Armenian media: Armenia is preparing for a big repatriation from Russia

Armenian edition Lragir comes out with a rather unexpected material. It states that representatives of the Armenian diaspora allegedly become harder to live in Russia due to the fact that many Western sanctions have been imposed on the Russian Federation. The author of the material is a columnist Naira Airumyan, who claims that the Armenians working in the Russian Federation “have stopped paying their salaries on time” and “they are thinking about going home.”

At the same time, the material stated that the Armenian community in Russia is “the most unprotected”. On what basis such a conclusion is made with respect to several millions of Armenians living in the Russian Federation is not clear.

From Naira Airumyan’s material:

If the sanctions against Russia continue, if the economic situation in the country worsens even more, then you have to discuss a whole tangle of problems of migrant workers who will be forced to return to Armenia.

Then the Armenian media columnist wonders if Armenia is ready “for a large flow of repatriates?” The answer does not seem to be ...

From the material:

Well-off Russian Armenians have long been preparing themselves a haven in Armenia. Ruben Vardanyan sold Troika Dialog and transferred a significant part of his business to Armenia several years ago. Samvel Karapetyan with the Tashir group is also trying to settle in Armenia more tightly - now he has taken over almost the entire electric power industry of Armenia. Daniil Khachaturov, who owns Rossgosstrakh, is trying to sell the company to Otkritie Bank. Whether he will move to Armenia is difficult to say.

At the same time, the author of the material asserts that it is Armenia that is considered to be a “safe haven” for representatives of Russian business with Armenian roots.

Comments

[Pirogov]

And in Armenia they will receive it on time but $ 50 per brother ........

[Thrall]

Custom article. Although Naira Hayrumyan is a noble Russophobia, what are only the names of her articles, such as: "I hate Russia."

[Logall]

I wonder if she was in Armavir? It is on the border of Krasnodar and Stavropol Territories. It is also called `` Second Yerevan ''!
They can’t drive them out with sticks ...

[Solomon Kane]

Hello Sasha! As they say - a friend in need is known. Based on the article by Ayrumyan, Russia is just a feeding trough for "friends" ......

[bald]

I’ve been working with them for 8 years - I put it exactly.

[Vladimir16]

All Armenians in Russia and Armenia live on the territory of the Russian Empire for centuries. Anyone who writes such an article is just a bastard who wants blood. So you need to bleed the nose with a fist.
All around shouting Long live the USSR! and right there are crap like this article. And the Armenians are a burden to you right away.
Be consistent !!! Either Russia, within the borders of the Empire or the USSR, with all the peoples inhabiting it, or forget the nagging of the destroyed union. No need to be like the Nazis.
This is not about migrants from abroad. It's about those with whom we live together for centuries.

[Solomon Kane]

Note that the article was not written by "journalist IVANOV" about the Russian call for chauvinism .... The Armenian edition of Lragir expressed its point of view, but there is no smoke without fire, so some thoughts are floating in this direction, albeit trolling, but they are. ....

[K-612-O]

This is a lousy edition, complementary to the embassy exceptional. So there is a clear order, the opposition is damn.
I especially liked about Rosgosstrakh, he probably has problems above the roof.

[DarkMatter]

It turns out that they sent a liberal-democratic article from the US Embassy to one of the "independent" journalists, he published it and started ...
The worst thing is that it’s so completely unsophisticated articles were enough for 70% of users to start harassing Armenians right away! No friends anymore, no brothers, bring down, I knew that they are so ...
It is sad and worrying that one movement with a finger was enough to set up such a number of seemingly smart people to the way the enemy needed.

[Michael newage]

The key words in your post are "seemingly smart people" . Urikly brainless, this is exactly 70 percent.

[HDZ]

They correctly said that there is no smoke without fire.
Never, in 35 years, have I met an honest Armenian. Only the false and greedy Armenians were.
Hating the bad is not shameful. It’s shameful for an entire nation to survive as a “guest” by deception and theft.

[Ararat]

Or maybe the other way around? I don’t know what kind of business you are doing, but apparently you found yourself worthy partners.

[SergeBS]

Quote: HDZ

Never, in 35 years, have I met an honest Armenian. Only the false and greedy Armenians were.

"Birds of a feather flock together". This time.
Here I have, a pure Rusak, at least in the 4th generation (digging laziness further, and this comment so that there is no screech - "you will support yours"), I had decent Armenians, such as Shurka Kazaryan, a classmate, and EVEN (oh, horror for "fermented patriots" ) decent Jews, such as my nachlab long ago - Joseph Yakovlevich Braverman. These are two.
As there Grebenshchikov:
"If you drink with thieves, beware of your wallet."
Well, just enough not to drink with thieves (regardless of nationality).
Who drinks with thieves is a separate issue.

[vladimirvn]

One Armenian told in Sochi. In the 41st when the war started, the Armenians changed their names to Georgian, in the hope that Stalin would not send Georgians to the war.

[vladimirvn]

Do not fuss. The Armenians fought, as did the rest. And I saw the monuments in the Armenian villages. And the fact that this was the place to be, is a fact. I have no reason to lie.

[vladimirvn]

I consider it necessary to express my respect and respect to all veterans of the Second World War, living, dead and dead, regardless of nationality.

[SergeBS]

Quote: vladimirvn

And the fact that this was the place to be, is a fact. I have no reason to lie.

The Russians had "crossbows", and the Russians had hidden in the underground, the Russians had policemen. BUT! Not typical.
And according to your logic, it turns out that "the Russians are also cowards and traitors."
Although if you raise the statistics, it will become clear - it was the Russians in the Second World War who died in the Red Army in% (and even in absolute numbers - all the more so) most of all. But the least (in%) is Chechen / Ingush. And by the way, there are more Armenians than Georgians.
Conclusions?
Well, "a dispute about anything." IMHO. In ANY people there are "hatskrayniki". The difference is in %% ratio.
Incidentally, the Jewish soldiers who died in the Red Army are in 4th place (in %%).

[SergeBS]

Quote: Alikos

It’s immediately obvious that you are from a noisy, scandalous Armean tribe

One activist with a well-known surname starting with the letter G, with a narrowly known surname starting with the letter S. ALSO blamed the nationality for the problems. He shot himself in May 1945. I clearly hinted?
2nd hint: I’m a Russian at least in the 4th generation, but I’ll be forced to beat someone with a bluff of Russian, as Barkashov’s ideological heirs.
“On the Fingers”: get a hold of yourself, national leader. So far, as Barkashovites, you have not gotten to the terrible "rudimentaryism" of the spill of "leavened patriots."

[garnik]

And is it in the USSR? Do not tell. And this “Armenians" did not tell you that the Armenians are the most ancient people on earth? Why not believe it? Although how can I say, if you believe Jewish scholars, then everything is possible. In fact, people with education say "Armenian."

[Gotsman]

You do not believe the stories, but check for yourself. This can be done by driving through villages, for example, along the Khosta River into the mountains. There are monuments in these villages, on which are the names of local residents who died during the defense. And in these lists are entirely Armenian surnames. Moreover, whole families: fathers and sons ... So do not believe the stories. I lived in Sochi, and somehow witnessed a conversation between two elderly taxi drivers-Armenians, who recalled their service in the Soviet Army. They talked about the difficulties of service with enthusiasm, said that their children also repaid a debt to their homeland, and their grandchildren would go to serve, because it was a holy duty. They lived with us for centuries and consider Russia their only homeland. They fought with us in the same trenches and continue to do so ....

[garnik]

Thank you very much for your positive comment. Once again, the attitude towards the Russian state can be determined from history textbooks from the countries of the former USSR.

[Ezhaak]

But in our separate battalion of communications there was not a single Armenian. Only Russians, Ukrainians, Balts. All with a decade, no less. There is no talk about Azerbaijanis and Georgians. Absent and Central Asians, Absolutely.

[SergeBS]

So what? In the same way, you can find a battalion in which there was not a single Azerbaijani, or Uzbek, or Kazakh, or anyone else .... (well, Ukrainians were almost everywhere, for example). And sho?
For the Mari, Yakuts, etc., absent from the battalion, also remember? Like "since they are not there - they are subhuman"?

[Seal]

Debt is debt. But they did not get weak. Three quarters of land on the Black Sea coast of the Caucasus from Anapa to the border with Abkhazia to whom do they belong?

[Seal]

Do you think that you checked? Let's get it right. The Khostka River is not a god news what a long river is. Only 4,5 kilometers. Maybe they meant the river Big or East Hosta? That is more authentic - 17 kilometers. Considering the maximum length of the river along Big Host is 21,5 kilometers. It is adrift. And in a straight line from the coast - 13-15 kilometers. Sorry, but the Germans did not reach this place. The point of greatest advancement of the Germans in the region of Sochi, where they were stopped, is Pseashkho Pass (Pseashkha). Who specifically stopped is also known. A monument to the heroes was erected there several years ago.

For several years, Kubanenergo search engines searched for data on the defenders of this mountain line. All nine names were found, and some even had addresses. So, the commander - lieutenant was waiting for the Nazis to approach near the Kholodny camp at the Pseashkho pass Nikolay Limorenko from Poltava region, his deputy, lieutenant Ivan Zherlyukov from Stavropol, conductor of the Caucasian reserve Ivan Kunitsyn from Sochi, lieutenant Roman Dudnikov from near Rostov-on-Don, political instructor Vasily Melnikov from Moscow, sergeants Ivan Drobyshev from Maykop Vasily Ronzhin from Pyatigorsk, Akaki Samkharadze и Alexander Solomonov from Krasnodar. It was the second year of the war, and our fighters have already learned to fight. On the approach to the Pseashkho pass, trees were cut down in advance; the mortar pickers chose a very good position for shelling. Soon, fascist submachine gunners approached the Kholodny camp, looked around and moved on to the Pseashkho pass. And then they fell under heavy mortar fire.
The fight was very long. The mountain huntsmen of the Edelweiss division climbed the assault several times and rolled back each time. They tried to get around our fighters from the side of a neighboring height and could not. They called aviation! Four aircraft over and over again went into the peak, dropped bombs, our fighters were saved only by a cliff hanging over them. Again the Nazis went on the assault, and ours fought back. This went on for almost three days, and during this time about 800 fascist soldiers and officers were destroyed. Our fighters all survived, although they were wounded several times. Camp "Cold" was the last point of the Nazi attack in the direction of the Black Sea. The huntsmen of the Edelweiss division were no longer able to take the top point of the Pseashkho pass, all the more so they did not reach the village of Krasnaya Polyana, they did not see Sochi.

Personally, I do not see more than one Armenian surname. Well, the fact that local Armenians wrote on the obelisks is on their conscience. Maybe they fell under the bombing, maybe just under a mudflow or rockfall.

A bit more.

The feat of the machine gunners Vasily Shkutkov, Shamil Vasikov and Vladimir Semyakov, committed in these places, became history. When the cartridges ran out, they blew themselves up with the last grenade along with the fascists surrounding them.

Two Russians and one either North Caucasian or Tatar. But obviously not an Armenian.

[Setrac]

Quote: vladimirvn

in the hope that Stalin would not send Georgians to war.

Special own son? In your version, was he not a Georgian?

[Ararat]

300,000 were sent to the front, given 106 heroes, 27 full cavaliers, and 5 became marshals of the USSR. What is the purpose of your stuffing?

[Berber]

All nationalism is from human weakness. It’s easier to look for flaws in something else than to improve. But when you shit on another, you don’t get better.

[Oslyabya]

Nationalism (fr. nationalisme) - the ideology and direction of politics, the fundamental principle of which is the thesis of the value of a nation as the highest form of social unity and its primacy in the state-building process. It is characterized by a variety of currents, some of them contradict each other [1]. As a political movement, nationalism seeks to uphold the interests of the national community in relations with state power.

At its core, nationalism preaches fidelity and devotion to its nation, political independence and work for the benefit of its own people, cultural and spiritual growth, the unification of national identity for the practical protection of the living conditions of the nation, its territory of residence, economic resources and spiritual values ​​[2]. It relies on a national feeling that is akin to patriotism. http://dic.academic.ru/dic.nsf/ruwiki/8315

NAZISM (from the name of the fascist National Socialist Party of Germany (Nazi) - one of the names of German fascism. http://dic.academic.ru/dic.nsf/enc3p/209366

[Seal]

Well, thank you for reducing the number sent to the front to 300 thousand. And then they write on all Armenian sites that they say 600 thousand were sent. Although 300 thousand - the figure is pretty high and not confirmed by anything.
About the marshals.
Well, first of all, boasting about the number of marshals - anyway, now the Jews are boasting about the number of oligarchs.
And secondly .. and when did they actually become marshals ??
All Armenian marshals are post-war Khrushchev political marshals. There are no Stalinist marshals among Armenians.
I.V. Stalin absolutely correctly believed that the rank of marshal can be appropriated only during the war for a specific military growth. What kind of previously unknown military achievements and merits were suddenly discovered in 1955 by Baghramyan, Biryuzov, Grechko, Eremenko, Moskalenko, Chuykov, that they were all assigned the rank of marshals in 1955? What, some general decisions surfaced, which no one knew before 1955? Not just the military, the political leadership, represented by Khrushchov, was buying. To contrast them with the Stalinist wartime marshals and especially Zhukov.
But in fact Baghramyan had to be shot twice. The first time in September 1941, when he, the chief of the operational department of the Front Staff, abandoned his front headquarters and "miraculously got out of the front line." The second time Stalin himself wanted to shoot him for the Kharkov operation. On Baghramyan, the blood of more than a million soldiers of the Red Army.
And for what previously unknown merits, by Decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR of May 7, 1965 “for the skillful leadership of the troops, courage, courage and heroism shown in the struggle against the Nazi invaders, and to commemorate the 20th anniversary of the Victory of the Soviet people in World War II war ”Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Isakov Ivan Stepanovich was awarded the title Hero of the Soviet Union. Well, to commemorate - that’s understandable. Can you give at least one example of either the "skillful leadership of the troops" or the "courage, courage and heroism" shown by Isakov in the struggle against the Nazi invaders?
PS The only Stalin aviation marshal Khudyakov Sergey, whom the Armenians brazenly call their own, during his lifetime completely refused to recognize himself as an Armenian. Even in party profiles where it is absolutely impossible to lie, Khudyakov, in the column nationality, always wrote "Russian" with his own hand.

[garnik]

Listen to the cigarettes. Go to Wikipedia and read about everyone separately.
Namely, only 600 thousand Armenians were drafted into the Red Army. 300 thousand only from Armenia itself, where 1350000 thousand people lived, this is one in five. The rest of the Armenians, about 300 thousand people, were called up outside of Armenia.

Well, of your bins, about 40 people became heroes, the rest are Talysh, Lezghins, Avars, etc. Only .25 heroes of Azerbaijanis are ethnic Armenians. Of the three awarded twice, two are Armenians and one is Talysh.
I think this is enough. I don’t argue with you, you already know. This is for those who are interested.

[Orionvit]

Quote: Vladimir16

And the Armenians are a burden to you right away

And when were they in joy? Nobody works, everyone does something. In a word, a parasite on the body of Russia. If they are so smart, then why didn’t they build paradise in Armenia?

[Setrac]

Quote: Orionvit

And when were they in joy?

Humanity is not your hobby?

Quote: Orionvit

Nobody works, everyone does something.

They work no less than other Russians.

Quote: Orionvit

If they are so smart, then why didn’t they build paradise in Armenia?

Maybe because they have never been to Armenia?

[osoboye_mneniye]

Quote: Orionvit

Quote: Vladimir16

And the Armenians are a burden to you right away

And when were they in joy? Nobody works, everyone does something. In a word, a parasite on the body of Russia. If they are so smart, then why didn’t they build paradise in Armenia?

Himself saw how one tovarisch molded advertisements on the walls of houses in massive quantities. Moreover, not private, but commercial. Made him take off. He assured me that he was not a Gaster, cursed at Russian realities and laws that did not allow gluing wall-to-wall tapes with announcements, and wondered what the hell out of me needed him. I wondered what the hell he had come to banish the city in a foreign country, and if everything is so shitty with us, then why did I leave my homeland without having built it "as it should" on it, and hired myself to work for pennies in a foreign land.
This is the face of visitors who need to survive. And no matter what nationality this person is. People do not ask questions. They just need to survive at all costs.
The task of the state is to take care of citizens. If the former republics of the USSR do not care about their citizens, then Russia cares about all the citizens of the post-Soviet space. And this is right, since in this way the foundation is laid for unification in the future, without which no one of their former USSR can survive. But the enemies do not like it. So they write nasty things ..

[Evgeniy667b]

Orionvit Well, what do you think so right ?. What among the Russian, especially young ages, there are few parasites that do not work anywhere and do not want anything at all? And here is the nationality? There is, for example, Armenian crime in Russia, there is Russian, and others, and Tajiks have become apparent. When we are all together, we are a force, we will easily be defeated, our sworn partners will, for example, with our own hands. Us that Ukraine is not enough?

[Seal]

And I, for example, have a negative attitude towards these two peoples than towards the same Chechens, Azerbaijanis and other Muslim or Buddhist peoples of Russia and the former USSR.
There are three types of criminals in Russia. The first ones are the descendants of those nations, including ours, who created our state and recreated it in 1613. This is our homegrown so to speak. And we, alas, live with him.
The second is the descendants of those nations whose ancestral lands were conquered by our ancestors at the tip of our Russian bayonet. It’s even worse. Criminals can always say that "but we did not ask you to conquer our lands." Almost all Muslim and former USSR peoples have the right to say this. Well, except for the Tatars and Bashkirs because their ancestors participated in the Militias in 1611-1612. and thereby participated in the reconstruction of the Russian State.
Third, Georgians and even more Armenians. The only two peoples not on the list of indigenous peoples of Russia and not on the list of conquered peoples of Russia. They themselves came running to us to be saved. And we let them in to ourselves. Well, taken under our high arm. And what did we get in return?
Can we Georgians and Armenians also bow to our feet and thank you for the fact that their crime is 0,001% less (and that is not a fact, maybe more) than the crime of Azerbaijanis and Dagestanis? And thanks to the Armenians for their active assistance to the Germans during the period from August to November 1914 in drawing Turkey into World War I on the side of Germany, right? And this is nothing that Ludendorff after the war said in the 1920s that: “If we had not been able to drag Turkey on our side, Germany would not have survived until 1916.”

[Berber]

Armenians live in Rostov almost from the very beginning. The same as the Russians - there are good and there are bad.

[Alikos]

Quote: Orionvit

Quote: Vladimir16

And the Armenians are a burden to you right away

And when were they in joy? Nobody works, everyone does something. In a word, a parasite on the body of Russia. If they are so smart, then why didn’t they build paradise in Armenia?

They can only steal!
They stole their Armenians, stole, destroyed and 90% fled to Russia.
One can only guess why ... There was such a plant in AZLK, they were appointed director Asatryan, he overthrew Russian deputies, engineers, technologists, designers, accountants, etc.
He dragged his Yerevan mediocrity and amicably destroyed the enterprise, and squandered, sold, sold up-to-date equipment, including foreign equipment, bought for millions of dollars!
This is a real enemy sabotage, destroy a modern factory!
For this you need to shoot like enemies of the people.
Instead, in Russia, the president of all Russian banks put
Garegin Tasunyan.
Therefore, in Russia all Armenians are with bags of money, and the native Russians are in poverty

[DOCTOR ZLO]

Vladimir16 All around shouting Long live the USSR! and right there are crap like this article. And the Armenians are a burden to you right away.

Do not confuse with yourself, no one regrets the collapse of the USSR, nor for that he ruined BNE so that he would put parasites on his neck again, my RSFSR was funded on a residual basis, and in Armenia in the 40 some gifted retired ...

Be consistent !!! Either Russia within the borders of the Empire or the USSR with all the peoples inhabiting it, or forget the nagging of the destroyed union.

The Russian Federation within its borders, in the future it is possible to increase its territory, but not through the inclusion of the former republics of the Union, but due to part of these territories (the example of Crimea), we will never be within the borders of the USSR / RI ....

No need to be like the Nazis.

Why did I write incomprehensibly?

This is not about migrants from abroad. It's about those with whom we live together for centuries.

Yes, we lived with many people - Poland and the Baltic states, when they were now part of the Republic of Ingushetia / USSR and are now NATO ...
Your beloved Armenia is a member of the Collective Security Treaty Organization, but it does not hinder her from participating in NATO exercises in Georgia, the question is against whom?

Anyone who writes such an article is just a bastard who wants blood.

I agree the article is custom-made and anti-Soviet ....

[garnik]

Like the Russian-Turkish exercises on the Black Sea.

[DOCTOR ZLO]

Quote: garnik

Like the Russian-Turkish exercises on the Black Sea.

Do not confuse bilateral exercises and exercises conducted under the auspices of NATO ...

[garnik]

The Armenians are represented by a medical company, to put a daw, for the US supply to the AR.CAH complex of an early detection complex to prevent a surprise attack by the enemy.

[DOCTOR ZLO]

Quote: garnik

The Armenians are represented by a medical company, to put a daw, for the US supply to the AR.CAH complex of an early detection complex to prevent a surprise attack by the enemy.

Do not tell tales; it is not the first time that Armenians participate in such exercises in Afghanistan and Iraq sent their troops contingents ...

[osoboye_mneniye]

Quote: DOCTOR ZLO

Vladimir16 All around shouting Long live the USSR! and right there are crap like this article. And the Armenians are a burden to you right away.

Do not confuse with yourself, no one regrets the collapse of the USSR, nor for that he ruined BNE so that he would put parasites on his neck again, my RSFSR was funded on a residual basis, and in Armenia in the 40 some gifted retired ...

Be consistent !!! Either Russia within the borders of the Empire or the USSR with all the peoples inhabiting it, or forget the nagging of the destroyed union.

The Russian Federation within its borders, in the future it is possible to increase its territory, but not through the inclusion of the former republics of the Union, but due to part of these territories (the example of Crimea), we will never be within the borders of the USSR / RI ....

No need to be like the Nazis.

Why did I write incomprehensibly?

This is not about migrants from abroad. It's about those with whom we live together for centuries.

Yes, we lived with many people - Poland and the Baltic states, when they were now part of the Republic of Ingushetia / USSR and are now NATO ...
Your beloved Armenia is a member of the Collective Security Treaty Organization, but it does not hinder her from participating in NATO exercises in Georgia, the question is against whom?

Anyone who writes such an article is just a bastard who wants blood.

I agree the article is custom-made and anti-Soviet ....

It's amazing how you know all this ??!
About parasites on the neck ... Tell us better about how much bread, fish and clothes (the very first thing that came to mind) went up after the granary of the USSR and the Baltic fisheries, along with the Uzbek cotton growing, were separated from Russia. Not to mention cosmodromes (Vostochny is much less geographically advantageous both in weather / climate), the energy system, and other conquests, which greatly reduced the cost of Russia for a number of serious tasks.
Do you think these losses should be rejoiced?
You look primitively at the coexistence of peoples and states.
Now we are feeding the Yakuts. They are really beating there. But diamond mining pays for the content of the region. Pomorie, for example, is the gateway to the Arctic (both from us to there and from there to us - remember what was going on there during World War II). Yes, and they get a lot of things there. Moreover, the northern regions, in principle, are not much of what they produce. Also largely subsidized.
Let's send them home too ?!

[DOCTOR ZLO]

osoboye_mneniye You look primitively at the coexistence of peoples and states.

I would certainly argue with you about the economic feasibility of keeping Uzbekistan with 50 million people who have nothing but cotton and Yakutia who has everything, but you are on my list of trolls (13.08.2017, in 20.05, then there were Tom)

[osoboye_mneniye]

Quote: DOCTOR ZLO

osoboye_mneniye You look primitively at the coexistence of peoples and states.

I would certainly argue with you about the economic feasibility of keeping Uzbekistan with 50 million people who have nothing but cotton and Yakutia who has everything, but you are on my list of trolls (13.08.2017, in 20.05, then there were Tom)

And you count ... and be very surprised. In addition to cotton, Uzbekistan gave 100% kenaf in the country, oilseeds and tobacco were cultivated. About 18% of the crops are occupied by crops (rice, corn, dzhugara - on irrigated lands, wheat, barley and others - on rainfed lands; gross grain harvest - 1248 thousand tons in 1986). Fruit-growing, viticulture, and vegetable growing were of all-Union importance. The main livestock industry is sheep farming. The main area of ​​karakul breeding is the Kyzylkum desert. Livestock (in 1987, in million heads): cattle - 4,1, sheep and goats - 8,8. One of the oldest branches of agriculture is sericulture (Uzbekistan produced about 60% of cocoons in the USSR).
Tell us about how Yakutia has everything. As far as I know, there is nothing but gold and diamonds and permafrost in Yakutia.
Of course, it’s easier not to answer the questions posed, but to start a list with trolls and instead of answers, swing them in the hope that they will leave you behind.
Remember that each of your careless statements that you cannot protect, turns against you))

[Setrac]

Quote: osoboye_mneniye

They are really beating there.

For example like this
Beating the bucks?

[osoboye_mneniye]

in a sense, yes ... it is possible that they aim precisely at them))

[SergeBS]

Quote: osoboye_mneniye

Tell us better about how much bread, fish and clothes (the very first thing that came to mind) went up after the granary of the USSR and the Baltic fisheries, along with the Uzbek cotton growing, were separated from Russia.

1. "After that - does not mean therefore."
2. Already something, but the "prosperity" of the Limitrophs - everyone knows. Their "achievements" in terms of fish, etc. - also. Well, yes, their salaries are “almost like in the EU,” but the prices are “just like in the EU.”
Well, a completely "killer" argument: why are the same limitrophs and Uzbeks fleeing from their own country en masse? Uzbeks flee to the Russian Federation, since English / German is a problem. And limitrophs - anywhere.
About the "granary" - completely touched. Where is this? In 404?
And why is grain export from the Russian Federation awesome, unlike 404? Which promised to China, but could not fulfill ... For example.

Quote: osoboye_mneniye

Now we are feeding the Yakuts. They are really beating there.

Yeah. Go to Yakutia to "beat the buck." Weak?

[osoboye_mneniye]

Quote: SergeBS

Quote: osoboye_mneniye

Tell us better about how much bread, fish and clothes (the very first thing that came to mind) went up after the granary of the USSR and the Baltic fisheries, along with the Uzbek cotton growing, were separated from Russia.

1. "After that - does not mean therefore."
2. Already something, but the "prosperity" of the Limitrophs - everyone knows. Their "achievements" in terms of fish, etc. - also. Well, yes, their salaries are “almost like in the EU,” but the prices are “just like in the EU.”
Well, a completely "killer" argument: why are the same limitrophs and Uzbeks fleeing from their own country en masse? Uzbeks flee to the Russian Federation, since English / German is a problem. And limitrophs - anywhere.
About the "granary" - completely touched. Where is this? In 404?
And why is grain export from the Russian Federation awesome, unlike 404? Which promised to China, but could not fulfill ... For example.

Quote: osoboye_mneniye

Now we are feeding the Yakuts. They are really beating there.

Yeah. Go to Yakutia to "beat the buck." Weak?

1. It is in this case, "after this" = "due to" (do not believe it, but in Russian it is written together!). Try to prove the opposite.
2. I’ll explain to you about the successes of the republics within the USSR, and you about the successes after (read “due to”) the reversal of independence. Did you understand well what I explained in the previous statement?

About Yakutia and bucks ... are you talking to yourself? Do you want to beat the bacilli, and go for yourself))

[SergeBS]

Quote: osoboye_mneniye

1. It is in this case, "after this" = "due to" (do not believe it, but in Russian it is written together!). Try to prove the opposite.
2. I’ll explain to you about the successes of the republics within the USSR, and you about the successes after (read “due to”) the reversal of independence. Did you understand well what I explained in the previous statement?

1. Did I separately write “due to”?
Well, "for some reason" suddenly "the breadwinners of a drunk Ivan" began to live so "well" that they go to guest workers to the same "drunk lazy Ivan". They cannot feed at home.
2. Immeasurable successes that limitrophs, that the "heroes of labor" from Asia to the USSR-bullshit. In these ponte "nursing RSFSR" republics, money was swollen that THEY did not earn, but the RSFSR and the BSSR earned.
Which shows their current state. As the stream of "nishtyakov" unearned dried up, so they immediately became paupers.

[osoboye_mneniye]

Quote: SergeBS

1. Did I separately write “due to”?
Well, "for some reason" suddenly "the breadwinners of a drunk Ivan" began to live so "well" that they go to guest workers to the same "drunk lazy Ivan". They cannot feed at home.
2. Immeasurable successes that limitrophs, that the "heroes of labor" from Asia to the USSR-bullshit. In these ponte "nursing RSFSR" republics, money was swollen that THEY did not earn, but the RSFSR and the BSSR earned.
Which shows their current state. As the stream of "nishtyakov" unearned dried up, so they immediately became paupers.

1. You are confused again then and now. Why breadwinners began to live poorly is not the issue we are discussing. It is about what the republics of Russia gave under the Union, and not that they are now in ruins.
2. Do you know exactly what you are responding to? It’s not about the fact that the republics fed Russia, but about the fact that it was beneficial for Russia to receive certain products from the republics. Yes, Russia invested in the development of the republics. But it was still beneficial for Russia.
And the current state of the republics only says that they cannot do anything without Russia. But this question has nothing to do with the fact that the RSFSR, by investing, received benefits (profit) from these republics.
Is it really that hard to understand? It is the same as any enterprise. Naked land and a bunch of workers is zero without a stick, until funds are invested in the construction of workshops, the purchase of equipment, the development of technologies and the organization of the workers' workflow. But when the costs pay off, then the profit goes.
Are you trying to say that construction in the republics has not paid off, or what? If you have such an opinion, then here you need to back up with numbers. While I really do not understand you ...
Regarding the exhausted stream of nishtyaks, I think that under the Union nishtyaki organized and financed Russia, since giving the local buy-in the question of the distribution of goods is a hopeless business. But the costs paid off, as I said. But when the independence demanded from the bais to organize nishtyaks for the population, something happened that Russia prevented in every possible way under the Union - nishtyaks flowed into the bays pocket.

[SergeBS]

Quote: osoboye_mneniye

Are you trying to say that construction in the republics has not paid off, or what? If you have such an opinion, then here you need to back up with numbers. While I really do not understand you ...

Not a problem. Just look at the GDP plate, who created how much, and who ate how much.
The RSFSR and the BSSR ate less than they produced.
Therefore, the "nationalities" are spiteful: "under the USSR, there was a freebie, but now it's over!". With the EU, these “cool workers" are needed mostly by the dead, guess it yourself.

[osoboye_mneniye]

Quote: SergeBS

Not a problem. Just look at the GDP plate, who created how much, and who ate how much.

Your plate is the average temperature in the hospital. Manipulation in its purest form. I explain why. There is Yakutia, where diamonds are mined, but wheat cannot be grown. And there is Ukraine, which was the breadbasket of the country, but there are no diamonds there. Sell ​​all the diamonds mined by Yakutia and sell all the wheat harvested in Ukraine. It is likely that you will receive amounts of a similar order.
And the population (consumption) in Ukraine is many times larger than in Yakutia.
In your opinion, it turns out that lazy people lived in Ukraine, and workaholics in Yakutia ??
Is it really so hard to understand that each (almost every) republic had a clear advantage in a particular industry. Alone, they are nobody. Yakutia will not be able to sell diamonds without having a well-developed geological industry, exploration, mining, processing technologies, etc., which Ukraine or Russia possesses. Ukraine will not be able to develop agricultural production as efficiently as possible without proceeds from the sale of diamonds. Russia without diamonds and cheap bread pays twice.
Together, strength, being in a single state, is a plus.
Is it really that hard to figure it out?

[Seal]

Tell us better about how much bread, fish and clothes (the very first thing that came to mind) went up after the granary of the USSR and the Baltic fisheries, along with the Uzbek cotton growing, were separated from Russia. Not to mention cosmodromes (Vostochny is much less geographically advantageous both in weather / climate), the energy system, and other conquests, which greatly reduced the cost of Russia for a number of serious tasks.

When moving to market relations, everything has risen in price. And everywhere. The same fish in the Baltic - and it has risen in price.
But the Uzbek cotton did not rise in price for comparable prices. Because its quality is low and no one but us buys it.
Granaries of the USSR - Krasnodar Territory and Rostov Region. Are they separated?

[osoboye_mneniye]

Quote: Seal

Tell us better about how much bread, fish and clothes (the very first thing that came to mind) went up after the granary of the USSR and the Baltic fisheries, along with the Uzbek cotton growing, were separated from Russia. Not to mention cosmodromes (Vostochny is much less geographically advantageous both in weather / climate), the energy system, and other conquests, which greatly reduced the cost of Russia for a number of serious tasks.

When moving to market relations, everything has risen in price. And everywhere. The same fish in the Baltic - and it has risen in price.
But the Uzbek cotton did not rise in price for comparable prices. Because its quality is low and no one but us buys it.
Granaries of the USSR - Krasnodar Territory and Rostov Region. Are they separated?

Find in Russia affordable for all cotton clothes of higher quality than from the republics. I think you will not succeed. They just don’t carry it, because it’s expensive. We should talk about quality only secondarily after availability. Anyway about cotton.
Krasnodar and Rostov are Russia, not the republics of the USSR. Therefore, they do not separate. And they are not fools. You can’t leave alone on wheat alone. And the same Yakuts, for example, really did not mind to wave to the square on diamonds. So don’t tell ..

[SergeBS]

Quote: DOCTOR ZLO

within the borders of the USSR / RI we will never ....

Debatable. Limitrophs from the last forces loudly yapping that they are "defenders of the West from bears with balalaikas." And at the same time "joyfully" die out.
“Proud Georgians” on 08.08.08 received their pride. And as a result, the soul is barely in the body. Nefig was getting out.
Asia? Well, Tajiks, Uzbeks - where do they go "for money"?
404? Well, so what's up with "prosperity"? And why, again, "to the Muscovites-vorogi" go to work? Especially at the next "grave" the peak of immigrants is observed. Well, what? 3 months "sit out" in the "cursed Raska", but LIVE!
As soon as the Russian Federation regains the status of GREAT POWER (and we are stepping forward to this step), all the neighboring national administrations whom the RSFSR and the BSSR fed to their detriment will happily line up with large spoons - "feed us for nothing, because the USA, the EU - for nothing they don’t feed ... "
And it remains only to feed them “on special conditions” (while they at least somehow serve and do not try to bite the lactating hand), or to pohder (with the rolling of these nationalities to the level of Libya and present South Africa).

[arane]

Satya is lousy, and the resonance on the forum is interesting. Especially the percentage of intelligent people and stupid evil dwarfs .....
Reading these stupid posts, I understand that the great-slogan slogan "maslyaku on gilyaku" has every right to not exist, t to all this one field of berries!
How are you, dwarfs, different from Svidomo?
The fact that instead of Russian Armenians? This is an argument.

[DOCTOR ZLO]

arane How are you, dwarfs, different from Svidomo?

As I understand it, you were forcibly taken out of Armenia to the Russian Federation so that you work better here ...

[arane]

Quote: DOCTOR ZLO

arane How are you, dwarfs, different from Svidomo?

As I understand it, you were forcibly taken out of Armenia to the Russian Federation so that you work better here ...

There are two endless things in the world. Time and human stupidity.
I have not been to Armenia! And was born in Novosibirsk

[Alikos]

Quote: arane

Quote: DOCTOR ZLO

arane How are you, dwarfs, different from Svidomo?

As I understand it, you were forcibly taken out of Armenia to the Russian Federation so that you work better here ...

There are two endless things in the world. Time and human stupidity.
I have not been to Armenia! And was born in Novosibirsk

Where only Armenians are not!
Even climbed into Kamchatka)))

[osoboye_mneniye]

Quote: DOCTOR ZLO

arane How are you, dwarfs, different from Svidomo?

As I understand it, you were forcibly taken out of Armenia to the Russian Federation so that you work better here ...

Dohtur, you switched to personality. This is a bad sign. He says that your position is weak, and that you do not hold a blow ..
Friendly advice - try not to do that. Especially in national issues. You can also be considered a nationalist. And here it is strictly.

[north]

Interestingly, I have not seen more than one call to hang someone, but here you are going to directly insult.

[osoboye_mneniye]

Quote: north

Interestingly, I have not seen more than one call to hang someone, but here you are going to directly insult.

If today everyone agrees that the Armenians in Russia are evil, then tomorrow there will be calls to hang. You cannot not understand this. However, you shift the emphasis to an imaginary insult.
Why are you doing it?

[north]

You’ve probably made a mistake, I completely disagree that the Armenians are evil, the neighbor on the contrary, the Armenians helped each other more than once. Each nation has enough of all. I mean that someone has already started calling names with dwarfs, and hints about sugs.

[osoboye_mneniye]

Quote: north

You’ve probably made a mistake, I completely disagree that the Armenians are evil, the neighbor on the contrary, the Armenians helped each other more than once. Each nation has enough of all. I mean that someone has already started calling names with dwarfs, and hints about sugs.

Glad I was wrong. I didn’t notice your answer in essence, that’s wrong ..
How to react to the “dwarfs", one could simply agree that the focus of the article is really no different from propaganda in Ukraine. Well, or one could argue.
When the position on the main issue does not sound, but there is a reaction on the secondary, it always looks strange ..

[north]

Special opinion, you also responded to the same comment about the person.

[L10n77]

Evil is not Armenians, Georgians, etc. evil are migrant workers, and "supposedly refugees" they will not naturalize.

[DOCTOR ZLO]

Quote: north

Interestingly, I have not seen more than one call to hang someone, but here you are going to directly insult.

Do not pay attention to it. It provokes everyone on each branch.

[north]

Doctor evil, whom did I provoke? It's just that for a long time health is not enough to hang on a branch, so I can’t immediately respond.

[DOCTOR ZLO]

Quote: north

Doctor evil, whom did I provoke? It's just that for a long time health is not enough to hang on a branch, so I can’t immediately respond.

Dear, I’m not talking about you, but about osoboye_mneniye will provoke you to insult, and tomorrow you will be banned, he will enjoy it, read his comments, it makes no sense, but a lot of provocation ..

[osoboye_mneniye]

Quote: DOCTOR ZLO

Dear, I’m not talking about you, but about osoboye_mneniye will provoke you to insult, and tomorrow you will be banned, he will enjoy it, read his comments, it makes no sense, but there’s a lot of provocation ..

But you are not being fooled by provocations and answer essentially the questions asked, and no one will ban you. What is easier then.
What a shy you are ... I get pleasure when I see that you are sitting in a puddle according to your position. Is this abnormal in your opinion? If you violate the rules along the way and get a ban, then this indicates your nearness, but it does not bring me joy, because I prefer to communicate with people who are smart. You have to communicate with you because of your rash false statements. Not much, frankly speaking ..
Well, why did you hesitate to answer the questions above? Instead, tell everything here. It’s not good.

[DOCTOR ZLO]

osoboye_mneniye And you do not get fooled by provocations

Let it slip ...

[Roll]

Keep

[Alikos]

Quote: Vladimir16

All Armenians in Russia and Armenia live on the territory of the Russian Empire for centuries. Anyone who writes such an article is just a bastard who wants blood. So you need to bleed the nose with a fist.
All around shouting Long live the USSR! and right there are crap like this article. And the Armenians are a burden to you right away.
Be consistent !!! Either Russia, within the borders of the Empire or the USSR, with all the peoples inhabiting it, or forget the nagging of the destroyed union. No need to be like the Nazis.
This is not about migrants from abroad. It's about those with whom we live together for centuries.

You were the first Armenians to abandon the USSR! They hated him the most and the first left the USSR ...
SO the flag is in your hands, get a receipt for payment

[Seal]

Well, far from centuries. The first Armenians began to move to Russia for permanent residence only under Peter the Great. Moreover, at the end of the reign of Peter, we, Russia, as a matter of fact, came to Transcaucasia ourselves, adding even the southern coast of the Caspian Sea. It goes without saying that I received local Armenians as subjects.
But the bulk of the Armenians began to appear in Russia (RSFSR) in the following periods:
- 1783 year. The withdrawal of Armenians (and Greeks) from the Crimea, under the leadership of Suvorov A.V., whom the Armenians consider to be semi-Armenian (nonsense, of course, nonetheless). The question is very dark. Why it was necessary to take them out of the Crimea is not clear. If, as the official version of the story says, we wanted to reduce the number of taxpayers of the Crimean Khan, it was enough to withdraw from the Kerch Peninsula, which was already Russian. Nevertheless, they decided to withdraw to the Rostov-on-Don region. During the short-distance resettlement, carried out in the most favorable conditions, with the assistance of both the Russian authorities and the Crimean, more than half of those resettled, including the main Armenian metropolitan, died. Many Armenians propose that this generally be recognized as forced displacement - the first genocide of Armenians.
- in 1828, when our troops conquered the Erivan Khanate from the Persians, part of the Armenians began to move to the internal regions of Russia.
- after the end of the Caucasian War and the consolidation of Russia on the Black Sea coast of the Caucasus, Armenians began to populate the liberated lands of the Ubykhs and other Adyghe tribes.
- during the First World War, our eastern regions were occupied by our troops. Again, part of the Armenians from these territories began to move to Russia.
- after the end of World War II, a company was organized to return Armenians to their homeland from around the world. But JV Stalin, that they say “not those Armenians” come, that is, they come purely capitalist and soon covered up this process.
- Well, it goes without saying that many Armenians appeared in Russia after the Leninakan (Spitak) earthquake and also as "refugees" from Azerbaijan. Why these refugees fled to Moscow and the Krasnodar Territory, and not to Yerevan, is unclear.

That is, 4/5 Armenians have been living in the territory of modern Russia for no more than 30 years.
What is the problem ? If you remembered the USSR, you should remember that in all questionnaires there was a clause "Do you have relatives abroad." And for those who “had”, with rare and top-sanctioned exceptions, there was no complete trust. They were not allowed to secret materials. So now almost all Armenians have relatives abroad, and the saddest thing is that it is in the USA. Let not the closest, but at the level of cousins, and even more so second cousins ​​- almost everything.
And considering that the Armenian lobby in the US Congress ranks second after the Israeli in terms of influence, this is very alarming. For having such a lobby, if it acted in the interests of Russia, the adoption by the US Congress of many anti-Russian acts could be prevented. However, this Armenian lobby in the US Congress is by no means pro-Russian. Exclusively pro-Armenian.
The United States annually allocates huge financial assistance to Armenia and Karabakh. In fact, Karabakh is held with US money.
So what is the point for us to keep this fifth column? If they are soul-mates and in fact are friends, then let it be honest and open. With all the ensuing consequences.

PS Oh yes, the first so-called “resettlement” of Armenians to our lands ended for either very sadly. All of them were destroyed by our ancestors on the Kulikovo Field.

[Seal]

It lives, we live, but the fact that 99% of Armenians have relatives abroad, mainly in the USA, cannot be reset.
The fact that multimillion-dollar infusions from the USA are coming to Armenia and Karabakh cannot be discounted either.
It was not for nothing that our President, 10 years ago, demanded from our officials that they liquidate all their foreign assets. Otherwise, because of these assets, they may fall for the US intelligence agencies and so on. And how to “liquidate” such an asset as relatives in the US? No way !!! And it is clear that the American relatives of our Armenians in our time, when sanctions are being poured on us, do not shine with happiness at all because their relatives in Russia conduct their own business, and even conduct it with our state structures. These are the Armenians who are in full view and have big business in Russia, and they are curtailing this business in Russia.

[Logall]

Quote: Solomon Kane

Hello Sasha! As they say - a friend in need is known. Based on the article by Ayrumyan, Russia is just a feeding trough for "friends" ......

Hi Kostya! Such friends, for ... and to the museum!
Something Ararat does not seek to repel. Just chatter about the Great Motherland! And the homeland for them is where the priest is warm ...

[Pirogov]

Quote: Logall

Hi Kostya! Such friends, for ... and to the museum!
Something Ararat does not seek to repel. Just chatter about the Great Motherland! And the homeland for them is where the priest is warm ...

It is precisely said not to add not to diminish.

[akribos]

Dear Logall, we’re the same, we’re not trying to beat Alaska. Sincerely.

[DOCTOR ZLO]

Quote: akribos

Dear Logall, we’re the same, we’re not trying to beat Alaska. Sincerely.

Everything has its time, and pass it on to your masters ...

[akribos]

Dr. Evil, are you likely?

[Logall]

Quote: akribos

Dear Logall, we’re the same, we’re not trying to beat Alaska. Sincerely.

So We do not tremble for her, as the Armenians for Ararat. That's about the Crimea talk was. And where is he now? And if we start a conversation for Alaska, the earth will begin to crack !!!

[Black Colonel]

Do not fuck this nonsense, forum users. You can think of everyone who calls himself Russian, positive on all sides, all hard workers and smart women, write a hell of an icon.

[DOCTOR ZLO]

Quote: Black Colonel

Do not fuck this nonsense, forum users. You can think of everyone who calls himself Russian, positive on all sides, all hard workers and smart women, write a hell of an icon.

Why not praise yourself? Or is it a prerogative of Americans and Ukrainians?
Tired of 90's, sprinkle our heads on ashes with ash, it’s time to send everyone to whom “we should” and warn that we will soon come to them for ours, and our neighbors have something to take, which once belonged to us, let them urinate and waiting in impotent rage ... because except us, by definition, nobody needs them, from the word ABSOLUTELY ...

[Logall]

Seryozha, thank you!
While I was gone, you greatly helped me out!
I will not stay in debt !!!

[SergeBS]

Quote: DOCTOR ZLO

I’m tired of sprinkling ash on my head in the 90s, it’s time to send everyone we “should” and warn that we will soon come to them for our

You’ll laugh, but the “iron Bismarck” spoke out on this subject: “Russians always come for their money, and paper is not a decree for them.” Therefore, he made a covenant: "Do not fight with the Russians."

[Logall]

So we have calculated you. And I think: Who does our Russian people substitute with their behavior?
And to be honest, I know what I'm writing about. I don’t speak for all Russians, there are rotten ones. But the Armenians very much have lit up our rubbish (this is not to use foul language)!

[osoboye_mneniye]

Quote: Logall

So we have calculated you. And I think: Who does our Russian people substitute with their behavior?
And to be honest, I know what I'm writing about. I don’t speak for all Russians, there are rotten ones. But the Armenians very much have lit up our rubbish (this is not to use foul language)!

In general, about the Russians, I share your mood. But if we will cover everyone with whom we used to live under one roof, for nothing, then soon we will be left alone. Yes, and in Russia itself the discord will go, because go figure out who is whose relative.
Probably stupid to argue with this statement ..
Soar lit, yes. And the Russians also lit litters. Because they share with visitors. The strong and active chooses the strong and active as partners. If the authorities allow such rules, then everyone is involved. Just the same Armenians are helping their own, therefore their activity is striking.
A couple of years ago I was in Arkhangelsk on a city holiday. There is no one among the trade stalls of Caucasians. Only in one nook on the embankment did the shashlychnikov notice. All! I asked the locals where they had the highlanders. Those answer that they sit in the markets and do not show their nose from there. There were precedents that ended up bringing them back to the market. All go about their business - everyone is happy.
This is me because, first of all, it depends on the Russians how and what will be arranged in Russia. While the Russians are sitting and waiting for the uncles from power of all visitors (not only Armenians) to learn to do their own thing and not get into someone else’s, these same uncles from power will prefer to get rich at the expense of visitors who are actively doing business, than to close them and remain without earnings .
In general, all these national issues are resolved through the top, through the impact on the authorities. When the Russians turn on (begin to actively work themselves in the areas captured by the visitors), then the government will stir. Otherwise, what is the reason for closing visitors. Well close. And who will work?

[xtur]

> Something Ararat is not trying to beat off

to beat Ararart, we need allies - and they all want exactly the opposite - they want Armenia to have Ararat. Everyone, including the Russian Federation, and the USSR supported and support Turkey

[garnik]

I think Russian people hardly want fraternization with the Turks, who ask them. Beginning with Trotsky’s Russia and to this day (the exception is the times of Joseph Stalin’s reign), Russia is moving towards disintegration.

[DOCTOR ZLO]

Quote: garnik

Russia is moving towards disintegration.

Russia still at your funeral, a wise guy will catch a cold, she survived such invasions and such senior comrades that she will now grind anyone ... to dust ...
For nothing you garnik it said ....

[garnik]

And you turn around. I think I’ll get the shock if Putin doesn’t clean his environment.

[Seal]

And you just look at the flow of ours rushed to the Turkish resorts this year. And in all, more than half of the population of our country has probably been on vacation since 1992 since Turkey. And the Armenians as well.

[Seal]

Well, no figsinki yourself ??? You pretend to Ararat, and we must help you to get it (for you) in your opinion? Why? Turkey for us, if not a friend, then a partner. Why should we make tricks on partners?

[White Brut]

The partner who knocks your combat aircraft in the back ...

[garnik]

White Brut
Seal is a well-known provocateur, zakutok (claiming that he is Russian.)

[Seal]

The partner who knocks your combat aircraft in the back ...

Oh, who would say !!!
Firstly, the Turks shot down only the plane itself. Both of our pilots successfully catapulted over Syrian territory. Then there were events for which the Turkish pilot, in general, had nothing to do with it. He did not shoot our catapulted pilots from a machine gun. as the Germans did during the war.
Secondly, the Turks in the person of the Turkish President in half a year apologized. But the Armenians for 25 years can’t and are not going to apologize for the shooting not of technology, but of our living people - a group of paratroopers Lieutenant Shapovalov July 10, 1992 in the center of Gyumri. Lieutenant Alexander Shapovalov, sergeants Yevgeny Poddubnyak, Oleg Yudintsev, privates Mikhail Karpov, Nikolai Maslennikov died from Armenian bullets.

[genisis]

July 10 1992

That wonderful time when the Russian Federation and Azerbaijan were almost allies? When did the Russian paratroopers of the 328th Guards Airborne Regiment of the 104th Guards Airborne Division under the command of Vladimir Shamanov actively help the rapid advancement of Azerbaijan in Artsakh?

[Seal]

So you want to say that in July 1992 you declared war on us?

[White Brut]

Quote: Seal

the Turks shot down only the plane itself.

Well, if you want the Turks to continue to shoot down "only the plane itself", then there is nothing to add. I am sure that not everyone thinks so in Russia.

[Seal]

As I understand it, are you not going to apologize for the vile murder of our five paratroopers at all?
As for the plane, too, is not so simple.

In my opinion, at first Erdogan himself went nuts, as he found out about our plane shot down by his pilot. He (Erdogan) the first days did not know what to say. He just mumbled and bleated. He had neither an alibi, nor homework. If Erdogan really gave the command to shoot down our plane, then he would surely have composed a fiery speech in advance, which he would have to make if our plane was shot down. Or he would have invented an alibi for himself, if he had given the command, but would have officially decided to refuse, saying that I don’t know anything. And he .... once again only mumbled and pitifully bleated. And only then, apparently when he was encouraged then he began to swagger. Because, as Erdogan’s situation was the most stupid. After all, he himself spoke out and promised that Turkey would bring down our planes if they fly into Turkish airspace. But promise is one thing, and marrying is a completely different thing. Here I had a boss who almost daily on gliders (since there were almost always some men on gliders) he promised subordinates (for some reason the boss always thought that he worked alone, and all the rest did nothing) to join them in non-traditional sexual relationship, and he himself represented the active side. And imagine the situation (theoretically, it wasn’t in life) when everyone gathered at work in the morning and there wasn’t one. Instead, an investigator comes and says that a staff member who was brutally raped and who died because of this was not found today was found. Everyone remembers that it was this employee yesterday and the day before that that our boss particularly vehemently got, promising him all the unconventional ways. Moreover, last night they left work almost simultaneously - and everyone slowly turns their eyes toward the boss. The boss slowly slides down from the chair ... mumbles and bleats .... then he runs to a higher management .. but he also heard about his speeches at the planning meetings ....
The main law of the investigation says - look for someone who benefits. That is, in any crime, the one to whom the results of this crime brought or could bring the greatest benefit is most likely to blame. And so, if you ask the question: “To whom it was most beneficial for the Turks to bring down our plane” - what will be the answer?
1. Beneficial to Erdogan? Hardly. Elections have already passed and his party won them. It is no coincidence that Erdogan looked like a puppy naughty on the carpet, who sees a pile on the carpet, understands that it is a pile - him, but he won’t understand how it happened. Yes, he said a lot of things. But really, he was not going to crap on the carpet. So he rushed about, absolutely not understanding what to do and say in this situation.
2. Is the US profitable? Very possible! But, I believe that on their own initiative the United States would have done this much earlier, at the very beginning of our operation in Syria, when our bombed mostly US-moderate "moderate opposition" and really flew into Turkish airspace ..
3. Beneficial to Israel? Maybe. Turkey with its agricultural products blocked the way of Israeli products to our market. But this purely commercial problem for Israel poses no threat, either politically, geopolitically, or militarily. That is, it’s absolutely not worth it to bring down our plane.
4. Beneficial to ISIS? Yes, ISIS, and indeed the entire Syrian opposition, is extremely beneficial for Turkey to bring down our plane. They could expect that ours would be distracted from the Syrian operation, mired in a showdown with Turkey. Does ISIS and other opposition have the resources to do this? Yes there is. The pilot or his commanders can be persuaded, bribed or intimidated.
5. Profitable Turkish opposition? Yes too. After the recent elections, all Turkish opposition realized that Erdogan would not be removed in the near future by parliamentary means. And since anti-Erdogan sentiments were quite strong in the Turkish army, as we all later saw, it is not surprising that the Turkish opposition, including the army, found a suitable pilot who might not even be a supporter of the Turkish opposition, but vice versa , a supporter of the "gray wolves" and gave him the appropriate command. Which, moreover, was precisely in line with the loud public statements of Erdogan himself.
6. And more. There is one country that is considered to be our "ally," but which has very jealously and extremely irritably watched the rapprochement between Russia and Turkey, intensified in recent years. Unlike Israel, for which the rapprochement between Turkey and Russia, although it was commercially unprofitable, was not threatened either politically or militarily, this country perceived the rapprochement of Turkey and Russia as a primary and obvious threat to its geopolitical interests. Moreover, representatives of the titular nation of this country have every opportunity to force the United States to participate in the preparation and provision of this provocation. After all, the lobby of the nation that inhabits this country is the second most powerful and powerful in the United States, after the Israeli lobby. And I won’t be surprised if one day it turns out that either the pilot who shot down our plane or his commanders were paid well from this country. Or, it is also likely that someone (a pilot or one of his commanders), although he was a Muslim and bore a purely Turkish surname, was not, say, a Turkish origin. And there are several million such in Turkey. And since they, against the background of the Turks, stand out with their wits and quick wits, one damn thing is known in which Turkish bodies they still settled.

[genisis]

As for the "ambiguity" with the plane - did you come up with this yourself?
And here is what Erdogan himself said about this:
"Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan after a meeting of the Turkish Security Council said that Turkey believes that in the incident with a Russian Su-24 shot down by a military aircraft, the Turkish air forces acted within the framework of the rules for responding to threats, RIA Novosti reports.
“We did not want this situation, but everyone should respect the right of Turkey to protect its borders,” he said.
The Turkish President noted that an unidentified military aircraft invaded their country's airspace.
“Within five minutes he received ten warnings, but the violation continued. Strictly, within the framework of the rules for responding to threats that we adopted and announced earlier, they intervened in relation to him, ”Erdogan said.
According to him, Turkey strongly condemns the attacks on the Syrian Turkmens, who, according to him, are attacked by aircraft, and therefore the civilian population is forced to move towards the Turkish border. "
http://www.aif.ru/society/safety/erdogan_rossiysk
iy_plane_byl_sbit_v_ramkah_pravil_reagirovaniya
_na_threatening

[verner1967]

Quote: Solomon Kane

As they say - a friend in need is known

Nvfig these friends, let them knock and take others with you! The best news of the past week

[Ararat]

If you follow your logic, then Russia to tear on a national basis. Your country is perhaps the most multinational in the world, and your demographic progress is mainly due to them.

[Gorjelin]

Based on the article by Ayrumyan, Russia is just a feeding trough for "friends" ......

Nvfig these friends, let them knock and take others with you! The best news of the past week

it is not very clever to make such statements in multinational Russia. The USSR was torn on a national basis, they also want to break Russia, and you sing along with them (all provocations are underway)!

It is not necessary to blame all Armenians and other peoples for nothing, there are different people in all peoples.

[Solomon Kane]

Naira Hayrumyan:

"The" higher "the level of Armenian-Russian relations, the less sympathizers in Armenia have in Russia. This" proportion "peaked after Serzh Sargsyan announced in Moscow that he wanted to further increase the level of relations and join the Customs Union.

Moscow, of course, has little interest in how Russia is treated in its colonies, but Moscow should also understand that there is some critical level that easily breaks the empire. And in Armenia this level is already reaching a critical level.

Almost no one, even the ruling party, approved Serzh Sargsyan’s statement. Moreover, many recognized that the decision was made under powerful pressure, and not based on the interests of the Armenian state. And to those who exert pressure, the attitude is known what.

In Armenia, no one chants “I Hate Russia” or “Down with the Russians”, there are calls “No USSR”, “Putin, leave”, “Serge, leave”. But even Samvel Aleksanyan does not force his women to call for friendship with Russia. Everyone knows well that there is present-day Russia.

Vladimir Putin, with his neo-Soviet imperial policy, managed to achieve the psychological collapse of the 300-year-old empire. The peoples, who felt themselves to be once an equal part of the empire (with the “older brother”), realized that they were just a powerless colony that could be blackmailed and forced.

Read carefully. Which of us is sowing ethnic hatred? There is no need to take separate statements out of the context of all comments ... In my commentary I revealed the “leitmotif” of the article by Ms. Hayrumyan .....

[Gorjelin]

Read carefully.

Unfortunately, it was not very clear

Which of us is sowing ethnic hatred?

I do not bear)

[DOCTOR ZLO]

Gorjelin is not very clever to make such statements in multinational Russia

Not smart for anyone, for Armenians? And since when did the Armenians become one of the peoples of the Russian Federation?
With the collapse of the USSR, they did not consider themselves the people of the Union, and then suddenly they became one of the peoples of the Russian Federation ...

[Gorjelin]

Who else will be excluded from the peoples of Russia?

[Seal]

Will Estonians, Latvians, Lithuanians, Georgians, Moldavians, Azerbaijanis, Uzbeks, Tajiks, Turkmens, Kyrgyz, Kyrgyz?

[osoboye_mneniye]

Quote: DOCTOR ZLO

Gorjelin is not very clever to make such statements in multinational Russia

Not smart for anyone, for Armenians? And since when did the Armenians become one of the peoples of the Russian Federation?
With the collapse of the USSR, they did not consider themselves the people of the Union, and then suddenly they became one of the peoples of the Russian Federation ...

You will study the results of the referendum. There you can see that almost all republics, except the Baltic states, considered themselves the people of the Union.
Why are you misleading people. Why do you instead of trying to defend your point of view objectively at all costs, including by deceit, to defend your position (I do not write "convictions" or "point of view" nemerno)? Then it will be clear, is it your conviction, or a position with implicit motives ..

[Seal]

You will study the results of the referendum. There you can see that almost all republics, except the Baltic states, considered themselves the people of the Union.

And you, giving such recommendations, you yourself studied its results? Well then tell us how Armenia voted in the referendum

[osoboye_mneniye]

You got me here. Armenia did not participate in the referendum.
But given its size and population, it is clear that based on Armenia’s refusal from the USSR, there is no need to talk about a trend. Armenia, Georgia, Moldova and the Baltic states did not vote. Together, they accounted for only 7,3% of the USSR population. In general, the majority was for conservation. But since these republics were subjects, the Union collapsed.
It turns out that the smallest to hit the easiest.

[Seal]

it is not very clever to make such statements in multinational Russia. The USSR was torn on a national basis, they also want to break Russia, and you sing along with them (all provocations are underway)!

So the Armenians are doing this. You read their comments and their speeches. In all Armenian articles, comments and speeches, they throw a thesis that Russia and Armenia as two Christian countries must confront Muslim aggressors. Thus, they are trying to drive a wedge into the unity of the peoples of Russia, adhering to different faiths. In Russia, Islam is as traditional a religion as Christianity. And in our army the percentage of Muslims is even greater. So that everything is correct. Those who do not like the fact that in Russia all religions are equivalent, and Russia in general is a secular state - let them fall to themselves.

[genisis]

Russia is not only a multiconfessional, but also a multinational state, whose citizens are equal to each other regardless of nationality.
And the Armenians are the same citizens of the Russian Federation as Sergei Petrovich and others.
And they cannot bring down to themselves, because already at home.
And your great-power chauvinism will not lead to anything good.

[Seal]

And they cannot bring down

They can. Even as they can. Firstly, many received our citizenship in violation of the law. That is, for bribes. I myself know such a minimum of 10 individuals.
Secondly, a huge number of dual citizenship. Both ours and Armenian. That is, both ours and yours. And many have American passports. That is, ours, and yours and also theirs.
And finally .... there is an old joke.

“Haim, did you hear that there will be a pogrom soon?”
- But I'm not afraid - I'm on a Russian passport.
Chaim, but they will beat not according to the passport, but in the face!

And there is another old joke.

The old Armenian is dying. Demands to bring to him all the children, grandchildren, fellow villagers, etc. .... He wants to say the latest wisdom.
When everyone gathers, he says:
- Armenians, take care of the Jews !!!
All with surprise:
- Why not?
- Armenians! Finish with them - they will follow us! ...

[White Brut]

Xenophobia ... Have you already had nervous tics?

[Seal]

Oh, who would say. A distinctive feature of the Nazi is a contempt for other nations. Why do Armenians say that they are “in blockade”? Because the Armenians from the height of their Armenian Nazism despise both Azerbaijanis and Georgians and Turks and Persians. Someone more (Azerbaijanis and Turks), someone less - Georgians and Persians. But still despise everyone. Armenians despise us, But just like in the case with the Persians, in relations with us, the Armenians are still forced to put their contempt in their ass. For they use us (and the Persians) for their own purposes. In fact, the Armenians only very beautifully sing songs about the friendship of peoples, about their peacefulness and about their friendship with the great Russian people. But it is not for nothing that they say - look not according to their words, but according to their deeds. But things are such that it is from Armenia in percentage terms after the collapse of the USSR that the largest number of Russian-speakers left. Let me remind you that not in absolute but in percentage terms. If their “beloved” neighbors in Azerbaijan under the USSR had a little more than 400 hundred thousand Russian-speaking people, now they have more than 120 thousand left there. And in Armenia there were just over 70 thousand, and less than 10 thousand remained. And according to some estimates, there are not five thousand Russians. Not counting the military personnel of our base and members of their families. The once tolerant Erivan province of our Russian Empire, where Armenians made up just over 50% of the population, and hundreds of other nationalities lived with them in the province, has now become the most mono-ethnic country in the world, where the number of titular population is 98,8%. The peace-loving Armenians drove out all the rest, squeezed out or squeezed out, squeezing in their warm friendly embrace. Even from Tajikistan, where not only like in Armenia there was no water or light for years, but also a civil war, there were less people who left our country than from Armenia. Even the most unpretentious in everyday life MOLOKANIS escaped from Armenia, who consider using electricity as a sin. Under Soviet rule, there were about (or slightly more) 50 purely Molokan villages in Armenia. Now there are only 2 (two) left - Lermontovo and Violetovo, and they are already half Armenian. Hitler did not even dream of achieving such a "Germans / non-Germans" ratio for his Nazi Germany, which the "most peaceful, most friendly" Armenians have now achieved. The Armenians are in fact the most consistent students of Hitler, now translating his ideas into practice.

[genisis]

You're lying again.

And in Armenia there were just over 70 thousand

According to the 1989 census, there are 51555 Russians. http://demoscope.ru/weekly/ssp/sng_nac_89.php?reg
= 13

but less than 10 thousand

According to the 2001 census, there are 14660 Russians.
http://www.hayweb.ru/faq-armenia/population/289-k
akova-chislennost-i-nacionalnyj-composition-naseleniya
-armenii.html
Why do you always distort the facts?

[Seal]

Quote: genisis

According to the 1989 census, there are 51555 Russians. http://demoscope.ru/weekly/ssp/sng_nac_89.php?reg=13

The 1989 census is not an indicator. Our (our Slavs are all ours) started to scatter from Armenia already in 1987.
But why didn’t you cite as an example the last census of a period that is not falling apart, as in 1989, but also a period of a strong and prosperous USSR?

[genisis]

The old jokes are very fond of the old great-power nationalists.
And what is your citizenship?
Russian? So it is the same as yours, like the other nationalities inhabiting Russia: the Chuvash, Bashkirs, Umdurts, Ossetians, Yakuts, Khanty, Chechens, Kazakhs, Armenians, Ukrainians, Mordvinians, Tatars, Russians and others.
Something is not heard of your lamentations when Olympic medals for the glory of Russia are won by athletes with the endings of surnames in YAN or DZE.
Your jokes about pogroms could be funny if they did not reflect your real perception of reality.

[Seal]

So it’s the same as yours, like the other nationalities inhabiting Russia: the Chuvash, Bashkirs, Umdurts, Ossetians, Yakuts, Khanty, Chechens, Kazakhs, Armenians, Ukrainians, Mordvinians, Tatars, Russians and others.

There are state-forming nations and nationalities. These are those whose signatures are on the Approved Certificate of 1613 on the election of Mikhail Romanov. In fact, this is the Act on the restoration of our statehood after the Great Troubles. There are signatures made in Arabic script - the signatures of the Tatar and Bashkir representatives.
There are nations and nationalities whose lands our ancestors conquered at the tip of our Russian bayonet.

And there are Armenians and Georgians, whose ancestors themselves came running to us to be saved. And now they demand that we be grateful to them for the fact that their crime is 0,001% less (and that is not a fact) than the crime of representatives of peoples conquered by our ancestors.

Something is not heard of your lamentations when Olympic medals for the glory of Russia are won by athletes with the endings of surnames in YAN or DZE.

Maybe you heard from me something enthusiastic about this? For a long time, all athletes work not for the glory of the country, but for their own pocket. The last of those who worked precisely for fame were probably before the revolution, well, or until the 1930s. And then, when the apartments, cottages, bonuses went .... and even more so now, when hundreds of thousands of dollars are at stake for victory.

[genisis]

There are state-forming nations and nationalities. These are those whose signatures are on the Approved Certificate of 1613 on the election of Mikhail Romanov.

There are nations and nationalities whose lands our ancestors conquered at the tip of our Russian bayonet.

When did the Ossetians sign this letter, or when did Russia conquer Ossetia?
And now - Ossetians - non-citizens of the Russian Federation?

[osoboye_mneniye]

Quote: Seal

Maybe you heard from me something enthusiastic about this? For a long time, all athletes work not for the glory of the country, but for their own pocket. The last of those who worked precisely for fame were probably before the revolution, well, or until the 1930s. And then, when the apartments, cottages, bonuses went .... and even more so now, when hundreds of thousands of dollars are at stake for victory.

You are wrong. In Russia, athletes, even high-class ones, can more or less live only by the totality of incomes - the team pays, the city pays, the Ministry of Internal Affairs or the army pays, something comes from advertising, etc. But believe me, this is not the money for which it makes sense to plow over the years for wear, and then for years to be treated. Amateur sports are not rich. The same Olympians for their achievements receive amounts incommensurably lower than non-athletes earn by making similar efforts in their work. I’m not talking about any football clubs owned by the owners, professional tennis, boxing, hockey, etc., where they really work for money.
In general, you are mistaken in your assessment.

[Observer2014]

Solomon Kane ,

Russia is just a feeding trough for "friends" ......

For Armenians .DA !!!!!!

Armenia prepares for big repatriation from Russia

Ha ha ha ha ha !!!!! Really !!!

[Sling cutter]

This is an article of "Armenian Radio"

[Alikos]

Quote: Solomon Kane

Hello Sasha! As they say - a friend in need is known. Based on the article by Ayrumyan, Russia is just a feeding trough for "friends" ......

Such friends - and taken to the museum!

[HAM]

Do not confuse the Armavir Armenians and the arrogant "refugees" with Armenia, the locals are not very happy with them either.

[Logall]

Have you been to Armavir? It is 60 km from my house! And do not tell me about these horsemen, they don’t like visitors later that they occupy their bread (pita) places. And as soon as the newcomer rises and can give money, then Wellcome is that diaspora.

[Logall]

Nevinnomyssk !!!

[sgazeev]

Quote: Logall

I wonder if she was in Armavir? It is on the border of Krasnodar and Stavropol Territories. It is also called `` Second Yerevan ''!
They can’t drive them out with sticks ...

There are more Armenians in Rostov than in Armenia itself. They want to quarrel.

[Black Colonel]

It was somehow, the Armenians from the Caucasus came from the Rostov tribesmen to raise Azeri. Rostov visitors said that here all visitors and neher I think to think. They reminded where the station was and when the nearest train was to Yerevan.

[Karen]

Yes, Rostov was remembered in the 92nd. There nearby, in Taganrog, airmen from the Kirovabad part were placed in tents on the “Russian field”, and they flew in sequence to Yerevan and Baku to deliver weapons by the warring parties. Naturally, money was most important to them ... like this journalist today.

[Okolotochny]

In the same vein, I can tell you about the Armenians that were “remembered” - look at how many of them are “thieves in law”, how many have been convicted under the article for selling drugs, “hucksters” for a simple reason. Your example is not successful, as you yourself.

[Karen]

Well, you’re an unsuccessful one ... Our drug percentage is the lowest. Do you remember thieves? Your octopus.

[Okolotochny]

our lowest

Do not la la, "professor." You are not in the subject, and therefore listen to those who are involved in this.
And this is a MASTERPIECE:

Do you remember thieves? Your octopus.

That in Georgia, that you had STREETS with THIES in the LAW.
If there was a "Russian octopus" I would personally for people like you, for people like Avakov, would have crossed the borders and looked to see you in Sumgait, in Baku in the late 80s. "Refugees" Mlyn. And Russia is kind, how many settled in the Kuban? Not in the Far East, not in the North. Where it is warmer.

[SergeBS]

Again, Azerbaijanis clashed with the Armenians - who is cooler.
And to whom more "nishtyaks" were delivered by "villains-Russians."
Already in this you are united - "Ivan helps our enemy, not us!"
Lapdogs are decorative. What are these.

[Observer2014]

sgazeev

They want to quarrel.

Not! Here is a song for them to prove

[garnik]

Do not like to read the story, unfortunately. Russian Armavir. Wiki.

[weksha50]

Quote: garnik

Do not like to read the story, unfortunately. Russian Armavir. Wiki.

There are two Armavir - Russian and Armenian ...
So the Russian Armavir was created almost 150 years earlier than the Armenian ... And in terms of population it is 5 times, if not more, more than the Armenian ...

[garnik]

Sit down 2. I would copy it from the wiki, but I think no one is interested. It is easier to write without knowing the topic.

[Orionvit]

Quote: Logall

I wonder if she was in Armavir?

Was she in Pyatigorsk? And so it is everywhere.

[antivirus]

LET GO IN KARABAKH, TO PROTECT HOMELAND. And then they sit on Kamchatka (THERE, OH, HOW IT IS DIFFICULT TO SERVICE) AND THE BARGAGE IS EATING
everyone will leave and raise Armenia to an unattainable height (for Azerbaijan)

[Pivot]

They historically live there, as well as in the village of Otradnaya or the village of Chaltyr, Rostov Region.

[RASKAT]

Or near Rostov Nakhchivan Where the Armenians only live, since the time of Suvorov. Feel good and do not even think to move.

[garnik]

If you move, you must go to the Crimea, from where they moved. Where from the time of the Byzantine Empire formed a colony.

[Seal]

Does Byzantium agree?

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Logall

I wonder if she was in Armavir? It is on the border of Krasnodar and Stavropol Territories. It is also called `` Second Yerevan ''!
They can’t drive them out with sticks ...

they are everywhere .... NE current in Armavir !!!

[Butchcassidy]

Quote: Logall

I wonder if she was in Armavir? It is on the border of Krasnodar and Stavropol Territories. It is also called `` Second Yerevan ''!
They can’t drive them out with sticks ...

In fact, the Armenians founded Armavir. The name is in honor of the eponymous capital of one of the Armenian kingdoms.

[xtur]

> Armavir
> They can't be driven out of there with sticks ...

this city was founded by the Armenians, when they were resettled by Suvorov from the Crimea, and also the name of the ancient capital of Armenia. So, in Armavir, the Armenians at home

[SergeBS]

Quote: xtur

this city was founded by Armenians, when they were resettled by Suvorov from the Crimea

Yah? And who else did Suvorov relocate from Crimea? I want a list. With proofs.
Lie, do not lie.

[Seal]

And who else did Suvorov relocate from Crimea?

Greeks. The story is generally dark. I have a version. I will post it on request.

[Alikos]

Quote: SergeBS

Quote: xtur

this city was founded by Armenians, when they were resettled by Suvorov from the Crimea

Yah? And who else did Suvorov relocate from Crimea? I want a list. With proofs.
Lie, do not lie.

)) Yes, they lie like breathing! Easy and often ....

[Seal]

And if you set up your camp near Yaroslavl tomorrow and call it “Armavir” - will you consider yourself entitled to feel at home in that Armavir?

[vch]

We have half a city - Armenians. Even the whole district (and before the revolution - a separate city) is called Nakhchivan. As a rule, Armenians are quite wealthy people. Well, those who are not very lucky in life are helped by numerous friends and relatives. My neighbors are Armenians, wonderful people who will always and in everything help. When I told them about this article, they long and emotionally cursed in Armenian. I think that the majority of the Armenian diaspora had a similar reaction.

[Doliva63]

Dear, are you from Nakhichevan ?!

[vch]

No, I’m not from Nakhichevan myself .... It’s just Rostovites))))) In Nakhichevan, my grandmother and grandfather lived on the 9th line .....))))))

[Doliva63]

Is this a district in Rostov? Understood) I'm sorry to bother you.

[DEPARTMENT]

Quote: Thrall

Custom article. Although Naira Hayrumyan is a noble Russophobia, what are only the names of her articles, such as: "I hate Russia."

Azerbaijan-Israel clearly ordered ..! They are friends there now .. hehe Calm guys, just calm ..

[alone]

Quote: DEPARTMENT

Azerbaijan-Israel clearly ordered ..!

Vitaly, again you are carrying nonsense! Azerbaijan ordered the Armenian edition of Lragir a similar article! Friends with your head?

[DEPARTMENT]

[quote = lonely] [quote = DEPARTMENT] Azerbaijan-Israel was explicitly ordered ..! [/ quote]

Vitaly, again you are carrying nonsense! Azerbaijan ordered the Armenian edition of Lragir a similar article! Buddy friend? [/ Quote]
And what did I express? [
quote = lonely] Buddy friend? [/ quote]
You are friends with Israel ..! And you can’t take Armenia, say hello to Aliyev .. (he will understand ..!)))

[alone]

Quote: DEPARTMENT

You are friends with Israel ..!

We are friends with many ... and with Russia too. Friendship with Israel does not mean that we ordered the Armenian publication to write an article against Russia or Armenia. We have our own publications.

Quote: DEPARTMENT

! And you won’t take Armenia,

Do we need Armenia?

Quote: DEPARTMENT

Say hello to Aliyev

Mddya .... this is the diagnosis (( Address to associate professor Sazonova Irina Vladimirovna. She will cure you !!!

[DEPARTMENT]

Quote: lonely

Mddyaya .... this is the diagnosis ((crying, contact the assistant professor Sazonova Irina Vladimirovna. She will cure you !!!

Nobody will cure me .. We are Russians!

[alone]

Quote: DEPARTMENT

Nobody will cure me ..

I'm so sorry!

Quote: DEPARTMENT

We are Russians!

Schizophrenia is a purely personal matter. There is no need for nationality here.

[padded jacket]

Quote: DEPARTMENT

Say hello to Aliyev.

It’s interesting, but the Azerbaijanis from Russia are not going to leave their homeland? And then right on the markets of Russian speech is no longer heard.

[Seal]

It’s interesting, but the Azerbaijanis from Russia are not going to leave their homeland?

What is the difference between Armenians living in Russia and Azerbaijanis living in Russia? The difference in the funeral !!! If an Azerbaijani dies, then in 90% of cases they bring him to bury in Azerbaijan. And if an Armenian dies in Russia? And the Armenian in 90% of cases is buried in our Russian land, but already in the "Armenian cemeteries" next to Armenian churches. This suggests that the Azerbaijanis believe that they are in our GUESTS. And the Armenians believe that they are HOSYAEV in our land.
All Eastern Orthodox churches RESPECT each other and call themselves sister churches. And from mutual respect, the main principle follows - not a single sister Orthodox church conducts its ecumenical activities on the territory of another sister Orthodox Church. Neither Antioch, nor Alexandria, nor Serbian, nor Georgian, nor Abyssinian and so on, Orthodox churches conduct their ecumenical activities on the territory of the Moscow Patriarchate and on the territories of other sister churches. And who leads? Yes, only those who do not respect the principles developed by sister Orthodox churches: Protestants, Mormons, Catholics, Jehovah’s .. and Gregorians. The Serbian Patriarchate, the Antiochian Patriarchate, the Georgian Patriarchate, the Greek Patriarchate and all other sister churches will never build and will not build their churches on the land of the Moscow Patriarchate. Therefore, Serbs and Romanians and Georgians and Ethiopians and Greeks in Russia quietly go to the churches of the Moscow Patriarchate. But the Armenian Gregorian church is likened to Catholics, Protestants, all sorts of Mormons and other Jehovists who brazenly erect their temples on the territory of the Moscow Patriarchate. Azerbaijanis, by the way, who are Shiites, have never raised the question of opening an Azerbaijani Shiite mosque in Russia and quietly pray in the Sunni mosques in Russia.

[genisis]

What is the difference between Armenians living in Russia and Azerbaijanis living in Russia? The difference in the funeral !!! If an Azerbaijani dies, then in 90% of cases they bring him to bury in Azerbaijan. And if an Armenian dies in Russia? And the Armenian in 90% of cases is buried in our Russian land, but already in the "Armenian cemeteries" next to Armenian churches.

Sergey Petrovich, dear, Armenians have been buried in Armenian cemeteries in Moscow since the 1730s. By that time, Azerbaijanis still simply did not exist in nature, they have not been invented yet.

Protestants, Mormons, Catholics, Jehovah’s .. and Gregorians

- But how did you forget the Assyrian Church of the East. They have a temple in Moscow on Ball Bearing.

But the Armenian Gregorian church is likened to Catholics, Protestants, all sorts of Mormons and other Jehovists who brazenly erect their temples on the territory of the Moscow Patriarchate.

The Armenian Apostolic Church conducts worship in Armenian everywhere! And unlike Catholics, Protestants, and other Mormons, the goal is not to attract adherents from among non-Armenian residents of Russia.

Therefore, Serbs and Romanians and Georgians and Ethiopians and Greeks in Russia quietly go to the churches of the Moscow Patriarchate.

Armenians are baptized from left to right. But in the churches of the Russian Orthodox Church it is impossible. Therefore it is necessary to build their own temples. Not for that, the Armenians fought for their faith for many centuries, then to stop serving the liturgy in their native language.

Azerbaijanis, by the way, who are Shiites, have never raised the question of opening an Azerbaijani Shiite mosque in Russia and quietly pray in the Sunni mosques in Russia.

You may not be aware, but since there is no such nationality, the Lezghins and Avars, for example, who live in Azerbaijan, as well as the Lezghins and Avars living in Dagestan, are Sunnis. Maybe that's why they pray calmly in Sunni mosques?

[Seal]

By that time, Azerbaijanis still simply did not exist in nature, they have not been invented yet.

Nevertheless, already in the Turkmanchi Treaty of 1828, Azerbaijan is quite normally mentioned.

how did you forget the Assyrian Church of the East. They have a temple in Moscow on Ball Bearing.

Good. "But the Armenian Gregorian church is likened to Catholics, Protestants, Assyrians, all sorts of Mormons and other Jehovists who brazenly erect their temples on the territory of the Moscow Patriarchate." That's better ?

Armenians are baptized from left to right. But in the churches of the Russian Orthodox Church it is impossible.

Yes, in Orthodox churches, even Muslims can pray.

Archpriest Dimitry Smirnov, head of the Synodal Department for Cooperation with the Armed Forces, in an interview with Interfax Religion, welcomed the Muslims' intention to visit Orthodox churches.

"These are not threats, we are very pleased, please. The doors of the churches are open - come and pray slowly. Maybe some of them will be interested in Christianity. We are ready to give the Gospel in Turkic languages ​​to better represent the faith of that country, in which they were, "said Father Demetrius.

The priest reminded that Muslims revere Jesus Christ as the prophet Isa, and said that they often go to his temple: "they are interested, we always accept them with an open heart."

"Some people come just to help from the heart. And how many Muslims we are participating in the construction of new churches, in the construction of Sunday schools, in restoration! Our brother is an Uzbek, a Tajik - he helps out, and we are very grateful," Father Dimitry praised the work of his assistants.

By the way, the spiritual leaders of Muslims do not forbid them.

Answering the question about the permissibility of performing namaz in the church, Alyautdinov emphasized that there is no direct ban on this. However, there is evidence that the companions of the prophet prayed in Christian churches.
“Scientists (taking into account many ayahs and hadiths) spoke about the permissibility of prayers in temples, for example in a church. There is considerable evidence that the Companions of the Prophet and first-generation scholars, traveling to regions and states where there were no mosques, prayed in Christian churches. When they were asked about this, they replied: “There is nothing wrong with that,” the religious figure wrote on his website.

As you can see, there is no problem for anyone. Except for the Armenians.

[genisis]

Nevertheless, already in the Turkmanchi Treaty of 1828, Azerbaijan is quite normally mentioned.

Sure. The third article of the treaty mentions the Persian province of Azerbaijan, but not a word is said about the “Azerbaijanis” who inhabit it.
Article III
In order to provide e.v. Emperor of All-Russian timely
and full payment of the said compensation, high contracting
the parties agreed that up to the final payment of eight
kururov fogs the entire province, called Azerbaijan, will remain
under the direct authority of the Russian troops and will be controlled
exclusively in the interests of Russia in this way ...

[Bath]

Of course, I would like to, but whom will they naughty in Armenia? each other nekosherno

[Juborg]

It’s easier to agree with the Turks than to speak with the Armenians. Ungrateful people.

[garnik]

Agree that they gave Russia 50 years to exist or 25. Damn, it’s as if there were only guys on the forum. Do you know why the Turks had 12 wars with Russia? And in all the wars in the Caucasus, the Armenians took part.

[Seal]

You do not know why the Turks organized 12 wars with Russia?

But why lie? Are you keeping all the suckers here? And is it that out of 12 wars, 8 (eight) were initiated by us, Russia?

1568-1570 - the initiators of the Turks.
1672-1681 - we are the initiators.
1686-1700 - we are the initiators.
1710-1713 - we are the initiators.
1735-1739 - we are the initiators.
1768-1774 - the initiators of the Turks.
1787-1791 - the initiators of the Turks.
1806-1812 - we are the initiators.
1828-1829 - we are the initiators.
The Crimean War (1853-1856) - and here we are the initiators, and then the English, the treasurers and the Sardinians then harnessed themselves to the Turks.
1877-1878 - we are the initiators.
The First World War - Germans dragged Turkey into their ears, who were helped by you know who. Moreover, Enver Pasha personally authorized the raid to our shores, without notification to higher authorities. And then formally we declared war on Turkey, and not vice versa.

And further. 12 wars ??? So what ???
We fought 17 wars with the Swedes, not counting the border conflicts of 1375–1396.
Then come the Poles. 14 wars. But if we take three Polish uprisings, which were larger in scale than another war (1794 - Kosciuszko uprising; 1830-1831 November uprising; 1863-1864 January uprising), as well as our campaign in Poland in September 1939 - then Russian-Polish there will be even more Russian-Swedish wars.
And only then are the Russian-Turkish wars (12 wars). And in 8 wars we were the initiators. Only a couple of wars less we fought with the Lithuanians.
And how many battles the various Russian principalities had with the crusaders - that is what history does not remember.
By duration, the longest are not Russian-Ottoman, but Russian-Polish wars. In total, we fought with the Poles for over 100 years.
The bloodiest are the Russian-German wars. In total, the Germans accounted for two world wars - over 30 million lives of our compatriots.
The Ottomans never made us such tricks as:
- Swedes after the miserable battle for us at Fraustadt, held on February 2, 1706 (Julian calendar); February 3, 1706 (Swedish calendar); February 13, 1706 (Gregorian calendar) when the victorious Swedes stabbed 4 of our prisoners with cold steel. “In the battle of Fraustadt, an incomprehensible, truly bestial cruelty of the Swedes was revealed regarding the Russians. Indeed, in this combined army of the Saxon general Schulenburg, who suffered such a rout, there were Saxons, Poles, and even Frenchmen who served in the Saxon army, and, finally, Russians. After their victory (February 3, 1706), the Swedish army captured all those who were not killed and did not have time to escape. Everyone except the Russians! "Many Russians were beaten as well, and which of the soldiers were taken to full, and with those the enemy zealously mercifully acted, according to the royal decree issued before about them, so as not to give them pardon (or mercy), and scolding people 2 and 3 "They stabbed one another with their spears and baguettes (bayonets. - E. T.). In such a barbaric way, the Swedes exterminated 4 thousand disarmed Russian prisoners after the battle." E.V. Tarle, "The Northern War and the Swedish Invasion of Russia";
- Germans who attacked us without declaring war on 22.06.1941/XNUMX/XNUMX. The Ottomans, if they themselves started, first, by all the rules, declared war on us, and hostilities began somewhere half a year after the announcement. And even later.
- Poles who literally crap Kremlin churches. So why are the Ottomans worse than the Swedes, Poles or Germans?

And in all the wars in the Caucasus, the Armenians took part.

Well, yes, Armenian interests were also affected there. But if you spoke quite honestly, you would say that on our side there were no more Armenians than Armenians on the side of the Turks.

[Karen]

Yudoborg, of course, like you are kosher with the Turks talking ... they do not spare the bribe money ...

[Slovak]

Are there Armenians on salary in Russia?

[DOCTOR ZLO]

Quote: Slovak

Are there Armenians on salary in Russia?

Like the Jews, the pavers ...

[Alikos]

Quote: Slovak

Are there Armenians on salary in Russia?

There is one more!
The chief banker of the union of Russian banks Garegin Tasunyan. Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov (Kalantaryan)
At a very good salary, although for Russia and for the Russian people there is practically no benefit from them

[self-propelled]

representatives of the Armenian diaspora allegedly becoming harder to live in Russia
Well, if people live by the law, it is equally difficult for everyone (in the sense of not easy). and if you wait for yourself (as offended and oppressed peoples) some indulgences ?! Well, sorry. according to the Constitution, all peoples and nationalities in Russia have equal rights ... somehow

[SergeBS]

Such nationalities in the USSR ate more than they worked. So they want to return to the "glorious Soviet times", a heart-rending screech - "we, the nationals, DO NOT FEED for our nationality." Yes, only the original Lithuanian holiday “Oblomaitis” has come for them.

[Seal]

May be. Or maybe you need to dig a little deeper. 99 percent of Armenians living in Russia and Armenia have relatives in the United States. Well, or as a last resort in France. The Armenian lobby in the US Congress is the second most influential after the Israeli one. So it is more than likely that the Armenians doing their business in Russia received a signal from their relatives from the USA about the fact that:
1. Russia under sanctions.
2. You conduct your business in Russia, and even fulfill government orders (here it should also be taken into account that Armenian business in Russia is very often tied to budget financing).
3. We were hinted that if our relatives in Russia continue to cooperate with the Russian authorities, then here in the USA there will be problems.
4. And if we have problems, then they will be with you.

Not for nothing in the days of the Soviet Socialist Republic in the personnel questionnaire there was a column "Do you have relatives abroad." For even the most honest and principled person can be forced to change his country by the fact that his relative abroad is hung up for eggs.

[garnik]

Are you talking about the Jewish brothers.

[siberalt]

10 million Armenians live all over the world. If they all come together to Armenia, then Armenia will become as Azerbaijan in terms of population. But even then it’s good for them that life in Armenia has become better than in Russia. It makes us neither cold nor hot. We are able to make barbecue. We will learn how to make shawarma, and Azerbaijanis will be drawn to their homeland.

[DEPARTMENT]

Quote: siberalt

10 million Armenians live all over the world. If they all come together to Armenia, then Armenia will become Azerbaijan as a population

And Azerbaijan will join Armenia (201 Russian brigade)))))

[alone]

Quote: DEPARTMENT

And Azerbaijan will join Armenia (201 Russian brigade)))))

The FSB will deal with you !! And the whole 201st brigade

[DEPARTMENT]

Quote: lonely

Quote: DEPARTMENT

And Azerbaijan will join Armenia (201 Russian brigade)))))

The FSB will deal with you !! And the whole 201st brigade

And they are here, if that! Laughing .. hehe

[alone]

Quote: DEPARTMENT

Laughing .. hehe

I know ... They laugh at human stupidity .....

[DEPARTMENT]

Quote: lonely

Quote: DEPARTMENT

Laughing .. hehe

I know ... They laugh at human stupidity .....

Well, yes .. End of communication! You shouldn’t be so ...

[DOCTOR ZLO]

DEPARTMENT Well, yes .. End of communication! You shouldn’t be so ...

It struck a tear after such a video, Eun is resting, with his propaganda machine ...

[DOCTOR ZLO]

Quote: DEPARTMENT

Quote: siberalt

10 million Armenians live all over the world. If they all come together to Armenia, then Armenia will become Azerbaijan as a population

And Azerbaijan will join Armenia (201 Russian brigade)))))

What kind of 201 team?

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: DOCTOR ZLO

What kind of 201 team?

She is not a brigade. And not in Armenia

Quote: Anecdote

Yesterday in the Kremlin, General Secretary of the CPSU Central Committee, Comrade Leonid Ilyich Brezhnev, received the Ambassador of Uruguay ... for the Ambassador of Paraguay

Here it is about the same.

[DOCTOR ZLO]

Golovan Jack She is not a brigade. And not in Armenia

WB confused with the brigade, and Armenia with Tajikistan?

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: DOCTOR ZLO

WB confused with the brigade, and Armenia with Tajikistan?

Yes something like that

This is Meehan, and in the afternoon he sometimes wet such crusts.

[alone]

Quote: DOCTOR ZLO

WB confused with the brigade, and Armenia with Tajikistan?

Well, it's not so bad. Sometimes he writes such a thing here Mind shuts off automatically

[siberalt]

Unfortunately, only Orthodox can join Armenia. There it is at the subconscious level.

[DOCTOR ZLO]

Quote: siberalt

Unfortunately, only Orthodox can join Armenia. There it is at the subconscious level.

Since when did the Armenians become Orthodox?

[garnik]

301 since the birth of Christ. The Armenian Orthodox Apostolic Church. You are probably young, before you judge the people you need to eat a pound of salt with him.

[DOCTOR ZLO]

Quote: garnik

301 since the birth of Christ. The Armenian Orthodox Apostolic Church. You are probably young, before you judge the people you need to eat a pound of salt with him.

They have their own church, like, in periodicals I read, no ....?

The Armenian Apostolic Church (AAC) is one of the oldest Christian churches, having a number of significant features that distinguish it from both Byzantine Orthodoxy and Roman Catholicism. Refers to the ancient Eastern churches.

http://hram-troicy.prihod.ru/articles/view/id/114
2436
The article was written probably by an older man, you ..

[garnik]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIZBB-eESIk
Take a look. In church affairs, I am an ignoramus and read what all kinds of scribes write, do not respect myself, But I know for sure that the Armenian Apostolic Church is one of the areas of the Orthodox faith.

[DOCTOR ZLO]

garnik The Armenian Apostolic Church is one of the directions of the Orthodox faith.

I’m the same layman in this matter, it’s just someone wrote on the forum that the Armenians are not Orthodox, they have their own church ... an offshoot of the Christian ...

[Alikos]

Quote: DOCTOR ZLO

garnik The Armenian Apostolic Church is one of the directions of the Orthodox faith.

I’m the same layman in this matter, it’s just someone wrote on the forum that the Armenians are not Orthodox, they have their own church ... an offshoot of the Christian ...

If they have the head of the Catholicos Catholic Church, then what kind of Orthodoxy are we talking about?
Another Armenian HUCPA!

[garnik]

You should also see [media = http: // https: //youtu.be/VIZBB-eESIk]

[Alikos]

Quote: garnik

301 since the birth of Christ. The Armenian Orthodox Apostolic Church. You are probably young, before you judge the people you need to eat a pound of salt with him.

What shaitan are you baptized from left to right like Catholics?

[garnik]

(Greek καθολικός - “universal”),
Georgians also have a Catholicos. And what's the difference who and how is baptized. A wife in any church is baptized in Armenian, although she was baptized in the Russian Church. Yes, and Armenians are members of any church, including the Catholic.

[Seal]

Quote: garnik

301 year since the birth of Christ. Armenian Orthodox Apostolic Church.

Yeah, it became Orthodox in advance, so to speak, another 700 years before the separation of the churches into Catholic and Orthodox
Although all these figures “since 301” are the essence of historical fantasies that have no documentary evidence.

Quote: garnik

You are probably young, before you judge the people you need to eat a pound of salt with him.

That is, you forbid us a priori in our right to judge the Japanese, Koreans, Mexicans, and also the mass of peoples with which the Russian people practically do not intersect?

But what difference does it make, whether the opponent is young or old, is he a man or a woman, does he have a higher humanitarian education or technical, or even complete secondary education? And the main thing is whether the opponent is not a Jew (Turk, Azerbaijani, Negro, Eskimo). For some reason, it is these issues that occupy Armenians very much. It is as if something will change if the Armenian learns that the opponent is younger than him or vice versa, older.

[genisis]

Yeah, it became Orthodox in advance, so to speak, another 700 years before the separation of the churches into Catholic and Orthodox

The very first cathedral in 325 was Orthodox. By the way, the Russian Orthodox Church did not take part in any cathedral, did not lead any theological discussions, inherited its church tradition from the Greeks many hundreds of years later than Armenians, which, however, does not prevent it from considering itself the most Orthodox of all Orthodox.

[Seal]

Orthodox was the very first cathedral in 325

The fact that this has generally taken place is not confirmed by anything, not a single genuine documentary remains of that event. Not a single evidence of an eyewitness who wrote in his memoirs that "I was at that cathedral" is also absent.

The Russian Orthodox Church inherited its church tradition from the Greeks

And why are all the main church terms in the Russian Orthodox Church not Greek, but Latin?

[genisis]

The fact that this has generally taken place is not confirmed by anything, not a single genuine documentary remains of that event. Not a single evidence of an eyewitness who wrote in his memoirs that "I was at that cathedral" is also absent.

Besides you, someone from the servants of the Russian Orthodox Church refutes the holding of the 1st Ecumenical Council?
You can refute the presence of a brain in your head, because no one has seen it either.
Cathedral participants
Liturgical tradition fixed the number of participants in the Council as 318. The Holy King Constantine the Great in his speech to the Council expresses: "More than 300." St. Athanasius the Great, Pope Julius, Lucifer of Calabria speak of 300. A participant in the Council, St. Eustathius of Antioch, speaks of 270. Another participant, Eusebius of Caesarea, calls the figure "more than 250." In the manuscript lists that have reached us in Greek, Coptic, Syriac, Arabic and other languages, we find up to 220 names.
The protocols of this cathedral have not reached us. However, what was being discussed at this Council and its decisions are known quite well and in detail from the works and correspondence of its participants.
St. Athanasius the Great wrote a special letter entitled "On the Nicene Decrees" and a letter "To the Africans." Useful information is contained in the letters of Eustathius of Antioch, in the Life of Constantine by Eusebius of Caesarea. Similarly, from the history of Socrates and Theodorite. Later, already under the emperor Zeno (476-491), Gelasius of Kizic gives an experience of the whole "History" of the Council of Nicaea. This is a collection of legendary materials accumulated by the end of the XNUMXth century. All these materials in Russian translation are printed in "Acts of Ecumenical Councils" published by the Kazan Theological Academy.

And why are all the main church terms in the Russian Orthodox Church not Greek, but Latin?

This is not for me

[Seal]

The protocols of this cathedral did not reach us..

Exactly. Do not get it.

However, what was being discussed at this Council and its decisions are known quite well and in detail from the works and correspondence of its participants.
St. Athanasius the Great wrote a special letter entitled "On the Nicene Decrees" and a letter "To the Africans." Useful information is contained in the letters of Eustathius of Antioch, in the Life of Constantine by Eusebius of Caesarea. Similarly, from the history of Socrates and Theodorite.

The problem is that none of the above also survived in the original, or at least in the lifetime copy. Exclusively in works written no earlier than the 12th century AD.
So, if you believe in it, these are questions to your brain.

[Seal]

But the Orthodox, why join heretical Gregorians? Or you have the same thing

Yesterday in the Kremlin, General Secretary of the CPSU Central Committee, Comrade Leonid Ilyich Brezhnev, received the Ambassador of Uruguay ... for the Ambassador of Paraguay

Have you taken the Gregorian Armenians who deny the Holy Trinity as Orthodox Georgians?

[White Brut]

Quote: Seal

Gregorian heretics

Do you know that it was the Armenians who first adopted Christianity on this earth?

[Seal]

Oh really ? And what, this your (and many more) statement has documentary evidence?
So constantly, without any evidence (like the fact that Andranik was a "Russian general" or "general of the Russian service", and now "general of the Russian Army"), phrases from Armenians fly about the adoption of Christianity or that " The Armenians founded this monastery in the 4th century, when they proclaimed Christianity as the state religion. ” I have always been interested in what it means “they adopted Christianity as a state religion”? And even more so, "proclaimed." This, that means, once the Armenian shahshah Durandot-13 stood up, scratched his eggs and called the scribe. And he tells him. Sit down - write the Decree. Write: “To all my faithful Armenians. I, your terrible, great and mighty ruler of all Armenians, Durandot the Thirteenth, got up from his left foot today and realized that this is not how we live. Wrong we live, my loyal Armenians. And I realized that we all need to be baptized !!. Based on the foregoing, from next Monday I declare Christianity the state religion in our Armenian kingdom-state. And I command all my faithful Armenians to be baptized until Monday. Whoever doesn’t have time to be baptized by Monday, I’ll personally make an ax with my head. You know me - I don’t throw words into the wind. How, I said everything. Your Durandot 13th. Signature, day, month, year. ”.
And where is this glorious document: “On the adoption of Christianity in Armenia”?
About the walls of monasteries with Armenian letters carved on them in the 4th century AD.
No one is able to distinguish a stone-carved letter from the 14th century AD from a letter carved from the 4th century AD? Yes, you can’t even distinguish a letter carved in the 19th century from a letter carved in the 14th century. But the stones themselves (and clippings on them) have not yet learned how to date natural sciences (chemistry, physics).

[genisis]

This, that means, once the Armenian shahshah Durandot-13 stood up, scratched his eggs and called the scribe.

Do not believe it, but it was))
Only the king was called Trdat 1. The decree itself most likely did not survive. The event is described in more than detail in the “History of Armenia” by Agatangelos.
When in 2001 the Armenians celebrated the 1700th anniversary of the adoption of Christianity as the state religion, then the Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia Alexei II was also at the celebrations. At the festive liturgy there was no doubt about the value of the event.
Apparently he knew far less than Sergei Petrovich.

[Seal]

The event is described in more than detail in the “History of Armenia” by Agatangelos.

I can write any story myself. Other. For example, Bilbo Baggins wrote the fascinating Middle-earth History.
I once answered about the reliability of a character like Mesrop Mashtots. All the same applies to Aganathelos.

Armenians say “The modern alphabet of Armenians was created by Mesrop Mashtots in 406. And he was not the first .. "

Already funny. And what, the first alphabet did not like something? I wonder what exactly?

Now seriously. How can you confirm the reality of any historical person?

The best confirmation of the reality of a historical person is the totality of the availability of documents about the person, the availability of hand-written records of this historical person, the presence of direct and indirect evidence of contemporaries, the presence of direct descendants of the historical person, the presence of a genuine burial place (grave) of the historical person.

Which of these can be applied to Mesrop Mashtots?

1. Are his parents known? What were their names, their origin, where did they give birth to Mesrop Mashtots?
2. Have at least some contemporaries (neighbors, doctors, worshipers, official local authorities) survived with approximately the following text: “Yesterday I received a difficult birth. In such a house, such and such respected parents gave birth to their first (second, third, tenth) child. A boy was born. They called it Mesrop. For my work, grateful parents gave 10 gold coins. Name, Date ”.
Or “My friend (name of friend), tomorrow I can’t arrive at the meeting. Today is a happy event. The neighbors (full name of the parents of Mesrop) had a boy. They called it Mesrop. The neighbors are having a grand feast tomorrow. My presence is required. Sorry, let's reschedule the meeting for next week. Name, Date ”.
3. Is it known where the parents of Mesrop Mashtots are buried?
4. Did Mesrop Mashtots have children? When were you born? From whom ? Was he married (whom did he marry, the fate of his wife) or were the children illegitimate? The fate of the children? Have they been married? Did you get sick? When did they die and where are they buried? Have the graves of the children of Mesrop Mashtots been preserved?
5. Did the children of Mesrop Mashtots, in turn, have children? Their fate? Have the descendants of Mesrop Mashtots survived to this day?
6. Original records made by the hand of Mesrop Mashtots, where the term “alphabet” is mentioned, have been preserved. For example:
6.1. “Today, July 4, 404 from the Nativity of Christ, I, the sinful Mesrop Mashtots, decided to start creating the modern Armenian alphabet. Since the existing Armenian alphabet is complete shit and is no good. ”
6.2. “Dear Khan, this is it. I, Mesrop Mashtots, want to create a new Armenian alphabet for the needs of our state and in your honor. Please allocate 10 thousand gold coins for this. Name, date, signature. " Or something similar .
6.3. “Dear wife Susan, I hasten to inform you that I am still staying away from you in such a monastery, where I can’t finish writing this fucking Armenian alphabet. But nothing, there’s not much left, I’ll come up with another 15-20 squiggles - and I’ll come to you, my dear Susana, with big money, which I promised such and such (name, position) for creating the modern Armenian alphabet. Your husband Mesrop Mashtots date, signature. " Or something similar.

7. Have at least some genuine recordings made by the hand of Mesrop Mashtots survived. For example:
7.1. "Dear Parents. I hasten to inform you that they accepted me to serve in such a monastery. While working in the garden - I prune trees. But soon I will be allowed to ring the bell. Your son Mesrop Mashtots date, signature. " Or something similar ?
7.2. “Dear friend (name of friend). It arrived well, although the road was difficult and broken. We happily escaped robbers and robbers, so your package was handed over to such and such a safe person. He expresses you the greatest gratitude for the fact that you remember him. Your Mesrop Mashtots date, signature. ”. Or something similar.
8. Maybe there is such evidence:
8.1. “Friend Ashot. Do you remember Mesrop, who 40 years ago, in such a year, studied with us with such and such a teacher in such and such a year? He has now become a great man - he invented the modern Armenian alphabet. People are growing. Signature. Name, date ”Or something like that?
8.2. “My brother, the son of the sun and brother of the moon. At your request, I am sending you a certain writer Mesrop Mashtots. He recently composed the Armenian alphabet. Maybe he’ll compose something for you. Signature. Name, date !!! ” Or something similar.
8.3. Record in the monastery chronicle. “Yesterday (day, month, year) grief happened in our monastery (name) - our great Mesrop Mashtots fell ill. Father Rector ordered the whole monastery to pray for his recovery. Thank God - it helped and today Mesrop Mashtots feels good. " Or something similar.
8.4. Record in the monastery chronicle. “Yesterday (day, month, year) grief happened in our monastery (name). Our great Mesrop Mashtots, who recently fell ill, but thanks to our fervent prayers, recovered - everything died like that. The seal is great throughout the monastery. Father Abbot ordered messengers to be sent to all cities and villages to report such grief. We pray with the whole monastery for the repose of his soul. ” Or something similar.
8.5. Record in the monastery chronicle. “Yesterday (day, month, year) our great Mesrop Mashtots was buried. The coffin was installed in such a crypt. Again the whole monastery prayed for the repose of his soul. ” Or something similar.

In short, do you have at least something ??
1. Parents?
2. When and where was born?
3. When and where was baptized, who is the godfather?
4. Sick or not. If he was sick, then with what and who treated?
5. When and where did you study? Who is the teacher? Who are fellow practitioners?
6. Married or not?
7. Do you have children or not?
8. When did Mesrop's parents die and where are they buried?
9. When did Mesrop himself die, and where is he buried?
10. When did Mesrop's wife die (if she was) and where was she buried?
11. When did the children of Mesrop die (if any) and where are they buried?
12. At least someone in his memoirs left at least something about Mesrop (who grew up with him, studied, served in the army, served in a monastery ..)
13. At least some document of that time contains the phrase “Mesrop Mashtots”?
14. At least some private letter dated in the meantime contains the phrase “Mesrop Mashtots”?
15. Does any document or private letter of that time contain the phrase “children of Mesrop Mashtots”, “parents of Mesrop Mashtots”, “wife of Mesrop Mashtots”, “friends of Mesrop Mashtots”, “enemies of Mesrop Mashtots” or something similar?

But if there is none of the above, then at least you yell "UNESCO !!!, UNESCO !!!" , though "Sportloto !!! Sportloto !!! " - there is NO evidence of human reality.
And if you, despite the complete absence of any evidence from the above list, continue to insist on the reality of the personality of Mesrop Mashtots - you have a direct road to the hospital to them. Kashchenko :)

About the 1700th anniversary.

When in 2001, Armenians celebrated the 1700th anniversary of the adoption of Christianity

For God's sake. You can mark anything you want. At least 1700 years, at least 2700 years. And all religious leaders, of course, do not mind. For it has already been given in order. But not at all proven. But everything is according. For, as V.I. said Lenin - "Religion - Opium for the People." That is fantasy.

[genisis]

But everything is according. For, as V.I. said Lenin - "Religion - Opium for the People." That is fantasy.

Sergey Petrovich, you either “put on your underpants or take off the cross” (c)
You either stigmatize the Armenians that they do not recognize the Trinity as an expert in Orthodoxy, then suddenly you jump abruptly to the position of dialectical materialism.

[Seal]

You either stigmatize the Armenians that they do not recognize the Trinity as an expert in Orthodoxy, then suddenly you jump abruptly to the position of dialectical materialism.

Anyone who passed scientific communism as a state exam in Soviet times should have been savvy in all matters. In matters of religion, too.

[Alikos]

Quote: Brut

Quote: Seal

Gregorian heretics

Do you know that it was the Armenians who first adopted Christianity on this earth?

So what of the fact that the "first"?
There is no sense in this ... It is as if fraud has become less!
And in general, you are the “oldest.” Directly from ...

[genisis]

Gregorian Armenians who deny the Holy Trinity, mistaken for Orthodox Georgians?

About the Trinity, he himself came up with, who thought of Ali?
Is there anything to confirm? And then, on June 4, they celebrated Pentecost, but it turns out in vain, we do not support the Trinity. Sergei Petrovich told.

[Seal]

You are disguised here. In the AAC there is a lengthy Symbol of Faith, which sounds in the transmission of our clergymen as “one face, one appearance, and united in one nature”. That is, it is clearly seen that we are talking about one nature in Christ.
And Orthodoxy adheres to the symbol of two natures in Christ.

Confessing in Christ Jesus our Lord the two natures, the Divine and the human, we together confess that in Him there is one Person, that the two natures in Him are united in the one hypostasis of God the Word: for “we believe that the Son of God ... took upon Himself in his own "hypostasis of human flesh, conceived in the womb of the Virgin Mary from the Holy Spirit, and became human”

We read the "Word against the Armenian dread" by the Monk Maxim the Greek

The Armenian monstrosity, made up of various heresies, comprises the three most important and more other unholy and vile heresies. The first of them, and the worst of all, is that they philosophize that during the saving sufferings of the God of the Word, the impassive Deity suffered death, like humanity; the second, which claims that the humanized Word of God, after ascension to heaven, was combined with the Divine flesh accepted by Him from the pure blood of the Most Holy Mother of God; the third one incorrectly mixes two natures, not humanly mixed in Christ - human and Divine, which seem to have become one nature. These are their chief abominable heresies. But we Orthodox, what can we say against this? Do we agree with them that this is so? No way! May there never be such an ungodly and blasphemous thought about the one, essentially inherent, immortal and dispassionate nature of God and His immortality, which the godless demons themselves cannot tolerate and cannot say.

That is, in fact, you deny the Trinity. Although type and celebrate. Centennial habit of mimicry.

[White Brut]

Quote: Seal

And where is this glorious document: “On the adoption of Christianity in Armenia”?

And where is this glorious document: “On the adoption of Christianity in Russia”?

[Seal]

And where is this glorious document: “On the adoption of Christianity in Russia”?

One negation do you want to confirm another negation? Christianity in Russia was not introduced simultaneously, but it was a very long process. And to the end and not finished. For even at the end of the 19th century, the Holy Synod noted that many pagan holidays or forms of worship were not eliminated in the Empire. In Russian baths, for example, they never put icons. For the bathhouse was considered the habitat of Chur - the god of the guardian of the hearth. However, in order not to admit this, religion officials wrote that the bathhouse is supposedly a place of evil spirits in popular beliefs.
On the banners of our princes in the 13-15 centuries there were no crosses. And there was the Old Testament Holy Savior.

[genisis]

That is, in fact, you deny the Trinity. Although type and celebrate. Centennial habit of mimicry.

Bullshit of the mare. Those. mimic why? So that Sergey Petrovich or other Greek Orthodox do not swear? )))

[Seal]

Bullshit of the mare. Those. mimic why? So that Sergey Petrovich or other Greek Orthodox do not swear? )))

A certain Armenian priest Joseph promised the Russian emperor that during the service in Armenian churches they would glorify the name of the All-Russian Emperor and his family members in the same way as in the Russian Orthodox Church. For this, Paul the First recognized this priest as the most important Armenian hierarch. And only after almost 100 it was revealed that they did not mention in the Armenian churches, did not mention and did not intend to mention the Russian Tsar. And what's more, this is taught in schools. And an absolutely fair decision was made to close schools and take property from this lying church.
However, here you need more.

After the Russian-Turkish war, Loris-Melikov, who showed himself to be a worthless commander, breaking our forces into three columns, as a result of which our troops were besieged in Bayazet, and the other column was essentially idle, rose even higher, becoming a Member of the State Council ( February 11, 1880), Honorary Member of the Imperial Academy of Sciences (29.12.1880/XNUMX/XNUMX).

And in the last months of the reign of Emperor Alexander II, he served as Minister of Internal Affairs with expanded powers.
And it was during his leadership of the ministry that the head of state, Emperor Alexander II, was murdered in St. Petersburg in circumstances that indicated the absence of sufficient measures to protect the personal security of the emperor.
This is the opinion of both Chief Prosecutor Pobedonostsev and the opinion of the new Emperor Alexander III.

Therefore, the first thing that Alexander III did was to kick Loris-Melikov out with a filthy broom. In a letter dated April 30, 1881, Alexander III wrote to Pobedonostsev: “I received this morning a letter from Gr. Loris-Melikov, in which he asks for dismissal under the guise of illness. I answered him and accepted his request. <…> I saw yesterday gr. Loris-Melikov at the parade and then at breakfast at Oldenburgsky prospect, and although he did not say anything to me, it was evident from his face that he was very displeased and upset. "

But the truly Russian Tsar Alexander III was not limited to Loris-Melikov alone. He instructs the Minister of Internal Affairs Tolstoy to immediately take measures against Armenians and Armenian nationalism as a whole !!!
And by the end of the 1880s, almost all Armenians were fired from government posts in the Russian Empire.
In 1885, Armenian schools were closed; in 1889, the course of history and geography of Armenia was excluded from schooling.
No less cool for the Armenians took our Tsar Nicholas II. At first, in 1897-1899 laws were passed on the transfer of parish schools of Armenia to the Ministry of Education. And on June 12, 1903, the Regulation “On the Concentration of Property Management of the Armenian-Gregorian Church in Russia in the possession of government institutions” was adopted. According to it, all real estate (including profitable land) and capital belonging to the Armenian church and religious institutions passed into the jurisdiction of the state. True, this cannot be called a complete confiscation, since the share of their owner, the Armenian religious institutions, was allocated from the proceeds from the sale of confiscated property and cash. And only the First Russian Revolution of 1905, when we were already not up to the Armenians, made Nicholas II turn off this right path

[genisis]

Listen, Sergey Petrovich. We have read the Symbol of Faith in this form for many hundreds of years before the first Russian emperor, we have been reading it exactly one hundred years after the last. All this time we honor the Trinity, we celebrate the descent of the holy spirit on the 50th day. What should we mimic? So that some Greek Nestorian heretic does not anger? Especially now, when the Armenian Apostolic Church certainly does not depend on the mood of the Russian rulers.

[Seal]

We read the Symbol of Faith in this form for many hundreds of years before the first Russian emperor

Yes, you can convince yourself that at least 1000 years before the zero year on a scale from the birth of Christ. All the same, unproven. I told you that the Armenians have a huge problem.
Your problem is that you do not know what your archivists are talking about. And they say that ... yes, see for yourself. Just type “no Armenian scrolls manuscripts” in GUGLE and get the assurances of your archivists that: “Armenians have not been wrapped up as scrolls of manuscripts”. However, in the entire writing world, all documents up to the 17-18th century, that is, up to the invention of postal envelopes, were written on separate sheets, suggesting their subsequent wrapping in the form of a scroll and its sealing. Look at least the picture of John Trumbull “Signing the Declaration of Independence of the USA”, written in 1819 - even in this picture we see documents in the form of scrolls.
But Armenia is, well, apparently just a "unique" country, which in its "many thousand-year history" managed to do without written DOCUMENTS at all! But with a mass of "manuscript books" of religious content, textbooks, textbooks and so on. But in real life this does not happen! The whole history of Armenia is sucked from a finger. Well, so that you do not feel so offended - your neighbors, Azerbaijanis and Georgians, are also sucked out of your finger.

[genisis]

It would seem, and what does the Trinity have to do with it?

[Seal]

Now specifically in essence. That is about mimicry.
We open the Vardapet website. Section SYMBOL OF FAITH. Subsection: "What is the" Symbol of Faith "?". Read. Question

So knowing and accepting the “Creed” is a prerequisite for members of the Church?

Answer posted on the Vardapet website.

Unfortunately, some of the believers do not attach due importance to the “Symbol of Faith”, while others deviate from its correct perception. Therefore, it would be desirable to memorize the “Symbol of Faith”!

“We believe in the One God, in the Father Almighty, the Creator of heaven and earth, visible and invisible.
And in the One Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, born of God the Father, the Only Begotten, that is, from the essence of the Father. God from God, Light from Light, True God from true God, born, not created!
The same Himself from the nature of the Father, Which everything began to be, that in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible.
Which for the sake of us people, and for the sake of our salvation came down from heaven; embodied, humanized, was born in a perfect way from Mary the Holy Virgin, the Holy Spirit.
From which he took flesh, soul and mind, and everything that is in man is true, and not doubtful.
Suffered, crucified, buried, raised on the third day, ascended to heaven with the same body, sat at the right hand of the Father.
It will strike with the same body and in the glory of the Father to judge the living and the dead, whose kingdom there is no end!
We believe in the Holy Spirit - in the uncreated and the perfect. Who spoke in the law and in the prophets and in the gospels. Who descended on the Jordan, preached through the Apostles and settled in the Saints.
We believe in the One Only Universal and Apostolic Holy Church. "At one Baptism, at Repentance, atonement and forgiveness of sins."
In the Resurrection of the dead, in the Court of eternal souls and bodies; to the kingdom of heaven and to eternal life ”.

Well, where is there at least something about the Trinity? There is nothing. This symbol of faith is read during the Holy Sacraments of Baptism and Wedding, as well as during the Holy Liturgy and the Service of the Ninth Hour.
Read on. And then comes the interesting. It turns out. there are other creeds in the AAC.
Question

Do other “Symbols” exist in the Armenian Church?

The answer is Vardapet.

Yes. This is the “Apostolic Creed”, which, like the Nicene Creed, is read during the Holy Sacrament of Baptism:

“We believe in the Most Holy Trinity: in the Father, in the Son, and in the Holy Spirit. The Evangelism of Gabriel, the Birth of Christ, Baptism, Suffering, Crucifixion, Three-Day Burial, Resurrection, Divine Ascension, Sinking of the Right Hand of the Father, The Terrifying and Glorious Second Coming We Confess and Believe. ”

Further even more interesting. It turns out that another symbol of faith is used in the AAC.

And also there is another “Symbol of Faith” - “Confession of the Armenian Faith”, which is read during ordination to the priests ordained and every day at the beginning of the Night service (midnight),

In general - and yours, and ours, and the third .... and not the fact that this is the list of creeds used by the AAC. This willingness (ability, ability) to adapt to all is called the term "mimicry".

[genisis]

That is, this set of sentences that you write is proof that the Armenians deny the Trinity?
Then this is your assumption - a lie.

[Seal]

I showed you that the main symbol of faith in you is, so to speak, for internal use. There is no Trinity in it. And there are still spare creeds. Just in case. If you have to pretend to be Orthodox or Catholics. What's wrong ?

[genisis]

Sergey Petrovich, are you friends with your head at all?
Here is the Creed of the Russian Orthodox Church https://mospat.ru/archive/page/vera-i-zhizn/simvo
l-veri.html
Is there a Trinity?
You talk about something that you don’t understand at all.

[Seal]

Your problem is that you never consider the issue as a whole. You have already been told that they are beating not in the passport, but in the face.
So, the official creed is, so to speak, a passport. But a huge number of churches dedicated to the Trinity are attached to our passport. Just type “Trinity Church” in any search engine - and you will see thousands of churches with this name. And you have units, and even then only where you use your spare creed. That is, for example, in the USA.
Search for “Village of Trinity” or “Village of Trinity” - and you will probably see thousands of villages with the same name. Only churches and villages dedicated to Nikolai-Ugodnik (Nikolskoye) are found in the cup. Well, it was not for nothing that foreigners noted that in Russia the main God is Nicola.
That is, in our country the number of churches and villages dedicated to the Trinity really shows the significance of the Trinity for Orthodoxy.
And you, sorry, neither in your passport (basically, you have everything in foreign passports), nor in fact.

[genisis]

That is, in the Symbol of Faith of the Russian Orthodox Church there is no mention of the Trinity, which was discussed.
Once again you lied.
Several villages in Russia are called "Durakovo", and?

That is, in our country the number of churches and villages dedicated to the Trinity really shows the significance of the Trinity for Orthodoxy.

Speech, by the way, is not about the significance of the Trinity for Russian Orthodoxy, but about the fact that the Armenians deny the Trinity.
Pulling by your ears a large number of villages and villages is another recognition by you of your lies.

[siberalt]

Another Muslim genocide awaits Armenia without Russia. It seems that the author is pushing for that.

[Yarik76]

What nonsense journalists can write! I know a lot of Armenians - the process is going in the opposite direction!

[Gray brother]

Quote: Yarik76

I know a lot of Armenians - the process is going in the opposite direction!

I am not familiar with many, but of those whom I know, not one works for a salary)))
So, trade is usually small. But on a salary to sit - I do not know such.

And the fact that they are fleeing from Armenia is yes. In my village, in the Vladimir region, where there is nothing at all (a fierce bear angle), then the Armenians live.

[Yarik76]

Many work in road construction - these are peasants 'and girls hairdressers' old people stroking children.

[kotuk_ha_oxote]

The police got a lot for salaries. Slavic faces no longer be seen.

[Gray brother]

Quote: kotuk_ha_oxote

The police got a lot for salaries. Slavic faces no longer be seen.

And with us, every face is Seryozha. And where do you live?

[Seal]

First, asphalt is laid in the rain. Then they get a contract for patching ... and so on from year to year.

[Setrac]

Quote: Gray Brother

I am not familiar with many, but of those whom I know, not one works for a salary)))

"Tell me who your friend is and I will say who you are!"
You have a circle of communication that you yourself have chosen.

[Gray brother]

Quote: Setrac

You have a circle of communication that you yourself have chosen.

They are my neighbors))) I did not choose them.

[Setrac]

Quote: Gray Brother

They are my neighbors))) I did not choose them.

Controversial thesis! How did you get there?

[Gray brother]

Quote: Setrac

Controversial thesis! How did you get there?

"Where" is this where? An apartment building in Moscow or a village in the Vladimir region?
People live everywhere and communicate with each other, I also communicate.

[Setrac]

Quote: Gray Brother

"Where" is this where?

A toad is where you live now, but you came and chose a place to live.

[Gray brother]

Quote: Setrac

A toad is where you live now, but you came and chose a place to live.

Usually I got to Moscow - got out of my mother here, but bought a house in the village - I dump there to live in old age.

[Alikos]

Quote: Gray Brother

Quote: Yarik76

I know a lot of Armenians - the process is going in the opposite direction!

I am not familiar with many, but of those whom I know, not one works for a salary)))
So, trade is usually small. But on a salary to sit - I do not know such.

And the fact that they are fleeing from Armenia is yes. In my village, in the Vladimir region, where there is nothing at all (a fierce bear angle), then the Armenians live.

Therefore, they flee from Armenia, since they themselves plundered and destroyed all of it ....

[garnik]

Therefore they are fleeing from Armenia, since they themselves plundered and destroyed all of it.

You should not say so. Around me, about 10 enterprises of them 6 are Armenians, and these are jobs. For you personally this is bad, but for employees and workers this is the salary for which they can support their families. For you, 38% of the treasury of the Krasnodar Territory consists of taxes of local Armenians, although this is data 5 years ago, I can give a link.

[Seal]

For you, 38% of the treasury of the Krasnodar Territory consists of taxes of local Armenians

Exactly. But let's look a little deeper. In the Krasnodar Territory, as in any other, there are large federal enterprises that pay taxes there, as well as enterprises owned by Deripaska, Rotenberg, Potanin and others, which are clearly not Armenians. Oh yes, also the Tkachev Agricultural Complex. Well, so what comes out? But it turns out that if these large enterprises are thrown out, then the share of Armenians already accounts for over 90% of taxes from small enterprises. And this means that these same 90% of small enterprises in the province belong to the Armenians. With the number of Armenians in the region (officially) less than 6%.
Do not you think that this is somehow not quite right?

[SergeBS]

Quote: Gray Brother

And the fact that they are fleeing from Armenia is yes. In my village, in the Vladimir region, where there is nothing at all (a fierce bear angle), then the Armenians live.

Well, remember the Spaniards, who also live in the Vladimir region. And there are about the same number of them as Armenians. And sho?
Well, this, fellow countryman, if the Vladimir province is a “bear's corner” for you, then you did not see bears there, for example. Well, there are none.
And what is the "bear angle" - you have no idea. Take a walk to Siberia, where 500 miles are “neighbors”. And not 250 miles to the “non-rubber” one from the “bear’s corner” (Melenkovsky district, which is 90 km to N. Novgorod and 150 km to Vladimir).

[Gray brother]

Quote: SergeBS

Well, this, fellow countryman, if the Vladimir province is a "bear corner" for you

The province is large, there are different places - look at the map. And not 250 km, but 300)))

Well, remember the Spaniards, who ALSO live in the Vladimir region.

Why should I remember them, I have never seen them. But the fact that out of 15 people constantly living in the village, five Armenians - I saw it.

[SergeBS]

Quote: Gray Brother

Why should I remember them, I have never seen them.

As it was: "Have you seen a gopher? No. But he is."
But I saw the "Spanish gophers".
Therefore, the cries further that the Armenians saw, but the Spaniards (well, blacks in the Ministry of Internal Affairs for the company) did not see. These are YOUR problems with your selective vision.

[210ox]

Really? Will I, a citizen of Russia and a resident of the Kuban, now in Sochi not have to stumble over the representatives of this diaspora? Rather, the sky will fall to the ground before they leave the Kuban .. I do not try to incite ethnic hatred .. There are all among Russians and among Armenians. . But what the "Armenian radio" reported and what they felt bad here .. That's it.

[weksha50]

Quote: 210ox

Rather, the sky will fall to the ground before they move out of the Kuban ..

Hmm ... I tried to imagine how Armavir Armenians would rush to their "historical" homeland, and it became funny ...
And then, why is there such a far-fetched fact that the Armenians did not live well and live poorly both in the USSR and in Russia ???
As the saying goes: "Facts - to the studio !!!" ...

[210ox]

The most interesting thing is that the owners of guest houses along the coast from Yeysk to Adler (the poor and they do not pay on time .. the guests) try not to identify themselves with the Armenians .. They are all without exception .... Greeks.

Quote: weksha50

Quote: 210ox

Rather, the sky will fall to the ground before they move out of the Kuban ..

Hmm ... I tried to imagine how Armavir Armenians would rush to their "historical" homeland, and it became funny ...
And then, why is there such a far-fetched fact that the Armenians did not live well and live poorly both in the USSR and in Russia ???
As the saying goes: "Facts - to the studio !!!" ...

[K-612-O]

There actually were many Pontic Greeks

[siberalt]

Armenians have always associated themselves with the ancient Greeks. But not with the current, urtified, but with red, curly and green-eyed. In 1990, I met two of these in Karabakh. As with the ancient Armenian frescoes descended.

[Seal]

But not with the current, urtified, but with red, curly and green-eyed.

This is visible at a time when Greece was under the crusaders. So they were just red, curly and green-eyed. Take for example the Duchy of Athens. Its founder was the Burgundian knight Otton de la Roche. The rulers of Athens received the ducal title in 1260.
Dukes of the clans of La Roche and Brienne, 1204-1311
Otton de la Roche 1204-1225
Guido I 1225-1263
Jean I 1263-1280
Wilhelm I 1280-1286
Guido II 1287-1308
Walter II 1308-1311

In 1311, the duchy was conquered by an army of mercenaries, known in history as the Catalan Company. The leaders of the Catalans recognized the nominal dukes of Athens as members of the Sicilian branch of the Royal House of Aragon.

Aragonese House, 1312–1387
Manfred (infant Sicilian) 1312-1317
Wilhelm II (infant Sicilian) 1317-1338
Jean Randazzo 1338-1348
Frederic Randazzo (infant) 1348-1355
Frederick III (King of Sicily) 1355-1377
Mary (Herz. Athens and Naples) 1377-1381
Don Pedro IV (King of Aragon) 1381-1387

In 1387, Athens was captured by the ruler of Corinth Nerio Acchayuoli.
House of Achchayuoli, 1394 / 85-1458
Nerio I (Corinthian chestnut, owned by Athens since 1385) 1394 / 85-1402
Antonio I (ruler of Thebes, owned Athens since 1402) 1405 / 2-1435
Nerio II 1435-1439
Antonio II 1439-1441
Nerio II (secondary) 1441-1454
Francesco 1451-1454
Franco 1455-1458

Ottomans came. The last duke died.

[garnik]

Russian Armavir was founded by the Circassogai.

[Alikos]

Quote: garnik

Russian Armavir was founded by the Circassogai.

Founded Cherkessogai ...
Circassians have nothing to do with your Armenians (Gayam, Khayam)!
Remember that, guy

[garnik]

For your information in Tsarist Russia, Armenians and Circassogais were distinguished. And where I wrote that Circassians and Armenians are the same. I hurt you or you are from the black oil shores.?

[SergeBS]

Quote: garnik

For your information in Tsarist Russia, Armenians and Circassogais were distinguished.

With these tales - to Grandfather Frost. Just look at the census for 1906 and look for Circassogaevs there. Type - "Armenians - is, but heaps of others (such as the great nationality of the Circassogs)" - no: they are zero without a stick, therefore, it is not necessary to distinguish who are Circassogai and who are Gachekersa, they are all small-sized. "
“On the Fingers”: “the great Dzhigits of Dagestan, and others, with an“ enormous amount ”of as many as 1000 with a pontoon of“ fighters, ”they simply wrote in the small fingers.

[poquello]

Quote: 210ox

But what the "Armenian radio" reported and what they felt bad here ... That's it.

offended, offended - made to remove the sign "Hotel Armenia" from the view of the central square of the city

[210ox]

And we have an Armenian Arthur at work (everyone around him was called "Ara", by the way he is a very cheerful person and does not take offense) they forbade him to call him into the radio ... Only by name and patronymic ..

Quote: poquello

Quote: 210ox

But what the "Armenian radio" reported and what they felt bad here ... That's it.

offended, offended - made to remove the sign "Hotel Armenia" from the view of the central square of the city

[poquello]

Quote: 210ox

at the work of the Armenian Arthur (everyone around him was called "Ara", by the way he is a very cheerful person and does not take offense) he was forbidden to call him into the radio ... Only by name and patronymic ..

like that. the system ignored freedom of speech and freedom to receive information

[Yegorchik]

I think the Russians will not cry over the blamed Armenians.

[210ox]

And not only to Armenians .. However, these are dreams ..

Quote: Egorchik

I think the Russians will not cry over the blamed Armenians.

[Alikos]

Quote: Egorchik

I think the Russians will not cry over the blamed Armenians.

We will celebrate the month! Button accordions to tear ...

[creak]

Under the conditions of the sanctions on the Armenians, there was all hope, now if they leave, we will not be able to resist, Russia has disappeared ....

[gukoyan]

Yes, let them go back, what will we lose from this?
You think in the market others will sell watermelons and melons)
Now everywhere is not fun and difficult, but even more so in Armenia.

[kirgiz58]

Quote: gukoyan

You think in the market others will sell watermelons and melons)

With watermelons and melons, this is not the address (this is more in charge of sr. Asia and Azerbaijan). Already historically, the Armenians are more in construction (starting with scarabs on collective farms in the Soviet Union), repairs of state institutions, roads.

[weksha50]

Quote: kirgiz58

Armenians are more in construction (starting with sharashka on collective farms in the Soviet Union), repairs of state institutions, roads.

plus everything, like the Jews, they are excellent tailors-cutters and shoemakers-shoe-fashion designers ... In Soviet times, shoes were sewn to order - not worse than imported, but, most likely, better, as it was adapted to local conditions (in difference from Italian and Indian shoes) ...
In general, unlike many Caucasian peoples, THESE are hardworking ...
And the threats of leaving Russia - from whom do they come ??? From the one who hardly has the right from all Armenians to make any statements ...
Some Novodvorskaya NIAN wrote ... The office - writes ...

[siberalt]

Local people made sharashka (in the USSR), and Armenians or Moldavians rolled back half the cost of the estimate and disappeared after working in the vast expanses of the state. And do not la la. In criminal cases proven. For some reason now there are no such "sharashka". And there are children, nieces and other relatives. Under the late Gorbachev, these “Armenians,” as checked by the Soviets and with the same bosses, sawed together local budgets with them, and then they began to buy deputies and mayors. It is still like that in the Russian periphery.

[garnik]

Deputies and mayors are also Armenians?

[Seal]

They also had enough. Armenian apricots, Armenian grapes, Armenian cognac, Armenian busturma, now many Armenian wine, Armenian juices and Armenian jam went to Russia.
Although, you are absolutely right, the Armenians are able to stick to budget financing better than everyone else.

[Popovich]

Do not like the Armenians and Russia, let them go to Turkey - they love Armenians there (from a pose / last century).

[ultra]

for a long time did not laugh

[Metlik]

Do not pay salaries? But what about the television show "Putin Tidies Up." Does it really not help?

[Paranoid50]

Moreover, the material stated that the Armenian community in Russia is “the most unprotected”

Yes, yesterday’s topic. I wasn’t even too lazy, I followed the link to the Yerkramas website (Russian-language), this article hangs ... Well, how, article ... so, note, now it’s called “stuffing”. On the same page much more attention is paid to the upcoming Urartu festival.

Further, the observer of the Armenian media asks whether Armenia is “ready for a large flow of repatriates?”

There is another question - are the hypothetical "repatriates" in the know?

[Dym71]

Quote: Paranoid50

There is another question - are the hypothetical "repatriates" in the know?

But what of course in the course:

[Sergey Medvedev]

I don’t see anything wrong with the departure of Armenians to their homeland. The fact that Armenians live in Russia more than in Armenia is an abnormality for Armenia in the first place.

[weksha50]

Quote: Sergei Medvedev

there are more Armenians living in Russia than in Armenia; this is an abnormality for Armenia in the first place.

The city of Armavir of the Krasnodar Territory ... For centuries, the population for a quarter, if not a third, consisted of Armenians ... They even had their own church under the Soviet regime and, naturally, still have it ... And how many of them came from the very beginning of the events in Nagorno-Karabakh !!!

[SergeBS]

Quote: "

Quote: weksha50

The city of Armavir of the Krasnodar Territory ... From time immemorial, the population for a quarter, if not a third, consisted of Armenians ...

Oh trouble! That way, it still turns out that in the Kuban a quarter, or even a third of the inhabitants are Armenians.

[TRex]

Bullshit. "Quiet haven," you say ... Comrade Aliyev thinks differently, especially about Nagorno-Karabakh.
Can it still stay closer to Mother Russia, Armenian citizens?

[Silver fox_2]

let them take all the Armenians! I personally will give money for a ticket for one Armenian)

[VAZ2106]

thanks to the mutual support of the Armenians in Russia, not a bad life

[Setrac]

Quote: vazxnumx

thanks to the mutual support of the Armenians in Russia, not a bad life

All this nonsense is about mutual support. Most Armenians in Russia live not as diasporas, but as separate families.
Such “Armenians” speak Russian, think Russian, only genetics is left of the Armenians.

[Reserve buildbat]

So let them repatriate. Yes, quickly and in bulk. Let them steal only in Russia right away.

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: stock buildbat

So let them repatriate. Yes, quickly and in bulk. Let them steal only in Russia right away.

He himself understood that he desired? This is already a property.
Where the carcass is, there is the stomach (in the sense that I managed to swallow).

[Reserve buildbat]

Agreed) The stomach will be cut to avoid artifacts in the future) I’ll be happy to have surgery

[Egorovich]

Armenians are good people, but among the good people there will always be a geek who will claim that white is black.

[Vovan Petrov]

Quote: At the same time, the material stated that the Armenian community in Russia is “the most vulnerable”.
--- In fact, the most unprotected diaspora in Russia are Russians.

[APASUS]

What kind of nonsense?
It was not necessary to meet the Armenians at a construction site, but all the shalmans were filled with them. Shish kebab, restaurant, shop, market, and as a rule they work there as loaders

[xtur]

> Somehow I didn't have to meet Armenians at a construction site

in light of the turkey and turkey in recent years, you should have understood for a long time that everything that the Armenians could do in production and agriculture, the Russian Federation gave to the Turks, including construction, and the production of tomatoes, etc.

[APASUS]

Quote: xtur

in light of the turkey and turkey in recent years, you should have understood for a long time that everything that the Armenians could do in production and agriculture, the Russian Federation gave to the Turks, including construction, and the production of tomatoes, etc.

What nonsense are you trying to tell me here how you lived under the USSR?

Leading industries of the Armenian SSR:

machine-building and metalworking
chemical and petrochemical
light
gustatory
non-ferrous metallurgy
production of building materials

This is what other Armenians worked, maybe the Turks.

[AID.S]

Armenians working in Russia “stopped paying salaries on time”

Ruben Vardanyan sold “Three Dialogue”

The hard life of an Armenian guest worker. After all, things started selling to feed himself!

Armenia. Daniil Khachaturov, who is the owner of Rossgosstrakh, is trying to sell the company to Otkritie Bank. Whether he will move to Armenia is hard to say.

Yes, money from the sale may not be enough for a ticket.

[Retvizan 8]

Some kind of nonsense. Firstly, I hear the combination of the words "labor migrant from Armenia" for the first time, and secondly, I have never seen such a category. How many Armenians I know, they are mainly connected with business, and in principle everything is fine with them, they’ll get their hell back to Armenia!

[- = ANTRAX = -]

cheese is forbidden to resell, apparently.

[garnik]

The Lragir publication, Russophobic, is contained in American money. Like many media outlets in the post-Soviet space. "Friends" like to refer to these freaks to tickle the nerves of two fraternal peoples. For some, I don’t like the word "brotherly" in relation to our peoples, then read the story. I think the repatriation of Armenians to their homeland is what we need for the Armenians themselves.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: garnik

I think the repatriation of Armenians to their homeland is what we need for the Armenians themselves.

Duc, not only you think so. But, if the Armenians themselves thought so ... Of course, it’s much easier to live in Russia, and it’s not bad to live (and someone "stands like a complete dad" at all), periodically scolding the existing government in Armenia. Yes, here, in VO, some representatives of the Armenian diaspora have already driven round the ears about the "rotten regime of the Karabakh led by serzhikomsarkisyanom." And here’s another moment: the Armenians still won’t understand each other - which of them is “more Armenian”. Hardly a hundred years have passed since the people stood on the brink of annihilation, and let them dress up among themselves - Karabakh, Chaltyr, Nakhichevan .. Yes, and here Ryazan went to Vladimir, and vice versa, but so it’s clean water feudalism. So, comrades, until the Armenians get together, the mess will continue, regardless of the existence of their own state ... well, like the state .... so far we are seeing only a bazaar party under the Armenian flag. Yes, by the way, especially for the Armenians, one of the famous representatives of the people - Serge Tankyan with
the symbolic song "Bare Walls":

[garnik]

Perhaps they are right about the “regime”. Although you can find excuses. I started well at the time, but when I got to the helm I broke off. The main thing is that according to the precepts of Andranik (a Russian general of Armenian origin) he should follow, that is, be with Russia.
At the level of taxi drivers, you can hear anything, but the average statistical Armenian will tell you the opposite about the attitude of the Armenians towards each other. Had a rest in Sochi, stayed at the Sochi Armenian (Hamshen), it was pleasant to speak Russian, we don’t understand each other in Armenian. of this mini-hotel, in April 2016, was in Ar.tsakh.
Soon in Moscow there will be a concert with the participation of Armenian stars Charles Aznavour, Michel Legrand, Tankyan, etc.
Basically, Russian Armenians do not occupy jobs, they create them. Even I managed, a case forced.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: garnik

Soon in Moscow there will be a concert with the participation of Armenian stars Charles Aznavour, Michel Legrand, Tankyan, etc.

Yes, just this is the Urartu festival.

Quote: garnik

.Main so that according to the precepts of Andranik (a Russian general, of Armenian descent) he should follow, that is, be with Russia.

Duc, it seems, this does not suit certain circles.

Quote: garnik

Armenians do not occupy jobs; they create them. Even I managed, a case forced.

It was the case, back in the 90s, I crossed with the Armenian shoe makers, a small workshop in St. Petersburg. Quality - For the only time in my life, I was sewn to order shoes, and I have never regretted it.

[Seal]

(Russian general, Armenian descent) with

Oh, oh, oh, again this lies got out. If a marshal's uniform is put on some monkey, she will not become our marshal. Andranik was never not that general, he was not even the ensign of the Russian army.

[garnik]

January 23, 1918 received the title of Major General of the Russian Army.

[Seal]

Oh really ? And in your confirmation, as usual, "I swear to my mother, Andranik received the rank of Major General of the Russian Army on January 23, 1918 ???"
Or "Read on Wikipedia, it says that Andranik received the rank of Major General of the Russian Army on January 23, 1918" ???
And the number of the order on conferring the title of Andranik the general will not please?
And further. And who actually was entitled at the end of January 1918 to appropriate the rank of generals?
Let me remind you that on October 25 (November 7), 1917, a revolution took place in Russia.
On November 10, 1917, at a meeting of the All-Russian Central Executive Committee, it was adopted, November 11 approved by the Council of People's Commissars of the Republic, and November 12 signed by V.I. Lenin and Ya.M. Sverdlov published in the newspaper of the Provisional Workers 'and Peasants' Government a decree on the abolition of estates and civil ranks. "This decree also abolished ranks in the army.

“In a free army there can be no external forms that would indicate the power and superiority of some over others, obtained not on the basis of popular will. Therefore, the ranks and titles, the external differences in form, the very difference in the names of the officer and soldier are destroyed. In the appeal should be kept only the title of the post. There can be only two generally accepted forms of appeal: a citizen and a comrade (a citizen company commander, a citizen regiment commander, a platoon comrade, etc.). Introduced immediately. "

So, since the signing of this Decree, no one has the right to assign any titles to anyone. And even more so, Krylenko did not, who was from November 1917 to March 1918 the Supreme Commander-in-Chief and the Commissioner for Military Affairs.
So what are Armenian fantasies based on? And on the fact that there was supposedly a letter from one of our real generals (Major General Lebedinsky, who self-assumed the duties of the commander of the long-disintegrated Caucasian Front in connection with the departure in December 1917 of an unknown destination appointed by the commander of the Provisional Government, General Przhevalsky) to another general ( or even not to the general), in which he (Lebedinsky) writes that at this difficult time .... a certain Andranik worthy of being awarded the rank of general.
But any normal person understands that between the private opinion of one general expressed in a private letter stating that someone is worthy of being awarded the rank of general (by the way, it is not known which army, since Lebedinsky does not specify in the letter, but which army in question) - and the real appropriation of the rank of general - a huge distance.
And further. In January 1918, any daddy Angel could declare himself at least generalissimo. And take pictures in the appropriate uniform with ostrich feathers. And even buy paper appropriate. At the army clerk. For a bottle of moonshine.

[HAM]

Lately, various media (I believe under the general leadership from across the ocean) are trying to quarrel us with Belarusians, then with Tajiks, now with Armenians. The order, not otherwise ...

[silberwolf88]

There are a lot of question marks with Armenia ... for example, the opening by the Armenian president of a monument to a Nazi accomplice !!! ... these are all signs ... what should Armenia prepare for ??? ... towards a reorientation to EUROPE (and France has a very large diaspora) or to the USA (there are also many ethnic Armenians) ...
And as for the departure of the Armenians to their homeland ... it is unlikely to be ... for them, even for example, the Spitak earthquake was a factor that allowed them to populate the Moscow region (many vacation homes then became temporary accommodation centers) ... and never return home. ..

[parusnik]

If anyone noticed, it’s more about Armenians-businessmen .. I think that the Armenians representing business and living in the USA put pressure on the Armenian business diaspora in Russia to turn off their business .. Information leaked and Naira Ayrumyan was happy issued an article on the repatriation of Armenians from Russia ...

[Skif83]

B ... lin, you don’t spit in the TV, you’ll get into the Armenian!
We have all the modern directors and producers - Armenians!
Or were these "deprived" Alchena brothers meant:

Brothers Khachaturovs and Sarkisovs included in the rating of "All billionaires" of CEO magazine

? Or is Sergei Avakyan implied?
Or many loved ones

Brothers Armenians, you somehow calm down your zhurnalyug, and without them there is someone to stir up the water ...
Nobody offended you in Russia, but quite the contrary!

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Skif83

Or many loved ones

So, to complete the picture:

[Dmitriy]

And where does the clowns

[Holoy]

But you can’t say this in Sochi ...

[NyeMoNik70]

Well yes. Right now, they left everything and went to Armenia. Yeah.
Why this stuffing? This is really interesting.

[Professor]

The author of the material is columnist Naira Hayrumyan, who claims that the Armenians working in the Russian Federation “stopped paying their wages on time” and “they are thinking about leaving home.”

Not to their homeland, but to other countries where they regularly pay. In the homeland, I generally strained my work.

Wealthy Russian Armenians have long been preparing a haven for themselves in Armenia.

False. None of my classmates are going to return to Armenia. They are well in Russia.

[Vadim237]

Well, they still would not be well.

[Mavrikiy]

"they are thinking of leaving for their homeland."
Well, if I think about the mental abilities of Naira, then exactly matches?
When the borders were opened, the Jews of the cloud flew south. So what? The ranks thinned and "tops went thicker."
Only with the Armenians is more difficult. Armenia is not Israel. There are really 100 Armenians per 100 Armenians there. Who to shoe? All have slippers.
As they sat in Great Russia, they will be so. Loot then drips not real, like nowhere else in the world.

[Old26]

Quote: Logall

They can’t drive them out with sticks ...

Yes, not only Armavir. Other cities in the North Caucasus are exactly the same. And where do many of them “escape” if some of them settled in Russia at the beginning of the last century. Others fled from Azerbaijan during the famous events in Sumgait.
Many of them are engaged in small business. But the "sharks" are bigger - they are most likely running

[Altona]

Quote: Thrall

Custom article. Although Naira Hayrumyan is a noble Russophobia, what are only the names of her articles, such as: "I hate Russia."

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Since the 1990s, Armenians have settled here with us, you won’t be able to drive them out with your sticks. Recently, we shed Ararat, the largest restaurant in the city. And the motel "Sevan" stands in place of my kindergarten. Some nonsense. For Armenians Russia Klondike, Eldorado.
Do Armenians know that? What do they want to repatriate to their homeland.

[Altona]

Quote: parusnik

Information leaked and Naira Hayrumyan joyfully issued an article about the repatriation of Armenians from Russia ...

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In the USA, the Armenians will face quite a lot of competition from the Jews. So is it necessary to change the flea?

[Moskovit]

An article from a series in Russia began to eat hedgehogs. Why did so many people suddenly get outraged and start sending Armenians home because of a clearly provocative article? Representatives of some republics within the Russian Federation behave much worse than Armenians.

[Mountain shooter]

Is she raving? Armenians are holding on to their teeth. Rooted here by all means ...

[shura7782]

Armenian media: Armenia is preparing for a big repatriation from Russia
This news greatly alarms Armenians in Russia. It seems everything was quiet and HERE you need to go.

[Vadim237]

It’s like giving the news that “Ukraine is preparing for a great repatriation from Russia” - supposedly Ukraine is in the European Union - and by definition they cannot live badly.

[Berkut24]

Now we are waiting for an article about how badly Armenians live in the USA. And in the USA they live more than in Armenia itself. And something, they, too, are in no hurry to return to their historical homeland.

[gurzuf]

That's always the way, encouraging and only

[staviator]

Quote: Vladimir16

This is not about migrants from abroad. It's about those with whom we live together for centuries.

One Russified Armenian attracts another 10-20 relatives as a magnet. And then exponentially ....

[staviator]

- "Armenians, where do you live?"
-"Everywhere"
- "What about Armenia?"
-And there is our office.

[captain]

The Armenian lobby in Russia is the strongest; it can be compared to the Jewish one. We have Armenian Foreign Minister Lavrov, President of the Association of Russian Banks Tosunyan Garegin, Armenian, etc. And how many millionaires of Armenians are in Moscow ....... and other cities of Russia !!! Russia is a colony of Armenia.

[creak]

Head of HoldingRussia today"Margarita Simonyan also does not look like a Slav woman .... Most likely an Armenian, I think so ...

[Assyrian]

She is from Armavir (Krasnodar Territory). From a large respected family in the city. Our Armavir is named after the ancient capital of Armenia. By the way, Nikita Simonyan was born in Armavir and in my distant relationship with Margarita.

[Okolotochny]

That's right. Margarita Simonyan from the "greenhouse" (as many in the Kuban are called local Armenians, without malice, with humor). By the way, besides Armavir and the Coast, there is also the Absheron region, where there is a large Armenian diaspora. “Greenhouse” incidentally was not very relevant to the visiting Armenians. When they tried to speak with them in Armenian, the locals pointedly said that they would communicate in Russian. Local descendants of the workers by the way - drilling, forest.

[Alikos]

Quote: ranger

Head of HoldingRussia today"Margarita Simonyan also does not look like a Slav woman .... Most likely an Armenian, I think so ...

Simonyan? Nah!
Purely specifically German)))

[garnik]

She is an Sochi Armenian, I’m sure she won’t betray the interests of Russia, because Armenians have the same interests.

[garnik]

Born in Krasnodar.

[Seal]

Are we interested in taking Ararat from Turkey?

[garnik]

You are not interested, it is still with you (the Turks).

[Seal]

Oh, again, this eternal Armenian disease is to declare all who do not sing under the Armenian dudu - Turks or Azerbaijanis. Well, how many more Turks on this branch have you counted besides me?

[Alikos]

Quote: captain

The Armenian lobby in Russia is the strongest; it can be compared to the Jewish one. We have Armenian Foreign Minister Lavrov, President of the Association of Russian Banks Tosunyan Garegin, Armenian, etc. And how many millionaires of Armenians are in Moscow ....... and other cities of Russia !!

Therefore, most of the native Russians are in poverty, and the Russian Foreign Ministry is neither fish nor meat ...
Is there really no normal person for the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and not an empty lip-hat?

[garnik]

And you ask the Russians.

[Private not trained]

yes a feather, in a bottom for ease!

[mac789]

And I think that this is Rosgosstrakh’s eternal gimor with payments. Somewhere and always try to heat ...

[pyndos]

and now we live with it ...

[Black_Vatnik]

It smells like a cheap custom-made one. Very thick text.

[WapentakeLokki]

Well, the lady leaving the diligence really accelerates its progress, as they say ahead, and with the song, the Turks are waiting for you with shovels (and somewhere- = we will bury you in such quantities) already forgot what is a GENOCIDE well, not for long the music played for a short time frayer danced you will remember and where again you will rush and in Geyropu ali to America save us better better for nothing

[DOCTOR ZLO]

A good article, if there were more of them, you will look and the truth will all be dumped in Armenia and not only ....

[serriy]

the Armenians will leave. the Jews will leave. Georgians will leave.
who will manage Russia?

[DOCTOR ZLO]

Quote: serriy

the Armenians will leave. the Jews will leave. Georgians will leave.
who will manage Russia?

The most intelligent Jews stayed here, and the rest including - Armenians and Georgians "martyrs" still will not fall down ...

[serriy]

reassured. then it will be someone to steer the country. but how are we without them.

[Alikos]

Quote: serriy

the Armenians will leave. the Jews will leave. Georgians will leave.
who will manage Russia?

Get it faster !!

[vladimir.rom]

Yes, the lady deputy from the Armenian Duma directly told the truth, but I take her words in quotation marks.
She brings people with a big bag of money, she would have taken a simple peasant and a woman of Armenians, then they don’t think to go there, and the reason is completely different for them, they say they fear for their lives because they are on the border of many countries like Turkey. Yes, not everyone lives the same among them, and here Russia as a state does not have to do private business, well, they also do other types of labor and are engaged in secretive taxes. It all depends, as in our case with Russians, on a person from his grip on work and so on. Even two brothers. I know one hard worker and the other is not a stump, not a deck, and he has such a son. They buy summer cottages and build houses, and auto repair shops, yes, the deputy may again say in 2019 that Armenians are being oppressed, in 2019 a law on dachas for gardening non-commercial partnerships and ONTs is enacted, By virtue of the law goes on trade, even a grandmother from Russia wants to fill up its budget and if it sells on the road, it should apply for trade and pay a tax well, it will cost about 23000 or 32000 a year, so there’s nothing strange; the law is the law, the soda plots are given to garden and the Russian government went to meeting those people who come to Russia to live gave permission for registration. So Russia does not infringe on the rights of the Armenians, but a deputy from the Armenian Duma has touched upon the sanctions that we will also hold the Russians together, but she subtly says here that some have closed their business because it’s hard to work in these conditions, yes I understand it’s hard for everyone, and that Russia should they support the pants there is no business, there is business, it is for all one for the Russians what for the Armenians or for other people from other countries. Corsair grandfather Vovka.

[Naughty]

And when the Tajiks, Kyrgyz, Uzbeks, Ukrainians, Azerbaijanis, Moldovans begin to repatriate from Russia, Hurry already

[MaksoMelan]

I would say that it is necessary to conduct a review of such journalists by their idiologists and their proximity to the authorities. If possible, prevent such connections. And work in all countries. Not just CIS. And one would have to think whether it would be in Russia's interests to leave the matter like that? Maybe it is worth using the Russian Armenians to unite the army with Russia. In case of problems with Turkey within Russia, the Armenians will have more chances to seize Ararat. And the Armenians have some traditions of independence, which means organizers, military traditions were at one time considered to be martial warriors. But this is all a question for specialists. It’s just that the generation that studied in London and not in the USSR will go now and also want to put NATO bases. This awaits us in the future for the CIS countries. I’m afraid that Belarusians will be asked how, after the dad, who will sit down younger than the new generation

[Seal]

Maybe it is worth using the Russian Armenians to unite the army with Russia.

In the public interest, Russia does not need Azerbaijan, not Armenia. This is easily proved. So far there, in Transcaucasia, the conflict is smoldering, from which we are supposedly equidistant (but still a little closer to Armenia) Azerbaijan (seeing this and not hoping for our help in returning Karabakh) will inevitably drift towards Georgia, and therefore to NATO side. And thereby give the opportunity to Europe and the Ukrainians to build all sorts of intrigues, such as Chinese transit or deliveries of Turkmen gas to Ukraine and further to Europe. And the Armenians will constantly untwist us for money, under their high-profile songs that they are our only friend and ally in Transcaucasia. What is our national interest here? Constantly losing money directly (gifts from Armenia) and indirectly (the transit that was supposed to go through us goes by us)? Is this our state interest?
Let's imagine that Georgia is entering or has already joined NATO and see what is more dangerous for us: a) if Azerbaijan then joins NATO
b) if Armenia then joins NATO
Let's start with the last one.
If Armenia joins NATO (especially when Georgia is already a member of NATO), this will not affect the weather in any way. Well, we’ll just assume that somewhere in the back of Georgia, far from our border, another Georgian region will appear. Well, or if Georgia is not a member of NATO, then we can assume that Turkey’s NATO member has yet another area in the east. And that’s it. For us, the entry of Armenia into NATO does not create absolutely any problems. We do not have common borders with Armenia. But if Azerbaijan joins NATO, especially when Georgia is already a member of NATO, then look at the map. From Iran, we instantly become cut off. Communication is only by sea. And NATO ships will appear on the Caspian Sea. Moreover, having appeared on the Caspian Sea, NATO may begin to control that eastern side of the Caspian Sea. Do we need it? We urgently need to change the vector of politics from pro-Armenian to involving Azerbaijan in our orbit. If we tie Azerbaijan to ourselves, we thereby completely deprive our Central Asian "friends" and Kazakhstan of any illusions that they have the opportunity to pull their pipelines to Europe, bypassing Russia (or Azerbaijan tied to us). By tying Azerbaijan to us, we will cut the eggs of Ukraine and Georgia, which have already soaped with Turkmen gas, which goes through pipes along the bottom of the Caspian Sea to Azerbaijan, then to Georgia, and then along the bottom of the Black Sea to Ukraine and Europe.
But if Azerbaijan falls out of this chain, then to hell with it, not Turkmen or some other gas. And no "Chinese transit." There is no one to replace Azerbaijan. Armenia has no access to the Caspian Sea. And Armenia ... but to hell with us we need this Armenia, located in such a bum of the world that it is impossible to get into it from Russia by land without the consent of Azerbaijan or Georgia. And by the sea, it’s through Iran and there are another thousand miles, and all with mountains, mountains. It is to our advantage that Azerbaijan, with our help or with our connivance, regain Karabakh. Then our Azerbaijan is tight !! And only after that, when we will tightly bind Azerbaijan, only then will it be possible to gradually feed Armenia with weapons. So that Azerbaijan clearly understands that if it tries even a little bit to loosen the rope that ties it to Russia, then the Armenians may again begin to take Karabakh. Herein lies the interest of state Russia. Perhaps this is cynical. But for the country it is useful and bloodless. Enough, finally, to solve the problems of others by our Russian blood. And enough money too. It’s not enough.

[White Brut]

Quote: Seal

b) if Armenia then joins NATO
Let's start with the last one.
If Armenia joins NATO (especially when Georgia is already a member of NATO)

That will go to Europe not only Turkmen gas (Iran-Armenia-Georgia), but Iranian gas itself, and these are drop dead volumes.

Quote: Seal

So that Azerbaijan clearly understands that if it tries even a little bit to loosen the rope that ties it to Russia, then the Armenians may again begin to take Karabakh. Herein lies the interest of state Russia. Perhaps this is cynical.

Maybe it was in the 90s?

[Seal]

That will go to Europe not only Turkmen gas (Iran-Armenia-Georgia), but Iranian gas itself, and these are drop dead volumes.

Iran is a rogue country for Europe. And judging by the fact that Trump is strongly on the side of Israel, Iran will not soon begin to need a pipe. So far, there are enough tankers for transporting LNG. But Iran has access to the ocean. But Turkmenistan is a competitor to Iran. Iran is not going to let her into its ports. But there are no claims to Turkmenistan in the West.

Maybe it was in the 90s?

Yes in FIG. Although unlikely. If we helped Azerbaijan in the 1990s, then the map of Transcaucasia would be completely different.

[White Brut]

Quote: Seal

Iran is a rogue country for Europe.

Therefore, the sanctions lifted?

Quote: Seal

If we helped Azerbaijan in the 1990s

Did you forget Operation Ring?

[Seal]

Did you forget Operation Ring?

He was not interested in Transcaucasian affairs at that time.
Once again about Russia, Azerbaijan and Iran.

The main thing for Russia is the interests of Russia. And not Armenia. And not Azerbaijan. And their own interests. But the objective reality is that we need Azerbaijan, not Armenia. In conditions when Georgia has set its sights on NATO, we need to build and strengthen the Russia-Azerbaijan-Iran axis from our nose. Our three countries, bordering each other, cover the whole of Eurasia from the Arctic Ocean to the Indian Ocean. And no one can extend any gas pipeline or oil pipeline bypassing our countries to the West. We immediately completely exclude any illusions from our Central Asian and Kazakhstani partners that they will be able to pull their oil pipelines and gas pipelines to Europe, bypassing Russia (or Azerbaijan bound to us). Not a single locomotive or wagon our three countries from the East (from China, Korea) on the way to the West - will go round. Neither by land nor by sea (on ferries). And if we also close the airspace for the passage of aircraft of unfriendly countries, then the flights of civil aviation of unfriendly countries will also be covered. We also fly around horseradish !!!
But if we foolishly exchange Azerbaijan for Armenia, which is no better than Georgia, but unlike Georgia, which has access to the Black Sea, Armenia is in such an ass of the world that no one needs it at all and cannot influence anything - there will be problems .
Showing on fingers.
If Armenia joins NATO, then this will make us neither hot nor cold. We will just assume that the current NATO member of Turkey has slightly increased ass.
But if God forbid, after Georgia, Azerbaijan will be drawn into NATO, offended by our pro-Armenian position, this will be a HUGE problem for us. Then NATO ships may end up in the Caspian Sea. Large ships, of course, will not appear, but small ships can very well be delivered disassembled by rail or road and then assemble them in Baku. Just as the Germans did in 1941-1942, when Turkey blocked the straits into the Black Sea with German and Italian warships. And then they will establish normal assembly production in Baku or somewhere else so that they can also assemble destroyers. At present, nothing is impossible. It would be a desire and money. On fig us in the Caspian Sea NATO fleet?
And it’s better to give Armenia to the USA. Moreover, it is only in words with us, and in fact, has long been with the United States. The Armenian lobby in the US Congress is the second most powerful after the Israeli. In Armenia (and in Russia) there is practically no Armenian family that does not have relatives in the United States or in France. Therefore, Armenians in general should not be allowed to access any of our secret military or secret state documents. Not without reason during the USSR in questionnaires there was a point: "Do you have relatives abroad."
It is in Russia's national interests to help Azerbaijan regain Karabakh and thereby bind Azerbaijan to us. And then it will be possible to feed Armenia a little. Including weapons. So that Azerbaijan understands that if it only thinks of leaving us somewhere, the Armenians will again go to take Karabakh. Nothing personal. The state interests of Russia above all.

[genisis]

He was not interested in Transcaucasian affairs at that time.

Which does not cancel the fact of the operation "Ring"

[Seal]

So you can answer, what will you do if a state of war is declared between Russia and Armenia? Just do not need to immediately about the fact that this can not be, because it can never be. Until 08.08.2008, Georgians answered me the same way. What I say is nonsense and war between Russia and Georgia can not be, because it can never be. And who else, even in 2013, being in their right mind, could have assumed that already in 2014 the Ukrainian armed forces would fire at their own cities Donetsk and Lugansk from multiple launch rocket systems?

So, war between Russia and Armenia - your actions ??

[White Brut]

Quote: Seal

Once again about Russia, Azerbaijan and Iran.

In your opinion, Iran will not sell its gas to Europe because you so wanted? And Iran, along with Turkey, will be taken to the CSTO?

Quote: Seal

He was not interested in Transcaucasian affairs at that time.

and you know a story from the birth of Christ ...

[Seal]

And Iran, along with Turkey, will be taken to the CSTO?

Notice, I didn’t suggest it !! Everything can be !!

But you can answer, what will you do if a state of war is declared between Russia and Armenia? Just do not need to immediately about the fact that this can not be, because it can never be. Until 08.08.2008, Georgians answered me the same way. What I say is nonsense and war between Russia and Georgia can not be, because it can never be. And who else, even in 2013, being in their right mind, could have assumed that already in 2014 the Ukrainian armed forces would fire at their own cities Donetsk and Lugansk from multiple launch rocket systems?

So, war between Russia and Armenia - your actions ??

[White Brut]

You know, never before in the history of mankind had the strategic allies, which are Russia and Armenia at the moment, declared war on each other.
If this is not ordinary xenophobia or practicing "grants" from a neighboring republic, which, incidentally, is younger than my grandmother, then what is the meaningful burden of everything you wrote in this thread?

[Seal]

You know, never before in the history of mankind would there have been strategic allies,

Just as it was. June 22, 1941 does not say anything? Our last trainload of bread to Germany, to which we, as a strategic ally of Germany, sent a huge mass of not only food, but also strategic materials (chrome, nickel, molybdenum, etc., etc.), without which Germany could not to wage war, went to German territory three hours before the start of the German invasion.

what are Russia and Armenia at the moment,

It is only in your head. Armenia has nothing strategically important for us. First of all, you are not an ally at all, but a vacuum cleaner for pumping money out of us. Secondly, by virtue of its location, Armenia cannot act for anyone not only as a "strategic", but even as an "operational" ally. So, except that tactical.
If we really started to cut ourselves with the Slav brothers (Ukrainians) seriously, then sorry, you can’t even talk about you. You are not even second cousins ​​to us.

If this is not ordinary xenophobia or practicing "grants" from a neighboring republic, which, incidentally, is younger than my grandmother, then what is the meaningful burden of everything you wrote in this thread?

This is an objective analysis aimed at protecting the interests of my country in Russia !!!
I, like any Russian, would really not want to get shots in the back from some who have our passports, when perhaps Russia will have to conduct military operations against their countries.
Our Russians, even those with Ukrainian roots, are already chopping and will be chopping for Russia with Ukraine (especially since we have half of the country).
Having Baltic roots - they will also fight for Russia with the Baltic countries, since the Baltic nationalists have long left Russia.
Azerbaijanis - well, they will probably just scatter to third countries, and some will even fight in our ranks if a conflict with Azerbaijan begins.
More difficult with the Georgians. From them you can expect all sorts of tricks. BUT I’m sure that there will be Georgians who, if something happens, will liberate Tbilisi as part of our troops.
But you must admit that the situation with you is much worse (more dangerous for us) than with the Georgians.
And to promise, as I wrote above, from nothing is impossible.

... you don’t need immediately about the fact that this cannot be, because it can never be. Until 08.08.2008, Georgians answered me the same way. What I say is nonsense and war between Russia and Georgia can not be, because it can never be. And who else, even in 2013, being in their right mind, could have assumed that already in 2014 the Ukrainian armed forces would fire at their own cities Donetsk and Lugansk from multiple launch rocket systems?
So, war between Russia and Armenia - your actions ??

[SergeBS]

Quote: Seal

It is in Russia's national interests to help Azerbaijan regain Karabakh and thereby bind Azerbaijan to us.

In the public interest of Russia - to hang lyuley, that with that. To know who is in charge. As the Georgians hung on 08.08.08. And so as not to yell: "we are the most affected, and the bastard Ivan helps our original enemy."
“On the fingers”: either calm down with your “toughness” or grab “happiness”. like "super cool Georgia."

[garnik]

Well write, probably you are blogging and hanging noodles.
My view on the topic of a showdown between the Transcaucasian republics.
T.N. Anyway, Azerbaijan will go in the wake of Turkey, the NATO country, no matter whose Ar.tsah will be. Five years later, from a Shiite it will turn into a Sunni one, there are cases of the demolition of Shiite mosques, they even managed to rape a Shiite mullah in the isolation ward. Through you, the "arm" of Turkey will reach the Turkish-speaking regions of Russia (although they are already there). With the support of Turkey, these regions of Russia more and more they will demand independence, etc., although in Turkey there can be no talk of even autonomy.
My thoughts. Help Lezgins, Avars and Talysh in their quest for independence. Then control over the so-called. Russia will have an Azerbaijani oil and gas pipeline. And the borders between Dagestan and the so-called Azerbaijan will be locked, even tighter than the equipped border (there will be hostility) and that will impede the spread of separatism in the Turkic-speaking regions of Russia. This is short.
But Armenia experienced almost such a situation in 21 and was left without Ar.Tsakh and Nakhichevan with the help of Bolshevik Russia. Armenia hopes that this will not happen again, because of Russia's slurred (essentially anti-Armenian) policy, the Armenians are not giving up friendship with the United States.
In the entire history of the existence of two fraternal republics (let the people who wish the cataclysms be damned to the Russians), Armenia has never betrayed Russia. And you tell me about the metro, in which no one confessed and carried out the sentence within 5 days, this was the first time. Well, you need evidence, although you yourself do not provide.
Yes, happy holiday!

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T.N. Anyway, Azerbaijan will go in the wake of Turkey, the NATO country, no matter whose Ar.tsah will be.

When you write such things, do not forget to state that this is your personal opinion. But in my opinion, if Azerbaijan had 100% of our support, it would have broken with Turkey back in 1990.
And now it doesn’t even make sense to discuss your speculations, in whose wake Azerbaijan will go. For now, with us and Turkey, the path is becoming more and more the same. Soon we will accept Turkey in the CSTO. Instead of NATO :)) And we will drive Armenia out :))) Go to your beloved NATO.

In the entire history of the existence of two fraternal republics, Armenia has never betrayed Russia

Nonsense written. The whole history of the existence of two fraternal republics is from 1920 to 1991. During this period, Armenia twice made a trick. But not to us, Russia, but most likely to the USSR. Although both of these tricks, of course, negatively affected us.
The first trick is when, at the end of World War II, the Armenians convinced JV Stalin to put forward territorial claims against Turkey. Thus, we ourselves pushed away a faithful friend who really helped us during the Great Patriotic War and pushed him into the arms of England and the USA. With all the negative consequences for the USSR, and then Russia.
The second trick is when Armenia (and Georgia), together with the "fraternal Baltic republics" and no less fraternal Moldova refused to hold a referendum on its territory to preserve the USSR. As a result, the referendum took place and was, so to speak, “positive” mainly due to the votes of the republics of Central Asia and Azerbaijan. Yes, and of course due to the votes of our North Caucasian republics. But Moscow and Leningrad gave 50/50. Sverdlovsk region is even worse.

At the same time, a 50-50 vote in Moscow, Leningrad, the Volgograd Region and Primorsky Territory, as well as a vote of less than 50% for preserving the Union in their native B.N., sounded an alarming call for the Union Center. Yeltsin of the Sverdlovsk region. However, as subsequent events showed, this factor was not fully taken into account.

Next.

And yes, you tell us about the metro, in which no one confessed and within 5 days the sentence was carried out, this was the first time. Well, you need evidence, although you yourself do not provide.

No problems. He told and will tell more. There was more than enough evidence of the suspects. Read the case file. And the fact that the criminals did not confess is that more than half of the criminals are never created in anything.
The explosions were in January 1977. Caught the criminals in November 1977. A year and a half was a consequence. The trial was held from January 16 to January 20, 1979 under the chairmanship of a well-known lawyer, then still deputy chairman of the Supreme Court of the USSR, E. A. Smolentseva.
The verdict was announced on January 24, 1979. And on January 30, 1979 they carried out. But at the same time, the Presidium of the Supreme Council managed to reject the petition for clemency. This was not the first time. And what was the point of delaying the execution of the sentence? Wait until their remaining free accomplices take hostage a bus with schoolchildren or hijack a plane? After all, it was real then that the deep drilling office was not allowed to dig deep. According to the Politburo of the CPSU Central Committee, there can be no political terrorism in the country of victorious and developed socialism, especially on the eve of the Moscow Olympics.

But Armenia experienced almost such a situation in 21 and was left without Ar.Tsakh and Nakhichevan with the help of Bolshevik Russia

Read more often your last interstate agreement between still independent Armenia and Turkey. From the Armenian site about "genocide".

ALEXANDROPOLIC AGREEMENT 1920, signed between the delegations of the Republic of Armenia and Turkey on the night of December 2–3, at the end of the Alexandropol Conference in 1920. It was officially called the “Peace Treaty between Turkey and Armenia”. Consisted of 18 articles. According to Art. 1, the war between Armenia and Turkey was declared over. Art. 2 defined the borders between the Republic of Armenia and Turkey. The Kars region and the Surmalinsky district (over 20,7 thousand sq. Km) departed to Turkey, and the areas of Nakhichevan, Sharur and Shakhtakhti were declared temporarily under the protection of Turkey, where subsequently “a special administration will be established through a plebiscite” (The Great October Socialist Revolution and victory of the Soviet government in Armenia. Collection of documents, 1957, p. 438). However, the Armenian government was deprived of the right to intervene in the affairs of this administration, no matter what form it takes. Regions that departed to Turkey were recognized as having an “undeniable historical, ethnic and legal connection with Turkey” (ibid.), And such a wording (Article 3) made it unnecessary to conduct the envisaged (if the Republic of Armenia desired) plebiscite in these areas. Armenia was deprived of the right to introduce compulsory military service and maintain an army; she could have only a detachment of 1500 bayonets, with 8 guns and 20 machine guns (art. 4). Art. 5 of the Alexandropol Treaty provided political representatives or the Turkish envoy to Yerevan to conduct an inspection and investigation into the fulfillment of these conditions. In exchange, Turkey pledged to provide Armenia with “its armed assistance when external or internal danger so requires and when the Republic of Armenia makes this request” (ibid., P. 439). The Armenian government agreed to recognize the Sevres Peace Treaty of 1920 as annulled, it undertook to withdraw its delegations from Europe and America, as well as “to remove from government all persons who provoked and pursued imperialist tasks” (ibid., P. 440). According to Art. 13, the Government of Armenia recognized that all treaties that were concluded to the detriment of Turkey or affected its interests were canceled. Turkey gained the right to control the railways and other ways of communication of Armenia (Article 11). take military measures on the territory of Armenia (Article 12). The occupation by the Turkish troops of the territories that were recognized as part of Armenia under the agreement (Alexandropol Uyezd) could be terminated if Armenia fulfills all the conditions of the agreement (Article 17). This clause provided the Turks with the opportunity to extend the occupation of the county indefinitely, since it was always possible to find fault with incomplete or incorrect observance of one or another condition of the agreement. The remaining articles of the agreement concerned free transit (Article 11), the return of refugees to their places (Article 6), and the rights of the Muslim population of Armenia (Article 10). According to Art. 7, both parties “refused all claims for damages incurred during the World War” (ibid., P. 439)

And you with the past Knowledge Day !! Unfortunately, knowledge is just not enough for you. But speculation and fantasy - above the roof.

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Soon we will accept Turkey in the CSTO. Instead of NATO

Here I want to say:

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Unfortunately, knowledge is just not enough for you.

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Armenians do not refuse friendship with the USA.

Exactly. That is the whole essence of your duplicity.
Turkish Armenians got in trouble in 1915 because the Armenian elite, and its representatives were not in Turkey, but in Russia or Europe, since many of the Armenian elites in Turkey wanted to be part of Turkey, had the goal of forming their own state. These rich Armenians took advantage of the outbreak of the First World War and helped the Germans drag Turkey into the war on the German side, intending to enter Istanbul in a train of our troops two weeks later. And then, relying on the support of the United States, which, from their selfish interests since the end of the 19th century, have been promoting the right of nations to self-determination, the Armenian leadership was going to grab pieces of territories from “bloody tsarism” and Turkey defeated by Russia and form an independent state " Great Armenia. "
In short, with their provocations (sorties of armed gangs led by, as they would say now, the international terrorist Andarnik from the territory of the Russian Empire to the territory of the Ottoman Empire with the aim of killing Turkish soldiers, police officials and just Turks) for three months they helped the Germans drag in neutral Turkey war on the side of Germany. And they got their way. The Germans on the one hand and the Armenians on the other hand made it clear that a state of war was declared between Russia and Turkey at the very beginning of November 1914.
As a result, Russia got a war on two fronts !!!! This was not slow to affect our main (German) front, where we began to lose and retreat. Of course, we won on the Caucasian front, but the victorious march to Istanbul, about which the Dashnaks and the Hanachkists dreamed, did not work. Prolonged positional battles began, Armenians began to be evicted from the frontline zone ...
Well, it goes without saying that the war dragged on, our people were tired of the war, a revolutionary situation was created in the Russian Empire ....
After the war, Ludendorff said that if we had not been able to drag Turkey to our side, Germany would not have survived until 1916.

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In the public interest, Russia does not need Azerbaijan, not Armenia. This is easily proved. So far, there, in the Transcaucasus, the conflict is smoldering, from which we are supposedly equidistant (but still a little closer to Armenia) Azerbaijan (seeing this and not hoping for our help in returning Karabakh) will inevitably drift towards Georgia, and therefore to NATO side.

1. "The main power of the Caucasus," Georgia "got its own," and does not burp.
2. What the Russian Federation needs - neither Armenians nor Azerbaijanis know. They decide among themselves who is cooler, and in fact, the “bear with a balalaika” will decide who to write out the lyuley. Hint: the "proud Georgians" were excited about the "leadership in the Caucasus." On 08.08.08 they raked "healing cots." And Suddenly they found out - their "proud Georgian show-off - wherever they went, they went there." They got the stars for their great faith in the p.i.s. Dossky "hairy paw."