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USA: John McCain incident could be due to sabotage or cyber intervention

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In the US, versions are being put forward regarding the possible reasons for the next collision of a US warship with a civilian vessel Alnic MC. Recall that we are talking about the collision of the destroyer "John McCain" US Navy with a merchant ship in the Malacca Strait. As a result of the collision, the 10 of the US Navy sailors are missing, another five were injured of varying degrees of severity.


Representatives of the US military command have announced that they are considering several versions of the incident, including such as sabotage by individual team members and cyber-interference.

At the moment, the commander of the naval operations of the US Navy, Admiral John Richardson, states that "no signs of cyber intrusion and sabotage have been identified, but all versions will be carefully studied." About this he tweeted, commenting on the process of investigating the causes of the collision of a warship with a civilian merchant ship.

Now the American destroyer is at the Singapore base, where he is examined by experts of the US Navy.

USA: John McCain incident could be due to sabotage or cyber intervention


Meanwhile, a search and rescue operation continues in the Strait of Malacca with the participation of the ships of the Singapore Navy and the United States. Is used aviation. Searches have not yet yielded results.

On the eve of Senator McCain said that we need to pray for the missing sailors.

Recall that the destroyer is named in honor of the two admirals of the US Navy, although in the United States it is generally accepted that in honor of the current senator (former pilot) McCain, too.
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  1. Severok
    Severok 22 August 2017 06: 25 New
    +9
    No, well, you can’t admit that they bored a trader at the intersection of the course and could not imagine the consequences in their arrogance!
    1. Thrall
      Thrall 22 August 2017 06: 26 New
      24
      I am glad that the crew of the oil tank was not injured in the incident. smile
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      2. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 22 August 2017 06: 40 New
        12
        Quote: Severok
        No, well, you can’t admit that they bored a trader at the intersection of the course and could not imagine the consequences in their arrogance!

        Quote: Thrall
        I am glad that the crew of the oil tank was not injured in the incident. smile

        The stump is clear "WE ARE AMERICA" !!!! We are EXCLUSIVE !!! Obama told us this three times a week in official speeches ... Pearl burly, thought the shopkeeper would give in. But the bargainer did not yield for one reason - navigation refused - again, Russian hackers are to blame .... fool And the crew didn’t suffer - again, the Russians are to blame - they are so humane ... And we Americans are tough and furious .....
        Ugh ... After what I wrote on behalf of the Americans, I’ll go wash my hands and brush my teeth ...
        1. sogdy
          sogdy 22 August 2017 07: 10 New
          +4
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          But the bargainer did not concede for one reason - navigation refused - again, Russian hackers are to blame ....

          Finally, he’s an oil tanker, he’s not inferior to anyone, like that lighthouse.
          1. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 22 August 2017 07: 22 New
            10
            Quote: sogdy
            Finally, he’s an oil tanker, he’s not inferior to anyone, like that lighthouse.

            So Americans don’t think about that - they are EXCLUSIVEE, they should all concede to them ....
            And as for me - so their EXCLUSIVITY is only in one thing - in exceptional stupidity and shortsightedness ....
        2. Captain Pushkin
          Captain Pushkin 22 August 2017 10: 16 New
          +2
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          . But the bargainer did not give in for one reason - navigation refused - again, Russian hackers are to blame ...

          Everything is more complicated here. At one sailor from the destroyer, the grandmother regularly listened to Soviet propaganda on the radio, so her granddaughter was brought up with insufficient respect for American values. Result - put the ax under the compass. And the Commander, the first-time commander, the navigator and the helmsman have absolutely nothing to do with it.
          1. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 22 August 2017 16: 50 New
            +7
            Quote: Captain Pushkin
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            . But the bargainer did not give in for one reason - navigation refused - again, Russian hackers are to blame ...

            Everything is more complicated here. At one sailor from the destroyer, the grandmother regularly listened to Soviet propaganda on the radio, so her granddaughter was brought up with insufficient respect for American values. Result - put the ax under the compass. And the Commander, the first-time commander, the navigator and the helmsman have absolutely nothing to do with it.
            God forbid, Peter, words and America in your ears ... After all, they will believe and trumpet the whole world. Yes, and Trump somehow attach here ..... laughing laughing laughing
        3. Analyst
          Analyst 23 August 2017 09: 57 New
          +1
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          The stump is clear, "WE ARE AMERICA" !!!


          Zadornov has long said everything

          1. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 23 August 2017 10: 04 New
            +6
            Quote: Analyst
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            The stump is clear, "WE ARE AMERICA" !!!


            Zadornov has long said everything


            Everything is immediately clear. fool laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing
    2. Duisenbay Bankankulov
      Duisenbay Bankankulov 22 August 2017 06: 39 New
      10
      What do you call a ship, because this downed pilot destroyed and crashed three planes. What is the dog such is the master (Eastern wisdom).
      1. inkass_98
        inkass_98 22 August 2017 06: 46 New
        +7
        Yes, do not repeat the nonsense, not in honor of the living Makkayushki named ship. His grandfather and father bore the same name and were admirals. In honor of the elder John McCain, the destroyer was named.
    3. papas-57
      papas-57 22 August 2017 06: 41 New
      +3
      Cyber ​​Intervention, Cyber ​​Intervention! Do they have a crew of robots? Are there eyes on the watch on the bridge or not? Does anyone look at the radar screens or not? Nobody is looking ahead along the course too?
      1. Topotun
        Topotun 22 August 2017 09: 41 New
        +1
        No, they’ll just look for another Russian trace now ... Again, our hackers tried ...
      2. 97110
        97110 23 August 2017 10: 07 New
        +1
        Quote: papas-57
        Nobody is looking ahead along the course too?

        The insidious tradesman struck “from the port side into the bow of the stern” (yesterday Russia-24 (?) Reported). This is such a tricky method of ramming, even Themistocles used when Salamis. Then it was forgotten due to the difficulty of determining where the stern is at the stern, and America was not at all in the days of Salamis. That was not ready. How many do not look at the radar or at the rate, you will not notice. Such a blow is insidious ...
    4. rpek32
      rpek32 22 August 2017 06: 46 New
      +5
      I remember the button accordion:
      “Spaniards: ... says A-853, please turn 15 degrees south to avoid a collision with us. You are moving right at us, a distance of 25 nautical miles.

      Americans: ... we advise you to turn 15 degrees north to avoid a collision with us
    5. perm23
      perm23 22 August 2017 06: 57 New
      +1
      They are the navel of the earth.
    6. Andrey NM
      Andrey NM 22 August 2017 07: 04 New
      14
      Well, here is a moot point. If the Americans had the starboard side damaged three months ago and therefore there is no question according to the MPPSS, there is interference on the right, then here the damage to the port side and the nature of the movement, the destroyer itself was a hindrance for the trader on the right, unless the Americans intentionally or out of perception made a drastic change your course. If the memory does not change, then with the constant bearing on the target, one of the actions is to change the course by at least 30 degrees, the main thing is not to be mistaken by the side. It is possible that the traders carried the signal "limited in the ability to maneuver" due to rainfall, then they should be inferior to them. Well this is so, reasoning without emotions, an attempt to analyze the accident.
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 22 August 2017 08: 38 New
        +4
        Quote: Andrey NM
        here the damage to the port side and the nature of the movement, the destroyer itself for the trader was a hindrance to the right, unless the Americans intentionally or out of perception made a sharp change in their course.

        Andrew, hello!
        The impression is that Amer decided to abruptly cross the course under the tanker's nose. The traces of the pile are right at the Harpoon rocket tubes, and this is 1 / 3 from the transom board. Amer did not have time to remove the tail!
        Another thing is worrying: they have a collision like the 7-10, they flush people overboard ... Maybe they just weren’t on board by now? And the rest is a cover operation ... They say that washed overboard ... I’m sure that from this group of "fell overboard" they will not find anyone.
        And so, there is a theory of "paired cases."
        IMHO.
        1. Seaman77
          Seaman77 22 August 2017 09: 27 New
          +6
          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
          The impression is that Amer decided to abruptly cross the course under the tanker's nose.

          Judging by the photo of the hole, this is the only explanation. They both came from the east in the same lane. For some reason, the destroyer turned to the left, violating Rule 10 "Navigation by traffic separation systems" and ran into a tanker’s bulb.
          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
          they have a collision, so 7-10 people wash off overboard ...

          They are still on board. They will be found when the water of their flooded compartment is pumped out. The same story as in Figerald.

          Quote: Andrey NM
          carried a signal "limited in ability to maneuver" due to rainfall, then they should be inferior to them.

          Because of precipitation, they set the signal "constrained by their precipitation", but this is not the case. The tanker went almost in ballast, 12000 tons of cargo out of a possible 50000 and the depths are decent there.
          Threat. Two hours later I will pass the same place. I hope no destroyer turns up ... what
          1. Captain Pushkin
            Captain Pushkin 22 August 2017 10: 51 New
            +1
            Quote: Seaman77
            For some reason, the destroyer turned to the left, violating Rule 10 "Navigation by traffic separation systems" and ran into a tanker’s bulb.

            Confuses in this story, as in the previous one, relatively small damage. Given the difference in displacement, both destroyers would have looked more logically cut in half.
            1. igorj 51
              igorj 51 22 August 2017 11: 27 New
              0
              Confuses in this story, as in the previous one, relatively small damage.

              And here we must pay tribute to the Americans. They are able to build good ships, tenacious. you remember how last year the Americans shot their decommissioned old frigate.
          2. Andrey NM
            Andrey NM 22 August 2017 12: 30 New
            +4
            Boa kaa, welcome, Alexander! I think that they have the principles of a biogas study not ours differ. The bulkheads are sealed, the dead personnel "hangs out" in the flooded compartment or room (or whatever they have built and called). Blow at 90 degrees with a bulb. Indeed, judging by the breach, the tanker was in the ballast, the bulb was high. Well, the speed of the tanker was decent. In general, based on its maneuvering characteristics, on a destroyer, such a thing to do is either a deliberate maneuver, or sheer gouging. Or sheer faith in her exclusivity ...

            Quote: Seaman77
            Because of precipitation, they set the signal "constrained by their precipitation", but this is not the case. The tanker went almost in ballast, 12000 tons of cargo out of a possible 50000 and the depths are decent there.

            I only suggested from the photographs and from the meager information that I had. MPPSS reproduced from memory, yet more than 20 years have passed since I stomp the earth :). Be sure to "upgrade" in memory so as not to look pale in front of the current crew hi. Have a nice swim!
    7. forester
      forester 22 August 2017 12: 18 New
      0
      Well, now we can rightfully consider that the destroyer is also named in honor of the senator’s - also with a battered stern laughing
  2. Samy
    Samy 22 August 2017 06: 26 New
    +2
    "including such as sabotage by individual team members and cyber interference." What are Russian spies and hackers here ?!
    1. 210ox
      210ox 22 August 2017 06: 35 New
      +1
      No .. It seems that it’s not Russian hackers .. And the Russian "plumbers" ... They opened the wrong tap .. Or maybe the sea "Ivan Susanin" ...
      Quote: Samy
      "including such as sabotage by individual team members and cyber interference." What are Russian spies and hackers here ?!
    2. demo
      demo 22 August 2017 06: 47 New
      +1
      Waited. Waited. And he waited.
      I thought when did the “trace of Russian hackers” appear in the speeches of American officials?
      Finally! And then I thought that our on vacation.
  3. Logall
    Logall 22 August 2017 06: 28 New
    15
    “John McCain” incident could be due to sabotage or cyber intervention

    Cyber ​​Intervention! Yes! Again we will be to blame! Yes! Hooray comrades!
    They will say that this is practically a declaration of war ...
    1. Thrall
      Thrall 22 August 2017 06: 32 New
      +6
      Becomes already an international fun to “hole” American warships smile
      And as technology spreads, they will begin to cross across due to invisibility.
      1. Logall
        Logall 22 August 2017 06: 36 New
        16
        As a child, we played “sea battle” on paper, and now on a tablet with real ships.
        Thrall G-3 hi
  4. ibn.shamai
    ibn.shamai 22 August 2017 06: 29 New
    0
    Again hackers rushen! belay
    1. NikolaiN
      NikolaiN 23 August 2017 09: 52 New
      +1
      They, these are photos of two who personally received orders from Putin to carry out sabotage ...
  5. NUR
    NUR 22 August 2017 06: 33 New
    +3
    There is already a trade war, merchant ships against the Navy. It is necessary to develop a merchant fleet, it disables warships in peacetime.
    1. Thrall
      Thrall 22 August 2017 06: 36 New
      +1
      Quote: NUR
      There is already a trade war, merchant ships against the Navy. It is necessary to develop a merchant fleet, it disables warships in peacetime.

      You have already built the Flying Ship at Kazakhnauchfilm during the years of the USSR smile
      1. NUR
        NUR 22 August 2017 06: 44 New
        +2
        Yes, together with Belarus we will build ekranoplans and we will launch from the Caspian.
  6. 72jora72
    72jora72 22 August 2017 06: 34 New
    0
    On the eve, Senator McCain, in whose honor the destroyer is named, said
    Well, actually it's not in his honor ........
    1. papas-57
      papas-57 22 August 2017 06: 45 New
      +2
      This is a sign, a black mark to McCain!
  7. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 22 August 2017 06: 38 New
    +1
    sabotage by individual team members and cyber interference.

    Even sabotage is not ruled out, which indicates a not very favorable psychological climate in the team. Well, cyber intervention by a trailer - today, without it, no American puncture can be justified.
  8. Bort radist
    Bort radist 22 August 2017 06: 55 New
    +5
    Well done. Which of our McCain most of all desired everything, everything. Here it is the materialization of thought. CIA probably already woolly site, you look at someone will put sanctions. am
    1. igorj 51
      igorj 51 22 August 2017 11: 31 New
      0
      CIA probably already woolly site, you look at someone will put sanctions.

      Well, for that matter, then here it is necessary to impose sanctions on every second (at least) ...
  9. aszzz888
    aszzz888 22 August 2017 06: 57 New
    0
    ... shaw, and the Democrats are on strikelaughing... they will bring you under politics ... it’s more profitable than presenting actions that led to corpses, to the whole world ... to the captain an oral warning, an extraordinary rank and another vessel bully
  10. Bort radist
    Bort radist 22 August 2017 07: 05 New
    +4
    The most interesting video of the moment of the collision is nowhere to be found, much is no longer available.
  11. igorra
    igorra 22 August 2017 07: 54 New
    +1
    What do you call a ship ...
  12. Evil 55
    Evil 55 22 August 2017 08: 06 New
    0
    The Amerigadians, for their exceptionalism, once again did not consider a small supertanker, only ten to fifteen times more .. to see, they wanted to "cut off his nose", but to show him a shantik, but received a bulb in the building ..
  13. Mel Vlad
    Mel Vlad 22 August 2017 08: 08 New
    0
    they still think that they are glavnyuki.
  14. Alex og
    Alex og 22 August 2017 08: 08 New
    0
    It has long been said about this possibility (most likely the destroyer itself was not “charged", but the tanker): www.external.pro
  15. Vitas
    Vitas 22 August 2017 08: 12 New
    +1
    Version of cyber attack.
    - The tanker on watch for us!
    The officer on duty tries to dodge, but the wheel does not spin, all systems have failed. And even Alt + Ctrl + Del does not help. Definitely it is Russian!
  16. pafegosoff
    pafegosoff 22 August 2017 08: 15 New
    0
    What? Again, a Russian hacker?
  17. zivXP
    zivXP 22 August 2017 08: 23 New
    +1
    Of course sabotage, cards were played on a watch.
  18. Skif83
    Skif83 22 August 2017 09: 46 New
    +2
    ... consider several versions of what happened, including such as sabotage by individual team members and cyber interference.
    Our hackers are UNBEATABLE laughing
    And then their trace!
    FEAR US WE ARE SUCH!
  19. VohaAhov
    VohaAhov 22 August 2017 10: 07 New
    +2
    In boxing terms, the “Fitzgerald” missed a hook on the left, but the “Mac Kane” was kicked in the ass. The crew of the "Mac Kane" fought for survivability. It is evident that he took a lot of water, including due to counter-flooding of the nasal compartments. The destroyer is on an even keel, but it’s noticeable how he “crouched”. If the sea were not so calm, then the consequences would be worse, up to the flooding of the ship.
  20. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 22 August 2017 11: 17 New
    +2
    Something to the 7th Fleet is not a bad thing lately. Already the second
    the destroyer over the summer kisses boisterously with civilians. laughing
  21. Bort radist
    Bort radist 22 August 2017 13: 54 New
    0
    Quote: voyaka uh
    Already the second
    the destroyer over the summer kisses boisterously with civilians.

    Rather, something framed. repeat repeat
  22. gloomy fox
    gloomy fox 22 August 2017 14: 58 New
    +1
    aha still tell that Russian hackers are guilty? self-assured toughness!
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  24. aikon1974
    aikon1974 23 August 2017 04: 50 New
    +1
    As you call a yacht, so she sails.
  25. vlad.svargin
    vlad.svargin 23 August 2017 08: 33 New
    0
    USA: John McCain incident could be due to sabotage or cyber intervention

    The United States is trying to drop discipline in its fleet with the next throw-in of contrived reasons or with the actions of "next" enemies. I am sure they will again come to the conclusion that the Russians are to blame negative
  26. Zheleznostop
    Zheleznostop 23 August 2017 09: 35 New
    0
    Classic))

    Conversation of an American aircraft carrier with a Spanish lighthouse at Cape Finisterre (Galicia).
    Spaniards (clutter in the background):
    - ... Says A-853, please turn 15 degrees south to avoid a collision with us. You are moving right at us, a distance of 25 nautical miles.
    Americans (background noise):
    - We advise you to turn 15 degrees to the north to avoid a collision with us.
    Spaniards:
    - The answer is negative. Repeat, turn 15 degrees south to avoid a collision.
    Americans (different voice):
    “The captain of the ship of the United States of America is speaking to you.” Turn 15 degrees north to avoid a collision.
    Spaniards:
    “We do not consider your proposal either possible or adequate; we advise you to turn 15 degrees south so as not to crash into us.”
    Americans (in elevated tones):
    - CAPTAIN RICHARD JAMES HOWARD SPEAKS TO YOU, USS LINCOLN AIRCRAFT COMMANDER OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, SECOND BY THE MAJORITY OF THE Navy OF THE AMERICAN Navy. We are escorted by 2 cruisers, 6 destroyers, 4 submarines and numerous support ships. I DO NOT ADVISE YOU - I ORDER TO CHANGE YOUR COURSE BY 15 DEGREES IN THE NORTH. OTHERWISE, WE WILL BE FORCED TO TAKE THE NECESSARY MEASURES TO ENSURE THE SAFETY OF OUR SHIP. PLEASE IMMEDIATELY REMOVE OUR COURSE !!!
    Spaniards:
    “Juan Manuel Salas Alcantara is speaking to you.” There are two of us. We are accompanied by a dog, dinner, 2 bottles of beer and a canary, which is now sleeping. We are supported by the radio station and channel 106 “Extreme situations at sea”. We are not going to turn anywhere, given that we are on land and are the A-853 lighthouse on Cape Finisterre of the Galician coast of Spain. We have no idea what place we have in size among the Spanish lighthouses. You can accept everything ... !!! measures that you consider necessary, and do anything to ensure your safety ... !!! ship that will smash into smithereens on the rocks. Therefore, once again, we strongly recommend that you do the most meaningful thing: change your course 15 degrees south to avoid a collision.
    Americans:
    - OK, accepted, thanks.
  27. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 23 August 2017 10: 07 New
    +3
    The guys who are engaged in marine seismic have repeatedly complained that American naval sailors are generally overgrown — they believe that everyone should give way to them, even in violation of the navigation code. For example, if a seismic survey vessel goes along a “profile” with 10 km of braids overboard and meets an American warship, then an American never changes course or speed to miss a ship that is limited in maneuvering and does not answer radio calls at all, forcing the seismic to turn off or change speed, which dangerous for his outboard equipment. I think here they paid for their arrogance ....