Innovative MGT can replace the "motolega" in the Russian army

The main “workhorse” of the Russian army is the multipurpose floating light armored MT-LB transporter-tractor, which was put into service in the 1964 year, leads Messenger of Mordovia article by military expert Alexei Khlopotov.

The machine was developed in Ukraine in the design bureau of the Kharkov Tractor Plant, where it was produced for many years.

“It is interesting that the MT-LB was adopted almost simultaneously with the Kharkov a tank T-64 However, unlike the promoted “64-ki”, the “motoliga” became a real hit. Replacing it was very difficult. It is difficult to such an extent that after the Union collapsed, its production had to be recreated and deployed already on the territory of the Russian Federation - in Murom and Rubtsovsk, ”the material says.

Then there was talk of creating a replacement. Closest to the success of multi-purpose tracked transporter MGT, developed by LLC "Special projects of mechanical engineering" (Moscow).

The developer’s website states the following:

“The company is working to create a multi-purpose tracked carrier (MGT) fully adapted for use in the extreme conditions of the Arctic. At present, the stage of calculations and mathematical modeling of the machine has been completed.

MGT is an innovative machine in which are implemented:

- hybrid power plant (GEM);
- Electromechanical transmission (EMT);
- intellectual complex of onboard equipment and control system;
- possibility of remote control;
- rubber caterpillar.

The key components of EMT and GEM (traction electric motors DVIT-110, traction generator GWIT-210, control system) were developed by LLC "Special Mechanical Engineering Projects". In MGT there are no knots and units of foreign production. Analogues of MGT in Russia does not exist.

Specifications:

- Mass in working condition, 12 000 kg.
- Maximum load capacity, 4 000 kg.
- Maximum trailer weight, 6 500 kg
- Number of seats with driver, total 18

Dimensions:
- length, 7 210 mm;
- width, 2 850 mm;
- height, 2 235 mm;
- gauge, 2 500 mm;
- base, 4 445 mm.

Ground clearance, 400 mm.

Travel speed: maximum over land - 65 km / h, maximum afloat - 5 km / h.

The maximum lift angle is 35 °, the maximum roll angle is 25 °.

YaMZ-536 engine, ground pressure - 0,485 kgf / cm2.

Individual suspension, torsion bar with hydraulic shock absorbers mounted on the front and rear track rollers. "

Comments

[VAZ2106]

very interesting development, but what will be its resource? in general, it is generally seen that the country's defense began to pay significantly more attention to the country's defense

[St Petrov]

that the country's defense authorities began to pay much more attention

since 2008. For almost 10 years, money has been pumped into the army. None of the actors who wrote here - that after the election, Putin will return the salaries of the military to the previous level - he did not write that he was a clown and supposedly everything happened the other way around

but about the base in Ulyanovsk, how many patriots vests vomited here - Putin was accused of treason

in general, the feeling that there have only become more of these over time. They smeared with honey

[LSA57]

However, unlike the promoted “64-ki”, the “motoliga” became a real hit. Replacing it was very difficult.

well, what can you say, they could make masterpieces in the USSR

[Vladimir16]

Coat of arms of the USSR hanging instead of an icon? Do not break your forehead.
Our fathers and grandfathers did all this. Why don't prayers of the USSR write about this? And this country is ours for a thousand years. Although you name the USSR, you want the Russian Empire or Russia.
PEOPLE have done this technique, and continue to do it. And .... the bols continue to chat, and groan about the USSR.

[owl]

Quote: Vladimir16

Coat of arms of the USSR hanging instead of an icon?

Why "INSTEAD" ?? Yes, and it would not hurt to hang up, however, if people like you are naughty from this, then he does his job!

Quote: Vladimir16

Our fathers and grandfathers did all this. Why do not write about it

We write: We did it all our fathers and grandfathers under the Soviet system and only with it and no longer

[xXx__SET__xXx]

You know, and our ugly freaks are dumb and those who are in power want an example, please, and so number 1
car tiger
cool machine isn't it shit shit
1 the first models came with American engines that they bought from a potential enemy cool yes
2 the chassis is overloaded, I want a lot, but brains do not allow it, and pride does not allow us to look at the Soviet dark past
3 Well, we wanted our own Hamer well and, moreover, got with all the sores

4 Well, if you needed an armored car, they would have taken this tried-and-tested proven model, but nezhe this is the USSR
and we have a lot of such freaks
armata
btr 82
bmp3 and so on

[alexmach]

Whether you like it or not, but in the Soviet period there was a jump in development unprecedented for our people and society. The most outstanding in 1000 years. Fathers and grandfathers made technological advances, including because they lived under the system associated with this.

[xXx__SET__xXx]

what is true is truth and neither is uncontroversial as well as about a man with a plow and a vigorous loaf

[Altona]

Let them collect and test, so far we only see the picture from the working monitor.

[From the Nile to the Euphrates]

No windows visible.

[Nasrat]

Quote: From the Nile to the Euphrates

No windows visible.

Is MLTB visible?

[From the Nile to the Euphrates]

I don’t know how to look where to go

[Nasrat]

Quote: From the Nile to the Euphrates

I don’t know how to look where to go

By instruments ...


And the “passengers” do not even need to know where they are taking them; the main thing is warm!

[From the Nile to the Euphrates]

Clear. cool

[Tarasios]

The first photo recalled the story. I served urgently in the "forest" part, 20 kilometers from the nearest town. Accordingly, official vehicles are in a state of "anyhow." For example, the headlights of the UAZ-469 on duty did not work. But summer, it gets dark late, no one paid attention. Or maybe - and there was no money, just the 91st year was going. Well, as I hear it - an officer alone (I don’t remember the rank already) talks about his trip to the city yesterday, he swears and smokes a cigarette after a cigarette)). Further - from his words:
Spun around in the city when we left "home", in part - it was already good to get dark. Summer, hot, the car goes without an awning, the breeze blows - a blunder. The driver was Uzbek Timur (a cheerful, smiling guy, all kinds of stories always happened to him :)). Gassing, in a hurry. And in general it got dark, the road is almost invisible. I think it’s good that Timur is big-eyed, I don’t see anything at all (and the speed is very decent). I looked at Timur - and I understand that something is wrong: instead of looking at the road, he lifted his face and stupidly looks into the sky. At speed ...
How did this sound later from the words of Timur himself. We are driving along a forest road, trees left to right — black walls. And only the sky above the road lighter strip ... So I taxied on it ...))

[LSA57]

Quote: Tarasios

Well, somehow I hear - an officer alone (I don’t remember the rank) talks about his trip to the city yesterday,

Quote: Tarasios

We are driving along a forest road, trees left to right — black walls. And only the sky above the road lighter strip ... So I taxied on it ...))

not every navigator will guess))))

[Tarasios]

yeah) Oh, how many years have passed, and more than once then I remembered this "life hack" when he himself was driving))

[ghby]

Quote: Tarasios

We are driving along a forest road, trees left to right — black walls. And only the sky above the road lighter strip ... So I taxied on it ...))

On the taiga river, the boat also went at night. )))

[Tarasios]

Well, on the river - it’s dumb, in theory ... Suddenly where it’s shallow, or moss ... With overclocking the bottom on a log, it will not seem a little ...

[Sergey086]

One damn thing you can’t hear the nifig from the roar .... even if you run into something

[Großer feldherr]

This is a completely “hard-wired” option, on most motorcycle levers there are still full frontal and side windows, the tank itself is cardboard and there are no strict restrictions on booking, but the review will not be superfluous.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: From the Nile to the Euphrates

No windows visible.

And still there is no balcony, what would be where to go to smoke ...

[newcomer]

I didn’t understand: in the first picture there is a MGT with seven road wheels, in the next five (?). Well, it’s not important, we won’t quarter the artist. . the car is really needed. God, will pass the test and go to the sun.

[Tarasios]

It seems that the whole block was cut out, along with the number 9. There was number 952, it became 52)))

[newcomer]

damn it for sure. yes, in business. unforgivable mistakes for our VO.

[Amurets]

Quote: newbie

I didn’t understand: in the first picture there is a MGT with seven road wheels, in the next five (?). Well, it’s not important, we won’t quarter the artist.

What is incomprehensible here? This is Wishlist and an attempt to get money for the project.

[newcomer]

no no. Listen, wishes, Wishlist, projects_ everything is clear. but a chassis with seven track rollers and five_ is just a huge technical difference.

[Amurets]

Quote: newbie

but a chassis with seven track rollers and five_ is just a huge technical difference.

There isn’t much difference, only the difference in the length of the armored hull and the load on the ground and Captain Pushkin is right "But is it nothing that these are two different conveyors, one-link and two-link?"
For the rest of the equipment, except for the YaMZ-536 engine, I did not find anything. So, a draft design.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: newbie

I didn’t understand: in the first drawing, the MGT with seven track rollers, in the next five (?).

But is it nothing that these are two different conveyors, one-link and two-link?

[newcomer]

there is nothing. so which of them are we discussing?

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: newbie

so which of them are we discussing?

Here, like on a capercaillie current-each about his own.

[xXx__SET__xXx]

but why if there is already a loot again to cut the guys with the current financing, only modernization and no longer pull if earlier when the new machine was introduced, it was meant to replace FULL old machines and not as with valves manufacturing 100 cars in the USSR 34 years old from laughter, they would only tear 1 corps to the country it should be a shame instead of being choked with pride it’s not clear why

[Tarasios]

Here they get to the root of these market-bugs with new-fangled terms and phrases, to the place and not really. We read the title of the article: "Innovative MGT can replace ...". We are looking for the meaning of the word "innovative": "Innovation, innovation is an implemented innovation that ensures a qualitative increase in the efficiency of processes or products." The key value here is “innovation introduced” (!). Although the article itself clearly states that this MGT is only in the development process, and so far purely in the virtual stage - modeling and mathematics. Well, such a concept was used by the "left" journalist, far from the topic. But how can an article be authored by a whole "military expert", and is posted in a serious thematic resource.

[LSA57]

Quote: Tarasios

But how can an article be authored by a whole "military expert", and is posted in a serious thematic resource.

you can’t say better

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Tarasios

"Innovation, innovation is an implemented innovation that ensures a qualitative increase in the efficiency of processes or products"

What confuses you? The innovation is implemented in the design of the conveyor. And it doesn’t matter that there is no conveyor yet, but the design has already been developed (even in a draft form, but developed).
What confuses me in this story is something else. Army mass conveyor should be simple, reliable, maintainable and cheap. The proposed designs clearly do not meet these requirements.

[Tarasios]

It is embarrassing that one can start talking about a "qualitative growth of characteristics" only after at least some realizations in practice, in hardware, so to speak. Because now everyone promises everything, in words, in order to receive financing. And the timing and the actual production are already sideways.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Tarasios

It is embarrassing that one can start talking about a "qualitative growth of characteristics" only after at least some realizations in practice, in hardware, so to speak.

For starters, it would be nice to know with which performance characteristics the military wants to see this conveyor. Prior to this, all discussions are blah blah blah. I am sure of one thing, the proposed concept can suit the military only on articulated transporters of the Arctic version. He is no longer suitable for anything - he is not a military man for show-offs and endless repairs, but for towing and transporting goods and personnel.

[gukoyan]

MTLB is immortal, a great machine.

[san4es]

Quote: gukoyan

MTLB is immortal, a great machine.

... and being modernized

[Engineer]

MT-LB became a hit because it was built on tractor units, serially mastered, used, mass, simple and cheap. And what is this miracle - unparalleled in the world? Why such an exotic transmission? Why such difficulties? So that every detail was worth its weight in gold, and the price of the car became commensurate with Armata? Tests and refinement of such a machine will stretch for years and we will get a completely different result, as was the case with the AK-12.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Engineer

MT-LB became a hit because it was built on tractor units, serially mastered, used, mass, simple and cheap.

What kind?
Take, for example, an engine. At the time of the beginning of work on MT-L and MT-LB, it had no relation to tractors, and was the latest development of the Yaroslavl population of three years.

[xXx__SET__xXx]

the latest development of Yaroslavl 3 years old NU-NU
a complete worked-out and furious production line, now it will take at least 5 -10 years, and then, as in the anecdote about the zapshivets
beeps from Porsche and the rest Cossack

[Leeder]

I don't like the word hybrid in a power plant. Military equipment in the first place should be reliable and easy to operate. Everything else is secondary. Especially regarding non-military equipment. A hybrid power plant involves 2 types of engine. This is a weaning of useful volume and complications of service, and the price per unit will increase.

[Lopatov]

Quote: LeeDer

I don't like the word hybrid in a power plant.

This is because of the filth of the definition itself. Even machines with flywheels, in theory, are also "hybrids"

Here, only an electromechanical transmission tested by time and BelAZs was applied.

Quote: LeeDer

This is a weaning of useful volume and complications of service, and the price per unit will increase.

No, it’s rather simplification. Even in a simple MT-LB, between the engine and drive wheels there are a bunch of components and assemblies that are replaced by a simple generator, traction motors and electronic control devices for this economy.

[t7310]

hydraulics would be better tormented, and the fact that articulated is only a plus

[Lopatov]

Hydraulics is certainly better. However, it is more likely for civilian cars. Combat will burn with her like matches. No wonder it is used in military equipment only where it is impossible to do without it.

[t7310]

Combat will burn with her like matches

Well, to use a liquid that does not burn, I heard on a black eagle they planned hydraulics, for t90 ms hydraulics

[t7310]

Well, use a liquid that does not burn

then I thought there the armor sometimes burns, sometimes anything can burn there, so yes - everything is not so simple

[xXx__SET__xXx]

Well, as far as I remember, but even the Germans in World War II abandoned such power hybrids in view of low reliability, so why step on the rake again

[t7310]

scientific and technological progress does not stand still and today hydraulics is reliable enough since it is used for t90 ms

[san4es]

Multi-purpose tracked conveyor MGT. 3D modeling

[Msta]

MT-LB had a turret of circular rotation, armed with a 7,62 mm machine gun, for self-defense, but on the new model I don’t see something, which indicates a decrease in the machine’s defenses and crew protection, which is unacceptable. The new equipment should have weapons and protection better than the old, otherwise it makes no sense.

[Fatum Inc.]

You probably didn’t notice behind the hatches of the driver and the commander of the car there is a round plug in place where you can install the combat module.

[Msta]

If he will be there, then God forbid, and if this is another unarmed tin can, such as Shells, then put her designers in it and send it to the combat zone, where they will either grow wiser or bend. These need to be taught and best of all in their own skin.

[gray]

Quote: Nasr

Quote: From the Nile to the Euphrates

No windows visible.

Is MLTB visible?

Hi. This is MT-LBu if I do not confuse.Here is MT-LB.

[Normal ok]

At the end of the Union (1988g), I had MT-LBu - cool cars. Why come up with a bike?

[Chever]

In MGT there are no nodes and units of foreign production

But what about the YaMZ-536?

[Moore]

Quote: Chever

But what about the YaMZ-536?

Yaroslavl left the Russian Federation?

[xXx__SET__xXx]

Well, the development is interesting, but it’s not adapted to hostilities. In short, the loot is cut again when they start to think what new old you are upgrading to an acceptable level.