Israel has signed a contract to supply more F-17 fighter 35

By the end of 2024, the Israel Air Force will have X-NUMX F-50 aircraft. According to the portal israeldefense.co.ilThe Israeli delegation, which arrived in the US, has signed a contract for the supply of 17 American stealth fighters to Israel.

The first contract for the supply of F-35 fighter jets to Israel was signed in 2010, and four years later, the Israeli military increased the request to 33 units. In November last year, the Israeli Ministerial Security Commission approved the purchase of an additional batch of 17 aircraft, and yesterday the contract was formalized, reports "Warspot".

Israel Air Force F-35I Adir Fighter

Airplanes of the first batch cost Israel $ 125 million per unit, the second - $ 110 million, fighters of the third batch will cost the IDF less than $ 100 million each. To date, five F-35А aircraft have been delivered to Israel, here referred to as F-35I Adir. By the 2021 year, it is planned to complete the delivery of fighters of the first and second batches (33 units), and by 2024, the number of them in the Israeli Air Force should grow to 50 (this will complete the two fighter squadrons). At the same time, the military department is considering the possibility of additional purchases of stealth fighters, including in the modification F-35B.

Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II - a family of fifth-generation fighter-bombers. The aircraft are available in three versions: F-35A (base model), F-35B (with short takeoff and vertical landing) and F-35C (takes off from an aircraft carrier using a catapult, sits down using an arresting machine). In addition to the United States, Australia, Great Britain, Denmark, Italy, Canada, the Netherlands, Norway and Turkey are taking part in the aircraft development program. In addition, the F-35 purchased by the Air Force of Israel and Japan.

Comments

[Thrall]

Large wholesale is cheaper?

[bouncyhunter]

Israel has signed a contract to supply more F-17 fighter 35

Big giraffe - he knows better.

[Vladimir16]

Well done Jews. The country is small, and the opportunities are great. Someone is in the market, while someone is doing things.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Vladimir16

Well done Jews. The country is small, and the opportunities are great. Someone is in the market, while someone is doing things.

It's just that someone thinks for the security of the country and the combat effectiveness of the army, while someone fights with corrupt officials all the way and cuts the defense budget, and pushes back the deadlines for delivering products to the fleets and the army.

[Shurik70]

If you think about who to fight with Israel on the F-35? Destroy Hezbollah leaders in passenger cars - and there will be enough shock UAV. The T-60 tank in the Syrians and the F-16 will be bombed. They will not fly over Egypt anyway, until all the radars with cruise missiles are destroyed.
On the other hand, Jews know how to count money, and they really cherish their pilots. In addition, receiving regular practice, they have the opportunity to evaluate real, not advertising TTX techniques. Looks like they’re actually going to fight with Iran.

[Zaurbek]

There are many weapons in the region and everyone loves to abide by the agreement. Therefore, Israel must have a better army and better weapons.

[Shahno]

I would say that not everyone likes to abide by the agreement.

[jonhr]

therefore they don’t cut budgets because they fight corruption
or do you still think that money is just beautiful paper candy wrappers and you can print them as much as you like and buy as much as you want?

[Stas157]

Quote: Vladimir16

Well done Jews. The country is small, and the opportunities are great. Someone is in the market, while someone is doing things.

Well, Jews can only be envied! After all, the contract of the Ministry of Defense of Russia for only 12 Su-57 aircraft is more likely an image-building one. And initially it was also 50 units, but in the financial sector the governments decided that it would be too greasy for the military.

[Muvka]

It was indicated there until 2020. Then there will be other orders. Just until 2020, more than 12 will not have time to rivet.

[Wedmak]

but in the financial sector, governments decided it would be too greasy for the military

If not mistaken, these 12 aircraft will be with the engines of the first stage. But the next ones, when they install the "30" product, will already order more. And all the same, in the coming years the Su-57 will be like an air special forces - few in quantity, but many in quality and capabilities.

[Letun]

Quote: Wedmak

And all the same, in the coming years the Su-57 will be like air special forces - few in quantity, but many in quality and capabilities.

My dear optimist, you look on the map for the size of Israel and Russia, and only then philosophize about the "air special forces" of 12 aircraft.

[Wedmak]

and then philosophize about the "air special forces" of 12 aircraft.

Actually, I meant more. And with the engines of the second stage.
And where does the size? The fact that if Russia sneezes-Israel will blow it away, everyone knows that. And neither the iron dome nor the titanium will help.
But of course no one will sneeze.
Israel generally sits on American money and, in fact, is like a pain in the ass in all the countries adjacent to it. Throughout its small history, it has failed, as a state, to establish friendly contacts with almost anyone. Only wars, provocations, scandals, provocative bombings of neighboring territories.
You won’t wish such a neighbor.

[Siberia55]

Is it the Jews?

The United States will provide military assistance to Israel in the total amount of 38 billion dollars, including 5 billion for missile defense ...

,

... Israelis receive $ 3,1 billion a year from the United States and seek a significant increase in aid to balance Iran’s capabilities ...

And the cherry on the trot:

... o Israel will lose the opportunity to request from the United States additional amounts in excess of those provided for in the memorandum, and will also gradually abandon the right to use part of the assistance for purchases from our own military-industrial complex...

What gentlemen Jews keep quiet about it. And then: "Well done Jews .., Jews can only be envied!"

[Shahno]

Everything must be watched in proportion. Israel 8 with a small million people, an area of ​​50 × 400 km. Fighter aircraft 85 f15,330 f16 + 5 (50) fNUMX + combat experience. And compare. Well, with Turkey it’s understandable. About the rest in BV it’s even sadder.
Compare at least with the Russian Federation with its considerable area .....

[Shahno]

And so the help goes. But you well understand whose it is mainly merit .....

[Siberia55]

All this is an ordinary flood (proportions, area).
You stupidly sucked in these f-35s and they blow all the media that Israel signed a contract, acquired ... And another 8 countries are forced to purchase this misunderstanding, because participate in this project. (dump grandmas in the US military-industrial complex)
And f-35 is a purely commercial project! And as a combat unit for the 5th - FUFLO!
For the US itself there is f-22

[Siberia55]

I did not say that he does not fly. And of course everything is classified there. Well, as usual. And about the interview: the link does not work, but I heard about it. This is not an argument. What does it look like? As in the cartoon about how the old man was selling a cow.
That cunning guy with the cartoon is the US military-industrial complex!

[Shahno]

I give you the numbers and you tell me about the flood. Do you have to chew on the meaning of these numbers, or will you guess it yourself?

[Dobi]

Is it Jewish

Do you want help from the States?

[Siberia55]

Dobi so this is irony. Although to whom am I explaining this? (for Dobi, the question is rhetorical )

[Dobi]

And the cherry on the trot

Duck needs to be understood by whom and what,
in the 90s in Moscow they sang:
We gave the Arabs money for a holy war
and they just poured all this money into p ..

[Siberia55]

Just do not move off the topic. About the 90s, the topic is completely inappropriate.

[Dobi]

That's just do not move off the topic

Paaavtorayu for those who are closed in the submarine:
We gave the Arabs money for a holy war
and they just poured all this money into p ..

so this is irony. Although to whom am I explaining this?

And America gave money to Israel. and did not fail

[Siberia55]

What am I talking about? Kanesh did not fail!
America with this project is well welded on suckers!
And more!

[Dobi]

America with this project is well welded on suckers!

I have no doubt that this is your way of thinking, they haven’t been studied differently, but both in Israel and America, and you and they are not in the rich. How so?
I see for you it’s probably nice, everywhere is hectic, so for you I’ll add

[Letun]

Quote: Siberia55

America with this project is well welded on suckers!

Lol, you can call the Jews suckers only, let’s say so softer, not very good. clever man

[Siberia55]

Yes, good luck, good luck with your f-35. Happiness to Israel. In what fat Israel will show time. I like to be suckers - a flag in your hands. You can drool further on f-35 and all better.
And specify. What is "everywhere bustling" and "what is pleasant" ?

[Dobi]

And specify. What is "everywhere bustling" and "what is pleasant"

And here:

[aliis-M]

I would not call the Israelis suckers. The Baltic republics and the like (which squander their production and army, hoping that the USA will help them in any war) - they are suckers. And Israel is strengthening its army, as yet, as I understand it, for other people's money, well, they somehow do not look like suckers. I heard from the edge of the eye that the Israelis want to localize the production of the F-35 more ...

[Oleg7700]

The US Congress, as the only "credit manager", can, by its authority, without Israeli requests, give him any amount in the interests of "US national security", which he recently committed.

[starogil]

You can open your mouth wider for free.

[Maz]

Nekhai is being bought, our chain dog in the BV should have good American fangs, and we will cut target designations to IDF pilots in full, let the gentlemen of the Jews plow our ideas

[alexsipin]

Quote: Maz

our chain dog

Do you also call your daughter who serves in the IDF?

[xetai9977]

Here is another proof of the success of the F-35. Jews - smart people and bad equipment will not buy.

[Simon]

It is still unknown how this technique will lead in battle! No one has tested it. We had to take a few pieces and test, and then buy.

[xetai9977]

"It is still unknown how this technique will lead in battle"
So you can say about any technique. At one time, the F-16 was in the same position. Nothing, weathered with brilliance. By the way, the Su-57 (or T-50, if you like) is not very seasoned in battle, to say the least. But no one pours mud at him (and they do it right, as I think). Technique is a technique, and you should not look at it through the prism of “our good, but someone else’s sucks”. History has repeatedly proved that this is a direct path to loss and defeat.

[Dobi]

It is still unknown how this technique will lead in battle

A C400? C300 C350

[Stas157]

Quote: xetai9977

Jews - smart people and bad equipment will not buy.

I thought so too, until they made this order.

[Velizariy]

They will pay for this "order" at the expense of the United States! The budget of Israel will not smell these expenses) So, all the same, smart people)))

[Swed]

They are also good traders. Maybe they just share? :)

[Wedmak]

Jews seem to want to put their electronics on this technique. And finish, as in due time F-16.

[Shahno]

As far as I understand, the process of integration of Israeli avionics and weapons has already been launched a long time ago. Now we are talking about running the Israeli prototype. And this excuse me jobs .... How do you like the reason for the contract?

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Thrall

Large wholesale is cheaper?

It’s just that the first lots went along with the purchase of simulators and tuition fees for l / s, which of course increased the price.

[Thrall]

50 pieces of F-35 Malov will be Israel for defense ...
Is this a defensive aircraft?

[WHAT IS]

Well, their neighbors love ...

[Dobi]

Well, their neighbors love ...

A tell us how your neighbors love you. Start from the Baltic states and down, by name.

[Simon]

Clearly, no!

[Wedmak]

Is this a defensive aircraft?

Of course ... he will stand on the ground and shoot everything that flies in a radius of 500 km.

[Setrac]

Quote: Thrall

50 pieces of F-35 Malov will be Israel for defense ...
Is this a defensive aircraft?

This is a type of station wagon that does everything, but very shitty.

[Lord of the Sith]

and by 2024, their number in the Israeli Air Force should increase to 50 (this will allow to equip two fighter squadrons)

By xnumx aircraft in squadron? Or maybe two regiments of the 25 squadron in each of the 2 planes + 12 aircraft of the regiment commander?

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

and by 2024, their number in the Israeli Air Force should increase to 50 (this will allow to equip two fighter squadrons)

By xnumx aircraft in squadron? Or maybe two regiments of the 25 squadron in each of the 2 planes + 12 aircraft of the regiment commander?

We have a squadron of 25 aircraft. Aircraft wing of 75 aircraft. An air base may include several air wings.

[voyaka uh]

You're right. 12 in the squadron. By the end of this year will be formed
first squadron (11 pieces)
Initial operation capability (IOC) of the first squadron is expected to be announced by December 7, 2017

[Professor]

Quote: voyaka uh

You are right. 12 in the squadron.

Wrong. It is 25 in the squadron.

[voyaka uh]

Squadron - isn't it a squadron?

[Professor]

Quote: voyaka uh

Squadron - isn't it a squadron?

Squadron. However, there will be 2 on 50 LA. Total not 12 in the squadron, but 24-25.
http://www.nrg.co.il/online/1/ART2/892/346.html?h
p = 1 & cat = 324
משלחת הרכש של משרד הביטחון בארה''ב השלימה בסוף השבוע את העסקה לרכש 17 מטוסי אף- 35 '' אדיר '' מ שתי טייסות שלמות (50 מטוסים) עבור חיל האוויר הישראלי.

[Mountain shooter]

So a good plane. Jews will not take bad. It’s clear that everything is secret - but does the information reach you? In Israel, the people of half of Moscow, everyone knows everyone. Well, in comparison with the F-16. Is there really anyone in Israel in the neighborhood who knows?

[zivXP]

Not only is it good, it is also invisible.

[Simon]

Oh well ... u! It would not hurt our check!

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

So a good plane. Jews will not take bad. It’s clear that everything is secret - but does the information reach you? In Israel, the people of half of Moscow, everyone knows everyone. Well, in comparison with the F-16. Is there really anyone in Israel in the neighborhood who knows?

The option to work in stealth is of course completely closed. But it has often been argued that the F-35 loses much in dogfight to fourth-generation cars. Although the test pilots denied this. As the demonstration of this machine, it becomes available for aviation enthusiasts.

Fuel consumption without afterburner 0.61 kg / kgf * h, on afterburner 1.25 kg / kgf * h
2.5 minutes / 0.042 h, maximum mode, 13062 kgf * 0.61 kg / kgf * h = 7968 kg / h * 0.042 h = 335 kg
2.5 minutes / 0.042 h, afterburner, 19507 kgf * 1.25 kg / kgf * h = 24384 kg / h * 0.042 h = 1024 kg
Fuel consumption 335 kg + 1024 kg = 1359 kg (3000 lb)
Thus, the aircraft can be refueled no more than 4000 lb or 1814 kg
Take-off weight 13290 kg (empty) + 1814 kg (fuel) + 100 kg (pilot) = 15204 kg
Wing load 15204 kg: 42.74 m2 = 356 kg / m2
Thrust-weight ratio 19507 kgf: 15204 kg = 1.28
Mig-29 with a minimum turn time of 19 sec, weight 13000 kg, wing load 339.4 kg / m2, thrust-weight ratio 1.28.
The wing load of the F-35 is slightly higher, the thrust-weight ratio is the same, 356 kg / m2: 339.4 kg / m2 = 1,0489 * 19 sec (turn time MiG-29) = 19.9 sec, which we observe.
Conclusion: the radius of the bend F-35 at the level of MiG-29.

Five-minute flight to La Bourget F-35, turn 4: 05 - 4: 25, 20 sec.

[Michael newage]

Even if for one second he agrees that the turn time there is comparable to 29 MiG, I think the level of this aircraft in Dogfight for 2017 is understandable. After all, the F35 for 100 million reached the level of turn 29 Miga 1982 for 20. Achievement which should be truly proud .

PS
In fact, there is the level of maneuverability of 21-93 or 23 MLD MIGs somewhere. But these are trifles, the main thing there is a lot of electronics, and super invisibility ...

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Michael Newage

In fact, there is the level of maneuverability of 21-93 or 23 MLD MIGs somewhere. But these are trifles, the main thing there is a lot of electronics, and super invisibility ...

That's right. F-35 will fall into dogfights less often than F-15 will fall into them.

[Shahno]

The turn is really 19.5 with acceleration from lane. 7g. Can you recount the time for 9g? Or help. And this is on one engine. I don’t see anything bad.

[Michael newage]

And for 9g what will be less or something ? Well, I’m not an expert, so an amateur, I don’t know how to count time and overload a turn on a video. Why are you so boasting about one engine then? Is this some kind of achievement? With two will be less a priori? And I thought it was not a matter of quantity, but of traction and a mass of overall parameters ...

[Shahno]

Yes, according to this parameter, the indicator is somewhere 19 deg / s, no worse than f16. Worse than su-27 -22 gr / sec. That is, you need to practically squeeze out the maximum of those possible to the maneuver from the tuning of the F135. equate with su.

[Michael newage]

Nothing to squeeze. If you increase the wing area, the speed will drop, and he’s already dead. The engine is also not much forced, this is not a new engine already. So let invent the invisible paint and improve electronics. Dog Fight ordered him from birth.

[Shahno]

Yes, no one hides that the goals are different. For this, the engine is one and without uvt.

[Shahno]

For the meat grinder we have f15-f16 420 pcs.

[voyaka uh]

"The engine also does not force much, it's not a new engine already" ////

They are working on the engine, although it is already the world record holder in traction. And the engine of the second stage of the T-50 will not come close to it. + 10% he will receive, and when the blades are replaced by ceramic and the weight decreases.

[Michael newage]

How much this old engine will produce and how much the product is 30. Write once you know everything.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Shahno

Yes, according to this parameter, the indicator is somewhere 19 deg / s, no worse than f16. Worse than su-27 -22 gr / sec. That is, you need to practically squeeze out the maximum of those possible to the maneuver from the tuning of the F135. equate with su.

What for? For example, the BVB "Python-5" missile has a range of up to 20km and overloads in 70g. What kind of dogfight can we talk about here?

[Michael newage]

Well, upload 40 of these pythons to your S-130 Hercules. Carry out a modernization, with a cost of a penny and the result on a rupee. And let him fly like a fighter, accompanied by AWACS aircraft. Dog Fight is not needed when there is a super duper python .

[Tusv]

Quote: Aaron Zawi

The option to work in stealth is of course completely closed. But it has often been argued that the F-35 loses much in dogfight to fourth-generation cars. Although test pilots denied this

Yes, God is shooting with a dogfight. The main thing scared the neighbors. The French and Swedes are not trusted, the Patriots too. It's time to build a new export line

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Tusv

Yes, God is shooting with a dogfight. The main thing scared the neighbors. The French and Swedes are not trusted, the Patriots too. It's time to build a new export line

Those neighbors who may not buy from you, but who want money do not have.

[Michael newage]

As if you have money. You are allocated military aid to you, and here you are buying it, suddenly American weapons, regardless of their characteristics. So look in your pocket better.

[Dobi]

states provide military assistance

States of Israel, you are Arabs, and who invested the money correctly?

[Michael newage]

Invested? Are we talking about fighting efficiency or investments? If it’s about investments (oh wei) then the Americans overestimate you much more than we Arabs. And how much have we helped the Arabs? T62M and Shishigi gave Assad? It’s ridiculous.

[Dobi]

Funny

Syria alone has forgiven $ 14 billion. in 2005, and since then they invested the same amount there, all pensioners laugh in unison with you, as well as sick doctors and other poor people.

[Michael newage]

God, here’s the training manual, sick doctors, pensioners ... bot with you, can you talk about something after this? You were there when supposedly duty, supposedly forgiven? And you know, on what terms, yes? I can also put an American flag and write garbage, see: "But in the states of tollerostia and cabbage rolls they serve in the army !!!! Ha ha ha we’ll tear these s !!!"
That's how you look with your retirees now, bot. Those Shishigi probably should have given them .

[Dobi]

You were there when supposedly duty, supposedly forgiven?

So they didn’t forgive. So we will write, Michael Newage said that they did not forgive. Look where they are.

[Michael newage]

Well, let's proof then. Should I hang my ears and trust the bot? Yes, Dobi said they were forgiving, though they merged when asked under what conditions once he knows everything. Once again, I counted someone else's money. You worry so much for our senior citizens that you always think?

[Tusv]

Quote: Dobi

Syria alone has forgiven $ 14 billion. in 2005

I repeat for people who think that it is a gift to write off. In lending, only penalties are forgiven, which can be thousands of times the principal debt, in rare cases, interest. Just imagine the debt from 1917 to the Paris Club. You won’t pay for 2 centuries. Redeemed in two years. This is called Copied
The body of debt is not forgiven to anyone. In rare cases, it is transferred for a rollback, as in the case of Iraq in favor of the United States or they sell defaulted debt for a penny

[Dobi]

Yes, everything is clear, Tusv said The body of debt is not forgiven, and Michael Newage said that they didn’t forgive. Does Syria know that they didn’t forgive? What about Vietnam? A Mongolia?

[Michael newage]

Yes, everything is clear, Dobi said that the stupid Rosiyan leadership gave the Arabs 14 lard for so. This is the same Dobi said. You can trust him. Without proofs. He is worried about our sick pensioners. Believe Dobi.

[Tusv]

Quote: Dobi

Does Syria know that they didn’t forgive?

Of course! Tartus and Khmeinim for Russia for free for many summers and a bunch of beggars, by the way, the Federal Republic of Germany on reparations paid off shares only 2 years ago

[Shark Lover]

Quote: Dobi

all pensioners laugh in unison with you, as well as sick doctors and other poor

It started))))))))))))))))))))))))))) Are you not a black man? Listen, why are you clinging to us, I am a senior citizen, laughing at you, come, I will show how we live and how to live. They got these already, sit behind a puddle and blather about what the press writes about them.

[stone]

Israel has foreign exchange reserves of about $ 100 billion if you are not in the know. But of course no one will spend them in vain, all the more there is help in the form of American military assistance. In fact, this is a payment for the given Sinai (Egypt also receives by the way), and for the role of a useful and reliable ally in the region. In addition, this money is almost completely returned back to the American military corporations.

[Michael newage]

Yes, eat do not cling to it. I am glad that you agree with me, spending your money on f35 is spending it in vain. I don’t know what’s happening with Sinai, but today you’re an ally so-so. Too much ambition and ambition. The Saudis are the main American ally in the region. To say that returning this money back to American corporations is like saying when it rains, water falls from the sky. If you hadn’t come back, and you bought Rafali for this loot, no allied kisses would have helped you and you would not have seen this money.

[stone]

First, Israel’s military budget is 18 billion. Therefore, from the point of view of financial opportunities, Israel is quite capable of giving up American aid and even replenishing 3 billion, well, say, through medicine and education, taking advantage of Russian experience.
Secondly, many in Israel have long been proposing to refuse assistance, because it is more beneficial to the Americans and to some extent ties its hands in the political sense.
Thirdly, if you buy F-35, it means that they want the Air Force, in Israel no one will buy airplanes because of economic or political benefits to the detriment of military requirements.
And fourthly, Saudi Arabia is not the main ally, but the main buyer of American weapons - yes!
In general, everything is complicated

[Professor]

Quote: stone

First, Israel’s military budget is 18 billion. Therefore, from the point of view of financial opportunities, Israel is quite capable of giving up American aid and even replenishing 3 billion, well, say, through medicine and education, taking advantage of Russian experience.

You will not convince anyone. For example, yesterday, "Gilead buys US-Israeli startup Kite Pharma for $ 11,9 billion." Billions of dollars will go to the treasury of Israel from this deal. This year we collected a lot more taxes than planned. The amount of "busting" exceeds US aid.
http://www.newsru.co.il/finance/28aug2017/kite310
.html

[Oleg7700]

"According to the report of the Ministry of Finance for 2016, the commitments of the Ministry of Defense (budget) amounted to 67 billion shekels. (19 billion dollars) And without the most recent distribution of the budget surplus, the Knesset Financial Commission added an army to classified articles well, a lot. ..

[Michael newage]

3 mld. out of 18. ... that's about 20 percent, when you make up and buy planes for your money, then we'll talk. I won’t be surprised if these planes cease to be of American origin. And until then, if my grandmother ...

Yes, yes to refuse .. ties his hands in the political sense ...))) What does this offer? Refuse freebies? As if Israel already does not conduct its policy putting on everyone with the device .... well, except for amers . And what remains today, either you are their mongrel, or you have little democracy, and if not nuclear weapons tolerant bombs can fly))) Without their patronage, another war with neighbors and the loss of the 1973 level await you. Yeah, how can I refuse))) Shavka will refuse freebies and protection)) You guys overestimate yourself there))) Jews will refuse freebies, a new joke)))

If you personally will not be someone let it be. Is there no corruption in your country? Do not la la.

You forgot about the military bases on their territory and the oil that they can give the United States, well, this is so little things. And what can you give besides loyalty? NOTHING. So ... The United States has lately been at the UN for you ... shit, have you not received this signal? Today they don’t need you as much as before ...

It’s not so difficult for me, apparently when viewed from the side, with an unbiased look, everything is seen easier.

[Zaurbek]

And also German ships and submarines ...

[MMX]

Quote: stone

First, Israel’s military budget is 18 billion. Therefore, from the point of view of financial opportunities, Israel is quite capable of giving up American aid and even replenishing 3 billion, well, say, through medicine and education, taking advantage of Russian experience.
Secondly, many in Israel have long been proposing to refuse assistance, because it is more beneficial to the Americans and to some extent ties its hands in the political sense.

In general, everything is complicated

Oh, again, these mantras about the fact that Israel does not seem to need this help, and indeed, only interferes ... Well, well, if it interfered, they would refuse (nothing, after all, 3 billion a year in all).
Well, the stories about how the USA “buys” Israel’s loyalty in this way are also from the evil one. The United States holds Israel very tightly for one place and leverage is much more powerful than just financial assistance.
As for the “Russian experience” in replenishing the military budget with “medicine and education”, Israel will undoubtedly have to do just that. How else? Either cut the military budget, or seek funds from the rest of the budget, to the detriment of other areas, of course.

[Tusv]

Quote: Aaron Zawi

Those neighbors who may not buy from you, but who want money do not have.

You still scare me Aron. In Egypt there is already an Anteyev regiment, in fact a military analogue of the C-400

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Tusv

Quote: Aaron Zawi

Those neighbors who may not buy from you, but who want money do not have.

You still scare me Aron. In Egypt there is already an Anteyev regiment, in fact a military analogue of the C-400

Yeah. Only the Saudi loan has already ended.

[Tusv]

Quote: Aaron Zawi

Yeah. Only Saudi loan has already ended

Wai Mei, do you know a country that has never taken a loan? And this is a military help: one and a half Egypt, three and two gigabaks per year to Israel and only so that you do not cross each other at the expense of the tax payer of the SyShyA peoples and the creedites of Japan, China and Russia
Early Aron You emigrated to your historic homeland. Did not finish learning Adnaka

[Siberia55]

Those neighbors who may not buy from you, but who want money do not have.

This is what the United States uses. Someone who can buy, make it themselves or get involved in the American commercial project f-35. And who can’t, but wants to "roll in the mirrors" to the world gendarme of the fascist inclination, show complete humility and receive "help"

[Kasym]

Aron, good evening!
John Farley (test pilot) about the Su-27. A full turn (360 degrees) of the Su-27 makes in 10 seconds., MiG-29 no more. "36gr. Per second ... we dream that it will be exterminated. The next generation will do 25 deg., And here the Russians have 36 !!!". - first int. the demon. Su-29 in Paris in 89g.
Maybe it’s speed, what is it doing? Although it’s all the same, because the pilot will try to fulfill it faster.
Movie "John Farley about the Su-27" can be found on the Internet.

[Shahno]

It’s just that the bend was not steady at su.

[Michael newage]

Pilot 35 in the dogfight will not care if the turn there was a turn or not, if they go to the "steady" six hours this way and a rocket flies into the hollow .

[Dead duck]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Fuel consumption without afterburner 0.61 kg / kgf * h, on afterburner 1.25 kg / kgf * h
2.5 minutes / 0.042 h, maximum mode, 13062 kgf * 0.61 kg / kgf * h = 7968 kg / h * 0.042 h = 335 kg
2.5 minutes / 0.042 h, afterburner, 19507 kgf * 1.25 kg / kgf * h = 24384 kg / h * 0.042 h = 1024 kg
Fuel consumption 335 kg + 1024 kg = 1359 kg (3000 lb)
Thus, the aircraft can be refueled no more than 4000 lb or 1814 kg
Take-off weight 13290 kg (empty) + 1814 kg (fuel) + 100 kg (pilot) = 15204 kg
Wing load 15204 kg: 42.74 m2 = 356 kg / m2
Thrust-weight ratio 19507 kgf: 15204 kg = 1.28
Mig-29 with a minimum turn time of 19 sec, weight 13000 kg, wing load 339.4 kg / m2, thrust-weight ratio 1.28.
The wing load of the F-35 is slightly higher, the thrust-weight ratio is the same, 356 kg / m2: 339.4 kg / m2 = 1,0489 * 19 sec (turn time MiG-29) = 19.9 sec, which we observe.
Conclusion: the radius of the bend F-35 at the level of MiG-29.

Sharply, taut and averaged.
Fuel from 6 + to 9 tons depending on the version.
42-58 sq.m wing
Dry weight from 13 + to 15 + tons.
Average from 22 + to 25 + tons.
Maximum speed from 27 + to 30 + tons.
Thrust 0.96 - 1.11
It turned out to be heavy for a single-engine.
And much more, but also not like possible working overloads.

[Stas157]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Jews will not take bad.

So they took it! No need to think in patterns. What is good there? It flies badly, it takes few weapons! Unsuccessful.

[Tusv]

Quote: Stas157

What is good there? It flies badly, it takes few weapons! Unsuccessful.

Then the s-400 already applications from 10 countries. The queues are already standing and Anthei 2500 is already in Egypt.

[Alexey-74]

Who is Israel interested in arming against?

[Thrall]

Quote: Alexey-74

Who is Israel interested in arming against?

Much more interesting for whom

[novel66]

ABOUT! Jews - they are so cunning that until the bomb falls on your head and you’ll understand

[Stas157]

Quote: Alexey-74

Who is Israel interested in arming against?

Good question. If we consider that their NATO countries are friends, it turns out only against us. Well, do not mind the ish!

[japs]

"Here is another proof of the success of the F-35. Jews - smart people and bad equipment will not buy."

Guys, everything is explained much easier.
You should see who is sitting there in the procurement commission. By relatives, they help relatives in the military industrial complex of mattresses. And imagine a percentile or two. Hand in hand washes.
Have you somewhere seen the conclusions about the combat use of these vaunted Fu-35s?
Secret And, in my opinion, it’s very secret ...

[irazum]

There, in Israel, for such dates real terms are received that the prime minister, the president ... have you made a mistake?

[japs]

Believe me, I was not mistaken at all! Not without reason, almost all lawyers are lawyers.
Jews have a very large practice, even in the Bible their tricks are described.

[irazum]

The best. And the doctors are also the best. And also nuclear physicists ... But you never know ...

[shans2]

we will have Lomonosov more)

[voyaka uh]

Here is a good photo. A pair of Israeli F-35
in two angles at the same time.

[novel66]

It looks, of course, like an iron ... but flying!

[sabakina]

Quote: novel xnumx

It looks, of course, like an iron ... but flying!

If you attach a steam generator from the bottom, it will look like mine.

[novel66]

the cord is not enough, and yours also flies?

[sabakina]

35 nozzles ro circle, 38 in the middle. I did not give full steam power, and why? Then catch him all over the apartment ...

[voyaka uh]

Here is the F-35 as well. At first, software limited its maneuverability to
5 G - they scolded him with a pregnant iron, now they have increased it to 7 G - it was shown on a show in Paris: it turned out that it could lead a close battle. And soon the restrictions will be lifted to 9 G ... - and "Catch him then throughout the apartment" .

[Dead duck]

Quote: voyaka uh

5 G - they scolded him with a pregnant iron, now they have increased it to 7 G - it was shown on a show in Paris: it turned out that it could lead a close fight. And soon they will remove the restrictions to 9 G.

And then patched to plasma guns and photon engines.

[Dead duck]

"Iron flies across the sky
From the country of israel
Well, let yourself fly
The piece of iron is strange. "

[starogil]

Yak 141, the same.

[voyaka uh]

Here is the Yak-141. Please note - THREE
jet engine. Two are for lifting only.
The F-35 has just one that transfers power to the fan.

[Setrac]

Quote: voyaka uh

Here is the Yak-141. Please note - THREE
jet engine. Two are for lifting only.
The F-35 has just one that transfers power to the fan.

The weight of the two additional engines is less than the weight of the driven fan.

[Dead duck]

Quote: voyaka uh

The F-35 has just one that transfers power to the fan.

technologies didn’t allow (and some nuances), that’s why they “stuck in the old fashion” additional lifting.

[irazum]

In which place?

[voyaka uh]

Back, as usual. From it goes the shaft to the fan.

[irazum]

This is me about the Yak-130.

[irazum]

Sorry, about the Yak-141.

[lance]

to be honest, handsome in the photo

[Zaurbek]

Airplanes of the first batch cost Israel $ 125 million per unit, the second - $ 110 million, fighters of the third batch will cost the IDF less than $ 100 million each. To date, five F-35А aircraft have been delivered to Israel, here referred to as F-35I Adir. By the 2021 year, it is planned to complete the delivery of fighters of the first and second batches (33 units), and by 2024, the number of them in the Israeli Air Force should grow to 50 (this will complete the two fighter squadrons). At the same time, the military department is considering the possibility of additional purchases of stealth fighters, including in the modification F-35B.


Not to the IDF, but to the US budget .... Deliveries go to the $ 3 billion annual aid from Israel from the US ...

[Stas157]

Quote: Zaurbek

third-party fighters will cost the IDF less than $ 100 million each

It turns out no more expensive than our Su-57.

Quote: Zaurbek

Deliveries go to the annual aid of 3 billion dollars from Israel from the USA ...

Does Israel need help? Under what conditions can I get this? They will not give us, by chance?

[Roman Skomorokhov]

Check out the Camp David deal. Everything is painted there. Egypt receives as much mirror.

[Zaurbek]

Moreover, if earlier, due to aid, Israel could buy weapons from its and third-party firms, then last year the contract was revised and now you can only buy production in the USA ...

[Holoy]

Israeli Air Force 100% Dominates the region!

[Ace Tambourine]

C400 dominates in the region, if something suddenly ...

[Holoy]

Gee ... So far, nothing. Their Air Force is banging Hezbolah right under the nose of the S-400, as they want ...

[sabakina]

I was not there then, but as they say, the Syrian pilots lured their fairies under our radars.

[Stas157]

Quote: Holoy

Their Air Force banged Hezboll right under the nose of the S-400, as they want ...

Okay, only Hezbollah, and our ally Assad, too! And this is a direct blow to our image.

[shans2]

3 downed girona confirm BGG

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: shans2

3 downed girona confirm BGG

The wreckage of at least one show?

[Professor]

Quote: shans2

3 downed girona confirm BGG

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Ace of Diamonds

C400 dominates in the region, if something suddenly ...

[Engineer]

US-promised aircraft for Iran.

[Coconut]

amerikosy give money to Israel ... Israel buys American planes worth PPC for this money ... question de money that gave Israel? would give immediately free planes why break the comedy ??

[dojjdik]

Duc, in fact, everything is possible for Israel, but comrade Kim the barbarian who has his own weapon is actually laughter when they say that Israel is buying something from the states, just an American bunch of Jews are transferring military equipment to their brothers and at the same time various types of bandits are financing some kind of igil in Ukraine some Christians and Muslims once in Lebanon, Albanians in Yugoslavia Mujahideen and then the Taliban in Afghanistan and other shelly

[MadCat]

while the Americans are bombing ISIS precisely Iran and are negotiating with them, so who is financing whom the question is.
Yes, and all those who did not please the hereditary President Assad are recorded in the igil immediately .... the truth then they agree again and voila ale op and they are already fighters for "freedom" .. Assad.

[Oleg7700]

http://www.warandpeace.ru/ru/news/view/123905/ "...По заявлению министерства, (обороны Израиля) из-за снижения цены будет рассмотрена возможность покупки большего количества самолетов для оснащения ими трех эскадрилий, вместо двух, планировавшихся ранее"

[Michael newage]

Quote: Dobi

Achievement to be truly proud of .

Well, duck rejoice ladies and gentlemen. soon the gallant Syrian Air Force, on the blasts 21 and 23, will spread the Israeli Air Force in dogfights.

Yes, yes, without 35 you can’t compete with the Syrians on 21 MiGs, here I agree with you.

[stone]

Of course, do not compete! The Syrians will not even take off, their tactics in the last 25 years in dogfights with the Israelis are not to take off

[shans2]

this is the past, but the Jewish pain and sadness is Cast Lead, but now it’s so ...

[Siberia55]

Dobi,
Yes, good luck, good luck with your f-35. Happiness to Israel. In what fat Israel will show time. I like to be suckers - a flag in your hands. You can drool further on f-35 and all better.

[_Jack_]

What are they suckers then? What do combat aircraft get from the USA for free? They do not buy them either for their own, but for those that the United States allocated to them, we would have such lust, let it never happen, we are all ourselves.

[DEPARTMENT]

Israel is preparing for war .. But just with whom ..? Netanyahu frequented Putin! Well, Russian fighters do not scare it for sure .. The purpose of Iran? Ah Israel, and it’s better not to try to agree with the Arabs, and not show off throwing and arming with such expensive toys, who do you want to scare ..? Remember your "Phantoms" shot down over Egypt with aces pilots ..

[like this]

Why negotiate with those whom they always beat and will beat?

[DEPARTMENT]

Quote: here you go

Why negotiate with those whom they always beat and will beat?

Alas, now the Russians have settled there! Beating babies will not work ... Let them check and we are interested in testing all of our air defense!

[like this]

experienced in the Turks? for whom did they bring down the Syrians? even if you imagine such a kapets, how would the Jews drown out this defense? unlike us, they don’t fight back with blood embargoes on tomatoes

[DEPARTMENT]

Quote: here you go

experienced in the Turks? for whom did they bring down the Syrians? even if you imagine such a kapets, how would the Jews drown out this defense? unlike us, they don’t fight back with blood embargoes on tomatoes

They will mark you soon .. They now need such screamers! Good luck in betrayal .. (you will succeed ..))))

[like this]

those. tell the truth is this betrayal? well, basically it’s logical

[And Us Rat]

Quote: DEPARTMENT

there are now Russian settled

Not the first time, learn the story of Vitalik.

Quote: DEPARTMENT

Beating babies will fail

Or history will teach you.

Quote: DEPARTMENT

all our air defense

Straight all at once? So zapulite a dozen or two ICBMs in the United States and test your health!

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: DEPARTMENT

we are interested in testing all of our air defense!

The cunning wizards again saved - instead of using high-tech missiles to fire, Prime Minister Nitanyahu was sent to Moscow - and it would be cheaper and the GDP would not be boring ....

[shans2]

When did they beat Iran and Hesbollah?) It seems the hesbollah was stuffed with someone))

[And Us Rat]

Quote: shans2

When did they beat Iran and Hesbollah?) It seems the hesbollah was stuffed with someone))

Then why was the ceasefire on Israeli terms?

[Neksel]

Quote: DEPARTMENT

Target Iran? Ah Israel, and not better try to negotiate with the Arabs

Iranians are not Arabs, but Persians.

[Neksel]

Quote: DEPARTMENT

Remember your "Phantoms" shot down over Egypt with aces pilots ..

Well, here everyone has something to remember. For example, your MiG and aces pilots shot down over Egypt? (Operation Rimon)

[Neksel]

Quote: DEPARTMENT

Israel is preparing for war .. But just with whom ..?

Si vis pacem, para bellum.
So you have to keep the powder dry.

[irazum]

Father! In Iran, not Arabs, but Persians, and they hate Arabs (Sunnis) fiercely, almost like Jews. And this feeling is absolutely mutual. Learn the mat. part, Father!

[Velizariy]

Quote: irazum

Father! In Iran, not Arabs, but Persians, and they hate Arabs (Sunnis) fiercely, almost like Jews. And this feeling is absolutely mutual. Learn the mat. part, Father!

Yes, this clicker smears the honorary title of Patriot with excrement, profane him, thanks to such, the word "patriot" takes on a bad connotation and people feel ashamed, because there is an association with this ... with the writings of this figure.
Perhaps he deliberately does this, achieving someone's goal of denigrating the title of patriot. It is thanks to these that the expressions “scribbler”, “scribbler” appeared ...

[And Us Rat]

Quote: DEPARTMENT

... shot down over Egypt with aces pilots ...

Especially 30 July 1970 year.

[Tolstoevsky]

And don’t go to your grandmother - against the Palestinian VKS

[irazum]

That's for sure! Against them!

[like this]

f 35 The ONLY 5th generation fighter that you can buy. Jews and bought. is logical. I almost forgot, pendo s-tan is the only country that has these same fifth generations. prototypes and drawings do not count.
one can say a hundred times which 35 is bad, but when we launch 5 in a series (12 pcs a series?), they rivet the sixth generation

[Michael newage]

We must immediately begin to do the seventh, after su 57 so we outwit them . Well, or as soon as a batch with engines of the 2nd stage enters the troops, to say that it is so much better than a raptor that according to our classification it is already the sixth. Not well, but what? The main thing is to say in time, and not what is there .

[lance]

how much did you drink? let them cope with our ++++ first

[From the Nile to the Euphrates]

The bigger, the better. It's time to return the Jewish lands.

[Michael newage]

How much is a dumb provocative commentary to raise wed ... from a bot like you?

[From the Nile to the Euphrates]

with such questions to you in the mosque, and what I think is writing

[Michael newage]

Your wretched little world is divided only into those who go to synagogues and mosques? Judging by this, there’s especially nothing to think about, so it’s better not to write

[Velizariy]

Quote: Michael Newage

How much is a dumb provocative comment

This question can be addressed to the DEPARTMENT)))

[And Us Rat]

Quote: From the Nile to the Euphrates

It's time to return the Jewish lands.

Do we have enough parasites?

[shans2]

here I read Kota Motya, and then you are like that on TOPwar, it’s such a bastard in your head, you Jews, you really are a sect)). In fact, the Golan in your 18 will be taken back to the owner.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: shans2

here I read Kota Motya, and then you are like that on TOPwar, it’s such a bastard in your head, you Jews, you really are a sect)). In fact, the Golan in your 18 will be taken back to the owner.

If you don’t take it, then will you leave the site yourself?

[And Us Rat]

Quote: shans2

here I read Kota Motya, and then you are like that on TOPwar, it’s such a bastard in your head, you Jews, you really are a sect)). In fact, the Golan in your 18 will be taken back to the owner.

Will they come and beg to tearfully, until they shut us up with a whining?
Py.Sy. - The Golan has already been in the hands of the owner since 67.

[Dobi]

Tusv,

Of course! Tartus and Khmeinim for Russia for free

What about Vietnam? And Angola, and Nicaragua? What about Mongolia? A Afghanistan? A Iraq? A Libya? A Cuba (90% OT 31,7 billion USD)?
Etc.

[Michael newage]

You forgot North Korea, Cambodia, Yugoslavia ... oh sorry, I thought you list the countries in which the Americans managed to bring a little democracy. In the form of bombs. Not well, but what? They were not tolerant and democratic enough, and they had to be killed a little. Well, let them gut out for fun ... Well, do you feel sorry for someone of these subhuman people, since they do not share American values? And our Dobi bot is very democratic and tolerant. What a flag he has. Dobi loves American values. Pensioners are very fond of Russian and therefore sticks their nose in someone else's pocket. Dobi, or maybe you’ll out of your pocket and throw a little to one senior citizen. I have a friend, I'll give you a phone throw 500 rubles per number. This is somewhere around 10 dollars for yours. Kopeks, do not be tight. Prove so to speak your case in the dispute in practice. And then Russia writes off debts to everyone, it does not pay pensioners. Well, maybe Dobi will help. He has a salary bot, he probably has a currency. So what do you say Dobi? And you protect American values ​​and help a person!

[Dobi]

You forgot North Korea, Cambodia, Yugoslavia

And which is typical, no one except S. Korea wants to have business with you. Even the former countries of Yugoslavia.

I have a friend, I'll give you a phone throw 500 rubles to the number

Here, again, beg, as in the early nineties.

[Michael newage]

North Korea only deals with the Chinese, so by the boat. With amers, but they want to have all things to not be bombed, right?
Nobody begged here, no need to jingle yap. You were offered to confirm your boltology by deed, you were blown away and started to lie. Free shorter than a botan, ask your owners for a training manual for you, near-by trolls to update. And then look rotten.

[Dobi]

I have a friend, I'll give you a phone throw 500 rubles to the number

Your words? means a beggar.

[Michael newage]

Quote: Dobi

Funny

Syria alone has forgiven $ 14 billion. in 2005, and since then they invested the same amount there, all pensioners laugh in unison with you, as well as sick doctors and other poor people.

Your words? So yap cheap.

[Dobi]

I’ll give you a phone, throw 500 rubles to the number

That’s it, I don’t give more to beggars.
Ah, special for you

[Michael newage]

Merged? It is high time... Go make a report to the owners, how you defended democracy and was heroically dipped his head a few times in the toilet, for his bragging foolishness . Weak of you trolls, it is not surprising that the "Russian hackers" have already become a meme. With you, near-by bots, you don’t need to strain much. Come on, foolish thing ...

[lance]

I don’t understand in any way - it’s envious that Russia can afford it, but the USA and Israel do not. duck everyone knows for a long time that the Russians take care of the soul, and the United States and them more than jo ... pu

[kotuk_ha_oxote]

Israel buys planes, and the seats are torn apart by a jet from the Russians. I love threads about F35. Envy drips from the monitor.

[Michael newage]

I would be jealous if they sold f22 after modification. And so ... you say, well, the plane is rubbish, and the guys are offended and let's protect the American hosts. Disbelief in kickbacks also touches. No, how is it that smart Jews will not buy trash for a lot of money. Only money is not theirs, and they are smart in that part that you can get a lot of money from kickbacks, and what to fly on, in principle, is not so important in that region. What is Iran with Tomkets, Phantoms and 29 MiGs of 82 years old? In short, not the Russians. In topics about SU57 and T14 the same booth. New weapons, old disputes.

[kotuk_ha_oxote]

If Iran has fast aviation, then these are Iran’s problems and this does not mean that Israel should equip its air forces with bad airplanes.

Were there kickbacks or were not - xs. But there was money, and the planes enter the Air Force and fly. Now, if there were supply disruptions, frequent breakdowns, TTX mismatch with customer requirements, this would be a reason for analysis. By the way, things are much worse with us.

[Michael newage]

Yes, let them eat do not slap. They want to buy and bombard camels from a fighter for 100 million. But I don’t have to frighten over this circus now, so that their feelings do not go away ?
What's worse? The fact that we ourselves glued aviation, and Israel buys it for thanks and then puffs out its cheeks? Or have the Air Force bought and put into service an aircraft that cannot go into battle? The fact that such performance characteristics suit them is how you say the problems of Israel. What is there to envy dear? There is no jealousy, but you are there too .. oh what great fellows, oh what smart little ones they all flies they are all afraid of them. Lalkam threw a bone from across the ocean and now the bobics work it out, simultaneously engaged in self-hypnosis. Well good luck, che.

[MadCat]

Quote: Michael Newage

The fact that we glue aviation

Who are we"? you don’t yet learn how to glue toilet bowls in your village.

[Michael newage]

And what can I answer you about this? Ask where did the conclusions about the viper come from and what's wrong with living in a village? Why didn’t the toilet bowls please you and what have they to do with it? Who are you to poke and what you don't like about us? Ask you where are you from? Send you on foot erotic? So many questions. Maybe you just close your mouth and won't bore me? Do me a favor ...

[kotuk_ha_oxote]

Then where are such heated discussions? Probably out of jealousy, that the American "flightless" is in demand more than our non-equal world.

Our MO in neighboring Israel is something and SU-34, and SU-35, and SU-30, and even the aircraft carrier drove in order to apparently bombard the camels. And finish off with cruise missiles. Armored camels. Or is there still where and against whom to use the latest technology and weapons?

[Michael newage]

I say, such discussions are due to new types of weapons. About the demand. So far they have sold 35 not so much. And "their" customers simply have NO choice. Americans sold a series of f16 fighters more than we MiG 29. And we a series of Su 27-35 more than they f15. And here so far there is nothing special to compare with us. 5th generation, we have not yet driven to Syria. She's not ready yet. American 35 by the way too. And they buy their 35s against Iran, but there, as I already wrote an outdated park, so this is a run ahead of the engine, and the plane is not ready, and when it will be ready ... In general, in my opinion my position is clear ...

[not main]

Quote: Shahno

Everything must be watched in proportion. Israel 8 with a small million people, an area of ​​50 × 400 km. Fighter aircraft 85 f15,330 f16 + 5 (50) fNUMX + combat experience. And compare. Well, with Turkey it’s understandable. About the rest in BV it’s even sadder.
Compare at least with the Russian Federation with its considerable area .....

And compare! Just add the MiG-31, Tu-22M3, Tu-95SM, Tu-160, and do not forget about MiGs and Sushki, which are now opposed to adversaries!

[Shahno]

So the conversation about fighter aircraft was ....

[lance]

f-35 is a good toy against banana republics, it’s dangerous to fight against them against su-27 and mig-29, but with + il ++ it makes no sense. but if bananas are bought with s-300, then together with the rest of them, the Fushka will have nothing to do even in bananas.

[not main]

Quote: Shahno

So the conversation about fighter aircraft was ....

Yes, you sho? F-22 and especially F-35 fighters? Then really include our Su-24 in fighter jets!