Bulgarian President: It makes no sense to invest in upgrading outdated MiG-29

The Bulgarian TV channel Nova TV reports that President Rumen Radev (a former military pilot and commander of the country's air force) criticized the capabilities of the MiG-29 fighter. Being on a visit to Burgas, Radev said that he was not a supporter of the modernization of Soviet fighters, since they were "seriously inferior to NATO."

Radev:

It is impractical to invest forces and funds in the repair of obsolete equipment.

After such words, Russian military pilots must have at least smiled, who cover the columns of terrorists in Syria on “outdated equipment” - for example, the Su-24 and Su-25 aircraft, which have undergone timely modernization. The pilots of the Strizhi aerobatic team, who on the 17-tonne MiG-29 perform incredible beauty and complexity of the aerobatics, would obviously twist their fingers on their heads.

If the Bulgarian authorities brought Aviation the fact that for years aircraft maintenance (the same MiG-29s) did not care for many years - they were so eager for NATO - this does not mean at all that the purchase of aircraft manufactured by the countries of the North Atlantic Alliance will fundamentally change anything.

Previously, the government of the country was going to acquire several Swedish Saab JAS-39C / D Gripen, which were already used by foreign air forces. However, it was then decided to abandon the procurement due to lack of financial resources.

By the way, for September Sofia has outlined joint exercises of the Air Forces of Bulgaria and Israel. Portal Burgas.ru reports that Bulgaria’s 42 units of equipment will participate in the exercises.

Comments

[Observer2014]

While on a visit to BurgasRadev said that he is not a supporter of the modernization of Soviet fighters, as they are "seriously inferior to NATO."

I, today, driving past the "Burgas" also caught myself thinking that rich Bulgarians did not need to be trifled with. Squadron F 35 they need to buy. And teeth on the shelf

[Solomon Kane]

Drink Pliska and listen to Kirkorov, Mr. Rumen Radev.
And there’s nothing to climb into Russian aviation with a pig’s snout ......

[cniza]

He fulfills his Presidency in front of the owners.

[bouncyhunter]

And this practice, as always, is inextricably linked with pouring mud over everything Soviet / Russian.

[cniza]

And a repeated savior - he has a bad memory ...

[bouncyhunter]

He is forbidden to remember the highest manifesto from the city of Fashington, Judah.

[cniza]

Nothing, people will remind ...

[bouncyhunter]

And who will remind the people?

[cniza]

There will be good people.

[Evgeny RS]

We must conclude and no longer save.

[xetai9977]

"at least the Russian military pilots who cover the columns of terrorists in Syria with" obsolete equipment "smiled -
in vain. NATO members are far from bearded slippers on pickups, without any Air Force and Air Defense. This is not serious

[Alexs_ross]

So NATO and do not fly to where there are serious Air Force and Air Defense.

[vkl.47]

F35 to help them))) generally give almost nothing

[Hagalaz]

And I think that military aviation in Bulgaria is not needed at all. There is no one to defend against, but to attack the gut. Let NATO pay directly and do not worry.

[pytar]

MiG-29 was expensive to operate. Our Mig-and from the first modifications, while we got them from those who were in operation in the Soviet Air Force in 1982 or 88 I do not remember exactly .. From time to time support becomes more and more expensive! It's like with old cars! The Bulgarian Ministry of Defense decided to start purchasing new Swedish Grepens in their latest modification. They are ideal for Bulgarian conditions.

And General Radev, well versed in the topic! He is one of the few pilots performing the “cobra” figure on the MiG-29! Here is a video of his pilotage.

[Lucy]

pytar so you mishandled Cossack?


pytar October 18, 2015 01:24 | The Bulgarians again refused to provide an air corridor to the Russian transport
Quote: parafoiler
Yeah. And on the side of the Germans, they fought against us in World War II, until we hacked the Fritz’s sides. So they immediately went over to us. Skins are corrupt.
Do not fight against you. From the word at all. We fought with you. As a reward, we received communism. It so happened that you did not like him. So they took and the ego collapsed. You! Betrayed everyone. You! Mine too. Then they yelled for a long time and yelled that "you were betrayed"! Weird! Searing shouting against those who are for you. And pour water into the chalk of those who are against you. Inadequate! From the word at all.

[pytar]

Nobody sent me. I myself have come!

[Lavi]

You operate on facts and arguments, and those who answer you swing the genitals.
You wrote it right. Do not swords beads in front of pigs, still do not understand.
In the original article, the words of General Radev were initially taken out of context and turned upside down. Of course, the old plane is inferior to the new one and at some point it needs to be changed. And it was served as if he criticized the Mig-29. Maybe Russia wants to make an attractive proposal to break the deal and sell new Mig-29s? And if not, then what are the grievances and hose-wounding?

[They <b>accompany you</b>]

can change his mind yet, Poroshenko is proud of "his" 29 mi

[RASKAT]

It makes no sense to invest in the modernization of obsolete MiG-29

That's right, immediately buy a MiG-35 or SU-30.

[Tusv]

Quote: RASKAT

Right, buy the MiG-35 right away

But has something changed in the glider? AFAR, a new skin, partly based on Stealth technology and new engines with a super cruise and a variable thrust vector

[RASKAT]

I think a lot has changed, both materials and reliability with mass.

[Mik13]

Quote: Tusv

But has something changed in the glider?

It has changed a lot.
The MiG-29 has a very interesting operation pattern of air intakes. On the ground, the front airspace is closed, and air enters through the “gills” in the upper part of the hull. In flight at subsonic through the front airspace, and in supersonic, the upper and front work in combined mode.


The MiG-35 has no upper air intakes, like the Su-27. Due to this, additional volumes were freed.

[Tusv]

Quote: Mik13

Very changed

“Hey, you fish, no, I fish” I say that the engines are new, with supersonic sound without afterburner, you have different air intakes for these engines. Can we go fishing together? The last time two backpacks were stockfish, though in the eighties

[Slovak]

As a former pilot, he knows that BULGARIAN airplanes are the best!

[skeptic]

Quote: RASKAT

It makes no sense to invest in the modernization of obsolete MiG-29

That's right, immediately buy a MiG-35 or SU-30.

Why sell modern equipment to a potential adversary? Let them fly on whatnots, why should they know the possibilities ahead of time X?

[pytar]

MiG-35 and Su-30 are not suitable for Bulgarian conditions. In view of the mountain reflex in most of the country, as well as its small size, the characteristics of the MiG-36 and Su-30 are excessive. We need a light-weight supersonic fighter with minimum operating costs .. Swedish Grippen is just perfect for this purpose. The latest decision of BG-MO to begin its procurement in the latest newest modification.

[Homer_J_Simpson]

And really! What for? We would rather borrow from America and buy from them the latest (decommissioned) F-16s and scare Russia.

[Slovak]

You have a typo in the word "scare". The letter G should be replaced by K

[kimvladimiril]

That's right - the newest (just copied) ...

[VAZ2106]

can Bulgaria generally military aircraft can not afford? it’s easier to buy modern air defense systems - from Russia, they will be better than NATO ones

[Tusv]

Quote: vazxnumx

can Bulgaria generally military aircraft can not afford? it’s easier to buy modern air defense systems - from Russia, they will be better than NATO ones

Well, you said. Air defense is much more expensive than aviation, by definition. From 700 megabytes

[VAZ2106]

I'm talking about operation

[vanavatny]

But why the Bulgarian Air Force?

[To be or not to be]

Vanavat today, 12:45 New
why the bulgarian air force? "
Yeah. what for?
They live without submarines ..

[Solomon Kane]

One flight, only one ...

[vanavatny]

they survive a lot without them, so why do they need some good combat aircraft? to be proud at the parade?

[Black Colonel]

is not a supporter of the modernization of Soviet fighters, as they "Seriously inferior to NATO"
Is that why the little brothers are going to fight against NATO?

[bodzu]

It’s optimal for the Bulgarians to be neutral. Quit NATO, quit the EU and begin to rebuild the economy. This is now the best time.

[pytar]

It’s optimal for the Bulgarians to be neutral. Quit NATO, quit the EU and begin to rebuild the economy. This is now the best time.

Neutrality is not possible for the following reasons: 1. High cost. Military expenditures will be many times more than now. We don’t have that kind of money! We are not Switzerland or Sweden! 2. Geography does not allow. Bulgaria is at a strategically important crossroads of interests. Neutral will never allow us to remain. 3. A collective cigar system is always the best solution for countries like Bulgaria. EU - The economy collapsed BEFORE Bulgaria joins the EU in 2007! EU membership provides great benefits for Bulgaria. With the funds from eurofunds, the entire infrastructure is being restored! Agriculture is being modernized. This is a great help for a country like Bulgaria! Bulgarian export in 90% goes to the EU! This creates jobs, and the Bulgarian economy for all this time shows growth! The exchange rates are unchanged, and inflation is negligible. Salaries, albeit at a slow pace, are growing. A huge plus from EU membership, the opportunity for free travel throughout Europe. There are no borders as such, but this is especially good for relations with neighbors that are members of the EU! After all, wars are fought from abroad and territories! There are no borders, no reasons for wars and conflicts! Bulgaria in WWI lost, for example, its White Sea Thrace, and so lost access to the Aegean Sea. Now the border has fallen and citizens of both countries can go to the neighbor without any problems. They can buy real estate, work, relax ... Investors can conduct business as they do. So it is with our other neighboring countries. I can no longer imagine the wars between Greece, Bulgaria or Romania! No need to fight! And we fought for centuries! Therefore, the EU is attractive to all countries on the Balkan Peninsula. In Bulgaria, the level of support is somewhere 80%. At the present moment there is no alternative to the European - project.

[bodzu]

Yes, the Bulgarian economy received "frantic" growth from the EU. Especially in the field of agriculture, they don’t buy their own tomatoes in Turkey. The production of electronics destroyed completely precision engineering too. And so everything is just wonderful! Russia, meanwhile, is buying tomatoes from Turkey, tourists are also resting in Turkey instead of Bulgaria. Highly skilled workers are wound around the world, up to Africa, in search of a living

[Topotun]

Strange, but what is better to get used to the obsolete F-16? They have no more money ....

[CentDo]

Yes, they have no money for the F-16. Gripen won the tender precisely because of the cost (even used F-16s were more expensive). If there is no money for the Swedes, then you can put a cross on their Air Force.

[zivXP]

Good. MiGs are not needed - you can sell Syria.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: zivXP

MiGs are not needed - you can sell Syria.

So, they have a closer "market". Only there with money ... no matter how not very. Although, again, transports from the PSU go to dill properly.

[voyaka uh]

In principle, he is right. The plane is out of date.
Or buy Russian Su-30s, or NATO ones there ...
F-16 last "Blocks", Gripen, Typhoon.

[irazum]

That's right!

[Incvizitor]

They probably better not afford and do not need it, They will buy the same old stuff from the owners to replace

[Alexey-74]

Another Bulgarian idle talk, lobbied by someone from behind a hill ... of course it is better to buy the obsolete F-16s, or can you immediately swipe at the F-22? F-35? Will you pull?

[Monarchist]

We were glad to go to heaven and sins interfere, oh excuse me, mani, but without mani ...

[Romanenko]

Yes, no one insists that the MiG-29 of the Bulgarian Air Force is already at an old age and in what condition it is difficult to judge, and the courts, according to the head of state, are clearly doing poorly, since overhaul and modernization can “pull” the price tag of Grippen , or F-16 ....
The only question is how they were brought to this, and even then not to Bulgaria, but between themselves ...
Yes, here you never know what else from politics to personal interest can be mixed up, so there is nothing to attract Swifts to opponents - they fly on their working MiGs
And what Bulgaria is going to fly, in the end, is her own business.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Romanenko

And what Bulgaria is going to fly, in the end, is her own business.

Even if on Komrah airplanes, who will prepare pilots for them?))

[alatanas]

One reasonable comment. Rumen Radev is a professional military pilot, but also a NATO pupil, so he explained that half of the article was written. He initially, while not yet the president, wiped the purchase of F-16 "second hand" at a godless price. The MIG-29 currently available is quite old. Repair even with the help of Russia will be expensive, because it will be the repair of engines and glider mechanics, and no one in Russia will remake electronics to meet NATO standards. For this you will need to pay someone else probably the same amount. That's why the most profitable option is SAAB Grippen. Otherwise, if you do not know, for all the countries of Eastern Europe, to get into the EU, you must have become a member of NATO, and then in the "eunuchs" version. Until 1992, the Bulgarian army was 147, and now less than 000. That is, one "props."

[Kurare]

In general, the repair of these aircraft has a long history. At first, the Poles wanted to repair them. But then, as it turned out, they cannot do it normally, the price was sky-high and the corruption component should not be forgotten.

This contract was cut in favor of the Russian repair. From this news, my eyes climbed over my forehead. Did the Bulgarians change their minds and take up the mind? And here is the news. But no, everything is fine, we continue to saw the branch on which we sit.

Quote: alatanas

The Bulgarian army was 147, and now less than 000. That is, one "props."

You are right, everything goes to the point that the Bulgarians will now feed the alien army, since their own will soon be gone completely!

[pytar]

You are right about something. Really discussed repair Mig-ah with the Polish company. Moreover, the Poles have experience. The Polish proposal was very profitable, as it provided for acceptable credit conditions for the Bulgarian side. As for the RSK, they wanted to remove two skins from the Bulgarians, based on their monopoly position. Subsequently, analyzes made by Bulgarian customers showed that it is generally unprofitable to repair and try to modernize the old Mig-i. They are delivered if I am not mistaken in 1988 from those that were already in operation in the Soviet Air Force. Residues are a small resource by now. In addition, the gluttony of the MiG-29 engines of the first modification raises certain questions! In the end, it was decided to purchase the new Swedish Gripenny, the latest modification. They are ideal for Bulgarian Relef and correspond to the Bulgarian military doctrine. The gene itself. Radev first-class pilot! He is one of the few to do the Cobra figure on the MiG-29! In aviation, he understands perfectly! The ego is a competent and weighty settlement.

[Abel]

Then don’t talk FIGs. Buy a glider from the Tu-160, a couple of gliders from the Su-57 and here you have a great aviation power. The photo will look cool

[demo]

The Bulgarian brother speaks correctly.
Why obsolete upgrade.
Spending money in vain.
Buy inexpensive quadrocopters, paragliders, hang gliders both on them and with their help to protect their airspace.
Again, saving on the training and maintenance of pilots.
On fuel.
And a thousand pluses.
Well done "former Bulgarian pilot."

[Abel]

And again you are wrong.

Quote: demo

Buy inexpensive quadrocopters, paragliders, hang gliders

. What for? Do you have parachutes? a machine gun under the armpit - and the fighter is ready

[pytar]

Each country chooses airplanes for its Air Force, which should be appropriate for the specifics of this country. Bulgaria, the state fits in a rectangle with dimensions 400x500 km. The relief is 80% mountainous. We need a lightweight type of maneuverable single-engine supersonic fighter. Something in the middle between the Yak-130 and MiG-29. Closest to these requirements is the Swedish Jag-39 Grippen. Ego is the most modern modification and intend to buy. Russia does not yet produce an aircraft in this class. I believe that in the international market there is a need for such aircraft.

[Aspid 57]

The Bulgarians are armed with a MIG-29 first, maximum second series. Product 9-12 or 9-13. They are thirty years old already! What is there to upgrade? With modern options, the MIG-29 is not worth its features and appearance. As with the NATO modern.

[pytar]

You are absolutely right! It is so!

[Monarchist]

Quote: vkl.47

F35 to help them))) generally give almost nothing

That's just a snag where to find this money. Maybe some rich Pinocchio lost money?

[Kurare]

Quote: Monarchist

That's just a snag where to find this money.

So you can use almost free money for the transit of Russian gas through the South Stream. Indeed, if my memory serves me right, it is more than 600 million Euros per year.

Oh yes, South Stream Bulgaria has also poher ...

[pytar]

Do you have Gazprom shares? Yes, so worried about UP! I look in Bulgaria, they are not very worried about this! Oh yes, only a handful of mafiosos survive, who intended to fill their pockets with Gazprom freebies!

[Abel]

NATO will pay

[pytar]

Bulgaria has already chosen the Swedish Grippen in its most modern configuration. He has a lower price than for example F-16 and operating costs are 2 times lower. The price offered for it equals almost the price of the supported Folcon. The Bulgarian budget provides for deliveries in two tranches and enough money for it. Link by topic down. Statia, even in Bulgarian, will probably be understandable to Russian speakers. Our languages ​​are close.
[media = https: //fakti.bg/mnenia/234096-gripen-poda
rakat-na-prezidenta-za-aviaciata-ni]

[afrikanez]

It was decided to refuse the purchase due to lack of financial resources.

Well, as they say: I would buy an ox, but a priest goal! I do not like the MiG-29, generally sit without aviation, why the hell you need it so “smart”

[Balferov]

at least the Russian military pilots who cover the columns of terrorists in Syria with “obsolete equipment”, for example, the Su-24 and Su-25 aircraft, which underwent timely modernization, smiled. Fingers of the Swifts aerobatic team, who perform incredible beauty and complexity aerobatics on a 17-ton MiG-29, would obviously have turned a finger at the temple.

An excellent example of PR in the Russian Federation of outdated equipment, when for a new plane (fifth generation) money without tinged conscience nafig sawed without a trace.
Indeed, why the RF Armed Forces "like the fifth generation", when there are already MiGs (!!) 4 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++
++++.

smiled Russian military pilots who cover the columns of terrorists in Syria on "obsolete equipment" - for example, Su-24 and Su-25

Of course they would have smiled, but there’s nothing else

Su-24 and Su-25 aircraft

no

[Young_Communist]

As far as I understand, the thing is different: stupidly in all military conflicts after the Great Patriotic War, in conditions of real air combat, Russian fighter aircraft completely merged NATO: what was during the Arab-Israeli wars, what was in Libya, what was in Iraq, what was in Yugoslavia . Therefore, the Bulgarians, obviously, decided to focus on better cars.

[Raven2705]

It’s not fighting, people are fighting. Our equipment, in the conflicts you mentioned, was poured by the local pilots. And what fighters from the Arabs are known.
By the way, the war in Korea in the early 50s showed that, at that point in time, our aviation was not nearly inferior to the Amer, even in something superior. Let the experts correct if I'm wrong.
Regarding Yugoslavia:
Google on which planes the Yugovtsy tried to fight, how many combat-ready ones were and what years these machines were.
And then google what kind of armada (how many) NATO moved on them (including Avax, cruise missiles, etc.) and understand that your comments on Russian technology, to put it mildly, are not appropriate!

[igorj 51]

It’s not fighting, people are fighting. Our equipment, in the conflicts you mentioned, was poured by the local pilots. And what fighters from the Arabs are known.

And how do you comment on this then:
http://shaon.livejournal.com/241278.html...
This operation is known as "Rimon 20" .. Soviet pilots lost 5 aircraft and pilots. The Israelis returned without loss. What, it turns out from the Soviet pilots who fought then, too, the fighters know what ..? And by the way, then not just ordinary pilots were sent to Egypt, but they gathered the best pilots from the Soviet Air Force ...

By the way, the war in Korea in the early 50s showed that, at that point in time, our aviation was not nearly inferior to the Amer, even in something superior.

the technique may have exceeded .. Yes, and pilots with more front-line experience of World War II fought in Korea. And that also means a lot .. And in technology, war certainly decides a lot, but not all.

[Kurare]

Quote: Young_Communist

... that during the period of the Arab-Israeli wars, that in Libya, that in Iraq, that in Yugoslavia. Therefore, the Bulgarians, obviously, decided to focus on better cars.

If you recall, wreck the Vietnam War, where even aircraft of previous generations, such as the MiG-17, could withstand much more modern US technology.

[shoemaker]

In Korea and Vietnam too?

[pytar]

The question is not only that. For the specifics of Bulgaria, you need a fighter, which in Russia is not actually produced. Ultrasonic, lightweight, single-engine, economical to operate. Moreover, having a fairly high performance, for a country with mountainous terrain. I already wrote above that the outpouring of the Bulgarian Defense Ministry fell on the Swedish Grippen. This is exactly what is ideal for our environment. Gene. Radev is well versed in the topic. He is a top-class professional pilot.

[Lavi]

Grippen is an excellent choice.
Knanard provides high maneuverability and landing characteristics, their Swedes laid for the possibility of use from improvised airfields on roads.
Single-engine means both cheaper and less maintenance. And the latest model with very advanced systems. Its capabilities are bordered by the 5th generation.

[Kurare]

... yes, they seem to fly in Syria and Su-30, 34, 35. When Kuznetsov was, the MiG-29K also lit up. And do not forget that there the Su-24 and Su-25 upgraded flew, i.e. exactly what the Bulgarians need: to make the modern out of the old.

[japs]

Bravo, Rodnev!
Give the Bulgarian Air Force a dozen Fu-35!
Ask the Jews how they fly, and go!
Make an installment plan with the Rothschilds for 30 years and the thing is in the hat.

PS And what, with the overhaul of the Mig Polish Poles did not ask? Al take expensive?

[pytar]

Two years ago, Gen. Radev, then the Commander in Chief of the BBB, filed as a result of disagreement with the agreement on joint protection by NATO aircraft in Bulgarian airspace. Radev knows MiG-29 perfectly. He flew on it for many years. Always spoke well of this plane. He personally participated in the development of the concept of modernization of the Bulgarian Air Force. Gen. Radev believes that the Swedish Grippen is better suited to our needs. His opinion is the opinion of an impartial specialist with knowledge and experience on the topic. He is a principle person and a patriot! Reading your malicious, petty comments, I am convinced that Gen. Radev is right. Someone clearly does not like that Bulgaria has chosen the best solution for itself.

[belly]

Do not worry, comrade. Of course, we are offended by the “power”, but few of us really know and understand your conditions.

[pytar]

Yesterday I flipped through the Internet and compared the characteristics of the MiG-29, its latest modification / proudly named / MiG-35 and the Swedish Grippen! What can I say ... With a mass of MiGs 2 times higher than that of Grippen, all the steel characteristics are similar! MiG-35 is no longer a light class fighter! And it doesn’t reach the heavy! This is half blood! Neither cancer nor thing! How long can you rename it and try to sell it as new? With great regret, I note that at the moment Russia does not have an easy and cheap fighter, which is needed for export markets! And even China has one! The Chinese are in the moment developing a light class "Stelt"! We are waiting for news from Russian design bureaus, but so far there is quiet!

[Raven2705]

Quote: Balferov

Of course they would have smiled, but there’s nothing else
Su-24 and Su-25 aircraft
no

These aircraft do an excellent job. And what, in your opinion, should there be cars? Maybe the death star right away?

[Bronevick]

Therefore, it is better to buy one F-35.

[sedoj]

Quote: Bronevick

Therefore, it is better to buy one F-35.

Well, Duc again, only enough money for the exhibition layout. And then, probably, by installments.

[Vector Petrovich]

This is the type of invisibility which

[gloomy fox]

"wise men" always talk like bullshit. Or maybe he got a bribe from the USA, it’s strange that he doesn’t talk about purchases. 35. Maybe then the tanks don’t need to be upgraded but just to a landfill and make new ones and don’t even make repairs at least? cook

[Ru_Na]

It would be better if I didn’t say anything, you look at the clever one!

[blacksia1477]

eggs interfere with a bad dancer .... and the priest does not hurt ..........

[Vladimir SHajkin]

It is better not to argue with rams and fools, otherwise he might think the opposite.

[Vector Petrovich]

In Yugoslavia, the MiG-29s were well shredded.

[lelyk72]

Let's think logically:
1. It is very unlikely that the president of Bulgaria understands aviation. Fact yes
2. In the modernization of MIG-29 you need to invest your living money. The fact is yes.
3. They will give a loan for the purchase of used junk. Paying for which the current president will not, that's for sure. And perhaps it will also get a rollback.
So, NATO planes really. from the point of view of the Bulgarian president, better than instant-29.
And finally, it is unlikely that Bulgaria is going to attack someone. And hardly anyone is going to attack her. So who is actually better, the Bulgarian president is unlikely to ever know.
And if suddenly NATO attacks Bulgaria, like Yugoslavia. so Bulgaria will not help the most super fighter ......

[pytar]

Here is the choice of the Bulgarian Ministry of Defense. In general, we will buy 36 new Gripenov. This is the final decision I hope.

[pytar]

Let's think logically:

1. It is very unlikely that the president of Bulgaria understands aviation. Fact yes

Just President Radev is well versed in aviation! He is a first-class pilot on the MiG-29. For a long time he was also commander of the Bulgarian Air Force. As president, he advocates improving relations with the Russian Federation.

2. In the modernization of MIG-29 you need to invest your living money. The fact is yes.

Of course ... But it’s not worth investing living money in old junk with 30 years ago.

3. They will give a loan for the purchase of used junk. Paying for which the current president will not, that's for sure. And perhaps it will also get a rollback.

Lending is not provided. Money will be from the budget. As for the rollback, it was just this from the side of the Russian consortium of DGC.

So, NATO planes really. from the point of view of the Bulgarian president, better than instant-29.

Swedish Grippen, which we will purchase not NATO. Sweden is not a member of NATO.

And finally, it is unlikely that Bulgaria is going to attack someone. And hardly anyone is going to attack her.

Not going to. And they’re not going to.

As to who is better in fact, the Bulgarian president is unlikely to ever know.

He knows better than anyone who is better. Do not put our president in the cockpit of the fighter so that he can take a picture! He is a military pilot since many years of experience!

And if suddenly NATO attacks Bulgaria, like Yugoslavia. so Bulgaria will not help the most super fighter ......

NATO will not attack. No one will attack us. We have excellent relations with all countries.

[Midshipman-53]

From time immemorial, Bulgarians have been traitors to Russian and Russian weapons. And let them boast of their participation in NATO, express distrust of Russian weapons. God be their judge! Time will tell who is right and who is wrong and whose weapon is stronger ...

[pytar]

That's just not right. Gen. Radev himself is a magnificent pilot on the MiG-29. And always spoke well about this car. Owns it to perfection! But our MiGs are already old. They have respectable respect. They have already served their own. Investing money in their permanent repairs is not worth it. Moreover, according to their characteristics, they do not answer either the time or the specifics of the country. The modernization potential of the MiGs of the first modifications is already tending to zero. Unfortunately, Russia does not now produce the type of light class of single-engine fighters that Bulgaria needs. As far as I know, in the Russian Federation there are such developments, but so far they are in the sphere of conceptual ones.

[Alvul]

Well, as if everything is right. Outdated aircraft. And then the point is with whom it is more reliable. It is too troublesome to get in touch with Russia, which doesn’t help much with what. NATO, they have both interests and economic opportunities to support their allies.

[Vladimir Kargopolov]

Good. May all of ours be destroyed. Now they are enemies, so let them fly on ov shit. It will be easier to shoot down.

[BOS Constantine]

I am engaged in a business that is far from aviation technology. However, there are typical behavioral trends in the market. Many of our southern, southeastern and southwestern peoples of neighbors and people of these nationalities living in the central zone of Russia have a steady desire to appear cool, rich (able to buy a bathrobe and be a baa!), Even if they have no opportunity for it. Even their gait with height 160 and weight 50 - widely spreading legs and elbows. They constantly bother with their inquiries about the product (although all the information is clearly provided), begin to bargain - Well, tell me your last price! Come on for 50 (if the price is 100)! Then they say - No! This is not the right product! Curved, slanting, wrinkled ... Or - Don’t sell, wait, I'm going for the money now! And disappear. But on the other hand, they were “cool customers” for at least an hour. This is an inferiority complex. This should be treated condescendingly as a patient.

[mann-mann]

What is the “Bulgarian nation", this is a mixture of Bulgarians with Ottomans, if you take the DNA, then probably the Slavic genome is on average at least! So this rabble already hundreds of years ago when Russia freed them were not our brothers, they sold us right away in the first world how Turkic tribes do it, who run after those who are more cloaking!

[pytar]

They didn’t spend money on old Soviet junk thirty years ago and accordingly began: "... this is a mixture of Bulgarians and Ottomans, if you take the DNA, then probably the Slavic genome has an average minimum ... this rabble already then ... were not our brothers. .. sold us ... "etc. What kind of brother are you to us? Check first for defects with your chromosome, and then rave about other people's DNA.

[shoemaker]

Avionics will have to be put on planes under NATO standards, so Russia will not be able to help with modernization.

[pytar]

Yes, not only in this problem! Are you willing to do a modernization, a “penny” made by 82, if you can buy something new and much modern for the same money? It is unlikely, unless of course you are a collector of old cars.

[Lucy]

And what are the cab standards?

[Abel]

F-16 is outdated, “Gripen” is practically the same, there is not enough money for the F-35,22. But the existing MiG-21,23 - this is normal, for money and modern

[pytar]

It is Grippen in its most modern packaging that is ideal for the specifics of the country. Ego and we will buy. As far as I am aware of this final solution.

[pytar]

Quote: afrikanez

It was decided to refuse the purchase due to lack of financial resources.

Well, as they say: I would buy an ox, but a priest goal! I do not like the MiG-29, generally sit without aviation, why the hell you need it so “smart”

your comments are “smart”! Thank! Kneaded!

[pytar]

Quote: Solomon Kane

Drink Pliska and listen to Kirkorov, Mr. Rumen Radev.
And there’s nothing to climb into Russian aviation with a pig’s snout ......

It is unlikely that Gen. Radev needs your advice ... He is guaranteed to understand the topic of aviation 1000 times better than you.

[Lucy]

Quote: pytar

He is one of the few pilots performing the “cobra” figure on the MiG-29! Here is a video of his pilotage.

And which pilot will be able to perform cobra on the MiG-29?

pytar You do not show off, from aerodynamics, read the definition of CT, focus, angle of attack. Then watch the video with the figure of a cobra and the figure of a bell.

[pytar]

It makes no difference to me. And it is unnecessary for General Radev to expel from the forum what is more correct and what is not. He understands his work better than anyone else. For me, it’s more important that after much deliberation the Defense Ministry finally decided to update the Air Force. I follow with interest the opinions of our Bulgarian experts. They have rare unanimity: Grippen is the best for the specifics of Bulgaria.

[Lucy]

Here is a Russian-language site. Learn Russian language. Write without an auto translator, so that your writing can be understood.
The present impoverished Bulgaria does not need the FA, although it is equal in territory to the 3-m Moldavia.
The fact that Gripper is more expensive, but better than the MiG-29 is clear to the patriots.
What kind of shys will you buy, and then serve the grippers? Or bell peppers, peas jumped in price?
What will you manage the grippers besides NATO AWACS?

Quote: pytar

It makes no difference to me.

If it doesn’t matter, the bell and the cobra, then change the nickname for a buffoon pea, and continue in the same soul.

[pytar]

I do not crawl online translator. My knowledge of Russian is really not perfect, but I think that anyone who wants to understand what is written and so will understand. All the same, I accept criticism from hunting, as it is in my favor. Lucy... you change your nickname as you wish, but for now I’ll leave my own ...
By topic:

The present impoverished Bulgaria does not need the FA, although it is equal in territory to the 3-m Moldavia.

We need a light supersonic fighter, a wide profile. Grippen is ideal for this goal and as far as I know, its radius of action is even higher than that of the MiG-29. Fuel consumes less, and the combat load is not lower than that of the MiG. An hour flight from Gripen costs 2 times cheaper than on the Falcon 16. The Swedish military doctrine presupposes a minimum of preflight training and departure from unprepared sites. Bulgaria is a mountainous country and this factor matters.

The fact that Gripper is more expensive, but better than the MiG-29 is clear to the patriots.

The calculations of the Moscow Defense Ministry showed that the repair of our 30-year-old MiG-29 will cost as much as the purchase of a similar number of new Gripens. And it will be cheaper than the renovated F-16. At the same time, we get JAG-39 in the latest configuration with the subsequent 40-year guaranteed support. All electronics he will have the last generation. For ergonomics and information awareness, the aircraft is good. There will be a helmet-mounted pointing system of Swedish production. Swedes are very flexible in relation to customer requirements! They do not try to sell him what they have, but remake the party according to the requirements of the client.

What kind of shys will you buy, and then serve the grippers? Or bell peppers, peas jumped in price?

Shish our ... This is not your problem, as I suppose ... But you guessed something! Bulgarian products jumped in price because they have excellent qualities and everything is in order from the ecology! You probably listened to that ecological food products are very popular and expensive in European markets.

What will you manage the grippers besides NATO AWACS?

I am not aware, but I am sure that our experts have thought about this.

[pytar]

Quote: vazxnumx

can Bulgaria generally military aircraft can not afford? it’s easier to buy modern air defense systems - from Russia, they will be better than NATO ones

Aviation has its own tasks and its own air defense. Neither aviation can completely replace air defense or aviation air defense.

[bodzu]

Quote: zivXP

Good. MiGs are not needed - you can sell Syria.

I support. And money to the economy.

[Lavi]

Where did Syria get the money from? If this happens, it will be out of your taxes;)
Have you raised your retirement age? So now the working day will be extended.

[Lucy]

Quote: pytar

I am not aware, but I am sure that our experts have thought about this.

On this site, almost all sofa writers like you are not in the know, but confident.


Naked Bulgaria needs to sow all of Europe with pepper to buy only a carrier for an airplane.

[pytar]

On this site, almost all sofa writers like you are not in the know, but confident.

This is normal. It is unlikely that exactly the experts working in the Moscow Region will be here sharing their opinions. You Lucy not sofas sofas? If not, which one exactly?

Naked Bulgaria needs to sow all of Europe with pepper to buy only a carrier for an airplane.

Why are you so nervous? After all, the problem is not yours!

[Lavi]

Man, I take off my hat to you!
How do you have so much patience to respond to these talented comments? :) :) :)

[Captain Nemo]

Heavy 2-engine cars are certainly good, long-range locators and missiles, a solid fuel supply. For the Russian Federation, with its vast expanses and threats from the oceans, there is no way without them. But the disadvantages of heavy ones are expensive, therefore there are few of them. It is practically impossible to use them outside the basing points, which means that if several airfields are destroyed, they turn into useless targets. Those. high vulnerability to sudden global impact. The hidden base task "stands in all its evil growth." An additional mass light fighter is needed that can be transported in small containers and take off with minimal training from weakly bearing short strips. Otherwise, the air events of the beginning of the war with non-metal will necessarily be repeated. I am glad for the Bulgarians that their presidents are not special in financial speculation, but a normal man. We need to restore order in our homeland, and there you look and other countries will reach us. Well, now there is no modern light fighter in the Russian Federation. And for some reason the Swedes have it. Kindergarten in the comments spread.) So far, around the ruins of the "geopolitical catastrophe", so many more debris to rake. I remind you that Russia is now a capitalist country, and the oligarchs have their flies in their heads. The article itself is base, a typical craft of modern empty-headed journalists.

[Lucy]

Quote: pytar

Why are you so nervous that EVEN YOU CAN'T EAT? After all, the problem is not yours!

Are you also a doctor on the couch and probably operated on with the specificity “F” according to ICD-10?
And what is the problem besides money for agrarian and I repeat the Holozad of Bulgaria?
Probably, you didn’t choose a former military man for president from a good life!
Bulgaria in NATO since 2004
When conducting hostilities using conventional weapons, the alliance will not leave a wet place for the Russian armed forces. Therefore, the Russian doctrine is defensive, and in the plans for the use, including of aviation of the Aerospace Forces, with a ratio of 1:> 3 not in favor of Russia, it is planned to deliver nuclear strikes starting with tactical nuclear weapons.
At the advice of the airdromes, Bulgaria was a gap in the strike of a tactical nuclear weapon on the Griffin-Tomahawk in southern Sicily. Now she herself has become a potential target.
As a result, - to the Bulgarians (who are in NATO) used aviation as a dead poultice, which your president should understand as a former military man.
Austria may allow itself to be fattened, but not poor beggars.
Here's a peacock mawlin.

[pytar]

And you are also a doctor on the couch ...

Oh yeah! Lucy, and what you are on the couch or other furniture, I won’t ask. the topic is not that ...

And what is the problem besides money for agrarian and I repeat the Holozad of Bulgaria?

Do you have your own problems? Here is a frequent use of the word "Holozada" alludes to such ...

and they chose a former military man as president!

Gene. Radev authoritative, charismatic personality. We have military men, and in the Russian Federation from special services. I wish you health and success to both.

When conducting combat operations using conventional means of destruction, the alliance from the Russian armed forces will not leave a wet spot ...

From the whole planet, neither wet nor dry will remain. Guaranteed at 300%! Therefore, the global military conflict will not happen.

In the end, - to the Bulgarians ... what your president should understand as a former military

Have you been advising presidents for a long time? What do they have to understand, etc.?

Austria may allow itself to be fattened, but not poor beggars.

Lucy... you are so caring! speak correctly! it’s fattening!

Here's a peacock mawlin

Yeah! My texts are full with grammatical errors, and yours with ... peacock-mawlins ... Smile!

[Lavi]

Read you pure pleasure! :)