ASU is preparing to declare Russia "aggressor"

For more than three years, the Ukrainian authorities have called Russia an “aggressor”, but, as it turns out, they only now decided to officially give this “characteristic” to our country. On the preparation of the relevant bill, the deputy of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine reports Irina Lutsenko on the air of Poroshenko’s Fifth Channel. We are talking about the bill, which bears the name "On the reintegration of Donbass."

Attention is drawn to the statement of Ms. Lutsenko that this kind of bill, declaring Russia an “aggressor state”, was allegedly discussed with representatives of the countries of the so-called “Norman Four”, and allegedly supported the bill in Berlin and Paris. Was it supported by the fact that Russia is an “aggressor”?

I. Lutsenko on Ukrainian TV:

In the draft law on the reintegration of Donbass there is a direct reference to the 51 th article of the UN Charter regarding self-defense. This means that Ukraine has the right to defend itself. This again: not war but self defense. And this is to ensure that the International Monetary Fund gave us money, this is for investors.

After that, everything falls into place. It all comes down to wanting to get a “freebie.” Declaring at every corner that Ukraine is waging war, in Kiev is still officially afraid of this term as fire. After all, the martial law will automatically block the crediting channels of Ukraine, without which the authorities can be swept away. And the bill is not adopted at all in order to declare Russia an “aggressor”, but in order to once again draw attention to itself in order to receive loans from foreign “partners”.

Comments

[volodya]

Well, then you want money!

[cniza]

After that, everything falls into place. Everything again comes down to the pity of getting a "freebie."

He sells "goods" for which the West is in great demand, but the situation is no longer in his favor.

[Cutter]

Here is "... not war, but self-defense ...". What difference does it make to hell ??? If Russia is an aggressor, attacked you, then this is a war! As soon as they do not wriggle so that the pacifier is not torn off !!!

[bouncyhunter]

Sasha, Victor - welcome!

ASU is preparing to declare Russia "aggressor"

Soap opera "Raquel, are you an offspring?" 185th series ...

[Monos]

Good morning, Pasha!

And this is for the International Monetary Fund to give us funds, this is for investors.

Just for a miserable look and a rumpled jacket of a pig, money stopped giving. Pans decided to launch the last argument, but somehow so bashfully: they will call the "achressor", but they will not declare war. The revolutionaries of the "revolution of dignity" saw the bottom of the feeder.

[bouncyhunter]

Hi Victor!

Quote: Monos

they will call the "achressor", but they will not declare war.

They will wait for Russia to declare war on Ukraine.

[Lelek]

Quote: bouncyhunter

They will wait for Russia to declare war on Ukraine

Hi Paul.
Russia is not a fryer, it has its own methods and become:

[bouncyhunter]

Good day, Leo! Well, let's see how this forum ends. If it happens at all, to which Piglet and his gang will obviously actively oppose.

[Lord of the Sith]

Hello, it’s always so designed for you, it's time to start your own LJ page or website)

[Lelek]

Quote: Sith Lord

Lord of the Sith

, Sergei.
What are you talking about?

[Lord of the Sith]

Well, you post screenshots with articles.

[Lelek]

Quote: Sith Lord

Well, you post screenshots with articles.

Not for profit, but in support of what I said for. But whoever doesn’t want to, doesn’t read. No offense and claims.

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: bouncyhunter

They will wait for Russia to declare war on Ukraine

It was precisely on this occasion that Medvedchuk’s conversation with GDP took place the other day.
It seems to me that the Special Representative Petsy was popularly told “on the fingers” (and “horses” do not understand differently) - what “personal sanctions” will be announced by Kozhugetovich to each of the especially zealous “self-defenders”, with specific performance characteristics of “near and medium” sanctions range.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: stalkerwalker

It was precisely on this occasion that Medvedchuk’s conversation with GDP took place the other day.

And before that, 25 years old, what were they talking about? Probably about how many hectares in Crimea, and what size the palace is, and will a helicopter land there?
And then, when the palace near Kuev was taken away from “Mr. Medvedchuk”, then in the Carpathians, the Crimean palace took over Kum Putin, heh, didn’t “polite people” appear there.
Raven crow .... and then relatives on the gang ...
And most importantly, no one knew about the state of affairs in the outskirts? or maybe they arranged everything on purpose?
By the way, weighed the weight! acre of the people!

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: Stroporez

And before that, for 25 years, what were they talking about?

Medvedchuk - this is the figure that can convey to Pets exactly what he was told. No noise and dust. So to say, "The Messenger of Pisa."

[Sling cutter]

Quote: stalkerwalker

Medvedchuk - this is the figure that can convey to Pets exactly what he was told. No noise and dust. So to say, "The Messenger of Pisa."

Yeah! [B] [/ b]
But to Prikravchuk, Yushchenko, Yanukovych, did he type nothing? The one who carried did not bring anything ???
Colleague be in the mind!
Kum Kumu, didn’t suddenly tell about the situation in Unraine?
If it’s completely dark for you, google Duc! until the Internet was chopped off

[Cutter]

Pasha, Victor, my respect! Probably they have this genetic - a freebie, they will sell their mother, if only they would give money!

[cniza]

Pasha, good morning! "song" continues and they will twist it while it brings money.

[bouncyhunter]

Mutually! It will be so. Begging is more familiar to them than doing something.

[cniza]

The main beater is not even very poor, and the people - I’d better keep silent.

[bouncyhunter]

It has been correctly noticed more than once: appetite comes with eating. Little Petruhe money ...

[Cutter]

Quote: cniza

The main beater is not even very poor, and the people - I’d better keep silent.

Victor, welcome! And to the main beggar people "to the bulb", it is interesting, in Ukraine there is still something left for sale, or just idle talk ???

[LSA57]

Quote: Cutter

interestingly, there is still something left for sale in Ukraine,

there is. and will soon start selling. Chernozem. during the German occupation of the outskirts, they exported it by echelons. and Klitschko spoke about the sale immediately after the Maidan

[Lelek]

Quote: Cutter

Interestingly, in Ukraine there is still something left for sale, or just chatter?

Hello Alexander.
And the Poles have already divided Nenko herself in a living way. So the auction is in full swing.

[Monos]

Greetings, Alexander!

Quote: Cutter

Probably they have this genetic - a freebie, they will sell their mother, if only they would give money!

Strongly disagree with the word "probably."

[svp67]

Quote: bouncyhunter

ASU is preparing to declare Russia "aggressor"
Soap opera "Raquel, are you an offspring?" 185th series ...

Unfortunately no. We are half a step away from the war with Ukraine

[bouncyhunter]

Do you think they dare to declare war on Russia?

[svp67]

Quote: bouncyhunter

Do you think they dare to declare war on Russia?

I think yes. After all, it is NOT THEY who decide

[bouncyhunter]

God grant that your pessimism is not justified. And it will become from the mattresses: they like to do the dirty tricks of Russia with the wrong hands. Yes, and his own - too.

[svp67]

Quote: bouncyhunter

God grant that your pessimism is not justified.

I myself do not want, for so many reasons. But everything is systematically moving towards this ... Alas

[bouncyhunter]

Nothing good will come of an open confrontation, especially for Ukraine.

[svp67]

Quote: bouncyhunter

Nothing good will come of an open confrontation, especially for Ukraine.

For us, too, it will be VERY BAD ... The USA will do everything to isolate us for sure ... But for Ukraine it is not so simple. Here is the answer to the question. Ukraine has HUGE DEBTS and from next year it needs to pay it. And then she gets involved in the war in dreams ... will there then be a conversation about some kind of payments? And the second question, if Ukraine loses this war, who will have to pay this debt for it?

[Lelek]

Quote: svp67

I think yes. After all, it is NOT THEY who decide

Well, it’s unlikely - the whole of Europe (and not only) will blaze, and it’s not easy for a fat little Herr and Muss. But the "tricks" in \ on the Ruin will continue, both politically, economically and militarily. And it’s not difficult, having such vile dolls like this:

[LSA57]

Quote: bouncyhunter

Do you think they dare to declare war on Russia?

it never will be. it is a suicide outskirts. one on one with Russia they can not hold out for a month

[svp67]

Quote: LSA57

one on one with Russia they can not hold out for a month

And you didn’t ask yourself a question that maybe they don’t need more ... They will go abroad, they will create a government in exile, they will press us for “another act of aggression” not “childishly”. The new Ukraine will have HOW to resolve issues with a MULTI-BILLION debt ... And all this will hang on us ...
And Europe does not need this war, but the United States is quite happy with it.

[LSA57]

Quote: svp67

And you did not ask yourself the question, what more can they do and do not need ...

and remembered Georgia 8.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX. peace enforcement

Quote: svp67

us for the "next act of aggression" will no longer be pressed "childishly."

much stronger ???

Quote: svp67

New Ukraine will have to HOW to resolve issues with a MULTI-BILLION debt ...

and there will be no new

[bouncyhunter]

Quote: svp67

Here is the answer to the question. Ukraine has HUGE DEBTS and from next year it needs to pay it. And then she gets involved in the war in dreams ... will there then be a conversation about some kind of payments? And the second question, if Ukraine loses this war, who will have to pay this debt for it?

The right words. At VO, the idea has repeatedly been expressed that Ukraine will declare war on Russia and quickly lose it, and Russia, as a winner, will pay its debts. And the mattresses will be satisfied.

[LSA57]

Quote: bouncyhunter

Ukraine will declare war on Russia and quickly lose it

and now they are considering another option

[Hoc vince]

It is interesting how the United States would act if such a presentation were announced to them.

[svp67]

Quote: Hoc vince

It is interesting how the United States would act if such a presentation were announced to them.

They would continue this LIST ...

[LSA57]

Quote: Cutter

If Russia is an aggressor, attacked you,

so it’s necessary to prove it, documented. and nobody wants to take the word petruchio for a word, he is tired of everyone and his under-state

[IGOR GORDEEV]

Quote: Megatron

When will ours introduce a complete blockade of Ukrainian? A lot of other goods are coming to us. Visa regime, trips to the Russian Federation - ONLY the turn of the Donbass!

To completely break the last strings connecting both countries? So this is what the Ukrainian authorities want.

[weksha50]

Quote: Megatron

Visa regime, trips to the Russian Federation - ONLY the turn of the Donbass!

You need to start from the Crimea ...

[Paranoid50]

Quote: volodya

Well, then you want money!

Now they are no longer encrypted, they are cheating in plain text. Well pinched. Recalled the theme of five years ago in St. Petersburg, when local marginals, without saying a word, stopped knocking down money for “bread, a road, a funeral,” etc., and made an “open visor”:

[Observer2014]

So let's help Ukraine with loans. And we will declare war on it. There are enough problems for the tonsils. And besides, declaring war does not mean conducting military operations.

[IGOR GORDEEV]

Quote: Observer2014

And besides, the declaration of war does not mean the conduct of hostilities.

But the likelihood of falling of some kind of “meteorites” or “space debris” in the right places of the capital city may sharply increase.

[Wedmak]

And we will declare war on it. There are enough problems for tonsils.

How do you imagine that? In order not to become an aggressor, as the bourgeois want, we will not invade the territory of Ukraine. Put your troops on the border. And declare war. AND? What's next?
These abnormal national battalions will drive a dozen howitzers to the border and will fire at us, simultaneously accusing us of aggression. If we answer, having razed them to the ground, then immediately all the Western media will complain about the invasion. And then there will already be an occasion to impose sanctions, and bans, and the deployment of their troops in Europe, the transfer of equipment. In short, another war was unleashed.

[HUMANOID]

Classics must be taught, dear, I.A. Krylov - "The Wolf and the Lamb"

[weksha50]

Quote: Observer2014

So let's help Ukraine with loans.

Duc ... Helped already ... And now the debtors, instead of giving away, are suing for suit against the creditor (Russia) ...

[Flinky]

Do not care.

[Masya masya]

And this is for the International Monetary Fund to give us funds,

they don’t want to give a denyuzhku ... they must somehow dodge ...

[Evil543]

In order to give money, they increased the Mudis rating.

[rotmistr60]

allegedly in Berlin and Paris the bill has already been supported

As always, Ukrainian politicians run ahead of the steam locomotive and, which is characteristically faster than it (the locomotive).

not war, but self-defense. And this is for the International Monetary Fund to give us funds

Again they decided that they were the most cunning, and the rest went for a walk. Oh, this freebie. It is strange that they still give loans. Probably not all of Ukraine has been sold, something remains.

[Wedmak]

Probably not all of Ukraine has been sold, something remains.

Well, the NATO base is already being deployed. So that it was more convenient to take out what was left.

[Funnels]

They claim that this is their base, and the Americans work with them as guest workers.

[sgr291158]

In general, it comes down to the fact that we will do everything you tell us, but just give more money. How they got used to a freebie.

[mikh-korsakov]

It’s strange that it took so long. For 3 years now, from all the irons it has been heard - "Russia is an aggressor country," but it turns out that this was all illegal. Only now we are becoming, as it were, "an aggressor-in-law country." The guys are completely unbelted. The peace-loving gestures of the Russian Federation did not benefit them.

[mikh-korsakov]

I quote: "the bill with the declaration of Russia as an “aggressor state” was allegedly discussed with representatives of the countries of the so-called “Norman Four”"I didn’t understand. For some reason, I thought that Russia was one of the four. Does this mean that the question of the" aggressor "was discussed from Russia. So Russia has designated itself as the aggressor? Everything here is somehow muddy.

[afrikanez]

It is strange how the state can be declared an "aggressor" if there are no reports of the outbreak of war. So you can call anyone an aggressor, for the states this is suitable first of all, as well as possible.

[Langf]

Well, what’s the normal “evolutionary” chain of a body hated by hatred: self-defense, self-defense, self-satisfaction, and, as the final phase of all this one-sided masochism, is self-destruction, that is, demonstrative suicide. The classic contradiction of the brain with reality.

[Lena Petrova]

It’s very easy to take, especially if you don’t think then to give anything back, or someone else will give.

[demo]

But there is nothing surprising in this.
Russian civilization, the Russian character took shape over many centuries.
And one of the most important factors was war.
Here is a short summary of Russia, the Moscow kingdom and the Russian Empire.

The Russian people are peaceful, they do not tolerate war in Russia. This is known to anyone who is even a little familiar with the spiritual appearance of a Russian person. The past of our people is convinced of this, knowing neither knighthood, nor Landsknechts, nor the condottieres, who led mercenary troops on all kinds of adventures. And yet, despite the natural peacefulness, the Russian people had to fight endlessly.

From 1055 to 1462, the historian S. Soloviev There are 245 reports of invasions of Russia and external clashes, with two hundred of them occurring in 1240-1462, that is, about one almost every year.


In the future, from the XIV century - wrote in 1894 a connoisseur of Russian military history, General Sukhotin N.N. (the book "War in the history of the Russian world") - to this day, for 525 years, Russia spent another 305 years in wars, that is, almost two-thirds of its life (see also the section Russian military commanders).

Well, what kind of peacefulness can we talk about?
But honestly, I'm proud of it.

[Serg65]

from the photo in the article I rephrase a little the old Soviet joke:
-As a politician, Poroshenko doesn’t (in the original, another word, but the gentle souls of moderators will not miss), but how does the infection kiss !!!!!!!

[Slovak]

From the news feed: ... "The representative of the Ukrainian leader Petro Poroshenko in the Verkhovna Rada - Irina Lutsenko - said that the recognition at the legislative level of Russia as an" aggressor country "does not mean that Kiev is declaring war on Moscow.
“This does not mean that we declare war on Russia, that we are at war, no,” Lutsenko said, adding that “Ukraine has the right to defend itself.
"This is once again - not a war, but self-defense", - Irina Lutsenko commented on the draft law being prepared. "...
Want and prick? Uncle Sam ordered to bark, and bite scary ...

[weksha50]

"After that, everything falls into place"...

Well, yes ... Anti-Sovietization, hatred of Russia, and NATO bases in Ukraine, and so on, and so on, and so on, are justified ...
The regime reached the handle ... there is no turning back ... But mad dogs, like driven horses, are shot ... Who will do this is a matter of tomorrow ...

[Alexander Abdrakhmanov]

It is clear that the killer of his people should take off his guilt and blame everything on Russia. Clearly he will be supported by those who are no better than him, who sponsor this war with dirty money. He and Petya earn money there in that war. Why should people pay their money when they can kill their own, and even make money on it.

[mamont5]

I’m lying, and there’s nothing more to say.

[Vadimsh]

verbiage or fornication for the sake of a word

[LSA57]

Quote: Tolstoevsky

in response, the State Duma is simply obliged to officially call Ukraine a “prostitute country”

can be different

[Seraphimamur]

And what kind of photograph? Is this a meeting of the blues?

[besleney59.]

there is an agreement on friendship., cooperation, partnership between the Russian Federation and Ukraine .. so-called. The big agreement. According to Article 40, Russia has every right (and in the current situation, it is obliged!) To officially warn Kiev about the termination of its action ... The agreement is dated 31.05.1997/1.05.1999/10, entered into force on XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX ... the validity period is XNUMX years renews automatically ... it's time to act.

[Herman 4223]

That is, they are at the legislative level, confirm that we are in a state of war? If this is true, then this war must be ended more quickly, and ended with Ukraine as an international entity in principle.

[Berkut24]

ASU is preparing to declare Russia "aggressor"

Well, the name of the ASU itself already says a lot ...
But in general, how will they later explain that they are trading with the already official aggressor and go to him to warm the fifth point under the Crimean sun?

[stalkerwalker]

svp67,

Quote: svp67

the second question is, if Ukraine loses this war, who will have to pay this debt for it?

And most importantly - "Who will feed this horde of lazy and hungry horses"?

[APASUS]

ASU is preparing to declare Russia "aggressor"

Autumn concert season is open! Recognize Russia as an aggressor and lend her some money!

VEB increased the capital of Ukrainian Prominvestbank by 23,5 billion rubles

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: APASUS

VEB increased the capital of Ukrainian Prominvestbank by 23,5 billion rubles

Have you already given up?

[1536]

And the fact that Ukraine has an epidemic of tuberculosis, the local form of which the local Aesculapius decided to treat on an outpatient basis, does it bother anyone? It’s time for the Russian State Duma to declare Ukraine a disaster territory (like Chernobyl), close our borders, put medical cordons on them to check people trying to get to Russia, to get the UN and WHO to send teams of doctors for vaccination, so that established real external control over this country. Until it's not too late. This is not paranoia, and not the cry of the soul. This is reality.