Belarus introduced a floating armored car "Vitim"

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The Belarusian company Minotor-Service brought to the Army-2017 forum a multipurpose floating armored car Vitim.

A seven-ton armored car can swim at a speed of - 5 km / h. The adviser to the director of the Minotor-Service, Yuri Grebenshchikov, told about this, the news agency reported "Voennoe.rf"

Belarus introduced a floating armored car "Vitim"


"Vitim" is intended for reconnaissance, escort and guard colon, fire support, conducting special operations, providing protection for the crew. The Vitima armor provides all-round protection against 7,62 mm bullets at a distance of 10 m. The hull is able to withstand the underside of the F-1 or RGO hand grenade and the 0,5 kg explosive device in TNT equivalent. It is also possible to use an armored car as an assault vehicle and a transport base for light systems of small arms and missile weapons, communications and other equipment.

Vehicle length - 5,3 m, width - 2,4 m, height - 2,2 m. Clearance - 43, see. Load capacity - 1 ton. Wheelbase - 4 * 4. Maximum speed - 125 km / h. Power reserve - 800 km.

Based on the 4-wheel version of the Vitim, the developers managed to create its 6-wheel version with all-wheel-drive Vitim 668240, but without the ability to move afloat.
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  1. +1
    26 August 2017 13: 22
    What is it, he reminds me of a modified tiger), the current revision was taught to "swim" why for him? Well, a useful bonus but not mandatory ...
    1. +5
      26 August 2017 13: 34
      Quote: Alex_Rarog
      Something he reminds me of a modified tiger)

      And Hamer amersky ... Forever we copy forms! Or specifically someone makes?
      Here is our Russian, reliable ...

      Drive the Basmachi! soldier
      1. +4
        26 August 2017 13: 59
        Mikhan, the UAZ-452 is good, but the GAZ-69 is better!
        1. 0
          26 August 2017 21: 25
          Quote: sabakina
          Mikhan, the UAZ-452 is good, but the GAZ-69 is better!

          actually it’s 469 direct heir to the GAZ-69A
          1. +4
            26 August 2017 21: 29
            Yes, I'm sorry, I remembered my "loaf" on the machine ... Yes, UAZ-469.
      2. Hog
        +7
        26 August 2017 14: 09
        To the first machine gun.
    2. +11
      26 August 2017 14: 11
      There was a time, our border troops were very interested in the French armored car. It is for the sake of this "useful but optional bonus.
      In addition, vehicles with "useful but optional" can accompany infantry on an armored personnel carrier / infantry fighting vehicle. And without this bonus, they are forced to wait along with the rear vehicles for the guidance of the pontoon bridge.
      1. +1
        26 August 2017 15: 19
        So, there is a special offer for grants for them.
        1. +2
          26 August 2017 19: 12
          Quote: Alex_Rarog
          So, there is a special offer for grants for them.

          An interesting name for Belarus is “Vitim”, where is Minsk, and where is Yakutia? what
        2. +1
          26 August 2017 19: 55
          Quote: Alex_Rarog
          So waterman

          There is only a name in it
  2. +5
    26 August 2017 13: 31
    I read the debate in the next topic - from the series "enough leeches to feed" laughing Therefore I will throw, Schaub did not relax:
    From well done! Floating, Karl! Are you weak? wassat
    1. +1
      26 August 2017 13: 37
      Yes, and no one is against .. It should be a good car. The name is only strange. Tell VITIM in translation from Belarusian what? I don’t think that this is the name of the Siberian river ..
      Quote: Guerilla
      I read the debate in the next topic - from the series "enough leeches to feed" laughing Therefore I will throw, Schaub did not relax:
      From well done! Floating, Karl! Are you weak? wassat
      1. 0
        26 August 2017 23: 30
        Quote: 210ox
        The name is only strange. Tell VITIM in translation from Belarusian what?

        maybe just the last letter H to M was replaced for political correctness
  3. +2
    26 August 2017 13: 32
    But why is it better than an ordinary armored personnel carrier?
    1. +6
      26 August 2017 13: 36
      Quote: vazxnumx
      But why is it better than an ordinary armored personnel carrier?

      I would put the question differently:
      How does it differ from the ~ non-floating ~ Scorpio, Tiger, Typhoon-Airborne and the new militarized UAZ with an always open hood? wink
      1. +6
        26 August 2017 14: 01
        Don’t feed you the troll! I already write an indictment!
        1. +2
          26 August 2017 14: 39
          keep insults to yourself, hamam is not the place here
      2. +6
        26 August 2017 21: 15
        Yes, a normal car, like all Belarusian equipment. A classmate of the Russian tiger, plus the ability to swim. In general, it should be noted that the Belarusians managed to save the Soviet engineering school and bring up a new generation of engineers, who are not ashamed to admit that they are engineers, and not some idlers-managers-producers-lawyers. Hence the competent technical solutions, their technique is simply beautiful / proportional, for people in the subject it says a lot. Moreover, economic opportunities are not comparable with Russian ones. Well, what can you turn a once strong engineering school and industry, you can see the example of Durcaine. Compare which cadavres are issued by Durkain's “industry”, and what Belarusians do. As for me, well done.
    2. +7
      26 August 2017 13: 38
      Quote: article
      Based on the 4-wheel version of the Vitim, the developers managed to create its 6-wheel version with all-wheel-drive Vitim 668240, but without the ability to move afloat.

      Is this not his case?

      In general, the machine is “pretty” and most likely would be successful in foreign countries even to find out its price.
      1. +4
        26 August 2017 14: 13
        Quote: quilted jacket
        In general, the machine is “pretty” and most likely will be successful in foreign countries even to know its price

        A good machine ... it would be in the states of the SMB. In the supply platoon, instead of the "armored" Urals and KAMAZ. The mortar batteries were not bad either, and even as a base for R / S and sanmashiny.
        1. +1
          26 August 2017 14: 16
          Quote: Pancir026
          A good machine ... it would be in the states of the SMB. In the supply platoon, instead of the "armored" Urals and KAMAZ. The mortar batteries were not bad either, and even as a base for R / S and sanmashiny.

          Nevertheless, it’s better for us to make our own or, in extreme cases, buy a license for it and release it in our factories
          1. +4
            26 August 2017 14: 39
            Quote: quilted jacket
            Nevertheless, it’s better for us to make our own or, in extreme cases, buy a license for it

            Actually, we have a Union State. It would not be bad to remember this and load the available capacities in mutual interests. In addition, it would not be bad to provide military-technical assistance, checking the combat characteristics of this equipment, for example, in the SAR. There it was certainly would be in place.
            1. +3
              26 August 2017 14: 58
              Quote: Pancir026
              Actually, we have a Union State. It would not be bad to remember this and load the available capacities in the mutual interests

              Yes, I remember, but at the same time, we don’t fully rely on Belarus, we have a big country and a large army and it’s quite problematic to transport spare parts from Belarus to the Far East, so let them do it with us and we will deliver / give something to our brothers Belarusians .
              1. +3
                26 August 2017 15: 10
                Quote: quilted jacket
                and we will deliver / present to our brothers Belarusians something else.

                I agree. We need mutually beneficial cooperation.
            2. +1
              26 August 2017 18: 17
              This is a private enterprise that upgraded Russian shilka
              1. 0
                26 August 2017 19: 58
                As for the "particular" - it is difficult there. No wonder they are located so close to the MZKT.
            3. +2
              26 August 2017 20: 07
              Quote: Pancir026
              Actually, we have a Union State. It would be nice to remember this and load the available capacities

              There are no special capacities there. The company is developing for the archive. They announced themselves very cool- 2T "Stalker"

              Then the level gradually decreased. But no one wanted to take.
              Earn a small penny by modernizing small batches of Soviet technology.
              1. 0
                26 August 2017 20: 17
                Quote: Spade
                Earn a small penny by modernizing small batches of Soviet technology.

                Well .. although it would be something. Do we have a better situation? They showed the topic SAMUM-who invented something there? Well, the same ..
                But if they do, they think. It is possible that something will turn out. Which then can be applied in large series.
                1. +3
                  26 August 2017 20: 32
                  Quote: Pancir026
                  Well .. although it would be something. Do we have a better situation? They showed the topic SAMUM-who invented something there? Well, the same ..

                  Their counterpart in Russia is Protection Corporation. Also a bunch of great developments that have gone to the archive. Because there is a reinforced concrete wall on the way to the troops - "Military Industrial Company". Until recently, a monopolist in the wheeled armored market. And only Rostec was able to break through this wall because Chemezov’s paw is more hairy than that of Deripaska.

                  Well, there’s nothing to catch any "little things" like "Protection" or "Minotor". Even if their cars are super-efficient. - nobody will let them into this sandbox of “mastering the state defense order”.
          2. +1
            26 August 2017 16: 01
            so what did the “Wolf” not please you with ?, only it seems to have been quietly poher (((
            1. +1
              26 August 2017 16: 05
              Quote: bddrus
              so what did the “Wolf” not please you with ?, only it seems to have been quietly poher (((

              And you look at the contours of the triaxial VITIM.https: //topwar.ru/95882-vdv-rossii-zaintere
              sovalis-broneavtomobilem-vpk-39273-volk-iii.html
        2. +5
          26 August 2017 14: 45
          Pancir026 A good machine ... it would be in the states of the SMB. In the platoon of security instead of the "armored" Urals and KAMAZ

          Troll again?
          Why the hell do we need it if the listed vehicles and the Tiger have better armor protection, and the Belarusian one:
          The casing is capable of withstanding the detonation under the bottom of a F-1 or RGO hand grenade, as well as an explosive device with a power of 0,5 kg of TNT.
          1. +5
            26 August 2017 14: 46
            Quote: DOCTOR ZLO
            Troll again?

            Did you ask yourself? Why are you trolling? laughing
            Quote: DOCTOR ZLO

            Why the hell do we need her

            Yes, actually, I don’t need you either. bully
          2. +1
            26 August 2017 19: 57
            Quote: DOCTOR ZLO
            and tiger

            The "Tiger" is the same.
            1. 0
              27 August 2017 16: 12
              Quote: Spade
              Quote: DOCTOR ZLO
              and tiger

              The "Tiger" is the same.

              Read the periodicals about mine protection, including Tiger
              1. 0
                27 August 2017 17: 44
                Quote: DOCTOR ZLO
                Read the periodicals about mine protection, including Tiger

                Read. It does not exist.
                1. 0
                  27 August 2017 17: 53
                  Lopatov It does not exist.

                  Dumb you are some kind of gene. l-nt, you don’t know how to read roofing felts, or troll, most likely the second ..
                  The Russian analogue of the Italian car is the GAZ-2975 Tiger armored car. The armored car can be equipped with various weapons. The machine has great maneuverability. The speed of movement on public roads can be 140 km / h. Cross country - up to 80 km / h. "Tiger" depending on the modification is able to carry seven to ten people. Vehicle weight - 7200 kg. Vehicle armor reliably protects the crew from defeat 7,62 mm small arms and from the detonation of mines and grenades.

                  https://vpk.name/news/81601_shoigu_predlozhil_sra
                  vnit_bronemashinyi_ryis_i_tigr.html
                  https://topwar.ru/84095-den-innovaciy-yuvo-bronea
                  vtomobil-tigr.html
                  You throw it comrade general, periodicals must be read ...
                  1. 0
                    27 August 2017 19: 05
                    And where is there about mine action?
                    Fact: the only "Tiger" with protection against explosions, "Tiger-6A." It has not been submitted to state tests.
                    Moreover, no later than in late spring of this year, the “MIC” knocked out money from the Ministry of Defense for, attention, the development of a mine-protected “Tiger”. This is a statement of Krasovitsky himself. In your words, did they receive funding for the development of what was already developed?
  4. NUR
    +1
    26 August 2017 13: 38
    For hunting and fishing an irreplaceable thing. I think the commanders will like it.
  5. +1
    26 August 2017 13: 47
    Go better than free - Dongfeng Mengshi, which China has fitted ?!
    1. +3
      26 August 2017 14: 46
      This is the "grandmother for two said," Humvee, at least in the battles were ...
      1. +5
        26 August 2017 14: 51
        Quote: DOCTOR ZLO
        Humvee, at least in the battles were ...

        And? Showed that your boasted Humvee? A USEFUL car. On passability UAZ is inferior, underloaded. Passenger jeep overgrowth, everything is like amers dough to a heap, Humvee is on sale, the output is essentially unnecessary car.
        In general, despite the gigantic external dimensions, the Humvee’s interior is cramped and can accommodate only four people, including the driver. The crew includes a driver, a senior car and two paratroopers. But the whole center of the interior is occupied by a huge box, under which, in fact, the engine and transmission are located. Ergonomics ... missing. But all the main controls are located near the driver of the car. The main thing is to get used to their location. There is a small switch on the front bottom that can be used to adjust tire pressure. Moreover, separately for the front and rear wheels. Lighting control is assigned to a small remote control with three toggle switches to the left of the steering column. While you deal with them, night may pass. Instruments are scattered in a creative mess on the panel. Fortunately, the steering wheel is in place, although it is shifted to the left, forcing the driver to press against the door. Https: //topwar.ru/79576-test-drayv-hmmwv-m1
        151a1.html
        1. +3
          26 August 2017 15: 00
          Pancir026 And? Showed that your boasted Humvee? A USEFUL car. On passability UAZ is inferior, underloaded. Passenger jeep overgrowth, everything is like amers dough to a heap, Humvee is on sale, the output is essentially unnecessary car.

          I’m a humanist, it’s hard to argue, but the Americans are not stupid for decades to keep it in service if it would be worse than an UAZ ... especially as this car replaced the prototype UAZ ....
          The direct heirs of the legendary Jeep "Willis" are considered "Humvee", although more universal HMMWV at one time replaced several types of light army vehicles at once.
          http://warfor.me/avtomobili-hmmwv-hamvi/
          In general, despite its gigantic external dimensions, the Humvee’s interior is cramped and can accommodate only four people, including the driver.

          I traveled both in UAZ and in the civilian version of the HAMVI, so do not hang noodles to gullible forum users ...
          1. +3
            26 August 2017 15: 13
            Quote: DOCTOR ZLO
            I'm a humanist, it's hard to argue

            Well, if you are a humanist, then don’t get in a place where you feel uncomfortable. But I don’t enter into a polemic with you, for example, about Rubens’s priority over Botticheli according to some Gozmanudze-Razdolbaysky ...... .7
            Quote: DOCTOR ZLO
            I traveled both in UAZ and in the civilian version of the HAMVI, so do not hang noodles to gullible forum users ...

            Glad for you. Continue to study the strengths and weaknesses of technology.
            1. +3
              26 August 2017 16: 46
              Pancir026 Well, if you are a humanist, then don’t get in a place where you feel uncomfortable. But I don’t enter into a polemic with you, for example, about Rubens’s priority over Botticheli according to some Gozmanudze-Razdolbaysky ...... .7

              Che stupid include, I kind of attached a link about the HAMWI ....
          2. +4
            26 August 2017 16: 03
            even the humanities should be distinguished by a Chinese SUV similar to the Humvee and directly Humvee, especially comparing the characteristics ... especially the "civilian" Humvee
            1. +1
              26 August 2017 16: 48
              Quote: bddrus
              even the humanities should be distinguished by a Chinese SUV similar to the Humvee and directly Humvee, especially comparing the characteristics ... especially the "civilian" Humvee

              Dear I, where in my commentary I compared HAMVI and its Chinese counterpart, I just wrote that HAMVI is better than UAZ and Willis to replace the one he came to, look carefully at my comment and the link in it, and then sing along Pancir026
              1. +1
                26 August 2017 18: 04
                Quote: DOCTOR ZLO
                and then sing along to Pancir026

                You are definitely a humanist ... and it seems like blinded by his dubious greatness in knowledge ... you say HAMMER is a worthless car, so no. It starts with "I drove Humvee and UAZ .." connoisseur ...
                The cart from the Late Rome, the same is much worse than UAZ and even scary to think. Zaporozhetsa, do not you think that you were slightly mistaken by the audience, cheating here?
                1. +2
                  26 August 2017 18: 11
                  Pancir026 you are told HAMMER as a car, worthless, so no. begins "I drove Humvee and UAZ .." connoisseur ..

                  I did not say that HAMMER is the best car of all time, I wrote that you say nonsense when you write that it is better than UAZ, in addition, I sent you a link (unlike you) where comrades write (technically competent ) that HUMVI replaced VILLIS (analogous to UAZ - as I understand it), I just logically reason and confirm these arguments with links ...
                  1. +1
                    26 August 2017 18: 16
                    Quote: DOCTOR ZLO
                    speak nonsense

                    Speak. Speak, I am recording .....
                    Quote: DOCTOR ZLO
                    HUMVI replaced WILLIS (

                    Is this America's discovery for you? What did you want to say?
                    Quote: DOCTOR ZLO
                    I just logically reason and confirm this reasoning with links ...

                    You were logically and prudently given a link to an article in VO where it was clearly and in the case said what this machine has advantages and disadvantages. At present, this is a JAM machine for troops. So with logic, you have all humanities, riding on top, but not really teaching anything, hard ...
                    1. +2
                      26 August 2017 18: 24
                      Pancir026 This machine is Junk for troops.

                      No one argues that this car is already trash and others have long come to replace it ...
                      You still have not proved why UAZ is better than Hammer (this was the beginning of the dialogue) ...
                      So with logic you have. As with every humanist who jumped at the top, but did not really learn anything, it’s hard ...

                      Nervous, it’s good, so I’m right about the troll ... and you are higher than me in the rank, so I don’t know who it is and for the account of WHOM (now banned) you jumped ...
                      1. 0
                        26 August 2017 18: 41
                        Quote: DOCTOR ZLO
                        You have not proved why UAZ is better than Hammer

                        http://all4wd.ru/sravnenie-uaz-patriot-i-hummer-h
                        2
                        Study.
                        Quote: DOCTOR ZLO
                        Nervous, this is good, so I'm right about you troll ..

                        A troll about yourself in a fit of self-disclosure? Continue, interesting.
                        Quote: DOCTOR ZLO
                        Yes, and in the rank you are higher than me, so I don’t know who is there for what and at the expense of WHO (now banned) you jumped ...

                        Stunned ... it gives a person .. his virtzvaniya as something having in reality ... you happen to be in the sun, are not overheated?
                        Now I laugh, you are our humanist .. these are civilian versions for you, and here Humvee is in flight ..
                        http://ochepyatki.ru/view_video.php?viewkey=3c567
                        b3
    2. +2
      26 August 2017 18: 20
      Actually, they adopted the caiman and the MZKT and still received free Chinese cars
  6. +4
    26 August 2017 14: 34
    Belarus can rivet new developments as much as necessary, but until they have at least a rich client in the form of, for example, the Russian army, and until Belarus breaks this equipment in combat conditions, there will be no orders. And everything will remain at the level of crazy hands. And Russia will not buy because of import substitution.
  7. +3
    26 August 2017 14: 47
    So floating or slowly sinking? I do not understand.
    1. +4
      26 August 2017 15: 02
      Another, said the best in the world, which has no analogues, come to terms with this ...
      1. AUL
        0
        26 August 2017 21: 07
        So floating or slowly sinking? I do not understand.
        He is a suspension! laughing
  8. +3
    26 August 2017 14: 53
    Quote: Berkut24
    And Russia will not buy because of import substitution.

    Yeah, the Union State of the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus, is it somehow interfering with "import substitution", or is the thieving handiness of the "efficient" proprietors, who drive cars at the price of a spacecraft, in fact moist and unfinished, like the vaunted VODNIK?
    1. +7
      26 August 2017 15: 15
      Enough already, where are the Russian tractor plants because we bought such good Belarusian engines, we killed our own, but we tied ourselves to our "allies" ...
      The union state of Belarus and the Russian Federation, this is a fake, from which there is no sense in any case of the Russian Federation ... it is necessary to disperse the parasites ...
    2. +1
      27 August 2017 00: 29
      But where are we going to quilted jackets to Belarusian supermechanics collecting mazaktros at the price of an actress and the quality of the maz.
  9. +6
    26 August 2017 15: 18
    Quote: DOCTOR ZLO
    Enough already, where are the Russian tractor plants because we bought such good Belarusian engines, we killed our own, but we tied ourselves to our "allies" ...

    Who’s ruined the Russian tractor plants, Belarusians or what? Or are they not to blame for some playful pens, they hurried around breaking everything into scrap metal while some popped their ears, listening to enticing speeches about vouchers and jelly rivers with gingerbread banks ?
    1. +5
      26 August 2017 16: 44
      Quote: Pancir026
      Quote: DOCTOR ZLO
      Enough already, where are the Russian tractor plants because we bought such good Belarusian engines, we killed our own, but we tied ourselves to our "allies" ...

      Who’s ruined the Russian tractor plants, Belarusians or what? Or are they not to blame for some playful pens, they hurried around breaking everything into scrap metal while some popped their ears, listening to enticing speeches about vouchers and jelly rivers with gingerbread banks ?

      What are you telling me fairy tales, I went through a practice at ZIL, when MTZ engines were installed on Bychki, and then they even tried to install on LIAZiki so that the tractor plant doesn’t cover the poor RBs, as a result, AMO-ZIL are being demolished by bulldozers and there are no UTZ but there is MTZ ...
  10. +5
    26 August 2017 15: 19
    Quote: DOCTOR ZLO
    The union state of Belarus and the Russian Federation, this is a fake, from which there is no sense in any case of the Russian Federation ... it is necessary to disperse the parasites ...

    It’s worth it to really kick out people like you, so that you don’t get into trouble where it’s hard to breathe from you already. Lying on lies, speculation on myths. Distorting and outright chernukha. Why are you trolling?
    1. +4
      26 August 2017 16: 45
      Quote: Pancir026
      Quote: DOCTOR ZLO
      The union state of Belarus and the Russian Federation, this is a fake, from which there is no sense in any case of the Russian Federation ... it is necessary to disperse the parasites ...

      It’s worth it to expel people like you, so that you don’t stir up where it’s hard to breathe from your turbidity.

      Give at least one project implemented by the Union State of Belarus and the Russian Federation ...
      Lies on lies, conjectures on myths. Distorting and outright chernukha. Why are you trolling?

      Can you be more specific?
      1. +2
        26 August 2017 16: 49
        Quote: DOCTOR ZLO
        Give at least one project implemented by the Union State of Belarus and the Russian Federation ...

        There it is .. you are so humanitarian
        why don’t you be able to poke a finger at Claudia by typing a couple of words in order to find out what you are looking for?

        Well, get it, sign it and then don’t tell anyone. That you didn’t know anything.
        Program "Development of new spinal systems using prototyping technologies in the surgical treatment of children with severe congenital deformities and spinal injuries (Spinal systems)"
        Program "Development of the hydrometeorological safety system of the Union State for 2017-2021"
        The program "Development of integrated technologies for the creation of materials, devices and key elements of space assets and promising products of other industries", (Technology-SG 2016-2020)
        The program "Research and development of high-performance information and computing technologies to increase and efficiently use the resource potential of hydrocarbon raw materials of the Union State" (SKIF-NEDRA 2015 - 2018)
        The program "Development of space and ground-based means of providing consumers in Russia and Belarus with information on remote sensing of the Earth", (Monitoring-SG 2013 - 2017)
        Program “Development of critical standard technologies for the design and manufacture of nanostructured micro and optoelectronics products, devices and systems based on them and equipment for their production and testing”, (Luch 2016-2019)
        The program "Development and improvement of a unified system of technical cover for railways in the region" for 2016-2020.
        The program of concerted actions in the field of foreign policy of the states parties to the Treaty on the Creation of the Union State for 2016 - 2017
        Program “Development of a new generation of electronic components for control and safety systems for special and dual-purpose vehicles” (Auto Electronics 2016-2020)
        Program “Development of innovative genogeographic and genomic technologies for identifying a person and individual characteristics of a person based on the study of gene pools of the regions of the Union State” (“DNA identification”)
        I'm not talking about joint defense plans, about nuclear power plants, and so on ... to me ...
        Quote: DOCTOR ZLO
        Can you be more specific?

        You can read the answers to your opus above.
        1. +4
          26 August 2017 17: 08
          Pancir026 I'm not talking about joint defense plans, about nuclear power plants, and so on ... to me ...

          The agreement on the creation of a joint force grouping and the construction of a nuclear power plant are bilateral agreements, not projects within the framework of the SG ...
          All of the above projects could spontaneously be implemented in the framework of bilateral agreements between the Republic of Belarus and the Russian Federation and it is not necessary to create an SG for this ...
          Its signing was a continuation of development integration processeslaid down in the Treaty of Friendship, Neighborhood and Cooperation of February 21 1995, the Treaty on the Formation of the Community of Russia and Belarus of April 2 1996, and the Treaty of the Union of Belarus and Russia of April 2 1997
          On December 25 on December 1998 in Moscow, Boris Yeltsin and Alexander Lukashenko signed the Declaration on the Further Unification of Russia and Belarus, the Treaty on the Equal Rights of Citizens and the Agreement on the creation of equal conditions for business entities.
          RIA Novosti https://ria.ru/spravka/20101003/281848650.html

          There is no common currency, there is no Court, there is no Parliament, there is no RF Armed Forces, the foreign policy of the two states of the SG is contradictory (the Republic of Belarus does not share the foreign policy of the Russian Federation, including Crimea does not recognize the territory of the Russian Federation) ...
          The Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus (hereinafter referred to as the participating States) create the Union State, which marks a new stage in the process unity of the peoples of the two countries in a democratic state of law.
          Article 1 of the Treaty on the Creation of the Union State (Moscow, December 8, December 1999)
          Система ГАРАНТ: http://base.garant.ru/1155132/1/#ixzz4qs0k93U3

          Those. the main The goal of the creation of the SG was to create a single state with all its attributes ...
  11. +2
    26 August 2017 16: 09
    Quote: quilted jacket
    In general, the machine is “pretty” and most likely would be successful in foreign countries even to find out its price.

    -----------------------------
    In general, Khokhlov would not be sold. Tilki business, nothing private.
    1. +3
      26 August 2017 16: 28
      Quote: Altona
      In general, Khokhlov would not be sold.

      Yes, they do some kind of crafts and buy in Israel ..
      During a speech by President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko on March 24, 2017, a SandCat armored car manufactured by an Israeli company Plasan was shown to equip the SBU at a ceremony marking the 25th anniversary of the Security Service of Ukraine.
      1. +2
        26 August 2017 17: 11
        The SandCat armored car manufactured by the Israeli company Plasan, which was received by the SBU, was demonstrated.

        In the Donbass, and not so burned ... for the Military Museum of Armored Forces in Kubinka useful ...
      2. +2
        26 August 2017 18: 27
        In the amount of one piece, where did the money from them in Israel very expensive cars bought Ford hung armor
  12. +3
    26 August 2017 17: 10
    Quote: DOCTOR ZLO
    Quote: Pancir026
    Quote: DOCTOR ZLO
    Enough already, where are the Russian tractor plants because we bought such good Belarusian engines, we killed our own, but we tied ourselves to our "allies" ...

    Who’s ruined the Russian tractor plants, Belarusians or what? Or are they not to blame for some playful pens, they hurried around breaking everything into scrap metal while some popped their ears, listening to enticing speeches about vouchers and jelly rivers with gingerbread banks ?

    What are you telling me fairy tales, I went through a practice at ZIL, when MTZ engines were installed on Bychki, and then they even tried to install on LIAZiki so that the tractor plant doesn’t cover the poor RBs, as a result, AMO-ZIL are being demolished by bulldozers and there are no UTZ but there is MTZ ...

    They put it because their engines weren’t on him, that's all.
    1. +3
      26 August 2017 17: 57
      Franciscan They put it because their engines weren’t on him, that's all.

      And the first half of the year they did not put the Katarpiller on them ...
      The “bull-calf” died, ZIL is the same, MTZ is not yet there, but half of the west is there, which prevented us from installing Western engines, maybe the Plant would still be alive ... and then they would come up with GAZELs on ZIL, and not on GAZ .. .
      Let’s buy everything Belarusian, but we’ll poher everything ...
      1. +2
        26 August 2017 18: 07
        Quote: DOCTOR ZLO
        And the first half of the year they did not put the Katarpiller on them ...
        "Bull" died, ZIL is the same

        Quote: DOCTOR ZLO
        maybe the plant would still be alive

        Oh, I need these humanities .. who needs a COMPETITOR in the west, especially in the automotive industry? What can you recall how the AZLK was killed? And why did the Volga issue disappear, who bought the brand now? request beyond the nose and through the glasses they see nothing and do not want to know ...
        1. +3
          26 August 2017 18: 27
          Pancir026 Do you need to recall how AZLK was killed?

          I then studied at the College (Technical) and didn’t know anything about AZLK, and when I got AMO-ZIL I was already in the army ...
        2. +2
          26 August 2017 18: 28
          Pancir026 Well, who needs a COMPETITOR in the West, especially in the automotive industry?

          Here are just RB at the expense of us retained its MTZ, and we, as always, in ....
          1. +2
            26 August 2017 18: 44
            Quote: DOCTOR ZLO
            Here are just RB at the expense of us retained its MTZ

            The Republic of Belarus saved MAZ and MTZ because of Lukashenko’s ability to manage the country, and not to cut and roll back abroad. According to the recipes of the Gaidar and his successor from the HSE
      2. +1
        26 August 2017 18: 28
        Goby "died, ZIL is the same, MTZ is not yet
        And here MTZ do not tell the engines; a separate MMVZ plant produces it has no relation to MTZ
        1. +1
          26 August 2017 18: 33
          Quote: Lex.
          Goby "died, ZIL is the same, MTZ is not yet
          And here MTZ do not tell the engines; a separate MMVZ plant produces it has no relation to MTZ

          mmvz - Minsk motorcycle and bicycle factory?

          http://ru.motorcycle.wikia.com/wiki/%D0%9C%D0%9C%
          D0%92%D0%97_(%D0%9C%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8
          %D0%B9_%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%86%D0%B8%D0%BA
          %D0%BB%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%BE-%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0%BB
          %D0%BE%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%BD%D1%8B%
          D0%B9_%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B4)
          1. +4
            26 August 2017 19: 08
            I apologize mmz -Minsk Motor Plant it's a shame you do not know if you worked on zile
            1. +2
              26 August 2017 19: 12
              Quote: Lex.
              I apologize mmz -Minsk Motor Plant it's a shame you do not know if you worked on zile

              Hebrew commented after my answer ...

              Never trusted Israeli Jews ...
        2. +1
          26 August 2017 18: 40
          Quote: Lex.

          And here MTZ do not tell the engines; a separate MMVZ plant produces it has no relation to MTZ

          Maybe MMZ - Minsk Motor Plant?
          https://www.stroyteh.ru/wiki/%D0%9C%D0%B8%D0%BD%D
          1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9%20%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%BE
          %D1%80%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9%20%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%
          BE% D0% B4
          The techies are the same to me, I didn’t write the factory correctly, and they all “ate”
          1. 0
            26 August 2017 19: 08
            http://www.po-mmz.minsk.by/
  13. +5
    26 August 2017 17: 36
    Where does this name come from? Vitim-river in the north of the Irkutsk region. The river is cruel and wide. It flows into the Lena. Water goes in funnels. The bottom is rocky.
  14. +2
    26 August 2017 18: 15
    So a private enterprise does not ask for money from the budget, and a light tank produces the same stalker.
  15. +2
    26 August 2017 19: 00
    Pancir026 http://all4wd.ru/sravnenie-uaz-patriot-i-hummer-h
    2
    Study.

    It was necessary to begin with this. But this is cross-country ability, and the interior and the HUMVI are better. Although I confess pleasantly surprised by our auto industry ....
    as with any humanities who jumped on top, but did not really teach anything, hard ...

    What did you mean?
    1. +1
      26 August 2017 19: 16
      Quote: DOCTOR ZLO
      Pancir026 http://all4wd.ru/sravnenie-uaz-patriot-i-hummer-h
      2
      Study.

      It was necessary to begin with this. But this is cross-country ability, and the interior and the HUMVI are better. Although I confess pleasantly surprised by our auto industry ....
      as with any humanities who jumped on top, but did not really teach anything, hard ...

      What did you mean?

      What I had, I introduced tongue laughing
      1. +3
        26 August 2017 19: 19
        I understand that you’re here for the colonel’s shoulder straps, the rest is bullshit, do not cough ... until you entered ...
        1. +1
          26 August 2017 19: 29
          Quote: DOCTOR ZLO
          I understand that you’re here for the colonel’s shoulder straps, the rest is bullshit

          What is your bullshit, as you elegantly put it. To my opinion?
          Quote: DOCTOR ZLO
          do not cough ... until you enter ...

          But coughing something ... you already started ... why would there be such a misfortune ... at what more than the first time?
          1. +2
            26 August 2017 19: 39
            Pancir026 What is your bullshit, as you elegantly put it. To my opinion?

            And analyze your writings for this article:
            Why the Russian Federation should buy armored cars from the Republic of Belarus, they did not answer and why are they better than the same Tigers (except that they swim)
            That the army versions with additional HAMVI equipment did not prove worse than UAZ, showed two civilian versions of the UAZ-Patriot and HAMVI-2
            The significance of the Union State for the Russian Federation has not been proved and that Belarus and the Russian Federation could not do without it either ...
            It’s only trembling and insults, as a techie resigned himself to the idea of ​​a humanist that the engines for the Belarus tractor are done at MTZ
            What prevented the Russian Federation from maintaining ZIL, such as KAMAZ did not write ....
            I won’t communicate with you anymore, because It’s impossible to learn anything new from you, but it’s because of it here ...
  16. dFG
    0
    26 August 2017 19: 29
    Quote: Lex.
    So a private enterprise does not ask for money from the budget, and a light tank produces the same stalker.

    for the sake of interest tell me how many of these long-dead stalkers were released ?? and then plans as always were export to the rich countries of the Persian Gulf no less
    1. 0
      26 August 2017 19: 37
      And I didn’t mean the quantity you created and what you are so sure about, maybe you bought it and who
  17. +2
    26 August 2017 20: 13
    Honestly the collective farm!
    I would really really like the cooperation of systems for the production of armored corps, the production of guidance systems, target designation, guidance on the aerodynamic trail
    Although I think the corporation in the production of armored corps is worth a lot
    1. 0
      26 August 2017 23: 42
      Quote: APASUS
      I would really really like the cooperation of systems for the production of armored corps, the production of guidance systems, target designation, guidance on the aerodynamic trail

      And in Russian, how is this to be understood?
      1. +1
        27 August 2017 11: 05
        Quote: prosto_rgb
        And in Russian, how is this to be understood?

        You make corps, and we stuff them with weapons
        1. 0
          27 August 2017 16: 06
          Quote: APASUS
          Quote: prosto_rgb
          And in Russian, how is this to be understood?

          You make corps, and we stuff them with weapons

          then there is no logic at all
          there is no metal in Belarus, everything is imported
          but the production of sights, radio stations, and on the contrary it has
          1. +1
            27 August 2017 16: 55
            Quote: prosto_rgb
            then there is no logic at all
            there is no metal in Belarus, everything is imported
            but the production of sights, radio stations, and on the contrary it has

            It is not critical who will produce the sights, and who will cook the case.
  18. +1
    27 August 2017 00: 25
    Quote: DOCTOR ZLO
    Franciscan They put it because their engines weren’t on him, that's all.

    And the first half of the year they did not put the Katarpiller on them ...
    The “bull-calf” died, ZIL is the same, MTZ is not yet there, but half of the west is there, which prevented us from installing Western engines, maybe the Plant would still be alive ... and then they would come up with GAZELs on ZIL, and not on GAZ .. .
    Let’s buy everything Belarusian, but we’ll poher everything ...

    You already have yours. Caterpillars were very expensive engines, plus they obviously needed to be bought and the fuel system was also foreign, which made these cars uncompetitive in price.
  19. +1
    27 August 2017 11: 24
    Quote: Astoria
    But where are we going to quilted jackets to Belarusian supermechanics collecting mazaktros at the price of an actress and the quality of the maz.

    In Minsk they are cheaper.
    1. 0
      27 August 2017 13: 52
      Maybe, but it doesn’t change anything. This is the price of an authorized dealer in Russia (maz-comauto).
  20. 0
    27 August 2017 21: 54
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