Glock presented a new generation of pistols

According to the portal guns.com, the Austrian company Glock officially announced the release of a new modification of the Glock 17 pistol and its shortened version of the Glock 19.

Pistols Glock 17 and Glock 19 of the fifth generation (Gen 5) outwardly almost do not differ from their "ancestors" - internal details have undergone changes weapons. According to Josh Dorsey, vice-president of Glock, the pistol’s design remained the same, but the weapons received updated knots created “according to new standards”, reports "Warspot"

Glock 17 Gen 5

The Glock 17 and Glock 19 Gen 5 received an updated barrel with a new grooving technology. The changes affected the trigger mechanism - now it works on the principle of compression, not stretching, as before. Pistols have a modified return spring and a modified fuse. In addition, minor changes were made to the design of the store.

Glock 17 first generation

Such significant changes in the design make the interchangeability of parts of pistols of the fifth and fourth generations even smaller than that of the fourth and third generations. In this case, the company Glock indicate that the new guns have become even more reliable compared to its predecessors. So, if the standard quality indicator for a pistol is to shoot 11 000 cartridges without a misfire and delays caused by a weapon, then the first samples of Glock 17 Gen 5 were shot at using 30 000 cartridges.

Last August, Glock released Glock 17M and Glock 19M pistols for power structures. According to Josh Dorsey, they are the first representatives of the fifth generation, and in the coming days, the Glock 17 Gen 5 and Glock 19 Gen 5 pistols will appear on the civilian weapons market.

Comments

[VAZ2106]

significantly change the filling of pistols, well done do not rest on their laurels

[bouncyhunter]

I hope the upgrade does not spoil a really great gun.

[cniza]

Many people like this device and there is a reason.

[bouncyhunter]

Had the opportunity to shoot Glock-18 With bursts - VESCH! Here you have a company previously engaged in hardware ...

[cniza]

Yes, he is known anywhere in the world and appreciated.

[tol100v]

Quote: cniza

Many people like this device and there is a reason.

And does this produce a country that considers itself neutral? M.B. there has long been no color revolution ?!

[bouncyhunter]

Is she needed there?

[cniza]

Someone apparently does not sleep ...

[bouncyhunter]

So even before the lights out even more than an hour, Vitya. And today we have a Saturday - therefore, the end time and at all at 23:00.

[NG inform]

Well, yes, do not forget that this country is guilty of the genocide of Russians, the creation of Ukrainians and still has not repented of their deeds, has not paid reparations and does not contribute to the re-classification of western Ukraine, by analogy with the Germans.

[xetai9977]

Always loved Glock's design! Elegance of the highest standard!

[bouncyhunter]

This is not a sports car to judge elegance, dear. This is a weapon.

[adma]

Guano is an advertised, not a combat pistol. Maybe good as a civilian weapon. but I wouldn’t go to battle with him. I will answer right away - he shot, yes he shot a lot, but from Glock 17 and Glock 42.

[Semen Semyonitch]

Arguments?

[adma]

Objectively, the undersending of the cartridge. Subjectively - when shooting with one hand, poor grip and twisting of the hand when fired. When covered with two hands, after each shot you have to do an interception.

[siberalt]

I won’t believe it until I see it in computer shooters.

[Vladimirets]

Quote: vazxnumx

significantly change the filling of pistols, well done do not rest on their laurels

They do not significantly change anything there, PR-move, nothing more. Glock is a classic pistol, such as AK, but the office is purely commercial, therefore, to increase sales, we need such "updates".

[bouncyhunter]

Zhenya, hello! Doesn’t resemble service packs and updates for one well-known operating system?

[Vladimirets]

Quote: bouncyhunter

Doesn’t resemble service packs and updates for one well-known operating system?

Pasha, hi A lot of work, rarely. Reminds me very much. It is very difficult to perfect the perfect.

[bouncyhunter]

Those sysadmins who scold the vindovoz - cheat on the soul: if it were armor-piercing, many would lose their jobs!

[Vladimirets]

Quote: bouncyhunter

who scolds a vindovoz - they’re bewildering: if it were armor-piercing, many would lose their jobs!

Pasha, you scare me, I understand from your words only a third. I'm not an IT person. I can talk about Glock ...

[bouncyhunter]

Zhenya, I'm sorry - I smacked you on my own. I am not vyseka in both topics. And as for Glock - the gun is excellent, it’s better that I only held and shot STI Trojan in my hands. I dream to make RazorCat, but there is a big problem: there are only 100 of them released, all are registered ...

[Vladimirets]

Quote: bouncyhunter

Glock - the gun is excellent, it’s better that I only held and shot STI Trojan in my hands.

Glock is a pistol classic, and there's nothing to talk about.

Quote: bouncyhunter

I dream to make RazorCat, but there is a big problem: there are only 100 of them released, all are registered.

I don’t know, Pash, I didn’t see anything prodigal in him.

[bouncyhunter]

I saw him in the video in the hands of JJ Racaza and read the reviews of those who shot: he hardly leaves the aiming line during intense shooting. Actually, this is precisely the target sports pistol, which can be seen from its appearance. And according to Glock, I’m saying - excellent handgun.

[Vladimirets]

Quote: bouncyhunter

Actually, this is precisely the target sports pistol, which can be seen from its appearance.

Nuuu, this is, in principle, sports equipment.

[bouncyhunter]

Nevertheless, many would not mind using it outside of sport, especially since it is not a “small thing”, but 9X19.

[poquello]

cool, but I thought "drone"

[210ox]

Strange. Gen5 is translated as 5th generation .. And they talk about 19
.

Quote: poquello

cool, but I thought "drone"

[Logall]

Quote: poquello

cool, but I thought "drone"

Weird! After all, this is a very famous arms company. Make a great weapon. Unfortunately, for our gunsmiths, and our specialists work with him.

[210ox]

At one time, Tokarev took the Colt army as the basis for the TT .. Can our gunsmiths take as a basis a really successful pistol, rather than spraying forces and means?

Quote: Logall

Quote: poquello

cool, but I thought "drone"

Weird! After all, this is a very famous arms company. Make a great weapon. Unfortunately, for our gunsmiths, and our specialists work with him.

[Logall]

Absolutely obvious thing! I agree with you completely. Even the famous MikhTim did not invent anything conceptually new. I took the experience already used by someone and combined it in one sample.
Now we have an AK!

[poquello]

Quote: Logall

Absolutely obvious thing! I agree with you completely. Even the famous MikhTim did not invent anything conceptually new. I took the experience already used by someone and combined it in one sample.
Now we have an AK!

for others, it’s only rarely comes out to take operating time and get “not AK”

[Vladimirets]

Quote: Logall

Absolutely obvious thing! I agree with you completely. Even the famous MikhTim did not invent anything conceptually new. I took the experience already used by someone and combined it in one sample.
Now we have an AK!

A bicycle is also a difficult thing.

[poquello]

Quote: 210ox

Maybe our gunsmiths can take as a basis a really successful pistol, and not spray forces and means?

if our pistols are so licked - it’s not known which one will be better

[PSih2097]

Quote: poquello

if our pistols so lick - it is not known which will be better

... with a file, then with a file ...

[poquello]

Quote: PSih2097

Quote: poquello

if our pistols so lick - it is not known which will be better

... with a file, then with a file ...

this is national

Refinement of Saigi (drawings from M-Mikhalych)
http://forum.guns.ru/forum_light_message/43/11875
5.html

[Black Colonel]

210ox
At one time, Tokarev took the army Colt as the basis of the TT.
In fact, Tokarev was imposed a browning model, although he had his own idea.

[WHAT IS]

And let them work with good Austrian cars, Sash, I see nothing wrong with that

[tol100v]

Quote: WHAT IS

And let them work

Especially in Tula and Izhevsk! Let them catch up with GSh-18 and drg. and other You need to dance from the cartridge!

[Vladimirets]

Quote: Tol100v

Let them catch up with GSh-18 and drg. and other You need to dance from the cartridge!

Is it necessary? There is a great option, why bother?

[Logall]

Lyosha, hello! I'm glad to see you!!!
Of course let them work. With our `` AK '' more than half the world work! But even our gunsmiths, let them not lag behind !!!

[poquello]

Quote: WHAT IS

And let them work with good Austrian cars, Sash, I see nothing wrong with that

Firstly, I agree with you - when everyone uses what they like, it’s good, and secondly, you don’t need to believe in advertising stories about blogs - not everyone uses them or wants to use them.

[poquello]

Quote: Logall

Quote: poquello

cool, but I thought "drone"

Weird! After all, this is a very famous arms company. Make a great weapon. Unfortunately, for our gunsmiths, and our specialists work with him.

nothing strange, as in the advertising of very famous shaving blades - three blades, six tilts, 48 ​​calculations, four blades, seven tilts, eight bends, two strips, three strips - completely pregnant with engineering machines and shaving blades

[On guard]

All modern pistols are almost the same. Internal organization.
The difference is only in materials, finishes, etc.

[Settlement Oparyshev]

I didn’t buy a glock from 1st to 4th, so I can’t buy 5th.

[UAZ 452]

So after all, “Glock” and ruin succeed. All Russians ignored him! They don’t buy anything.

[Curious]

It seems that the site is called Military Review, and the information is like in a glossy magazine.
Who has no problems with the enemy language - http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/08/16/new
-fbi-glock-rumors-surface /

[Altona]

Coming soon on all 3D printers.

[APASUS]

I would say that it’s light and comfortable, ergonomics are on the level. Shooting does not cause inconvenience, the return is minimal, there is only one drawback, we do not have a license.
Convenient car, had to use

[Dzafdet]

The resource of the barrel of the PM sample of the 70s - 1000000 shots ....

[WHAT IS]

Don't live so much Do not have time to shoot so many times, then why such a resource ...

[Blackmokona]

And the reward of comparing liter to kilogram leaves Dzafget

So, if the standard indicator of quality for a pistol is a shot of 11 rounds without misfires and delays due to the fault of the weapon, then the first Glock 000 Gen 17 samples shot 5 rounds each.

The article shots without misfires and delays, and you're talking about the resource.

But on the resource

Glock pistol declared by the manufacturer is at least 300 shots

http://ohrana.ru/weapon/pistols/2959/
And PM

Warranty resource for the PM pistol barrel - 4000 shots.

http://www.armoury-online.ru/articles/pistols/rus
sia / pm /

Modern PMs, as a rule, do not withstand more than 5000, since they, in fact, are not designed for this.

[PSih2097]

Quote: BlackMokona

But on the resource
Glock pistol declared by the manufacturer is at least 300 shots
http://ohrana.ru/weapon/pistols/2959/

my comment "Pistol Yarygin against the Austrian Glock" of September 10, 2012 ...

ПЯ cost - 13 000 r., resource 4000 shots (works after processing by a file - literally)
the cost of the SR 1M - 45 000 p., a resource of 4000 shots.
Glock cost 17 - 19 800 p., resource 250 000 shots ...

[Kerensky]

What ?! 1.000.000 shots ?! Take the calculator! If from that Glock firing once a day, then 82 years is needed to replace the barrel. Grandchildren from the blaster will sew. And you charged a mulon!

[Blackmokona]

And the reward of an inattentive reader goes to Kerensky!

What ?! 1.000.000 shots ?! Take the calculator! If from that Glock firing once a day, then 82 years is needed to replace the barrel. Grandchildren from the blaster will sew. And you charged a mulon! lol

Resource barrel PM sample of the 70s - 1000000 shots .... laughing tongue wassat

Glock pistol declared by the manufacturer is at least 300 shots

[Kerensky]

Thanks for the reward. So, in response: It is stated:
1. PM 1.000.000 shots
2. Glock 300.000 shots
Agree that this is a very large resource. 3 Glock can be demolished while one PM dies out. As practice shows, one gram of dust removes one gram of metal from the barrel. Do you agree? The wear of the chamber again ...
My opinion: 2.000 -2.500 shots will normally be on the trunk. USM ..... well, here the issue is debatable, the surfaces are cemented, as soon as the carbon film is rubbed, wear will be catastrophic. I put on 5.000 - 7.000 operations. the wrong order of numbers looms ...

[Blackmokona]

I propose a business plan, you buy Glock, you shoot 7-8 thousand rounds of ammunition, sue the manufacturer, sue millions.

[tracer]

Glock makes good guns. Although I prefer the Smith and Wesson MP pro.

[Curious]

Is this some kind of special modification with a sawn fly?

[Dzafdet]

Quote: WHAT IS

Don't live so much Do not have time to shoot so many times, then why such a resource ...

It used to be such a word. And there were people. and technology. and now for so many years under the cartridge 9 * 19 they can’t do anything worthwhile .. I’m wedging, the rest have not advanced further than the prototypes .. And the resource is needed for the accuracy of a shot at a target ...

[serriy]

and when will we have a short barrel allowed?

[Settlement Oparyshev]

He understood what he asked, it’s necessary to change the whole way. The matriarchy is the Patriarchate, and nobody will do that.

[anjey]

beloved pistol - "Solonnik" would have been alive many more authorities of the criminal world still tumbled down - "white arrow ....

[Holoy]

Great guns! Apparently the best and most technologically advanced in the world! Eh, MO would buy them? They either sit in the lobby or stubborn demagogues and they all pray at the PM! Meanwhile, Glock has long been in service with the FSO and the FSB ...

[fyvaprold]

Quote: Holoy

Apparently the best and most technologically advanced in the world!

And GSh-18, in your opinion, is less technological? By the way, you know the term "Glock bit "? With a PM like this is impossible (if the shooter, of course, is not oligophrenic at the stage of imbecilism). And it would not hurt to compare prices, even with the same PM. So, in my humble opinion, you have not exaggerated so weakly. Sincerely.

[Holoy]

Your quote is the lot of the poor

Yes, and I did not see something of the FSO with the General Staff ...

[fyvaprold]

Quote: Holoy

Your quote is the lot of the poor

More specifically, you can. On Saturdays, allegories are bad for me.

[fyvaprold]

By the way, I’ll add more “firewood”. In the FSB all kinds of weapons in bulk, both ours and overseas, but only PS, APS, PSM are officially adopted, GS-18 is also found, which has been adopted by the Army since 2003. Since the 90s, the FSO has been armed with the SR-1 "Vector" (nee "Gyurza"), and nowhere has it ever been "Glock", by the way, precisely about the "Gyurza" would have recently been a scandal when the US Secret Service demanded to disarm the FSO fighters, because not a single American body armor used by the Secret Service could withstand the bullets of our pistol. This is also in your opinion

Quote: Holoy

destiny of the poor

or how?

[Kerensky]

We, the provincials, and the "lordly regiment" of the APS and PSM used, although the exotic was in bulk ...
Glock and Beretta are good cars, but they hurt "cops" or "civilians", but here they have their own specifics ....

[Holoy]

Og ... Still say that the FSO does not have English sniper rifles ...

[fyvaprold]

Quote: Holoy

Og ... Still say that the FSO does not have English sniper rifles ...

The FSO also has German and American cars, fighters use French (and not only) men's perfumes, eat Chinese (Japanese, Indian, etc., depending on their location) food, drink the Hungarian Tokai and much, much another. Only all this, like "English sniper rifles", have nothing to do with the topic under discussion. You again fired “into milk”, while the FSO’s regular pistol still remains SR-1 "Vector"and not the flawed Glock, of which IMHO’s advantages are only the "palm" and the "untwisted" brand, despite the fact that it doesn’t lose much to many other "plastic" pistols, examples of a breakthrough: FN Five seveN, Walther P99 yes and the above GSH-18 и CP-1 Do the creation of Gaston Glock, as Gd tortoise.

[Holoy]

A lot of pathetic and no facts in your comments! Here is the FSO English rifle:

[fyvaprold]

Quote: Holoy

A lot of pathetic and no facts in your comments!

Add specifics.

Quote: Holoy

Here is the FSO English rifle:

AND? Show me where I disputed this.

[Holoy]

So you're tricky. You know that Glock is secretly rushing ... I accidentally saw Glock at their cabaret of hidden wearing ... Everything else ... nothing!

[fyvaprold]

Quote: Holoy

So you're tricky. You know that Glock is secretly rushing ... I accidentally saw Glock at their cabaret of hidden wearing ... Everything else ... nothing!

The "Vector" is also not outweighed by the fact that the FSO adopted it, as well as the fact of its use (the scandal in America connected precisely with the CP-1) is widely known, but Glock is known only from your words. Take humble advice. Walk less on the FSO “weapons” and more on the shooting range, where you will be able to personally evaluate what you are writing about. Sincerely.

[fyvaprold]

The author is apparently a schoolboy. To write

now it works on the principle of squeezing, not stretching

could only an illiterate or a student of elementary grades. After this "pearl" did not even read.

[zarus]

The first definition of a person who knows nothing about weapons at all is a person who considers Glock a weapon.

The first time I shot Glock in 1993, I was completely surprised by the abyss between what that instance was and what it was painted by the advertisement, i.e. complete mismatch with reality.

At the shooting ranges, young people with Glocks constantly loomed who praised them. Those who know what it is will immediately see a complete resemblance to bright young people who hang out in clubs praising one or another brand of vodka.

The Glock 17 which I then shot was a complete engineering failure in which, after several shots, the store began to disconnect without permission, which led to a delay in each subsequent shot, forcing the shutter to be jerked. At the same time, in stores that, for no reason, were made into half of polymers, the buildings standardly produced vertical cracks due to which the power to the weapons was disrupted.

You can’t list all Glock jambs on one page, it’s just worth noting that a couple of years ago Glock Corporation bought an Internet resource that collected facts of regular and catastrophic breakdowns of all Glock models, for example, including not only complete rupture of the chamber, but also cracks in the cups of the shutters of a police batch plots of Greece.

Those who want to really dig into this topic should take an interest in the financial fraud of the liberals who initially shoved the cheap Glock instead of the excellent Steyer GB, after which they took up America where Glock shoved Glock into the structures of the US security forces with corruption and crime.

Glock's cheapness was based on powder technology for the production of basic metal parts, including the shutter itself, and a cheap method of forming channels rather than cutting the barrel. The Glock trunk has no grooves in the channel, there is their formation, which is erroneously called "polygonal".

Good luck young people.

[Grim Reaper]

I have never seen, but read a huge number of positive reviews. Is everything so bad?

[zarus]

From the point of view of a profitable business, Glock is very good, they easily repay endless litigation from which they do not come out.

In fact, the first models of samples that were tested by the FBI did not pass the elementary drop test; throwing sideways from the height of an outstretched arm a bolt jumped off the frame. By lengthening the rear grooves to direct the shutter movement, such a gross flaw was eliminated, and then only after not accepting the FBI tests.

Officially, the Glocks never had any flaws, even when hundreds of employees of various departments were crippled by involuntary shots, but the Glock Corporation has the standard practice of “voluntary updating” of their models. That is, when a catastrophic flaw is so obvious that another judicial dismantling threatens, Glock sends invitations to return samples for "voluntary renewal."

The latest models use powder steel and grooves to direct the movement of the shutter, now these parts are completely formed from powder, the result of which will be obvious after 5 thousand shots.

My friend has the original Glock 17 of the first modified generation with which he served, the quality of materials and production technology head-and-shoulders surpasses that complete rubbish that has been striking for the last decade. In the same so-called new models, even the ejector is made of powder steel. In this case, the lateral free play of the shutter in the grooves such that the barrel muzzle deviates by +/- 3-4mm.

That is why Glock's advertising from the very beginning focused on reliability and accuracy, which is repeated without interruption and in this way becomes a reality.

The first two generations, like cheap, used pistols for civilian use, really have a place to be on the market, at an initial price of $ 250- $ 300, as it was at the beginning, all other options are a sucker divorce.

Initially, a truly sensible development was the Steyr M1 model, and it was developed by engineers who developed the very first pistol model that Glock trite and threw the very same engineers.

Ironically, it was the Steyr M1 model that was selling in the United States for $ 250- $ 300 when Glock was for $ 500- $ 600, but Steyr was not able to compete with Gaston Glock's criminal games, and the model did not have commercial success.

[Grim Reaper]

The first blade shaves cleanly
The second is even cleaner
Third extends the rest
........
Fifteenth polishes the jaw.

And in the case. I would really like to hold it, try it.

[CooL_SnipeR]

Shot out of 34 ... despite the enthusiastic fapana in advance ... the sensations are not very ... less accurate ... in general, 92 eeretta liked more. Plastic evil

[poquello]

Quote: Ecilop

Fifteenth polishes the jaw.

the fifteenth does not polish anything - two are much more enough, from the application of the rest the characteristics do not seriously change

[Dzafdet]

The PM pistol was present in every installation of the cosmonaut’s property and equipment on the Vostok spacecraft, that is, it was he who became the first small arms to be in space.
At least until 2004, the State Unitary Enterprise “Instrument Design Bureau” was guarded by an operational PM pistol manufactured in 1949 (serial number 11) with about 50 thousand shots fired [18].
Around the PM pistol, the plot of the film "Makarov" unfolds. The gun even becomes, in a sense, the protagonist of the film.

[Dzafdet]

Effective managers in action:
So the Soviet "Makarovs" in shooting ranges have up to 40000 shots. The resource of the return spring is on average 5000 to 7000 shots. Modern PM, as a rule, cannot withstand more than 5000, since they, in fact, are not designed for this. Another example of reliability - one owner of an old combat PM fired only about 52000 shots from his pistol without a single delay. With proper experience and training, the pistol demonstrates excellent accuracy, even with standard grip cheeks. For example, the author knows the following result - when shooting at a distance of 25 meters with a series of five shots, when shooting with two hands at a low rate, with Barnaul cartridges with shell bullets, the maximum diameter of the group of hits was 60 mm! Even today, with a huge assortment of the latest and most advanced models from leading manufacturers such as Glock, Beretta, Steyr, Walther, Smith & Wesson and Sig Sauer, many well-versed in weapons people choose the proven, reliable Makarov pistol to protect their lives.

[zarus]

My Bulgarian PM had a breakdown during the initial sighting. In the first +/- 200 rounds, the spring lock of the fuse broke, the chip threw into my face, the fuse from the shots flew out of the bolt and released the firing pin. In this case, the breakdown did not affect the firing, although the release of the hammer from the bolt which is not fixed by the fuse is theoretically possible. After replacing the retainer, repeated failures were not observed, therefore, I assume that there was a marriage of the spring by quenching.

In 1999, I had a Beretta 8000 with a shutter lock by turning the barrel. I didn’t play for a long time, after 3 thousand shots went wild wear of aluminum grooves for the direction of movement of the steel shutter. there was no unloading of his rollback. The shutter knocked the rails of the frame with stops. After firing, he wiped aluminum wear from the mechanisms during cleaning. In subsequent models, they did the unloading, but with them the shutter and trigger design itself was intolerably clumsy. In the climate of Italy and on the thigh of a policeman, there was still no progress, but as a military weapon such chips do not climb into any gates.

I’m also personally acquainted with various CheZed 75 models. On my steel 75 Compact, the trigger return spring has already broken two times, the shot was miserable, +/- 500 shots, i.e. not wear but banal springs. Such failures were not observed in the original 75s 80s-90s, and there are specific reasons for this.

Firstly, because of the collapse, by the end of the 90s steel went to a lower grade, which did not bypass the rest. The springs are produced not by the CheZed factory but somewhere it is not known where and their quality standards are clearly not met by any criteria. CheZed also got a new disease of bolt-off break-ins, after about 2000 shots. The initially weak return spring also quickly weakened, after about 3000 rounds a replacement is needed.

All these diseases were not observed on the original 75x models, although the SK spring return solution is really not the best one.

With all this, CheZed remained one of the last representatives of pistols that are not based on powder steel technology, therefore, even with all the problems described above, the CheZed line and their copies are the most valid weapons on the modern affordable market. They shoot very well, better than anything from everything I tried.

Therefore, everything mechanical breaks down, especially weapons, and if not because of breakdowns then by negligence, the difference in the degree of reliability and simplicity / cost of repair.

I rely on the PM, on the CheZed only after personally replacing all the springs with proven quality ones, I rely on the earlier Sig Sauer models, on the Beretta Glock, etc. not in any case, but in a bad case, any weapon is better than no weapon at all.

[fyvaprold]

Quote: zarus

My Bulgarian PM had a breakdown during the initial sighting. In the first +/- 200 rounds, the spring lock of the fuse broke, the chip threw into my face, the fuse from the shots flew out of the bolt and released the firing pin.

Sorry, I haven’t met the Bulgarian PM, but did the Bulgarians really rework it? In the Soviet (original) PM, nothing like this could happen. The fuse is held in the bolt by the hammer and can only be removed from the bolt removed from the bolt, after turning the flag vertically upward and shaking the hammer from the bolt channel. Why would the Bulgarians complicate a reliable and simple design? Sincerely.

[zarus]

The Bulgarians did not redo anything, everything is much simpler. When the fixing spring breaks, the fuse starts to freely hang in the bolt. When the shutter returns to the original flag without locking, it is pulled up, and with the last shot when the shutter lingers on the delay, the fuse simply falls out of the gun, along with the firing pin from the channel.

This is the only weak spot that I found in the design of the PM, everything else is so thorough that there are no words.

My Bulgarians from the VD29 series

[UAZ 452]

The 17th Glock is a suitable machine, it turned out to try in the dash: the first time it feels like a native in the hand. With the same PM and Yarygin, the comparison does not go at all. I wish our gunsmiths ceased to sculpt "unique" and "world-class" crafts and would create a normal Glock clone. Yes, even a license would be acquired.

[Settlement Oparyshev]

Another fan of fried, read above what people write.

[UAZ 452]

People will write this ... And about communism around the world, and about the most advanced Soviet medicine, and about a separate apartment for each family. And how many of them personally communicated with the green men!

[fyvaprold]

Quote: UAZ 452

The 17th Glock is a suitable machine, it turned out to try in the dash: the first time it feels like a native in the hand. With the same PM and Yarygin, the comparison does not go at all. I wish our gunsmiths ceased to sculpt "unique" and "world-class" crafts and would create a normal Glock clone. Yes, even a license would be acquired.

Let me ask you a curiosity, where did you happen to play? Glock in the Federation of Practical Shooting is unreasonable, I had to shoot from it, as well as from the GS-18, and so I liked the GS, but I didn’t, but I only saw it in the pictures. By the way, there is a license for the Glock in Russia, it is being issued for practical shooting and for export, as a weapon for the army it failed the test. True, it is not known whether the shutter is made using “advanced” powder technology, or according to our “oak” method, forging from forgings, and the trunks are forged on the mandrel, or they are cut according to the “archaic” method, or at least sealed if our “antediluvian” ones are used "methods, then the licensed version is clearly better than the original. IMHO. Sincerely.

[UAZ 452]

Let me ask you a curiosity, where did you happen to play? Glock in the Federation of Practical Shooting is unreasonable, I had to shoot from it, as well as from the GS-18, and so I liked the GS, but I didn’t, but I only saw it in the pictures.

St. Petersburg. Shooting range on Matis Island. He shot from CZ, Glock (17 or 19 - I don’t remember, about generations and the country of production, in principle, I don’t know what it was) and Viking, about which I was told that this was a civilian modification of the Yarygin pistol (Wikipedia also confirms this).
Thanks for the additional information. I have no reason not to trust professionals, to whom I myself do not belong on this issue. But I repeat my impressions: Glock ergonomics (by which I mean usability, although I understand that the term is not limited to this) is a cut above the Viking and higher than the Czech.

[zarus]

Excuse me, what is your hand if Glock is more convenient for you than Cech?

The main complaint about Glock is the inconvenient tilt of the handle, its inconvenient configuration, namely the angularity, and the drawdown when shooting down and to the right. Arrows are the first thing to do with the Glock handle or stick around with sticky emery or a soldering iron to solder "dragon scales" into plastic. It is because of the lack of convenience that finger grips were added starting from the 3rd generation, and why they were removed in the 5th generation. The Steyr M9 handle is the competent solution to the problem of raw Glock.

For example, I only have Chekhov three units apart from clones, SP-01T, PTsR and Kompakt, I didn’t shoot from more convenient copies of the pistols, but this is because the convenience of the pistol is measured not by how pleasant it is in the hand, but by how it sits in the hand immediately after the shot and how much the front sight has shifted from the target.

The Czechs get back on target themselves, Gloki need to be brought to know what affects but the speed and accuracy of the fire.

Convenience is measured simply, after a shot, the grip of the handle should not change in any way, but be in the same place as before the shot. This is especially evident during firing from two hands. After the shot, it is at Glokov that the “pick-up” of crimping with the left hand over the right is typical because the handle turns to the side to the right, which displaces the girth of the left hand. Chekhov did not have this because there is no change in grip when shooting with one hand or with two.

Glock is an accountant tool and not a shooter, which is evident in all kinds of competitions. Winners almost all work in the Czechs.

[Yuri Filippov]

Killing people becomes much more convenient.

[uporov65]

In the "trenches" of them all, and there it will be seen. Here our UAZ is also not very seemingly, but on real roads, many eminent foreigners will furnish. Bury our guns early.