Russian Armed Forces completely got rid of import dependence in the field of IT

The Russian Armed Forces have completely overcome the dependence on imports in the field of information technology, reports RIA News the message of the Chief of the Information and Telecommunication Technologies Development Department of the Ministry of Defense Maxim Bets.

According to him, “in ten years, the Russian industry has made a significant step in the development of modern information technologies.”

Today we can say with confidence that the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in this area have completely freed themselves from import dependence. This was confirmed by the Army-2017 forum itself,

Betz said at the end of the roundtable on the use of cloud technologies in the interests of the military.

The meeting was held in the framework of the International Military-Technical Forum "Army-2017".

He recalled that the forum was attended by "over 1,2 thousands of enterprises and organizations that presented more than 18 thousands of developments and technologies in the field of defense and security."

Comments

[svp67]

Something seems to me that “Hurray” is too early to scream ...

[bk316]

Need to be baptized ...

[svp67]

Quote: bk316

Need to be baptized ...

Well, so "baptized" who's stopping you. In the meantime, Linox wakes up at the heart of many of our military programs, shouting "Hurray" - EARLY

[Astoria]

And why did not linux architecture please you?

[svp67]

Quote: Astoria

And why did not linux architecture please you?

The fact that it is NOT OUR ... This is "free architecture" and what and who "got it" there, you still need to figure it out.
The OS for our MO should not be familiar to our "foreign partners", so that later they would not find "surprises"

[Muvka]

As if all the code is open. And you assemble the system yourself, from what you need. And all the code can be safely checked. If you do not understand, do not write.

[svp67]

Quote: Muvka

As if all the code is open. And you assemble the system yourself, from what you need. And all the code can be safely checked. If you do not understand, do not write.

Yes, I was more familiar with them and I’ll say right away that I didn’t feel much enthusiasm. Oh, the “bespectacles" boasted, but the system crashed in the first month of operation ... and MO paid a lot of money for it.
I remember "Casper" promised his unique "OS", for the Moscow Region and other government agencies - where is it?

[Muvka]

On February 15, 2017, the system was officially released.

[delvin-fil]

Yes, I was more familiar with them and I’ll say right away that I didn’t feel much enthusiasm. Oh, the “bespectacles" boasted, but the system crashed in the first month of operation ... and MO paid a lot of money for it.

"For her" or "him," bespectacled bespectacled?
Linux, you see, is free, like all (almost) what's on top.
My system plows 24/7 years. And nothing.

[Astoria]

The fact that it is NOT OUR ... This is "free architecture" and what and who "got it" there, you still need to figure it out.

- that is, instead of sorting it out, you suggest reinventing the wheel. And in other matters, this is not a cause for dispute.

[dubovitskiy.1947]

Quote: svp67

Quote: Astoria

And why did not linux architecture please you?

The fact that it is NOT OUR ... This is "free architecture" and what and who "got it" there, you still need to figure it out.
The OS for our MO should not be familiar to our "foreign partners", so that later they would not find "surprises"

To do this, programs must not be written in earthly logic and in the language of Martians. Mathematics, logic, physics, mechanics are international. The language of presentation of any concept is a thing easily digestible by a specialist. You do not understand what you are writing about.

[svp67]

Quote: dubovitskiy.1947

To do this, programs must not be written in earthly logic and in the language of Martians.

Or maybe in the TRINITY CODE? As it was already, in the USSR

[dubovitskiy.1947]

Quote: svp67

Quote: dubovitskiy.1947

To do this, programs must not be written in earthly logic and in the language of Martians.

Or maybe in the TRINITY CODE?

Give it a try. You are not talking about code, but about logic. There are only two concepts in logic. True and false. By entering the third, you break not the code, but the logic. Anyone will go crazy from this.

[svp67]

Quote: dubovitskiy.1947

Anyone will go crazy from this.

Well, the Soviet systems worked and EXCELLENT, for those years ...

[dubovitskiy.1947]

Quote: svp67

Quote: dubovitskiy.1947

Anyone will go crazy from this.

Well, the Soviet systems worked and EXCELLENT, for those years ...

You still decide. There are an incredible amount of codes. But the logic is binary. Existing digital elements with a third (disabled) state do not have logical definitions.

[osoboye_mneniye]

Quote: dubovitskiy.1947

Quote: svp67

Quote: dubovitskiy.1947

Anyone will go crazy from this.

Well, the Soviet systems worked and EXCELLENT, for those years ...

You still decide. There are an incredible amount of codes. But the logic is binary. Existing digital elements with a third (disabled) state do not have logical definitions.

Dubovitsky, what happened to you? Have you changed your nickname and started a new life on the forum?
Now, in essence. A question for you to fill in: Let's weigh two objects A and B on an ordinary lever scale. The scales will easily allow us to determine two opposites: weight A> B and weight A <B. But is that all? But what about A = B? It turns out that the problem of the weight of A and B has three solutions.
The logic of everyday life is difficult to shove into the black and white picture of bivalence - many thinkers have realized this. As a result, non-classical logicians were born who abandoned the law of the excluded third.
And now let's talk about the ternary number system ..))

[Genry]

Quote: dubovitskiy.1947

But the logic is binary. Existing digital elements with a third (disabled) state do not have logical definitions.

The triple logic was very convenient in computers with memory on magnetic cores. States: 1, 0 (demagnetized) and -1.

[A1845]

Quote: svp67

Well, Soviet systems worked and EXCELLENT

yes, especially OS-360 copied from IBM

[sdc_alex]

And even better - analog ..

[Setrac]

Quote: svp67

Or maybe in the TRINITY CODE? As it was already, in the USSR

There is a signal
no signal
phase???

[bk316]

There is a signal
no signal
phase???

If I remember correctly + - 0

[Setrac]

Quote: bk316

If I remember correctly + - 0

However, electricity does not have zero. The current is either there or not.

[Gorjelin]

The fact that it is NOT OUR ... This is "free architecture" and what and who "got it" there, you still need to figure it out.

in general, Linux is a completely open-source work of mine, there are PURE Russian builds.

in fact, new OSs do not appear, because everything has already been invented, and creating on the basis of the linux kernel - your own assembly with the necessary requirements - this is a normal and reasonable solution.

even Apple didn’t invent anything and took Linux as the basis of their OS

[svp67]

Quote: Gorjelin

in fact, new OSs do not appear, because everything has already been invented, and creating on the basis of the linux kernel - your own assembly with the necessary requirements - this is a normal and reasonable solution.

And because of this, they “collapse” with enviable regularity ... More and more “holes” in them are found in them ...
For Moscow Region and other important government agencies, an “OS” is needed that does not give a chance to a person who has mastered the basics of programming to “bring them down”. Moreover, they must be protected from professional crackers.

[Gorjelin]

And because of this, they “collapse” with enviable regularity ... More and more “holes” in them are found in them ...

my server on linus has been working steadily for several years)

damage frequency and safety depends on the degree of curvature of the hands of those who support the platform

the creation of a certain “our” bicycle OS is an extremely strange decision, a new OS:

1 - with a guarantee it will be vulnerable and with a huge number of bugs that have been caught for years in any complex product,
2 - there simply will not be specialists who can support the OS, and training in sufficient quantities for the entire defense industry is very expensive and worthless.
3 - for any environment, a huge amount of software is required, for Linux all software already exists, for some new OS everything will need to be created first (and then updated and maintained), can you even imagine how much work this is? tens of thousands of specialists in various fields around the world are doing this.
4 - on the basis of Linux, a competent specialist with brains will be able to create an absolutely safe environment, which in the end is done.

[himRa]

+
there are controversial issues, in general you are right ...
If you add that, and hardware, our security increases ...
Let the technical process of our chips, clumsy, but he our!
about p.o. you can not talk ...
The Russian Federation can create any specialized P.O. for its needs!

[Gorjelin]

If you add that, and hardware, our security increases ...
Let the technical process of our chips, clumsy, but it is ours!

Here are our own processors - and other microelectronics - this is what you need to do first! this is the foundation.

and inventing your own OS is something you can do without.

[himRa]

OS or operating system is just a program, a program is a set of instructions .nix can be adapted to any chip and architecture
There is no bad resource made with us here about chips

[bouncyhunter]

Hi Raheem! Linux was touched on here, so I remembered a joke:
Somehow, the programmer led his little son to the zoo. They walked, looked. And then they came to the penguin aviary. Son pokes a finger and shouts: "Dad, look - Linux!" .
I have a mug from which I drink coffee - also with a penguin and a proud Linux inscription.

[himRa]

Hello Pasha ..
I must admit that people can independently but collectively work on certain projects, and this example is one of them!
And the children ... they are so sincere children!

[dubovitskiy.1947]

Quote: Gorjelin

......
4 - on the basis of Linux, a competent specialist with brains will be able to create an absolutely safe environment, which in the end is done.

The basis of the stability of any system is isolation from the common world. The fool will sculpt the system, combined with other strangers, and in the second step try to protect it from external interference.

[Gorjelin]

it's just about the kernel - about ready-made and tested over the years program code (safe), which there is no need to re-write - on top of this code, you can create whatever your heart desires. I don’t understand, what does it have to do with other systems, associations, disconnections, etc. ... Why write a driver again, say, for a mouse?

firstly, linux is in no way integrated with other systems, unless, of course, this is required.

secondly, isolation is achieved by pulling out the Internet cable in the same way as for Linux, for Windows and anything else, otherwise the system is no longer isolated.

[dubovitskiy.1947]

Quote: Gorjelin

it's just about the kernel - about ready-made and tested over the years program code (safe), which there is no need to re-write - on top of this code, you can create whatever your heart desires. I don’t understand, what does it have to do with other systems, associations, disconnections, etc. ... Why write a driver again, say, for a mouse?

firstly, linux is in no way integrated with other systems, unless, of course, this is required.

secondly, isolation is achieved by pulling out the Internet cable in the same way as for Linux, for Windows and anything else, otherwise the system is no longer isolated.

I’m about this. Why connect the mines with the "Satan" optics with the servers of California, and try to create protection against penetration? Or nuclear material enrichment centrifuges?

[Muvka]

97 percent of servers on Linux. Probably not due to the fact that they regularly "collapse." The problem is which build you use.

[dvina71]

Quote: svp67

And because of this, they “collapse” with enviable regularity ... More and more “holes” in them are found in them ...

You are talking about a universal OS .. for the MO such OSs are needed only in office computers .. Computers in combat systems have their own OS. Usually they are narrowly sharpened, stable to disgrace. In some places, micro-OS controllers generally work. Most likely this is what we are talking about.

[delvin-fil]

And because of this, they “collapse” with enviable regularity ... More and more “holes” in them are found in them ...

Please provide examples of collapse.

"OS" does not give a chance to a person who has mastered the basics of programming to "bring them down".

It’s not said by me: “Everything that is created by man can be broken”

[ZAV69]

Apple seems to be based on freebds

[delvin-fil]

FreeBSD
Not. BSDIV

[g1v2]

Kaspersky Lab has already created its own OS. It is intended for industrial facilities and industry in general. Nothing seems to stop using its modifications in the sun.
The Federal Nuclear Centers also have their own software, as far as I know. There is something to switch to. But for the layman so far I have not heard anything serious and unique of our development. Maybe it just passed by.

[mopos]

Linux systems are absolutely harmless, especially when all the installation packages are provided by our programmers and the whole thing is checked at the output of the FSB.
Of course, VERY exaggerated!
Much has been done of its hardware and software, but computers at workplaces have moms Gigabyte, MSI; Seagate hard drives, etc.

[Titsen]

Quote: svp67

The OS for our MO should not be familiar to our "foreign partners", so that later they would not find "surprises"

I can criticize too!

And offer!

But who will do the OS with "0" !!!!!!! ?????

So don't be smart!

[lopvlad]

Quote: svp67

and who "nafigachil" there, still need to figure it out.

source in free access in the form of a text file, take and read. Or laziness?
Linux is so good that you collect it for your narrow needs, and it is your hardware.

[osoboye_mneniye]

Quote: lopvlad

Quote: svp67

and who "nafigachil" there, still need to figure it out.

source in free access in the form of a text file, take and read. Or laziness?
Linux is so good that you collect it for your narrow needs, and it is your hardware.

Traditional modular architecture will never give a sufficiently effective solution for stability and speed. Any system assembled on the components of a common industry standard will be much less effective than a solution fully developed for the task.
It is clear that the price of the issue is changing at times.
But developers who mold their decisions from designers are doomed to be second.

[dubovitskiy.1947]

Quote: osoboye_mneniye

Quote: lopvlad

Quote: svp67

and who "nafigachil" there, still need to figure it out.

source in free access in the form of a text file, take and read. Or laziness?
Linux is so good that you collect it for your narrow needs, and it is your hardware.

Traditional modular architecture will never give a sufficiently effective solution for stability and speed. Any system assembled on the components of a common industry standard will be much less effective than a solution fully developed for the task.
It is clear that the price of the issue is changing at times.
But developers who mold their decisions from designers are doomed to be second.

Unification and modularity reduces the time and cost of developing a new product. Here it is not necessary to confuse the production of a product with small circulations and mass production of a single type. For example, a car is a mass product, and it is profitable to design it only taking into account the experience of the like. A factory is being designed for a mass product. Those. the plant adapts to the final product. For small-scale, the product is adjusted to the existing production.
A purely special system operating in a unique production in the singular, of course. will be assembled from existing elements, like the Lego constructor. No idiot needs to work out performance, reliability and so on. for a single instance of the system.

[lopvlad]

Quote: osoboye_mneniye

But developers who mold their decisions from designers are doomed to be second

Naturally, the kernel source is still not a ready-made constructor and it doesn’t occur to anyone to name the developers of the same Android second, although they also have the Linux kernel at their core.
Now all OSes are divided into the LINUX kernel and the Windows kernel. There is simply nothing else in the world.

[DEfindER]

Quote: svp67

The fact that it is NOT OUR ... This is "free architecture" and what and who "got it" there, you still need to figure it out.

I’ll probably tell you a secret, but absolutely all popular systems - Windows, Mac, Android, OS-2, they are all based on Unix systems, they just sewn the necessary shell into them to open files like EXE, for example .. In Windows, for example, even there are Linux folders like etc and others .. Why invent something if there is a basic system based on which you can make any OS for any hardware ..

[Alex_Rarog]

Firstly, not Linux but Linux, and secondly, what did the Linux kernel go for you? Opening fully architecture. And on this core as such, androyd and macOS and others are created. Reliably free and do what you want with it. Why reinvent the wheel? Or do you just the fact that it is not written in Russia do not like? So in our wasps, only kernel work algorithms are used, even the kernel itself has been redesigned. I do not see a problem ....

[bk316]

Well, so "baptized" who's stopping you

Well, nothing seems to me.
I wanted to explain to you about the military-oriented OS, but I read your comments about the enemy linukh architecture and the threefold logic of programming, and I realized it was hopeless (like a blonde about the andron collider).
My good advice, do not write about what you do not understand from the word AT ALL.

[osoboye_mneniye]

Quote: bk316

Well, so "baptized" who's stopping you

Well, nothing seems to me.
I wanted to explain to you about the military-oriented OS, but I read your comments about the enemy linukh architecture and the threefold logic of programming, and I realized it was hopeless (like a blonde about the andron collider).
My good advice, do not write about what you do not understand from the word AT ALL.

You would, with allegories to go broke, show a man his mistakes. I would also listen with interest. And so it turns out unconstructively. It would seem that it turns out that the Cardinal’s guards are around you, and you are the Dartanyan alone (I’m trying to explain this in a language you understand))

[bk316]

I would also listen with interest.

You can’t explain anything to a person who writes about what he doesn’t understand; as a Chukchi, he is not a writer but not a reader.
If you are interested in catching (duplicate in PM)
1. Free architecture. The clever word "architecture" is out of place here at all. Free (open) Linux code, in the depths of which there really can be bookmarks. The architecture of the OS is nothing more than the principles of building a system, for example, modularity or the selection of a kernel or the allocation of the concept of a process. These principles are universal. Therefore, to say that we will not use someone else’s architecture, it’s like we will not build houses with a roof, because this (roof) is not the same as ours. As for the code, as already written here, there are assemblies with a FULLY rewritten kernel.

2. Use ternary logic in programming. Programming implements human logic, and it is binary. The rest is to the psychiatrist. About the implementation of ternary logic in the USSR, a comrade heard a ringing, but does not know where he is. The ternary logic of the element base was implemented, but not the ternary logic of the applied algorithms. A simple example, the algorithm for loading a hunting rifle: break the barrel, check if there is any cartridge left in the chamber, if it was left, take out ..... So, "whether there is", this is a first-order predicate that implements binary logic. Try to implement the algorithm on k-valued logic. By the way, about yours point out errors, you first need to listen to the 2-semester matkib course, about k-digit logic, about finite state machines then you can point out errors.
3. About accounting for all programmers as doctors. Physicians are taken into account because in wartime the need for doctors increases sharply, the number of doctors decreases and any non-working doctor will still help a person much better than not a doctor. Programmers at the forefront do not work, during the war they are not particularly needed, and most importantly, a programmer who does not work in his specialty or, say, programming in 1C, doesn’t need the defense industry.

I can continue, but is it necessary?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: bk316

Need to be baptized ...

Yes, what does it have to do with it, I don’t believe that all personal computers were replaced with domestic ones

[LSA57]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

I don’t believe that all personal computers were replaced with domestic

I quote

Russian Armed Forces Completely Overcome Import Dependence in Information Technology,

so what does the PC have to do with it?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Information technologies (IT, also - information and communication technologies) - processes, methods for searching, collecting, storing, processing, providing, disseminating information and methods for implementing such processes and methods (Federal Law No. 149-ФЗ); receptions, methods and methods of using computer technology in performing the functions of collecting, storing, processing, transmitting and using data (GOST 34.003-90) [4]; resources necessary for the collection, processing, storage and dissemination of information (ISO / IEC 38500: 2008)

Information technology is a process that uses totality of funds and methods for collecting, processing and transmitting data to obtain new quality information about the state of an object, process or phenomenon.

[svp67]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

Yes, what does it have to do with it, I don’t believe that all personal computers were replaced with domestic ones

And this is also a HUGE PROBLEM.

[dubovitskiy.1947]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

Quote: bk316

Need to be baptized ...

Yes, what does it have to do with it, I don’t believe that all personal computers were replaced with domestic ones

If the MOST imported computer works in isolation, without contacting with others (not known, probably hostile), then no imported filling will let you down. It’s harmful not the content of the processors, but the contacts on the network.
The military only uses what definitely does not contain inherent malware. Prove it to them is very difficult.

[svp67]

Quote: dubovitskiy.1947

If the MOST imported computer works in isolation, without contacting with others (not known, probably hostile), then no imported filling will let you down.

It remains to remember the story of Iranian centrifuges that worked in the ISOLATED system ... but that did not save them.

[VIX34]

Well, Iran is definitely not an indicator. Here recently there was material about their strike UAVs, the situation in the operator's room was very impressive, especially the bolts in the hands of the operators ... Iranians' statement about the isolation of their systems can be immediately questioned due to low staff discipline. And betrayal in the Middle East is quite commonplace. And as for the installation of the RF Ministry of Defense systems on Linex, this is the first step. Everything should work today, and then you can try your own clean.

[dubovitskiy.1947]

Quote: svp67

Quote: dubovitskiy.1947

If the MOST imported computer works in isolation, without contacting with others (not known, probably hostile), then no imported filling will let you down.

It remains to remember the story of Iranian centrifuges that worked in the ISOLATED system ... but that did not save them.

Remind please. Off-line, have the operating modes of these centrifuges changed? Try to remotely change work that has no way out, except for the control cabinet.

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: dubovitskiy.1947

Try to remotely change work that has no way out, except for the control cabinet.

Found nimble the guys of the “mishandled Cossack” for a certain “bakshish”, who launched staxnet from the flash drive, which he “threw”.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: dubovitskiy.1947

If the MOST imported computer works in isolation, without contacting with others (not known, probably hostile), then no imported filling will let you down. It’s harmful not the content of the processors, but the contacts on the network.

and who told you such nonsense?
the French managed to steal information from cars in the Ministry of Color of the Kazakh SSR when no one thought about the Internet

[dubovitskiy.1947]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

Quote: dubovitskiy.1947

If the MOST imported computer works in isolation, without contacting with others (not known, probably hostile), then no imported filling will let you down. It’s harmful not the content of the processors, but the contacts on the network.

and who told you such nonsense?
the French managed to steal information from cars in the Ministry of Color of the Kazakh SSR when no one thought about the Internet

Still would. When the specialists who installed this technique serviced it and could delve into it when they needed to, what to expect good?
Come on, I delve into your computer that does not have Internet access? Better in your absence.
In the 60s, the IBM company, creating its IBM 360, provided it (for the convenience of the consumer, of course !!!) with the ability to inform the telephone network in teletype mode, the computer's communication with the manufacturer, which makes it possible to quickly find out, even earlier than the consumer, about the causes of failures , then what about decency and secrecy? Imagine, you did not call anyone, and suddenly a messenger appears on the threshold of the office with a new unit that needs to be installed in your car. Just a test routine informed him of such a necessary replacement.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: dubovitskiy.1947

If the MOST imported computer works in isolation

By the way, how do you determine if it is isolated? !!!
type of wiring is not connected? !!!!

The specialists at the Center for Cybersecurity Studies at Ben-Gurion University have come up with several methods of hacking “isolated” PCs: using radio waves, electromagnetic waves, GSM networks, and even using the heat generated by a computer.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

... came up with several methods of hacking "isolated" PCs: using radio waves, electromagnetic waves, GSM networks, and even using the heat generated by a computer

Fresh tradition, but hard to believe ... tomorrow I will ask the system administrator what he thinks on this subject ...

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

I repeat, you stole when there were no system administrators or not, you can control the entire stuffing of the "mother", and you can stuff a lot of interesting stuff there

[region58]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

several methods of hacking "isolated" PC

You modestly kept silent about the fact that for this an “isolated” PC must already be infected with malware.
For example:

During operation, the fans make a sound at the so-called blade pass frequency, which becomes louder with increasing fan speed. A method invented by scientists allows increasing the speed of one or more fans in order to transfer information about encryption keys and passwords to a nearby smartphone or PC. Moreover, different rotation speeds mean binary values ​​of information that hackers want to receive. During testing, experts used a speed of 1000 rpm to transfer units, and 1600 rpm for zero. Before an attack, an “isolated” PC must be infected with malware that will allow you to manipulate the fan speed. Moreover, the PC infection procedure itself is not something very complicated, as evidenced by examples of attacks using the Stuxnet virus on Iran’s nuclear program systems, as well as an attack on the US military computer system using the Agent.btz virus.
To receive a signal from an infected machine, hackers also need to infect the smartphone of someone who works near a PC with a virus that will decrypt audio signals and then send information to the hacker via SMS, Wi-Fi or via mobile networks.

[dvina71]

Quote: region58

For example:

In this way, you can only communicate with the Morse code .. A less voluminous Old will have to be transmitted for years ..

[region58]

Quote: dvina71

In this way, you can only communicate with the morse woman ..

It’s true, this is just an example ... but, let’s say, access codes to either find out enough of this.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

this example was as a fact of possibility
in addition to that, you can pre-make additional stuffing on mom, vidyuhe or the screw itself

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: region58

You modestly kept silent about the fact that for this an “isolated” PC must already be infected with malware.

and yet without net using electronic bookmarks they stole info

[ZAV69]

An infected smartphone should be nearby, but if the mode forbids bringing a smartphone?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: ZAV69

and if the mode prohibits bringing a smartphone?

once again, if the iron is made we do not have guarantees that it has no filling NO

[region58]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

if the iron is made we do not have guarantees that it has no filling NO

Well, how can I say ... for example, the Elbrus and Baikal processors are produced in Taiwan (TSMC), but the data for production is transferred in the form of a data file, which is actually loaded into the production line, and then add something ... to generally nifiga does not work ...
PS I wanted it easier to write, but something nakalamburil pretty ...

[region58]

Quote: ZAV69

and if the mode prohibits bringing a smartphone?

It is the work of the competent authorities to exclude even the theoretical possibility of information leakage. However ... it was up to someone from the Iranian hard workers to look at the little workplace, well, he put the USB flash drive into the office computer, as a result, the stuxnet virus, which until that time had been wandering around the network and media for several years, got where it needed to, then the centrifuges were accelerated above the limit , well, dreams of a sound bonbon were covered with a copper basin ...

[dubovitskiy.1947]

Quote: region58

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

several methods of hacking "isolated" PC

You modestly kept silent about the fact that for this an “isolated” PC must already be infected with malware.
For example:

During operation, the fans make a sound at the so-called blade pass frequency, which becomes louder with increasing fan speed. A method invented by scientists allows increasing the speed of one or more fans in order to transfer information about encryption keys and passwords to a nearby smartphone or PC. Moreover, different rotation speeds mean binary values ​​of information that hackers want to receive. During testing, experts used a speed of 1000 rpm to transfer units, and 1600 rpm for zero. Before an attack, an “isolated” PC must be infected with malware that will allow you to manipulate the fan speed. Moreover, the PC infection procedure itself is not something very complicated, as evidenced by examples of attacks using the Stuxnet virus on Iran’s nuclear program systems, as well as an attack on the US military computer system using the Agent.btz virus.
To receive a signal from an infected machine, hackers also need to infect the smartphone of someone who works near a PC with a virus that will decrypt audio signals and then send information to the hacker via SMS, Wi-Fi or via mobile networks.

Do not read nonsense. And after reading, think as much as possible. The noise of a fan telling a sensitive microphone, pressed against the back of the wall ..... And transmitting in its tone the content of the document is 2 megabytes ....
It’s better to read and be surprised again at the possibility of firing 200 km of copper chock from an electromagnetic rifle at an approaching tank.

[region58]

Quote: dubovitskiy.1947

microphone against the back of the wall

Quote: dubovitskiy.1947

2 megabytes of document content

These are your fantasies.

Quote: dubovitskiy.1947

information about encryption keys and passwords on a nearby smartphone or PC.

But this was quoted by me (the Israelis are so perverted).

To date, for symmetric encryption algorithms, 128 bits (16 bytes) are considered a sufficient length of the encryption key.
A smartphone can be anywhere - on a table, in a breast pocket, etc.
I repeat - for all this, and for any acquisition of information:

Quote: region58

An “isolated” PC should already be infected with malware.

PS

Quote: dubovitskiy.1947

transmitting in its tone the content of the document is 2 megabytes ....

Remember dial-up ... not so long ago it was ...

[dubovitskiy.1947]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

Quote: dubovitskiy.1947

If the MOST imported computer works in isolation

By the way, how do you determine if it is isolated? !!!
type of wiring is not connected? !!!!

The specialists at the Center for Cybersecurity Studies at Ben-Gurion University have come up with several methods of hacking “isolated” PCs: using radio waves, electromagnetic waves, GSM networks, and even using the heat generated by a computer.

That's right. And not only postings. But it is located in a room shielded from radiation, and the power supply through the network is equipped with good filters. In the 50s, the USSR has already introduced a system for managing power facilities that transmit information and control signals over a power network. Including overcoming transformer substations in high-voltage networks and vice versa.
So, of course, postings. He, the infection, is to blame for everything.

[bk316]

Yes, what does it have to do with it, I don’t believe that all personal computers were replaced with domestic ones

Why change ALL personal?
And what does this have to do with "The Russian Armed Forces have completely overcome their dependence on imports in the field of information technology"?
You do not seem to understand what the statement is about, let me put it simply:
if now the West will completely ban the export of computers, components and software to us, then this will not become a problem for the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.
Believe me, this is the case, unfortunately this cannot be said about the national economy as a whole.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: bk316

if now the West will completely ban the export of computers, components and software to us

Well, the fact that it paralyzes the services of the same rear is an unambiguous fact

[RASKAT]

Maybe it's time to create a school of military IT specialists? As for me, it's about time.

[Astoria]

And who will teach them?

[RASKAT]

And who the Queen and Kurchatov once taught? If you don’t know how to stuff cones, sooner or later we will come to this. It’s better of course before .

[svp67]

Quote: RASKAT

Maybe it's time to create a school of military IT specialists? As for me, it's about time.

There are military IT specialists, for protection, there are "contracts" with civilian universities. Every student who graduates from a university with a degree in “programmer” must be registered as a medical professional ...

[bk316]

Every student who graduates from a university with a degree in “programmer” must be registered as a medical professional ...

This is nonsense, how are you far from programming ....

[dubovitskiy.1947]

Quote: RASKAT

Maybe it's time to create a school of military IT specialists? As for me, it's about time.

I did not see a more dubious (incredibly mildly said!) Proposal. Have a university of secondary quality, a second-rate level, educating pariahs from science. What self-respecting future special after the start of training will throw shoulder straps? In such matters, either the romance of military service, or the desire to drown in the specifics of work, in papers and gigabits, having renounced many things around. Fulfilling the order, daily make discoveries. Something from the exploits of Baron Munchausen.

[Petrol cutter]

"Something seems to me that" Hurray "to scream early ..."
Why? There is reason to believe that there is a failure?

[bk316]

"Something seems to me that" Hurray "to scream early ..."

Programmers generally do not shout cheers.

[NEXUS]

Quote: svp67

Something seems to me that “Hurray” is too early to scream ...

The main thing is that the funeral should not be sung.

[alexmach]

Tales of Grandfather Makar is.

[Reserve officer]

“Today we can say with confidence that the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in this area have completely freed themselves from import dependence. This was confirmed by the Army-2017 forum itself.

Something is recalled Stanislavsky with his imperishable "I do not believe!"

[VAZ2106]

what interesting is the operating system in army pc?

[svp67]

Quote: vazxnumx

what interesting is the operating system in army pc?

"Service"

[Mentat]

Quote: svp67

Quote: bk316

Need to be baptized ...

Well, so "baptized" who's stopping you. In the meantime, Linox wakes up at the heart of many of our military programs, shouting "Hurray" - EARLY

And where do you get such information from?

[Settlement Oparyshev]

They wrote here about Lin.

[himRa]

Quote: Mentat

Quote: svp67

Quote: bk316

Need to be baptized ...

Well, so "baptized" who's stopping you. In the meantime, Linox wakes up at the heart of many of our military programs, shouting "Hurray" - EARLY

And where do you get such information from?

Do you want to join too? Isn’t it too late? Or is there a desire to prove that our chips and software are a continuation of the English ARM and Assembler?

[alexmach]

From the camel.
Just based on the fact that it cannot be otherwise. There are no better options in sight.

[Settlement Oparyshev]

I am clenching my fists so that in this area they can do without the Red Tolik!

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: pp to Oparyshev

I am clenching my fists so that in this area they can do without the Red Tolik!

[XXXIII]

It’s somehow empty in the article! What have you changed? Or switched to a closed cycle of work with the ability to enter the network without detection by the enemy ?! Perhaps they replaced hackers (legionnaires) with our 100% Russian!

[Proton]

I didn’t understand what kind of information technology our industry began to produce? Rashenvindovz or something in factories is cast in metal?
As comrades, officials have already begun to talk, weaving what.

[himRa]

Quote: Proton

I understood that ......... rashenvindovz

Clever!? You will carry ,, cast iron ,, !!
Or ,, leaky ,, vindovoz is the height of perfection what do you know?
Not everything can be judged with the help of Oggogl
It would be possible to take the position of a skeptic, but you must have a minimum of information! Here is a minimum of help
I can say starting from ,, iron ,, to ,, software ,, guys do not lie !!!

[okko077]

And what is the merit of the sun? They are users, they will use whatever they give to them ... They have no idea in information technology .... They cannot even formulate requirements for military information systems for 17 years ....

[Monarchist]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

Quote: bk316

Need to be baptized ...

Yes, what does it have to do with it, I don’t believe that all personal computers were replaced with domestic ones

I’m a complete ignoramus here, but I heard from those who know: there are no longer any imported ones (the guy took 5 decommissioned ones). True, one claimed that he prefers any Chinese: they are more convenient and familiar

[bald]

Here they are pluses, let them be weak so far, but their own, independent of anyone. Well, gentlemen, sanctioners, let them now look for other markets and thank their master.

[Dzafdet]

Quote: dubovitskiy.1947

Quote: svp67

Quote: dubovitskiy.1947

To do this, programs must not be written in earthly logic and in the language of Martians.

Or maybe in the TRINITY CODE?

Give it a try. You are not talking about code, but about logic. There are only two concepts in logic. True and false. By entering the third, you break not the code, but the logic. Anyone will go crazy from this.

There is such a thing as "fuzzy logic", and so it is also possible intermediate states of truth and falsehood ...

[dubovitskiy.1947]

Quote: Dzafdet

Quote: dubovitskiy.1947

Quote: svp67

Quote: dubovitskiy.1947

To do this, programs must not be written in earthly logic and in the language of Martians.

Or maybe in the TRINITY CODE?

Give it a try. You are not talking about code, but about logic. There are only two concepts in logic. True and false. By entering the third, you break not the code, but the logic. Anyone will go crazy from this.

There is such a thing as "fuzzy logic", and so it is also possible intermediate states of truth and falsehood ...

Mathematics does not apply such definitions. There either. Assumptions in the problem give predictive results. But the interpretation of such results can only be done by a person. A computer is a dull piece of hardware, for which a driver and a driver are different concepts. Only a human-made program can combine these concepts. The confusion of writing programs in ternary logic will destroy any benefits. And the reason for this lies in man. You yourself will in one case interpret one thing and in the other another. You will never agree with yourself about the uniqueness of the third concept. Philosophically, it is not precisely defined. So what the hell trying to make it specific?

[himRa]

Quote: dubovitskiy.1947

Mathematics does not apply such definitions. There either. Assumptions in the problem give predictive results. But the interpretation of such results can only be done by a person. A computer is a dull piece of hardware, for which a driver and a driver are different concepts. Only a human-made program can combine these concepts. The confusion of writing programs in ternary logic will destroy any benefits. And the reason for this lies in man. You yourself will in one case interpret one thing and in the other another. You will never agree with yourself about the uniqueness of the third concept. Philosophically, it is not precisely defined. So what the hell trying to make it specific?

Forum users are interesting people (judging by themselves)
write answering their own thoughts and not the opponent ...
You are right and the people who write here do not understand what they are writing!

[dvina71]

Quote: himRa

You are right and the people who write here do not understand what they are writing!

Come on .. here the majority has a technical Soviet higher education. Just the magic of advertising .. Windows and our stump are everything ..

[himRa]

Quote: dvina71

Just the magic of advertising .. Windows and our stump are everything ..

I think the key all the same, Windows, creates the impression of a person who is far from programming, photos, videos, music in his ,, coolness, that is, without basic knowledge !!!
and take away from such a brow ,, mouse ,, and people ,, hung ,, do not even understand that the manipulator ,, mouse ,, is not a means of entering information! Yes, and recently appeared on the background of computers in general ..
And for many, a computer (microprocessor) = computer

[bk316]

and the people who write here don’t understand what they’re writing

Absolutely, just not much at all.

[himRa]

Quote: dubovitskiy.1947

Quote: svp67

Quote: dubovitskiy.1947

To do this, programs must not be written in earthly logic and in the language of Martians.

Or maybe in the TRINITY CODE?

Give it a try. You are not talking about code, but about logic. There are only two concepts in logic. True and false. By entering the third, you break not the code, but the logic. Anyone will go crazy from this.

-How do you manage to look so good and in a good mood?
-I don’t argue with anyone ...
But it’s IMPOSSIBLE!
well ... impossible so impossible

[Alexey Z]

Did you make a calculator? (FROM)

[alien308]

To declare, do not turn coolies.

[osoboye_mneniye]

now we should stir up the conversion and show the citizens that the people and the army are united in this matter, that the results of the achievements of our military IT industry are also accessible to the citizens.
And then it comes out weird. Due to the fact that civilians pay uncle bill, IT MO can not reduce the cost of production. But all the same, stubbornly does not establish sales for civilian consumers. Paradox...

[dvina71]

Quote: osoboye_mneniye

Paradox...

The paradox is that you don’t understand .. The military from the computer needs very specific things, but you need selfies and po rn uh a .. Computers for the Moscow Region do not have such bells and whistles)))

[Alexey Polyakh]

Personally, I do not trust GCC ... Translate from 5 languages ​​... Why? For the main linux build tool

[Alexey Polyakh]

and tiny c compiler (tcc) under linux produces "segmentation fault" ...

[osoboye_mneniye]

Quote: dvina71

Quote: osoboye_mneniye

Paradox...

The paradox is that you don’t understand .. The military from the computer needs very specific things, but you need selfies and po rn uh a .. Computers for the Moscow Region do not have such bells and whistles)))

Suppose that civil turnover should be understood not only as the use of individuals. And even not so much the use of individuals as business.
And for business, applications can be very different. Up to difficult climatic conditions, overloads, etc.
Not so long ago I was interested in what our manufacturers can offer from laptops in terms of Toughbook. And it turned out that yes, there are solutions. On the imported element base, in domestic (or Chinese?) Cases, they are very inflexible and limited in their capabilities. At the same time, the price is not inferior to Panasonic. It is clear that normal volumes are needed for a normal price.
But it seems that nobody needs a normal price. Therefore, they don’t go to the civilian sales sector. Does the state pay exorbitant prices for laptops? Pays. That's good.
Familiar with one agency that goes under the military. They are generally cleverly done. They are also some kind of Russian manufacturer muddied "high-tech", such as you say "we need very specific things." Some complexes of Chinese components. In quality, respectively. The manufacturer sells these crafts in the Moscow Region at prices higher than the similar, and superior in specifications at times, German and Swiss equipment. But, since the terms of reference are prescribed strictly for these crafts, the Moscow Region pays. And the uncles in the leadership of this office, which milks the Moscow Region and writes the terms of reference, cynically prey on the purchases of this "hi-tech".
Therefore, I say that the situation with super-achievements in the IT of the Russian Federation should be quite transparent. And there is only one way - production of products for civilian use. Otherwise, super-achievements will mean super-costs for cuts behind the screen of uniqueness and secrecy of products.
And keep in mind one more thing. Even during the USSR, domestic microcircuits had only 16 legs, but as many as 2 handles for carrying. It is not possible to find ourselves in a competitive position on this issue after all our misadventures. This is if you are at least a little in the subject.
Of course, you can measure on porn and selfies too. Who is closer.

[dvina71]

Quote: osoboye_mneniye

And keep in mind one more thing. Even under the USSR, domestic microcircuits had only 16 legs, but as many as 2 handles for carrying

I read your multibookuff dosih lines ... And the point is to argue with the person who operates with such data?
And yet ... you confuse the military computer and the technical (industrial) .. In which industrial computer is the function of changing the block or element "hot" implemented .. that's why the price.

[osoboye_mneniye]

Quote: dvina71

Quote: osoboye_mneniye

And keep in mind one more thing. Even under the USSR, domestic microcircuits had only 16 legs, but as many as 2 handles for carrying

I read your multibookuff dosih lines ... And the point is to argue with the person who operates with such data?
And yet ... you confuse the military computer and the technical (industrial) .. In which industrial computer is the function of changing the block or element "hot" implemented .. that's why the price.

You surprise me ... your "multi-book" and the inability to determine the meaning of the allegory of two carrying handles give you out as a poorly understood person, what is the production cycle in solid-state electronics, and what resources should be spent on starting such production from scratch and bringing technology to a competitive level.
It is very good that you are not trying to argue.
Then let's move on to your categories - selfie and porn)) Talk about hot swapping ... yes, all modern Panasonic can do that. You would study the question before asking .. For example, http://business.panasonic.ru/computer-product/tou
ghbook-cf-20

[dubovitskiy.1947]

Quote: osoboye_mneniye

.....
And keep in mind one more thing. Even during the USSR, domestic microcircuits had only 16 legs, but as many as 2 handles for carrying. It is not possible to find ourselves in a competitive position on this issue after all our misadventures. This is if you are at least a little in the subject.
Of course, you can measure on porn and selfies too. Who is closer.

Why are we so behind in microelectronics? The reason is sadly simple. Planning system. This is our advantage and our sore. There is no competition. The manufacturer’s plan is tied to the buyer. It is impossible to take from another. Therefore, they took what is, and at any price. The state financed everything — production, transport, sales, etc. Over the years of my work in the design bureau at the plant (I ran a product at the price of 49 rubles), over 23 years, we removed five generations of this product from production. The latter cost 865 rubles. Clear. the functions were exactly the same.
The plant was FORCED to discontinue the old ones, because over many years of cutting material, technology and labor, it brought the product to the state of a skeleton (it was impossible to carry out plans to reduce metal consumption, etc.), mastered a new one, but with a pre-laid fat. Industry institutes need to fulfill their theme. Therefore, together with the plant, they easily overcome the barriers of mastering the new. The buyer laid new prices in financial plans and also did not suffer a damn. Well, and the industry forging radio components had the right to have a profit of up to 24% per year. The question is, what the hell to work with your head? And to strive somewhere?

[japs]

In all respects, screaming "Hurray" early.
I do not like it when gentlemen Rogozins, Gryzlovs, and the like hit the timpani and demand to play a victorious march.
Early. Yes, by and large, and not necessary.
Do your work well and shut up meaningfully.
So it would be calmer in my soul.

[bk316]

Yes, by and large, and not necessary.

Well, why not? The people must be sure that their army has the best weapons.
And so the howling of all-scribblers gives rise to despondency. And despondency is a sin.

[japs]

I am not saying that it is not necessary at all. The information must comply with the requirements of today. All that is today is Linux-like systems. On their basis, something is written, something is being developed. All this works, well, thank God.
Relations that we have our processors, other peripherals, etc., to put it mildly, do not correspond to reality. And wishful thinking is not smart.
Rather, it is not appropriate for smart people. But Rogozin-like, I do not relate to these people.

[Genry]

Quote: japs

The information must comply with the requirements of today.

Information should not correspond to requirements, but objectively reflect the essence ...

Quote: japs

All that is today is Linux-like systems.

Unix like systems !!!

Quote: japs

On their basis, something is written, something is being developed.

It is written and developed by software tools, regardless of the system. Regardless of the computer model and the table on which it stands.

Quote: japs

All this works, well, thank God.

I do not want to blaspheme ... but what does God have to do with it ?.

Quote: japs

Relations that we have our processors, other peripherals, etc., to put it mildly, do not correspond to reality.

A processor in sensitive industries is already introducing its own, with its original architecture. For the population it is not yet offered. There are already devices for organizing network infrastructure.

Quote: japs

And wishful thinking is not smart.

You are very far from this topic, because ....

Quote: japs

Rather, it is not appropriate for smart people. But Rogozin-like, I do not relate to these people.

And to whom do you relate yourself?

[osoboye_mneniye]

Quote: bk316

Yes, by and large, and not necessary.

Well, why not? The people must be sure that their army has the best weapons.
And so the howling of all-scribblers gives rise to despondency. And despondency is a sin.

Do you believe everything they say to you on TV? There is a gap between hearing and being sure. Especially in modern times, when Potemkin villages are again in fashion in Russia.
In St. Petersburg, communal services recently took part in a contest for the best square - they tied chopped branches to trees to make it beautiful .. It seems funny. But somehow it's not fun. Do you have guarantees that such approaches do not work in the Ministry of Defense? And then the officials are everywhere officials ... even in the Moscow Region.

[Vadim237]

In the process, MO and quantum computers will soon be in service, to process information.

[japs]

Fiction is good for relaxation and entertainment.
How many microprocessor manufacturing plants in Russia, or at least microchips?
Taiwan, Malaysia and China. And how many factories for the production of equipment for such production.
No one. There are screams about import substitution, real zero movements.
The government can only privately privatize and broadcast about investments.
"Marketers" are bad. Forgot the victorious bureaucratic screeching about the Vostochny spaceport?
And what about the privatization of the Uralvagonzavod?
My opinion is that there shouldn’t be any private owners in the field of defense! NO.
IMHO.

[osoboye_mneniye]

Quote: japs

"Marketers" are bad. Forgot the victorious bureaucratic screeching about the Vostochny spaceport?

Of the participants in the discussion, as I understand it, no one clearly has an idea about the subject of discussion. In general, it seems that they don’t even know how we are currently import substitution in these areas. We glue the cartoons, but we still buy over the hill.
What was the story with turbines for the Crimea))

[bk316]

From the participants in the discussion, as I understand it, no one clearly has an idea about the subject of discussion

This is not surprising, how many IT specialists in relation to the population of 1% 2%? How many of them are engaged in critical OS things, security protocols, the development of processors and processor logic sets 2% 3%?
How many of the bottom work for the military commissar 10%?
Total 0,00001. But at the same time 99% say "vsefsevret". Not suggestive?

[osoboye_mneniye]

Quote: bk316

From the participants in the discussion, as I understand it, no one clearly has an idea about the subject of discussion

This is not surprising, how many IT specialists in relation to the population of 1% 2%? How many of them are engaged in critical OS things, security protocols, the development of processors and processor logic sets 2% 3%?
How many of the bottom work for the military commissar 10%?
Total 0,00001. But at the same time 99% say "vsefsevret". Not suggestive?

I think that techies don’t say “you’ll”. Mostly technically uneducated patriots fighting for the image of Russia on the forum))
For myself, I can say that by observing the development of civilian specialized instrument-making in Russia, and comparing it with instrument-making in developed countries, I can say that while we are walking along a beaten track and even lagging behind tactically. Even at the level of algorithms for the operation of the equipment. Where our signal walks 2-3 times through the same controller with corresponding losses, they generally have no modular construction, and instead of independent cycles of different processes, one common well-thought-out cycle is built, which gives a noticeable increase in reliability, energy efficiency and speed, even on the elemental base of one generation.
This is because they have developers at the level of algorithms creating devices, and we are sculpting crafts from ready-made semi-finished products.
Therefore, when I see what they offer to do software on the existing universal platform, the question arises associatively - yes, it is cheaper to develop, but it is a less effective and less competitive solution - why is it needed?
I read your explanation above.

[region58]

Quote: Vadim237

quantum computers will appear

Alas, the use of quantum computers is still a long way off. What the name "computer" does not pull ...

[irazum]

Well, if it really were true ...

[Warnoob]

“Taking a step” and “presenting more than 18 thousand developments” is still not “developing, training personnel and massively introducing”, which would mean “getting rid of import dependence”. And so the maximum that can be said is "if they give an order from above, and even implement it properly, then there seems to be a choice."

[Falcon5555]

When Betz spoke, he probably had a store smartphone in his pocket, through which he was carefully listened to overseas.

[dubovitskiy.1947]

osoboye_mneniye,
For my obscene conversation received. Repeatedly. But it’s a pity to lose the audience and the opportunity to speak out. While the moderators endure, I will be present. And we'll see.

[dubovitskiy.1947]

osoboye_mneniye,
You confuse the logical expression-true-false with the MEASUREMENT of two (many) concepts. Equality is a dimension. Concepts - the lie or truth of measurement of magnitude does not require Logic does not operate by comparing different truths or lies. They are not equal by definition, if only by virtue of different concepts assigned to these definitions. Truth is sweet is not equal to truth is black. If you switch to hexadecimal logic (and why you need to behave modestly and squeeze into a bit of information?) Then an incredibly flexible tool appears in your hands.
Answer the simple question - how is it easier to lift a weight with a lever when it is rigid and not flexible, or with a lever having a hundred different joints installed where it is not known in advance?

[bk316]

You confuse the logical expression - true - false with MEASURING two (many) concepts

This is not what you confuse, what you describe is called vector Boolean logic, and k-valued logics (k-valued functions) are defined just on the set 0 .. (k-1).
Full-scale vector logic is used in programming; there is nothing new here.

[Cobra77]

And what do we already produce everything? And the process and memory and a complete set of kits? And everything is in military performance? It seems like not. Then what is getting rid of import dependence? Is that again overwhelmed by hohlyatsky?

[Nitarius]

Another bravura ----- and stupid counted about success!
But but but
1) All our gentlemen are military men and their wives, children use mobile phones .. but in fact these are the ears of the family! and eyes! so loud replaced ... on military equipment yes .. maybe BUT NOT FACT! in linukha there are Codes which at the level of iron open such things that many are silent! So there is no need to fuss too much .. hardware not only consists of software but also hardware tabs and so on!
2) The programs of the subcontractors as they were not protected and still are! and they make orders for DEFENSE! so LIES PURE WATER! not only cleans his desk .. but also those who work for you until the second knee!

[bk316]

hardware tabs and tp!

You still "laying" write an ehperd pancake ......

[Antonio_Mariarti]

It’s early, although a lot has been done, both from accessories in PCs and servers, to its own OS and its own communication channel. So, a lot has been done, this is great news, and most importantly, most of the graduate students work, who are unlikely to get to work abroad if they are worthy to pay and there will be a favorite job)

[Alexey-74]

I really want to agree ..... time will check how much we have accomplished this task .... and I really want to believe that the quality of our "IT" is really at the level (and not just of no analogues in the world) ..... ...............

[Alvul]

Those. It doesn’t give special advantages in terms of reliability, they just got rid of it. Except that it will become more expensive.