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Mattis's “secret cookies” to the “school truce” promise an “anthology of cauldrons”. Donbass "at the gate" big change!

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The complex of political clowning, mixed with the enormous human grief of the Russian population of Donbass, which has been observed over the past three years on the contact line between the young republics and reaching the “Square” pen, causes not so much the desire to conduct the next prognostic analysis as an endless rush of angry emotions based on the sense of injustice and understanding of the consequences that are expected after any conclusion with the Ukrainian side of any "bread" pseudo-surrogate and other nonsense out agreements with the participation of Kiev and European players. Unfortunately, the “big game” with its sanctions and geostrategic manipulations directed against Russia, partly economically dependent on the West, put the population of such cities of Donbass as Mariupol, Slavyansk, Kramatorsk, Artyomovsk, Konstantinovka, Volnovakha and Krasnoarmeysk, before the expectation of release corps of the militia will take a considerable period of time, and not so much because of the operational and tactical unavailability of the corps, but in connection with more serious geopolitical issues that require definitely time for permission.

It seems that this “frozen” stage has almost come to an end, just like the completely “Minsk agreements” with the “Norman format”, which Kiev has not fulfilled any of the points over the years. Many analytical and news resources for unknown reasons pinned great hopes on a meeting between Russian Presidential Aide Vladislav Surkov and US Special Representative for Ukraine Kurt Volker; and this despite the fact that literally a month ago, during a visit to the Donbass, Volker made it clear that Washington would continue to take an exclusively pro-Ukrainian position. Moreover, Walker is an ardent supporter of the continuation of Ukrainian aggression aimed at the destruction of the civilian population of Donbass, which was expressed in his initiative to provide new anti-tank weapons to Ukrainian military units. An extremely erroneous and short-sighted opinion on the significance of the Minsk meeting between Surkov and Volker on August 21 was expressed by Lugansk publicist and participant in the South of Russia expert initiative, Tikhon Goncharov. According to him, the further outcome of the conflict in the Donbass could depend on the consultations between senior diplomats. But as expected, the exact opposite happened.

Firstly, as many information specialists point out, the meeting was of an informational nature only: no results were achieved. Moreover, on the eve of the meeting, 20 of August 2017 of the year, at the direction of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, an local offensive "throw" of the 57 units of the separate motorized infantry brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the area of ​​the front-line settlement of Zhabunki (near Sand, in Donetsk Donetsk) was made. The defensive units of the NM DPR corps were put in a hopeless situation: once again they “wiped off”, having lost several thousand square meters of the territory conquered by blood on the western approaches to Donetsk, or to push the aggressor back to previous positions. The second option was chosen, after which a wide nomenclature of 120-mm min and 122- / 152-mm high-explosive fragmentation shells from D-30 howitzers, Hyacinth-B as well as ACS "Acacia" and "Carnation". This led to the destruction of many private houses and the death of the guard commander of the 3 th fire and rescue unit in Donetsk, the captain of the civil defense service Valery Vdovichenko. NM DPR gunners responded with powerful counter-battery fire to the suppression, which allowed them to calm the enemy, but only temporarily.


Battery 120-mm towed artillery 2B16 "Nona-K" of the Armed Forces of the DPR


Against the background of these reports from Novorossia, V. Surkov met with the subject who supported this aggression, supports and will continue to support. The statement of Vladislav Surkov on “mutual respect and interest” in the root of the Ukrainian problem can be considered nothing other than a diplomatic formality, because we have already seen the true face of Kurt Volcker. Consequently, no de-escalation movements should be expected in the bud. So what should we expect in the foreseeable future, when all the diplomatic loopholes for finding a compromise did not have the desired effect? Naturally, the continuation of the escalation steps, in which there is no more way back. The second step to exacerbate the situation ukry made 22 August 2017 of the year, on the eve of the August march of military units of the NATO member countries on Khreshchatyk 24 August on Independence Day "Square". So, the Ukrainian side has accused the units of 1-th AK NM NMDNR in the shelling of the settlement. Talakovka (a suburb of Mariupol) from the MLRS BM-21 “Grad” approximately in 20: 15. After exactly one hour, a so-called “response” was made from the same type of MLRS. The “dill” strike sector was chosen in a very original way: 10 NURSs tightly formed in the vicinity of Bezymenny, where the Joint Center for Control and Coordination of the Ceasefire is located. Russian and Ukrainian observers were forced to descend into the basement.

In reality, this was pure provocation: there was no shelling of Talakovka, which was confirmed by the population of the Ordzhonikidze, Eastern and Ilyichevsky districts of Mariupol; on the other hand, the eastern districts of Mariupol, proceeding towards Bezymenny, were clearly heard. Unfortunately, this time the Armed Forces of the DPR did not respond to the positions of the Ukrainian artillery, but this is only for the time being, because very soon it will be impossible not to respond. Military aggression from the side of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is expected, regardless of whether an agreement is reached on a cease-fire by September 1 or not. We also disappoint the percentage of readers who doubt that the OSCE works exclusively in favor of Kiev, and still hopes that this tricky gang with a very “chocolate” wage is neutral. In particular, after the Trudovskiy shelling from the positions of the Donbass battalion 20 on August 2017, correspondents of PolitNavigator and alarmed civilians tried to get the OSCE special mission objective and truthful coverage of the situation on the contact line, to which a predictable remark was made, “We didn’t you do not have to. " A logical question arises: why are the brazen observers of the Lugansk and Donetsk People's Republics, some of whom are also involved in transmitting to the Ukrainian side all the tactical information that they managed to “probe” in the republics. Dusk on the Donbass "blind, deaf and dumb" for a long time. From their side in the course of the forthcoming escalation there will be only unanimous support of the Ukrainian side.

As for the “night” quadrilateral telephone conference between the leaders of the “Norman Four” (V. Putin, Poroshenko, Merkel and Macron) held on August 22, there is literally no point in seeing its results. The agreed ceasefire for September 1 (called the “school truce” in Minsk) is only a short pause before major changes, which European leaders have little influence on, unlike the “big overseas patron” represented by the head of the Pentagon and other representatives of the Masonic Lodge. How many we remember similar arrangements for the last 3 of the year? List extremely difficult! The result is ultimately zero.

A truly impressive spectrum of military-political events is to be seen in the next couple of months around until the protracted conflict is impossible in the Donbass theater of operations. Firstly, this is a working visit to Kiev by US Secretary of Defense James Mattis, to whom 23 August was joined by Kurt Volker. Received a fully justified army nickname "Mad Dog", James Mattis skillfully uses it in his military-political activities. This applies above all to tough anti-Russian rhetoric: at the Brussels meeting of the defense ministers of NATO member states, he stated that it was necessary to speak with Russia only from a “position of strength”. The visit of Mattis, timed to Independence Day of Ukraine, was distinguished by a rather extensive agenda, which included meetings with representatives of the General Staff of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and illegally elected Defense Minister Stepan Poltorak, and a joint press approach with Poroshenko based on bilateral consultations between the military representatives of the states. For more than a week, many Ukrainian military experts and correspondents of central TV channels did not stop trumpeting on the “breakthrough” results of these consultations. Some of them relied on the possible achievement of an agreement on the provision of lethal weapons to Kiev, as which the inveterate pro-American “fennels” see the FGM-148 “Javelin” anti-tank missile system.

Others did not share such an optimistic point of view of the first, pointing only to the possibility of continuing the existing military-technical support in the form of the transfer of anti-battery radar artillery reconnaissance AN / TPQ-36 "Firefinder" and portable AN / TPQ-48, unmanned controlled vehicles of territorial intelligence RQ- 11 "Raven", M82A2 / 3 large-caliber rifles and PSRL-1 hand grenade launchers. Anyway, and whose point of view would not prevail, the material and technical assistance from the Pentagon will be continued or even increased. The statement by Mattis made during the August 24 briefing fully confirmed this. Information about the possible supply of ATGM "Jawellin" is already confirmed in the rhetoric of the head of the US military department, but is not disclosed. From this we draw the appropriate conclusion: Washington will give Kiev the technological opportunity to move on to an attempt to implement the plan, announced at the beginning of 2017, by the Minister of Internal Affairs of Ukraine Arsen Avakov. Recall that the notorious minister of the illegitimate government "Square" called on the border units of the National Guard of Ukraine (NSU) to prepare to seize the vacant border between LDNR and the Russian Federation before the end of this year. Later (in June of this year) advisor to the head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs Zoryan Shkiryak announced preparations for the “cleansing” of the republics.

Moreover, the command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on a regular basis receives integrated information about the tactical situation in the Donbass theater of military operations from the European command of the US Air Force. The main reconnaissance element in this case is the Global Radio and Optoelectronic Intelligence RQ-4A “Global Hawk” UAV with the call sign UAVGH000, which has been a very frequent guest in the airspace of Donbass for the past two years. Using an onboard AF / AN / ZPY-2 MP-RTIP radar operating in Synthetic Aperture Mode (SAR) at a frequency of the order of 10 GHz, the drone scans the surface of the LDNR territory to a depth of about 170 - 220 km (depending on the proximity of the flight path to the line contact) with the construction of the terrain and the classification of all visible units of armored vehicles and artillery buildings NM LDNR. Recall that in the last 2 of the month, UAVGH000 was seen only 25 km from Mariupol, and this indicates that the US Air Force attempted to get a “package” of optical-electronic reconnaissance information in the form of digital photographs of ultrahigh resolution (a smaller distance to the explored territory reduces the amount of atmospheric distortion for the integrated fiber optic SYERS-2C, which allows not only to classify, but also to identify small ground objects).

Meanwhile, knowing the operational and technical capabilities, motivation, moral and psychological level and combat experience of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, it is simply ridiculous to hear any statements from various representatives of the security forces of Ukraine.

Break through the anti-tank frontiers and “break through” through the artillery “barriers” of the DPR People’s Militia Corps in the Donetsk-Makeevka agglomeration area and on the Novoazovsk ONU with the APU even with 2 - 3 -fold numerical superiority in personnel and 1,5 - multiple superiority armored vehicles and artillery units. At the same time, there are less fortified boundaries of the Donetsk People's Republic. To them, without any reflection, can be attributed "Telmanovsky Isthmus" or Debaltsevo HE. The depth of the rear zone in the “Telmanovsky Isthmus” area reaches only 35 km, while at Debaltsevo HE the concentration of personnel and equipment remains at a satisfactory level. Here, “breakthroughs” are possible, but they will not be able to gain a foothold in the new ukry positions, since the defensive units from the Donetsk and Novoazovsk groups of the NM DPR will quickly arrive. The threat is that before such attempts at assault “throws” artillery preparations will occur, destroying the residential infrastructure of the settlements of Novorossia; and with this it is necessary to do something.

An asymmetrical response to such actions appeared at the end of 2014, when the militia then received the militia’s counter-battery 1L271 “Aistonok” counter-battery radar of the artillery reconnaissance. The return fire of the gunners of New Russia has become much more accurate. In particular, the determination of the coordinates of enemy mortar calculations along the ascending and descending branches of the mine trajectory occurs at a distance of 4 (for 82-mm min) and 7 km (for 120 mm min). The range of calculating the coordinates of mortars on the descending branch of the trajectory alone can be from 7 to 12 km, respectively, but the accuracy in this case decreases several times, since the mine manages to undergo meteorological impact. Judging by the reports for 15 and 17, the Aistens allowed to destroy the positions of Ukrainian mortars and artillery ten times faster and more efficiently. The best results were demonstrated at the Donetsk ON, where Ukrainian militants most often use heavy artillery against the defenders of the republics and the peaceful population. Judging by the information received in recent days, the need for active use of these radar systems may arise in the Armed Forces of the DPR very soon.


Portable radar artillery reconnaissance 1L271 "Aistonok" in Donetsk. The station is able to detect a tank-type target at a distance of 20 km (of course, when placed at the proper height)


Despite the next unpromising “school truce” planned with 00: 00 on August 25, the situation on the contact line continues to get complicated. Not only does the intelligence of the Ministry of Defense of the DPR record the transfer of additional artillery batteries and motorized infantry units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to various sectors of the Northern and Southern Fronts of Novorossia, changes in the camp of nationalist volunteer formations that are only partially subordinate to the current Ukrainian top also attract attention. Thus, 17 August 2017, the main military "backbone" of the nationalist regiment "Azov" operating on the new Azov and Telman directions, came under the command of the new militant, nicknamed "Radis", who replaced the ex-commander "Mose". The first commander of “Azov” and the people's deputy of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine Andrey Biletsky appointed “Radis”, who arrived for this purpose in the town of Urzuf, located in the 30 km west of Mariupol.

The commander of the group was not commented on, but at the time of his appointment, Biletsky noted that “the new commander will be able to win the war and liberate the Donbass”. We all know well that the leaders of Ukrainian do-it-yourselfers like to rush with loud statements, not supported by the technical capabilities of the groups, but they should not be underestimated. For example, the number of the Azov regiment can reach about 1200 - 1500 people of drugs; at the same time, the regiment is one of the components of the National Guard under and the Ministry of Internal Affairs, and therefore receives armored vehicles and small arms from the “common trough” supervised by Avakov. There are several dozen BTR-3 / 4, a similar number of armored Spartan and Cougar SUVs, 23-mm twin anti-aircraft gun ZU-23-2, a certain number of MBT and several dozen transported howitzers D-30 and mortars. Naturally, to oppose this arsenal to the nomenclature of weapons available to various units of the 1-th AK NM NM of the Ministry of Defense of the DPR simply does not make sense; but in some areas of the Mariupol operational direction (and under certain circumstances), even what Azov has can become a significant obstacle on the way to sweeping the environs of Volnovakhi or Mariupol with assault units of the DPR army. In any case, the above statements of the Azov’s leader indicate only readiness for a new stage of the conflict.

Not so long ago, the media focused on one of the main legal components of Minsk-2 - the law “On the special procedure for local self-government in certain areas of Donetsk and Lugansk regions” (also known as the law “On the special status of Donbass”), which was adopted September 16, 2014 and entered into force on October 18 of the same year. For the sovereignty and residents of the Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics, as well as in terms of the return of the republics occupied by Ukrainian military forces (Mariupol, Volnovakha, Slavyansk, etc.), this bill is as criminal as the destructive “Minsk Agreements”. The document provides for the phased reintegration of the republics of Novorossia into Ukraine, "under the deadly wing" of those who burned the Russian population of Donbass with rocket and barreled artillery, tactical ballistic missiles "Tochka-U", destroyed aviation Nurses and bombs. Over the past three years, this law has been the legal basis of the Minsk Agreements (it was for such a period of time that it was developed). And now, on September 16, 2017, the document expires from the moment of its signing, and on October 18 - from the moment of its entry into force. The Ukrainian side is not going to think about extending it, avoiding discussion of this issue both within the framework of Minsk and in the Norman format. Where it leads?

Firstly, to the complete loss of legal force of the “Minsk Agreements” for the Ukrainian side, since the abolition of the “special status” will turn the LDNR not into territories where elections are necessary and slow reintegration into “Square”, but into hostile bridgeheads that need to be cleared by force using tactics applied during Operation Storm (almost all Ukrainian radicals rave about it). In the context of the growing economic crisis in Ukraine, the deteriorating state of nuclear power plants, and the possible leakage of bacterial and viral infections from secret US laboratories, the current Kiev regime urgently needs a quick and effective diversion that would distract the population from primary problems. Without any hesitation and doubt, it is possible to attribute to it a large-scale and long-lasting escalation of the conflict in Donbass, which is more logical to continue with the simultaneous refusal to extend the law “On the special status of Donbass”. It is precisely to incite this conflict that Kiev today requested support from Washington.

As you already understood, despite the vivid reminders and. The Minister of Foreign Affairs of the DPR, Natalia Nikonorova, on the need to extend the aforementioned law, for Donbass, the termination of the legal background of the “Minsk format” will be a unique “carte blanche” for the use of the full range of responses to aggression from Kiev. And this range will no longer be limited only by a powerful counter-battery "gnawing" of artillery calculations by NM DPR, here we will see new counter-offensive operations, many small and large tactical "boilers" with the subsequent release of all Russian cities of Donbass and Northern Azov. “Zeroing” of the “Special Status” may become the most important autumn event in the continuation of the successful struggle for the “Russian world”, on which we have been relying for more than three years.

Information sources:
https://ria.ru/world/20170824/1501021572.html
http://www.politnavigator.net/mid-dnr-napomnil-kievu-pro-osobyjj-status-donbassa.html
http://korrespondent.net/ukraine/3878472-alternatyvy-zakonu-ob-osobom-statuse-donbassa-net-ekspert
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  1. siberalt
    siberalt 25 August 2017 07: 23
    +1
    The funeral of Minsk-2 is beneficial to everyone due to Kuev’s reluctance to not fulfill them. However, before October, much can change, both in Syria and outside Ukraine and the United States may be out of place and there, and they will have to change their strategy on the go. Will they be able to do this is a big question.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 25 August 2017 08: 11
      0
      Quote: siberalt
      The funeral of Minsk-2 is beneficial to everyone due to Kuev’s reluctance to not fulfill them.

      Why is everyone and why if Kiev is not profitable, then for us too? In addition to Minsk -2, there is also a UN resolution ...
    2. 210ox
      210ox 25 August 2017 08: 27
      +2
      Where does this confidence come from? October of this year .. They have been fighting for three years and maybe they will do it for another thirty years ... the USA cannot be out of work there .. They have already taken root there. It's not Vietnam where they got them only by force.
      Quote: siberalt
      The funeral of Minsk-2 is beneficial to everyone due to Kuev’s reluctance to not fulfill them. However, before October, much can change, both in Syria and outside Ukraine and the United States may be out of place and there, and they will have to change their strategy on the go. Will they be able to do this is a big question.
      1. Monarchist
        Monarchist 25 August 2017 13: 36
        +3
        210 OKV. I am also more than confident that things will not end in October: 1 if the Tournaments and Pan Pedro do not want to renew it does not mean that they will not be forced to extend it. Enough Frau Sorrow and a new frogling bark and there they will think
        2. The number of APUs is certainly higher than LDNR, but the militia today is not Strelkov’s militia in 2014 and they have an advantage in artillery (given by Yakov Kedmi), good artillerymen with ammunition and ..... the offensive will "stall".
        I think that such a war will be for a long time
        1. Nikolai Grek
          Nikolai Grek 25 August 2017 15: 52
          +9
          Quote: Monarchist
          Enough Frau Sorrow and a new frogling bark and there they will think

          it is doubtful that right now the fascists with the custodians have some weight !!!! wassat lol lol lol
      2. DenZ
        DenZ 25 August 2017 14: 13
        +2
        Quote: 210ox
        Where does such confidence come from? October of this year .. For three years they have been fighting and maybe they will do it for another thirty years ...

        I don’t have any confidence, but there are real prerequisites because if you carefully read the article, you can find the following there: "And now, on September 16, 2017, the document expires from the moment of its signing, and on October 18 - from the moment of its entry into force. The Ukrainian side is not going to think about extending it, avoiding discussion of this issue both within the framework of Minsk and in the Norman format. Where it leads?"
  2. tasha
    tasha 25 August 2017 07: 28
    +6
    Why not place stationary posts of OSCE observers with radar stations along the demarcation line and upload data to the Internet + cameras in real time. Probably do not need it to anyone ...
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    2. Fulcrumxnumx
      25 August 2017 09: 18
      +11
      Fulcrum29 Today, 09: 04 New
      Of course you do not need !!! The OSCE from the Donbass needs a nasty broom to drive to the bitter end over the APU !!! Especially after their demonstrative refusal to fix the shelling of Trudovsk 20 of August !!!

    3. rotmistr60
      rotmistr60 25 August 2017 10: 22
      +11
      OSCE observer posts with radar

      These "observers" are already actively cooperating with the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and you propose to legalize this and give them even more opportunities to collect data on the DNLR troops?
      1. tasha
        tasha 25 August 2017 12: 34
        0
        It can be volunteer observers from any peacekeeping organization. OSCE, UN, it doesn't matter ...
        1. DenZ
          DenZ 25 August 2017 14: 16
          +7
          Quote: tasha
          It can be volunteer observers from any peacekeeping organization. OSCE, UN, it doesn't matter ...

          It really does not matter who it will be from these organizations because all these representatives need to be kept away from the Donbass. There is nothing for them to do there !!!
          1. tasha
            tasha 25 August 2017 14: 49
            0
            Maybe. I am trying to suggest a way of separating the warring parties. Let at least automatic monitoring stations be. The main thing is that the information will be available to the world.
            1. Nikolai Grek
              Nikolai Grek 25 August 2017 15: 55
              +12
              Quote: tasha
              Maybe. I am trying to suggest a way of separating the warring parties. Let at least automatic monitoring stations be. The main thing is that the information will be available to the world.

              the only way to break up the parties is to destroy the hohloarmiya !!! good laughing laughing laughing
          2. Black sniper
            Black sniper 26 August 2017 14: 51
            +4
            Quote: DenZ
            Quote: tasha
            It can be volunteer observers from any peacekeeping organization. OSCE, UN, it doesn't matter ...

            It really does not matter who it will be from these organizations because all these representatives need to be kept away from the Donbass. There is nothing for them to do there !!!

            That's right, they are there for reconnaissance in favor of the APU. More than once caught with info for the APU.
  3. Tektor
    Tektor 25 August 2017 09: 09
    +8
    It would be nice to expose the OSCE mission to Natsik ... They deserve it ...
  4. mac789
    mac789 25 August 2017 10: 38
    +3
    5 - 6 mobile units. Formally, no one controlled. According to 300 - 400 people raid along ring routes in the rear of ATOshnikov. Let the Natsik drive. The front line of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will certainly not collapse (though with difficulty), but partisan territories are certainly forming there. In general, everything is according to Sidor Artemvich ... Mostly, the people in these units should be clearly aware that they are all potential suicide bombers ...
    1. AID.S
      AID.S 26 August 2017 10: 56
      +2
      Quote: mac789
      5 - 6 mobile units. Formally, no one controlled. For 300 - 400 people in the raid on the ring routes in the rear

      GSH nervously smokes ... laughing
      1. mac789
        mac789 26 August 2017 20: 31
        0
        Yes, the General Staff just forgot to ask ... But this is a funny thing. Basaevsky raid in Budennovsk could not stop the entire royal cavalry and the entire royal army. And if such units go to raid 5-6 at the same time? ...
        1. Normal ok
          Normal ok 27 August 2017 20: 30
          0
          Quote: mac789
          Basaevsky raid in Budennovsk could not stop the entire royal cavalry and the entire royal army. And if such detachments go to the raid 5-6 at the same time? ...

          These are not mountains, this is the steppe. There is a squad in 300-400 people - you can’t hide it anywhere. Great target.
          1. mac789
            mac789 27 August 2017 21: 04
            0
            Sorry, but you don’t do earthwork for an hour. There in Budennovsk a hefty mountain will have to be poured ... Well, so that Basayev’s detachment would be hidden behind it ...
    2. sabakina
      sabakina 26 August 2017 12: 02
      +5
      Kovpak in the 41st gathered 12 people. I'm afraid now, except for him and Rudny with his son, he will not collect anyone.
      1. mac789
        mac789 26 August 2017 20: 30
        0
        Why ... And more will collect ...
    3. Normal ok
      Normal ok 27 August 2017 20: 32
      0
      It’s not even stupid, it’s arch-silly.
    4. Normal ok
      Normal ok 27 August 2017 20: 33
      0
      Quote: mac789
      5 - 6 mobile units. Formally, no one controlled. According to 300 - 400 people raid along ring routes in the rear of ATOshnikov. Let the Natsik drive. The front line of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will certainly not collapse (though with difficulty), but partisan territories are certainly forming there. In general, everything is according to Sidor Artemvich ... Mostly, the people in these units should be clearly aware that they are all potential suicide bombers ...

      It’s not even stupid, it’s arch-silly.
      1. mac789
        mac789 27 August 2017 20: 56
        0
        An iron argument ... And in the word "arch-silly" do you pronounce the letter "r"? ... And where are your "bronevik" and the cap? :-))
    5. Dmitry Kuzhilney
      Dmitry Kuzhilney 28 August 2017 08: 53
      0
      For 300 - 400 people in a raid on ring routes in the rear of the ATO
      Remove from each digit by zero, and divide in half, Alexander Vasilievich. smile
      1. mac789
        mac789 28 August 2017 15: 40
        0
        Yes, at least two ... Only it wasn’t invented by me ... Vershigora had a similar opinion ... And how he used it ...
  5. Bob 57
    Bob 57 25 August 2017 11: 28
    +15
    Death to fascist acupants!
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  7. Monarchist
    Monarchist 25 August 2017 14: 15
    +3
    Quote: mac789
    5 - 6 mobile units. Formally, no one controlled. According to 300 - 400 people raid along ring routes in the rear of ATOshnikov. Let the Natsik drive. The front line of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will certainly not collapse (though with difficulty), but partisan territories are certainly forming there. In general, everything is according to Sidor Artemvich ... Mostly, the people in these units should be clearly aware that they are all potential suicide bombers ...

    In short, to be ideological, but ideological are few. Think of the 2014 1001 ultimatum of Donetsk miners: stop shelling, or else we’ll stop working and may take up arms, and there’s no further discussion. So, there’s no question of Kovpak’s new raid.
    You know, there is a rational element in your proposal: you can organize well-equipped mobile DRGs and "fun times" will begin
    1. mac789
      mac789 25 August 2017 19: 47
      +1
      There is no way without ideological ones. Nobody canceled charisma.
    2. mac789
      mac789 27 August 2017 02: 15
      0
      Oh, and by the way, here’s something else I remembered ... When the Prophetic Oleg came to Kiev and almost immediately declared to the local authorities, saying "You are not a prince, and not a princely family" ... Well, there were no ideological ones with him .. . No one.
  8. Monarchist
    Monarchist 25 August 2017 14: 30
    +3
    Quote: tasha
    It can be volunteer observers from any peacekeeping organization. OSCE, UN, it doesn't matter ...

    The OSCE is already there, and the benefits of them are like a goat's milk
    1. bald
      bald 26 August 2017 11: 11
      0
      Bite off a piece, so there are few of them. Without Russia, the DPR, the LPR will not jerk. Now, if the overseas people begin to deliver weapons, then war, but this is a bad option, though.
  9. VadimSt
    VadimSt 25 August 2017 17: 38
    +8
    All these "attempts" serve one thing - to delay the time when it will be necessary to really solve problems. Political decisions have no prospects, due to the conflicting interests of the parties! But, sooner or later, it is Russia that will have to make the main choice, and not only the fate of the Donbass, but also Russia itself depends on its choice! ISIS + in Syria is a potential terrorist threat for Russia, but, the discharge of Donbass is a real threat of war, on the threshold of Russia. No matter how hard they press, everyone who is not too lazy to make forecasts, after the surrender of the Donbass, Crimea will become the starting point and the main point of confrontation between the West, by urging Ukraine to the war against Russia.
  10. Music
    Music 26 August 2017 10: 52
    +1
    But you can really hope for a hurricane and a volcano. These factors can be a strong distraction! Not to Donbass will be if the Volcano wakes up!
  11. andrew xnumx
    andrew xnumx 26 August 2017 11: 09
    +1
    We need to find opportunities for additional protection of Donbass.
  12. victorrat
    victorrat 26 August 2017 11: 36
    +1
    I believe that the economy of the Ruins is analyzed seriously, despite the meetings of Surkov or the Norman Four. None of the main parties wants to rush things. Russia is waiting for something serious to start, and the West is preparing, like in Georgia, these stupid hhlov for war. The question is who more accurately calculated the moves and the development of the situation. After all, a smoldering conflict is costly. Apparently, nothing will change until the end of the 2019 year. And it is clear to everyone in the world who is in charge and who will decide. Will the EU have the patience to wait so long? What happens when Trump is thrown off? But even a fool understands that anal are not competitors to Putin.
    1. mac789
      mac789 26 August 2017 13: 30
      +3
      A poor beggar of his government is poorly suited for a defensive war, but great for a war of conquest (to solve their problems by robbing neighbors is as old as the world). Therefore, the worse the economy in Ukraine, the more its mobile reserve for attacking Russia. If someone thinks that the worse Ukrainians live, the sooner they will throw off their government, then he is very mistaken. Not for that, the West started and financed all this.
  13. Penzyac
    Penzyac 26 August 2017 13: 20
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    Quote: Music
    But you can really hope for a hurricane and a volcano. These factors can be a strong distraction! Not to Donbass will be if the Volcano wakes up!

    A hurricane does not roll, only a volcano, and preferably two and a couple of faults in addition.
    But then little will not seem to anyone, you will not recognize a new map of the world, although it may be for the better, the world needs cleansing and renewal, most importantly - if only not to zero ...
  14. Black sniper
    Black sniper 26 August 2017 15: 08
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    Quote: mac789
    5 - 6 mobile units. Formally, no one controlled. According to 300 - 400 people raid along ring routes in the rear of ATOshnikov. Let the Natsik drive. The front line of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will certainly not collapse (though with difficulty), but partisan territories are certainly forming there. In general, everything is according to Sidor Artemvich ... Mostly, the people in these units should be clearly aware that they are all potential suicide bombers ...

    And what a good idea, plus local civilians with Molotov cocktails!
  15. mann-mann
    mann-mann 26 August 2017 15: 52
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    It will turn out as usual that the Russian people of Donbass should and will suffer, and that in the Kremlin they will take a wait-and-see attitude and wait until the threat faces all of Russia! How tired and painful it is to look that again the Russian people must endure grief and suffering because the leadership is afraid to make strategic decisions so as not to anger the West!
    1. ellada
      ellada 26 August 2017 16: 46
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      And they are just waiting for the Kremlin to get involved. No! This should not be! The Kremlin must not succumb to provocations! They are already yelling that Russia has unleashed a war and is fighting on the territory of Ukraine. Help, YES, but don't get involved.
  16. German Titov
    German Titov 26 August 2017 18: 12
    +1
    Believe me, all these "flashy headlines are just that ..... it is." Honestly, I’m not waiting for peace in the near future (we are not waiting). Today is Donetsk City Day! Tomorrow is Miner's Day! At my age, I can show how "lava gives landing." I’m "at home something."
    1. German Titov
      German Titov 26 August 2017 18: 43
      +2
      Question to the moderator. How and whom did I offend? From what "crossfire" does a window pop up about insulting authors on my page? I "even say cockroaches, sorry." Too "tolerant", so advertise "second hand". I did not insult either the “thought” or the word of the author. He said his opinion. My "thinking", "sho You are fighting for the tender" Antonina Gerashchenko. With great respect to the site participants, with a special opinion to the moderator.
  17. RoTTor
    RoTTor 26 August 2017 20: 42
    +1
    Pogonyalovo at this retired and obviously sick Amerov general is evil and foul. It is never honorable and hardly testifying to a great mind and authority among subordinates, colleagues and journalists. Really Ukrainian. patriots, aspirating and reverently pronouncing it like a mantra, do not even understand this? And this sick dog does not accept this decision, but can only recommend it. Given the explosion a hundred meters from the AP, and other impressions of how to write, this is a test for his mental health and the adequacy of perception.
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  19. Santor
    Santor 27 August 2017 00: 03
    +6
    Make a fool pray to God and he will break his forehead ... I heard a ringing but I don’t know where he is ... This is approximately the content of this post, based on rumors and data from social networks.

    What offensive? Than??? What forces and means? It’s bloody no strength to read this anymore .... But what kind of photos do not need the author -> author -> the author squeezed ... What kind of attacks are dill? As an example .... Babah !!!! All social networks are "bloodied" - pray, the battle is on, dill is being stormed (shelled, poop, fart - choose any) ... And the posts went - you and I, hold on and so on .... I’m calling a friend who’s not a small post the armed forces of one of the republics ... How are you? In response - bewilderment ... Why what? silence and tranquility ... But your battle is going on .... What a fight in the ass, a comrade breaks down, I just got out of there, the high school students did not change, all the same, today they played oil on volleyball, ours made them ... . How do I ask volleyball ????? And so ... as soon as the rotation takes place, the first time they sometimes pry until the horns are broken off, then we grind, and so on until their rotation passes. But there are those who immediately make contact - we don’t shoot men and you are the same. Why not go for such an offer ....
    And in fb bursts of tears burnt, huts burned and stacked the bodies of a peacekeeper ... And they heaved up our arms - until we put up with the offensive .. offensive .... Provocateurs are bad ....
    What an ass offensive when the entire foreground is professionally mined there, the fortifications are built of reinforced concrete, there must be at least 500 kg of high-explosive mines.

    Three lines of defense, 90 000 personnel in 75 BTGR, 432 tanks, up to 2085 BBM, RZSO - 206, about 2000 barrels plus almost one and a half thousand air defense systems ...

    The operational reserve is approximately 21 BTGR, 16108 personnel, 161 tank, 490 BBM, 263 artstvol, 92 RZSO, and even more than 500 air defense and combat equipment. This is in reserve.

    Plus about 45 combat aircraft, 9 Mi-8 and 8 Mi-24 helicopters, plus special forces - about 60 DRG from 3 and 8 regiments of Special Forces and 73 and 140 Special Forces. And about 19 battle boats at sea.

    With reserves there are almost 100 000 personnel against 30 thousands in both buildings. Who is going to attack there?

  20. Normal ok
    Normal ok 27 August 2017 20: 24
    +1
    put the population of such cities of Donbass as Mariupol, Slavyansk, Kramatorsk, Artyomovsk, Konstantinovka, Volnovakha and Krasnoarmeysk, before the fact that waiting for release people's police corps will take a considerable period of time

    Was recently in Mariupol. Talked with people. Most already deeply violet who controls them. They say: if only there were no military operations. So what about "waiting for release" - overkill.
    1. mac789
      mac789 28 August 2017 15: 42
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      By the way, what did you do in Mariupol?
  21. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 29 August 2017 09: 42
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    All the same, we live in an “amazing” time: right June of the 1941 of the year!
    Everyone knows that there will be a war, everyone is preparing for it ... Ukrainian-Nazi troops are direct provocations. The United States and satellites in every way prepare and set Poroshenko-Hitler into war in the East ...
    And we? We are waiting...
    We are waiting for a blow to run to Moscow?
    I am not kidding. Ukro-Nazis have distant plans. The Russian border may not stop them.
    What? In Rostov-on-Don in the underpants will the Rosgvardeytsy jump from the windows?
    Some may say, if then ... then we turn around .. uh, "If tomorrow is war, if the enemy attacks ..."! It was already like that. "Turned around" once ... well, at least not up to the Urals draped.
    Putin, in your mouth a liver, war on the nose ... wake up!
    Medvedev with iPod and Chubais with Gref are bad advisers. The Nazis will not touch them ... they may even be left in their posts and awarded with the Malchish bad guys medals.
    Would we stand a day, but a night hold out?
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 29 August 2017 09: 45
      +8
      Quote: kunstkammer
      I am not kidding. Ukro-Nazis have distant plans. Russian border may not stop them

      Do you know the joke about the elephant?
      He is zyist ... yes hto give him...

      That's the same here. Or are you getting paid for panic attacks? In this case - in vain they pay, unconvincing ... work wink
      1. Svarog51
        Svarog51 29 August 2017 14: 07
        +5
        Roman, I welcome you hi Sorry for the curiosity, but now I look at your profile picture and I am "gnawing vague doubts." Once I had to read the "verbal portrait" of a similar dog. True, the dog’s tail is not visible on your profile picture, but it painfully matches the description. Here it is

        If it does not bother you, develop my doubts - is he or not?
  22. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 29 August 2017 10: 00
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    Quote: Santor
    Who is going to attack there?

    Yes .. yes .. Do not succumb to provocations ... We will throw their hats .. The armor is strong and our tanks are fast .. Stalin's falcons will throw the enemy to the ground!
    Provocateurs in special departments and on the ribs, on the ribs ...
  23. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 29 August 2017 10: 05
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    Quote: Golovan Jack
    panic guidance?

    No panic !!! All is well, beautiful marquise! Continue to enjoy your wonderful vacation. By the way, where are you? Is it far from a burning manor?
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 29 August 2017 10: 16
      +8
      Quote: kunstkammer
      By the way, where are you? Is it far from a burning manor?

      I don’t know where you have it or what’s burning there (I suspect where ... and it’s for you ... but I’m so reluctant to ban it right away).

      I'm at work. While the calm, I’m reading here ... all kinds of garbage laughing

      And you are still trying to induce panic, do not unlock ... that's just a bad thing so far.

      Improve and reward you yes