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How to wipe after spitting? Results of the anti-Russian campaign in London

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Quietly and almost imperceptibly a show was held in London about which I would like to say a few words. And about the participants.



Yulia Levchenko (Ukraine) - silver medal, Maria Lasitskene (ANA) - gold medal, Kamila Litsvinko (Poland) - bronze medal. RIA News. © Anton Denisov

They wrote about him not so little, but somehow reluctantly or something. But what was written, and surprised, and outraged at the same time on both sides of the front line.

For those who do not know: the All-Russian Athletics Federation was excluded from performances in connection with the anti-doping scandals of the past.

However, I, at the World Cup someone spoke. I was surprised not by the fact that someone “fought out” for the World Cup, but how it was served. Including the comments of Mr. Mutko, who strenuously pretended that in fact nothing of the kind had happened, everything is fine.

19 people who have been allowed to compete are strong. There is still the whole question - how!

The fact that they performed under the flag do not understand something neutral - this is half an orange.

The IAAF has imposed a ban on the use by Russian athletes of sportswear of the colors of the national flag, symbols of the country should not appear on the body of athletes (you can not dye your hair in tricolor colors, stuff tattoos, jewelry, taping, manicure, etc.).

Russian (?) Athletes have even been banned from using the country's national anthem as a ringtone on a mobile phone. The ban also applies to accompanying athletes who are also forbidden to appear next to the objects of the World Cup with flags. The IAAF checked the appearance of Russian athletes for compliance with the rules; in case of their violations, the athlete would be disqualified.

We will talk about outright disrespect from the "partners" later, for what, in fact, can be expected from the great Anglo-Saxons? But this is really the third question, if not the last.

But reading the words in some notes, you just wonder.

"Russian athletes at the London World Championships in Athletics, speaking under a neutral flag, took command of the ninth place."

Team place u don't understand anyone. The team, if I understand correctly, is when it is just there. Under the flag of their country, with symbols and paraphernalia. With the anthem, in the end, if successful, and raising the flag - in the case of the podium.

It is clear that everyone knows and knows: these are sportsmen from Russia, citizens of the Russian Federation who are “under sanctions”. But why consider the “command place”? They did not represent any team at the tournament. Everyone was on his own, under a white rag with black letters ANA (association of neutral athletes) and with a total prohibition to at least somehow identify their affiliation.

So all these attempts to give the team a few athletes - the desire to make a good face on an absolutely nasty game. But in this regard, we have a professional Mr. Mutko, he is no stranger. The Minister and in bright colors gives an interview about the action in London, and receives participants.

There is no need to talk here about how guilty our athletes are in terms of doping. The fact that they gave a reason is a fact, as well as some kind of muck sounded unequivocally, today in sports, apparently, without it. The only question is who got caught.

That's who should - he got caught.

But I'm not about dope, I'm about the flag.

The first thought that comes to mind is that there is nothing better than this. Impersonal and under incomprehensible rag. Then there comes the idea that sportsmen are not to blame for political intrigues, and so on. And sports life in some sports is very short.

And we should have time. And at the world level in the competition to participate, and, of course, to earn money. As an example, I will cite the statement of the St. Petersburg athlete, the only one of all the athletes of Northern Palmyra who agreed to participate in the winter European Championship under a neutral flag. Anastasia Kalina, champion of Russia in running 1500 meters.

“Of course, I do not refuse the flag of my country! I am Russian, and always ready to play for my team! But what if we do not give such an opportunity? Before the suspension, I managed to play for the national team only in one start. And you want to compete with the strongest runners, to show yourself is a normal desire ”(from the interview“ Sport day after day ”).

Do you all understand the essence? Yes, not all sportsmen think so, fortunately. But here's an example: when everything is fine, tournaments shine, awards, cars from Putin - all are patriots. As soon as the problem happened - as they say in the people, “they separated by the edges”, and all this patriotism is seen in the coffin. Your problems, as they say.

By the way, here you can quite realistically calculate the cost of patriotism and the value of state attributes for each individual athlete. It is possible in rubles, it is possible in dollars.

Well, this is a matter of conscience of everyone. The question is even different. What's next?

All this fuss reminded me of one great movie. “Kin-Dza-Dza!”, More precisely, an episode at the end.

Paczaki, well, you're with the Tzaks and in the cage. But why standing? Standing can be there ... In Russia, for example. And here - on my knees. And in muzzles. And rejoice, rejoice in particular and in general.

They say that everyone understands exactly which country the speakers represent “under a neutral flag”, and each such victory glorifies Russia anyway. It is doubtful, to be honest. Or, as an option, it is simply not clear how and with what such victories can praise our country.

Well, the flag athletes lowered, raised instead of another. Under which "is better than nothing." In the historical context is very similar to the actions of 75-year-old.

There were also people who believed that "it is better this way than it is different." And stood under the flag of the POA. Vlasov.

Say, a tight comparison? Why, if we talk about the flag? It is quite vital. Here are just reinforced soldering bitterly in the throat, then some got up. In the literal sense of the word.

But those who choose dishonor should understand that even if they, at the request of the organizers of the next event, publicly trample the Russian flag, sports sanctions will not be lifted.

Not for that, actually.

But the reinforced soldering under another flag may well and entice. Well, of course, the athletes are not to blame for the fact that they were forced to eat, do not understand what, right? And, in order not to let the talents disappear, you just need to evacuate them. There, where they consume understand that, where they can realize themselves.

The simple approach is this, and far from new. Renounce And everything will be for you. And rations, and new beautiful form, and conditions. Only renounce. And we will help. We will extend the sanctions, we will delay the proceedings, we mix in “new facts”.

Wait, this is just the beginning. Reconnaissance It will be the same in other areas. Without any doping.

After all, there are still scientists, writers, cinematographers - yes, everyone who somehow faces international communication.

Dissertations will turn out to be not the ones that are stolen from books ... And the sentence will still be the same. Renounce Fill with chocolate.

International sport today is a de facto alternative to war. And the battles are going the same way, we are against them. War? Well, yes, while bloodless, but indicative.

A fight without a flag is no longer a fight. If the ship lowered the flag, it means - surrendered. Who needs, besides the participants and specialists, these “neutrals”? Yes to anyone.

Perhaps I’m wrong about something, but for some reason I don’t really care that these “neutrals” win there. Because they are competing for their own sake, and not for the country of which I am a part.

"Oh sport, you WAS the world!"

They spat at us, putting such personal conditions of the participants for ... "neutrals" with the citizenship of Russia, so we call them.

There were those who wiped and went to win. Well, their choice. Let's see under what flags we will see them in a couple of years.

Personally, I consider everything that the organizers at the World Championships in London have pissed off as blatant Russophobia and meanness. Again, waiting for something human from the British is nonsense.

This is war, war on all fronts.

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  1. Basil50
    Basil50 21 August 2017 06: 40
    +43

    Modern gladiators speak only for money. Soon, in addition to the players, all other athletes will be bought and sold. There football players celebrate a loss-win equally. And what? Payment guaranteed.
    Professionalism, in addition to at least initial skills, implies responsibility, and neither athletes nor management have it. And of course * professionals * from sports do not have moral and ethical standards, as superfluous in achieving only their important goal.
    1. svp67
      svp67 21 August 2017 07: 18
      +34
      Quote: Vasily50
      Professionalism, in addition to at least initial skills, implies responsibility, and neither athletes nor management have it.

      But I DO NOT AGREE. Most ATHLETES have it. Since it is they who earn the money our sport lives on. They INDEPENDENTLY pay coaches, doctors and even a bunch of staff from the amount that they receive for winning.
      But the "bureaucrats", they suck this money from them, for NOTHING. Are there such "bureaucrats" do we need?
      1. vladimirZ
        vladimirZ 21 August 2017 08: 03
        +53
        Fighting without a flag is no longer a battle. If the ship lowered the flag, then it surrendered. Who needs these “neutrals”, in addition to participants and specialists? Yes, no one. - from article

        I agree with the author. Performance of athletes “without a flag” and state attributes is a betrayal.
        There is no permission to represent the state - you need to ignore these competitions, no matter how important they are, even though the Olympic Games.
        No need to put in the forefront of "interests" of athletes, "the years spent in preparing for these competitions." International sport is politics, and above all politics, where a particular state demonstrates its flag and its capabilities, its power, if you like. And here the interests of one or several individuals must cede, be suppressed by the more important interests of the country where they live.
        1. cast iron
          cast iron 21 August 2017 11: 48
          +18
          So you are a traitor - the one who votes 25 years for the bourgeois who disgraced the country already below the plinth. You are a traitor who, instead of voting for parties with human ones. programs, lies on the couch and yells foolishly that he is “against everyone. You’re a traitor who gets a gray salary, works for left-handed people, adjusts to the master in violation of the Labor Code and condemns athletes for such actions. You’re a traitor who leads his own business is hiding from taxes and fees by any means .. Continue, moralist?
          1. ss29
            ss29 21 August 2017 20: 42
            +13
            between us. we work together, organized their own LLC. to get 45tp zp you need to pay 20tr of taxes and fees. is this normal at all? do not count 40-45% we give to the state in the form of taxes. therefore, everyone is hiding. here rent an office, a garage, buy tools and equipment, register and pay in the authorized capital (25tr), find an order, give a kickback, then repair and flip taxes 40%, and how did the state help me?
            1. Offspring
              Offspring 22 August 2017 06: 41
              +4
              Eeee, and you do not study for labor protection? You need to learn the craftsmen working in compulsory disciplines and one profile (for builders, as a rule, PTM and five more at least). And also pozh. minimum. Not only that, but also time to spend on organizing and getting crusts. You do not relax with labor protection, but conclude an agreement with a specialist and organize certification of workplaces. And then ....
              1. ss29
                ss29 23 August 2017 23: 46
                0
                sro costs 250tr for three is a lot)
            2. cast iron
              cast iron 22 August 2017 23: 01
              +2
              Between us - you vote for the vampire capitalists further. You will be paid even more taxes by your LLC.
              And if for garlic, then in the same Europe there are more deductions than in Russia. This is a fact of reinforced concrete.
              1. ss29
                ss29 23 August 2017 23: 52
                0
                my conscience is clear, I am for a united Russia and the Liberal Democratic Party did not vote even once. The corporate income tax rate in Germany is 15%. If we also take into account the surcharge for solidarity (5,5% of the corporate income tax base) and trade tax (amounting to about 14%), we can reach the general tax rate on corporate profits at almost 30%. we have as a result about 40% ie in Europe nifiga no more.
        2. 34 region
          34 region 21 August 2017 11: 56
          +35
          08.03/100. Vladimir! I agree with you 80%! How much can you humble yourself before the West? In America, in the XNUMXs they simply boycotted the Olympics! Why can't Russia boycott international competitions? They humiliate us, and we climb, humiliate us, and we climb! Is not this situation disgusting to our leadership? Why should we always be patience? What is this inferiority complex? Why do not we impose sanctions, do not boycott, do not create alternatives ??? We love to talk about a multipolar world, but we stubbornly do not want to abandon the unipolar world and are stubbornly trying to get in with at least a rag! We have no more allies left! Why do they need us! After all, we ourselves are stuffing in the allies of the West! Why be an ally of a footman? It feels like in our leadership, people are morally omitted! And to be a floor rag about which they wipe their legs, this is their normal condition. But then they call themselves LORD! They are morally omitted, not gentlemen! And their place is in the steam ... and not at the helm of the state! hi
          1. Giants
            Giants 21 August 2017 20: 49
            +5
            Quote: Region 34
            They humiliate us, and we climb, humiliate us, and we climb!

            You are absolutely right! They humiliate each of us, but we are not climbing, but those who drive us and our country.
          2. Alikos
            Alikos 21 August 2017 21: 10
            +8
            Quote: 34 region
            08.03/100. Vladimir! I agree with you 80%! How much can you humble yourself before the West? In America, in the XNUMXs they simply boycotted the Olympics! Why can't Russia boycott international competitions? They humiliate us, and we climb, humiliate us, and we climb! Is not this situation disgusting to our leadership? Why should we always be patience? What is this inferiority complex? Why do not we impose sanctions, do not boycott, do not create alternatives ??? We love to talk about a multipolar world, but we stubbornly do not want to abandon the unipolar world and are stubbornly trying to get in with at least a rag! We have no more allies left! Why do they need us! After all, we ourselves are stuffing in the allies of the West! Why be an ally of a footman? It feels like in our leadership, people are morally omitted! And to be a floor rag about which they wipe their legs, this is their normal condition. But then they call themselves LORD! They are morally omitted, not gentlemen! And their place is in the steam ... and not at the helm of the state! hi

            Mudkovskaya system.
            You survive, and you climb! Without soap ...
            And the president is on the side of the wise, otherwise he would have long ago given in the ass
          3. Lev Bronsch
            Lev Bronsch 24 August 2017 21: 49
            +1
            Can boycott, easy! The question is - why? if this is precisely what the Western propaganda machine is seeking? After all, the boycott of the Moscow Olympics was filed as a protest against the entry of our troops into Afghanistan. What does this have to do with sports / doping and so on. - no. It's just a PR action, though well-done. And now a completely different case! Well, we are boycotting - the conclusion of app. Media: Russians are afraid to compete because everyone is doping - we told you !! And it is precisely the performance of ours, really clean (and someone doubts how they were checked?) That allows us to turn into a clowning final at 100m in men where the 2nd deserved 35-year-old wins !!! Carl, he's 35 and he's a sprinter !! dopist from the USA. And believe me, world sports opinion is by no means on the side of such “exceptional.” And maybe our athletes, for example, gave an impetus to the sports arbitration in Lausanne to establish a real real punishment for the dopingist Johaug for steroids !! And then her federation will give the girl as much as 2 months of disco, and the court took 18 and soldered, and according to the law! Oh, what a chic hysteria of all the Norwegian “asthmatics” was, how the dopistist was pouring tears that her life was broken .. And I will say this - I’m satisfied with the ruins of the Reichstag! And let it be partisan neg poison without a flag, uniform and anthem.I'm not a formalist !! Think about it
          4. Offspring
            Offspring 27 November 2017 17: 35
            +1
            And after that they are humiliated to sell gas-oil-timber-salmon coal. You need to teach your children something to them. Yes, and the house in Spain, too ... Not in Sochi de buy so that then there in a strange hymn to swim.
        3. Titsen
          Titsen 21 August 2017 12: 14
          +6
          Quote: vladimirZ
          I agree with the author. Performance of athletes “without a flag” and state attributes is a betrayal.
          There is no permission to represent the state - you need to ignore these competitions, no matter how important they are, even though the Olympic Games.
          No need to put in the forefront of "interests" of athletes, "the years spent in preparing for these competitions." International sport is politics, and above all politics, where a particular state demonstrates its flag and its capabilities, its power, if you like. And here the interests of one or several individuals must cede, be suppressed by the more important interests of the country where they live.


          If neutral athletes are traitors, then businessmen and bureaucrats, then who?

          They drink and eat Russia under worthless slogans and after that they are patriots ?!

          And Sharapova, who lives in Matrassia and the like, are legionnaires, footballers and hockey players - PATRIOTS glorifying Russia?

          "Neutrals" (the term from the article) at least live and work hard (work) in Russia! (they do not belong to bureaucrats and businessmen - they have completely different feeders!).
          1. ArhipenkoAndrey
            ArhipenkoAndrey 21 August 2017 12: 46
            +15
            But I was just disgusted when some Mutki choked about some athletes without a clan and without a tribe, about their successes, but this is not a Russian team - these are private traders who earn points for themselves. I personally do not mind - it is everyone’s business to choose their own home and homeland, for one they have one homeland, for another homeland where it’s sweet to eat and drink deliciously, albeit under the yoke, and so on, the person who has a great a power or a rootless whip, which suits everything, and spitting in your country and humiliating restrictions, the main thing is that you would be noticed and invited to a good salary in the future, and this has nothing to do with sports - this is business and nothing personal.
          2. cast iron
            cast iron 21 August 2017 13: 15
            +2
            And this schizophrenia is like that of the current bourgeois patriots. They all vote together for the ghouls-capitalists, but at the same time they scold and envy the athletes - people from the same people who were lucky enough to earn relatively big money.
        4. De laert
          De laert 21 August 2017 17: 50
          +17
          VladimirZ, and you did not try to look from the other side? People have been training for 3 years to get into professional sports! Investing, often, their own and a lot of money. They put everything at stake, health, time, money, a career. In fact, they only know how to do this (and not for long). In addition to the joy of victory, this is their only bread. Try starting from 3 years old to go to the result, and then break off due to some kind of ephemeral policy. You will not contain this person?
          1. vladimirZ
            vladimirZ 21 August 2017 18: 55
            +9
            People have been training for 3 years to get into professional sports! Investing, often, their own and a lot of money. - De Laert

            They put their work into sports achievements, but there are big doubts about “considerable money”. This money is mostly state, personal money there, compared with state, a scanty amount.
            The state invests in them so that they represent Russia in the big politics of international sports.
            If such athletes do not represent Russia after certain results, but leave for the dough under the flag of another state or for some reason refuse the flag of their homeland, for the sake of professional sports, as a rule in foreign countries, this is not a betrayal.
            Exactly the same betrayal, as scientists learned with state money, and then went abroad for a high salary.
            The mentioned officials and oligarchs, who placed their capital in offshore and foreign countries and defend the interests of other states to the detriment of their own, are also betrayal.
            Such a betrayal is “wrapped” in a beautiful package “to get into a professional sport”, to achieve success in science, to invest money in a profitable business and so on. But by and large, they all contrast their personal success, prepared by the financial, labor costs of the entire state, to the success and achievements of Russia.
            Yes, present-day capitalist Russia, having proclaimed the priority of personal law over public law and interests, has advanced far in distorting patriotism, conscience, the homeland, finally exchanging these concepts for the concepts of a "golden calf", has embedded in people indifference to the pride and honor of the country that nurtured you, to the place of future residence outside one’s own country.
            Why is this done? - For the destruction of Russia, to erode the unity of the Russian (Russian) people, weaken its moral foundations, deprive it of a better human gene pool, turning a single people into a scattered mass of people who are not capable of anything, neither creative work, nor the defense of their state.
            1. rasteer
              rasteer 21 August 2017 20: 12
              +8
              This money is mostly state, personal money there, compared with state, a scanty amount.

              But you, that you can immediately see you are far from real sports ... As long as the child enters the school of the Olympic reserve, the state, except for the coach on the meager salary and the stadium, often gives nothing conditionally free. All that is at the expense of parents and sometimes team sponsors. Forgive the state stadium and the coach, this generally refers not to the sport of the highest achievements, but to mass physical education, but in fact this very state obliged itself to develop. Yes, and after the athlete always spends on himself a lot of money in addition to what the state gives.
              And yes, people mentioned car-type gifts here, but I'm sorry it’s not the athletes who determine what and how much to give them, but the state itself. And corruption from these gifts is often a mile away.
            2. Conrad
              Conrad 21 August 2017 22: 08
              +3
              Quote: vladimirZ
              But by and large, they all contrast their personal success, prepared by the financial, labor costs of the entire state, to the success and achievements of Russia.

              They say they are financing units. And the majority also pays to the state for playing sports.
            3. De laert
              De laert 21 August 2017 23: 32
              +3
              VladimirZ, try to send the child to hockey or football ... equipment (very expensive), training fees, parental time, study time. Nerves, injuries, mistakes and falls. You’re getting ready for about 15 years, and they tell you that you’re not going anywhere.
              Yes, at some stage the state is connected, but then when you show some results.
          2. fox marodeur
            fox marodeur 21 August 2017 20: 45
            +10
            a soldier has been “training” since he was 18, investing health, time, possible earnings in a civilian life, communicating with his parents, and it happens that life is like that. And he does it, in fact, just for the sake of the flag
          3. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 25 August 2017 21: 21
            0
            Quote: De Laert
            You will not contain this person?

            do you offer regret? in general, it humiliates pity. But this situation is simpler. Everyone makes his own choice. The state has not created an alternative. It is much cheaper to organize competitions with the same prize pool at home! You look and the results would be better and calmer at heart and care and pride.
        5. rasteer
          rasteer 21 August 2017 19: 22
          +4
          Quote: vladimirZ
          And here the interests of one or more individuals should be inferior, suppressed by the more important interests of the country where they live.
          I just sob ... sob from the article and from the angry ur comments. Yes, you were bred by the Anglo-Saxons ... like children, dragged into the war in their own field, and you are glad to jump and fight in hysteria. And that no one thinks that the defeat is not that two dozen athletes performed without reference to the country, in this case to ours, but this is not the first and not an isolated case, but they convinced us that Sport is war and politics with all that it implies. But sport is not a war, and if an athlete decided to act as an independent one despite the country's disqualification, this is his right. In the end, he spoke for his honor and conscience, but he could also for the flag of another country. If we consider sport as a policy, then ask how it turned out that we were left behind and swallowed it, we had to go to Vitalik the Unsinkable, and to the Bezalternative, with Dimon ... But blame them against the authorities for shaming, and you can kick it at least safely.
        6. Boris Chernikov
          Boris Chernikov 21 August 2017 20: 34
          +2
          and what is your gratitude for the fact that they refuse to speak? how many names of those who refused to speak do you remember. Not a single one. And about "no need to put interests", well, yes, the athletes are not people, but livestock, which should stand in the stall when woe-writers who cannot run 3 km so as not to suffocate will proudly raise their nose to talk about whether to think about them. Do not think, and at the next world competitions, they, seeing that the native the country doesn’t consider them to be people will advocate for other countries, then what? you’ll go put up world rivers dy and earn medals? I do not think
          1. intuzazist
            intuzazist 23 August 2017 19: 38
            +1
            And what do sports “victories” personally give you ?! NOTHING!!! That is, absolutely !!! Defense products can be used in civilian life, and sports "achievements" where ....................
            1. Boris Chernikov
              Boris Chernikov 23 August 2017 22: 54
              0
              and sporting achievements motivate children to play sports, what increases the health of the people, sporting achievements increase the prestige of the state, enough?
              1. cast iron
                cast iron 24 August 2017 03: 40
                +1
                Exercise does not add health))) That physical education - yes.
                1. Boris Chernikov
                  Boris Chernikov 24 August 2017 19: 41
                  0
                  Exercising correctly enhances health
        7. zarya
          zarya 23 August 2017 08: 15
          +1
          Quote: vladimirZ
          International sport is politics, and above all politics, where a state demonstrates its flag and its capabilities, its power, if you like.


          This is so.

          Moreover, as practice shows, those who sacrificed honor do not stand on ceremony. Even in the West. Not to mention small handfuls of specially bred (to promote betrayal). In general, this is a proven scheme, and elevated to the rank of one of the elements of ideology in the West. So it goes.
        8. Lev Bronsch
          Lev Bronsch 24 August 2017 21: 56
          0
          Oh, what are we all patriotic - "a fight without a flag is no longer a fight." And in the environment, but the flag really is not, and the boots from the killed Fritz are removed and the German carbine is also the identity ?? Not patriotic too? Yes, those soldiers who were fighting our country in boilers, encirclements and blockades defended such a screamer as you would have slapped at a quick and in a minute you would have forgotten this biomass. Because the matter was with them, like our athletes, but one thing is clear with you - to open the mittens wider, but the trouble is, you can’t see the mind)).
      2. Olgovich
        Olgovich 21 August 2017 08: 33
        +24
        Quote: svp67
        But I DO NOT AGREE. Most ATHLETES have it

        And there is responsibility, and conscience, and patriotism.
        And the comparison of athletes with Vlasovites is absolutely inappropriate: Vlasovites are traitors. The athletes did not violate ANYTHING, neither the oath to the state, nor its instructions, nor its orders, nothing !. But the STATE structure involuntarily put them under attack.

        And who determined that not going to the championship is patriotic? Nobody anywhere.

        It would be better who asked (told) -WHERE the promised courts, arbitrations against slanderers of the McClaren or at least their attempts? A-no them. And-silence (and in the media, too) .... And what does this mean?
        1. Diana Ilyina
          Diana Ilyina 21 August 2017 09: 17
          +29
          Olgovich Today, 08:33 ↑ New
          And there is responsibility, and conscience, and patriotism.
          Well, yes, there is, BUT only those who did not go to speak under a white rag ...! All who spoke were actually traitors. And Roman is right a hundred times, let's see under what flag and for which country these athletes will compete in 2-4 years.
          And the comparison of athletes with Vlasovites is absolutely inappropriate: Vlasovites are traitors. The athletes did not violate ANYTHING, neither the oath to the state, nor its instructions, nor its orders, no-thing!
          If for athletes there is no official oath as in the army, then this does not mean that we should spit on the moral and ethical side of the issue. And from a moral point of view, they are no better than any traitor.
          But the STATE structure involuntarily put them under attack.
          What is this ?! Just don’t tell me that RUSADA ... There would be no doping scandal, would come up with something else. Americans, British, Danes and other "civilized" peoples are eating dope buckets and it doesn’t bother anyone! And what, the guys just have a syndrome, do not understand what and general asthma, and therefore they are not only possible, but also necessary.

          So do not la la about poplars here ... This is a deliberate war against Russia and those who caved in and stood under a white rag, the very real traitor who crossed over to the enemy's side under a white flag, period! And no other way. There are no two opinions here and cannot be. You cannot be half pregnant, just as you cannot be half a traitor!

          P.S. Well, yes you are not the first time to whitewash traitors, you are actually doing this in VO!
          1. svp67
            svp67 21 August 2017 11: 17
            +19
            Quote: Diana Ilyina
            P.S. Well, yes you are not the first time to whitewash traitors, you are actually doing this in VO!

            Fiery Dianna, so go and show an EXAMPLE to these "traitors" - give up your salary by quitting your job, you are working for the benefit of the capitalists, how does it fit with your communist views?
            It's time to understand:
            “A professional athlete” is a profession that has a very short experience. And they EARN MONEY by speaking at competitions.
            - these 19 people went to the competition, GETING permission from our Ministry of Sports. They did not betray or violate anyone.
            - World sport, it will be with great pleasure to take ANY OUR BOYCOT, as with this we ourselves will save them from VERY STRONG COMPETITORS.
            1. shark
              shark 21 August 2017 14: 14
              +22
              And let's just put an end to this stupid argument. As BB said - flies separately, cutlets separately. These 19 people represented themselves exclusively. And not our Motherland. Is it bad? Well, here's how someone looks at life. They did not commit a criminal offense, respectively, they are not criminals or traitors. It is a fact. And I hope everyone agrees. But if claims to them from the point of morality? I have. For, there, they stumbled over the loot and sponsorship .. It's like a panel. In fact, they went to the panel, hoping to sell themselves more expensive. This generation is .. Do you imagine Rodnina under a white rag, and Bobrova, and Isinbayev ???? Personally, I don’t! And yet, Stop calling Sharapova (and others like her) a Russian athlete. They have long forgotten Russian too. It reminds me of how Selyuki cling to someone else's glory. Sharapova’s achievements are the achievements of American trainers, massage therapists, and doctors. This is a consequence of developed infrastructures. In addition to genes, there is nothing Russian there. I anticipate a sea of ​​indignation, but understand- abandoning these dubious achievements, we will maintain self-esteem and give the opportunity for real RUSSIAN athletes to show themselves. Yes, let's lose at first. But it will be our losses. And these athletes, under the white rags will not go!
          2. GAF
            GAF 21 August 2017 11: 38
            +20
            Quote: Diana Ilyina
            If for athletes there is no official oath as in the army, then this does not mean that we should spit on the moral and ethical side of the issue

            Recently, in Italy, Belarusian Violetta Skvortsova left the podium when instead of the anthem of Belarus they included some crap allegedly due to an oversight of the organizers of the European Championship. Under pressure, she withstood the scandal - they apologized and repeated the whole procedure from the very beginning. It was thought that if any of these Heroes were in her place, they probably would have chewed the snot silently, however, a medal.
            1. svp67
              svp67 21 August 2017 11: 48
              +3
              Quote: GAF
              It was thought that if any of these Heroes were in her place, they probably would have chewed the snot silently, however, a medal.

              That DO NOT SPEAK FOR EVERYONE ,,,


              1. GAF
                GAF 21 August 2017 13: 04
                +1
                Quote: svp67
                That DO NOT SPEAK FOR EVERYONE ,,,

                Where did you read my words about everyone. And for the examples, thanks
            2. Lev Bronsch
              Lev Bronsch 24 August 2017 21: 25
              0
              Sucks you sir, our athletes know !! Look for yourself judge ...
          3. twviewer
            twviewer 21 August 2017 12: 20
            +5
            deny the flag, the country, humble yourself and obey and then you will get a lot of money ...
            old as the world, but the devil has lawyers laughing
            on topic from 3.02
          4. Olgovich
            Olgovich 21 August 2017 12: 56
            +2
            Quote: Diana Ilyina
            If for athletes there is no official oath as in the army, this does not mean that we need to spit on the moral and ethical side of the issue, and from a moral point of view, they are no better than any traitor

            Who determined what is moral and what is not? Aren't you? belay lol
            NOBODY didn’t forbid them ANYTHING from the state, but on the contrary, ALLOWED to participate in the World Cup.
            And they are not to blame for anything.
            1. Alex ros
              Alex ros 21 August 2017 18: 59
              +7
              Quote: Olgovich
              NOBODY didn’t forbid them ANYTHING from the state, but on the contrary, ALLOWED to participate in the World Cup.
              And they are not to blame for anything.

              Well, in this case, it is not necessary to present all their achievements as a victory for our team. What the hell is the team under a white rag? And what of all athletes, only these nineteen are the most hungry?
        2. Alex ros
          Alex ros 21 August 2017 18: 48
          +1
          Quote: Olgovich
          And what is this talking about?

          This means that you will begin to make excuses, you will be guilty.
        3. fox marodeur
          fox marodeur 21 August 2017 20: 48
          +2
          they didn’t break anything, they just have no moral
      3. zap167
        zap167 21 August 2017 11: 15
        +6
        The government spends more money on them than they earn. They have apartments and cars, and personal doctors. And tell the tales about what they themselves pay to doctors and coaches. Maybe they will believe. Tell me more that they themselves pay for transfers . Accommodation in hotels, meals.
        1. svp67
          svp67 21 August 2017 11: 37
          +3
          Quote: zak167
          And tell tales about the fact that they themselves pay doctors and coaches to children.

          You do not tell tales. They pay. Each of the athletes give a percentage of the winning money.
          Quote: zak167
          Say also that they themselves pay for transfers. Accommodation in hotels, meals.

          No, it’s given to them for free ... And can you imagine how much they have to transfer and pay while they reach the level that they are guaranteed free travel, accommodation and meals? Not everyone comes to this. And if you take these specific athletes, then they could only take ONE accompanying person, so they decided who was most needed, a trainer, a doctor, a massage therapist ... everyone himself.
          I will say more that you consider only the time of their performance. And you will calculate their costs during the PREPARATION. Most of them are now training ABROAD, as only this gives them a chance to compete in top-level international competitions. And you want to say that there they also pay?
          1. 34 region
            34 region 21 August 2017 12: 09
            +6
            11.37. SVP67! And why the hell are they training abroad ?! Does it give them a chance to compete in international competitions !? But Russia has already sucked down that it’s not able to finance its sport !? Well, whose athletes are they then if Russia did not invest a ruble in them? And whose athletes if they are bought in the West? Is Russia going extinct? We can no longer give birth to athletes, not to train, not to finance them? What have we come to? We have all the best in the West! And cars, and computers, and athletes, there are still deputies to buy there and the president! And everything will be in the spirit of today's trend! The West will help us! Even Putin and Medvedev are asking him for help! Like this! Putin himself is not able to raise Russia! All hope to the West! So Ilyin is a thousand times right! This is another deflection under the West! hi
            1. svp67
              svp67 21 August 2017 12: 23
              +5
              Quote: Region 34
              And why the hell are they training abroad ?!

              And this, because OUR OFFICIALS FROM SPORT CREATED SUCH TERMS, which they can not do otherwise. Either there is NO normal base, then for the same base IN THREE DEARLY TAKE, sometimes you won’t fall into international competitions.
              1. twviewer
                twviewer 21 August 2017 12: 39
                +6
                I remember the unfortunate athletes had to unite in survival groups, and the names of these groups were so pitiful Tambov, Malyshevsky, but even this did not help many of these highly moral individuals.
              2. cast iron
                cast iron 21 August 2017 13: 48
                +8
                Poor our professional athletes. Whether it’s a matter of Russian doctors, teachers and engineers, the state provides them with everything as it should! )))) But Yaroslavna’s cry will be heard only on capitalist show-athletes)))) And you will all run to vote for the capitalist Vova.
              3. Alex ros
                Alex ros 21 August 2017 19: 05
                +1
                Quote: svp67
                Quote: Region 34
                And why the hell are they training abroad ?!
                And this, because OUR OFFICIALS FROM SPORT CREATED SUCH TERMS, which they can not do otherwise. Either there is NO normal base, then for the same base IN THREE DEARLY TAKE, sometimes you won’t fall into international competitions.

                Well, just do not need la la. Our biathletes train at home and win international competitions.
                1. rasteer
                  rasteer 21 August 2017 20: 25
                  +4
                  Quote: Alex Ros
                  Our biathletes train at home and win international competitions.

                  Che really what? Half of them are at home a couple of months a year and so romp around the world. And biathlon has long been a sport sponsored state in its financing for tenth roles. It’s almost impossible to get into biathlon without a sponsor or rich parents. The price of normal equipment is too high, and so everywhere in sports from the state the athlete receives a minimum of the rest from sponsors and parents. But where budget billions go annually is another question for other people.
              4. fox marodeur
                fox marodeur 21 August 2017 20: 49
                0
                just because, they want to live where they can afford
              5. Okolotochny
                Okolotochny 23 August 2017 10: 56
                +6
                The sports profession is their choice and their destiny. We in many professions pay little. So what??? Remember the situation in the 90s, the army, organs. Did everyone have apartments, normal conditions of service, timely and decent salary?
          2. cast iron
            cast iron 21 August 2017 13: 44
            +3
            You still tell the tale that Daria Klishina had money to pay for an American coach in the United States, during her many years of trainings in America.
            1. rasteer
              rasteer 23 August 2017 19: 45
              0
              And you tell me that she was training there thanks to the generosity of Vitalik. Sport has long been commerce among serious athletes, serious sponsorship contracts. And yes, all of them spend it differently ... someone buys a Merc, and a hut in the center of Moscow, and someone spends on life and training in the United States, their right. There, in general, she may have a contract with a specific stadium that she trains for free on it, while acting as an advertisement for the stadium. This is quite a common contract for a serious athlete in the West.
          3. Lev Bronsch
            Lev Bronsch 24 August 2017 21: 28
            0
            Here’s a more or less reasonable opinion, and immediately the poop flew into you, and from people who generally have nothing to do with professional sports, I think that they saw banal physical education only on TV ... Is there a discussion with such people ??
      4. Alexander Bushuev
        Alexander Bushuev 22 August 2017 08: 44
        0
        But I DO NOT AGREE. Funds for the upbringing of patriotism, yes, they don’t allocate, but the treasury of Russia (minuscule for a millionaire) pays to coaches, doctors, and even a bunch of maintenance staff, but these "bureaucrats" are stealing like that .. and hard workers-athletes pay extra .... so I'm for patriotism. if I underpay "for patriotism", then I don’t give a damn ?? earned medals there, without a homeland and a flag? - there and stay !!
      5. user
        user 23 August 2017 11: 35
        +1
        They INDEPENDENTLY pay coaches, doctors and even a bunch of staff from the amount that they receive for winning.


        But I wonder who paid all their costs when they were nobody and called them nothing? And then the flag was quite suitable for them. Comparison with Vlasov’s ROA is just a good comparison, and everything else is evil. As for example, the thesis that Vlasov was fighting the commissars is gaining strength now, and so on in the same vein.
    2. Gradus HuK
      Gradus HuK 21 August 2017 15: 03
      +6
      There is such a profession - to sell the homeland!
  2. svp67
    svp67 21 August 2017 06: 40
    +19
    But why consider a "team place"?
    You are a naive person who does not understand anything in "undercover games."
    I would very much like to see the MONEY BOOK of the officials of our track and field federation and the Ministry of Sports of Russia. WHAT ARE THE PRIZE for this "SUCCESS" they wrote to themselves there, with the permission of Mr. Mutko ... After all, they are now saying "foam at the mouth" that "ours", and whether your officials are 19 athletes won MORE medals than the entire athletics team at the last "pre-doping" championship ... Insanity. They put themselves THIS SHAME on merit.
    I will not throw a “stone” at our, nevertheless OUR, athletes. The current situation, when they are OBLIGED to earn money, for themselves and people from their teams, does not give them any other way. But ours, and here is it really ours, "bureaucrats from sports" how much can "blow bubbles"? Why do we need the Ministry of Sports in general, and in particular this federation, which can only receive money, and let them "blow bubbles". Maybe it's time to save on them, but to dissolve, and give their money to pensioners?
    Dear readers, do you think it is time to answer?
    Answer? And is someone ABLE to do this there? It is time to ASK the responsible persons for this and other shame. Here is what time to do.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 21 August 2017 07: 42
      +10
      In this situation, athletes are forced to choose either sports or unemployment. They do not know anything else. And do not blame them for unpatriotism. Because they are not the root cause, but the sports business and officials.
      Quote: svp67
      But why consider a "team place"?
      You are a naive person who does not understand anything in "undercover games."
      I would very much like to see the MONEY BOOK of the officials of our track and field federation and the Ministry of Sports of Russia. WHAT ARE THE PRIZE for this "SUCCESS" they wrote to themselves there, with the permission of Mr. Mutko ... After all, they are now saying "foam at the mouth" that "ours", and whether your officials are 19 athletes won MORE medals than the entire athletics team at the last "pre-doping" championship ... Insanity. They put themselves THIS SHAME on merit.
      I will not throw a “stone” at our, nevertheless OUR, athletes. The current situation, when they are OBLIGED to earn money, for themselves and people from their teams, does not give them any other way. But ours, and here is it really ours, "bureaucrats from sports" how much can "blow bubbles"? Why do we need the Ministry of Sports in general, and in particular this federation, which can only receive money, and let them "blow bubbles". Maybe it's time to save on them, but to dissolve, and give their money to pensioners?
      Dear readers, do you think it is time to answer?
      Answer? And is someone ABLE to do this there? It is time to ASK the responsible persons for this and other shame. Here is what time to do.
      1. Sirocco
        Sirocco 21 August 2017 08: 04
        +6
        Quote: 210ox
        .For the root cause is not they, but the sports business and officials.

        As long as this root cause is at the forefront, in the person of business and money, there is no need to talk about any achievements in sports. My son’s friend, who plays football, was credited to the Olympic reserve (it seems so) and went back, and returned a couple of months later, well, he doesn’t need him there, he doesn’t have the right people with a furry paw, but now the Chinese have invited him, he needs him more than his homeland with bureaucrats.
        Now about doping, if I'm not mistaken, then back in the 30s, all the capabilities of the human body were achieved, and now there is a war of pharmacology, and we lose in it, since our doping is calculated at a time. And in fact, it’s difficult to play with crooks who have seven aces up their sleeve, and they know that they will divorce us in any way ((((((
        1. UAZ 452
          UAZ 452 21 August 2017 09: 41
          +5
          Our "partners" simply took a different path - they did not try to develop undetectable doping, but simply took into the share of sports officials of international organizations who at once sign permits for the use of long-known and perfectly detectable drugs for "medical reasons". And our sports officials, apparently, decided to save money and insulted their higher colleagues in their best feelings, which was perceived by those as an attempt on the sacred - on their wallet. Well, they naturally got what they got.
          Another option is also possible - they brought in as much as everyone, but from the side of our sworn partners we received a much better paid order to "wet them in the toilet." So nothing personal is just a business.
        2. svp67
          svp67 21 August 2017 12: 32
          +6
          Quote: Sirocco
          As long as this root cause is at the forefront, in the person of business and money, there is no need to talk about any achievements in sports. My son’s friend, who plays football, was credited to the Olympic reserve (it seems so) and went back, and returned a couple of months later, well, he doesn’t need him there, he doesn’t have the right people with a furry paw, but now the Chinese have invited him, he needs him more than his homeland with bureaucrats.

          I will tell you more. Now more and more children "from the hinterland and factory outskirts" are forced to leave the sports schools as bandits, as in the dashing 90s. Since there is no money for further professional growth.
      2. zap167
        zap167 21 August 2017 11: 19
        +3
        There is always a choice. And first of all, they are citizens of Russia. They can go to another country and speak for it. And abandoning their country for one speech, this is worse than betrayal.
    2. BAI
      BAI 21 August 2017 12: 29
      +3
      See MONEY OF OFFICERS

      Why watch? just remember when the athletes leave the Olympics and when - the officials. Athletes leave immediately as soon as their competition is over, and officials walk from the first to the last day (of any Federation, (their athletes are gone, but they are)). Before the deadline, no one will fail for a minute.
  3. Kenxnumx
    Kenxnumx 21 August 2017 06: 41
    +8
    Well done, our guys. In such difficult conditions of international pressure, they supported the country's sports honor.
    1. inkass_98
      inkass_98 21 August 2017 06: 50
      +14
      Which country, tell me? A country is a flag, a hymn after climbing a pedestal. And here, the organizers forced to play by their own rules, athletes and their coaches were led to this.
      1. Kenxnumx
        Kenxnumx 21 August 2017 07: 20
        +5
        And what country was defended by the football team of the bakery playing with the Germans and Rukhovites. Maybe there was a hymn or a flag of the USSR. Maybe you, too, will call them Vlasovites.
        1. inkass_98
          inkass_98 21 August 2017 08: 00
          +9
          playing with the Germans and Rukhovites.
          That's just not necessary to confuse the pedals. Nobody drove anyone to London under escort; they didn’t force them to run or jump.
          1. Kenxnumx
            Kenxnumx 21 August 2017 08: 23
            0
            This author is all that can be confused by comparing them with the Vlasovites. And by the way, the bakery team was forced to play under the threat of execution. They defended the honor of the country, even in such conditions. And in London they defended.
            1. zap167
              zap167 21 August 2017 11: 21
              +4
              And in London, they defended the honor of which country. That I have never heard the word Russia there. All about some sort of neutral flag was discussed.
              1. Kenxnumx
                Kenxnumx 21 August 2017 12: 24
                0
                Of Russia. Therefore, they were protected in the rules of conduct. But when they won, athletes from Russia won
        2. Basil50
          Basil50 21 August 2017 10: 48
          +3
          kenu

          About * Dynamo * who played from the Bakery with the Germans a lot of tales and even more myths. And all because before the GREAT PATRIOTIC WAR they successfully played as policemen according to the documents, then they remained in Kiev, it seems like the war did not concern them. They were arranged for the thieves at the Bakery and they continued to play with the Germans. Raised their technical level. The fact that then the Germans and they began to be persecuted is the result of defeats at the front. Then many of those who * were neutral * or believed in * German culture * were raked, who were mobilized for * compulsory work *, who were sent to Germany and who were simply shot. Heroism was invented by these soccer players. I was ashamed of the betrayal of favorites.
          1. Kenxnumx
            Kenxnumx 21 August 2017 11: 03
            +1
            Try to read why the Germans arrested and shot the players. Do not show everyone your dullness.
            1. cast iron
              cast iron 21 August 2017 11: 43
              +1
              When children at the machine tools fainted from malnutrition, and young girls rescued the wounded under shells, the football player played soccer with the Germans. This is five points, I think. Well done !!!! Monument!!!!
              1. Kenxnumx
                Kenxnumx 21 August 2017 12: 26
                +1
                And by the way, do not hesitate to defeat them
                And many others fought for the Germans, knocked on them, worked for them. And you are straight king Solomon who judges all.
                1. cast iron
                  cast iron 21 August 2017 13: 16
                  +4
                  As I understand it, you would also knock on the partisans and work for the Germans for a dry meal)))
        3. Alex ros
          Alex ros 21 August 2017 19: 14
          +1
          Quote: Ken71
          And what country was defended by the football team of the bakery playing with the Germans and Rukhovites. Maybe there was a hymn or a flag of the USSR. Maybe you, too, will call them Vlasovites.

          You would hold your tongue, or else your fists would immediately comb out.
      2. svp67
        svp67 21 August 2017 07: 20
        +15
        Quote: inkass_98
        And here, the organizers forced to play by their own rules, athletes and their coaches were led to this.

        Not the athletes were led, but our bureaucrats. The athlete is FORCED to do this, since this is HIS DIRECT work, and his age on it is VERY SHORT. He is nothing short of a living, not many others can do this. The athlete puts his health, and often life on it. And throwing stones at their garden is at least not right.
        1. inkass_98
          inkass_98 21 August 2017 08: 07
          +7
          And throwing stones at their garden is at least not right.

          Why not fling. That chicken Stepanova / Rusanova, which testified (not from a great mind, but for a substantial reward, I believe) in this doping scandal, and then not having passed any qualifications, was also an athlete. With her activities, she just really “helped” her teammates. Jedem das seine.
          1. Kenxnumx
            Kenxnumx 21 August 2017 08: 24
            0
            No need to breed demagoguery.
          2. cast iron
            cast iron 21 August 2017 11: 42
            +1
            Yes, you quit. They threw a bone to a fool of no hope, she grabbed it. She was paid very little money. Such mongrel Anglo-Saxons are paid at a minimum.
            1. Kenxnumx
              Kenxnumx 21 August 2017 12: 28
              0
              No need at all about her and her husband.
        2. zap167
          zap167 21 August 2017 11: 24
          +3
          It was the athletes who took the lead. Remember when Isymbaev, the great pole-athlete, was not allowed to compete. Here she is a true patriot. And she was not led to act under some kind of flag, and not only she.
          1. forty-eighth
            forty-eighth 21 August 2017 11: 54
            +4
            I have already noticed more than once that the most true patriots in our country are those who themselves live in Monaco or whose children study in London or Paris.
            Better than us, you know, they know how to love their homeland.
      3. LAWNER
        LAWNER 21 August 2017 07: 41
        +3
        It was necessary to raise the flag of St. Andrew
      4. Lev Bronsch
        Lev Bronsch 24 August 2017 21: 30
        0
        I don’t know what the numbers in your nickname mean, if the year of your birth, then the nonsense that you wrote is excusable. If you are older, then you better keep quiet where the discussion goes above your intellect!
    2. Gardamir
      Gardamir 21 August 2017 10: 11
      +2
      country honor
      Do you seriously know what honor is?
      1. Kenxnumx
        Kenxnumx 21 August 2017 11: 06
        +2
        Hunt demogoguyu breed? It’s clear to everyone the representatives of which country were our athletes. And their victories supported the honor of our country more than the nagging pseudo patrioto who called to dig into the hole and not protrude.
        1. Gardamir
          Gardamir 21 August 2017 11: 26
          +4
          Everyone is clear
          And then right, why a flag, coat of arms, anthem?
          Your pseudo-patriots, afraid to set the flag, stuck into the hole.
          You do not know not only about honor, but conscience is unknown to you! Be proud of the consumer.
          1. Kenxnumx
            Kenxnumx 21 August 2017 12: 34
            +1
            Of course, you are closer to barking because of the fence at people who, in a frankly hostile environment with a lot of restrictions, have arrived and even performed quite well. Without the support and infrastructure of national teams. And you dare to bully them. What honor and conscience are you talking about after that?
            1. Gardamir
              Gardamir 21 August 2017 14: 21
              +1
              Without the support and infrastructure of national teams.
              Are you stupid from birth, or did you loot your brains? Who is talking about athletes? It is clear that we are talking about the leaders of Russian sports and not only about them.
            2. Alex ros
              Alex ros 21 August 2017 19: 28
              0
              Quote: Ken71
              Of course, you are closer to barking because of the fence at people who, in a frankly hostile environment with a lot of restrictions, have arrived and even performed quite well.

              But what about the words of one athlete who was afraid that the Russian flag would be handed over to her from the rostrum if she won?
        2. Alex ros
          Alex ros 21 August 2017 19: 23
          +3
          Quote: Ken71
          Hunt demogoguyu breed? It’s clear to everyone the representatives of which country were our athletes. And their victories supported the honor of our country more than the nagging pseudo patrioto who called to dig into the hole and not protrude.

          What is demagoguery? The honor of the country is supported by the flag of their state, by the performance of the anthem of their state after the victory, and so they supported a white rag.
    3. Alex ros
      Alex ros 21 August 2017 19: 11
      +6
      Quote: Ken71
      Well done, our guys. In such difficult conditions of international pressure, they supported the country's sports honor.

      They supported their pants, not the honor of the country.
  4. Moore
    Moore 21 August 2017 06: 50
    +23
    The old truth: whoever chooses between war and shame is a shame, he gets both shame and war.
    And sports bureaucrats, yes, just a tourniquet. Mutko, who has screwed up everything that is possible on the post of minister, is Deputy Prime Minister. Aircraft Federation - some people with reduced social and political responsibility.
    The one that without the prefix "vice" - this action fully understands and approves.
    It will not be surprising if at the last moment we spit in the face about OI-2018.
    1. svp67
      svp67 21 August 2017 07: 21
      +6
      Quote: Moore
      The old truth: whoever chooses between war and shame is a shame, he gets both shame and war.

      And there is. But there is no fault of our athletes. Here the pure fault of "functionaries from sports"
      1. Moore
        Moore 21 August 2017 07: 44
        +7
        Quote: svp67
        But there is no fault of our athletes.

        Actually a difficult moral and ethical question. The country with this flag and coat of arms paid for conditionally “our” athlete to become an outstanding athlete. After this, should the athlete feel responsibility for the representation of this country, the demonstration of the flag and anthem?
        Here each chooses his own. Belorussia leaves the pedestal, the Chinese skaters ignore the reassignment of the Americans. Our rejoice earned Eureka.
        1. svp67
          svp67 21 August 2017 11: 12
          +4
          Quote: Moore
          Here each chooses his own. Belorussia leaves the pedestal, the Chinese skaters ignore the reassignment of the Americans. Our rejoice earned Eureka.

          And here you distorted ... Has the Belarusian athlete and the Chinese figure skaters refused the monetary reward?
          Why do you offend our athletes. It’s time to understand that now a professional athlete is the SAME profession, as a turner and miner. They EARN MONEY, putting their health on it.
          1. cast iron
            cast iron 21 August 2017 11: 38
            +7
            They earn inadequate money, bringing much less benefit than a miner, doctor or plumber. For that matter, then most professions are the systematic destruction of their health day by day.
        2. zap167
          zap167 21 August 2017 11: 27
          +3
          Our athletes turned out to be morally weak. They didn’t have the courage to accept refusal to speak and preserve the honor of the country. But they preferred to give up everything that reminds them of their belonging to the Russian Federation during the competition.
    2. Kenxnumx
      Kenxnumx 21 August 2017 07: 21
      +8
      Such a country. Power in chocolate for any failure. Including sports.
      1. Flinky
        Flinky 21 August 2017 07: 37
        +2
        "Power" is always and everywhere in chocolate. People do not change.
        1. Kenxnumx
          Kenxnumx 21 August 2017 07: 43
          0
          Ours remain in their places after any failures.
          1. Flinky
            Flinky 21 August 2017 08: 27
            0
            Cronyism is a universal trait.
        2. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 21 August 2017 11: 31
          +1
          People do not change, but they are sometimes changed. 1937 year.
        3. cast iron
          cast iron 21 August 2017 11: 37
          0
          There were a couple of disinterested people who tried to change people. Even they did not succeed. Mankind is doomed to nuclear war and self-destruction.
          1. Alex ros
            Alex ros 21 August 2017 19: 44
            0
            Quote: cast iron
            Mankind is doomed to nuclear war and self-destruction.

            So maybe a tear? Why pull it?
            1. cast iron
              cast iron 22 August 2017 23: 05
              0
              Do you have a black case? )))
    3. cast iron
      cast iron 21 August 2017 11: 40
      +8
      And you know, I personally really hope that they will spit on us in 2018 and cancel the championship. A great blow to our bureaucrats will be. Very cool! And I don’t feel sorry for the millionaire footballers. They earn more in a year of shameful games than a surgeon in all their lives saving people.
  5. Vasya Vassin
    Vasya Vassin 21 August 2017 06: 51
    +17
    I have one question. Why do we need such a commercial sport, according to the rules of others? Why does the state invest so much money in this nonsense, like "sports development"? What does it give? Health does not add, rather, the number of cripples multiplies. There is no economic return either. We are well aware that all these teams do not live on the money of viewers or sponsors from advertising, but on the funds of the largest monopolies. As they walked across the field, they will and will not give a damn about the full or empty stands in the stadium.
    1. UAZ 452
      UAZ 452 21 August 2017 09: 33
      +3
      For the Roman Empire, the Colosseum and gladiatorial battles were no less important than roads and legions. Big sport, especially its playing forms, occupy the same niche in society. However, it is also true that the gladiators of Rome did not save the barbarians.
    2. cast iron
      cast iron 21 August 2017 11: 35
      +3
      Sport is a show for sheep - 95% of the electorate, which is given completely to EdRosam every 4-5 years with special pleasure. The electorate likes DO NOT THINK. Read Dunno on the Moon - there was such an Island of Fools, where fools had fun every day and did not think about anything. Everything is written there about modern Russia.
  6. Hoc vince
    Hoc vince 21 August 2017 06: 52
    +1
    It seems that only Russia behaves decently and humanly ...
    1. Kenxnumx
      Kenxnumx 21 August 2017 07: 22
      +8
      Our propaganda may not create such a feeling
      1. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 21 August 2017 11: 34
        +2
        Western propaganda generally cultivates pederasty
        1. Kenxnumx
          Kenxnumx 21 August 2017 12: 35
          +1
          Well, someone that hurts .... And you read the Western periodicals. In what languages.
      2. Alex ros
        Alex ros 21 August 2017 19: 48
        0
        Quote: Ken71
        Our propaganda may not create such a feeling

        Your propaganda? Is that star-striped?
    2. Boris55
      Boris55 21 August 2017 09: 41
      0
      Quote: Hoc vince
      It seems that only Russia behaves decently and humanly ...

      If something swims like a duck and quacks like a duck - this is a duck.
  7. inkass_98
    inkass_98 21 August 2017 06: 55
    +19
    I had a double feeling from this circus: they spat in us, and spat from the heart. And the very first impulse I personally had was this: to send to Benin's mother all the competitions organized according to similar rules. And it is right. We must remember the boycotts by the American delegation of the Olympics-80 and the return “hello” to Los Angeles-84, as well as all other events of a similar scale. This is a state position from which it is impossible to retreat.
    But the second feeling: God is the judge of those athletes who took part in the games of near-sport dealers. And let them not be surprised then, if suddenly the official team for the next championship will be formed without them.
    1. svp67
      svp67 21 August 2017 07: 25
      +18
      Quote: inkass_98
      I had a double feeling from this circus: they spat in us, and spat from the heart.

      PITCHED? Yes, we SHARKED at the very top. They demanded that Isenbaeva be removed, we removed ... Well, she’s so “uncomfortable” ... Now they demand to RECOGNIZE McLaren’s report, although it is already clear that he is in many respects FAITHFUL, but they demand HIS FULL RECOGNITION and PAY FOR EVERYTHING . That is, PAY and REPENT.
      And I expect with fear that our "bureaucrats" AGREE. It will be the perfect end.
    2. cast iron
      cast iron 21 August 2017 11: 33
      +1
      We have no other athletes and never will. So athletes are not going anywhere. In the capitalist world, everyone thinks of himself and makes money as best he can. So do not you judge them.
  8. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 21 August 2017 07: 22
    +15
    Mutko has long deserved not only resignation, but also all-Russian contempt. Such a “miracle” at the head of Russian sports is only at hand to ill-wishers. So who are we working for?
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 21 August 2017 09: 48
      +3
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Mutko has long deserved not only resignation

      Our surnames once went from the nicknames of our ancestors. Our wise ancestors were. At least with Mutny they were not mistaken ...
    2. Alikos
      Alikos 21 August 2017 11: 02
      +2
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Mutko has long deserved not only resignation, but also all-Russian contempt. Such a “miracle” at the head of Russian sports is only at hand to ill-wishers. So who are we working for?

      Mutko on Putin
    3. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 21 August 2017 17: 12
      +4
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Such a “miracle” at the head of Russian sports is only at hand to ill-wishers. So who are we working for?

      Yes for himself, beloved, he works. At one time, as the president of “Zenith”, the uncle annealed, in the literal sense. It was the case, in the “silver”, 2003, we lost our SRES, 1: 7. Duc, Mutko was ordered ... to burn a videotape with the recording of the match. Chess, shaman! Well, in certain circles, to this day, it is generally accepted that from that moment "everything went." laughing And it’s not really recalled that the first Russian championship of “Zenith” happened already under Fursenko (by the way, now he has returned to the club). But Mutko ... since then has been strongly associated with the smell of burnt plastic. yes
    4. Giants
      Giants 21 August 2017 21: 02
      +2
      You know very well that this figure taught the main body of the country to ski. So no one will remove him from the post of minister.
  9. Flinky
    Flinky 21 August 2017 07: 33
    +7
    Steamed already, leave the athletes alone. Their sports age is very short, each performance counts, and for each paid by their own health. Would be ashamed to mutter from the sofas. Yes, only shame, as I see it, is simply unknown to some ...
    They did what they could. Because our sports bureaucrats cannot do anything at all.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 21 August 2017 09: 50
      +3
      Quote: Flinky
      Because our sports bureaucrats cannot do anything at all.

      How can they not? Look how they have been putting Russia in a siu pose for years.
    2. cast iron
      cast iron 21 August 2017 11: 31
      +6
      Leave the players alone - they play or they can. Leave the bureaucrats alone - they manage as they can. Leave the oligarchs alone - robbed as they can. Leave everyone alone and enjoy life and work for the "master."
      1. Flinky
        Flinky 21 August 2017 12: 46
        0
        For the first time I hear our players playing under a neutral flag.
        A typical womanish trait is to bring everything together.
        1. cast iron
          cast iron 21 August 2017 13: 20
          +2
          In my opinion, for the first time you hear about our current football. This is about that football which somehow for very big grandmas, stolen from the population since 1991.
          1. Flinky
            Flinky 21 August 2017 14: 10
            0
            I’m not interested in football at all - so, a mimic crocodile.
            Continue, your opinion is very important to me.
  10. then
    then 21 August 2017 09: 04
    +6
    Friend is known in trouble. You can be principled and shoot yourself in the foot, especially with a pan on your head, or you can support athletes, at least mentally. Now the main thing is to save athletes and in their person sports of the highest achievements. And then morning will come and there will be a day. The rest is all emotions.
    1. cast iron
      cast iron 21 August 2017 11: 30
      +7
      And what do we care about the sport of the highest achievements? He does not bring dividends to ordinary people. Earn units and related structures. Moreover, there are entire classes of athletes who even earn contrary to. For example, our football players! They get paid a lot of money for a level 10 league game in England (if any).
      However, in a country of victorious wild capitalism and nascent feudalism with elements of a caste society, this is normal. What the rams wanted in 1991 was what they got. No pity.
  11. Seraphimamur
    Seraphimamur 21 August 2017 09: 20
    +4
    What can you do live in the commercial era, in the age of commercialization of sports. Athletes even sell their conscience: spit on their homeland, personal exaltation is more important. The defective upbringing of this generation is to blame. The same is true in the world of art. Recall Eurovision. In fact, sport has become a show business. Where business is, there is money. Money and patriotism are opposite concepts.
    1. cast iron
      cast iron 21 August 2017 11: 27
      +1
      Why is it the opposite? Where there is money - there is patriotism)))) And how patriotism was laid on both sides during the 1st world imperialist war)))))) People in millions are like rams to slaughter in a meat grinder at their own request for the glory of capital! ))))) Anyway, expensive !!!
      The funny thing is that rams like this situation - they throw a bone in the form of an iPhone, a laptop, available porn and a choice from Chinese clothes. They are happy))))
      1. B.T.V.
        B.T.V. 21 August 2017 13: 22
        0
        Quote: cast iron
        The funny thing is that rams like this situation - they throw a bone in the form of an iPhone, a laptop, available porn and a choice from Chinese clothes. They are happy))))


        And you, do not use these "bones" ?!
        1. cast iron
          cast iron 22 August 2017 23: 07
          0
          Where to go? I don’t live in a cave.
  12. UAZ 452
    UAZ 452 21 August 2017 09: 30
    +6
    Looking at the photos of the winners at the beginning of the article, you understand that not only the representatives of Russia, but also Poland, Ukraine, and even ANA were not on the podium. Toyota Wins! Well, then why break the spears?
  13. steelmaker
    steelmaker 21 August 2017 09: 43
    +4
    The article has the right word - dishonor!
    1. cast iron
      cast iron 21 August 2017 11: 25
      0
      For whom you vote, he rules the ball.
  14. Gardamir
    Gardamir 21 August 2017 09: 45
    +7
    Still, the minuses were canceled in vain. Pluses would be more significant. From me to you, Roman, a triple plus for the fact that this topic was raised, and for how emotionally everything was written.
    For "wise men" who say why this topic is in. This is patriotism. We really spat, and we, as always, have worn off in recent years!
  15. steelmaker
    steelmaker 21 August 2017 09: 54
    +5
    Evil is man-made, evil will always be evil, for it is not for nothing that they say that our life is a struggle!
    Anger and curses will not lead to good if the circumstance happened - be fair.
    The wisdom of our life must be understood - since it is unbearable - we must retreat.
    The retreat is not cowardice, this is also a move, this is a time for reflection, this is the way forward!
  16. Altona
    Altona 21 August 2017 10: 01
    +5
    Quote: 210ox
    In this situation, athletes are forced to choose either sports or unemployment. They do not know anything else. And do not blame them for unpatriotism. Because they are not the root cause, but the sports business and officials.

    ------------------------------
    In general, an athlete is a thoroughbred animal, displayed for the competition and he should not have any moral position. He should take care only that his ligaments, muscles, tendons can compete. And what label, flag or beeper on his carcass is not important. Only sport, only loot. By the way, I was struck by one lady who sold an SUV donated by the country for her victory. I sold the award to solve the housing problem, you see.

    Here is a moral position.
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 21 August 2017 11: 08
      0
      As follows from your words, then you are not a thoroughbred animal, which you can’t even sell an SUV, not given to you by the country?
    2. cast iron
      cast iron 21 August 2017 11: 24
      +3
      Are you surprised that you were not presented with an SUV? Or maybe you are surprised that a Russian athlete knows how to calculate expenses and income and wisely changed a money vacuum cleaner (premium car) for real estate? Have you been tested for bile by a doctor?
  17. SpaceCom
    SpaceCom 21 August 2017 10: 16
    +14
    It is surprising how much you can write on a topic, the essence of which is two paragraphs:
    1. We were not allowed
    2. Separate irresponsible elements, instead of sitting at home and sulking the whole world, did not appear under their own flag.
    Yes, “Us Rat!”, Because OUR athletes, speaking under the flag of a strange country, only emphasize the situation of people who continue to fight despite sanctions. It is much worse when they appear under the flag of another, accept someone else's citizenship and often water the remaining slop. And so everything, and most importantly, We see Who and How is speaking!
    And stop whining "Wow, what a bad WADA, how the UN turned into a puppet of the USA, what a bad State Department - put your government in Ukraine!" Maybe you need to do it all yourself !? Objectively, we are weak ... First of all, because of the very ones that are not there, but we must hold on. And perform !!! Instead of sitting in a locked room and repeating the mantra "We are the best in everything" .... And lose. Because only competition (and in all areas) shows the true state of affairs
    1. Kenxnumx
      Kenxnumx 21 August 2017 12: 37
      0
      It is a pity that I can put only one plus.
    2. goblin xnumx
      goblin xnumx 23 August 2017 17: 16
      0
      but what about the skater from Korea then? - the hero is a traitor to his country? - but here he is a hero ... duplicity in the country gives rise to duplicity in everything, leave the sports out, let them run, they don’t know otherwise, look for the source of smells and process in another place, the fish will tell ...
  18. AID.S
    AID.S 21 August 2017 10: 17
    +5
    I’m evaluating the situation with ours, no, with “our athletes” at the World Cup, in Crimea. This is as if, after statements about the voluntary choice of Crimeans, we would hold a new referendum under the leadership and control of the OSCE, PACE, of course, in the end, "taking the 9th team place."
    I agree with the author, "something went wrong." In sports, “Crimea is surrendered” and the West decides what to do next.
  19. SCHWERIN
    SCHWERIN 21 August 2017 10: 21
    +4
    Muddy Everything .... With all the tricks of the West against Russia, I think that the collective Mutko also lies with the blame. Not everything seems pure with doping with us. You can blame the Americans, they say addicted to doping. And if you knew why you hadn’t talked before and didn’t require checks from WADA? Keep quiet ... But they beat not those who stole, but who got caught! And they thought it would blow, we don’t touch them. And how the propaganda machine - TV, journalists, got to its full potential. And it was too late. I get the impression that our propaganda works for the people of Russia and not for those against whom it is directed. This and endless shows about Ukraine, Poland and others. Fattened Ukrainians and Poles are tired of worse than the bitter radish. What is the efficiency of these shows?
    As for the athletes. This is not their fault. People train, spend money preparing for performances. And then stop, restricted to travel abroad under the flag of the country. And what should they do?
  20. lightning
    lightning 21 August 2017 10: 31
    +4
    If I got a gold medal. I would definitely be photographed against the background of the ANA flag. For the story. In my opinion this is cool. Proof that the Russians are afraid. And no matter how they try to sue them, they still win.
    And the fact that the defeated will consider that they did not lose to the Russians, it is self-deception that does not paint them at all.
  21. Dmitriy51
    Dmitriy51 21 August 2017 10: 49
    +2
    Traitors and citizens of "low social responsibility."
    Why they were shown on TV, I still do not understand.
    I hope they don’t get any budget funds.
    1. 34 region
      34 region 21 August 2017 12: 28
      +3
      10.49. Dmitry! Here, under the flag of which country they appeared, let this country finance them!
  22. NordUral
    NordUral 21 August 2017 11: 04
    +4
    It's disgusting, to be honest. And such as turbidly, so drive a filthy broom from the government. Although it’s muddy. the entire government is almost at full strength.
  23. midshipman
    midshipman 21 August 2017 11: 11
    +6
    All questions are rightly posed by Roman. I support him. I have the honor.
  24. zap167
    zap167 21 August 2017 11: 12
    +4
    For such athletes, the words Motherland and patriotism have long been meaningless. Everything in the world is on sale, and they are no exception. It is interesting how they will tell their children that they once betrayed their Country for the sake of their ambitions. For it is not to be called otherwise. When an athlete refuses everything that is connected with Russia (symbolism, anthem, etc.), moreover, consciously, and then happily returns to this country, it cannot be called a betrayal.
    1. forty-eighth
      forty-eighth 21 August 2017 17: 08
      +3
      Here the athlete runs, jumps, trains. Defend the honor of the country is preparing.
      And at one fine moment, a conditional one comes up to him and says: “Listen, they rolled a barrel on you, well, they forbid you to speak. I’m supposed to defend you from office, but I’m too lazy, and I don’t know how.” May Hart "is the most that I can do. In short, stay at home because it’s unprincipled to appear under a neutral flag. I don’t have money? Well, I don’t know, I have a salary every month and it doesn’t depend on your results. I’m your financial question don’t hesitate at all. Well, take it, steal it, go into business. In short, I’ll go, there are a lot of cases, I have to discuss with your European bureaucrats who have removed you, come on!
  25. cast iron
    cast iron 21 August 2017 11: 20
    +1
    After the author of the article called Mutko "master" it became extremely clear that everything was densely mixed in the head with a little bit of everything. The author is 5 years old and he does not realize that he lives in the world of MONEY. Athletes earn loot - no one in capitalism will feed them with a spoon. And their age is very short. For the capitalists, a good performance of athletes in various shows of "modernity" is a guarantee of distraction of the people from the class struggle. The rise of the under-educated "personalities" of capitalist bourgeois patriotism in the style of hat-making and the complete disconnection of the brain. Professional sport is an element of a propaganda brainwashing machine. The population must believe that they live in a COMMON HOME with the capitalists and must be ready to defend the capitalists (oh, excuse me, the "common homeland") at the first call of Kiselev or someone else.
    What can I say? Vote further for EdRosov and Vova Putin. They will not fail))))
    1. AID.S
      AID.S 21 August 2017 12: 30
      +4
      Quote: cast iron
      The population must believe that they live in a COMMON HOME with the capitalists and must be ready to defend the capitalists (oh, excuse me, the "common homeland") at the first call of Kiselev or someone else.
      What can I say? Vote further for EdRosov and Vova Putin. They will not fail))))

      And our population is so stupid that in any case it rises and defends our Motherland. Whoever she is with. If only the leadership did not betray.
      1. cast iron
        cast iron 21 August 2017 13: 22
        +2
        No, not in any. In 1917, an uneducated herd was brought to the handle. What did he want to fight for the rich ghouls.
        1. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 21 August 2017 17: 09
          +1
          The king was weak, but in 41 - 45 they showed to the whole world what it is when the king is
  26. Altona
    Altona 21 August 2017 12: 32
    +1
    Quote: NordUral
    As follows from your words, then you are not a thoroughbred animal, which you can’t even sell an SUV, not given to you by the country?

    ---------------------
    It amazes me how you can sell an award.
    1. Freeman
      Freeman 21 August 2017 19: 20
      +1
      Altona Today, 12:32
      It amazes me how you can sell an award.

      The car is not a reward, but a bonus.
      You, too, when you receive an award at work, do not hang it on a wall in a frame under glass.
      And there are many cases when athletes sold their medals to give money to charity. And no one condemns them for this.
  27. Altona
    Altona 21 August 2017 12: 36
    +1
    Quote: cast iron
    Are you surprised that you were not presented with an SUV? Or maybe you are surprised that a Russian athlete knows how to calculate expenses and income and wisely changed a money vacuum cleaner (premium car) for real estate? Have you been tested for bile by a doctor?

    ------------------------------------
    Well, apparently nothing surprises you. You welcome the "life wisdom" of the athlete (s). Therefore, do not be surprised when the powerlifting champion is killed by the under-athlete of the mixfight while lying down. These are links of one chain. The lack of sports ethics always leads to such results when a trained animal needs to kill a person with delivered blows in order to express himself. .
    1. cast iron
      cast iron 21 August 2017 13: 25
      +4
      It amazes me how an adult man (whether he is an athlete or not) walks in deliberately hot places intended for degenerates, drug addicts and prostitutes.

      It will not surprise me at all that the national leader who killed the Russian powerlifter will be put on probation for a couple of years. Our nationalities are loved and respected. Vote for EdRo and the capitalists further - the only way we win)))
  28. Olgachm
    Olgachm 21 August 2017 13: 22
    +3
    every time you mix up the anthem, sing "Get up a huge country ..." And, in general, it would be nice to make this song a hymn
  29. Freeman
    Freeman 21 August 2017 13: 23
    +3
    Quote: zak167
    For such athletes, the words Motherland and patriotism have long been meaningless. Everything in the world is on sale, and they are no exception. It is interesting how they will tell their children that they once betrayed their Country for the sake of their ambitions. For it is not to be called otherwise. When an athlete refuses everything that is connected with Russia (symbolism, anthem, etc.), moreover, consciously, and then happily returns to this country, it cannot be called a betrayal.

    Strongly disagree.
    Our athletes did not betray their country by going to competitions. Russia did not declare a boycott.
    They did not say - "they say we do not care, we need to earn money."
    Yes, "foreign officials from the sport" forbade them to show the state symbols of Russia.
    But everyone, including these "international sports functionaries", was well aware of who these athletes represent.
    IAAF mistakenly added a team of neutral athletes to the World Cup medal table and deleted it
    Russian athletes at the World Championships in London were the only athletes to compete under the neutral flag, since the IAAF has not yet reinstated membership in the All-Russian Athletics Federation. Of the 19 Russian athletes participating in the tournament, six athletes won medals (one gold and five silver medals), which allowed the team of Authorized Neutral Athletes (ANA) to be on the ninth line of the medal standings.
    http://tass.ru/sport/4486049

    The DRG, leaving behind enemy lines on a mission, leaves documents, awards and often a military uniform on its territory. But, as a rule, the “opponent” understands - the fighters of which country oppose him.
    And in this particular case, the faces of our WINNERS best demonstrate OUR COAT OF ARMS, ANTHEM and FLAG.

    In the photo: Maria Lasickies.
  30. 97110
    97110 21 August 2017 13: 37
    +2
    I agree with everything with the Author. Until I remember that
    In a historical context it is very reminiscent of action
    25 years ago. There were also people who believed that they were the Soviet people. And stood under the flag of the ROA. To all the SOVIET PEOPLE! Well, not everyone. Only caught on ... February 1992 in the RSFSR (?). Here the rules of law went, their sons of lawyers came up with for their own success in life. And these, the neutrals, will cheat some money, buy cool cars and will be like examples shown to us by the MIs, to make life with anyone. And we will continue to stop inadvertently heart, passing GIB2Deshnikov. Suddenly Mara got them, and they want to take their soul away ...
  31. Uma palata
    Uma palata 21 August 2017 13: 40
    +2
    The ANA team took the honorable 9th place. What, lope of pieces of silver was cut down, huh?
    Traitors to the motherland.
    The court must recover from them the costs of training, which came from the budget.
    1. Freeman
      Freeman 21 August 2017 19: 02
      +4
      Quote: Uma Palata
      The ANA team took the honorable 9th place. What, lope of pieces of silver was cut down, huh?
      Traitors to the motherland.
      The court must recover from them the costs of training, which came from the budget.

      The last time Russia performed under its flag at the 2015 World Cup.
      62 athletes won 4 medals and took 9th place in the team event.
      Our PARTIZANS, and did not appear for 19 people, won 6 medals and also 9th place.
      Their country sent to the competition, no one drove arbitrarily.
  32. aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 21 August 2017 14: 47
    +7
    I would like to express my opinion about what is practically not reflected in this wonderful article. Namely: the situation in the sport of high achievements resembles the situation with the foreign policy of Russia, which is given great influence. But there is also mass physical culture of the Russian people. Which of course is given attention, but in my opinion is insufficient. As well as the Economy. With a flourishing, self-sufficient economy, it would be easier to respond to external challenges, and with a mass developed physical culture, the People would have more material in the sport of high achievements. I have not watched football for a long time, since Jaromir Jagr began to play for Omsk Vanguard. I do not understand this. I don’t understand when a foreign coach is paid more than the sports budget of any city. I don’t understand Beer advertising in commercial breaks, how can this be allowed? Physical Culture (culture is a system of internal restrictions) implies a culture of nutrition, abstinence from alcohol. Does any of the Ministries bother with this? Does anyone know that Baltika beer is an American company? that this beer is made from their concentrates !! and the main profit goes there! Prohibit imported beer concentrates in response to McLaren !!! Here is the answer
  33. Reklastik
    Reklastik 21 August 2017 15: 10
    0
    And this article is in the "Analytics" section ??? What kind of analysis is this, analysis of what ???? What kind of question: "Dear readers, do you think it's time to answer?" And what does the author himself think? Not too obvious things to ask? Or is it just rhetoric exercises?
    1. goblin xnumx
      goblin xnumx 23 August 2017 17: 23
      0
      such analytics now went and analyzers with small analyzes ...
  34. iouris
    iouris 21 August 2017 15: 33
    +4
    Citizens of the Russian Federation are not related to professional sports. If the state invests taxpayer money in the medal business, then there are specific officials who are directly responsible for the result, and their superiors. If a professional athlete received state funding, then he has obligations. If not received, then he has no obligations and is not obliged to obey officials from the sport. It is possible to condemn morally, to punish with contempt (deservedly), but this requires foundations and moral law.
    "Majors", worried about the problems of "legal proceedings" in the Russian Federation, living abroad, or staging races on the streets of Moscow (not New York), force the taxpayer to dry out daily. So what?
  35. Dmitry Fedorov
    Dmitry Fedorov 21 August 2017 16: 20
    +3
    It was necessary to speak. And for athletes too. In the USSR, of course, they wouldn’t participate and would simply FORBID athletes to perform. And you need to constantly be in sight. And constantly remind yourself.
    You can’t get rid of us with spits.
  36. Altona
    Altona 21 August 2017 16: 22
    +2
    Quote: cast iron
    It amazes me how an adult man (whether he is an athlete or not) walks in deliberately hot places intended for degenerates, drug addicts and prostitutes.

    It will not surprise me at all that the national leader who killed the Russian powerlifter will be put on probation for a couple of years. Our nationalities are loved and respected. Vote for EdRo and the capitalists further - the only way we win)))

    -----------------------------------
    What does EdRo and the nationals? It was about sports ethics. And you, with your exuberant post, have proved my thesis that an athlete is now like an animal, if he walks through hot places. One came just to relax and sit, by the way the former athlete, the second, as you determined the national leader, came to prove his superiority, having achieved nothing in the official ring. And since the national man owned shock equipment, he killed the opponent in a lying position. I say no sporting ethics, some animal instincts. Well, what will they give him is the matter of our court. So EdRo here you dragged to the spot. It will be later. And before that, we see stupid and bespontovoe behavior.
    1. cast iron
      cast iron 22 August 2017 23: 21
      +1
      Going to a local nightclub (night klopovnik) of a Russian peasant who is 32 years old is generally quite strange. By this age, most men do not go to nightclubs - they already have other interests. There is nothing to talk about the crowds of national minorities in clubs - everything has been clear with them for a long time. Aggressive animals on the walk.
      This whole situation with article 282, which applies exclusively to Russians, is a direct consequence of the bourgeois-capitalist system in the country. This is all over the world where "democrats", "capitalists" and "bourgeois" rule the ball. While you vote for EdRo, crowds of animals speaking a foreign language will be beaten up by crowds of Russians and nothing will happen to them.
  37. 3 Gradient
    3 Gradient 21 August 2017 16: 24
    +2
    Someone called Mr. Mutko a "fat cat" ...
    Cats ... in general .... Interested in ....
    Only by myself ...
    What are we waiting for?
    Mutko busy learning English .... using an escort ....
    Seductive teachers ...
    What ... athletics ... flags ...
  38. Altona
    Altona 21 August 2017 16: 26
    +3
    Quote: cast iron
    What can I say? Vote further for EdRosov and Vova Putin. They will not fail))))

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    Why repeat this slogan in every comment is not clear?
    1. cast iron
      cast iron 22 August 2017 23: 23
      +1
      To ensure that people think a little about being. I am leading the class struggle on these internet of yours absolutely enthusiastic.
  39. wild
    wild 21 August 2017 16: 27
    +2
    How to answer that ??? If Mutko collective farm. Which minister is such a sport.
  40. Starik72
    Starik72 21 August 2017 17: 50
    +3
    I will not condemn or praise the athletes, but I will write in such a way that they were prevented from performing under the flag of the USSR and with the anthem of the USSR, because the USSR no longer exists, which means they did not have enough intelligence. And if they had presented claims to the athletes, they would have stated that a state with such symbols does not exist. I do not know how I would react to this international rabble, but they did not forbid performing under the symbols of the USSR, and this would be a reminder of Russia. So athletes have no conscience, pride and courage!
    1. cast iron
      cast iron 22 August 2017 23: 24
      +1
      What are you doing? We are 25 years old in schools and universities hammered that the USSR is worse than Nazi Germany. The results are obvious.
    2. goblin xnumx
      goblin xnumx 23 August 2017 17: 27
      0
      if they had done so (about the flag and symbols of the USSR) they would have been officially recognized as traitors at the very top - and as athletes they would have ceased to exist ...- reminders of the USSR above are more afraid of spitting
  41. myobius59
    myobius59 21 August 2017 18: 21
    +5
    Guys, don’t swear here. Spit on these spiritsmen. I stopped looking at these canine footballers, and other reckless athletes, and began to feel much better. Remember, in “Three in a boat, not counting a dog” there is such an episode .. “I studied German at the university, but since then I have forgotten everything, and I feel much better.” Only this book needs to be read, not that moronic movie watch what ours took off.
    Well, I'm a little distracted. Now is the time that most of our athletes, deputies, ministers and other multi-earning, or rather multi-earning, do not care deeply about the prestige of the country. So why should we look at all this comedy and worry? I just spat, and not I look, I am not interested, and I don’t worry. But I regularly do morning exercises, and to the best of my ability I go in for sports. AND FEELING MUCH BETTER
    Ugh, on them.
    1. Boris Chernikov
      Boris Chernikov 21 August 2017 20: 43
      +3
      Well, yes, just don’t confuse the unfinished football players and athletes, that girl in the photo, Maria Lasitskene won 26 world competitions in a row, and what? order everything to spit for the approval of a couple of dozens of those who forget it in a month? so get the punishment of sports officials who have committed such a doping scandal
  42. seacap
    seacap 21 August 2017 18: 26
    +2
    We have never suffered such cynical humiliation before. It was strange to see the joyful faces of our ghoul officials from sports when they told us in a few interviews how cool everything was, why it wasn’t covered, how did they persuade and threaten the athletes not to sue? It is incomprehensible stubborn, contrary to common sense, protection and a reverent attitude to their well-being of ministers-loafers, mediocrity, bordering on direct betrayal and sabotage (not only from sports). Where influence and work with the decisive voice of a great sports power in the Olympic Committee, why anyone who decides who is allowed and who is not without us? Why is this WADA still comfortable and still not standing on the street and in transitions with outstretched hands? Because these bureaucrats from sports found a feeding trough (by the way, the tax-free law canceled the trade in cigarettes and water sportsmen?). which are panicky afraid to lose and stay out of work, because they can do nothing more and are good for nothing, except to make smart faces on meetings and knock down dumb. And athletes are not athletes, they are people with reduced social responsibility, as our owner put it, they are people without honor and conscience, not worth mentioning, they are from the same breed as that couple with whom it started, about 30 pieces of silver were written 2000 years ago. It’s another thing why the bureaucrats who pushed through stupidity or malice destructive reforms that destroyed entire industries for the sake of overseas masters that impede the development of the country, which deprive of hope for a revival, allowed this state of affairs in sports, and most importantly did not create and did not bankrupt all those involved in this vile story, throwing all the courts in millions of lawsuits, do not build roads or cut down forests in Siberia or Kolyma, or at least do not teach at a rural school in Pupyrlovka and continue to eat sweetly and sleep softly in their apartments and mansions, suck from the feeder at the expense of the people.
  43. Alex ros
    Alex ros 21 August 2017 18: 33
    +5
    I agree with the author entirely and completely, and I would also like to make my proposal: next year we will host the World Cup, so why not ban the impudent people to fly under their own flag?
  44. RUSmen
    RUSmen 21 August 2017 18: 58
    0
    These "neutrals" were allowed because use their "medicine", and not because of their consent to put on muzzles and not sing the anthem of Russia.
  45. 1536
    1536 21 August 2017 19: 03
    +1
    Some of our officials have beguiled the country. One must live with such surnames .... No, they didn’t guess. In Great Britain. And do not stop betraying the interests of the people by caring for these people. From this commercialized "sport" just stinks. This is no longer a sport, but some kind of performances by resellers. And for many, it has become just a feeding trough. They don’t give a damn about the audience. There is no pride. If only they took pseudonyms for themselves, like wrestlers in a circus from the time of Poddubny.
  46. 1536
    1536 21 August 2017 19: 04
    +1
    Quote: Alex Ros
    I agree with the author entirely and completely, and I would also like to make my proposal: next year we will host the World Cup, so why not ban the impudent people to fly under their own flag?

    Something tells me that it won’t reach the World Cup. And if you reach, then the British would have to get on the field, and not by prohibitions. But, alas, there is no one, because commerce here has destroyed everything in our country. But one must think that "there will be a holiday on our street."
  47. RS1952
    RS1952 21 August 2017 19: 33
    +1
    Seriously said about patriotism. Only all this is determined by education.
    Now tell me, is conscience for sale? They give money for the ego?
    If you say no, then how do you explain the presence of a “CONSCIENCE” bank card ???
    Is that the "Trivia"? Doesn’t it all start with so little? Is this not an opportunity to estimate the cost? Those who believed "My hut from the edge" fought in the ROA ...
  48. Radikal
    Radikal 21 August 2017 19: 43
    +1
    Quote: vladimirZ
    Fighting without a flag is no longer a battle. If the ship lowered the flag, then it surrendered. Who needs these “neutrals”, in addition to participants and specialists? Yes, no one. - from article

    I agree with the author. Performance of athletes “without a flag” and state attributes is a betrayal.
    There is no permission to represent the state - you need to ignore these competitions, no matter how important they are, even though the Olympic Games.
    No need to put in the forefront of "interests" of athletes, "the years spent in preparing for these competitions." International sport is politics, and above all politics, where a particular state demonstrates its flag and its capabilities, its power, if you like. And here the interests of one or several individuals must cede, be suppressed by the more important interests of the country where they live.

    good
  49. Freeman
    Freeman 21 August 2017 19: 44
    +1
    vladimirZ Today, 08:03
    There is no permission to represent the state - you need to ignore these competitions, no matter how important they are, even though the Olympic Games.

    The state cannot afford to stand in the pose of an offended pimple teenager - "Girls do not like me - I will masturbate in the corner."
    Isolation, let alone self-isolation, is not brought to good.
    Peter I "chopped the Window into Europe" is not from a good life - "The door was boarded up."
    1. Boris Chernikov
      Boris Chernikov 21 August 2017 20: 38
      +1
      namely, they want isolation. If anything, the Iron Curtain was invented by the West, not the USSR, which binary students believe now
  50. BORIS YAGUDIN
    BORIS YAGUDIN 21 August 2017 19: 46
    +2
    Purgamet, athletes gave half their lives to compete ... You’re writing all kinds of blizzards to put money in your pocket, you are making money on this dirty political blockade ... That's where the shame is !!!!