Israel has signed a contract to supply more F-17 fighter 35

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By the end of 2024, the Israel Air Force will have X-NUMX F-50 aircraft. According to the portal israeldefense.co.ilThe Israeli delegation, which arrived in the US, has signed a contract for the supply of 17 American stealth fighters to Israel.

The first contract for the supply of F-35 fighter jets to Israel was signed in 2010, and four years later, the Israeli military increased the request to 33 units. In November last year, the Israeli Ministerial Security Commission approved the purchase of an additional batch of 17 aircraft, and yesterday the contract was formalized, reports "Warspot".



Israel has signed a contract to supply more F-17 fighter 35

Israel Air Force F-35I Adir Fighter

Airplanes of the first batch cost Israel $ 125 million per unit, the second - $ 110 million, fighters of the third batch will cost the IDF less than $ 100 million each. To date, five F-35А aircraft have been delivered to Israel, here referred to as F-35I Adir. By the 2021 year, it is planned to complete the delivery of fighters of the first and second batches (33 units), and by 2024, the number of them in the Israeli Air Force should grow to 50 (this will complete the two fighter squadrons). At the same time, the military department is considering the possibility of additional purchases of stealth fighters, including in the modification F-35B.

Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II - a family of fifth-generation fighter-bombers. The aircraft are available in three versions: F-35A (base model), F-35B (with short takeoff and vertical landing) and F-35C (takes off from an aircraft carrier using a catapult, sits down using an arresting machine). In addition to the United States, Australia, Great Britain, Denmark, Italy, Canada, the Netherlands, Norway and Turkey are taking part in the aircraft development program. In addition, the F-35 purchased by the Air Force of Israel and Japan.
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  1. +8
    28 August 2017 14: 51
    Large wholesale is cheaper? smile
    1. +10
      28 August 2017 14: 53
      Israel has signed a contract to supply more F-17 fighter 35

      Big giraffe - he knows better.
      1. +28
        28 August 2017 14: 56
        Well done Jews. The country is small, and the opportunities are great. Someone is in the market, while someone is doing things.
        1. +14
          28 August 2017 14: 59
          Quote: Vladimir16
          Well done Jews. The country is small, and the opportunities are great. Someone is in the market, while someone is doing things.

          It's just that someone thinks for the security of the country and the combat effectiveness of the army, while someone fights with corrupt officials all the way and cuts the defense budget, and pushes back the deadlines for delivering products to the fleets and the army.
          1. +3
            28 August 2017 20: 36
            If you think about who to fight with Israel on the F-35? Destroy Hezbollah leaders in passenger cars - and there will be enough shock UAV. The T-60 tank in the Syrians and the F-16 will be bombed. They will not fly over Egypt anyway, until all the radars with cruise missiles are destroyed.
            On the other hand, Jews know how to count money, and they really cherish their pilots. In addition, receiving regular practice, they have the opportunity to evaluate real, not advertising TTX techniques. Looks like they’re actually going to fight with Iran.
            1. +6
              28 August 2017 21: 22
              There are many weapons in the region and everyone loves to abide by the agreement. Therefore, Israel must have a better army and better weapons.
              1. +4
                28 August 2017 22: 02
                I would say that not everyone likes to abide by the agreement.
          2. 0
            29 August 2017 07: 36
            therefore they don’t cut budgets because they fight corruption laughing
            or do you still think that money is just beautiful paper candy wrappers and you can print them as much as you like and buy as much as you want?
        2. +11
          28 August 2017 15: 21
          Quote: Vladimir16
          Well done Jews. The country is small, and the opportunities are great. Someone is in the market, while someone is doing things.
          Well, Jews can only be envied! After all, the contract of the Ministry of Defense of Russia for only 12 Su-57 aircraft is more likely an image-building one. And initially it was also 50 units, but in the financial sector the governments decided that it would be too greasy for the military.
          1. +3
            28 August 2017 15: 51
            It was indicated there until 2020. Then there will be other orders. Just until 2020, more than 12 will not have time to rivet.
          2. +5
            28 August 2017 15: 59
            but in the financial sector, governments decided it would be too greasy for the military

            If not mistaken, these 12 aircraft will be with the engines of the first stage. But the next ones, when they install the "30" product, will already order more. And all the same, in the coming years the Su-57 will be like an air special forces - few in quantity, but many in quality and capabilities.
            1. +5
              28 August 2017 21: 18
              Quote: Wedmak
              And all the same, in the coming years the Su-57 will be like air special forces - few in quantity, but many in quality and capabilities.

              My dear optimist, you look on the map for the size of Israel and Russia, and only then philosophize about the "air special forces" of 12 aircraft.
              1. +1
                29 August 2017 06: 32
                and then philosophize about the "air special forces" of 12 aircraft.

                Actually, I meant more. And with the engines of the second stage.
                And where does the size? The fact that if Russia sneezes-Israel will blow it away, everyone knows that. And neither the iron dome nor the titanium will help.
                But of course no one will sneeze.
                Israel generally sits on American money and, in fact, is like a pain in the ass in all the countries adjacent to it. Throughout its small history, it has failed, as a state, to establish friendly contacts with almost anyone. Only wars, provocations, scandals, provocative bombings of neighboring territories.
                You won’t wish such a neighbor.
          3. +5
            28 August 2017 16: 04
            Is it the Jews?
            The United States will provide military assistance to Israel in the total amount of 38 billion dollars, including 5 billion for missile defense ...
            ,
            ... Israelis receive $ 3,1 billion a year from the United States and seek a significant increase in aid to balance Iran’s capabilities ...

            And the cherry on the trot:
            ... o Israel will lose the opportunity to request from the United States additional amounts in excess of those provided for in the memorandum, and will also gradually abandon the right to use part of the assistance for purchases from our own military-industrial complex...

            What gentlemen Jews keep quiet about it. And then: "Well done Jews .., Jews can only be envied!"
            1. +8
              28 August 2017 16: 22
              Everything must be watched in proportion. Israel 8 with a small million people, an area of ​​50 × 400 km. Fighter aircraft 85 f15,330 f16 + 5 (50) fNUMX + combat experience. And compare. Well, with Turkey it’s understandable. About the rest in BV it’s even sadder.
              Compare at least with the Russian Federation with its considerable area .....
            2. +5
              28 August 2017 16: 23
              And so the help goes. But you well understand whose it is mainly merit .....
              1. +2
                28 August 2017 16: 51
                All this is an ordinary flood (proportions, area).
                You stupidly sucked in these f-35s and they blow all the media that Israel signed a contract, acquired ... And another 8 countries are forced to purchase this misunderstanding, because participate in this project. (dump grandmas in the US military-industrial complex)
                And f-35 is a purely commercial project! And as a combat unit for the 5th - FUFLO!
                For the US itself there is f-22
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                  1. +2
                    28 August 2017 17: 59
                    I did not say that he does not fly. And of course everything is classified there. Well, as usual. And about the interview: the link does not work, but I heard about it. This is not an argument. What does it look like? As in the cartoon about how the old man was selling a cow.
                    That cunning guy with the cartoon is the US military-industrial complex! laughing
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                2. +7
                  28 August 2017 17: 52
                  I give you the numbers and you tell me about the flood. Do you have to chew on the meaning of these numbers, or will you guess it yourself?
            3. +2
              28 August 2017 16: 28
              Is it Jewish
              Do you want help from the States? laughing
              1. +2
                28 August 2017 16: 42
                Dobi so this is irony. Although to whom am I explaining this? (for Dobi, the question is rhetorical lol )
              2. +3
                28 August 2017 16: 45
                And the cherry on the trot
                Duck needs to be understood by whom and what,
                in the 90s in Moscow they sang:
                We gave the Arabs money for a holy war
                and they just poured all this money into p ..
                1. +2
                  28 August 2017 17: 06
                  Just do not move off the topic. About the 90s, the topic is completely inappropriate.
                  1. +6
                    28 August 2017 17: 13
                    That's just do not move off the topic
                    Paaavtorayu for those who are closed in the submarine:
                    We gave the Arabs money for a holy war
                    and they just poured all this money into p ..
                    so this is irony. Although to whom am I explaining this?
                    And America gave money to Israel. and did not fail
                    1. +2
                      28 August 2017 17: 19
                      What am I talking about? Kanesh did not fail! laughing
                      America with this project is well welded on suckers! wassat
                      And more! laughing laughing laughing
                      1. +4
                        28 August 2017 17: 30
                        America with this project is well welded on suckers!
                        I have no doubt that this is your way of thinking, they haven’t been studied differently, but both in Israel and America, and you and they are not in the rich. How so?
                        I see for you it’s probably nice, everywhere is hectic, so for you I’ll add
                        laughing laughing laughing
                      2. +6
                        28 August 2017 21: 29
                        Quote: Siberia55
                        America with this project is well welded on suckers!

                        Lol, you can call the Jews suckers only, let’s say so softer, not very good. clever man laughing
                    2. +2
                      28 August 2017 17: 49
                      Yes, good luck, good luck with your f-35. Happiness to Israel. In what fat Israel will show time. I like to be suckers - a flag in your hands. You can drool further on f-35 and all better.
                      And specify. What is "everywhere bustling" and "what is pleasant" lol ?
                      1. +1
                        28 August 2017 18: 25
                        And specify. What is "everywhere bustling" and "what is pleasant"
                        And here: laughing laughing laughing
                      2. +1
                        28 August 2017 23: 47
                        I would not call the Israelis suckers. The Baltic republics and the like (which squander their production and army, hoping that the USA will help them in any war) - they are suckers. And Israel is strengthening its army, as yet, as I understand it, for other people's money, well, they somehow do not look like suckers. I heard from the edge of the eye that the Israelis want to localize the production of the F-35 more ...
            4. +11
              28 August 2017 17: 33
              The US Congress, as the only "credit manager", can, by its authority, without Israeli requests, give him any amount in the interests of "US national security", which he recently committed.
        3. 0
          28 August 2017 16: 31
          You can open your mouth wider for free.
        4. Maz
          +1
          28 August 2017 20: 50
          Nekhai is being bought, our chain dog in the BV should have good American fangs, and we will cut target designations to IDF pilots in full, let the gentlemen of the Jews plow our ideas
          1. +3
            29 August 2017 10: 49
            Quote: Maz
            our chain dog

            Do you also call your daughter who serves in the IDF?
      2. +19
        28 August 2017 14: 57
        Here is another proof of the success of the F-35. Jews - smart people and bad equipment will not buy.
        1. 0
          28 August 2017 15: 10
          It is still unknown how this technique will lead in battle! No one has tested it. request We had to take a few pieces and test, and then buy. fool
          1. +16
            28 August 2017 15: 49
            "It is still unknown how this technique will lead in battle"
            So you can say about any technique. At one time, the F-16 was in the same position. Nothing, weathered with brilliance. By the way, the Su-57 (or T-50, if you like) is not very seasoned in battle, to say the least. But no one pours mud at him (and they do it right, as I think). Technique is a technique, and you should not look at it through the prism of “our good, but someone else’s sucks”. History has repeatedly proved that this is a direct path to loss and defeat.
          2. +4
            28 August 2017 16: 29
            It is still unknown how this technique will lead in battle
            A C400? C300 C350
        2. +13
          28 August 2017 15: 24
          Quote: xetai9977
          Jews - smart people and bad equipment will not buy.

          I thought so too, until they made this order.
          1. +3
            28 August 2017 15: 54
            They will pay for this "order" at the expense of the United States! The budget of Israel will not smell these expenses) So, all the same, smart people)))
        3. 0
          28 August 2017 15: 52
          They are also good traders. Maybe they just share? :)
        4. +6
          28 August 2017 15: 59
          Jews seem to want to put their electronics on this technique. And finish, as in due time F-16.
          1. +9
            28 August 2017 16: 38
            As far as I understand, the process of integration of Israeli avionics and weapons has already been launched a long time ago. Now we are talking about running the Israeli prototype. And this excuse me jobs .... How do you like the reason for the contract?
    2. +8
      28 August 2017 14: 55
      Quote: Thrall
      Large wholesale is cheaper? smile

      It’s just that the first lots went along with the purchase of simulators and tuition fees for l / s, which of course increased the price.
      1. +4
        28 August 2017 14: 58
        50 pieces of F-35 Malov will be Israel for defense ...
        Is this a defensive aircraft?
        1. +4
          28 August 2017 15: 01
          Well, their neighbors love ...
          1. +10
            28 August 2017 16: 32
            Well, their neighbors love ...
            A tell us how your neighbors love you. Start from the Baltic states and down, by name.
        2. +1
          28 August 2017 15: 12
          Clearly, no!
        3. 0
          28 August 2017 16: 00
          Is this a defensive aircraft?

          Of course ... he will stand on the ground and shoot everything that flies in a radius of 500 km. wassat
        4. 0
          29 August 2017 21: 00
          Quote: Thrall
          50 pieces of F-35 Malov will be Israel for defense ...
          Is this a defensive aircraft?

          This is a type of station wagon that does everything, but very shitty.
  2. +3
    28 August 2017 14: 54
    and by 2024, their number in the Israeli Air Force should increase to 50 (this will allow to equip two fighter squadrons)

    By xnumx aircraft in squadron? Or maybe two regiments of the 25 squadron in each of the 2 planes + 12 aircraft of the regiment commander?
    1. +9
      28 August 2017 14: 59
      Quote: Lord of the Sith
      and by 2024, their number in the Israeli Air Force should increase to 50 (this will allow to equip two fighter squadrons)

      By xnumx aircraft in squadron? Or maybe two regiments of the 25 squadron in each of the 2 planes + 12 aircraft of the regiment commander?

      We have a squadron of 25 aircraft. Aircraft wing of 75 aircraft. An air base may include several air wings.
    2. +5
      28 August 2017 15: 03
      You're right. 12 in the squadron. By the end of this year will be formed
      first squadron (11 pieces)
      Initial operation capability (IOC) of the first squadron is expected to be announced by December 7, 2017
      1. +6
        28 August 2017 17: 37
        Quote: voyaka uh
        You are right. 12 in the squadron.

        Wrong. It is 25 in the squadron.
        1. +2
          28 August 2017 19: 57
          Squadron - isn't it a squadron?
          1. +1
            29 August 2017 07: 00
            Quote: voyaka uh
            Squadron - isn't it a squadron?

            Squadron. However, there will be 2 on 50 LA. Total not 12 in the squadron, but 24-25.
            http://www.nrg.co.il/online/1/ART2/892/346.html?h
            p = 1 & cat = 324
            משלחת הרכש של משרד הביטחון בארה''ב השלימה בסוף השבוע את העסקה לרכש 17 מטוסי אף- 35 '' אדיר '' מ שתי טייסות שלמות (50 מטוסים) עבור חיל האוויר הישראלי.
  3. +6
    28 August 2017 14: 55
    So a good plane. Jews will not take bad. It’s clear that everything is secret - but does the information reach you? In Israel, the people of half of Moscow, everyone knows everyone. Well, in comparison with the F-16. Is there really anyone in Israel in the neighborhood who knows?
    1. +2
      28 August 2017 14: 58
      Not only is it good, it is also invisible.
      1. 0
        28 August 2017 15: 19
        Oh well ... u! belay It would not hurt our check! wink wink
    2. +5
      28 August 2017 15: 07
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      So a good plane. Jews will not take bad. It’s clear that everything is secret - but does the information reach you? In Israel, the people of half of Moscow, everyone knows everyone. Well, in comparison with the F-16. Is there really anyone in Israel in the neighborhood who knows?

      The option to work in stealth is of course completely closed. But it has often been argued that the F-35 loses much in dogfight to fourth-generation cars. Although the test pilots denied this. As the demonstration of this machine, it becomes available for aviation enthusiasts.

      Fuel consumption without afterburner 0.61 kg / kgf * h, on afterburner 1.25 kg / kgf * h
      2.5 minutes / 0.042 h, maximum mode, 13062 kgf * 0.61 kg / kgf * h = 7968 kg / h * 0.042 h = 335 kg
      2.5 minutes / 0.042 h, afterburner, 19507 kgf * 1.25 kg / kgf * h = 24384 kg / h * 0.042 h = 1024 kg
      Fuel consumption 335 kg + 1024 kg = 1359 kg (3000 lb)
      Thus, the aircraft can be refueled no more than 4000 lb or 1814 kg
      Take-off weight 13290 kg (empty) + 1814 kg (fuel) + 100 kg (pilot) = 15204 kg
      Wing load 15204 kg: 42.74 m2 = 356 kg / m2
      Thrust-weight ratio 19507 kgf: 15204 kg = 1.28
      Mig-29 with a minimum turn time of 19 sec, weight 13000 kg, wing load 339.4 kg / m2, thrust-weight ratio 1.28.
      The wing load of the F-35 is slightly higher, the thrust-weight ratio is the same, 356 kg / m2: 339.4 kg / m2 = 1,0489 * 19 sec (turn time MiG-29) = 19.9 sec, which we observe.
      Conclusion: the radius of the bend F-35 at the level of MiG-29.

      Five-minute flight to La Bourget F-35, turn 4: 05 - 4: 25, 20 sec.
      1. +4
        28 August 2017 15: 41
        Even if for one second he agrees that the turn time there is comparable to 29 MiG, I think the level of this aircraft in Dogfight for 2017 is understandable. After all, the F35 for 100 million reached the level of turn 29 Miga 1982 for 20. Achievement which should be truly proud laughing .

        PS
        In fact, there is the level of maneuverability of 21-93 or 23 MLD MIGs somewhere. But these are trifles, the main thing there is a lot of electronics, and super invisibility ... wink
        1. +6
          28 August 2017 15: 45
          Quote: Michael Newage

          In fact, there is the level of maneuverability of 21-93 or 23 MLD MIGs somewhere. But these are trifles, the main thing there is a lot of electronics, and super invisibility ... wink

          That's right. F-35 will fall into dogfights less often than F-15 will fall into them.
        2. +7
          28 August 2017 16: 46
          The turn is really 19.5 with acceleration from lane. 7g. Can you recount the time for 9g? Or help. And this is on one engine. I don’t see anything bad.
          1. +3
            28 August 2017 16: 56
            And for 9g what will be less or something laughing ? Well, I’m not an expert, so an amateur, I don’t know how to count time and overload a turn on a video. Why are you so boasting about one engine then? Is this some kind of achievement? With two will be less a priori? And I thought it was not a matter of quantity, but of traction and a mass of overall parameters ...
            1. +3
              28 August 2017 17: 22
              Yes, according to this parameter, the indicator is somewhere 19 deg / s, no worse than f16. Worse than su-27 -22 gr / sec. That is, you need to practically squeeze out the maximum of those possible to the maneuver from the tuning of the F135. equate with su.
              1. +3
                28 August 2017 17: 25
                Nothing to squeeze. If you increase the wing area, the speed will drop, and he’s already dead. The engine is also not much forced, this is not a new engine already. So let invent the invisible paint and improve electronics. Dog Fight ordered him from birth.
                1. +4
                  28 August 2017 17: 32
                  Yes, no one hides that the goals are different. For this, the engine is one and without uvt.
                2. +8
                  28 August 2017 17: 35
                  For the meat grinder we have f15-f16 420 pcs.
                3. +4
                  28 August 2017 19: 53
                  "The engine also does not force much, it's not a new engine already" ////

                  They are working on the engine, although it is already the world record holder in traction. And the engine of the second stage of the T-50 will not come close to it. + 10% he will receive, and when the blades are replaced by ceramic and the weight decreases.
                  1. +1
                    28 August 2017 20: 03
                    How much this old engine will produce and how much the product is 30. Write once you know everything.
              2. +6
                28 August 2017 17: 26
                Quote: Shahno
                Yes, according to this parameter, the indicator is somewhere 19 deg / s, no worse than f16. Worse than su-27 -22 gr / sec. That is, you need to practically squeeze out the maximum of those possible to the maneuver from the tuning of the F135. equate with su.

                What for? For example, the BVB "Python-5" missile has a range of up to 20km and overloads in 70g. What kind of dogfight can we talk about here?
                1. +2
                  28 August 2017 20: 48
                  Well, upload 40 of these pythons to your S-130 Hercules. Carry out a modernization, with a cost of a penny and the result on a rupee. And let him fly like a fighter, accompanied by AWACS aircraft. Dog Fight is not needed when there is a super duper python laughing .
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      2. 0
        28 August 2017 15: 56
        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        The option to work in stealth is of course completely closed. But it has often been argued that the F-35 loses much in dogfight to fourth-generation cars. Although test pilots denied this

        Yes, God is shooting with a dogfight. The main thing scared the neighbors. The French and Swedes are not trusted, the Patriots too. It's time to build a new export line
        1. +6
          28 August 2017 16: 06
          Quote: Tusv

          Yes, God is shooting with a dogfight. The main thing scared the neighbors. The French and Swedes are not trusted, the Patriots too. It's time to build a new export line

          Those neighbors who may not buy from you, but who want money do not have. wink
          1. +3
            28 August 2017 16: 29
            As if you have money. You are allocated military aid to you, and here you are buying it, suddenly American weapons, regardless of their characteristics. So look in your pocket better.
            1. +6
              28 August 2017 16: 58
              states provide military assistance
              States of Israel, you are Arabs, and who invested the money correctly?
              1. +5
                28 August 2017 17: 11
                Invested? Are we talking about fighting efficiency or investments? If it’s about investments (oh wei) then the Americans overestimate you much more than we Arabs. And how much have we helped the Arabs? T62M and Shishigi gave Assad? It’s ridiculous.
                1. +7
                  28 August 2017 17: 24
                  Funny
                  Syria alone has forgiven $ 14 billion. in 2005, and since then they invested the same amount there, all pensioners laugh in unison with you, as well as sick doctors and other poor people.
                  1. +8
                    28 August 2017 17: 30
                    God, here’s the training manual, sick doctors, pensioners ... bot with you, can you talk about something after this? You were there when supposedly duty, supposedly forgiven? And you know, on what terms, yes? I can also put an American flag and write garbage, see: "But in the states of tollerostia and cabbage rolls they serve in the army !!!! Ha ha ha we’ll tear these s !!!"
                    That's how you look with your retirees now, bot. Those Shishigi probably should have given them lol .
                    1. +2
                      28 August 2017 18: 23
                      You were there when supposedly duty, supposedly forgiven?
                      So they didn’t forgive. So we will write, Michael Newage said that they did not forgive. Look where they are.
                      1. +3
                        28 August 2017 18: 38
                        Well, let's proof then. Should I hang my ears and trust the bot? Yes, Dobi said they were forgiving, though they merged when asked under what conditions once he knows everything. Once again, I counted someone else's money. You worry so much for our senior citizens that you always think?
                  2. 0
                    28 August 2017 18: 43
                    Quote: Dobi
                    Syria alone has forgiven $ 14 billion. in 2005

                    I repeat for people who think that it is a gift to write off. In lending, only penalties are forgiven, which can be thousands of times the principal debt, in rare cases, interest. Just imagine the debt from 1917 to the Paris Club. You won’t pay for 2 centuries. Redeemed in two years. This is called Copied
                    The body of debt is not forgiven to anyone. In rare cases, it is transferred for a rollback, as in the case of Iraq in favor of the United States or they sell defaulted debt for a penny
                    1. +3
                      28 August 2017 18: 49
                      Yes, everything is clear, Tusv said The body of debt is not forgiven, and Michael Newage said that they didn’t forgive. Does Syria know that they didn’t forgive? What about Vietnam? A Mongolia?
                      1. +2
                        28 August 2017 18: 55
                        Yes, everything is clear, Dobi said that the stupid Rosiyan leadership gave the Arabs 14 lard for so. This is the same Dobi said. You can trust him. Without proofs. He is worried about our sick pensioners. Believe Dobi.
                      2. +1
                        28 August 2017 18: 56
                        Quote: Dobi
                        Does Syria know that they didn’t forgive?

                        Of course! Tartus and Khmeinim for Russia for free for many summers and a bunch of beggars, by the way, the Federal Republic of Germany on reparations paid off shares only 2 years ago hi
                  3. +2
                    29 August 2017 04: 32
                    Quote: Dobi
                    all pensioners laugh in unison with you, as well as sick doctors and other poor

                    It started))))))))))))))))))))))))))) Are you not a black man? Listen, why are you clinging to us, I am a senior citizen, laughing at you, come, I will show how we live and how to live. They got these already, sit behind a puddle and blather about what the press writes about them.
            2. +3
              28 August 2017 19: 25
              Israel has foreign exchange reserves of about $ 100 billion if you are not in the know. But of course no one will spend them in vain, all the more there is help in the form of American military assistance. In fact, this is a payment for the given Sinai (Egypt also receives by the way), and for the role of a useful and reliable ally in the region. In addition, this money is almost completely returned back to the American military corporations.
              1. +1
                28 August 2017 19: 39
                Yes, eat do not cling to it. I am glad that you agree with me, spending your money on f35 is spending it in vain. I don’t know what’s happening with Sinai, but today you’re an ally so-so. Too much ambition and ambition. The Saudis are the main American ally in the region. To say that returning this money back to American corporations is like saying when it rains, water falls from the sky. If you hadn’t come back, and you bought Rafali for this loot, no allied kisses would have helped you and you would not have seen this money.
                1. +4
                  29 August 2017 07: 03
                  First, Israel’s military budget is 18 billion. Therefore, from the point of view of financial opportunities, Israel is quite capable of giving up American aid and even replenishing 3 billion, well, say, through medicine and education, taking advantage of Russian experience. lol
                  Secondly, many in Israel have long been proposing to refuse assistance, because it is more beneficial to the Americans and to some extent ties its hands in the political sense.
                  Thirdly, if you buy F-35, it means that they want the Air Force, in Israel no one will buy airplanes because of economic or political benefits to the detriment of military requirements.
                  And fourthly, Saudi Arabia is not the main ally, but the main buyer of American weapons - yes!
                  In general, everything is complicated
                  1. +2
                    29 August 2017 07: 16
                    Quote: stone
                    First, Israel’s military budget is 18 billion. Therefore, from the point of view of financial opportunities, Israel is quite capable of giving up American aid and even replenishing 3 billion, well, say, through medicine and education, taking advantage of Russian experience.

                    You will not convince anyone. For example, yesterday, "Gilead buys US-Israeli startup Kite Pharma for $ 11,9 billion." Billions of dollars will go to the treasury of Israel from this deal. This year we collected a lot more taxes than planned. The amount of "busting" exceeds US aid.
                    http://www.newsru.co.il/finance/28aug2017/kite310
                    .html
                  2. +3
                    29 August 2017 08: 29
                    "According to the report of the Ministry of Finance for 2016, the commitments of the Ministry of Defense (budget) amounted to 67 billion shekels. (19 billion dollars) And without the most recent distribution of the budget surplus, the Knesset Financial Commission added an army to classified articles well, a lot. ..
                  3. +2
                    29 August 2017 11: 08
                    3 mld. out of 18. ... that's about 20 percent, when you make up and buy planes for your money, then we'll talk. I won’t be surprised if these planes cease to be of American origin. wink And until then, if my grandmother ...

                    Yes, yes to refuse .. ties his hands in the political sense ...))) What does this offer? Refuse freebies? As if Israel already does not conduct its policy putting on everyone with the device .... well, except for amers lol . And what remains today, either you are their mongrel, or you have little democracy, and if not nuclear weapons tolerant bombs can fly))) Without their patronage, another war with neighbors and the loss of the 1973 level await you. Yeah, how can I refuse))) Shavka will refuse freebies and protection)) You guys overestimate yourself there))) Jews will refuse freebies, a new joke)))

                    If you personally will not be someone let it be. Is there no corruption in your country? Do not la la.

                    You forgot about the military bases on their territory and the oil that they can give the United States, well, this is so little things. And what can you give besides loyalty? NOTHING. So ... The United States has lately been at the UN for you ... shit, have you not received this signal? Today they don’t need you as much as before ...

                    It’s not so difficult for me, apparently when viewed from the side, with an unbiased look, everything is seen easier.
                    1. +1
                      29 August 2017 15: 25
                      And also German ships and submarines ...
                  4. MMX
                    0
                    29 August 2017 12: 49
                    Quote: stone
                    First, Israel’s military budget is 18 billion. Therefore, from the point of view of financial opportunities, Israel is quite capable of giving up American aid and even replenishing 3 billion, well, say, through medicine and education, taking advantage of Russian experience. lol
                    Secondly, many in Israel have long been proposing to refuse assistance, because it is more beneficial to the Americans and to some extent ties its hands in the political sense.

                    In general, everything is complicated


                    Oh, again, these mantras about the fact that Israel does not seem to need this help, and indeed, only interferes ... Well, well, if it interfered, they would refuse (nothing, after all, 3 billion a year in all).
                    Well, the stories about how the USA “buys” Israel’s loyalty in this way are also from the evil one. The United States holds Israel very tightly for one place and leverage is much more powerful than just financial assistance.
                    As for the “Russian experience” in replenishing the military budget with “medicine and education”, Israel will undoubtedly have to do just that. How else? Either cut the military budget, or seek funds from the rest of the budget, to the detriment of other areas, of course.
          2. +1
            28 August 2017 17: 20
            Quote: Aaron Zawi
            Those neighbors who may not buy from you, but who want money do not have.

            You still scare me Aron. In Egypt there is already an Anteyev regiment, in fact a military analogue of the C-400
            1. +5
              28 August 2017 17: 28
              Quote: Tusv
              Quote: Aaron Zawi
              Those neighbors who may not buy from you, but who want money do not have.

              You still scare me Aron. In Egypt there is already an Anteyev regiment, in fact a military analogue of the C-400

              Yeah. Only the Saudi loan has already ended. wink
              1. +1
                28 August 2017 20: 20
                Quote: Aaron Zawi
                Yeah. Only Saudi loan has already ended

                Wai Mei, do you know a country that has never taken a loan? And this is a military help: one and a half Egypt, three and two gigabaks per year to Israel and only so that you do not cross each other at the expense of the tax payer of the SyShyA peoples and the creedites of Japan, China and Russia hi
                Early Aron You emigrated to your historic homeland. Did not finish learning Adnaka feel
          3. +1
            28 August 2017 17: 41
            Those neighbors who may not buy from you, but who want money do not have.

            This is what the United States uses. Someone who can buy, make it themselves or get involved in the American commercial project f-35. And who can’t, but wants to "roll in the mirrors" to the world gendarme of the fascist inclination, show complete humility and receive "help"
          4. +1
            28 August 2017 22: 33
            Aron, good evening!
            John Farley (test pilot) about the Su-27. A full turn (360 degrees) of the Su-27 makes in 10 seconds., MiG-29 no more. "36gr. Per second ... we dream that it will be exterminated. The next generation will do 25 deg., And here the Russians have 36 !!!". - first int. the demon. Su-29 in Paris in 89g.
            Maybe it’s speed, what is it doing? Although it’s all the same, because the pilot will try to fulfill it faster. hi
            Movie "John Farley about the Su-27" can be found on the Internet.
            1. +1
              29 August 2017 11: 27
              It’s just that the bend was not steady at su.
              1. +3
                29 August 2017 11: 34
                Pilot 35 in the dogfight will not care if the turn there was a turn or not, if they go to the "steady" six hours this way and a rocket flies into the hollow wink .
      3. +5
        28 August 2017 17: 20
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        Fuel consumption without afterburner 0.61 kg / kgf * h, on afterburner 1.25 kg / kgf * h
        2.5 minutes / 0.042 h, maximum mode, 13062 kgf * 0.61 kg / kgf * h = 7968 kg / h * 0.042 h = 335 kg
        2.5 minutes / 0.042 h, afterburner, 19507 kgf * 1.25 kg / kgf * h = 24384 kg / h * 0.042 h = 1024 kg
        Fuel consumption 335 kg + 1024 kg = 1359 kg (3000 lb)
        Thus, the aircraft can be refueled no more than 4000 lb or 1814 kg
        Take-off weight 13290 kg (empty) + 1814 kg (fuel) + 100 kg (pilot) = 15204 kg
        Wing load 15204 kg: 42.74 m2 = 356 kg / m2
        Thrust-weight ratio 19507 kgf: 15204 kg = 1.28
        Mig-29 with a minimum turn time of 19 sec, weight 13000 kg, wing load 339.4 kg / m2, thrust-weight ratio 1.28.
        The wing load of the F-35 is slightly higher, the thrust-weight ratio is the same, 356 kg / m2: 339.4 kg / m2 = 1,0489 * 19 sec (turn time MiG-29) = 19.9 sec, which we observe.
        Conclusion: the radius of the bend F-35 at the level of MiG-29.

        Sharply, taut and averaged.
        Fuel from 6 + to 9 tons depending on the version.
        42-58 sq.m wing
        Dry weight from 13 + to 15 + tons.
        Average from 22 + to 25 + tons.
        Maximum speed from 27 + to 30 + tons.
        Thrust 0.96 - 1.11
        It turned out to be heavy for a single-engine.
        And much more, but also not like possible working overloads. request
    3. +4
      28 August 2017 15: 29
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Jews will not take bad.

      So they took it! No need to think in patterns. What is good there? It flies badly, it takes few weapons! Unsuccessful.
      1. +2
        28 August 2017 15: 49
        Quote: Stas157
        What is good there? It flies badly, it takes few weapons! Unsuccessful.

        Then the s-400 already applications from 10 countries. The queues are already standing and Anthei 2500 is already in Egypt.
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  5. 0
    28 August 2017 15: 01
    Who is Israel interested in arming against?
    1. 0
      28 August 2017 15: 03
      Quote: Alexey-74
      Who is Israel interested in arming against?

      Much more interesting for whom smile
      1. +2
        28 August 2017 15: 41
        ABOUT! Jews - they are so cunning that until the bomb falls on your head and you’ll understand
    2. +6
      28 August 2017 15: 37
      Quote: Alexey-74
      Who is Israel interested in arming against?

      Good question. If we consider that their NATO countries are friends, it turns out only against us. Well, do not mind the ish!
  6. +5
    28 August 2017 15: 07
    "Here is another proof of the success of the F-35. Jews - smart people and bad equipment will not buy."

    Guys, everything is explained much easier.
    You should see who is sitting there in the procurement commission. By relatives, they help relatives in the military industrial complex of mattresses. And imagine a percentile or two. Hand in hand washes.
    Have you somewhere seen the conclusions about the combat use of these vaunted Fu-35s?
    Secret And, in my opinion, it’s very secret ...
    1. +9
      28 August 2017 15: 20
      There, in Israel, for such dates real terms are received that the prime minister, the president ... have you made a mistake?
      1. +4
        28 August 2017 17: 17
        Believe me, I was not mistaken at all! Not without reason, almost all lawyers are lawyers.
        Jews have a very large practice, even in the Bible their tricks are described.
        1. +10
          28 August 2017 17: 26
          The best. And the doctors are also the best. And also nuclear physicists ... But you never know ...
          1. 0
            28 August 2017 22: 22
            we will have Lomonosov more)
  7. +10
    28 August 2017 15: 08
    Here is a good photo. A pair of Israeli F-35
    in two angles at the same time.
    1. +6
      28 August 2017 15: 42
      It looks, of course, like an iron ... but flying!
      1. +3
        28 August 2017 15: 58
        Quote: novel xnumx
        It looks, of course, like an iron ... but flying!

        If you attach a steam generator from the bottom, it will look like mine.
        1. +2
          28 August 2017 16: 04
          the cord is not enough, and yours also flies?
          1. +5
            28 August 2017 16: 10
            35 nozzles ro circle, 38 in the middle. I did not give full steam power, and why? Then catch him all over the apartment ...
            1. +7
              28 August 2017 16: 39
              Here is the F-35 as well. At first, software limited its maneuverability to
              5 G - they scolded him with a pregnant iron, now they have increased it to 7 G - it was shown on a show in Paris: it turned out that it could lead a close battle. And soon the restrictions will be lifted to 9 G ... - and "Catch him then throughout the apartment" laughing .
              1. +7
                28 August 2017 17: 24
                Quote: voyaka uh
                5 G - they scolded him with a pregnant iron, now they have increased it to 7 G - it was shown on a show in Paris: it turned out that it could lead a close fight. And soon they will remove the restrictions to 9 G.

                And then patched to plasma guns and photon engines.
      2. +8
        28 August 2017 17: 27
        "Iron flies across the sky
        From the country of israel
        Well, let yourself fly
        The piece of iron is strange. "
    2. 0
      28 August 2017 16: 36
      Yak 141, the same.
      1. +7
        28 August 2017 16: 51
        Here is the Yak-141. Please note - THREE
        jet engine. Two are for lifting only.
        The F-35 has just one that transfers power to the fan.
        1. 0
          29 August 2017 21: 58
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Here is the Yak-141. Please note - THREE
          jet engine. Two are for lifting only.
          The F-35 has just one that transfers power to the fan.

          The weight of the two additional engines is less than the weight of the driven fan.
        2. +6
          30 August 2017 12: 05
          Quote: voyaka uh
          The F-35 has just one that transfers power to the fan.

          technologies didn’t allow (and some nuances), that’s why they “stuck in the old fashion” additional lifting. request
      2. 0
        28 August 2017 17: 27
        In which place?
        1. +3
          28 August 2017 19: 46
          Back, as usual. From it goes the shaft to the fan.
          1. 0
            28 August 2017 20: 16
            This is me about the Yak-130.
            1. 0
              28 August 2017 20: 17
              Sorry, about the Yak-141.
    3. +1
      29 August 2017 16: 10
      to be honest, handsome in the photo
  8. +2
    28 August 2017 15: 31
    Airplanes of the first batch cost Israel $ 125 million per unit, the second - $ 110 million, fighters of the third batch will cost the IDF less than $ 100 million each. To date, five F-35А aircraft have been delivered to Israel, here referred to as F-35I Adir. By the 2021 year, it is planned to complete the delivery of fighters of the first and second batches (33 units), and by 2024, the number of them in the Israeli Air Force should grow to 50 (this will complete the two fighter squadrons). At the same time, the military department is considering the possibility of additional purchases of stealth fighters, including in the modification F-35B.


    Not to the IDF, but to the US budget .... Deliveries go to the $ 3 billion annual aid from Israel from the US ...
    1. +5
      28 August 2017 16: 35
      Quote: Zaurbek
      third-party fighters will cost the IDF less than $ 100 million each

      It turns out no more expensive than our Su-57.
      Quote: Zaurbek
      Deliveries go to the annual aid of 3 billion dollars from Israel from the USA ...

      Does Israel need help? Under what conditions can I get this? They will not give us, by chance?
      1. -1
        28 August 2017 17: 25
        Check out the Camp David deal. Everything is painted there. Egypt receives as much mirror.
      2. +2
        28 August 2017 21: 20
        Moreover, if earlier, due to aid, Israel could buy weapons from its and third-party firms, then last year the contract was revised and now you can only buy production in the USA ...
  9. +7
    28 August 2017 15: 33
    Israeli Air Force 100% Dominates the region!
    1. +4
      28 August 2017 15: 39
      C400 dominates in the region, if something suddenly ...
      1. +10
        28 August 2017 15: 41
        Gee ... So far, nothing. Their Air Force is banging Hezbolah right under the nose of the S-400, as they want ...
        1. +3
          28 August 2017 16: 00
          I was not there then, but as they say, the Syrian pilots lured their fairies under our radars.
        2. +8
          28 August 2017 16: 24
          Quote: Holoy
          Their Air Force banged Hezboll right under the nose of the S-400, as they want ...

          Okay, only Hezbollah, and our ally Assad, too! And this is a direct blow to our image.
        3. 0
          28 August 2017 22: 26
          3 downed girona confirm BGG
          1. +2
            28 August 2017 22: 39
            Quote: shans2
            3 downed girona confirm BGG

            The wreckage of at least one show?
          2. +1
            29 August 2017 07: 02
            Quote: shans2
            3 downed girona confirm BGG

      2. +4
        28 August 2017 22: 15
        Quote: Ace of Diamonds
        C400 dominates in the region, if something suddenly ...

  10. +1
    28 August 2017 15: 36
    US-promised aircraft for Iran.
  11. +3
    28 August 2017 15: 41
    amerikosy give money to Israel ... Israel buys American planes worth PPC for this money ... question de money that gave Israel? laughing would give immediately free planes why break the comedy ?? recourse
  12. +1
    28 August 2017 15: 59
    Duc, in fact, everything is possible for Israel, but comrade Kim the barbarian who has his own weapon is actually laughter when they say that Israel is buying something from the states, just an American bunch of Jews are transferring military equipment to their brothers and at the same time various types of bandits are financing some kind of igil in Ukraine some Christians and Muslims once in Lebanon, Albanians in Yugoslavia Mujahideen and then the Taliban in Afghanistan and other shelly
    1. +2
      28 August 2017 16: 11
      while the Americans are bombing ISIS precisely Iran and are negotiating with them, so who is financing whom the question is.
      Yes, and all those who did not please the hereditary President Assad are recorded in the igil immediately .... the truth then they agree again and voila ale op and they are already fighters for "freedom" .. Assad.
  13. +6
    28 August 2017 16: 22
    http://www.warandpeace.ru/ru/news/view/123905/ "...По заявлению министерства, (обороны Израиля) из-за снижения цены будет рассмотрена возможность покупки большего количества самолетов для оснащения ими трех эскадрилий, вместо двух, планировавшихся ранее"
  14. +4
    28 August 2017 17: 03
    Quote: Dobi
    Achievement to be truly proud of laughing .
    Well, duck rejoice ladies and gentlemen. soon the gallant Syrian Air Force, on the blasts 21 and 23, will spread the Israeli Air Force in dogfights.

    Yes, yes, without 35 you can’t compete with the Syrians on 21 MiGs, here I agree with you. laughing
    1. +6
      28 August 2017 19: 47
      Of course, do not compete! The Syrians will not even take off, their tactics in the last 25 years in dogfights with the Israelis are not to take off laughing
      1. 0
        28 August 2017 22: 28
        this is the past, but the Jewish pain and sadness is Cast Lead, but now it’s so ...
  15. +2
    28 August 2017 17: 46
    Dobi,
    Yes, good luck, good luck with your f-35. Happiness to Israel. In what fat Israel will show time. I like to be suckers - a flag in your hands. You can drool further on f-35 and all better.
    1. +3
      28 August 2017 18: 40
      What are they suckers then? What do combat aircraft get from the USA for free? They do not buy them either for their own, but for those that the United States allocated to them, we would have such lust, let it never happen, we are all ourselves.
  16. +2
    28 August 2017 17: 57
    Israel is preparing for war .. But just with whom ..? Netanyahu frequented Putin! Well, Russian fighters do not scare it for sure .. The purpose of Iran? Ah Israel, and it’s better not to try to agree with the Arabs, and not show off throwing and arming with such expensive toys, who do you want to scare ..? Remember your "Phantoms" shot down over Egypt with aces pilots ..
    1. +4
      28 August 2017 19: 06
      Why negotiate with those whom they always beat and will beat?
      1. +2
        28 August 2017 19: 16
        Quote: here you go
        Why negotiate with those whom they always beat and will beat?

        Alas, now the Russians have settled there! Beating babies will not work ... Let them check and we are interested in testing all of our air defense!
        1. +4
          28 August 2017 19: 24
          experienced in the Turks? for whom did they bring down the Syrians? even if you imagine such a kapets, how would the Jews drown out this defense? unlike us, they don’t fight back with blood embargoes on tomatoes
          1. +3
            28 August 2017 19: 40
            Quote: here you go
            experienced in the Turks? for whom did they bring down the Syrians? even if you imagine such a kapets, how would the Jews drown out this defense? unlike us, they don’t fight back with blood embargoes on tomatoes

            They will mark you soon .. They now need such screamers! hi Good luck in betrayal .. (you will succeed ..))))
            1. +5
              28 August 2017 20: 54
              those. tell the truth is this betrayal? well, basically it’s logical
        2. +5
          28 August 2017 22: 20
          Quote: DEPARTMENT
          there are now Russian settled

          Not the first time, learn the story of Vitalik.
          Quote: DEPARTMENT
          Beating babies will fail

          Or history will teach you.

          Quote: DEPARTMENT
          all our air defense

          Straight all at once? wassat So zapulite a dozen or two ICBMs in the United States and test your health! fellow
        3. +3
          28 August 2017 22: 25
          Quote: DEPARTMENT
          we are interested in testing all of our air defense!

          The cunning wizards again saved - instead of using high-tech missiles to fire, Prime Minister Nitanyahu was sent to Moscow - and it would be cheaper and the GDP would not be boring ....
          lol
      2. 0
        28 August 2017 22: 29
        When did they beat Iran and Hesbollah?) It seems the hesbollah was stuffed with someone))
        1. +2
          29 August 2017 11: 01
          Quote: shans2
          When did they beat Iran and Hesbollah?) It seems the hesbollah was stuffed with someone))

          Then why was the ceasefire on Israeli terms?wink
    2. +4
      28 August 2017 20: 16
      Quote: DEPARTMENT
      Target Iran? Ah Israel, and not better try to negotiate with the Arabs

      Iranians are not Arabs, but Persians.
    3. +4
      28 August 2017 20: 23
      Quote: DEPARTMENT
      Remember your "Phantoms" shot down over Egypt with aces pilots ..

      Well, here everyone has something to remember. For example, your MiG and aces pilots shot down over Egypt? (Operation Rimon)
    4. +3
      28 August 2017 20: 30
      Quote: DEPARTMENT
      Israel is preparing for war .. But just with whom ..?

      Si vis pacem, para bellum.
      So you have to keep the powder dry.
    5. +5
      28 August 2017 20: 34
      Father! In Iran, not Arabs, but Persians, and they hate Arabs (Sunnis) fiercely, almost like Jews. And this feeling is absolutely mutual. Learn the mat. part, Father!
      1. +2
        29 August 2017 15: 35
        Quote: irazum
        Father! In Iran, not Arabs, but Persians, and they hate Arabs (Sunnis) fiercely, almost like Jews. And this feeling is absolutely mutual. Learn the mat. part, Father!

        Yes, this clicker smears the honorary title of Patriot with excrement, profane him, thanks to such, the word "patriot" takes on a bad connotation and people feel ashamed, because there is an association with this ... with the writings of this figure.
        Perhaps he deliberately does this, achieving someone's goal of denigrating the title of patriot. It is thanks to these that the expressions “scribbler”, “scribbler” appeared ...
    6. +6
      28 August 2017 22: 22
      Quote: DEPARTMENT
      ... shot down over Egypt with aces pilots ...

      Especially 30 July 1970 year. fool
  17. +2
    28 August 2017 18: 18
    And don’t go to your grandmother - against the Palestinian VKS
    1. 0
      28 August 2017 20: 35
      That's for sure! Against them!
  18. +6
    28 August 2017 19: 04
    f 35 The ONLY 5th generation fighter that you can buy. Jews and bought. is logical. I almost forgot, pendo s-tan is the only country that has these same fifth generations. prototypes and drawings do not count.
    one can say a hundred times which 35 is bad, but when we launch 5 in a series (12 pcs a series?), they rivet the sixth generation
    1. +5
      28 August 2017 19: 11
      We must immediately begin to do the seventh, after su 57 so we outwit them laughing . Well, or as soon as a batch with engines of the 2nd stage enters the troops, to say that it is so much better than a raptor that according to our classification it is already the sixth. Not well, but what? The main thing is to say in time, and not what is there laughing .
    2. 0
      29 August 2017 16: 21
      how much did you drink? let them cope with our ++++ first
  19. +7
    28 August 2017 19: 45
    The bigger, the better. It's time to return the Jewish lands.
    1. +2
      28 August 2017 19: 51
      How much is a dumb provocative commentary to raise wed ... from a bot like you?
      1. +3
        28 August 2017 21: 00
        with such questions to you in the mosque, and what I think is writing
        1. +2
          28 August 2017 21: 19
          Your wretched little world is divided only into those who go to synagogues and mosques? Judging by this, there’s especially nothing to think about, so it’s better not to write lol
      2. +1
        29 August 2017 15: 37
        Quote: Michael Newage
        How much is a dumb provocative comment

        This question can be addressed to the DEPARTMENT)))
    2. +4
      28 August 2017 22: 24
      Quote: From the Nile to the Euphrates
      It's time to return the Jewish lands.

      Do we have enough parasites? belay
    3. 0
      28 August 2017 22: 34
      here I read Kota Motya, and then you are like that on TOPwar, it’s such a bastard in your head, you Jews, you really are a sect)). In fact, the Golan in your 18 will be taken back to the owner.
      1. +5
        28 August 2017 22: 45
        Quote: shans2
        here I read Kota Motya, and then you are like that on TOPwar, it’s such a bastard in your head, you Jews, you really are a sect)). In fact, the Golan in your 18 will be taken back to the owner.

        If you don’t take it, then will you leave the site yourself? wink
      2. +2
        29 August 2017 10: 55
        Quote: shans2
        here I read Kota Motya, and then you are like that on TOPwar, it’s such a bastard in your head, you Jews, you really are a sect)). In fact, the Golan in your 18 will be taken back to the owner.

        Will they come and beg to tearfully, until they shut us up with a whining?laughing
        Py.Sy. - The Golan has already been in the hands of the owner since 67.
  20. +3
    28 August 2017 20: 02
    Tusv,
    Of course! Tartus and Khmeinim for Russia for free

    What about Vietnam? And Angola, and Nicaragua? What about Mongolia? A Afghanistan? A Iraq? A Libya? A Cuba (90% OT 31,7 billion USD)?
    Etc.
    1. 0
      28 August 2017 20: 24
      You forgot North Korea, Cambodia, Yugoslavia ... oh sorry, I thought you list the countries in which the Americans managed to bring a little democracy. In the form of bombs. Not well, but what? They were not tolerant and democratic enough, and they had to be killed a little. Well, let them gut out for fun ... Well, do you feel sorry for someone of these subhuman people, since they do not share American values? And our Dobi bot is very democratic and tolerant. What a flag he has. Dobi loves American values. Pensioners are very fond of Russian and therefore sticks their nose in someone else's pocket. Dobi, or maybe you’ll out of your pocket and throw a little to one senior citizen. I have a friend, I'll give you a phone throw 500 rubles per number. This is somewhere around 10 dollars for yours. Kopeks, do not be tight. Prove so to speak your case in the dispute in practice. And then Russia writes off debts to everyone, it does not pay pensioners. Well, maybe Dobi will help. He has a salary bot, he probably has a currency. So what do you say Dobi? And you protect American values ​​and help a person!
      1. +3
        28 August 2017 21: 58
        You forgot North Korea, Cambodia, Yugoslavia
        And which is typical, no one except S. Korea wants to have business with you. Even the former countries of Yugoslavia.
        I have a friend, I'll give you a phone throw 500 rubles to the number
        Here, again, beg, as in the early nineties.
        1. +1
          28 August 2017 22: 04
          North Korea only deals with the Chinese, so by the boat. With amers, but they want to have all things to not be bombed, right?
          Nobody begged here, no need to jingle yap. You were offered to confirm your boltology by deed, you were blown away and started to lie. Free shorter than a botan, ask your owners for a training manual for you, near-by trolls to update. And then look rotten.
          1. +2
            28 August 2017 22: 22
            I have a friend, I'll give you a phone throw 500 rubles to the number
            Your words? means a beggar.
            1. +1
              28 August 2017 22: 25
              Quote: Dobi
              Funny
              Syria alone has forgiven $ 14 billion. in 2005, and since then they invested the same amount there, all pensioners laugh in unison with you, as well as sick doctors and other poor people.

              Your words? So yap cheap.
              1. +2
                28 August 2017 22: 28
                I’ll give you a phone, throw 500 rubles to the number
                That’s it, I don’t give more to beggars.
                Ah, special for you laughing laughing laughing
                1. +1
                  28 August 2017 22: 37
                  Merged? It is high time... laughing Go make a report to the owners, how you defended democracy and was heroically dipped his head a few times in the toilet, for his bragging foolishness lol . Weak of you trolls, it is not surprising that the "Russian hackers" have already become a meme. With you, near-by bots, you don’t need to strain much. Come on, foolish thing ... negative
    2. 0
      29 August 2017 16: 26
      I don’t understand in any way - it’s envious that Russia can afford it, but the USA and Israel do not. duck everyone knows for a long time that the Russians take care of the soul, and the United States and them more than jo ... pu
  21. +5
    28 August 2017 22: 21
    Israel buys planes, and the seats are torn apart by a jet from the Russians. I love threads about F35. Envy drips from the monitor.
    1. +2
      28 August 2017 22: 32
      I would be jealous if they sold f22 after modification. And so ... you say, well, the plane is rubbish, and the guys are offended and let's protect the American hosts. Disbelief in kickbacks also touches. No, how is it that smart Jews will not buy trash for a lot of money. Only money is not theirs, and they are smart in that part that you can get a lot of money from kickbacks, and what to fly on, in principle, is not so important in that region. What is Iran with Tomkets, Phantoms and 29 MiGs of 82 years old? In short, not the Russians. In topics about SU57 and T14 the same booth. New weapons, old disputes.
      1. +3
        28 August 2017 23: 54
        If Iran has fast aviation, then these are Iran’s problems and this does not mean that Israel should equip its air forces with bad airplanes.

        Were there kickbacks or were not - xs. But there was money, and the planes enter the Air Force and fly. Now, if there were supply disruptions, frequent breakdowns, TTX mismatch with customer requirements, this would be a reason for analysis. By the way, things are much worse with us.
        1. +1
          29 August 2017 00: 17
          Yes, let them eat do not slap. They want to buy and bombard camels from a fighter for 100 million. But I don’t have to frighten over this circus now, so that their feelings do not go away laughing ?
          What's worse? The fact that we ourselves glued aviation, and Israel buys it for thanks and then puffs out its cheeks? Or have the Air Force bought and put into service an aircraft that cannot go into battle? The fact that such performance characteristics suit them is how you say the problems of Israel. What is there to envy dear? There is no jealousy, but you are there too .. oh what great fellows, oh what smart little ones they all flies they are all afraid of them. Lalkam threw a bone from across the ocean and now the bobics work it out, simultaneously engaged in self-hypnosis. Well good luck, che.
          1. +3
            29 August 2017 00: 40
            Quote: Michael Newage
            The fact that we glue aviation

            Who are we"? you don’t yet learn how to glue toilet bowls in your village. lol
            1. +2
              29 August 2017 00: 52
              And what can I answer you about this? Ask where did the conclusions about the viper come from and what's wrong with living in a village? Why didn’t the toilet bowls please you and what have they to do with it? Who are you to poke and what you don't like about us? Ask you where are you from? Send you on foot erotic? So many questions. Maybe you just close your mouth and won't bore me? Do me a favor ... Yes
          2. +2
            29 August 2017 07: 23
            Then where are such heated discussions? Probably out of jealousy, that the American "flightless" is in demand more than our non-equal world.

            Our MO in neighboring Israel is something and SU-34, and SU-35, and SU-30, and even the aircraft carrier drove in order to apparently bombard the camels. And finish off with cruise missiles. Armored camels. Or is there still where and against whom to use the latest technology and weapons?
            1. +1
              29 August 2017 10: 51
              I say, such discussions are due to new types of weapons. About the demand. So far they have sold 35 not so much. And "their" customers simply have NO choice. Americans sold a series of f16 fighters more than we MiG 29. And we a series of Su 27-35 more than they f15. And here so far there is nothing special to compare with us. 5th generation, we have not yet driven to Syria. She's not ready yet. American 35 by the way too. And they buy their 35s against Iran, but there, as I already wrote an outdated park, so this is a run ahead of the engine, and the plane is not ready, and when it will be ready ... In general, in my opinion my position is clear ...
  22. 0
    28 August 2017 23: 30
    Quote: Shahno
    Everything must be watched in proportion. Israel 8 with a small million people, an area of ​​50 × 400 km. Fighter aircraft 85 f15,330 f16 + 5 (50) fNUMX + combat experience. And compare. Well, with Turkey it’s understandable. About the rest in BV it’s even sadder.
    Compare at least with the Russian Federation with its considerable area .....

    And compare! Just add the MiG-31, Tu-22M3, Tu-95SM, Tu-160, and do not forget about MiGs and Sushki, which are now opposed to adversaries!
    1. +3
      28 August 2017 23: 59
      So the conversation about fighter aircraft was ....
      1. 0
        29 August 2017 16: 46
        f-35 is a good toy against banana republics, it’s dangerous to fight against them against su-27 and mig-29, but with + il ++ it makes no sense. but if bananas are bought with s-300, then together with the rest of them, the Fushka will have nothing to do even in bananas.
  23. 0
    29 August 2017 00: 12
    Quote: Shahno
    So the conversation about fighter aircraft was ....

    Yes, you sho? F-22 and especially F-35 fighters? Then really include our Su-24 in fighter jets!

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