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The court refused to arrest turbines in the Crimea, according to Siemens

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The Moscow Arbitration Court accepted Siemens’s lawsuit against Rostec’s structures for the supply of turbines for power stations in the Crimea, preliminary hearings are scheduled for September 18, follows from the information in the file of arbitration cases, reports RIA News


The court refused to arrest turbines in the Crimea, according to Siemens


At the same time, the court refused Siemens to arrest the turbines and to ban their installation, which the company requested as interim measures.
The claim went to 11 July Arbitration. The German concern demands to invalidate the transaction, details of which are not reported in the court materials yet. The respondents indicated VO Tekhnopromexport, VO Tekhnopromexport LLC and Siemens Gas Turbine Technology LLC (Siemens owns 65%, Power Machines on 35%).

Siemens previously stated that four gas turbines were illegally supplied to the Crimea for the project in Taman. At one time, VO Tekhnopromexport, which had been in bankruptcy proceedings since 2016, entered into a contract with Siemens for the purchase of four turbines for a project in the Krasnodar Territory, which was not implemented as a result. VO Tekhnopromeksport, which is building in Crimea two thermal power plants, said that they had bought turbines for them on the secondary market, after which they upgraded them at Russian plants.

The Russian authorities are confident that the turbines were legally in the Crimea, as they underwent a serious rework using Russian technologies: for example, their capacity was increased. In particular, the press secretary of the President of Russia Dmitry Peskov has repeatedly pointed out that the turbines supplied to the peninsula are of Russian origin. Nevertheless, in early August, the European Union imposed sanctions because of the supply of Siemens turbines to the Crimea, under which, in particular, were JSC "VO" Technopromexport ", as well as their CEO.
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  1. 210ox
    210ox 20 August 2017 20: 21
    11
    The fairest court in the world ... This is not tolerant of you in The Hague ..
    1. himRa
      himRa 20 August 2017 20: 27
      +8
      Quote: 210ox
      The fairest court in the world ... This is not tolerant of you in The Hague ..

      Naive Germans! laughing
      1. svp67
        svp67 20 August 2017 20: 36
        +7
        Quote: himRa
        Naive Germans!

        Already hard to blame them. There’s some kind of calculation. We will wait a bit and see ...
        In any case, now on their “heels” great attack “Kawasaki”
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 20 August 2017 21: 50
          +4
          hi That's right, Sergey. And these descendants of Tokugawa, Minamoto and Ashikaga know how to be convincing (especially with striped-starry ears behind their backs).
          1. svp67
            svp67 20 August 2017 21: 55
            +4
            hi
            Quote: bouncyhunter
            And these descendants of Tokugawa, Minamoto and Ashikaga know how to be convincing

            And very annoying when it comes to large profits and the ability to "fly" a competitor
            1. bouncyhunter
              bouncyhunter 20 August 2017 22: 00
              +2
              And where without it? But all with the inherent Japanese warning and polite smile. I just suspect that Kava is far from a Japanese brand.
          2. pvv113
            pvv113 20 August 2017 22: 00
            +4
            Hello Pasha! Star-striped ears themselves are not averse to taking this place in the Russian market wink
            1. bouncyhunter
              bouncyhunter 20 August 2017 22: 03
              +1
              Volodya, good night! hi I about the same - read above. wink
              1. pvv113
                pvv113 20 August 2017 22: 28
                +2
                I read and agree: only the name can be Japanese
                1. bouncyhunter
                  bouncyhunter 20 August 2017 22: 37
                  +1
                  That's it . Yes, not the fact that Siemens is German. I fully admit that this is the struggle of two meager clans for the championship.
                  1. pvv113
                    pvv113 20 August 2017 22: 39
                    11
                    There is a version that Germany is no longer German wink
                    1. bouncyhunter
                      bouncyhunter 20 August 2017 22: 41
                      +2
                      It was between the lines, but you saw it, my friend! As modern youth says: "Respect and respect!" . good drinks
                      1. pvv113
                        pvv113 20 August 2017 22: 44
                        +4
                        As one humble comrade said: I am proud of myself! wassat
                2. bouncyhunter
                  bouncyhunter 20 August 2017 22: 52
                  +2
                  Quote: pvv113
                  As one humble comrade said: I am proud of myself! wassat

                  I think that this comrade does not shine from modesty. lol
                  1. Solomon Kane
                    Solomon Kane 20 August 2017 22: 59
                    +5
                    I do not welcome sleeping in Belarus!
                    1. bouncyhunter
                      bouncyhunter 20 August 2017 23: 05
                      +1
                      Mutually and to the brothers-Russians, Kostya! hi drinks
                  2. pvv113
                    pvv113 20 August 2017 23: 00
                    +2
                    Should not - it is necessary to protect such personnel wink
                    1. bouncyhunter
                      bouncyhunter 20 August 2017 23: 06
                      +1
                      You look, Volodya. yes
                      1. pvv113
                        pvv113 20 August 2017 23: 09
                        +2
                        Will be done! soldier
        2. venik
          venik 21 August 2017 07: 26
          0
          Quote: svp67
          There’s some kind of calculation. We will wait a bit and see ...

          ======
          But why is it incomprehensible ??? Everything is just very clear! Do you think Siemens is so important to get their turbines in the Crimea or not ??? I assure you - they FIG!
          For them now, the main thing is that they themselves do not fly under “sanctions” —that they portray “violent activity” and “complete loyalty” ....... They are to some extent even beneficial if the Russian court sends them to ... ...... But you can say: “you see - we” are white and fluffy, it’s all not us, it is THEY ...... And at the same time, the money (for the turbines) will be accumulated .....
      2. Monos
        Monos 20 August 2017 20: 40
        +5
        JSC "Technopromexport", which has been in bankruptcy proceedings since 2016, entered into a contract with Siemens for the purchase of four turbines for a project in the Krasnodar Territory

        Somehow I imagined bankruptcy differently.
      3. Zibelew
        Zibelew 20 August 2017 20: 48
        +3
        Siemens still offered a buyback. I think so if there is 5 billion euros for a turbine, then the Crimeans themselves will load it, they will also write: "Von der Krim mit Liebe".
      4. Reserve officer
        Reserve officer 20 August 2017 21: 03
        15
        Siemens with this court will simply lose face. It has been said dozens of times that everything that is produced in Russia is Russian. The non-recognition of this and the non-recognition of Crimea by Russian territory is quite enough for a polite offer to go out. Perhaps for Siemens this will end.
        By the way, by the same logic, one can demand the arrest of all foreign cars traveling around the roads of Crimea. The adversaries are dumbing something, such an idea disappears ...
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 20 August 2017 22: 19
          +2
          Lyosha, hello! hi There is a crowding out of Europeans to please mattresses, as I see it.
          1. Reserve officer
            Reserve officer 20 August 2017 22: 27
            +3
            Hello Pasha! Here there is an impudent instruction to the government of the Russian Federation from a commercial-production structure. By the way, production facilities are located in Russia.
            And gas turbine units, if desired, can be produced even on the backlogs of the USSR. They were once produced in the USSR, USA, Germany and Great Britain. Everything else is frivolous. We still have experience and traditions, and there are specialists who, unfortunately, are less and less every year.
            1. bouncyhunter
              bouncyhunter 20 August 2017 22: 34
              +3
              Your words only confirm that mattresses squeeze out competitors and hope to become monopolists (they do not consider us competitors - but in vain!). Time and History will put everything in its place, as if some of our “partners” would not want it. yes
              1. Reserve officer
                Reserve officer 20 August 2017 22: 39
                +4
                Squeezing Germans out of our market, of course, is possible. But I do not think that in this industry we will have close ties with the Americans. Already repeatedly burned. Moreover, the priority in the development and production of turbines has a clear military focus, without, of course, diminishing the energy sphere. So save the creator from all partners.
                Since Soviet times, we have an avalanche of the most beautiful developments, which are still relevant today. I know what I'm talking about. The whole issue is in the production base, here it is completely ruined. Together with machine tools. Almost all CNC machining centers are now being purchased. Here is the weak link. Some messages about the resuscitation of this industry slip through, but something is slowly reviving.
                1. bouncyhunter
                  bouncyhunter 20 August 2017 22: 50
                  +1
                  Quote: Reserve officer
                  So save the creator from all partners.

                  I will not speak for everyone, but I definitely need to stay away from mattressoids.
                  Quote: Reserve officer
                  I don’t think that in this industry we will have close ties with the Americans.

                  “Nafig-nafig” - drunken guests shouted and threw bonnets into the air.
                2. Esoteric
                  Esoteric 21 August 2017 03: 59
                  +3
                  Quote: Reserve officer
                  But I do not think that in this industry we will have close ties with the Americans. Already repeatedly burned.

                  While the outline of the dollar looms over the world, and in the Russian economy everything is measured in these green papers. The close ties of Russian figures (political and economic) are simply inevitable .... stop This does not concern us ...
        2. Yuyuka
          Yuyuka 21 August 2017 01: 13
          0
          Siemens with this court will simply lose face. It has been said dozens of times that everything that is produced in Russia is Russian.

          Maybe it's time to issue a new decree?
          ... Everything that crosses the border is considered to be produced in Russia! laughing

          If one person built, the other will be able to make out forever. (C)
      5. Moore
        Moore 21 August 2017 04: 27
        +1
        Well, the point here is not so much in naivety as in the provisions of the contract. A model contract involves the settlement of disputes in the NP at the location of a party.
        It’s just that they will now have to go all the way from the AS of the subject of the Russian Federation to some international one.
        And during this time, the turbines will already give current to the objects.
    2. RASKAT
      RASKAT 20 August 2017 20: 27
      +6
      After that, Siemens must say, well, since the court said so, we continue to trade further with Russia. The issue is settled. bully
    3. Finches
      Finches 20 August 2017 20: 34
      +9
      Siemens itself is interested in eating a fish and ... sitting down! Too big grandmas, but also hitting serious from the US and the EU! And it seems like there is already an excuse - they did everything they could, but the court refused us ... laughing
      1. Petrol cutter
        Petrol cutter 20 August 2017 21: 04
        +4
        Sew you shorter, not turbines. We are not playing democracy here. The triangle will be drunk. Be it even a parallelepiped! Be it a circle vigorous louse!
    4. Tibidokh
      Tibidokh 20 August 2017 21: 17
      +6
      Quote: 210ox
      This is not tolerant to you in The Hague

      The Tolerast Court in The Hague saved many Russians convicted of lawlessness.
      Our courts "judge" not according to the Law, but according to the blat. Prosecutors, judges, and heads of investigative bodies have long been overgrown with kinship, so it’s almost impossible to get an acquittal for an honest person.
      Read, for example, at your leisure "Mikheev against Russia." Here is an extract from the decision of the European Court.
      An ordinary traffic police officer Alexei Mikheev was subjected to severe tortures in the Nizhny Novgorod police station. A confession of killing a girl was knocked out of him. Criminal investigators first beat him, then tortured him with electric shocks. Unable to withstand bullying, Mikheev confessed to the murder and even drew a diagram of the burial of a corpse. He was also ready to take on other crimes. After the confessions, Mikheev, right in handcuffs, jumped out of the window of the third floor. As a result of the fall, he received a severe fracture of the spine. At 22, Mikheev became disabled, he was paralyzed below the waist. The girl, whom he confessed to during the interrogation, BACK home two days later. Over the next seven years, the victim tried to bring to justice the "torturers in uniform", but the criminal case against them was stopped 20 times. The European Court of Human Rights decided to compensate Mikheyev for 250 thousand euros.

      I ask the commentators in advance not to give an example of a decision on YUKOSU, Katyn and gay parades - these are political decisions that were not the hatred of the geyropeytsy towards Russia (and it certainly exists), but an indicator of the work of domestic lawyers involved in drawing up Russia's response to complaints.
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 20 August 2017 21: 31
        +2
        Quote: Tibidokh
        The European Court of Human Rights decided to compensate Mikheyev for 250 thousand euros.

        That is, he himself jumped out the window and grandmother for that?
        1. Tibidokh
          Tibidokh 20 August 2017 21: 42
          +5
          Quote: Setrac
          he jumped out the window himself and grandmother for it?

          I wanted to explain to you the causal relationship between torture and jumping from the third floor, but I won’t.
          Instead, I agree with you. He himself came to the investigator, gave a confession, and then jumped out of the window. For this, he was given 250 thousand.
          Are you satisfied?
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 20 August 2017 21: 55
            +1
            Quote: Tibidokh
            I wanted to explain to you the causal relationship between torture and jumping from the third floor, but I won’t.

            And you explain he had contact with a failed victim? Maybe he ... doesn’t sew with a bast?
            Quote: Tibidokh
            He himself came to the investigator, gave a confession, and then jumped out of the window. For this, he was given 250 thousand.

            Already given? It does not indicate our country has complied with the order of the European court?
            1. Tibidokh
              Tibidokh 20 August 2017 22: 15
              +2
              Quote: Setrac
              And you explain he had contact with a failed victim? Maybe he ... doesn’t sew with a bast?

              This, of course, justifies the torture and the fact that the criminal case against the monster cops was not properly investigated?
              Quote: Setrac
              Already given? It does not indicate our country has complied with the order of the European court?

              Already given. The country has completed.
              They planted only two Nazi cops, the deputy prosecutor and the head of the UR were at large.
          2. Esoteric
            Esoteric 21 August 2017 04: 04
            +2
            Quote: Tibidokh
            I wanted to explain to you the causal relationship between torture and jumping from the third floor, but I won’t.

            There is a category of users to whom no one can explain anything until they feel like this on their own "fading skin" ... Edros, what to take from them? Forced ideas of others ... fool
            1. Tibidokh
              Tibidokh 21 August 2017 06: 07
              0
              Quote: Esoteric
              There is a category of users to whom no one can explain anything

              drinks
              Quote: Esoteric
              until they feel the same on their own "fading skin"

              Tipun to your tongue. Whatever it was, but you won’t want such a Setrac.
              Quote: Esoteric
              Edros, what to take from them?

              How do you know this, maybe he is an agent of the State Department in general? wink
      2. ZAV69
        ZAV69 21 August 2017 01: 49
        +2
        The European Court of Human Rights drives political decisions 90%. All offended Chechen fighters, oppositionists direct fire there Not a single one has lost. And as they like bulk there ...... They consider out of turn, award huge sums. A simple citizen .... I personally had a need for this court, I will not write the details, the topic is not about that, in general .... not a single lawyer undertook to write a statement, yes, everyone recognized that he had to win, but. ... the chances that the case will be considered 0. I am not in the trend, not an oppositionist, not a mujahideen, just injured by the judicial machine.
        1. Tibidokh
          Tibidokh 21 August 2017 06: 36
          0
          Quote: ZAV69
          The European Court of Human Rights drives political decisions 90%.

          This is not true. Most complaints are filed about inhuman conditions of detention in domestic pre-trial detention centers. The European Court, in which I do not remember which year, indicated inappropriate conditions of detention. However, the state, pledging to change the situation, did not really fix anything nationwide.
          Therefore, the European Court automatically satisfies all complaints about inhuman conditions of detention in the pre-trial detention center.
          There are also a lot of complaints about refusals to initiate criminal proceedings against law enforcement officials.
          But the bulk of complaints are filed for violation of the right to defense.
          Quote: ZAV69
          And as they like bulk there ...... They consider out of turn, award huge sums.

          In our investigative bodies, they are investigating cases that have received publicity and public outcry (for example, a “drunk” boy) are also being investigated instantly, when in a normal situation they could have been ruined and not brought to court.
          Also, the European Court does not postpone the case until tomorrow, when Russia can be bitten today.
          And Navalny ... just like Marie le Pen is impressed by the Russian authorities, the pro-Western Navalny is also impressed by Europeans. Therefore, our bank gave a loan to Marishka’s election campaign, and Europe is making a martyr out of Navalny, hoping to receive, as a result of the hypothetical election of the latter, the concessions that you received from Jude, labeled and drunk, "ponyaaaet."
          With respect!
      3. sogdy
        sogdy 21 August 2017 11: 37
        +1
        Quote: Tibidokh
        After the confessions, Mikheyev jumped right out of the window of the third floor in handcuffs

        Window of the third floor - where? The feds? !!
        So the municipality federals pressed ?!
        1. Tibidokh
          Tibidokh 21 August 2017 15: 47
          0
          Quote: sogdy
          Window of the third floor - where? The feds? !!
          So the municipality federals pressed ?!

          I did not understand anything from what you wrote, but, just in case, I categorically condemn ... laughing
  2. kefan
    kefan 20 August 2017 20: 22
    0
    It was necessary not to accept the lawsuit at all.
    1. svp67
      svp67 20 August 2017 20: 35
      +3
      Quote: kefan
      It was necessary not to accept the lawsuit at all.

      Why? Siemens also paid money for the lawsuit ...
  3. 210ox
    210ox 20 August 2017 20: 25
    +5
    Т
    Quote: 210ox
    The fairest court in the world ... This is not tolerant of you in The Hague ..

    Now the “Semen” will have xivas — I'm not me, and the cunning Russians have surrounded me. In short, there’s nothing to take.
    1. Yuyuka
      Yuyuka 21 August 2017 01: 15
      0
      Quote: 210ox
      Т
      Quote: 210ox
      The fairest court in the world ... This is not tolerant of you in The Hague ..

      Now the “Semen” will have xivas — I'm not me, and the cunning Russians have surrounded me. In short, there’s nothing to take.


      Yeah ... and another request from the Crimean authorities, where it will be written -
      “I ask you to give a kilogram of nails for temporary use.” (C) wassat
  4. corporal
    corporal 20 August 2017 20: 28
    +4
    The court refused to arrest the turbines

    The judge will lose everything that he acquired (overpowered) by overwork and foolishly keeps behind the hill. wassat
    1. Siberia55
      Siberia55 20 August 2017 20: 45
      +2
      And if this judge does not keep everything behind the hill? Or maybe ... what The Kremlin ordered?
  5. svp67
    svp67 20 August 2017 20: 34
    +3
    The court refused to arrest turbines in the Crimea, according to Siemens
    What a surprise. And no one did not wait.
    If at one time Paris was worth mass, now Crimea is worth Siemens.
    1. Solomon Kane
      Solomon Kane 20 August 2017 23: 15
      +7
      Crimea is worth not only Siemens, but also the Huguenots with their Paris and ... in short, it is clear .. lol fellow
      And how many our prisoners of war and interned Soviet citizens took on Siemens in 1943-44, Siemens has to supply turbines for free for 100 years .......
  6. Xxxiiii
    Xxxiiii 20 August 2017 20: 51
    0
    The court refused to arrest turbines in the Crimea, according to Siemens belay
    It would hardly have been otherwise to return billions for turbines; few people would even think of it, even Siemens.lol The experience of France, the Germans apparently did not impress. laughing
  7. Denimax
    Denimax 20 August 2017 20: 56
    0
    I hope all parties are satisfied and the work goes on.
  8. Father Tsar
    Father Tsar 20 August 2017 20: 57
    0
    So buy from these Euro-darts - immediately begin to hang all dogs on us fool
  9. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 20 August 2017 20: 59
    +2
    Long live our court !!! fellow The most humane court in the world!
    Will our European partners be so humane ?! what
  10. Holoy
    Holoy 20 August 2017 21: 01
    +6
    This company must be kicked out of Russia altogether! May all their bribes be given in vain to our officials!
    1. Tibidokh
      Tibidokh 20 August 2017 21: 53
      +2
      Quote: Holoy
      May all their bribes be given in vain to our officials!

      Bravo! So hidden officials still need to be able to criticize. good
      Quote: Holoy
      This company must be kicked out of Russia altogether!

      Siemens AG has opened 19 very large joint ventures in the Russian Federation, so they cannot be “kicked out”. It will be a shot in your leg.
      1. Esoteric
        Esoteric 21 August 2017 04: 10
        +1
        Quote: Tibidokh
        Siemens AG has opened 19 very large joint ventures in the Russian Federation, so they cannot be “kicked out”. It will be a shot in your leg.

        Here, of course, everything is clear, only sometimes it is necessary to cut off a leg affected by gangrene in order to keep the body intact ... But instead of the leg, you can, in extreme cases, adjust the prosthesis ... lol
        1. Tibidokh
          Tibidokh 21 August 2017 15: 58
          0
          Quote: Esoteric
          And instead of a leg, in extreme cases, you can fit a prosthesis

          Sorry, but the prosthetic leg will be imported ... request
    2. himRa
      himRa 20 August 2017 21: 56
      +4
      Quote: Holoy
      This company must be kicked out of Russia altogether! May all their bribes be given in vain to our officials!

      For once I agree with you ... Siemens has been eating up in the Russian Federation for a long time, it is time to update the blood already! wassat
      1. Holoy
        Holoy 21 August 2017 00: 42
        0
        The situation is very curious ... Many people know why we did not have South Korean turbines and not only them! Yes, because South Korea couldn’t adapt then to work with our officials (to give bribes) ... But a well-known company with a well-known country had a long glimpse, even under Gorbachev ... Then the famous automobile brand gave the first bribe, but then Yeltsin already traveled on their cars ... and other firms immediately took over the experience in order to get to our market ... firms from this country immediately took all the profitable places ...

        And now everything can come up, who and how in Russia ended up ...
    3. Vadim237
      Vadim237 21 August 2017 21: 47
      0
      To throw out is to commit suicide, some of the CNC machines have Simens software, most of these machines work in all areas of the defense industry.
  11. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 20 August 2017 21: 06
    +2
    The Germans will be roaming, the Japanese will ride. This court "Siemens" is needed for the "excuse", quarreling with Russia is not profitable for him. laughing
    1. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 21 August 2017 02: 00
      +2
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      This Siemens court is needed to excuse

      So, already when the Germans filed a lawsuit in the Moscow court, it became clear that an act of mockery was brewinglaughing. Well, that's right, vzhinin beat them with their own weapons. Here the main thing to do honest eyes:
      - Do you recognize the scam?
      - No.
      - Well, no and no trial.
  12. Kerensky
    Kerensky 20 August 2017 22: 19
    +2
    And for me, everything is so beautiful:
    1. I buy equipment .... well, let's say, for mounting ....
    2. Things didn’t work out for me (they refused to rent, there are 3 more tire fitting in the neighbors), - he’s a dumbass.
    3. I sell equipment over the Internet to pay off debts.
    4. The buyer carries equipment to the Crimea. He honestly bought it, with all the documents.
    5. The buyer has a lawyer for the manufacturer of the tire fitting equipment. With a statement: "I demand to arrest and prohibit installation, because they did not sell you!"

    Where will this lawyer be sent?
    And then I found a trump place, the stall burned out at the neighbors ... And again I buy equipment for mounting, - well, now things will go! I will not be sold already?
  13. Gardamir
    Gardamir 20 August 2017 22: 36
    +7
    Moscow court? Is this the one that justifies Serdyukov, Vasiliev and others?
    And Peskov is the one whose wife is a US citizen, daughter is a French citizen, and son is a British citizen? ..
    If they are patriots, then what is the fifth column?
    1. ZAV69
      ZAV69 21 August 2017 01: 54
      +1
      And what should Peskov publicly refuse from his daughter, son, and divorce his wife?
      1. Esoteric
        Esoteric 21 August 2017 04: 14
        +3
        Quote: ZAV69
        And what should Peskov publicly refuse from his daughter, son, and divorce his wife?

        He should not work in the Russian state structure ... All the more so in the shadow of the "sun-faced". If "onet" see themselves as citizens of other countries, - "drang nah" there ... lol
        1. twviewer
          twviewer 21 August 2017 04: 36
          +2
          The presence of potential hostages from state carriers. secrets, the local lads are not a concern. Beauties. The spirit captures from the depth and clarity of thought.
        2. Ivan Ivanov
          Ivan Ivanov 21 August 2017 10: 31
          +3
          Quote: Esoteric
          He should not work in the Russian government ...

          It is such a thing that our elite is bourgeois, with one hand fighting for the rights to an international pie with the other, it really wants to integrate into Western comfort and technological level instead of trying to create its own better / more perfect / more organic delay in economic development, despite the successes of several industries. One can’t expect the behavior of young communists and even a reformer king like Peter the Great from the elite.
        3. ZAV69
          ZAV69 21 August 2017 12: 38
          0
          Which side? He must comply with the law on state secrets and that’s all. In general, what secrets can a talking head set to voice the president’s opinion public? Knowledge of secrets by job descriptions is not provided. Does it cope with work? Coping. What does the family have to do with it?
    2. vlad_vlad
      vlad_vlad 21 August 2017 10: 43
      +2
      Quote: Gardamir
      Moscow court? Is this the one that justifies Serdyukov, Vasiliev and others?
      And Peskov is the one whose wife is a US citizen, daughter is a French citizen, and son is a British citizen? ..
      If they are patriots, then what is the fifth column?


      Well, so take it and vulgarize everything.

      in summer, however, the whole charm of the situation - you go to Mercedes, your children study in London, your wife gives birth in the States, money in Switzerland. And you tell people about the fifth column, “let’s repeat it once more” and “rotting west”. And the people of the children listen to you on TV when they come home from work, and then plow the garden - since they don’t have money, the wife gives birth at a nearby emergency room and Lada was bought on credit. And immediately everyone understands - Siemens, the 5th column and the 90s are to blame.

      20 years later, the aged Putin on TV will explain that we won: Siemens left Russia. The 5th column disappeared, now the 6th is to blame. And the 90s are still to blame, but here we work ...
  14. tolancop
    tolancop 20 August 2017 22: 54
    0
    Quote: Gardamir
    Moscow court? Is this the one that justifies Serdyukovs, Vasilyevs and others? ...

    Nah, it's different. You have beguiled the courts.
    Quote: Gardamir
    ... But Peskov is the one whose wife is a US citizen, daughter is a French citizen, and his son is a British citizen? ..

    Having foreign relatives is not a crime. If the FSB has no questions for Mr. Peskov about his relatives, then what do you care?
    1. Esoteric
      Esoteric 21 August 2017 04: 16
      0
      Quote: tolancop
      Having foreign relatives is not a crime. If the FSB has no questions for Mr. Peskov about his relatives, then what do you care?

      So this is the FSB ... But we care about where and on whose content the Russian taxes collected from our salaries and incomes go. And you, by chance, are not Navka?
  15. Kenxnumx
    Kenxnumx 20 August 2017 23: 15
    0
    And that these naive Chukchi guys assumed a different result.
  16. Mentat
    Mentat 21 August 2017 06: 55
    0
    Quote: Esoteric
    Quote: Tibidokh
    I wanted to explain to you the causal relationship between torture and jumping from the third floor, but I won’t.

    There is a category of users to whom no one can explain anything until they feel like this on their own "fading skin" ... Edros, what to take from them? Forced ideas of others ... fool

    What does edros have to do with it? Or communists, or any party at all? Such artificial ear pulling looks sickening. Or is it such a PR from the opposite? No less disgusting.
  17. tolancop
    tolancop 21 August 2017 09: 33
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    Quote: Esoteric
    Quote: tolancop
    Having foreign relatives is not a crime. If the FSB has no questions for Mr. Peskov about his relatives, then what do you care?

    So this is the FSB ... But we care about where and on whose content the Russian taxes collected from our salaries and incomes go. And you, by chance, are not Navka?

    Again a song about the poor use of "our taxes." The mouse will hang from your taxes. Or is your surname Abramovich?
    And before you moan about the taxes collected from you, you should at least a little understanding of economic issues. "..of our salaries and income." Yeah. Apparently, in your understanding, salary is not income, although from the point of view of tax legislation it is very much. And what budget does the PIT (Personal Income Tax) go to? Take an interest at your leisure ....
    FSB is not like that. Taxes are not there ... Ignored ignoramuses and know-it-alls.
  18. Ivan Ivanov
    Ivan Ivanov 21 August 2017 10: 20
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    Okay, the court refused to do the right thing, but once again I want to remind our authorities: this is one of the results of international cooperation in the supporting roles in which the liberals are stubbornly dragging us.
  19. Coronel76
    Coronel76 22 August 2017 10: 14
    +1
    Why BMW, Mercedes, Opel, Volkswagen, Audi are silent, their cars drive in Crimea this is outrageous.