Russian Armed Forces completely got rid of import dependence in the field of IT

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The Russian Armed Forces have completely overcome the dependence on imports in the field of information technology, reports RIA News the message of the Chief of the Information and Telecommunication Technologies Development Department of the Ministry of Defense Maxim Bets.

Russian Armed Forces completely got rid of import dependence in the field of IT


According to him, “in ten years, the Russian industry has made a significant step in the development of modern information technologies.”

Today we can say with confidence that the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in this area have completely freed themselves from import dependence. This was confirmed by the Army-2017 forum itself,
Betz said at the end of the roundtable on the use of cloud technologies in the interests of the military.

The meeting was held in the framework of the International Military-Technical Forum "Army-2017".

He recalled that the forum was attended by "over 1,2 thousands of enterprises and organizations that presented more than 18 thousands of developments and technologies in the field of defense and security."
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  1. +31
    27 August 2017 17: 28
    Something seems to me that “Hurray” is too early to scream ...
    1. +13
      27 August 2017 17: 29
      Need to be baptized ...
      1. +9
        27 August 2017 17: 30
        Quote: bk316
        Need to be baptized ...

        Well, so "baptized" who's stopping you. In the meantime, Linox wakes up at the heart of many of our military programs, shouting "Hurray" - EARLY
        1. +11
          27 August 2017 17: 33
          And why did not linux architecture please you?
          1. +11
            27 August 2017 17: 36
            Quote: Astoria
            And why did not linux architecture please you?

            The fact that it is NOT OUR ... This is "free architecture" and what and who "got it" there, you still need to figure it out.
            The OS for our MO should not be familiar to our "foreign partners", so that later they would not find "surprises"
            1. +41
              27 August 2017 17: 39
              As if all the code is open. And you assemble the system yourself, from what you need. And all the code can be safely checked. If you do not understand, do not write.
              1. +8
                27 August 2017 17: 42
                Quote: Muvka
                As if all the code is open. And you assemble the system yourself, from what you need. And all the code can be safely checked. If you do not understand, do not write.

                Yes, I was more familiar with them and I’ll say right away that I didn’t feel much enthusiasm. Oh, the “bespectacles" boasted, but the system crashed in the first month of operation ... and MO paid a lot of money for it.
                I remember "Casper" promised his unique "OS", for the Moscow Region and other government agencies - where is it?
                1. +7
                  27 August 2017 19: 11
                  On February 15, 2017, the system was officially released.
                2. +1
                  28 August 2017 02: 36
                  Yes, I was more familiar with them and I’ll say right away that I didn’t feel much enthusiasm. Oh, the “bespectacles" boasted, but the system crashed in the first month of operation ... and MO paid a lot of money for it.

                  "For her" or "him," bespectacled bespectacled?
                  Linux, you see, is free, like all (almost) what's on top.
                  My system plows 24/7 years. And nothing.
            2. +8
              27 August 2017 17: 41
              The fact that it is NOT OUR ... This is "free architecture" and what and who "got it" there, you still need to figure it out.
              - that is, instead of sorting it out, you suggest reinventing the wheel. And in other matters, this is not a cause for dispute. laughing
            3. +14
              27 August 2017 18: 11
              Quote: svp67
              Quote: Astoria
              And why did not linux architecture please you?

              The fact that it is NOT OUR ... This is "free architecture" and what and who "got it" there, you still need to figure it out.
              The OS for our MO should not be familiar to our "foreign partners", so that later they would not find "surprises"

              To do this, programs must not be written in earthly logic and in the language of Martians. Mathematics, logic, physics, mechanics are international. The language of presentation of any concept is a thing easily digestible by a specialist. You do not understand what you are writing about.
              1. +2
                27 August 2017 18: 13
                Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
                To do this, programs must not be written in earthly logic and in the language of Martians.

                Or maybe in the TRINITY CODE? As it was already, in the USSR
                1. +8
                  27 August 2017 18: 16
                  Quote: svp67
                  Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
                  To do this, programs must not be written in earthly logic and in the language of Martians.

                  Or maybe in the TRINITY CODE?

                  Give it a try. You are not talking about code, but about logic. There are only two concepts in logic. True and false. By entering the third, you break not the code, but the logic. Anyone will go crazy from this.
                  1. +3
                    27 August 2017 18: 19
                    Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
                    Anyone will go crazy from this.

                    Well, the Soviet systems worked and EXCELLENT, for those years ...
                    1. +3
                      27 August 2017 19: 31
                      Quote: svp67
                      Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
                      Anyone will go crazy from this.

                      Well, the Soviet systems worked and EXCELLENT, for those years ...

                      You still decide. There are an incredible amount of codes. But the logic is binary. Existing digital elements with a third (disabled) state do not have logical definitions.
                      1. 0
                        27 August 2017 23: 24
                        Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
                        Quote: svp67
                        Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
                        Anyone will go crazy from this.

                        Well, the Soviet systems worked and EXCELLENT, for those years ...

                        You still decide. There are an incredible amount of codes. But the logic is binary. Existing digital elements with a third (disabled) state do not have logical definitions.

                        Dubovitsky, what happened to you? Have you changed your nickname and started a new life on the forum?
                        Now, in essence. A question for you to fill in: Let's weigh two objects A and B on an ordinary lever scale. The scales will easily allow us to determine two opposites: weight A> B and weight A <B. But is that all? But what about A = B? It turns out that the problem of the weight of A and B has three solutions.
                        The logic of everyday life is difficult to shove into the black and white picture of bivalence - many thinkers have realized this. As a result, non-classical logicians were born who abandoned the law of the excluded third.
                        And now let's talk about the ternary number system ..))
                      2. +1
                        27 August 2017 23: 27
                        Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
                        But the logic is binary. Existing digital elements with a third (disabled) state do not have logical definitions.

                        The triple logic was very convenient in computers with memory on magnetic cores. States: 1, 0 (demagnetized) and -1.
                    2. 0
                      28 August 2017 10: 31
                      Quote: svp67
                      Well, Soviet systems worked and EXCELLENT
                      yes, especially OS-360 copied from IBM
                2. +1
                  27 August 2017 19: 12
                  And even better - analog .. wassat
                  fool
                3. 0
                  27 August 2017 19: 42
                  Quote: svp67
                  Or maybe in the TRINITY CODE? As it was already, in the USSR

                  There is a signal
                  no signal
                  phase???
                  1. +2
                    28 August 2017 19: 28
                    There is a signal
                    no signal
                    phase???

                    If I remember correctly + - 0
                    1. 0
                      28 August 2017 21: 19
                      Quote: bk316
                      If I remember correctly + - 0

                      However, electricity does not have zero. The current is either there or not.
            4. +7
              27 August 2017 18: 12
              The fact that it is NOT OUR ... This is "free architecture" and what and who "got it" there, you still need to figure it out.

              in general, Linux is a completely open-source work of mine, there are PURE Russian builds.

              in fact, new OSs do not appear, because everything has already been invented, and creating on the basis of the linux kernel - your own assembly with the necessary requirements - this is a normal and reasonable solution.

              even Apple didn’t invent anything and took Linux as the basis of their OS
              1. +4
                27 August 2017 18: 23
                Quote: Gorjelin
                in fact, new OSs do not appear, because everything has already been invented, and creating on the basis of the linux kernel - your own assembly with the necessary requirements - this is a normal and reasonable solution.

                And because of this, they “collapse” with enviable regularity ... More and more “holes” in them are found in them ...
                For Moscow Region and other important government agencies, an “OS” is needed that does not give a chance to a person who has mastered the basics of programming to “bring them down”. Moreover, they must be protected from professional crackers.
                1. +15
                  27 August 2017 18: 35
                  And because of this, they “collapse” with enviable regularity ... More and more “holes” in them are found in them ...

                  my server on linus has been working steadily for several years)

                  damage frequency and safety depends on the degree of curvature of the hands of those who support the platform

                  the creation of a certain “our” bicycle OS is an extremely strange decision, a new OS:

                  1 - with a guarantee it will be vulnerable and with a huge number of bugs that have been caught for years in any complex product,
                  2 - there simply will not be specialists who can support the OS, and training in sufficient quantities for the entire defense industry is very expensive and worthless.
                  3 - for any environment, a huge amount of software is required, for Linux all software already exists, for some new OS everything will need to be created first (and then updated and maintained), can you even imagine how much work this is? tens of thousands of specialists in various fields around the world are doing this.
                  4 - on the basis of Linux, a competent specialist with brains will be able to create an absolutely safe environment, which in the end is done.
                  1. +5
                    27 August 2017 18: 58
                    +
                    there are controversial issues, in general you are right ...
                    If you add that, and hardware, our security increases ...
                    Let the technical process of our chips, clumsy, but he our!
                    about p.o. you can not talk ...
                    The Russian Federation can create any specialized P.O. for its needs!
                    1. +2
                      27 August 2017 19: 02
                      If you add that, and hardware, our security increases ...
                      Let the technical process of our chips, clumsy, but it is ours!


                      Here are our own processors - and other microelectronics - this is what you need to do first! this is the foundation.

                      and inventing your own OS is something you can do without.
                      1. +8
                        27 August 2017 19: 18
                        OS or operating system is just a program, a program is a set of instructions .nix can be adapted to any chip and architecture
                        There is no bad resource made with us here about chips

                    2. +2
                      27 August 2017 19: 11
                      Hi Raheem! hi Linux was touched on here, so I remembered a joke:
                      Somehow, the programmer led his little son to the zoo. They walked, looked. And then they came to the penguin aviary. Son pokes a finger and shouts: "Dad, look - Linux!" .
                      lol I have a mug from which I drink coffee - also with a penguin and a proud Linux inscription.
                      1. +4
                        27 August 2017 19: 23
                        Hello Pasha ..
                        I must admit that people can independently but collectively work on certain projects, and this example is one of them!
                        And the children ... they are so sincere children! laughing
                  2. 0
                    27 August 2017 19: 48
                    Quote: Gorjelin
                    ......
                    4 - on the basis of Linux, a competent specialist with brains will be able to create an absolutely safe environment, which in the end is done.

                    The basis of the stability of any system is isolation from the common world. The fool will sculpt the system, combined with other strangers, and in the second step try to protect it from external interference.
                    1. +2
                      27 August 2017 19: 54
                      it's just about the kernel - about ready-made and tested over the years program code (safe), which there is no need to re-write - on top of this code, you can create whatever your heart desires. I don’t understand, what does it have to do with other systems, associations, disconnections, etc. ... Why write a driver again, say, for a mouse?

                      firstly, linux is in no way integrated with other systems, unless, of course, this is required.

                      secondly, isolation is achieved by pulling out the Internet cable in the same way as for Linux, for Windows and anything else, otherwise the system is no longer isolated.
                      1. 0
                        28 August 2017 16: 58
                        Quote: Gorjelin
                        it's just about the kernel - about ready-made and tested over the years program code (safe), which there is no need to re-write - on top of this code, you can create whatever your heart desires. I don’t understand, what does it have to do with other systems, associations, disconnections, etc. ... Why write a driver again, say, for a mouse?

                        firstly, linux is in no way integrated with other systems, unless, of course, this is required.

                        secondly, isolation is achieved by pulling out the Internet cable in the same way as for Linux, for Windows and anything else, otherwise the system is no longer isolated.

                        I’m about this. Why connect the mines with the "Satan" optics with the servers of California, and try to create protection against penetration? Or nuclear material enrichment centrifuges?
                2. +4
                  27 August 2017 19: 14
                  97 percent of servers on Linux. Probably not due to the fact that they regularly "collapse." The problem is which build you use.
                3. +3
                  27 August 2017 20: 46
                  Quote: svp67
                  And because of this, they “collapse” with enviable regularity ... More and more “holes” in them are found in them ...

                  You are talking about a universal OS .. for the MO such OSs are needed only in office computers .. Computers in combat systems have their own OS. Usually they are narrowly sharpened, stable to disgrace. In some places, micro-OS controllers generally work. Most likely this is what we are talking about.
                4. 0
                  28 August 2017 02: 41
                  And because of this, they “collapse” with enviable regularity ... More and more “holes” in them are found in them ...

                  Please provide examples of collapse.
                  "OS" does not give a chance to a person who has mastered the basics of programming to "bring them down".

                  It’s not said by me: “Everything that is created by man can be broken”
              2. 0
                27 August 2017 22: 02
                Apple seems to be based on freebds
                1. 0
                  28 August 2017 02: 45
                  FreeBSD
                  Not. BSDIV
            5. +2
              27 August 2017 18: 55
              Kaspersky Lab has already created its own OS. It is intended for industrial facilities and industry in general. Nothing seems to stop using its modifications in the sun. request
              The Federal Nuclear Centers also have their own software, as far as I know. There is something to switch to. But for the layman so far I have not heard anything serious and unique of our development. Maybe it just passed by. request
            6. 0
              27 August 2017 20: 25
              Linux systems are absolutely harmless, especially when all the installation packages are provided by our programmers and the whole thing is checked at the output of the FSB.
              Of course, VERY exaggerated!
              Much has been done of its hardware and software, but computers at workplaces have moms Gigabyte, MSI; Seagate hard drives, etc.
            7. 0
              27 August 2017 21: 20
              Quote: svp67
              The OS for our MO should not be familiar to our "foreign partners", so that later they would not find "surprises"


              I can criticize too!

              And offer!

              But who will do the OS with "0" !!!!!!! ?????

              So don't be smart!
            8. +3
              27 August 2017 21: 24
              Quote: svp67
              and who "nafigachil" there, still need to figure it out.


              source in free access in the form of a text file, take and read. Or laziness?
              Linux is so good that you collect it for your narrow needs, and it is your hardware.
              1. 0
                27 August 2017 23: 35
                Quote: lopvlad
                Quote: svp67
                and who "nafigachil" there, still need to figure it out.


                source in free access in the form of a text file, take and read. Or laziness?
                Linux is so good that you collect it for your narrow needs, and it is your hardware.

                Traditional modular architecture will never give a sufficiently effective solution for stability and speed. Any system assembled on the components of a common industry standard will be much less effective than a solution fully developed for the task.
                It is clear that the price of the issue is changing at times.
                But developers who mold their decisions from designers are doomed to be second.
                1. 0
                  28 August 2017 01: 29
                  Quote: osoboye_mneniye
                  Quote: lopvlad
                  Quote: svp67
                  and who "nafigachil" there, still need to figure it out.


                  source in free access in the form of a text file, take and read. Or laziness?
                  Linux is so good that you collect it for your narrow needs, and it is your hardware.

                  Traditional modular architecture will never give a sufficiently effective solution for stability and speed. Any system assembled on the components of a common industry standard will be much less effective than a solution fully developed for the task.
                  It is clear that the price of the issue is changing at times.
                  But developers who mold their decisions from designers are doomed to be second.

                  Unification and modularity reduces the time and cost of developing a new product. Here it is not necessary to confuse the production of a product with small circulations and mass production of a single type. For example, a car is a mass product, and it is profitable to design it only taking into account the experience of the like. A factory is being designed for a mass product. Those. the plant adapts to the final product. For small-scale, the product is adjusted to the existing production.
                  A purely special system operating in a unique production in the singular, of course. will be assembled from existing elements, like the Lego constructor. No idiot needs to work out performance, reliability and so on. for a single instance of the system.
                2. 0
                  9 May 2018 09: 22
                  Quote: osoboye_mneniye
                  But developers who mold their decisions from designers are doomed to be second


                  Naturally, the kernel source is still not a ready-made constructor and it doesn’t occur to anyone to name the developers of the same Android second, although they also have the Linux kernel at their core.
                  Now all OSes are divided into the LINUX kernel and the Windows kernel. There is simply nothing else in the world.
            9. +1
              28 August 2017 12: 19
              Quote: svp67
              The fact that it is NOT OUR ... This is "free architecture" and what and who "got it" there, you still need to figure it out.

              I’ll probably tell you a secret, but absolutely all popular systems - Windows, Mac, Android, OS-2, they are all based on Unix systems, they just sewn the necessary shell into them to open files like EXE, for example .. In Windows, for example, even there are Linux folders like etc and others .. Why invent something if there is a basic system based on which you can make any OS for any hardware ..
        2. +1
          27 August 2017 20: 25
          Firstly, not Linux but Linux, and secondly, what did the Linux kernel go for you? Opening fully architecture. And on this core as such, androyd and macOS and others are created. Reliably free and do what you want with it. Why reinvent the wheel? Or do you just the fact that it is not written in Russia do not like? So in our wasps, only kernel work algorithms are used, even the kernel itself has been redesigned. I do not see a problem ....
        3. +2
          27 August 2017 22: 10
          Well, so "baptized" who's stopping you

          Well, nothing seems to me.
          I wanted to explain to you about the military-oriented OS, but I read your comments about the enemy linukh architecture and the threefold logic of programming, and I realized it was hopeless (like a blonde about the andron collider).
          My good advice, do not write about what you do not understand from the word AT ALL.
          1. 0
            27 August 2017 23: 39
            Quote: bk316
            Well, so "baptized" who's stopping you

            Well, nothing seems to me.
            I wanted to explain to you about the military-oriented OS, but I read your comments about the enemy linukh architecture and the threefold logic of programming, and I realized it was hopeless (like a blonde about the andron collider).
            My good advice, do not write about what you do not understand from the word AT ALL.

            You would, with allegories to go broke, show a man his mistakes. I would also listen with interest. And so it turns out unconstructively. It would seem that it turns out that the Cardinal’s guards are around you, and you are the Dartanyan alone (I’m trying to explain this in a language you understand))
            1. +3
              28 August 2017 12: 23
              I would also listen with interest.

              You can’t explain anything to a person who writes about what he doesn’t understand; as a Chukchi, he is not a writer but not a reader.
              If you are interested in catching (duplicate in PM)
              1. Free architecture. The clever word "architecture" is out of place here at all. Free (open) Linux code, in the depths of which there really can be bookmarks. The architecture of the OS is nothing more than the principles of building a system, for example, modularity or the selection of a kernel or the allocation of the concept of a process. These principles are universal. Therefore, to say that we will not use someone else’s architecture, it’s like we will not build houses with a roof, because this (roof) is not the same as ours. As for the code, as already written here, there are assemblies with a FULLY rewritten kernel.

              2. Use ternary logic in programming. Programming implements human logic, and it is binary. The rest is to the psychiatrist. About the implementation of ternary logic in the USSR, a comrade heard a ringing, but does not know where he is. The ternary logic of the element base was implemented, but not the ternary logic of the applied algorithms. A simple example, the algorithm for loading a hunting rifle: break the barrel, check if there is any cartridge left in the chamber, if it was left, take out ..... So, "whether there is", this is a first-order predicate that implements binary logic. Try to implement the algorithm on k-valued logic. By the way, about yours point out errors, you first need to listen to the 2-semester matkib course, about k-digit logic, about finite state machines then you can point out errors.
              3. About accounting for all programmers as doctors. Physicians are taken into account because in wartime the need for doctors increases sharply, the number of doctors decreases and any non-working doctor will still help a person much better than not a doctor. Programmers at the forefront do not work, during the war they are not particularly needed, and most importantly, a programmer who does not work in his specialty or, say, programming in 1C, doesn’t need the defense industry.

              I can continue, but is it necessary?
      2. +3
        27 August 2017 17: 42
        Quote: bk316
        Need to be baptized ...
        Yes, what does it have to do with it, I don’t believe that all personal computers were replaced with domestic ones
        1. +8
          27 August 2017 18: 22
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          I don’t believe that all personal computers were replaced with domestic

          I quote
          Russian Armed Forces Completely Overcome Import Dependence in Information Technology,

          so what does the PC have to do with it?
          1. +1
            27 August 2017 19: 22
            Information technologies (IT, also - information and communication technologies) - processes, methods for searching, collecting, storing, processing, providing, disseminating information and methods for implementing such processes and methods (Federal Law No. 149-ФЗ); receptions, methods and methods of using computer technology in performing the functions of collecting, storing, processing, transmitting and using data (GOST 34.003-90) [4]; resources necessary for the collection, processing, storage and dissemination of information (ISO / IEC 38500: 2008)

            Information technology is a process that uses totality of funds and methods for collecting, processing and transmitting data to obtain new quality information about the state of an object, process or phenomenon.
        2. +2
          27 August 2017 18: 23
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          Yes, what does it have to do with it, I don’t believe that all personal computers were replaced with domestic ones

          And this is also a HUGE PROBLEM.
        3. +3
          27 August 2017 18: 26
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          Quote: bk316
          Need to be baptized ...
          Yes, what does it have to do with it, I don’t believe that all personal computers were replaced with domestic ones

          If the MOST imported computer works in isolation, without contacting with others (not known, probably hostile), then no imported filling will let you down. It’s harmful not the content of the processors, but the contacts on the network.
          The military only uses what definitely does not contain inherent malware. Prove it to them is very difficult.
          1. +2
            27 August 2017 18: 40
            Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
            If the MOST imported computer works in isolation, without contacting with others (not known, probably hostile), then no imported filling will let you down.

            It remains to remember the story of Iranian centrifuges that worked in the ISOLATED system ... but that did not save them.
            1. +4
              27 August 2017 19: 04
              Well, Iran is definitely not an indicator. Here recently there was material about their strike UAVs, the situation in the operator's room was very impressive, especially the bolts in the hands of the operators ... Iranians' statement about the isolation of their systems can be immediately questioned due to low staff discipline. And betrayal in the Middle East is quite commonplace. And as for the installation of the RF Ministry of Defense systems on Linex, this is the first step. Everything should work today, and then you can try your own clean.
            2. 0
              28 August 2017 01: 35
              Quote: svp67
              Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
              If the MOST imported computer works in isolation, without contacting with others (not known, probably hostile), then no imported filling will let you down.

              It remains to remember the story of Iranian centrifuges that worked in the ISOLATED system ... but that did not save them.

              Remind please. Off-line, have the operating modes of these centrifuges changed? Try to remotely change work that has no way out, except for the control cabinet.
              1. +3
                28 August 2017 01: 50
                Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
                Try to remotely change work that has no way out, except for the control cabinet.

                Found nimble bully the guys of the “mishandled Cossack” for a certain “bakshish”, who launched staxnet from the flash drive, which he “threw”.
          2. 0
            27 August 2017 19: 26
            Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
            If the MOST imported computer works in isolation, without contacting with others (not known, probably hostile), then no imported filling will let you down. It’s harmful not the content of the processors, but the contacts on the network.

            and who told you such nonsense?
            the French managed to steal information from cars in the Ministry of Color of the Kazakh SSR when no one thought about the Internet
            1. 0
              28 August 2017 01: 43
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
              If the MOST imported computer works in isolation, without contacting with others (not known, probably hostile), then no imported filling will let you down. It’s harmful not the content of the processors, but the contacts on the network.

              and who told you such nonsense?
              the French managed to steal information from cars in the Ministry of Color of the Kazakh SSR when no one thought about the Internet

              Still would. When the specialists who installed this technique serviced it and could delve into it when they needed to, what to expect good?
              Come on, I delve into your computer that does not have Internet access? Better in your absence.
              In the 60s, the IBM company, creating its IBM 360, provided it (for the convenience of the consumer, of course !!!) with the ability to inform the telephone network in teletype mode, the computer's communication with the manufacturer, which makes it possible to quickly find out, even earlier than the consumer, about the causes of failures , then what about decency and secrecy? Imagine, you did not call anyone, and suddenly a messenger appears on the threshold of the office with a new unit that needs to be installed in your car. Just a test routine informed him of such a necessary replacement.
          3. 0
            27 August 2017 19: 48
            Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
            If the MOST imported computer works in isolation

            By the way, how do you determine if it is isolated? !!!
            type of wiring is not connected? !!!!

            The specialists at the Center for Cybersecurity Studies at Ben-Gurion University have come up with several methods of hacking “isolated” PCs: using radio waves, electromagnetic waves, GSM networks, and even using the heat generated by a computer.
            1. +8
              27 August 2017 19: 59
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              ... came up with several methods of hacking "isolated" PCs: using radio waves, electromagnetic waves, GSM networks, and even using the heat generated by a computer

              Fresh tradition, but hard to believe ... tomorrow I will ask the system administrator what he thinks on this subject ...
              1. 0
                27 August 2017 20: 23
                I repeat, you stole when there were no system administrators or not, you can control the entire stuffing of the "mother", and you can stuff a lot of interesting stuff there
            2. +2
              27 August 2017 20: 25
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              several methods of hacking "isolated" PC

              You modestly kept silent about the fact that for this an “isolated” PC must already be infected with malware.
              For example:
              During operation, the fans make a sound at the so-called blade pass frequency, which becomes louder with increasing fan speed. A method invented by scientists allows increasing the speed of one or more fans in order to transfer information about encryption keys and passwords to a nearby smartphone or PC. Moreover, different rotation speeds mean binary values ​​of information that hackers want to receive. During testing, experts used a speed of 1000 rpm to transfer units, and 1600 rpm for zero. Before an attack, an “isolated” PC must be infected with malware that will allow you to manipulate the fan speed. Moreover, the PC infection procedure itself is not something very complicated, as evidenced by examples of attacks using the Stuxnet virus on Iran’s nuclear program systems, as well as an attack on the US military computer system using the Agent.btz virus.
              To receive a signal from an infected machine, hackers also need to infect the smartphone of someone who works near a PC with a virus that will decrypt audio signals and then send information to the hacker via SMS, Wi-Fi or via mobile networks.
              1. +1
                27 August 2017 20: 50
                Quote: region58
                For example:

                In this way, you can only communicate with the Morse code .. A less voluminous Old will have to be transmitted for years ..
                1. +2
                  27 August 2017 21: 12
                  Quote: dvina71
                  In this way, you can only communicate with the morse woman ..

                  It’s true, this is just an example ... but, let’s say, access codes to either find out enough of this.
                2. 0
                  27 August 2017 22: 24
                  this example was as a fact of possibility
                  in addition to that, you can pre-make additional stuffing on mom, vidyuhe or the screw itself
              2. 0
                27 August 2017 22: 23
                Quote: region58
                You modestly kept silent about the fact that for this an “isolated” PC must already be infected with malware.

                and yet without net using electronic bookmarks they stole info
              3. 0
                27 August 2017 22: 31
                An infected smartphone should be nearby, but if the mode forbids bringing a smartphone?
                1. 0
                  27 August 2017 23: 34
                  Quote: ZAV69
                  and if the mode prohibits bringing a smartphone?

                  once again, if the iron is made we do not have guarantees that it has no filling NO
                  1. +1
                    28 August 2017 00: 31
                    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                    if the iron is made we do not have guarantees that it has no filling NO

                    Well, how can I say ... for example, the Elbrus and Baikal processors are produced in Taiwan (TSMC), but the data for production is transferred in the form of a data file, which is actually loaded into the production line, and then add something ... to generally nifiga does not work ...
                    PS I wanted it easier to write, but something nakalamburil pretty ...
                2. +1
                  28 August 2017 00: 15
                  Quote: ZAV69
                  and if the mode prohibits bringing a smartphone?

                  It is the work of the competent authorities to exclude even the theoretical possibility of information leakage. However ... it was up to someone from the Iranian hard workers to look at the little workplace, well, he put the USB flash drive into the office computer, as a result, the stuxnet virus, which until that time had been wandering around the network and media for several years, got where it needed to, then the centrifuges were accelerated above the limit , well, dreams of a sound bonbon were covered with a copper basin ...
              4. 0
                28 August 2017 17: 37
                Quote: region58
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                several methods of hacking "isolated" PC

                You modestly kept silent about the fact that for this an “isolated” PC must already be infected with malware.
                For example:
                During operation, the fans make a sound at the so-called blade pass frequency, which becomes louder with increasing fan speed. A method invented by scientists allows increasing the speed of one or more fans in order to transfer information about encryption keys and passwords to a nearby smartphone or PC. Moreover, different rotation speeds mean binary values ​​of information that hackers want to receive. During testing, experts used a speed of 1000 rpm to transfer units, and 1600 rpm for zero. Before an attack, an “isolated” PC must be infected with malware that will allow you to manipulate the fan speed. Moreover, the PC infection procedure itself is not something very complicated, as evidenced by examples of attacks using the Stuxnet virus on Iran’s nuclear program systems, as well as an attack on the US military computer system using the Agent.btz virus.
                To receive a signal from an infected machine, hackers also need to infect the smartphone of someone who works near a PC with a virus that will decrypt audio signals and then send information to the hacker via SMS, Wi-Fi or via mobile networks.

                Do not read nonsense. And after reading, think as much as possible. The noise of a fan telling a sensitive microphone, pressed against the back of the wall ..... And transmitting in its tone the content of the document is 2 megabytes ....
                It’s better to read and be surprised again at the possibility of firing 200 km of copper chock from an electromagnetic rifle at an approaching tank.
                1. 0
                  28 August 2017 19: 27
                  Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
                  microphone against the back of the wall

                  Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
                  2 megabytes of document content

                  These are your fantasies.
                  Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
                  information about encryption keys and passwords on a nearby smartphone or PC.

                  But this was quoted by me (the Israelis are so perverted).

                  To date, for symmetric encryption algorithms, 128 bits (16 bytes) are considered a sufficient length of the encryption key.
                  A smartphone can be anywhere - on a table, in a breast pocket, etc.
                  I repeat - for all this, and for any acquisition of information:
                  Quote: region58
                  An “isolated” PC should already be infected with malware.

                  PS
                  Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
                  transmitting in its tone the content of the document is 2 megabytes ....

                  Remember dial-up ... not so long ago it was ... wink
            3. 0
              28 August 2017 01: 53
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
              If the MOST imported computer works in isolation

              By the way, how do you determine if it is isolated? !!!
              type of wiring is not connected? !!!!

              The specialists at the Center for Cybersecurity Studies at Ben-Gurion University have come up with several methods of hacking “isolated” PCs: using radio waves, electromagnetic waves, GSM networks, and even using the heat generated by a computer.

              That's right. And not only postings. But it is located in a room shielded from radiation, and the power supply through the network is equipped with good filters. In the 50s, the USSR has already introduced a system for managing power facilities that transmit information and control signals over a power network. Including overcoming transformer substations in high-voltage networks and vice versa.
              So, of course, postings. He, the infection, is to blame for everything.
        4. +2
          27 August 2017 22: 16
          Yes, what does it have to do with it, I don’t believe that all personal computers were replaced with domestic ones

          Why change ALL personal?
          And what does this have to do with "The Russian Armed Forces have completely overcome their dependence on imports in the field of information technology"?
          You do not seem to understand what the statement is about, let me put it simply:
          if now the West will completely ban the export of computers, components and software to us, then this will not become a problem for the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.
          Believe me, this is the case, unfortunately this cannot be said about the national economy as a whole.
          1. 0
            27 August 2017 23: 35
            Quote: bk316
            if now the West will completely ban the export of computers, components and software to us

            Well, the fact that it paralyzes the services of the same rear is an unambiguous fact
    2. +3
      27 August 2017 17: 34
      Maybe it's time to create a school of military IT specialists? As for me, it's about time.
      1. 0
        27 August 2017 17: 36
        And who will teach them? wink
        1. +3
          27 August 2017 17: 45
          And who the Queen and Kurchatov once taught? If you don’t know how to stuff cones, sooner or later we will come to this. It’s better of course before hi .
      2. +5
        27 August 2017 17: 44
        Quote: RASKAT
        Maybe it's time to create a school of military IT specialists? As for me, it's about time.

        There are military IT specialists, for protection, there are "contracts" with civilian universities. Every student who graduates from a university with a degree in “programmer” must be registered as a medical professional ...
        1. +2
          27 August 2017 22: 19
          Every student who graduates from a university with a degree in “programmer” must be registered as a medical professional ...

          This is nonsense, how are you far from programming ....
      3. 0
        28 August 2017 01: 05
        Quote: RASKAT
        Maybe it's time to create a school of military IT specialists? As for me, it's about time.

        I did not see a more dubious (incredibly mildly said!) Proposal. Have a university of secondary quality, a second-rate level, educating pariahs from science. What self-respecting future special after the start of training will throw shoulder straps? In such matters, either the romance of military service, or the desire to drown in the specifics of work, in papers and gigabits, having renounced many things around. Fulfilling the order, daily make discoveries. Something from the exploits of Baron Munchausen.
    3. +1
      27 August 2017 19: 05
      "Something seems to me that" Hurray "to scream early ..."
      Why? There is reason to believe that there is a failure?
      1. +4
        27 August 2017 22: 20
        "Something seems to me that" Hurray "to scream early ..."

        Programmers generally do not shout cheers.
    4. +3
      27 August 2017 19: 21
      Quote: svp67
      Something seems to me that “Hurray” is too early to scream ...

      The main thing is that the funeral should not be sung.
    5. +1
      27 August 2017 20: 58
      Tales of Grandfather Makar is.
    6. +2
      27 August 2017 22: 44
      “Today we can say with confidence that the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in this area have completely freed themselves from import dependence. This was confirmed by the Army-2017 forum itself.

      Something is recalled Stanislavsky with his imperishable "I do not believe!"
  2. +2
    27 August 2017 17: 28
    what interesting is the operating system in army pc?
    1. +10
      27 August 2017 17: 31
      Quote: vazxnumx
      what interesting is the operating system in army pc?

      "Service"
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  4. +2
    27 August 2017 17: 40
    Quote: svp67
    Quote: bk316
    Need to be baptized ...

    Well, so "baptized" who's stopping you. In the meantime, Linox wakes up at the heart of many of our military programs, shouting "Hurray" - EARLY

    And where do you get such information from?
    1. 0
      27 August 2017 17: 50
      They wrote here about Lin.
    2. +4
      27 August 2017 18: 13
      Quote: Mentat
      Quote: svp67
      Quote: bk316
      Need to be baptized ...

      Well, so "baptized" who's stopping you. In the meantime, Linox wakes up at the heart of many of our military programs, shouting "Hurray" - EARLY

      And where do you get such information from?

      Do you want to join too? Isn’t it too late? Or is there a desire to prove that our chips and software are a continuation of the English ARM and Assembler? laughing
    3. 0
      27 August 2017 21: 01
      From the camel.
      Just based on the fact that it cannot be otherwise. There are no better options in sight.
  5. +2
    27 August 2017 17: 51
    I am clenching my fists so that in this area they can do without the Red Tolik!
    1. +5
      27 August 2017 20: 30
      Quote: pp to Oparyshev
      I am clenching my fists so that in this area they can do without the Red Tolik!

      lol lol lol good
  6. +3
    27 August 2017 17: 52
    It’s somehow empty in the article! What have you changed? Or switched to a closed cycle of work with the ability to enter the network without detection by the enemy ?! laughing Perhaps they replaced hackers (legionnaires) with our 100% Russian! wassat
  7. +4
    27 August 2017 17: 56
    I didn’t understand what kind of information technology our industry began to produce? belay laughing Rashenvindovz or something in factories is cast in metal?
    As comrades, officials have already begun to talk, weaving what.
    1. +6
      27 August 2017 18: 08
      Quote: Proton
      I understood that ......... rashenvindovz

      Clever!? You will carry ,, cast iron ,, !!
      Or ,, leaky ,, vindovoz is the height of perfection what do you know?
      Not everything can be judged with the help of Oggogl laughing
      It would be possible to take the position of a skeptic, but you must have a minimum of information! Here is a minimum of help
      I can say starting from ,, iron ,, to ,, software ,, guys do not lie !!!
    2. +1
      27 August 2017 22: 01
      And what is the merit of the sun? They are users, they will use whatever they give to them ... They have no idea in information technology .... They cannot even formulate requirements for military information systems for 17 years ....
  8. 0
    27 August 2017 18: 01
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    Quote: bk316
    Need to be baptized ...
    Yes, what does it have to do with it, I don’t believe that all personal computers were replaced with domestic ones

    I’m a complete ignoramus here, but I heard from those who know: there are no longer any imported ones (the guy took 5 decommissioned ones). True, one claimed that he prefers any Chinese: they are more convenient and familiar
  9. +2
    27 August 2017 18: 05
    Here they are pluses, let them be weak so far, but their own, independent of anyone. Well, gentlemen, sanctioners, let them now look for other markets and thank their master.
  10. 0
    27 August 2017 19: 01
    Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
    Quote: svp67
    Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
    To do this, programs must not be written in earthly logic and in the language of Martians.

    Or maybe in the TRINITY CODE?

    Give it a try. You are not talking about code, but about logic. There are only two concepts in logic. True and false. By entering the third, you break not the code, but the logic. Anyone will go crazy from this.

    There is such a thing as "fuzzy logic", and so it is also possible intermediate states of truth and falsehood ... bully
    1. +2
      27 August 2017 19: 40
      Quote: Dzafdet
      Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
      Quote: svp67
      Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
      To do this, programs must not be written in earthly logic and in the language of Martians.

      Or maybe in the TRINITY CODE?

      Give it a try. You are not talking about code, but about logic. There are only two concepts in logic. True and false. By entering the third, you break not the code, but the logic. Anyone will go crazy from this.

      There is such a thing as "fuzzy logic", and so it is also possible intermediate states of truth and falsehood ... bully

      Mathematics does not apply such definitions. There either. Assumptions in the problem give predictive results. But the interpretation of such results can only be done by a person. A computer is a dull piece of hardware, for which a driver and a driver are different concepts. Only a human-made program can combine these concepts. The confusion of writing programs in ternary logic will destroy any benefits. And the reason for this lies in man. You yourself will in one case interpret one thing and in the other another. You will never agree with yourself about the uniqueness of the third concept. Philosophically, it is not precisely defined. So what the hell trying to make it specific?
      1. +2
        27 August 2017 19: 57
        Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
        Mathematics does not apply such definitions. There either. Assumptions in the problem give predictive results. But the interpretation of such results can only be done by a person. A computer is a dull piece of hardware, for which a driver and a driver are different concepts. Only a human-made program can combine these concepts. The confusion of writing programs in ternary logic will destroy any benefits. And the reason for this lies in man. You yourself will in one case interpret one thing and in the other another. You will never agree with yourself about the uniqueness of the third concept. Philosophically, it is not precisely defined. So what the hell trying to make it specific?

        Forum users are interesting people (judging by themselves)
        write answering their own thoughts and not the opponent ... wassat
        You are right and the people who write here do not understand what they are writing! laughing
        1. +4
          27 August 2017 20: 57
          Quote: himRa
          You are right and the people who write here do not understand what they are writing!

          Come on .. here the majority has a technical Soviet higher education. Just the magic of advertising .. Windows and our stump are everything ..
          1. +3
            27 August 2017 21: 41
            Quote: dvina71
            Just the magic of advertising .. Windows and our stump are everything ..

            I think the key all the same, Windows, creates the impression of a person who is far from programming, photos, videos, music in his ,, coolness, that is, without basic knowledge !!!
            and take away from such a brow ,, mouse ,, and people ,, hung ,, do not even understand that the manipulator ,, mouse ,, is not a means of entering information! Yes, and recently appeared on the background of computers in general ..
            And for many, a computer (microprocessor) = computer wassat
        2. +2
          27 August 2017 22: 23
          and the people who write here don’t understand what they’re writing

          Absolutely, just not much at all.
  11. +3
    27 August 2017 19: 08
    Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
    Quote: svp67
    Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
    To do this, programs must not be written in earthly logic and in the language of Martians.

    Or maybe in the TRINITY CODE?

    Give it a try. You are not talking about code, but about logic. There are only two concepts in logic. True and false. By entering the third, you break not the code, but the logic. Anyone will go crazy from this.

    -How do you manage to look so good and in a good mood?
    -I don’t argue with anyone ...
    But it’s IMPOSSIBLE!
    well ... impossible so impossible drinks
  12. 0
    27 August 2017 19: 23
    Did you make a calculator? (FROM)
  13. 0
    27 August 2017 19: 39
    To declare, do not turn coolies.
  14. 0
    27 August 2017 20: 07
    now we should stir up the conversion and show the citizens that the people and the army are united in this matter, that the results of the achievements of our military IT industry are also accessible to the citizens.
    And then it comes out weird. Due to the fact that civilians pay uncle bill, IT MO can not reduce the cost of production. But all the same, stubbornly does not establish sales for civilian consumers. Paradox...
    1. +2
      27 August 2017 20: 59
      Quote: osoboye_mneniye
      Paradox...

      The paradox is that you don’t understand .. The military from the computer needs very specific things, but you need selfies and po rn uh a .. Computers for the Moscow Region do not have such bells and whistles)))
      1. 0
        27 August 2017 22: 27
        Personally, I do not trust GCC ... Translate from 5 languages ​​... Why? For the main linux build tool
      2. 0
        27 August 2017 22: 33
        and tiny c compiler (tcc) under linux produces "segmentation fault" ...
      3. 0
        27 August 2017 23: 06
        Quote: dvina71
        Quote: osoboye_mneniye
        Paradox...

        The paradox is that you don’t understand .. The military from the computer needs very specific things, but you need selfies and po rn uh a .. Computers for the Moscow Region do not have such bells and whistles)))

        Suppose that civil turnover should be understood not only as the use of individuals. And even not so much the use of individuals as business.
        And for business, applications can be very different. Up to difficult climatic conditions, overloads, etc.
        Not so long ago I was interested in what our manufacturers can offer from laptops in terms of Toughbook. And it turned out that yes, there are solutions. On the imported element base, in domestic (or Chinese?) Cases, they are very inflexible and limited in their capabilities. At the same time, the price is not inferior to Panasonic. It is clear that normal volumes are needed for a normal price.
        But it seems that nobody needs a normal price. Therefore, they don’t go to the civilian sales sector. Does the state pay exorbitant prices for laptops? Pays. That's good.
        Familiar with one agency that goes under the military. They are generally cleverly done. They are also some kind of Russian manufacturer muddied "high-tech", such as you say "we need very specific things." Some complexes of Chinese components. In quality, respectively. The manufacturer sells these crafts in the Moscow Region at prices higher than the similar, and superior in specifications at times, German and Swiss equipment. But, since the terms of reference are prescribed strictly for these crafts, the Moscow Region pays. And the uncles in the leadership of this office, which milks the Moscow Region and writes the terms of reference, cynically prey on the purchases of this "hi-tech".
        Therefore, I say that the situation with super-achievements in the IT of the Russian Federation should be quite transparent. And there is only one way - production of products for civilian use. Otherwise, super-achievements will mean super-costs for cuts behind the screen of uniqueness and secrecy of products.
        And keep in mind one more thing. Even during the USSR, domestic microcircuits had only 16 legs, but as many as 2 handles for carrying. It is not possible to find ourselves in a competitive position on this issue after all our misadventures. This is if you are at least a little in the subject.
        Of course, you can measure on porn and selfies too. Who is closer.
        1. +1
          27 August 2017 23: 27
          Quote: osoboye_mneniye
          And keep in mind one more thing. Even under the USSR, domestic microcircuits had only 16 legs, but as many as 2 handles for carrying

          I read your multibookuff dosih lines ... And the point is to argue with the person who operates with such data?
          And yet ... you confuse the military computer and the technical (industrial) .. In which industrial computer is the function of changing the block or element "hot" implemented .. that's why the price.
          1. 0
            28 August 2017 00: 15
            Quote: dvina71
            Quote: osoboye_mneniye
            And keep in mind one more thing. Even under the USSR, domestic microcircuits had only 16 legs, but as many as 2 handles for carrying

            I read your multibookuff dosih lines ... And the point is to argue with the person who operates with such data?
            And yet ... you confuse the military computer and the technical (industrial) .. In which industrial computer is the function of changing the block or element "hot" implemented .. that's why the price.

            You surprise me ... your "multi-book" and the inability to determine the meaning of the allegory of two carrying handles give you out as a poorly understood person, what is the production cycle in solid-state electronics, and what resources should be spent on starting such production from scratch and bringing technology to a competitive level.
            It is very good that you are not trying to argue.
            Then let's move on to your categories - selfie and porn)) Talk about hot swapping ... yes, all modern Panasonic can do that. You would study the question before asking .. For example, http://business.panasonic.ru/computer-product/tou
            ghbook-cf-20
        2. 0
          28 August 2017 02: 05
          Quote: osoboye_mneniye
          .....
          And keep in mind one more thing. Even during the USSR, domestic microcircuits had only 16 legs, but as many as 2 handles for carrying. It is not possible to find ourselves in a competitive position on this issue after all our misadventures. This is if you are at least a little in the subject.
          Of course, you can measure on porn and selfies too. Who is closer.

          Why are we so behind in microelectronics? The reason is sadly simple. Planning system. This is our advantage and our sore. There is no competition. The manufacturer’s plan is tied to the buyer. It is impossible to take from another. Therefore, they took what is, and at any price. The state financed everything — production, transport, sales, etc. Over the years of my work in the design bureau at the plant (I ran a product at the price of 49 rubles), over 23 years, we removed five generations of this product from production. The latter cost 865 rubles. Clear. the functions were exactly the same.
          The plant was FORCED to discontinue the old ones, because over many years of cutting material, technology and labor, it brought the product to the state of a skeleton (it was impossible to carry out plans to reduce metal consumption, etc.), mastered a new one, but with a pre-laid fat. Industry institutes need to fulfill their theme. Therefore, together with the plant, they easily overcome the barriers of mastering the new. The buyer laid new prices in financial plans and also did not suffer a damn. Well, and the industry forging radio components had the right to have a profit of up to 24% per year. The question is, what the hell to work with your head? And to strive somewhere?
  15. +4
    27 August 2017 20: 53
    In all respects, screaming "Hurray" early.
    I do not like it when gentlemen Rogozins, Gryzlovs, and the like hit the timpani and demand to play a victorious march.
    Early. Yes, by and large, and not necessary.
    Do your work well and shut up meaningfully.
    So it would be calmer in my soul.
    1. +2
      27 August 2017 22: 26
      Yes, by and large, and not necessary.

      Well, why not? The people must be sure that their army has the best weapons.
      And so the howling of all-scribblers gives rise to despondency. And despondency is a sin.
      1. +3
        27 August 2017 23: 09
        I am not saying that it is not necessary at all. The information must comply with the requirements of today. All that is today is Linux-like systems. On their basis, something is written, something is being developed. All this works, well, thank God.
        Relations that we have our processors, other peripherals, etc., to put it mildly, do not correspond to reality. And wishful thinking is not smart.
        Rather, it is not appropriate for smart people. But Rogozin-like, I do not relate to these people.
        1. 0
          27 August 2017 23: 53
          Quote: japs
          The information must comply with the requirements of today.

          Information should not correspond to requirements, but objectively reflect the essence ...
          Quote: japs
          All that is today is Linux-like systems.

          Unix like systems !!!
          Quote: japs
          On their basis, something is written, something is being developed.

          It is written and developed by software tools, regardless of the system. Regardless of the computer model and the table on which it stands.
          Quote: japs
          All this works, well, thank God.

          I do not want to blaspheme ... but what does God have to do with it ?.
          Quote: japs
          Relations that we have our processors, other peripherals, etc., to put it mildly, do not correspond to reality.

          A processor in sensitive industries is already introducing its own, with its original architecture. For the population it is not yet offered. There are already devices for organizing network infrastructure.
          Quote: japs
          And wishful thinking is not smart.

          You are very far from this topic, because ....
          Quote: japs
          Rather, it is not appropriate for smart people. But Rogozin-like, I do not relate to these people.

          And to whom do you relate yourself?
      2. 0
        27 August 2017 23: 14
        Quote: bk316
        Yes, by and large, and not necessary.

        Well, why not? The people must be sure that their army has the best weapons.
        And so the howling of all-scribblers gives rise to despondency. And despondency is a sin.

        Do you believe everything they say to you on TV? There is a gap between hearing and being sure. Especially in modern times, when Potemkin villages are again in fashion in Russia.
        In St. Petersburg, communal services recently took part in a contest for the best square - they tied chopped branches to trees to make it beautiful .. It seems funny. But somehow it's not fun. Do you have guarantees that such approaches do not work in the Ministry of Defense? And then the officials are everywhere officials ... even in the Moscow Region.
  16. +1
    27 August 2017 22: 04
    In the process, MO and quantum computers will soon be in service, to process information.
    1. +4
      27 August 2017 23: 21
      Fiction is good for relaxation and entertainment.
      How many microprocessor manufacturing plants in Russia, or at least microchips?
      Taiwan, Malaysia and China. And how many factories for the production of equipment for such production.
      No one. There are screams about import substitution, real zero movements.
      The government can only privately privatize and broadcast about investments.
      "Marketers" are bad. Forgot the victorious bureaucratic screeching about the Vostochny spaceport?
      And what about the privatization of the Uralvagonzavod?
      My opinion is that there shouldn’t be any private owners in the field of defense! NO.
      IMHO.
      1. +1
        28 August 2017 00: 24
        Quote: japs
        "Marketers" are bad. Forgot the victorious bureaucratic screeching about the Vostochny spaceport?

        Of the participants in the discussion, as I understand it, no one clearly has an idea about the subject of discussion. In general, it seems that they don’t even know how we are currently import substitution in these areas. We glue the cartoons, but we still buy over the hill.
        What was the story with turbines for the Crimea))
        1. +2
          28 August 2017 19: 37
          From the participants in the discussion, as I understand it, no one clearly has an idea about the subject of discussion

          This is not surprising, how many IT specialists in relation to the population of 1% 2%? How many of them are engaged in critical OS things, security protocols, the development of processors and processor logic sets 2% 3%?
          How many of the bottom work for the military commissar 10%?
          Total 0,00001. But at the same time 99% say "vsefsevret". Not suggestive?
          1. 0
            29 August 2017 00: 35
            Quote: bk316
            From the participants in the discussion, as I understand it, no one clearly has an idea about the subject of discussion

            This is not surprising, how many IT specialists in relation to the population of 1% 2%? How many of them are engaged in critical OS things, security protocols, the development of processors and processor logic sets 2% 3%?
            How many of the bottom work for the military commissar 10%?
            Total 0,00001. But at the same time 99% say "vsefsevret". Not suggestive?

            I think that techies don’t say “you’ll”. Mostly technically uneducated patriots fighting for the image of Russia on the forum))
            For myself, I can say that by observing the development of civilian specialized instrument-making in Russia, and comparing it with instrument-making in developed countries, I can say that while we are walking along a beaten track and even lagging behind tactically. Even at the level of algorithms for the operation of the equipment. Where our signal walks 2-3 times through the same controller with corresponding losses, they generally have no modular construction, and instead of independent cycles of different processes, one common well-thought-out cycle is built, which gives a noticeable increase in reliability, energy efficiency and speed, even on the elemental base of one generation.
            This is because they have developers at the level of algorithms creating devices, and we are sculpting crafts from ready-made semi-finished products.
            Therefore, when I see what they offer to do software on the existing universal platform, the question arises associatively - yes, it is cheaper to develop, but it is a less effective and less competitive solution - why is it needed?
            I read your explanation above.
    2. 0
      27 August 2017 23: 36
      Quote: Vadim237
      quantum computers will appear

      Alas, the use of quantum computers is still a long way off. What the name "computer" does not pull ...
  17. +2
    27 August 2017 22: 05
    Well, if it really were true ...
  18. 0
    28 August 2017 00: 07
    “Taking a step” and “presenting more than 18 thousand developments” is still not “developing, training personnel and massively introducing”, which would mean “getting rid of import dependence”. And so the maximum that can be said is "if they give an order from above, and even implement it properly, then there seems to be a choice."
  19. 0
    28 August 2017 00: 25
    When Betz spoke, he probably had a store smartphone in his pocket, through which he was carefully listened to overseas.
  20. 0
    28 August 2017 00: 43
    osoboye_mneniye,
    For my obscene conversation received. Repeatedly. But it’s a pity to lose the audience and the opportunity to speak out. While the moderators endure, I will be present. And we'll see.
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    28 August 2017 01: 12
    osoboye_mneniye,
    You confuse the logical expression-true-false with the MEASUREMENT of two (many) concepts. Equality is a dimension. Concepts - the lie or truth of measurement of magnitude does not require Logic does not operate by comparing different truths or lies. They are not equal by definition, if only by virtue of different concepts assigned to these definitions. Truth is sweet is not equal to truth is black. If you switch to hexadecimal logic (and why you need to behave modestly and squeeze into a bit of information?) Then an incredibly flexible tool appears in your hands.
    Answer the simple question - how is it easier to lift a weight with a lever when it is rigid and not flexible, or with a lever having a hundred different joints installed where it is not known in advance?
    1. +2
      28 August 2017 12: 58
      You confuse the logical expression - true - false with MEASURING two (many) concepts

      This is not what you confuse, what you describe is called vector Boolean logic, and k-valued logics (k-valued functions) are defined just on the set 0 .. (k-1).
      Full-scale vector logic is used in programming; there is nothing new here.
  22. 0
    28 August 2017 01: 19
    And what do we already produce everything? And the process and memory and a complete set of kits? And everything is in military performance? It seems like not. Then what is getting rid of import dependence? Is that again overwhelmed by hohlyatsky?
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    28 August 2017 07: 05
    Another bravura ----- and stupid counted about success!
    But but but
    1) All our gentlemen are military men and their wives, children use mobile phones .. but in fact these are the ears of the family! and eyes! so loud replaced ... on military equipment yes .. maybe BUT NOT FACT! in linukha there are Codes which at the level of iron open such things that many are silent! So there is no need to fuss too much .. hardware not only consists of software but also hardware tabs and so on!
    2) The programs of the subcontractors as they were not protected and still are! and they make orders for DEFENSE! so LIES PURE WATER! not only cleans his desk .. but also those who work for you until the second knee!
    1. +2
      28 August 2017 19: 38
      hardware tabs and tp!

      You still "laying" write an ehperd pancake ......
  24. +1
    28 August 2017 10: 56
    It’s early, although a lot has been done, both from accessories in PCs and servers, to its own OS and its own communication channel. So, a lot has been done, this is great news, and most importantly, most of the graduate students work, who are unlikely to get to work abroad if they are worthy to pay and there will be a favorite job)
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    28 August 2017 11: 03
    I really want to agree ..... time will check how much we have accomplished this task .... and I really want to believe that the quality of our "IT" is really at the level (and not just of no analogues in the world) ..... ...............
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    28 August 2017 12: 08
    Those. It doesn’t give special advantages in terms of reliability, they just got rid of it. Except that it will become more expensive.

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