Kravchuk: DNR and LC should be excluded from the Minsk process

The first president of Ukraine, Leonid Kravchuk, said that the Minsk format of negotiations to resolve the conflict in the Donbass should be changed, representatives of the self-proclaimed Luhansk and Donetsk people's republics (LPR and DPR) should be excluded from it, reports "Interfax-Ukraine".

You can leave the Minsk process, you need to thoroughly change, expand, change the powers and composition of participants. There should be no DNR or LC. Since they are there, Russia says that they (in Ukraine) have a civil war. We have to take the Minsk legal platform from Russia so that they do not use the Minsk process against Ukraine

- Kravchuk said on Wednesday at a press conference.

According to him, the Minsk negotiations to resolve the conflict in the Donbass actually solve only the issue of the exchange of prisoners and can not resolve the conflict. In his opinion, the problem is the unwillingness of European partners to take responsibility. Kravchuk stressed that in the West they often do not call Russia an aggressor.

The Minsk agreements were needed one and a half to two years ago. <…> Are they now playing their main role? No. The main goal of Ukraine is to restore territorial integrity, borders and establish Ukrainian power throughout the territory of Ukraine, including Donbass, and eventually Crimea.

- noted Kravchuk.

Comments

[Hagalaz]

Kravchuk must be removed from the opportunity to speak out and carry nonsense!

[maxim947]

Donbass should be excluded from Ukraine, and within its former borders. And much more.

[Teberii]

It is then necessary to exclude Ukraine, to resolve this issue ourselves and to confront the others with a fact. Then everything will move off the ground. Kravchuk, the instigator of the collapse of Ukraine and not tell him.

[cniza]

Wise guy, did he even understand what he said?

[Tatyana]

Leonid Makarovich Kravchuk (Ukrainian. Leonid Makarovich Kravchuk; born January 10, 1934, Volyn Voivodeship, Poland) - 1st President of Ukraine ...

As Kravchuk was the nationalistic pseudo-communist party rot of the Communist Party of Ukraine - so it remained!

[Sergej1972]

And at one time he was the secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Ukraine on ideology.

[Ivan Ivanov]

All the same, it was not in vain that the workers in the departments of ideology did not like

[Slon_on]

He somehow admitted that as a kid he carried lard to feed Bandera. Then to the secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Ukraine "grown up". Here is such a changeling!

[Slovak]

And to whom, besides himself, is this important and who is listening to this heresy?

[kashtak]

Quote: maxim947

Donbass should be excluded from Ukraine, and within its former borders. And much more.

It is wiser to exclude from the composition of Ukraine Bandera like Kravchuk. The question is how to do this?

[antivirus]

evil you will leave me from you
and do not argue with him.
Listen to the opinion of the future honorary rector of the Federal Kolyma University

[kashtak]

Quote: antivirus

Listen to the opinion of the future honorary rector of the Federal Kolyma University

By even professor. And on the odd outhouse to clean.

[Topotun]

Here it is very necessary? After all, this university will be included, including, my tax payments .... Nefik, let it roll to Poland, to its historical homeland.

[antivirus]

yes, clean with our money, at odd
zer gut

[AlexKP]

Well, then Ukraine also needs to be removed from the Minsk process, all the same, it has no weight, it only spoils the big uncles.

[oldseaman1957]

The feeling of some kind of toothlessness is tormenting you, otherwise all sorts of Kravchuk tryndy horrible. And I want you to just think that it is against Russia and - full pants ... Strongly underdeveloped!

[DEPARTMENT]

Quote: oldseaman1957

The feeling of some kind of toothlessness is tormenting you, otherwise all sorts of Kravchuk tryndy horrible. And I want you to just think that it is against Russia and - full pants ... Strongly underdeveloped!

Of what you are right of course, but these are not our methods ... Paying attention to all kinds of mongrels, it makes no sense! Blaming Russia is already “business” in the world ... Worse if this devil and K begin to praise Russia, then the pitchfork needs to be sharpened and prepared

[hrych]

Quote: oldseaman1957

the feeling of some kind of toothlessness, otherwise all sorts of Kravchuk trynd

Those. need to tryndet, like Kravchuk and become teeth They knocked out their teeth in Crimea, but in Ilovoisk-Izvarino-Debaltseve finally, let them grumble further, they can’t do anything else ....

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: hrych

Quote: oldseaman1957

the feeling of some kind of toothlessness, otherwise all sorts of Kravchuk trynd

Those. need to tryndet, like Kravchuk and become teeth They knocked out their teeth in Crimea, but in Ilovoisk-Izvarino-Debaltseve finally, let them grumble further, they can’t do anything else ....

[Venceremos]

Quote: hrych

Those. you need to tryndet, like Kravchuk and become teeth. They knocked out their teeth in the Crimea, and in Ilovoisk-Izvarino-Debaltseve completely, let them grumble on, nothing more ...

They can. Much, more precisely, they were allowed a lot.
Here you are throwing “hats”, and they are “hiding” us from serviceable, normally working armaments, well-trained western specialists.

And we ...

Where, one wonders, NORMAL advisers (in all areas), and not that sheluponthat comes to us to leave the room and leave as a "combat officer" without ever sticking his nose on the "front"?
And such issues, in various aspects of the construction of the aircraft and their management, do not count.

NORMAL ARMY, help build (cry of the soul).

[cniza]

Greetings! , have not been seen for a long time, is everything so bad? ...

[Venceremos]

Quote: cniza

Greetings! , have not been seen for a long time, is everything so bad? ...

Wow, Vit!
While not so much bad, at least until dill popper. But when the trample ...
The training of THEIR personnel in comparison with what was felt by the skin, for the year, compared with ours, has noticeably improved. Beat be healthy
Dill-gunner "hits the pockets", ours, I don’t know what to call them put in a clean field ...
Have dill BMP 2, we have a “penny” ... And if a “deuce” came out from a neighboring baht, then it worked for its own ... You see, the trunk fell from them, some kind of posting came off.
Weak consolation, but at least no one died, the soldier only had his hand shrapnel in shrapnel, but thank God, the hand was saved.

And the feces of this ... Quite often.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Venceremos

Where, one wonders, NORMAL advisers (in all areas), and not the shelupon who comes to us to leave the room

Alas, this is apparently the real average level of the officers of the RF Armed Forces after the Serdyukov defeat of the officer corps.
Plus, we have long-standing learning problems. At one time, Egypt and Syria, after not quite successful results of the fighting, began to abandon advisers from the USSR and began to invite instructors from other countries. For example, the Syrians invited Pakistanis to train in group aerial combat.

[Logall]

They needed Minsk only when they were fried in boilers! If you lower New Russia from the chain, then in Kiev they will again want to talk! But the question is: will LDNR want to?
It is only a pity that in this situation, people will die ...

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Logall

But the question is: will LDNR want to?

I think now many are interested in this question !!!! whether the militias will want to release a huge number of hatskraynikov !!!

[abrakadabre]

whether the militias will want to release a huge number of hatskraynikov !!!

Hataskraynikov may not. But the territory is a must. This is a scarce commodity and, as Mark Twain used to say, it is no longer produced.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: abrakadabre

whether the militias will want to release a huge number of hatskraynikov !!!

Hataskraynikov may not. But the territory is a must. This is a scarce commodity and, as Mark Twain used to say, it is no longer produced.

one attached to another !!!

[Vend]

Quote: oldseaman1957

The feeling of some kind of toothlessness is tormenting you, otherwise all sorts of Kravchuk tryndy horrible. And I want you to just think that it is against Russia and - full pants ... Strongly underdeveloped!

Let tryndit, then there will be something to show. It will turn out funny when it starts to make excuses.

[polev66]

so what's up ? arrange unspoken terror ... take the initiative, be brave not only on the Internet, be like these mongrels

[demo]

Cross out forever from the list of living.

[Pathos]

That’s why it’s nonsense, they were taken to Minsk together with Europe. There were 2 participants Russia and partners from behind a puddle

Py.Sy. A guy bought 10 Greek nuts at the bazaar, one splits empty, the second is also empty, the third, fifth is empty, the last splits the worm in the Georgian cap and says:

[kapitan92]

Quote: Hagalaz

Kravchuk must be removed from the opportunity to speak out and carry nonsense!

Leonid Makarovich Kravchuk (Ukrainian. Leonid Makarovich Kravchuk; born January 10, 1934, Volyn Voivodeship, Poland) - 1st President of Ukraine (December 5, 1991 - July 19, 1994).

People's Deputy of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine of I-IV convocations. Member of the CPSU in 1958-1991, member of the Central Committee of the CPSU in 1990-1991. Member of the SDPU (o) in 1998-2009.
This old man is a shifter, he must let the “whisperers” in his 83 years and nurse his great-grandchildren, but he crawls into politics, they did not forget the Schaub. Reminds silly McCain!

[Plombir]

Chavoyta? May Kravchukcha carry nonsense. Against the background of the great power of dill, he looks funny.

[Skif83]

Better remove it from this universe ...


It all started with these ... Gorbachevs, Yakovlevs, Shevarnadze, Eltsins, Kravchuk, Shushkevichs. Some of this panopticon also spoil the environment ...

[Quetzalcoatl]

You must bury you alive, damn damn thing.

[Alexey Makarych]

Yes, the logic is purely Ukrainian - you can negotiate anything and sign anything. But it should be the way Ukraine wants (more precisely, its current ... getting to the trough, in short.) Such a kind of uncompromising attitude. They completely isolate themselves and continue. I hope they have not long left. The only thing scary is how it goes on ...

[Lopatov]

Therefore, it is necessary to exclude Ukraine from the Minsk process. As the most destructive element. Work with their sponsors

[APASUS]

Each president of Ukraine was engaged only in stuffing pockets!
When he talks about resolving the conflict in the Donbass, it becomes ridiculous, because the country is in a terrible state and there is his fault.
It's time to change the cabinet to the camera!

[himRa]

Quote: APASUS

Each president of Ukraine was engaged only in stuffing pockets!
When he talks about resolving the conflict in the Donbass, it becomes ridiculous, because the country is in a terrible state and there is his fault.
It's time to change the cabinet to the camera!

Moreover, Kravchuk bears personal responsibility for the collapse of the USSR on an equal footing with Yeltsin!
But on the topic :: you need to ask a question after which the Minsk format arose !!!? What led to it?
Then the questions of the First Secretary of the Republican Central Committee of the Ukrainian SSR Party will disappear on their own !!!
Changeling-grabber .....

[Gardamir]

Once Kravchuk expelled Ukraine from the Union. Well now he is against it. to Donbass also expelled from Ukraine?

[volodya]

I wonder what the people of Donbas and Lugansk are to blame if they do not want to live under the heel of the Americans?

[svp67]

The first president of Ukraine, Leonid Kravchuk, said that the Minsk format for negotiations to resolve the conflict in the Donbass should be changed, representatives of the self-proclaimed Lugansk and Donetsk people's republics (LPR and DPR) should be excluded from it,

It is possible, everything can be, even NEEDED, to remove both the Republic and Ukraine from this process. At the same time, removing Germany and France, but invite the United States.
Russia - the USA, here is a completely NORMAL and WORKABLE format. They decide to fight, you mean you will fight, you decide to put up - you mean you will put up.

[cniza]

Yes, they are actually removed, two countries of the USA and Russia will decide, all other extras.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: svp67

The first president of Ukraine, Leonid Kravchuk, said that the Minsk format for negotiations to resolve the conflict in the Donbass should be changed, representatives of the self-proclaimed Lugansk and Donetsk people's republics (LPR and DPR) should be excluded from it,

It is possible, everything can be, even NEEDED, to remove both the Republic and Ukraine from this process. At the same time, removing Germany and France, but invite the United States.
Russia - the USA, here is a completely NORMAL and WORKABLE format. They decide to fight, you mean you will fight, you decide to put up - you mean you will put up.

with whom do Americans talk something ???

[svp67]

Quote: Nikolai the Greek

with whom do Americans talk something ???

And in Ukraine, with whom?

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: svp67

Quote: Nikolai the Greek

with whom do Americans talk something ???

And in Ukraine, with whom?

I’m talking about the same thing ... who don’t enter the format, there’s no one to talk to + Amer’s “democracy” showed that their president costs 0 rubles 0 kopecks !!

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Nikolai the Greek

with whom do Americans talk something ???

Hillary Clinton, for example, is a very talkative old woman. You can get together with her, tug on a glass and chat about the weather, Trump and Russian hackers ...
And indeed with anyone from the current, former or future rulers of the United States.
In the same way and on the same topics. And, alas, at the moment, this is FSE ...

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Captain Pushkin

Quote: Nikolai the Greek

with whom do Americans talk something ???

Hillary Clinton, for example, is a very talkative old woman. You can get together with her, tug on a glass and chat about the weather, Trump and Russian hackers ...
And indeed with anyone from the current, former or future rulers of the United States.
In the same way and on the same topics. And, alas, at the moment, this is FSE ...

Well, that was a conversation about normal conversation, and not about gatherings with breeding of large-scale demagogy, seasoned with Amer’s lies and deceit !!!

[alekc75]

why is this rot Bandera still living?

[svp67]

Quote: alekc75

why is this rot Bandera still living?

Yes, because not on Earth, not in Heaven, it is not needed ...

[CT-55_11-9009]

And in Hell, overpopulation since the time of Einstein.

[Laughtermaster]

404, God forgive me, Ukraine should be excluded from the Minsk process.

[poquello]

Quote: The Laughtermaster

404, God forgive me, Ukraine should be excluded from the Minsk process.

Now it's time, it wouldn’t have been without Minsk

[AVA77]

Gov .... n..a guzzled. As they say, we are what we eat.

[NEXUS]

I don’t understand, idiocy is contagious or what? How can a party that is one of the main parties be excluded from the contract? He sold the country with Yeltsin, and now he crawled out of the hole, with advice ... geek ... Ugh ...

[HEATHER]

Ukraine, or what remains of it, should be excluded from the world. Trash will always be a bit.

[Makarov]

This is senile ... insanity ... no one has ever left him ...

[Settlement Oparyshev]

There was still not enough old enema for VO.

[Nikolai Petrov]

Well, they are simply touched by the statements of such "politicians" on whom nothing ever depended. He would have been quietly retired, nursed with his grandchildren and prayed that they would not remember him. And he is there too. And first of all, it is necessary to exclude the incomplete part 404. But apparently, for the sake of diplomatic etiquette, they communicate with Svidomo representatives through teeth. I imagine the feeling of S.V. Lavrova when dealing with this Banderlog dandruff

[anjey]

Kravchuk is under trial and excluded from the process of free life ...

[kefan]

Kravchuk, and all the other so-called the presidents of the 404th are not much different from each other, where did all this evil come from.

[poquello]

The main goal of Ukraine is to restore territorial integrity, borders and establish Ukrainian power throughout Ukraine

Kravchuk is inadequate, integrity without delegation of power can only be enslaved, and then not at all

[ibn.shamai]

Ponty pounds grandpa Everything will be decided by Russia and the Americans. The case of dill sniff in two holes and do what serious uncles say to them!

[Andrey591]

Kravchuk should be excluded from the number of people living in freedom.

[pani-ria]

with a thorough change - this is interesting. but the main thing is to exclude "Ukraine" from there. and just pass decisions there in Minsk. and do not listen to speeches, but in an orderly manner!

[Reserve buildbat]

Kravchuk removed from the lists of the living, and from the participants in the Minsk agreements to remove Kiev, as an absolutely illegitimate and non-independent unit that does not have the right to vote.

[PValery53]

When and if Kravchuk, for his statements on the Donbass, is gazed at ..., then the settlement process in Donbass will be able to advance in the interests of Donbass. And what do we need the interests of Kiev for ?!

[vanavatny]

press conference ... damn cool to yourself, that’s when the GDP sprinkles with magazine words for several hours, it’s a press conference, and what is crouchuk? and why did I just know that it’s still alive

[Tektor]

The Nazi misanthropic Ukrainian junta must be excluded from the Minsk process, and many problems will be resolved by themselves at once.

[Helicopter122]

The whole problem is solved once or twice.
Does Ukraine agree that there was a criminal regime in the USSR that oppressed peoples?
Yes!
So the laws of the USSR are criminal and are subject to revision and cancellation?
Yes!!
So the territorial borders of Ukraine should be established within the framework of its first statehood. Say from 1919. Of course, no Lugansk, Donetsk, Crimea.

[Egorovich]

Dream idiot, the only thing that can be said about this verbiage.

[Brig]

the first Ukrainian separatist zhzhot, yeah. all in a binder, come in handy.

[Hurricane70]

Here ... Smokes another dirty trick ... With labeled to hell !!!

[Hurricane70]

Quote: demo

Cross out forever from the list of living.

Ice ax ...

[V.V.]

Kravchuk already needs to be excluded from life, that would not stink Bandera shit!

[1536]

It touches me when the former "komunyaki" who destroyed the USSR, are going to expel someone somewhere. The Communist Party in Ukraine was banned. Why does a former member of the CPSU Central Committee have the right to vote there? Or is everything that is being done on this territory an ordinary profanity and fiction?

[LeonidL]

The world behind the scenes nominates people with "skeletons in the closet" as leaders of states - these are easy to manage. Look carefully at the past of the “leaders” from Obama, Åland, Mikron ... to various Kravchuk, Garbuskaite, Polish Nobel laureate "Bolek" and so on. One way or another, everyone has a not very decent "prehistory." At first, the world Zakulis did not object to Putin, believing that he had kept him hooked by the past of the KGB, but miscalculated - this did not work either in the Russian Federation or abroad. That is why the Ministry of Health did everything possible and impossible to stop Trump and now for his Trubli - he is "not systemic", he did not find thoroughly rotted skeletons, so small things about the ladies. Here he is poisoned, trying to "tame" or expel.

[Msta]

Here is another example of the fact that the policy of GDP and its advisers once again did not justify itself. All these negotiations with the Bandera gangs led only to their strengthening, consolidation of the enemies of Russia and great casualties among the Russian civilian population in the Donbass.

[LeonidL]

Kravchuk now can carry any nonsense - pensioners are allowed. It is no longer very adequate - without the DNR-LC, Minsk generally loses its meaning. As a matter of fact, Minsk didn’t and does not have any other meaning as a shirimochka for backstage auctions, because there is neither the desire nor the opportunity to carry it out. The Kremlin will never go to the execution of Minsk: firstly, the execution of Minsk is the loss of face and the surrender of the Donbass, and then logically the Crimea. Secondly, the Russian Federation is not a "participant in the conflict" but only a mediator. Thirdly, the surrender of Donbass brings potential aggressors (in any case, unfriendly countries) to the border of the Russian Federation. Fourth, it provides an opportunity in the future for Ukraine to join NATO and the EU. Nazis simply won’t let Ukraine realize Poroshenko Minsk, even with a great desire - it will end with a coup, the establishment of a 100% Nazi system and even the physical death of Ptroshenko and his team. France and Germany, MNS cannot carry out simplicity, and the fear of a Nazi coup and the establishment of a Nazi regime in the center of Europe is very great. In addition, pressure from across the ocean during Obama’s time and by inertia is continuing now with the aim of having some leverage of “influence” on the Kremlin. Only now in Europe they more and more feel that there is really no leverage and Putin is not yet in sight. And finally, LNR-DNR Minsk for them means a bloodbath and the complete destruction of the entire "separatist" settlement, the administrative apparatus and the armed forces in the first place. Do they need it? No, it is not necessary, and therefore Minsk is not needed.

[fzr1000]

The devil and Yeltsin were already waiting for this old mushroom

[LeonidL]

He is such an oath as Mazepa — that lice were devoured alive, this — in hell, the devils will fry on the volumes of the classics of Marxism-Leninism instead of coal. Mazepa, took an oath to Peter on the cross and the Bible - that is, the seller of Christ. Kravchuk - he swore well there on Capital and the Brief History of the CPSU, probably, but also a traitor.

[japs]

Exceptional include.
Genius.

[Sergej1972]

It seems to me that the Russian Crimea and the Donbass (and even better, Kharkov) are better than the shaky semi-mythical indirect control of the Russian Federation over "the whole of Ukraine."

[Romanenko]

This still Judas, the old senile, too, decided to cut down a little green for his well-fed old age - he sang American songs ...
Trash corrupt!

[earloop]

Strange, these former members of the CPSU and Komsomol! Throughout their conscious lives, they "mowed down as a fool" and, finally, reached the state of a farm fool. From the history of mankind it is known that the territory can be conquered and annexed to itself only after the complete destruction of people, especially the Slavs. living in this territory. But not one conqueror-liberator succeeded. But after such a statement by Leonid Makarych, the people inhabiting the territory are unlikely to have a desire to live with Makarych. It is strange and stupid to make such a statement to the public.

[Lganhi]

Who is he at all? I don’t give a damn about him from the high bell tower. He is nobody and there is no way to call him.

[patriot-rf]

As for me, Ruin should be excluded from the process

[oleggun]

20 idiots put this news + .... The guys live in some kind of parallel universe)

[Turkestan]

I can’t wait until this ANIMAL is responsible for the collapse of the Soviet Union

[Normal ok]

Kravchuk: DNR and LC should be excluded from the Minsk process

Given that even Russia does not recognize LDNR, this is a completely logical idea.