried, besides those who died in the tower, spotters who died at the height of Suzdal.

        And NOW there is being buried - MORE THAN 400 people have already been buried - the remains that someone BORNS to the battery, "lifting" them far BEYOND the territory, such as the "museum". And is there only the remains of OUR fighters - no one guarantees. The state actually distanced itself from what was happening in this “private museum” and taking place in our GENERAL, not private MEMORY, period of the city’s defense during the Great Patriotic War. What is it like?

        And rock concerts there take place regularly on stage 20 meters from the graves. These are the facts. Absolutely egregious. The law is един for all. Including for any Chaly or Sluggish.
        What's wrong?
        1. Silhouette
          Silhouette 6 September 2017 07: 30
          +4
          There is a substitution or combination of the concepts of “CEMETERY” and “Burial” for the purpose of speculation in the interests of the goals set and achieved. Everything else is derived from the field of controversial ethics .... On Red Square - a cemetery or a memorial? And on the Champ de Mars? Well and so on. Remember why "Crosses are not placed on mass graves, and widows do not cry on them." and understand the difference.
        2. art266
          art266 6 September 2017 16: 48
          +3
          How many times was on the 35th battery a sensation of dancing on the bones or commerce has never occurred.
          1. Ostromirov
            Ostromirov 6 September 2017 17: 05
            0
            art266!

            You will have such a feeling if you visit the “volume” about which the authors write.
            The above is the facts.
            Here it is proposed to reflect on them ...
  7. Curious
    Curious 5 September 2017 13: 35
    +5
    Honestly, the entry "about Svidomo" did not understand. Or is it now so the inhabitants of the Crimea called?
    As for the 35th battery, it is very likely that the fallen heroes again went into battle, this time not for freedom and independence of the Motherland, but for the redistribution of property.
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    1. Ostromirov
      Ostromirov 5 September 2017 15: 45
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      vadhagh!

      Stallsomething on the territory, such as a "museum" - just thereI am.

      If you, "ours" - how can you not know this? Immediately from the barrier two times sharply to the right - and run into the stall.

      И what SPECIFICALLY powerand Chaly got up across his throat?

      Come on, vadhagh, tell me - the country is listening carefullyso
  9. vadhagh
    vadhagh 5 September 2017 16: 18
    +3
    Quote: Ostromir
    vadhagh!

    Stallsomething on the territory, such as a "museum" - just thereI am.

    If you, "ours" - how can you not know this? Immediately from the barrier two times sharply to the right - and run into the stall.

    И what SPECIFICALLY powerand Chaly got up across his throat?

    Come on, vadhagh, tell me - the country is listening carefullyso

    How much do you earn in the "NS club"? And that this 35th surrendered to you?
    1. Ostromirov
      Ostromirov 5 September 2017 20: 36
      0
      vadhagh!

      Something about the power that Chaly spread rot - blown away ...

      And with the stall - in the "puddle sat" ...

      And the 35th battery - “surrendered” to Chalom for his gesheft.
      1. Serg65
        Serg65 6 September 2017 08: 12
        +3
        Quote: Ostromir
        Something you're talking about the power of something that Chaly spread rot - blown away

        Well, why? The head of this government is not Putin at all, but the ex-Minister of Defense of Ukraine Lebedev - the financial director of the ex-governor Mr. Menyaylo and the current governor Ovsyannikov. It is Lebedev who sponsors all attacks on this “scum” of Chaly, which makes it so difficult to protect the property of the Ukrainian elite and Ukrainian ex-officials.
        Good luck in the fight, Mr. Ostromirov!
        1. Ostromirov
          Ostromirov 6 September 2017 08: 59
          0
          Serg65!

          The article cites - FACTS in the so-called "museum".
          Petty in the article is mentioned - generally a “rebound”.

          What can you say ON FACTS, and not for “generally about Lebedev’s power”? Is Menyaylo and Ovsyannikov a Ukrainian elite? However - you master "sculpt humpback".

          By the way, the “what” that is now on the 35th battery is OFFICIALLY referred to as a cemetery, not a museum or memorial. I read the article carefully, or so - through the back of the head with the heel?
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 6 September 2017 09: 36
            +3
            Quote: Ostromir
            I read the article carefully, or so - through the back of the head with the heel?

            laughing Well, if the opponent has only drooling in the place of words, the right eye twitches from hysteria and he switched to you, then according to the law of the old special officers, the client has matured and the truth that I said above is true !!!
            Quote: Ostromir
            The article cites - FACTS of what is happening in the so-called "museum".

            What are the facts my friend? Sucked by you from a finger?
            The Central Museum of the Armed Forces of Russia has an exposition dedicated to the defeated fascist army - this is a fact, but the exposition does not glorify fascism - this is also a fact!
            Quote: Ostromir
            Is Menyaylo and Ovsyannikov a Ukrainian elite?

            Did I say somewhere that Menyaylo and Ovsyannikov are an elite? They are hired working elite and not only Ukrainian wink
            Quote: Ostromir
            you are a master of "sculpting a hunchback."

            Well, I have a good teacher in your face bully
            I understood correctly ... Roman Skomorokhov and Ostromirov are one and the same person?
            1. Ostromirov
              Ostromirov 6 September 2017 10: 07
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              Serg65!

              "Drain" from the topic - counted. Focus.

              Officially - precisely according to the documents - on the 35th battery, the city government organized a CEMETERY. And everything else there is some kind of "private structure to promote the development of something museum." Remember - private.

              Concert in the cemetery is not a fact? The burial of the remains of "private traders", and not state structures authorized for that - is not a fact? Mockery at the hero of the Soviet
              Union of October and senior command staff of the Sevastopol defensive region from the lips of guides - not a fact? The fact that the Earth revolves around the Sun and does not rest on three whales - is not a fact for you too?

              See if Serg65, the strongere "you-co-comrades" try to take the topic aside, the more obvious it becomes that authors of the article - RIGHTSS. And it sees and understands - the whole country.
              1. Serg65
                Serg65 6 September 2017 10: 59
                +3
                laughing Mr. Ostromirov, consider yourself the whole country. this is a diagnosis - don’t you?
                Quote: Ostromir
                Officially - precisely according to the documents - on the 35 battery, the city government organized a CEMETERY

                what Well, you belong to the fraternity of officials-hook creators, I already understood.
                Quote: Ostromir
                some kind of "private structure to promote the development of something museum." Remember - private.

                Those. a private museum does not have a right? Did I understand correctly?
                Quote: Ostromir
                Mockery at the hero of the Soviet
                Union of October and senior command staff of the Sevastopol defensive region from the lips of guides - not a fact?

                bully Yeah fact! And the fact is that the so-beloved Sevastopaltsevs "mocked" over the October and command personnel of the SOR even when you were still in kindergarten wink There is a truth about the last days of defense, but there is a desire to distort the truth ... and which of us is "well-versed"?
                1. Ostromirov
                  Ostromirov 6 September 2017 11: 44
                  0
                  Serg65!

                  But let's talk about Oktyabrsky - in more detail.

                  Have what to present - present. But then Будь SEQUENTIAL, not demagogic, and DEMAND to deprive him of the title of Hero, write out from the honorary inhabitants of the city and rename the street named after him. To mow from the bushes is one thing, and answering for your words is another. Moreover, when the "museum workers" with the 35th battery do this "bowing" to thousands of visitors.

                  Or surreptitiously throwing shit into a fan aimed at a portrait of Oktyabrsky - is it familiar and pleasant?
                  1. Serg65
                    Serg65 6 September 2017 12: 39
                    +3
                    Quote: Ostromir
                    To mow from the bushes is one thing, and answering for your words is another

                    Well, are you really allowed to mock me? Yes, and for the affairs of the "great" people, I somehow have no reason!
                    But they could answer ...

                    And these soldiers could say a lot ...

                    These abandoned wounded soldiers could tell you a lot

                    Is this girl a medical officer left with wounded soldiers to the end - is she not worthy of the title Hero of the Soviet Union? Is it impossible to name her street in Sevastopol? That is precisely impossible, because she fulfilled her log and stayed there! With your wards!
                    1. Pancir026
                      Pancir026 6 September 2017 12: 45
                      0
                      Quote: Serg65
                      Is this girl a medical officer left with wounded soldiers to the end - is she not worthy of the title Hero of the Soviet Union? Is it impossible to name her street in Sevastopol? That is precisely impossible, because she fulfilled her log and stayed there! With your wards!

                      What you are doing right now is simply called pecking, forgery, and dancing on the bones of the dead.
                      Judging by all, you imagined yourself as nothing more than Napoleon. Clausewitz. Kutuzov and Guderian with a keitel in one bottle. You are trying to replay what happened without understanding what exactly happened.
                      How does this all remind you of the dirtiest speculations of the times of 90 ...
                      That girl, like those fighters, deserves both rewards and memory, but they DO NOT DESERVE the speculation on their death.
                      1. Serg65
                        Serg65 6 September 2017 13: 07
                        +2
                        Quote: Pancir026
                        That girl, like those fighters, deserves both rewards and memory, but they DO NOT DESERVE the speculation on their death.

                        And where did you see speculation in my words?
                        Quote: Pancir026
                        trying to replay what happened without understanding what exactly happened.

                        Where am I replaying and really ... why did this happen? Can you enlighten me why this happened?
                        Quote: Pancir026
                        What you are doing right now is simply called pecking, forgery, and dancing on the bones of the dead.

                        what is the forgery? The fact that thousands of our soldiers were cast at the mercy of the enemy? Or the forgery is that the city could no longer defend itself, Or the forgery is that the higher command personnel abandoned their army and then sent telegrams .... hold on to the last? What is the forgery?
                        Dance on the bones .... dance on the bones was in 2008 when the Sevastopol leadership allowed to hold discos in the Blue Bay, in 2010 when these same people in Khersones staged the Autoexotics festival with naked girls on the hoods. And note that none of the modern "screamers" then began to beat himself in the chest!
                      2. Pancir026
                        Pancir026 6 September 2017 13: 28
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                        Quote: Serg65 6
                        what is the forgery? The fact that thousands of our soldiers were cast at the mercy of the enemy?

                        Here is the first false statement.
                        Quote: Serg65
                        Or the fraud is that the top commandos abandoned their army and then sent telegrams .... hold on to the last? What is the forgery?
                        -This is the second forgery.

                        Quote: Serg65
                        Or the forgery is that the city could no longer defend itself,
                        -And this is the third.
                        Go and learn military history, but not on the publications of all salty and brook falcons. Https: //sites.google.com/site/liontour0
                        692 / sevastopol
                    2. Ostromirov
                      Ostromirov 6 September 2017 15: 12
                      +1
                      Serg65!

                      And how many were captured and died in Brest, near Smolensk, near Minsk, near Kiev or Vyazma?

                      The tragedy of the Red Army, especially 1941, was all-embracing and MUCH causal.

                      Then, the WHOLE top command, especially the General Staff and Headquarters, abandoned everyone and betrayed everyone in 1941-42?
                      True, Serg65 sometimes also consists in the fact that, for example, in Sevastopol, after crossing the bay with the Germans in the Inkerman area, they went on the flank, in particular, of the 7-th Marine Corps on Sapun Mountain, practically without any resistance our regiments defending there. And is Oktyabrsky to blame?
                      But the Marines fought to the last ...

                      In any tragedy, there is a MASSA of nuances, sometimes having a preliminary character, such as with the quality of the replenishment preparation that came to Sevastopol from the Caucasus. And so on and so forth. The task of the museum, if it is a museum, and not a sharashkin office, is to deal with THIS objectively. And do not "hang all the dogs" on anyone.
                      This is clear? Or except “Put pressure on a tear” - is there no more mind of reason?
                      1. Serg65
                        Serg65 7 September 2017 09: 27
                        +2
                        Quote: Ostromir
                        True, Serg65 sometimes also consists in the fact that, for example, in Sevastopol, after crossing the bay with the Germans in the Inkerman area, they went on the flank, in particular, of the 7-th Marine Corps on Sapun Mountain, practically without any resistance our regiments defending there. And is Oktyabrsky to blame?

                        The truth is, my dear Ostromirov, that Oktyabrsky was not able (or did not want) to organize a cover for the evacuation and the evacuation itself. What happened on the night of June 30 to July 1? Our troops defended from the Marble Bay through the farm Pyatnitsky and to Streletskaya Bay. In the area of ​​Kamyshova and Kazachey bays, all the remaining SOR artillery is concentrated, from the memoirs of Marshal Krylov on 30 on June there were 1259 shells for field artillery. In the area of ​​the 35 battery and Cape Khersones concentrated a huge mass of soldiers and officers who left their positions without permission, while the high command of the SOR did not pay any attention to them.
                        On the night of July 1, the entire highest command was withdrawn from the remaining divisions and brigades to the area of ​​the 35 battery! In the morning, the personnel of the troops defending the front along the Marble - Streletskaya line, seeing the absence of commanders, arbitrarily left their positions and retreated to the area of ​​the 35 battery and Cape Khersones! Here are the words of General Novikov ..
                        One could still hold on, move away gradually, and at this time organize an evacuation. What does it mean to recall unit commanders? This will ruin the army, sow panic, which is what happened!

                        Oktyabrsky and Kulakov were allowed to leave for Novorossiysk and organize an evacuation, but on the urgent demands of Budenny, Oktyabrsky replied “I won’t let ships sink”, i.e. he didn’t even try to at least partially organize the evacuation of troops from Sevastopol! Same. just as he could not organize a raid on Constanta, just as he could not organize the operation "Sea"
  10. art266
    art266 5 September 2017 17: 41
    +3
    The 35th coastal battery is not a larger cemetery than Red Square in Moscow.
    And on Red Square what kind of events are not held.
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  12. Serg65
    Serg65 6 September 2017 08: 29
    +3
    The only mention of such a tunnel and General Zingler was found in the book "Stalin could strike first" of a non-existent author under the pseudonym Oleg Greig

    Mr. Skomorokhov, if you were more persistent in your Internet searches, you would have found information about the Sevastopol Special Combine No. 2, the adits of which just started against the Netherlands (for your information, the Netherlands is located on the northern coast of the Sevastopol Bay, and the object you are looking for is on the southern coast of the same bay and there is no underground communication between them), but ended at Apolonova’s BEAMS
    These adits of times of the Great Patriotic War

    And the living part of these adits
    1. Ostromirov
      Ostromirov 6 September 2017 09: 14
      0
      Serg65!

      Maladtsa! You can immediately see the "specialist" along with the "museum workers" from the 35th battery ... ...

      Special Combine No. 2 was in Inkerman, rather than opposite the "Holland". Do you imagine this ALL on the ground at all?

      And the "writer Greig about Ziegler" talked about some kind of mythical tunnel dug Beneath the North Bay somewhere somewhere between the "arsenal" near the "Holland" (on the north side of the bay) and the "arsenal" near the 13th plant (on the south side of the bay).

      Come to Sevastopol and show WHERE this tunnel is and how to enter it. You becomehonorary resident" cities…
  13. vadhagh
    vadhagh 6 September 2017 09: 03
    +1
    Quote: Ostromir
    vadhagh!

    Something about the power that Chaly spread rot - blown away ...

    And with the stall - in the "puddle sat" ...

    And the 35th battery - “surrendered” to Chalom for his gesheft.

    It's simple - I do not get paid for posts - there is a minute - I wrote ... And you need to change your nickname from Ostromirova to MOTOBOT for a long time. By the way, and in the area of ​​Mount Gasfort, where demonic dances are held annually - more than a dozen soldiers are buried on the battlefield - however, the administration also suits you ... Chaly deed proved that he is a Sevastopol man with a capital letter - and who are the judges ?! !! Hollow holes that try to slander a person who is preventing them from stealing!
    1. Ostromirov
      Ostromirov 6 September 2017 09: 55
      0
      vadhagh

      And where is where the bike show takes place - mass graves ?! Where do you come from - from Mars? In this territory, where motorcyclists are now, a workshop of the Balaklava mining department was built. And - NOT completed.

      Mount Gasfort itself is generally aloof, but on its top was the "Italian cemetery" of the time of the first defense, and destroyed during the second defense. But behind the hill, which is east of the venue of the motorcycle show, towards the "Chernorechensky Isar", German dugouts from the "field infirmary" are visible ...
      Well, then who is the hollow?

      By the way, what business and what did Chaly prove?
  14. vadhagh
    vadhagh 6 September 2017 11: 45
    0
    By the way, what business and what did Chaly prove?
    WORK ONE HUNDRED! Lol! Revel in the title of "the best thrown diarrhea on the fan." Nobody will remember about you for sure ...
    1. Ostromirov
      Ostromirov 6 September 2017 11: 55
      0
      vadhagh!

      So, "minus odin ”from among, type,“ opponents ”. Amen.
  15. art266
    art266 6 September 2017 16: 50
    +1
    For those who were not on the 35th battery - a small virtual tour of the territory:
    http://virtual-sevastopol.ru/kazachka-krepost.htm
    l
  16. Ostromirov
    Ostromirov 6 September 2017 17: 13
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    Serg65!

    Almost the whole city spoke out against autoexotics. And what’s most interesting is the representatives, like, of the “museum”. But now the time has passed and some local "rockers" who jumped with guitars on autoexotics - EXACTLY, they also jumped into the cemetery on the 35th battery with the "INVITATION" by INVITATION the same employees. And with their breasts, nothing happened ...
  17. Serg65
    Serg65 7 September 2017 06: 48
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    Pancir026,
    laughing Those. did you convict me of a lie, claiming that there was no tragedy at the beginning of July of the 42 year on the western tip of the Heracles Peninsula? In your opinion, everything that is being said about this is pure fiction and pure Russophobia ????
    lol And after that you also advise me ..
    Quote: Pancir026
    Go and learn military history, but not by the publication of all salty and brook falcons

    bully However, my friend, however ....
  18. elenagromova
    elenagromova 8 September 2017 04: 40
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    The fact that the newlyweds lay flowers - this is normal. Moreover, it is good. It is also good that their behavior is monitored so that unworthy behavior is not allowed there.
    The performance, perhaps, is superfluous, but ... would it be better, having rejected all the elements of the patriotic education of young people, to arrange a forgotten quiet corner there, overgrown with weeds?
  19. Ostromirov
    Ostromirov 8 September 2017 11: 35
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    Serg65!

    True consists inm, that during the period from February to May 1942, when a positional war was fought in Sevastopol, trams ran in the city, a cent was swept, garbage bins were on the sidewalks, cinemas, schools, hairdressers, etc., and soldiers who arrived from positions worked into the city were struck by the sight of this peaceful life. Why? Because the Germans were busy near Kerch and Theodosius.

    And now - focus.
    And at this time, according to German reports, only in the strip of one 22nd Infantry Division of the 54th Corps - this is the North Side - they received an average of 7-10 defectors in dhey. Count the figure for all parts of the Wehrmacht on the approaches to Sevastopol in general.
    And answer the question - only honestly - ONLY can one of October be charged with treason and betrayal?
    Is it only because of some generals that the Red Army has reached Moscow?
    And in ALL trenches - ALL were only heroes?
    But you don’t want the truth - even if you are angry and insulting.

    Especially, decreased Oktyabrsky - from your own words - by RESOLUTION, and not arbitrarily deserted.
    About the REVIEW, and not unauthorized withdrawal from the position of the command staff - your words.

    I'll tell you more, some commanders did NOT KNOW at all that they were being withdrawn for evacuation and did not leave any orders, being sure that after the meeting they would return back to the units.

    If you want to tryit is OBJECTIVELY to comprehend the situation as a whole over the period of the entire defense of the city, which is the basis of what happened in June-July 1942, and not to accept the point of view of ONLY those people who believe that they were DROPPED, which they have the right to think so.

    But those have the rightwho executed the order and gave it, proceeding from - PROBABLY - other motivations.
  20. super.ufu
    super.ufu 9 September 2017 16: 24
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    I propose in the image of the RVIO to brand a shame and call everyone a traitor!
    or immediately denounce dash.

    World War II and the laying of flowers at the eternal lights. This is wonderful - this is the connection of generations, this is a tribute of thanks for a peaceful sky under which you can create happy families. But we do not know the cities of Russia in which newlyweds visit cemeteries on their bright holiday, and the directors of the cemeteries serve them.

    most of these eternal lights ... at memorials, which are graves, that is, most actually visit cemeteries!

    Here, marines lined up along the necropolis, on this solemn day of graduation from the school, the guys take the oath to the Motherland ... in the cemetery

    what a nightmare!

    "Oscar Von Boddin <...> died in Yevpatoria in January 1942 while repelling the Red Army amphibious assault"
    Here we have to regret Oscar, probably?

    should they? does it follow from the text, or does the author so want?

    . Museum workers even hung these posters symbolically, in the form of a swastika.

    Doctor, what kind of pictures are you showing me? (c)
    but seriously, what kind of crime is it, to show portraits of fascists in the form of a swastika?
    When the indignation from the enthusiastic description of the life of nonhumans from the Wehrmacht calmed down a bit,

    4 times re-read, not a single enthusiasm met

    The only mention of such a tunnel and General Zinger was found in the book

    miracles, and in 2 minutes I googled about this Ziegler all the ins and outs.

    Heinz Ziegler (May 19, 1894 - August 21, 1972) was a German general in the Wehrmacht of Nazi Germany during World War II acting commander of the 5th Panzer Army and commander of the 14th Army. He was a recipient of the Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross.


    despite the fact that I always treated all these concerts on bones in the style of a small town DC as complete, I cannot but note the nervousness of the opponents of such dances on bones.
    or even the hysteria of such here Pravorubic articles
    1. free
      free 9 September 2017 17: 16
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      site confused?
      1. super.ufu
        super.ufu 9 September 2017 19: 12
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        here, deserve it!
  21. free
    free 9 September 2017 17: 02
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    That scum, in general, the jackals smelled of fear. Is it our own Crimea? Or not really? Although it is not surprising that the titular nation is being decomposed as they can, why are the competent authorities not fighting this? Are these people at the same time?
  22. free
    free 9 September 2017 17: 26
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    That would be a collective letter from VO to write in the UK there is good material, VO needs to grow!