Russian Defense Ministry Announces Purchase of Terminator BMPT

The Russian army for the first time will purchase support combat vehicles tanks (BMPT) The Terminator and the upgraded BMP-3 with the Epoch combat module, Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov said on Thursday during the signing of the agreements.

For the first time, the Defense Ministry will receive Terminator tank support vehicles and upgraded BMP-3 with the Epoch combat module

- said Borisov, opening the ceremony of signing state contracts at the Army-2017 forum, RIA News.

Also, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation and Uralvagonzavod have signed contracts for the supply of new T-90M tanks. In addition, Uralvagonzavod (UVZ) will have to carry out major repairs with the modernization of the T-72B, T-80BV and T-90 tanks.

The documents were signed by Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov and the head of the UVZ Alexander Potapov. The total amount of contracts exceeds 24 billion rubles.

The modern model of the BMPT-72 “Terminator-2” is made on the T-72 chassis and is first shown in the 2013 year. The 44 ton vehicle is armed with two 30-2 42-mm automatic guns, a PCT 7,62-mm machine gun, as well as four launch containers for the 9М120 family of missiles (the “Attack” complex), and two automatic 30-one-of-one-one-of-one-hundred-one-of-one-hundred X-machine guns of 17МXNUMX (Attack) complex of two automatic XNUMX-one-of-one-hundred-one-of-one-hundred X-machine guns of XNUMXXXNUMX X-series machine guns (X-series).

Russian military BMPT has not previously purchased. The machine is limited to export (10 units bought by the army of Kazakhstan).

Epoch is a promising uninhabited combat module, demonstrated in the exposition of the Army-2017 forum. It includes the 57-mm low-level automatic ballistic gun LShO-57 and the Kornet anti-tank missile system, as well as the promising Bulat complex with small-sized guided missiles designed to hit enemy firefighters and light combat vehicles.

Comments

[Alexey-74]

The process has begun !!! New equipment in the arsenal of Russia. I am personally pleased.

[bouncyhunter]

Definitely good news, join in!

[aszzz888]

Pasha, hello!
Toward the close of the first half of the year, and the beginning of the second, good news began to appear.

[bouncyhunter]

According to Terminator, many have been waiting for this news for a long time - and now they wait, Seryoga

[aszzz888]

... the car is needed, so they waited ...

[ProkletyiPirat]

only now it is not clear to whom and why it is "needed".

[venik]

Quote: ProkletyiPirat

only now it is not clear to whom and why it is "needed".

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Well, "pi ratam", especially the "damned" - just do not need ..... As well as the "Sofa Experts" ..... But actually the Army - NEED !!!!!

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: venik

As well as the "Sofa Experts".

You would be a wonder expert to wonder why this car is criticized.

[ProkletyiPirat]

Quote: venik

Quote: ProkletyiPirat

only now it is not clear to whom and why it is "needed".

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Well, "pi ratam", especially the "damned" - just do not need ..... As well as the "Sofa Experts" ..... But actually the Army - NEED !!!!!

Well then, it will be easy for the “expert” to describe a theoretically possible combat situation where exactly the “BMPT terminator” will allow the combat mission to be completed.

[aws4]

I understand that in our army they thought the same way and did not see the application, but some time ago a similar machine turned out to be in Syria and obviously just to see and evaluate it in real hostilities ... we see it, we decided to buy it, I don’t think that it’s just a coincidence ...

[ProkletyiPirat]

I think here the sellers simply sold and / or bribed someone, well, or they tampered the results by setting the terminator "very necessary", at least there are a couple of options how this could be implemented. For example, to show that tanks are not effective against shushpanzery, gantraks, and jihad mobiles. not to mention the infantry in Syria (dense buildings or open terrain without greenery). And already under all this to paint a "miracle weapon" in the form of a terminator. Although at the same time, if you modify the T72 by giving them a 30mm cannon and an AGS, you can completely close the flaws of the tanks, for this it is enough to redo the tower by making it a little higher.

[mario petrov]

It is needed to extinguish the infantry with grenade launchers and to herach on light armor. If it doesn’t flash some armor, it’s knocking down the tracks and sights.
Rate of fire is good, ammunition is also, know yourself water from two trunks on all two-legged approaching tanks

[ProkletyiPirat]

describe the theoretically possible combat situation where exactly the "BMPT terminator" will allow you to complete the combat mission. For example, why can’t the infantry be extinguished by the same BMP / TBMP? Anyway, explain how the "terminator" will protect the tank? just don’t need me to talk about “bang-bang oh-yoy-yoy, and the enemy is defeated” here’s a simple situation the tank goes behind him at a distance of 30 m, the tank opens fire on a disguised ATGM calculation, as an BMPT detects and targets ATGMs without radar ? How BMPT can hit ATGM if the path is blocked by a tank or terrain? yes corny, how BMPT can detect the calculation of anti-tank systems? But how will she hit him? So, as soon as you move from the fantasies of “BMPT fans” to specific combat situations, it immediately turns out that BMPT, if present, does not provide strategic and tactical advantages, and therefore it is unnecessary!

[Kasym]

1. Have you heard about the Toyota war? See how many of these carts in Syria and Iraq! The terminator is a “civilized analogue,” with much more powerful and extensive armaments behind the armor.
2. An example of RK. The car was bought in units. copies for testing and definition of tasks. Then it was adopted and agreed with UVZ to use our T-72 from the reserve for BMPT.
And why they drove her to Syria - it is clear that they have already used and tested her, because take into service - or you grew smarter. generals in Syria ?!
3. Many people miss that the machine can work through the "air" (helicopters, UAVs), covering BTT and infantry right on the battlefield. Why do you think he is obligated to detect ATGM calculations?
Margelov once said that for a successful landing attack, which has no rear, you need a sea of ​​fire machine. Well, what is worse than infantry - The Terminator will eclipse an infantry platoon on it ?! Do not raise your heads, just give the sector of fire, where the same ATGM calculation can presumably be - we will see later how the operator can conduct this anti-tank missile (of course, if it is detected).
If you were in the infantry, you would like such a machine to cover you, because it multiply raises the firepower of the unit - is this its advantage ?!
In that Syria (i.e. against barmaley), BMPT can replace the tank in most cases.

[ProkletyiPirat]

I asked not for bang-bang, but for a specific combat situation! let me try to clarify your misconceptions
1) The fight against the "Toyotas" as well as shushpantsars, gantraks and jihad mobiles. The unit has armored personnel carriers \ BMP \ TBMPs that have the same 30mm gun, so the terminator does not provide a new way of hitting equipment. In the case of a tank, again you can put a spark with a 30mm cannon by analogy with the “Bahcha-U” (both on new tanks like Armata and on the same alteration of the T72 in the latter case, the BK_30mm is located in the middle between the AZ_125 and the crew, which will require a bit to increase the height of the tower) In the case of BTR \ BMP \ TBMP if a single gun is not enough, it is also not a problem to establish a pair of two 30-mm-woks.
2) I somehow do not care who is smarter than me or the generals, I ask about for what tasks this terminator is needed and why the existing types of equipment cannot perform these tasks.
3) OH CAN NOT WORK BY AIR! The fact that his guns rise high does not make him an anti-aircraft gun! For anti-aircraft guns, you need two radars, one survey and one corrective, but they are NOT on the terminator! Consequently, all aiming will be a peephole, and this is the expense of thousands of ammunition per UAV, as a result, most of the time the BMPT will go without ammunition or be in the process of replenishing it. What can I say, even if you put these two radars and get an analogue of the shell, the BC consumption will be in the hundreds of UAVs, which again will lead to the same consequences.

I consider the topic “If you were in the infantry, you would like to ...” unpromising because if I were in the infantry I would fight with what they would give me and where they would order without any “Wishlist”. And even if I had “Wishlist” I would not choose either a terminator or BMPT, but would choose slightly improved tanks and infantry fighting vehicles, although I would dream of a lot of rework.

[aws4]

You just don’t think that I’m arguing ... it’s just interesting to understand .. 1 (For example, why can’t the infantry be extinguished by BMP \ TBMP?) As far as I know, we don’t have more than one BMP, armored personnel carrier, bmd at the moment on either side, even with the oldest RPG shot or the oldest Ptur, but this hybrid is less vulnerable than the same t 72b.
2 all of our bmp are vulnerable to large-caliber rifles and machine guns but this machine is not. 3 (Although at the same time, if you modify the T72 by giving them a 30mm cannon and the AGS you can completely close the flaws of the tanks), here I really didn’t understand the tank, this is a tank, and even if we compare this hybrid, then in this case the weapons are more flexible even with the tank 30mm and ags where you shove 900 30 mm shells ??? and then they shoved not only them but also two barrels, plus 2 ags of 300 grenades per each ... 4) do we have an army vehicle in the army that would be a carrier protected at least like a tank ??? I don’t know such a thing ... besides, there is no loading carousel and cardboard charges shoved throughout the hull for shells that obviously do not add to the tank’s vitality ... to summarize .... - it seems like a stupid hybrid BUT 1) it is better protected than our main tank t72b 2) with a defeat, the chances of the crew dying are much less than in the tank. 3) great firepower against infantry and light armor 4) mobile assault with a tank protection level .. there is something in this machine and let's not forget about the same shilka and how it is used for other purposes ...

[ProkletyiPirat]

firstly, you need to look not at the technique itself ("a spherical horse in a vacuum") but at the strategic and tactical capabilities that the technique provides on the battlefield.

Secondly, As I said in other comments, the BK tank is located between the AZ_125 and the crew, that is, we increase the height of the tower and the landing height of the gunner and commander, and under them we place the 30mm BK.

third, there is a BMP and TBMP with a 30mm cannon and ATGMs, you can also cram the AGS there, all of this can be combined in the form of an uninhabited over-hull combat module.

the main thing) the implementation of paragraphs 2 and 3 will completely close the weapons used on the BMPT, thereby not having to create a new type of equipment.
explanation if you as a commander will be offered a choice
a) two tanks (125 + 30) and eight BMP \ TBMP (ATGM + 30 + AGS + infantry (8 * 8 = 64 people))
b) abandon part of the tanks and infantry fighting vehicles in favor of two or three BMPTs (ATGM + 30 + AGS)?
what will you choose? Personally, I will choose the first option because the armament is the same, for the first version has more infantry to cover equipment.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: ProkletyiPirat

Personally, I will choose the first option because the armament is the same, for the first version has more infantry to cover equipment.

BMPT in its current form is no good. Need another car with different weapons. Short-barreled gun 120-152 mm low-medium ballistics, 45 mm automatic gun. The machine should be a two-turret second turret with an armament of the type 12,7-14,5 mm machine gun plus AGS 45 mm, on the main tower a machine gun module of 7,62 mm. The vertical aiming angles on the main tower should be of the order of -10 .. + 70 degrees. The crew is a mechanic, two weapons operators, a commander.

[mario petrov]

The situation where the premium terminator I already wrote, read carefully))
What is the best BMP terminator? Armor !! This is first and foremost.
That allows him to go along with tanks, and not far behind.
Secondly, the tank can focus only on large objects and not on everything, the terminator will work on infantry with grenade launchers, and protect tanks. Such a division in the tasks will allow them to perform better, since one tank does not need much time to think about its defense

[Kasym]

Write that "CANNOT WORK BY AIR", then write for the consumption of BC. I think that the entire BC is much cheaper than LA. And it’s better to have this opportunity than not to have it. By hovering turntables and ATGM can work. If there is a “tip-off” from the command regarding the approaching danger from the air (direction), then you can meet it. The twin gun, in my opinion, is made to increase the rate of fire. And this is needed just in the role of anti-aircraft guns.
And as the comrades correctly noted, this is armor, unlike light armored personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles, etc. .. - they cannot go in the same order as tanks. Tanks usually have the task of breaking through the enemy defenses, and BMPT cleansing (in my opinion) of the infantry with their anti-tank weapons. Agree that distracting the tank for each grenade launcher, which is dangerous for a light BTT, is not serious. They will miss the tanks and begin to drive out infantry fighting vehicles. And here is such an ambush with BMPT, which can go with tanks.

[ProkletyiPirat]

Quote: Kasym

Write that "CANNOT WORK BY AIR", then write for the expense of BC

I wrote about the lack of radar, and the expense is a consequence and not a reason. You understand that you will not see with your eyes and do not aim at the UAV. This is not for you to target a plane in the Second World War, the UAV is only one and a half meters wide and long, and even at a height of a kilometer, or even more.

Quote: Kasym

Tanks usually have the task of breaking through the enemy defenses, and BMPT cleansing (in my opinion) of the infantry with their anti-tank weapons.

BMPT CANNOT CLEAR TERRITORY !! here explain to me HOW BMPT can clean a small forest? or a farm for 30 houses? or a village of 5 Khrushchev? cleaning is carried out ONLY by infantry!

Well, if it was some kind of t-800, I would still believe it, but this overgrowth terminator doesn’t even crawl through the door

[ProkletyiPirat]

Quote: mario petrov

Secondly, the tank can focus only on large objects and not on everything, the terminator will work on infantry with grenade launchers, protect tanks

30mm and the AGS can be installed on the tank itself, because all three of these types of weapons are not used at the same time, make 30mm with 125mm and combine the AGS with a machine gun and a panoramic sight, remove the BC for the AGS in an obscure space by analogy with the abrams or "Object 640 ", BC for 30mm, as I said, to place between the crew and AZ_125. As a result, we get a tank that can also be a BMPT terminator. And so the question arises: Why introduce a new type of technology if you can bring the old one to mind? (and this is all based on the same t72)

[RASKAT]

Well, everything comes true, which is what we predicted. 57mm comes to replace 30mm. With the terminator, the truth is somehow not completely clear. It’s just a turn and you need a 57mm gun and BC for more and active protection without fail. Maybe they’ll put it.
And at the Epoch I did not like the sights, it’s too big TVs, it will be quite easy to hit. It would be necessary on the contrary to make them as on Kurganets, eyes as small as possible. Maybe the metal will still change. And the rest standings, 57mm paired with anti-tank systems explosive mixture.

[bouncyhunter]

We’ll also see what the BMPT on the Armata platform will do: maybe we’ll already see the 57 mm.

[Nikolai Petrov]

I agree with you, it is not advisable to carry 30 mm-hk for such a base. And 57 mm is the most. "Stalin's hole punch" improved still will do good service to the motherland. The 57 mm anti-tank gun brought a lot of trouble to the Teutons in due time.

[mark1]

Quote: Nikolai Petrov

The 57 mm anti-tank gun brought a lot of trouble to the Teutons in due time.

57 mm low ballistic gun. How low is it? ZIS-2 was a high ballistic gun.

[uav80]

LShO-57 is not a Stalinist hole punch, it is an automatic grenade launcher, there is a completely different ammunition ...

[ProkletyiPirat]

I don’t remember the name of the type of shells that crack the inside of the armor, but I definitely remember that they are useless against the composite that is put on all modern armored vehicles. And in general, it is somehow doubtful that the shell in the picture above will be able to flatten out on the armor before detonation.

[maxbaxg61]

Hesh shells?

[ProkletyiPirat]

yes they, the shell from the picture in front is too durable.

[Kasym]

Pirate, I served at an air training ground - so don’t speak for radars, etc. .. I saw the air force being used on the ground. And the high-precision ones have nothing to do with it - they chase after him every RPG too expensive. You from those videos from Syria noticed that, for example, turntables come from ... one direction. It is called "Combat." And the turntables fit one after another, becoming in a circle - you know why? So it’s enough to know this direction and have at least an anti-aircraft gun without any radar to pinpoint this. And if there are a dozen of them, all directions will be blocked ?! They will be able to cover each other. Bury the entire BTT, anti-aircraft guns on the tower so that infantry could not be taken from the ATGM.
Do you want to have 30mm in fishing line and city under heavy or light armor? If you put 125mm. tank shell out the window, then nothing will remain of the house. A 30mm. just sew through the walls without much damage. The tank is sometimes redundant. There are many cases from the history of Chechnya when the infantry needed 30mm. the cannon is for the tank. armor - another large calico. Pulimet took.
Each trunk has its own task.

[ProkletyiPirat]

Quote: Kasym

Each trunk has its own task.

So I completely agree, the thing is different. I understand perfectly well the need for both 30mm and AGS, because I’m talking about the fact that all these weapons can be put on a tank and / or TBMP, and then it will be unnecessary to introduce a new unit into the staff.

Quote: Kasym

I saw how the air force is used on the ground.

So it doesn’t matter, your sample is insignificant, or do you think that the pilots of the turntables and their command are such "smart people with the letter I" that they will send the turntables to shoot from a distance of 4 km? Kasym! 4 km! his mother is 4km! this is the maximum effective range of the shell when using the radar for correction! But then the correction and air defense \ missile defense, and then some kind of terminator and correction "by eye".

Quote: Kasym

Do you want to have 30mm in fishing line and city under heavy or light armor? If you put 125mm. tank shell out the window, then nothing will remain of the house. A 30mm. just sew through the walls without much damage. The tank is sometimes redundant. There are many cases from the history of Chechnya when the infantry needed 30mm. the cannon is for the tank. armor - another large calico. Pulimet took.

That's what I write about this, the concept of MBT is outdated, in modern warfare there are no tank rush, now in general the “tank VS tank” is an accident, which is what tank ammunition with minimal ammunition against tanks says. Personally, I'm generally for an uninhabited tower with 152mm + 30mm and angles at 85 degrees, and even with an MRSI automatic loader, the main thing is to shoot 500 \ 750 \ 1000 \ 1500 in length in order to get a lot of cumulative-fragmentation mines (500) and carry all kinds of missiles ( 1500), flamethrowers (1500) and, well, ordinary OFSs and BOPSs. But I’m a sane person and I understand that somewhere you need T72 day from warehouses, and BC from them in warehouses is too much, And these T72s with a tower replacement can very well get 125 + 30 + AGS, thereby making all of these BMPT unnecessary . What actually I say constantly. Simply put, I believe that instead of a new type of equipment (BMPT), it is necessary to bring the existing equipment to the ideal.

[Kasym]

Well, finally, write yourself to put 30mm and AGS on the tank !!! Please + ATGM.
Friend, so turrets turrets drive from 4 km. grenade launchers will not be able - expensive, small car to the wind !!! So we need an airy Katyusha in the form of NURSs, guns and cereals. Pulimetom - and this distance is just for 30mm. anti-aircraft guns. Do you know from what distance NURSs are used? An infantry helicopter is worse than an airplane. Because drags all this nomenclature, incl. AB But the bomb is dropping vert. ... for two years of service I did not see that the bomb did not fall into the bomb circle. The pinwheel itself is a high-precision weapon carrier. Therefore, spirits are so afraid of them and award prizes !!! A couple is able to grind a battalion with BTT if there is no protection, and you can’t save enough for each Armor !!! For two years of ATGM service - 4 misses !!! 4!!! And if this crocodile with an experienced crew and bombs - on earth pi ...- 100% !!! I hope you do not need to describe the impact of the AB-250. Here is 30mm. and needed. But this is only one of her appointments. Once again, I draw attention to the pairing - obviously for work by air !!!
There are no ideals. The United States wanted a super-duper F-35 for all occasions. And what came out of this wagon - a lot of restrictions, that it is not clear how to fly ?! Better specialized. Moreover. Hodovka standard for troops - T-72, ammunition as well. 30mm on the armored personnel carrier and infantry fighting vehicles stand, ATGMs also with AGS in troops. I do not see problems with maintenance and supply. And you?
Yes, and what to argue, the machine is adopted and that’s the point ... - Congratulations, there are no analogues!

[ProkletyiPirat]

Quote: Kasym

Yes, and what to argue, the machine is adopted and that’s the point ... drinks - Congratulations, there are no analogues!

We have a lot of "accepted" but in fact there is no, so no argument, they may well buy 50pcs and remove half of the warehouses.

Quote: Kasym

Friend, so turrets turrets drive from 4 km. grenade launchers will not be able - expensive, small car to the wind !!!

Not an argument! Turntables FIRST destroy equipment and only THEN will arrive with NURSES to clean up infantry. Yes, and not only "NAR S-5" but also "S-13" and "S-25" can be suspended, in which the launch range is 1,5-3 km, where again there is nothing to do without radar correction. By the way, I don’t see any problems pushing the anti-helicopter shell into the tank, which is described by me, that in T72, in the latter case it is stored in a crazy space.

Quote: Kasym

There are no ideals. The United States wanted a super-duper F-35 for all occasions. And what came out of this wagon - a lot of restrictions, that it is not clear how to fly ?!

Ideal is not in technology! Ideal in strategic and tactical capabilities on the battlefield! The same f-35 with Opprey allows you to convert any UDC or container ship into an aircraft carrier, which gives a strategic advantage on the battlefield, both in the number of sorties and in combat stability, and even in the possibility of a covert attack disguising as civilian ships.

Quote: Kasym

Better specialized.

All is well that in moderation and justified by the mind!

[NEXUS]

Quote: Alexey-74

The process has begun !!! New equipment in the arsenal of Russia. I am personally pleased.

It's too early to rejoice ... it was clearly said that the defense budget will be cut. So let's wait and see ... in this regard, there is one question, why on the basis of the T-72, and not on the basis of Almaty, which will fit a larger base and in control such a machine will be easier, well, more secure?

[Albert1988]

Because Terminator 3 based on Almaty is only in development ...

[Petr1]

It seems that in Syria, the run-in was excellent

[Hort]

Well, praise be to the gods

[Plombir]

Finally, it happened! Such a wonderful thresher TERMINATOR! And a 57mm cannon of low ballistics is also a good present. This is a super sniper! Yes, and the machine. Who understands.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Plombir

Finally, it happened! Such a wonderful thresher TERMINATOR!

That is yes. True, the article talks about “Terminator 2” (based on the 72nd), and the one assembled on the basis of the T-90 (crew of 5 people) was going to purchase. Apparently, they decided to take a “run-in” sample (Kazakhstan, recently Syria).

[aszzz888]

For the first time, the Defense Ministry will receive Terminator tank support vehicles and upgraded BMP-3 with the Epoch combat module

... finally born in MO! ...

[Nikolai Petrov]

God grant! Probably run in Syria. It would be interesting to see his work as a bearded man. And so it's time, even the Kazakhs have already bought for themselves, and our menagers have only been born. But better late than never

[Hermann]

It will be interesting to look at the new combat module for the BMP-3.
I pulled a picture from bmpd.livejournal

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Herman

It will be interesting to look at the new combat module for the BMP-3.

Today there was an article about the Army 2017 forum, there is a photo of the layout with a description. Take a look at the "News".

[Hermann]

Thanks, pulled in another place.

[Hermann]

The module itself resembles the South African counterpart for the modernization of the BMP-1.

[DenZ]

It seems like they wrote that BMPTs based on the T-90 will be bought for the Russian army. Where does article BMPT 72 come from?

[Berkut24]

Somehow many questions arise on this news.
1) MO correctly and many times explained why he did not need “terminators”. And I somehow doubt that since then we have changed the staffing table, made changes in the tactics of warfare and that our army has become so poor that it is forced to buy “terminators” instead of normal armor ... Maybe they want to throw in expeditionary forces in the same Syria or portray a supply to help UVZ when concluding contracts with foreign customers?
2) MO officially refused new deliveries of T-90 due to their high cost and began to give UVZ its T-72 from storage for pumping to the level of T-72B3M, which were cheaper and no worse than T-90 and are generally designed to hold out to serial T-14. What is now dead?

[Muvka]

The answer is simple: Syria has happened.

[Berkut24]

Where did it happen? On tanks - in storage of 15 canned vehicles. Including 000 T-200 of the first series. According to the "Terminators" - until they do, Syria will end.

[Muvka]

This equipment in Syria showed itself well, and therefore decided to purchase, what does "Syria end"?

[ProkletyiPirat]

Quote: Muvka

This technique in Syria showed itself well

where did she show herself there?

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: ProkletyiPirat

where did she show herself there?

On photos. I remember shkolota jumping for joy in the comments.

[A1845]

Quote: Berkut24

MO correctly and many times explained why he did not need “terminators”. And I somehow doubt that since then we changed the staffing table, made changes to the tactics of warfare

maybe hope in this way to stir up buyers? Recently, export potential is our everything ..

[alexmach]

on the second point - because we are not talking about the supply of new T-90 but about the modernization of the existing ones. As for me, the case is more than worthwhile.
And on the first point - well, apparently still chatted :)

[Per se.]

Quote: Berkut24

and that our army has become so poor that it is forced to buy "terminators" instead of normal armor ...

Is BMPT something flawed that this machine is the only way to understand it? The BMPT defense is superior to the tank defense, and its presence next to the tanks in the first line is justified, due to its specialized fire support, which the tanks lack. In terms of support, the BMPT looks much preferable to any heavy BMP in this capacity, surpassing the heavy BMP in terms of firepower and armor protection, as a whole in functionality. The fact that the MoE could not decide on the BMPT place is neither an argument for its uselessness nor an indicator of wisdom when there is not one theorist among modern owners of stripes in the armored forces who have talent, and not just following the old charters and methods. Soviet marshal of armored forces Oleg Aleksandrovich Losik has long spoken out for the need for such a machine in the battle formations of tanks. Finally, it happened, thank God, and our bourgeois somehow did something useful for their army ... The BMPT is in the fact that it can not only be done from scratch, but also use the reserves of old tanks for alterations. It would be great to have a “triplex” platform, a tank, a BMPT, and a heavy armored personnel carrier, to supplement the “kit” with an even more heavy armored personnel carrier based on the T-90 / Т72. The APCs could be made on the basis of the BMO-T, paired with the BMPT, they would receive a heavy heavy infantry fighting vehicle divided by functionality, where the heavy APCs perform the transport function, and the specialized fire in the first BMPT line. Again, stockpiles of old tanks would be useful.

[Berkut24]

BMPT protection is superior to tank

Here you are seriously getting excited. It was supposed that the tanks would go ahead, and the BMPT would be supported from behind. In general, the idea of ​​creating a BMPT appeared as a T-72 conversion in those countries that used to buy this tank.
BMPT was offered for 3 countries that, for financial reasons, cannot afford normal fire support on the battlefield in the form of army aircraft and attack helicopters. The weapons that are on the BMPT in theory are on many types of light armor. ATGMs and a 30mm cannon are now not uncommon, but the norm. BMP-3 and it is better armed. In range, weapon capacity and ammunition, Terminor drains the tank.
In Syria, BMPT is good against jihad mobiles, techies, and like the MI-28 crawling on the ground. But Russia has no problems with weapons like Assad, and the battlefield is different. You won’t shove this Iashina into a tank regiment, to whom will they give it to - motorized infantry?

[ProkletyiPirat]

Quote: Berkut24

In Syria, BMPT is good against jihad mobiles, techies, and like the MI-28 crawling on the ground.

why create a separate car against jihad mobiles? already have BTR \ BMP if you also give the tank a 30mm gain, then we get a more effective combination, because it is much better to have two tanks with 125 + 30 than a tank with 125 and BMPT with 30. Actually, the spark 125 + 30 or 152 + 30 on the tank will allow use the tank not only to destroy strongholds but also to destroy lightly armored and unarmored vehicles, as well as (most important) to suppress the enemy.

As for the creeping mi28, this is sheer nonsense. Helicopters have an advantage not in fire destruction of the target, but in the possibility of quick response and concentration of forces.

[Per se.]

Quote: Berkut24

Here you are seriously getting excited.

Let's just say, dear Alexei, the protection of the BMPT is equivalent to the protection of the main battle tank, and, clearly, exceeds the protection of the BMP-2 and BMP-3. As for weapons, it, in the first place, complements the tank, and does not duplicate and does not compete. Specialized fire support and powerful tank armor, this is the essence of the BMPT, which allows the use of this machine in the first line. In this BMPT "merges the tank", only what the tank should do. The fact that the BMP-3 is “better armed” is the same, the BMP-3 has a different concept, it is a universal machine that duplicates a light tank in some way. If desired, it is also fashionable to install the same “Bahcha” module on the BMPT, but then it will no longer be the BMPT, since the “Bahcha” was largely created under the universality of the BMP, to duplicate the tank’s function. It seems obvious things, but where do people get the hell out of the way to measure, wish the hell out of BMPT ... And, last, the idea of ​​BMPT was embodied on the basis of T-90, which, "like the conversion of T-72", is unlikely passes. Only, the so-called "Terminator-2", created later, uses the T-72 base, and it is a plus, not a minus, when you can make a modern car out of an outdated tank with new capabilities, when you can use old stocks of a well-established tank base To make a real platform, mastered by the industry, reliable, not expensive, and not to promote expensive and complicated, assigning platforms that have not been adopted yet, has not proved itself in any way.

[Aleks tv]

Quote: Per se.

Specialized fire support and powerful tank armor, this is the essence of the BMPT, which allows the use of this machine in the first line.

To the point.
Good day, Sergey.

In addition to theory, there is also Practice. And practice speaks of the following - in our glorious Red Army there are few cars with "tank" protection.
BMPT can be criticized as the model itself, but not the point. All its salt in shallow caliber is protected by TANK armor.
Such a machine was not enough as air. I don’t know anyone who would refuse from it when deciding certain BZ.
- Where to cram her into the brigade OSR?
Surely they will make a separate company in 10-12 machines and be pulled to someone.
- How to use it?
STRENGTHENING OF UNITS DURING THE DECISION OF STANDARD BZ.
Do not forget that at the moment the main combat bones of the brigades is BTGr.
BTGr formed hp and equipment on a SPECIFIC TVD under a SPECIFIC BZ.
This is where they belong.
The options are:
1. BMPT is good for working in the city during the construction of the "Christmas tree" and in the first and second lines.
2. In villages and towns, he has no equal.
3. Gorgeous when accompanied by caterpillar and mixed "ribbons" both in the open and in the mountains.
4. The field is a classic.
- What calibers are needed?
The Army should have ALL calibers.))) And when solving a certain BZ, the commander, accordingly, forms a unit that will be able to carry out this particular BZ with the necessary equipment and the "necessary" calibers.
This is actually the ABC.
Bech 1,2 was invented to work as an avalanche on a European theater. And to apply them, in fact, had to ............ everywhere.
As the mantra was repeated, and we will continue to repeat it with colleagues in units where the T-72 (80) and BMP-1,2,3 BMPs will be armed, units equipped with BMPTs are essential. If there will also be TBTR from BMO-T (we have nothing else), then it’s absolutely wonderful.
It’s just, for some reason, that the units are sometimes assigned a BZ to solve which very thick armor and a sea of ​​fire are very necessary.
I myself don’t understand why this happens.

........
And who doesn’t like it - welcome to Behu-1,2 to solve the KB on the four options mentioned above.

[Per se.]

To the point.
Good day, Sergey.

Good day, Alex, I’m glad to see a solidarity in your face. It is a pity that the respected editorial office deprived me of the opportunity to post articles, so I sometimes express myself in the comments when it is difficult to keep silent.

[Aleks tv]

Quote: Per se.

I sometimes speak in the comments when it is difficult to keep silent.

[APASUS]

Since it was about the purchase of such specific weapons, as I understand it, we are planning \ city battles. It is clear that this is purely hypothetical, but general trends say that we are on the eve of the war.

[Dangerous]

Well, yes, and we have been planning a nuclear war for 70 years, everything is planned and planned

[APASUS]

Quote: Dangerous

Well, yes, and we have been planning a nuclear war for 70 years, everything is planned and planned

Haha planned! Every schoolboy in our country knew how to disassemble AK, how to act in case of a nuclear explosion, and now children only know how to download Tetris .........

[NUR]

Kazakhstan needs such weapons, an era module is also needed. From the democrats the most.

[Velizariy]

Well, develop, what is the problem then?)

[NUR]

Right now we buy from Russia there is nobody to develop, all lawyers.

[Velizariy]

still economists ...

[NUR]

And what about without them.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: NUR

Kazakhstan needs such weapons, an era module is also needed. From the democrats the most.

No one needs this car in the form in which it is.

[Kasym]

On "ours" (development of South Africa), a new armored personnel carrier (one of three options) was installed on a Baikal module with 57 mm. gun. A 30mm. They are already on the BTR-80.

[san4es]

The combat module "Age"
Armament:
1. 30-mm AP 2A42 with ammunition of 500 rounds (160 BPS / 340OFS), firing range up to 4000m
2. UR "Kornet" (4 pieces on two launchers), firing range of ATGMs up to 8000m, UR "Kornet" with NDC - up to 10000m.
3. 7,62 mm PKT machine gun with an ammunition load of 2000 rounds.
OMS features:
- Automatic search for targets simultaneously in different spectral ranges in passive and active mode;
- Search for masked targets with an optical locator;
- Simultaneous shelling of two targets;
- Highly effective anti-aircraft fire from anti-aircraft targets with automatic tracking at angles of up to 70 degrees .;
- Combat work in remote control mode;
- Work on external target designation;

[vkl.47]

This one with a 57mm cannon plus a whole box of rockets and 4 cornets on the sides. In the photo an early sample

[san4es]

Quote: vkl.47

... In the photo an early sample

... I agree ... I did not find a new one ... Only "Bakhcha"

... and Derivation

[Dead duck]

https://cont.ws/@bmpd/696702

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: san4es

Only "Bahce"

Derivation and Dragoon.

[Sanichsan]

as well as the promising Bulat complex with small guided missiles

but there’s nothing about this at all. interesting

[Krasnyiy komissar]

Upgrading the old T-72 to the T-72B3M level is much better than the production of the new T-90, but there are too many questions about the BMPT. Why do we need a machine with a mass of MBT, two low-powered 2A42 guns (do not penetrate the frontal armor of the western armored infantry fighting vehicles) and without a compartment for landing? The promising BMP T-15 looks much more effective than the “Terminator”, because it has MBT protection, a landing force and can be equipped with a combat module with a 57 mm high-ballistic S-60 cannon. The high ballistic cannon has a large firing range (more than 4 km), is capable of easily tearing down the external equipment of an enemy tank with a burst of HE shells, or even penetrate its side armor from a distance of about a kilometer with a BPS. A caliber of 57 mm makes it easy to install a programmable fuse in the shell and a fairly powerful explosive charge, which will allow to hit air targets.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: Krasnyiy komissar

and can be equipped with a combat module with a 57 mm high-ballistic S-60 cannon.

Small BK, on ​​the one hand, excessive armor penetration for infantry fighting vehicles, armored personnel carriers, and on the other hand insufficient for tanks, horseradish action on fortifications due to the small explosive charge, weight, recoil, cost. By a combination of characteristics, it loses to 40-45 mm guns.

[ProkletyiPirat]

40-45mm shells have problems with hitting air targets (UAVs) as well as infantry behind the parapet, both problems are caused by the weak power of the ammunition.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: ProkletyiPirat

40-45mm shells have problems with hitting air targets (UAVs) as well as infantry behind the parapet, both problems are caused by the weak power of the ammunition.

The BMPT has the fight against infantry in priority and light armored vehicles. This is all understandable, but by the totality of the characteristics I read these guns are optimal. And it’s more effective than 30 mm guns.

[ProkletyiPirat]

Yes, this BMPT (terminator) is unnecessary, it’s quite possible to remake the T72 turret by making it a little higher, which will allow placing between the crew and AZ_125 an additional AZ of 30 mm for one or two automatic guns located in front of the turret and mounted on the main gun, or making a shell casing where cram and 125 and 30.

[Tektor]

The transition to a super universal caliber of 57 mm is highly supported! This caliber is damn necessary in the era of drones, but at the same time it allows you to fight at a distance greater than the enemy can answer.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: Tektor

The transition to a super universal caliber of 57 mm is highly supported! This caliber is damn necessary in the era of drones, but at the same time it allows you to fight at a distance greater than the enemy can answer.

Nobody needs him, which shows the global experience.

[Tektor]

World experience does not know the most effective way to combat UAVs than the 57-caliber Anti-aircraft Guided Art Projectile with remote detonation or contact / non-contact fuse. Those. rocket without engine. The projectile was adopted, and begins to be delivered to warehouses. With the same projectile, you can "cut" everything that is hung on MBT at ranges of about 6-8 km, not to mention other armored vehicles.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: Tektor

With the same projectile, you can "cut" everything that is hung on MBT at ranges of about 6-8 km, not to mention other armored vehicles.

You will first get at such a distance then we will talk. And yes it’s better not to do that at all. The tank can take offense and can fire in response.

[armourer]

Quote: ProkletyiPirat

only now it is not clear to whom and why it is "needed".

It looks like my favorite waffle))) This machine will still show itself

[ProkletyiPirat]

yeah, it will show you the next useless ***** m, because for many years no one has ever been able to come up with a situation where it is really needed. Try it yourself and you can see for yourself.

[Kiril]

In fact, the terminator himself (without) the help of all drenched, so the name is not the best But if you have created and are adopting BMPT, you need to put BM into service to support BMPT etc...

[Cxnumx]

heh) it seems that the rules in Syria have gone, before the MO did not say much about him)